Lightsabers are fucking stupid. If in reality you had an extremely

Space shotguns

>it's an autistic persons take on a movie thread

>>80239680
also they swing them around in the movies like they have weight when in reality you could just throw rapid fire thrusts at extremely high speed because you dont have to worry about actually putting any force behind your blows. This is also why keeping your distance and using a european dualing stance would be best, because a rapier/estoc is all about being light and quick on the thrust

>>80239680
some of the original art from the time had conical lightsabers shaped more like fencing swords.

but they were likely done before the artists even saw the finished movie.

>>80239680
Holy shit you're right. Star Wars is so unrealistic.

>>80239680
You know whats stupid? The fact they can still see with those giant flashlights blasting into their eyes.

>>80239680
>If in reality you had an extremely light-weight sword that could penetrate any surface with ease

I would want a whip or hell, put it on the end of a pole like a spear. It does seem like there's a lack of imagination and willingness to branch out from the original concept. Some kind of polearm or non-sword weapon would be neat but I'm just some guy.

>>80239761
this, in rebels the sabers are thinner

Are we Star Trek now?

>>80239769
>just turn off your brain LMAO

>>80239808
If there was an extended pole arm it would be incredibly easy to cut through.

>>80239680
The lightsabers are also used to deflect blaster fire.

Also, they slash to be able to disarm (literally) their opponents.

>>80239680
>extremely light-weight sword

it's not. (fuck kotor. it's not canon)

>could penetrate any surface with ease
are you sure about that?

>why is george lucas such a retarded weeb?
you are absolutely right.

>>80239769
I never really thought about that. Imagine a low light scenario or pitch black. Would either blind you or make the surrounding area impossible to see.

How many more years until we get light saber nunchucks? You would have to be so good to not accidentally kill yourself.

>>80239680
All swordfighting is properly thrusting. Any idiot who rears back for a slash is instantly stabbed game over.

And the longer the better at that. Long 2-handers were the state of the art on the battlefield just as guns came into the picture.

When your games have such a character rear back to whomp on someone, that's pig ignorance of game designers.

The lightsaber bounces off Vader's armour and a metal railing during the last fight. I don't think they were supposed to go through everything until the prequels.

>>80239808
>mount lightsaber at the end of a spear
>foe parries your attack and cuts spear shaft with traditional light saber

Minimizing the amount of exposure of vulnerable (i.e. non light-beam) weapon to the enemy is optimal.

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>>80239680
I thought they were a ceremonial weapon chosen by Jedi to duel each other in the classic, ceremonial fighting style of heavy steal blades?

>>80239911
ok but a defensive stance from range is pretty irrelevant compared to a melee fight and you should switch on the fly for each situation. That being said it would be even easier to disarm someone with a thrust, all you have to do is get a good thrust on their hand and you'll instantly vaporize their fingers leaving them unable to hold their weapon, the entire point of a slash is to put power behind your blow, but again this isn't necessary when you're talking about a laser sword because force is unnecessary.

Likewise you'll close the distance faster with a thrust than you will with a slash, it's a simple matter of range. A one-handed thrust has about twice the range of a two-handed slash, this is the entire philosophy behind fencing.

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>>80239987
You don't stab with a heavy as fuck two handed blunt edged broadsword

You swing that fucker like your momma was swinging off my dick last night

The only poking that is going on around here is between me and your mother

>>80239989
No, they were supposed to cut everything. That bounce was a mistake, same as the guy hitting his head or half a dozen other production inconsistencies that nobody bothered to correct.

Only the anal retentive look at such things and think they must be explained away in-world. Don't wreck a good story because of a tiny goof.


By the way, they still go through everything that isn't another saber or a force field (desu they should even go through that) or some stupid electrical lightning-covered baton. Jengo died like a bitch because his armor was shit compared to a lightsaber.

inb4 wah wah it went through his neck gasket and not actually the armor my mandalorian armor from books not that too!

>>80239680
>If in reality you had an extremely light-weight sword
originally they weren't for some reason.
Lucas said they were heavy

>>80239808
whips are retarded and wouldn't work, and they made them for EU

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>>80239680
>why is george lucas such a retarded weeb?

>>80240118
Either way it's still a poking weapon.

TFA got it much more accurately as many of the attacks were stabbing (and actual kill attempts at that rather than whirling dervish shit.)

Good riddance Lucas.

Good riddance asinine game influence.

>>80240091
wow you might be retarded. The traditional longsword stance immediately threatens a thrust, that's the whole point of its length. You thrust, force your opponent to close the distance, and then kill them in the sweat spot where they're still trying to close the distance but you're at a perfect range to strike before they can. Thrusting has always been more important than slashing on a European battlefield, you watch too many Japanese samurai flicks

>>80239893
>>80240022

Only if the blade of the polearm is shorter than the traditional light saber. The thing is supposedly extremely light anyway so why not attach a full fledged lightsaber on the end of the pole so you get better leverage and range? I'd rather the "vulnerable" part of my weapon be a pole than my arms/hands in the case of a traditional light saber.

Why don't Jedis just snap each other's necks using the Force?

>>80239987
One would need to swing with great force against a heavily armored opponent, where the concussive force of the blow is the only way of damaging the opponent.

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>TWF you wanted Jedi to be actual knights instead of weird ascetic eastern monks

>>80240240
I assume using the force drains your mana like crazy

>>80239680
Katana style fighting was mostly about moving your body in a way to avoid the enemy and slash at them for a one shot kill, which fits lightsaber battles because a light saber is probably going to kill on the first succesful hit.
Parrying not really necessary because Jedi are force sensitive and can essentially see the future.

Also to deflect blaster fire.

A fight between two force users is a mental battle essnetially. With both parties having a degree of precognition the best fighting style would utilize a bunch of different techniques in quick succession. The fighting styles in the prequels show this. In the OT, the fights are even more so in their heads so are more slow paced, with the exception of Luke tapping into the dark side.

>>80240273
Absolutely not true. You shoot for the joints and play keepaway with jabs.

These swords will puncture anything they snag on. Armor is not that thick.

>>80240273
or you know, you wrestle, throw your opponent to the ground and thrust into a weak spot, aka the standard strategy for hundreds of years against plate armor. Even a strong slash from a sword won't penetrate armor, you're just wasting your time and leaving yourself open to a proper thrust

Swords have always been more about thrusting than slashing, the katana, nodachi, etc are an exception to that general rule.

>>80240301

Same

>>80240052
What if someone slashes at your thrust, then they will transfer power from their arms into your weapon and hitting it out of the way.

>>80240228
>I'd rather the "vulnerable" part of my weapon be a pole than my arms/hands in the case of a traditional light saber

Why? It's game over either way.

A traditional lightsaber allows for more control. A polearm-mounted lightsaber would be unwieldy.

Why do lightsabers stop after a certain point?

Why not just use the force to turn them off?

Why not use guns that shoot bullets so instead of being reflected back they just melt in the lightsaber or even go right through and become liquid metal all over the Jedis face?

>>80240313
precog was a shitty rational of force use as to what's going on.

tapping into the force flowing through all living things to guide your moves is much sexier.

There's no fucking way movements that fast could be processed a second or two ahead of time, e.g. deflecting laser blasts.

It's an asinine idea, fire the writer who thought it up.

>>80240383
why not make a 20 foot long lightsabre?

>>80240407
Why not have big robots and defensive machines that just use giant saber bars to block or run into incoming troops?

>>80240383
The magnetic field from the great electric energy within the beam would deflect the metal bullets.

>>80239680

the first duel shown between obi and darth in a new hope has more of a fencing style with repostes, parrys, and lunges

>>80240378

I do not see how. You get greater range of movement with less effort due to the effective length of the weapon. If anyone tries to side step or run around it'd take much less maneuvering of the polearm to reach them.

>>80240402
The force is nothing more than the combined wills of little microbes that live inside you.

>>80240407
why isn't there a light-shield?

>>80240371
you watch too many movies. You don't attack a man's weapon, you watch his footwork and attack HIM, not the weapon. A parry with a slashing sword isn't the end for the thrusting party, you still have opportunities to keep your distance, such as stepping back. Suddenly the distance is there again and he has to close the distance again and hope to get another parry. Point is, it's much easier to step back and avoid the rush than it is to be the rusher and break through. Statistically the guy keeping his distance and thrusting is going to win out most of the time, if you ever watched fencing with a spear vs a sword, you'll notice the sword constantly tries to close the distance but the spear can easily just back up and regain his distance, usually leading to hits on the sword guy while he desperately tries to close the distance.

Range is everything man, this isn't the movies these are people with a fight or flight instinct, nobody would intentionally go for moves that constantly put themselves at a disadvantage, that's why people generally would rather be the guy thrusting than the guy trying to close the distance because the former is easier and more likely to bring success.

So obi wan bitches about the gun being barbaric, but doesnt hacking off limbs with a laser sword seem like it would be even more so?

>>80240493
Yeah, they could make small movements, but the polearm is limited in the direction in which it could move. A traditional lightsaber could be pointed in pretty much any axis.

>>80240493

polearm = fighting in open space

jedi go everywhere and need some versatile, don't want to fight in a corridor and can't use a polearm cause it's too long, light sabers can cut though anything but not instantly, it takes time like that scene in phantom menace where qi gon stuck his saber through the doors and it takes forever to melt through

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>>80240515

>>80239680
fencing looks kinda dumb

>>80240104
>>80240104

it does go through everything but not intantly
takes time to melt through solid steel or whatever metal they use to protect the bridges

why do stormtroopers wear armor when it doesn't do fucking anything

>>80239680
Starwars is about style, not substance, anon.

>>80240698
>>80240716

That is if they get within your guard which is going to be extremely hard seeing as how they must get past a lethal range just to even have a chance of getting a killing blow on you. Polearms would still be used more for thrusting in that situation and unless the other user is much more skillful than you, the lightsaber user would simply be outmatched. It is the same issue a regular sword user really cannot hope to beat a spear or lance since they would have to purposely put themselves within the killzone of the other weapon before they have a chance to attack.

>>80240822
Why do the robots have terrible aim when they should have the equivalent of a mental century to line each of a dozen shots a second?

Why are any gungans still alive?

>>80240822
maybe it's for environmental protection so they can be deployed virtually anywhere.

katanas were trash tier swords anyway.

they are basically nintendo consoles. conservative to a faul and two generations behind the competition.

>>80240888
But in TFA they were planning on gassing the Stormtroopers they thought were boarding them.

>>80240527
But a jedi might be able to sense a thrust coming beforehand and parry and then step in and slash in a quick 1-2 motion before the other guy has the time to move back.
A slash would also almost always be lethal whereas a stab could be surviveable.

>>80240023
In the OT they basically were. Luke used his blaster against normies and Vader could just choke the shit outta niggas.

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Did any of you retards actually watch the movie?

First of all, the blade from the lightsaber DOES have mass, since when two blades collide, it creates resistance.

Also, the lightsaber is NOT a good weapon unless it is used by a jedi, and ONLY a jedi has the training required to use it effectively. What does that mean? That the training takes in to account fighting with guys with super agility that can jump dozens of meters without breaking a sweat, so trying to poke him like in a fencing fight might not be the best tactic.

Moreover, it is explicit stated in the movie that the jedi do NOT rely on vision to fight, but in feeling the force, so it doesn't matter if the light from the blade would hurt their vision.

>>80240872
>>80240872

you're only thinking about the dueling/fighting 1vs1 part, you forget that they use the swords to deflect blasters, they do that more then fight 1vs1 with anybody why? because jedis aren't each other's enemies and there's only 2 siths in the whole universe

you can argue why they sith doesn't use polearms to get an advantage vs jedi but like i said

deflecting laser blasts to stay alive is better then using a polearm for reach advantage

>>80240994
It's a two-way street, so you're back to the beginning with thrusting and length of sword again.

>>80240353
>or, you know, just
>>>/reddit/

>>80239893
Not if you made it out of cortosis or whatever the swords in KOTOR or the "traitor" guy's weapon was.

>>80240872
A regular sword user cannot beat a spear because the regular sword user cannot effectively attack the pole itself. Assuming that a traditional lightsaber could easily cut the pole, there is no real effective range increase.

Also, a person wielding two lightsabers would beat a polearm weapon hands down. Parry the polearm with one saber and cut it with the other.

I don't know anything about swordfighting but lightsabers are not weightless

If the light sabers had no mass they would just phase through each other right?

>>80241022
No normie could shoot past a saber, which could occasionally flip the blaster shot right back at the shooter.

Perforce the saber-wielders could hose anybody they came across easily, except other saber-wielders. Jengo Fett probably should have been ended by that padaway jedi but you know, he's the archetype for assassin/bounty hunter, so he needs a jedi master to effortlessly hose him, for story reasons.

>>80239680
You're fucking stupid.

>>80240888
>environmental protection
>helmet pops right off

>>80241034
>Moreover, it is explicit stated in the movie that the jedi do NOT rely on vision to fight, but in feeling the force, so it doesn't matter if the light from the blade would hurt their vision.

Oh come on now. Next thing you're gonna claim the very first training a jedi gets is putting on a blindfold to try to deflect laser blasts!

>>80240994
You still dont get it. Parrying the thrust isn't the end of the game, at that point you've merely started the game, the game you weren't even a part of until you took a risk. Meanwhile the thrusting guy is in the game before you are, and by default he has a chance to kill you before the game starts. Once the game starts for the rusher, he's got to close the distance, but here's the kicker: he will fail to close the distance 9/10 times. This means the thruster steps back, or side steps, or even throws the opposite end into your face while you're parrying the original pointy end.

Literally go watch a spear vs sword fencing match right now. The sword closes the distance CONSTANTLY but almost every single time the spear gets out of it scott free. Closing the distance with a parry is not a guaranteed win, you're still likely gonna lose you've just made it merely possible to win

>>80241120

The lightsaber user would still need to get past the range of the lightpole if the pole has a lightsaber blade of the same length which is going to be exceedingly difficult to do. Cutting the metal part of the pole is akin to cutting the arm of a regular lightsaber user, but now with greatly increased ranged of movement and less effort by the pole user.

>>80241120
A spear would have an advantage over a shorter sword, but a jabbed spear could be lifted away with the hand and then a poke with your sword inside the spearman's range.

This is where the long sharp blade of a longsword, or better yet, even longer 2-hander comes into its own, as you risk cutting the hell out of yourself, your hand, your side, your arm, by sliding along the blade even if you have armor on.

>>80240822
To get a PG rating. You can show them dieing somewhat realistically without blood, holes in body, etc

>>80241310
How about a cauterized, severed arm that's kinda sorta bloody still?

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why could they stick the lightsaber facing outwards on the end of a pole and have it spin round real fast

>>80239804
They do not need their eyes.
The Force guides a Jedi's hand.

>>80241240
But Jedi can supposedly see into the future for half a second or something, so they would sense the thrust coming and initiate the parry and slash motion before the thrust could reach them, leaving the thruster defenseless.

If someone slashed at them they would have to block the lightsaber full force or move out of the way, leaving no room for counter-attack, even if they could see it coming beforehand.

>>80239857
That is to save money on animation. They also look terrible.

>>80240551
As Han proves, you can use the gun dishonestly, the sword probably carries its own code not to be used for wanton slaughter, but for honorable duels (a rule the Sith and Knights of Ren evidently do not follow)

>>80241235
As seen in AOTC, that comes very early in training, yes.

Why hasnt lightsaber tech been advanced, and added to other things?

Why doesnt everyone carry a lightsaber, or a small lightsaber pocket knife for utlility work.

Why doesnt the industrial sector use massive lightsabers for cutting steel?

>>80241937
they use magic force crystals or some shit.

>>80239946
Just adjust the brightness.

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>>80240527

>>80239759
>they swing them around in the movies like they have weight
Not necessarily.

>>80239893
>>80240022
OK what about just a really really long light blade