/who/ - Doctor Who General

As people have been saying, it's obvious Capaldi's last episode is going to feature the Library, le capaldi dies to bring back River Song.

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http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Cyberman_%28Mondas%29
>The Cybermen, also referred to as Cybrmn when they released a computer virus which destroyed all vowels,

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The Doctor: It's the end, but the moment has been prepared for.

Bill: So he was The Doctor all the time!

>>80237024
kek
>he hasn't read Vrs

Reminder Weeping Angels are in episode 6 written by Moffat. They attack the Catholic Church, Missy gets sent back in time by them. The Weeping Angels are Male in this ep.

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>>80237002
>people

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ALL ABOARD

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Trying to not abandon you /who/

>>80237137
No Dalek in this hype train? Do we really hate them?

>>80237137
Nice one!

THERE BETTER BE A PROPER FUCKING ARC THIS FUCKING SERIES! I WANT A BIG BAD VILLAIN! I DON'T WANT ANYMORE ''LE HYBRID'' CANCEROUS SHITE!!

>>80237209
Thank you based schlemmy

>>80237266
Fuck arcs.

>>80237137
Can we slip an Orford in there somewhere

>>80237209
>Let's stick to classic Who - as I often say to my wife, Sue, when we settle down for an evening's telly (she has excellent aim when throwing things).
Is Moffat literally Neil Perryman?

>>80237469
Everyone who's a real fan has a wife named Sue.

>>80237429
Fuck arse.

>>80237596
Rude.

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>>80237596

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>>80237816
Why? Nothing wrong with fucking some arse.

>>80237816
GLORIOUS!

>>80237071
Is it any good? Can you give me the whole enchilada?

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>>80237942
>Can you give me the whole enchilada?
>enchilada

>>80237942
It's just a gag by Lawrence Miles included in a short story compilation.
>nd n th yr tw thsnd, th Cybrmn rlsd th cmptr vrs tht dstryd ll th vwls.
Whoever edited that Cyberman article was having a laugh.

>>80238006
Mexican food is SHEEP u fag.

are you guys all americans or something

>>80238093
Irish.

>>80238122
Where in Oireland m80

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>>80238093
I fart a lot, but no

>>80238070
>Whoever edited that Cyberman article was having a laugh.

No, they were an autist. TARDIS Data Core has a page for every mention of toilets ffs.

>>80238156
Stinky Dublin.

>>80238186
Me too. Tis a right stink hole

>>80238093
Only me.

>>80238186
What part of Somalia does your family come from?

>>80238288
Mexican detected

>>80238288
Shoo shoo Pablo

>>80238352
That would be me

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Feels so good to be from Blighty.

>>80238166
Dubs as nice as Peri's

>>80238166
>posts two Sixes
>gets double 6s
Noice.

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ANTI-PLASTIC

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NO NOT THE MIND PROBE

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>>80238515
FAN-TASTIC

>>80237266
I know I'm in a minority, but liked the Doctor/ Clara hybrid arc of series 9.

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The Return of Doctor Mysterio Twelve>Series 8 and 9 Twelve

>>80238264
Dub buds, what part you from? i'm in the Lucan area.

https://youtu.be/3Dm3HHBj6gA

>>80238994
And now this will never be resolved
If class was ever canon it has ceased to be

>>80238880
Down near Dun Laoghaire m80

>>80238994
not canon

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>mfw i understood heaven sent on first viewing

>there's a character named Cardinal Angelo in Episode 6

Angels confirmed.

>>80239201
Not trying to be a dick, but Heaven Sent wasn't even complicated. The Big Bang or series 6A might've taken more than one watch, but Series 9 didn't.

>>80238717
It was better than Missy stalking the doctor and clara for no reason.

>>80239280
She put them together. There was a reason.

>>80239271
>the big bang
>complicated
go to bed moffat

>>80239342
a retarded one

>>80236951
First episode of DW I watched. Just happened to be on when switched on TV that evening. Been hooked since.

Superb 2 parter.

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I can't wait to see what they have got in store for The Doctor, Bill and The Watcher!

If more people knew what the word "convoluted" meant and had used it to criticise Doctor Who instead of calling it "too complicated", like people have been doing since circa 2011, then maybe Moffat wouldn't have been so dismissive of criticism and would have put more effort into writing more logical and satisfying stories.

I swear to God if the first ep of S10 starts and the titles are out of sync imma be so angry

>>80240076
haven't seen this meme in awhile. nice.

>>80237266
>THERE BETTER BE A PROPER FUCKING ARC THIS FUCKING SERIES
The biggest problem with the Moffat era is his need to create a "proper arc" every year in a show whose structure makes them difficult to do without distorting and limiting the stories.

If you have a large cast stuck on an island or a space station or a similarly-named but different space station, and a war starts around your space station, the rest of the season has to be about that war.

If you have a cast of two or three traveling through time and space, and a war starts in 17th century England, next week you're on a 30th century alien colony so who cares?

>>80240291
Just because Moffat's shit at arcs doesn't mean they can't work. RTD was at least decent at them.

>>80240349
Yeah but RTD was a much better writer

>>80238880
>>80239094
Ah lads I'm from Dublin too!

Dublin 7, Navan Road area

>>80239869
But it just means "too complicated."

>>80240349
>rtd
>arcs

Having a word appear in every episode is barely an arc tbqh

>>80240349
No, RTD did things that weren't arcs and called them arcs anyway. The word "Bad Wolf" appearing all over the place is not an arc. It has no effect on any of the stories, it only effects one scene in the finale. And even in that scene, it's just a silly technobabble explanation that could easily be replaced by a different one with no effect.

Forcing the "bad wolf" meme on the viewing audience to keep them exciting is clever marketing, but it has nothing to do with the writing.

>>80240461
>>80240468
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE FUCKING ARCS WERE END THIS MEME REEEE. THE RTD ERA HAD ACTUAL CHARACTER AND STORY ARCS.

>>80240494
go to bed steven

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>>80240494

>>80240494
Story arcs are when there's an overarching season-long plot, something people expect from SF shows because of Babylon 5.

Character arcs are the result of decent writers handling characters naturally dealing with the events that happen to them, and are something that happen in any show that isn't a reset-every-week sitcom.

They are not the same thing.

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>>80240349
2005 - 2010. The true golden age. Then Moffat took over and Russell grew a mustache and it all went horribly wrong.

>>80240656
>Russell grew a mustache
Hey, that mustache wrote Wizards vs. Aliens. You got a problem with that?

bring back based russell
not a single bad episode during his run
a couple of meh ones sure but nothing shitty like moffat era

>>80240715
Low quality bait there mate.

>>80240741
>le love and monsters was shit meme

>>80240741
name a "shit" episode then and I can name 10 more moffat ones
face it.

RTD>>>>Moffat

>>80240425
Wew lad, 3 Irish anons in /who/ based.

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GARETH ROBERTS REDEEMED

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>>80240701
>Wizards vs. Aliens

We all know who the real genius behind that was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72J8MZ7gRZI

Wow. Just wow. Flick through this episode of Death in Paradise.

Kris Marshall just IS The Doctor.

Those eyes, the gestures, the way he carries himself, the way he is around people.

13 is going to be GOAT.

>>80240803
4 if you count Northern Ireland.

>>80240825
Love that RTD thought Planet of the Dead was Gareth's best work.

(Although, to be fair, maybe it was before RTD demanded three rewrites because he needs more Chelonians and then changed the whole thing around himself to remove the Chelonians the day before shooting…)

>>80240854
Norn Iron best Iron

>>80240854
Alright lads, there's 4 of us, time to meme Kris Marshall into adopting an Irish accent so we finally get the Irish Doctor.

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>>80240825
>Ever doubting the eternal wisdom of Gareth

>>80240902
It is has to be an incomprehensible rural accent though.

>>80240902
>tfw when the first Irish Doctor has a 1960s BBC fake Oirish accent

>>80240902
>Kris Marshall in an Irish accent

Not just memeing Aidan Gillan straight in

>>80241018
How many accents did he have as Littlefinger? 10?

So what's this about 12 supposedly keeping something in Bill's university? Weeping Angel? Mondasian Cyberman? The Hydroflax body? Bullshit?

Reminder that Missy regenerates into a young early 30s male in Series 10.

>>80240607
>Story arcs are when there's an overarching season-long plot
And the RTD era had that. It's not like every episode is "This Season's Plot: Part X" but you can describe the plot of each series beyond the just listing off the separate adventures, something you couldn't really do for most seasons of Classic Who, especially in series 1 where almost every episode ties directly into the finale.

>>80241115
He's keeping Kris Marshall locked up in the university basement.

The Hybrid arc was fucking shit.
It was literally Moffat going
>Ok so we need a story arc this year
>But what?
>'Hybrid' sounds cool
>But what does it mean?
>I dunno, I'll figure it out later

Literally made up as he went along.

>>80241189
was ashildr the hybrid? I forget

>>80241189
No, it's worse than that.

Moffat said we don't need a story arc for S9.

Then Moffat loved the script for The Girl Who Lived so much that he decided Ashildr has to be The Woman Who Lived and stick around for the rest of the season, and rewrote half the remaining episodes to cram her in, forcing an arc out of her.

>>80241115
His rape dungeon.

>>80241180
Also this.

>>80241189
>>80241231
>source: your asses

>>80241078
master of disguise, he can adapt to any time period or place

>>80241231
The Girl Who Died / The Woman Who Lived was perhaps the shittest pair of episodes since Series 7.

Absolute garbage.

>>80241221
It was the Doctor and Claras relationship I think

>>80241221
Possibilities:
1) Actual not yet seen Dalek/Time Lord hybrid
2) Ashildr
3) Osgood Zygon
4) The secretly half human Doctor
5) Clara/Doctor metaphorically

I think they went with the last one. Fuck knows how that was an ancient Gallifreyan prophecy though.

>>80241231
>forcing an arc out of her
sounds painful

>>80236951
I remember watching this episode years ago and being completely transfixed like it was a day long adventure. Now watching shows is rarely ever anything more than just background noise for me and seasons are over in an instant.

>>80241285
the girl who died was good though
woman who lived was the shit one

>>80241133
How does every episode of series 1 tie directly into the finale? The Long Game is the only one that does. The Slitheen didn't have anything to do with the finale, or the Gelth, or the future end of planet Earth, or any of the other plots.

Meanwhile, Classic Who did arcs occasionally. And everyone agrees that The Key to Time was Four's best season, and Trial of a Time Lord the best season ever, right? Oh, no, wait, they prefer the seasons where there was no forced arc and we instead get to watch the First Doctor or Jo or Ace develop as characters through a bunch of unconnected adventures, don't they. I wonder if there's a message there?

>Story arcs
>In a press release for normal people

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>>80241339
>the girl who died was good though

>>80241339
Certain elements of it were good. Mainly the Doctors face revelation scene. However the Mire, ''Odin'' and Ashildr and horned viking helmets made it overall an awful episode.

>>80241311
>Fuck knows how that was an ancient Gallifreyan prophecy though.
Clara shards visited every incarnation of the Other, of course.

>>80241374
what was wrong with odin?

>>80241339
>the girl who died was good though
Good, but not so good that it was worth rewriting the entire rest of the season to twist it around that episode.

>>80241368
The Girl Who Died was the episode that, for the first time, made me think that Doctor Who should just fuck off for another 15 years. So that I can bring it back and showrun it.

Thankfully Series 10 looks decent.

>>80241404
>rewriting the entire rest of the season to twist it around that episode.
citation needed

>>80241311
>The secretly half human Doctor
Making the TV movie so bad that casual viewers don't remember it happened and fans try to make themselves forget was a pretty convoluted way to keep that secret, but I guess it worked.

Why was series 8 so bad?
Worst series of nuwho.

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>>80237469
I wonder how often Moffat watched Modern and Classic Who

>>80241423
Well, Moffat hasn't actually told us why he went from "S9 will have no arc" to "S9 has a big glorious arc centered around Ashildr", but it's not that hard to guess, is it?

What if Capaldi does regenerate in the finale but the Christmas special is a 12/13 multi-Doctor episode

>>80241528
>"S9 will have no arc"
citation needed

>>80241525
He used to be able to quote scenes from random episodes of Classic Who (or their Targets) when arguing about them, but then if anyone pointed that out he'd pretend he wasn't that obsessive.

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Will cybermen ever have a good story again?

"Steven Moffat says Doctor Who shouldn't be about huge story arcs: "It's always about the individual story" http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-who/news/a817003/doctor-who-steven-moffat-says-shouldnt-be-about-huge-story-arcs/

KEK

his era has been all about multi-year long fucking endless shitty arcs

>>80241670
Series 10 Episode 11: The Converted
Series 10 Episode 12: Point Two

>>80241341
>How does every episode of series 1 tie directly into the finale? The Long Game is the only one that does.

>first episode introduces the Doctor and Rose
>End of the World introduces the Time War
>Dalek introduces the Daleks
>Rose tells Jackie about how she saw Pete die in Father's Day to change her mind trying to save the Doctor
>Moffat's two-parter introduces Jack

The Slitheen episodes and The Unquiet Dead don't tie into the finale but Harriet Jones and the Cardiff rift do become the basis for plot threads that span multiple seasons and spinoffs.

>Meanwhile, Classic Who did arcs occasionally. And everyone agrees that The Key to Time was Four's best season, and Trial of a Time Lord the best season ever, right? Oh, no, wait, they prefer the seasons where there was no forced arc and we instead get to watch the First Doctor or Jo or Ace develop as characters through a bunch of unconnected adventures, don't they. I wonder if there's a message there?
What's your point dude? I'm not arguing over whether story arcs are an inherently good thing.

>>80241694
Steven Moffat is right. He says that almost every year. Sadly, for some reason, he can never get Steven Moffat to listen to his advice.

>>80241697
Nah, Moffat's played out. Series 10 will be the same lukewarm shite the last 3 series have been. Bring on Chibnall.

>>80241737
You do get the sense that Series 1 felt very planned, even before they started littering "bad wolf" everywhere as a sort of "hey, can you spot the buzzword of the week?" game.

Series 5 also seems quite planned, what with that Byzantium/11/Amy scene which ties into the finale, etc.

>>80241784
>last 3 series
You mean 4.

>>80241697
Nah episode 12 is called Return to Hospital

>>80241697
Fake titles.

The real titles got leaked last week anyway.
>Tragedy Day
>The Highest Science

>>80241737
Star Trek TOS S1:
>The Cage introduces Spock
>Where No Man introduces Kirk, Scotty, and Sulu
>The Man Trap introduces McCoy and Uhura
>The Naked Time introduces Nurse Chapel

Introducing the characters who will be in the last episode is not a story arc. It's something every show has to do.

>>80241863
Which is actually what Moffat's carer, Sue, has been telling him for the last 6 years

>>80241809
S1 was definitely planned out in terms of where the Doctor's and Rose's characters were going, and how to gradually reintroduce elements of classic Doctor Who and the newly-added backstory.

S5, Moffat did the same thing, but he also added an overarching story (the kind of thing he says in the article above shouldn't be done…) about the world ending on Amy and Rory's wedding, tying their character arcs to a story arc.

It actually worked out pretty well in S5, but when he tried the same idea again in S6, he got behind on the writing and the back half didn't come together nearly as well.

David Suchett is the Meddling Monk. Screenshot this.

>>80241901
As far as I remember none of those characters had introductions, they just had first appearances.

>>80241411
That and the Zygon Terrorists.

>>80241737
RTD's era was also very particular in the detail.

Harriet being deposed by 10 led to a void which was soon filled by a certain Mr Saxon. Professor Lazarus' experiment tied into Time Lord/Saxon tech with his funding. 10 waltzing into Torchwood led to Torchwood being created, subsequently prodding a Void Ship to open so the Cult of Skaro could escape and eventually one of those members flew into the Time War and was able to save Davros from death. Whether it was all meticulously planned is debatable, but so many little details in RTD's era feel like jigsaw pieces in a much larger whole.

Moffat's era seems very haphazard and clumsy at times, possibly due to hurried scripts and problems BTS.

>>80242177
Well the bastards have had a year and a half to plan out series 10, so hopefully it has a good arc and is goat. Capaldi deserves it.

>>80242177
I've never noticed that about the RTD era before so I doubt RTD planned it like that

>>80242177
>Moffat's era seems very haphazard and clumsy at times, possibly due to hurried scripts and problems BTS.
Not least the Silence/Silent 'arc' which, when broken up and placed in the right order fails to hold water or stand up to scrutiny

>>80242224
Certain things, he definitely planned. Other things, I think were happy accidents or quiet retroactive additions to the stories.

This is a pretty GOAT video, but RTD sure as hell can't have planned all of this out. It just worked out this way.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVrJT57Rl8Y

>>80241901
Also most of those characters are in most episodes of Star Trek. The reason the last episode of series 1 is a finale is that it's where everything comes together: the Daleks, Jack, Rose's family, Satellite Five. And the characters all have climactic moments in their development that contrast with where they started, hence why their first appearances are relevant.

>>80242218
It will be something metaphorical/shit to do with the Cybermen and emotion, with 12 becoming compassionate over time

They'll link it to Davros' "compassion will kill you" prophecy from S9

>>80242321
A good example is this:

In World War 3, Jackie asks the Doctor if he'll keep Rose safe. If he can guarantee that. And in that story, he can't. Come the finale, however, he deliberately sends her into the TARDIS and sends her home, to safety, finally able to fulfil Jackie's requests. Tiny details but so rewarding. Series 1 is brilliantly crafted.

>>80242218
They also had a whole year to make a great Christmas special to triumphantly bring the show back after a hiatus. Yet what we got was a mediocre superhero story "starring" an actor no-one's heard of (Chatwin), magic wish-granting crystals and Matt Lucas.

>>80242311
That's an awesome vid
Yeah there's no way RTD planned that, not even Moffat could think of a plotline like that

>>80242459
True. So fucking true.

The extended DW break doesn't mean shit. I bet Moffat's still behind schedule with the scripts, like usual, and he'll still be burnt out (admittedly along with the rest of production who just seem to be running on empty and rehashing shit from years gone by)

>>80242321
If you just want to define "story arc" as "any foreshadowing and/or any callbacks that don't suck", then sure, you can call what RTD did in S1 a "story arc", the same way Humpty Dumpty used the word "glory" to mean "a nice knock-down argument".

But that's not the way the term is used by actual writers or critics—or even RTD, who always says the S1 arc is the "Bad Wolf arc words".

>>80242609
A story arc has a start, a middle and an end - all tied together with character, story and thematic developments. Series 1 succeeds on every level, even without "bad wolf" scribbled on every scene.

Have we seen the start of Capaldi's regeneration arc yet?

With 10, the Ood mentioned his song ending in early S4, an with 11 obviously the Trenzalore stuff from S6

>>80242667
His regret over River Song's Death.

>>80242667
"Things end. That's all. Everything ends, and it's always sad. But everything begins again too, and that's always happy. Be happy."

That was definitely written with Capaldi's end in sight / mind - Moffat knew at that point, or it was added in during production when the decision had been made.

>>80242646
No, "story arc" is a term specifically coined to describe the seasons of "Wiseguy", and used to describe shows like Lost and Babylon 5 and comics like Neon Genesis Evangelion, where there's a single continuing story spread across the episodes of an episodic medium. If you just want to call any kind of narrative storytelling a "story arc", then every show that isn't a reset-every-week sitcom has story arcs—hell, even single episodes, individual movies and books, etc. have story arcs. But that makes the term useless.

>>80242667
I don't know but I'm 90% sure that >>80242747 will be in his final scene.

>>80242766
Yeah, the only question is whether it's going to be a flashback, or someone repeating the line (which Moffat likes to do, you clever boy and remember).

>>80242766
It's a shame they've used "I will always remember when the Doctor was me" because it would've been extremely fitting for lifelong superfan, Capaldi.

However, I hope he gets something quite understated. Not every last line/scene has to be winking furiously at the audience prior to the regeneration.

>>80242766
Why would it be his final scene?

>>80242766
But I don't want to be reminded of The Return of Doctor Mysterio when I'm watching Capaldi's regeneration scene.

>>80242766
I suspect, much like Tennant, Capaldi's final scene may be a one-man affair. Bill and Nardole will have left to do their own thing, since I bet Chibnall starts afresh, and Capaldi will either be alone in the TARDIS or wandering past a junkyard or something alone.

"I was a good man. But above all, I was a Doctor".

Screenshot this.

"I love you Clala."

Screenshot this.

>>80242459
>le mysterio was bad meme

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>>80242822
>>80242840
>>80242850
>>80242880
>>80242908
>mfw hit by a sudden storm of (You)s

>>80242938
I think his final line/s will about how he's done good. A tiny bit of Moffat will also shine through.

"I'm over three thousand years old and... yeah, I don't think I did too badly. I think I did good. Onwards."

Man, it's hard to write final lines that don't just sound cheap or cheesy

>>80242972
Not bad. But not good either. Just mediocre and embarrassing.

>>80242908
He'll stumble into a diner and have a convo with Clala, who will cry and take him into the TARDIS, before sitting him down in his arm chair for him to regenerate alone.

She'll set the TARDIS to change the desktop theme too, so he can move on.

>>80242840
>However, I hope he gets something quite understated. Not every last line/scene has to be winking furiously at the audience prior to the regeneration.
No meta, just story:
>Timing malfunction! The Master, he’s out there! He’s out there… I know… I’ve got to stop… him…
Seven regenerating in the middle of a crisis and being more worried about saving the world than his own mortality was one of the better things about the TV movie.

But then there's always these, too:
>Adric?
>Ohh… carrot juice? Carrot juice, carrot juice, carrot juice!

>>80243047
What was embarrassing about it?

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>>80242980
Here, have another

''Things end, but everything also begins again. I tried to be a good man, I tried to be the Doctor as much as I could, whenever I could, and I hope... I hope I brought a little bit of happiness back to universe even if I wasn't happy most of the time with myself''

>>80243072
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhhhhhhh

>>80243080
RARETH
A
R
E

he wont have any final lines
he'll just accept his death and let it happen like in hell bent when they were going to shoot him

>>80243073
Not forgetting Hartnell's final words:

(to Ben and Polly) "Keep warm."

>>80243076
>What was embarrassing about it?
Because /who/ fans are always insecure about being called out for watching a kiddie show, but they always had the escape of making fun of capeshit fans for being the real kiddie fans, and now they can't.

Moffat haters will kill themselves in 10 years once they realise just how wrong they are. It happened with the McCoy era and it'll happen to you guys too.

>>80242459
>Moffat spent most of his time on Sherlock again and it turned out to be trash anyway

I hope the next showrunner ONLY does Doctor Who

>>80243073
>implying those are Colin's real last words

"Don’t cry Mel. It was my time. Well, maybe not, but it was my time to give. To donate. I’ve had a good innings you know, seen and done a lot. Can’t complain this time. Don’t feel cheated."

>>80242703
Why are we supposed to care about this bitch still?

>>80243124
Kek. This is accurate.
Anything silly or outlandish here is always shit on.

>>80243080
SAVE US GARETH

>>80243115
Just a wilhelm scream dubbed over the scene.

>>80243115
This.

It'll be him accepting it fiercely too, with a rock version of 'A Good Man' playing in the background as he hangs up his velvet coat

>>80242760
Which of Moffat's seasons, if any, would you say had a story arc?

>>80243076
Everything to do with the superhero and the VFX.

I don't think the Doctor likes being his Twelfth Incarnation, it was an incarnation born out of insecurity and war. Even though Capaldi is based, you can get the vibe he wouldn't be too upset regenerating into a new form.

>>80243138
Nah, it's:
>Local... tractor beam...

Also, Two's real last words are:
>Fear no more, Hogan... After this dreadful night has passed your scarecrows will not walk again!

>>80243189
That would be GOAT.
Or if hes sitting down in a chair reading a comfy book or something.

>>80243191
Series 6.

But let's clarify, it was a fucking disaster and fell apart.

>>80243112
Why are images of Gareth so scarce?

>>80243212
It would be refreshing to see the Doctor actively *want* to regenerate. Don't think that's ever happened before. Maybe 12 could trigger a regeneration himself, not so much out of self-loathing, but because he himself wants to move on.

>>80243246
>*we pan down to see it's a copy of The Highest Science*
>12 looks into the camera with a cheeky smile, and whispers...
>..."That's Gareth"

>>80243282
He operates mostly under cover of night

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>>80243282
I'm actually surprised how many /who/ has managed to find. He's not exactly a huge celebrity.

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>>80243327
Amazed /who/ hasn't stumbled across this one yet

>>80243246
What book would you have him reading? Hard mode: no sci fi.

>>80243283
Dr.Who, the hero to millions of children worldwide, a purveyor of hope, tolerance and love, hates himself so commits suicide on Christmas Day.

hmm.

>>80243191
S6 had the most obvious and involved story arc.

S5 had somewhat of an arc, with Amy's wedding leading to the end of the universe and the cracks following them around, but there wasn't much more story to it than that one-line description.

S9 had Ashildr's progress through eternity as a continuing story, but it didn't really drive the finale (despite shoehorning it into the "hybrid" thing).

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>>80243138
>>80243238
>not "You want me to become a god?"

>>80243282
That's nothing, there's only 1 Miles and 2 Hintons that I'm aware of. Cornell is more common.

>>80243376
That's not what I said, and more importantly that's not how you'd spin/play it. You make it sound like he'd hold a gun to his own head.

>>80243362
"How To Play The Triangle... For Dummies"

>>80243356
That's Morrissey.

>>80243362
Fitting to close Moffat's era, you could have 12 reading through River's diary.

>>80243283
>It would be refreshing to see the Doctor actively *want* to regenerate. Don't think that's ever happened before.
8, my man. I mean he would've died if he didn't, but he was pretty eager to become a new man regardless.

>>80243473
Man that shit was dumb

>>80243513
No

thats gareth

>>80243473
Reminder that if this was 1 he would have checked the scanner before stepping out.

>>80243362
Screenwriting For Dumbies.

if mccoy wasn't in the TV movie and they just started with 8 and showed 7 regenerating in another episode or left it for the EU it would have been pretty good

once mcgann shows up its actually kind of fun.

>>80243362
>What book would you have him reading?

>Target #001: Doctor Who and the Abominable Snowmen

>Hard mode: no sci fi.
>(implying Doctor Who is sci fi…)
Brighton Rock (the reissue paperback with the movie-poster cover with Richard Attenborough, Hermione Baddeley, and William Hartnell)

>tfw only 1 episode with the GOAT comfy tardis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgNuoYD5d9s

>>80243600
Reminder that if this was 1 he would have sabotaged the fluid links to give himself an excuse to go out and search for mercury even though there was no actual reason to go outside.

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>>80243427
*(speaking of which, here's Cornell looking about 15 and pretending to read a cover proof of Timewyrm Revelation)

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The Seventh Doctor died afraid and in pain. How does this make you feel McCoy fans?

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>>80243634
It was a disastrous idea to show the regeneration narrative-wise. Bogs down the whole first half of the story. You're just getting to know the main character, and nope, he's been shot dead, but here's another main character to get to know, except that he has amnesia and has no idea who he is, and now we only have ten minutes left to tell a story.

At least they learned from that and didn't do it in Rose.

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the new dr

>>80243835
I feel sorry for this kid he's sick asf, and those Doctor Who stalkers harassed and gave out about him like fucking manchildren just because he got to meet Capaldi.

>>80241888
>>Tragedy Day
>>The Highest Science

Fuck off Gareth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEj3nuBOxZg

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>>80243747
Pretty bad desu. But some of the EU stories tried to roll with it, implying that's the universe's punishment for his manipulative ways, so at least that's kind of interesting.

>>80243868
I thought he was just autistic?

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>>80243879

Remember that time some fans were claiming Series 8 would have an episode called "Coal Hill Disaster"...

Little did they know they were predicting Dr Who's next spin off kek

Do you guys think we'll ever get Abslom Daak on tv? they referenced him in Time Heist. Who would you pick to play him?

>>80243917
On a scale of 1 to 10, how cancelled is Class?

>>80243911
Where the fuck is this from?

>>80243950
Tom Hardy is a big man for the Daleks.

>>80243911
Bane?

>>80243978
Clen.

>>80243978
Depends who you ask.

P.Ness: 2
P.Ness's mum (V.Jenna): 1
All 6 of its fans: 3
BBC: 9

>>80243999
BTS footage of Gareth getting ERASED

Reminder we could have had a Torchwood Series 5 instead of that Class shite

>>80244044
Doctor and his original wife?

>>80244044
That's hot.

>>80244113
Torchwood is an American show on Starz.

>>80244182
Lol, Torchwood is not suddenly an American show just because one series was co-produced and set there.

reminder that Moffat had the Doctor say this: "We don't want Americans bombing around the place. They'd only start praying."

>>80244152
>Let's make a baby. Right now.
>Oh, Doctor, yes! And we'll call him Susan's Dad, he doesn't need a name.

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>>80244113
>tfw moffat ruins everything

>>80244044
>Studio C Anal

Hmmmmmmm....

Reminder that RTD is a semi-retired CBBC writer who will be involved "in some capacity" in the next kids' show by Phil Ford and Clayton Hickman.

>>80244318
Do you think he regrets leaving when he did?

>>80244357
Nope.

I think if RTD regretted it, he'd be back writing an episode or two (clearly he's welcome to, as Moffat has said a couple of times he's asked him to contribute a new episode).

>>80244357
In all seriousness? No. Remember, he had a few shows on the burner in Hollywood before his husband Andrew got cancer and he dropped everything to take him back home. If he'd stayed on Who longer, he would have dropped that for the same reason, and he'd be in the same place now. Only difference is he'd have a year working with Tennant's replacement in between, instead of a year working with Barrowman.

>>80244450
It would be really exciting to have RTD write an episode again

>>80244357
Also, he's not really semi-retired; he's doing his Cucumber/Banana/Tofu stuff instead of Who-related or otherwise-SF stuff.

>>80243130
>Chibnall
>ONLY doing Doctor Who
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>80244494
He offered to produce a graphic novel in 2013, in time for the 50th celebrations but BBCWW / BBC Books declined to take him up on it. (Nobody knows why - I suspect he wanted to do a Time War story, and that they didn't want clashing content.)

>>80244494
>>80244531
& I agree. He's a writer that'd get me excited for an episode, especially after years away. I'm sure he'd come back to the show very refreshed.

>>80244531
Gutted, because his doodles in Writer's Tale are GOAT

>>80244520
>Cucumber

Fuck is that coming back?
The dialogue in that was a great insight into RTD's mind.

What will happen in the 60th anniversary special /who/?

Will it be a Tennant/Smith/Capaldi/Marshall extravaganza?

>>80244531
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/10/28/bbc-turned-down-a-russell-t-davies-doctor-who-graphic-novel-for-the-fiftieth-anniversary/

>>80244450
>>80244494
At the Oxford Union Moffat said he and RTD got as far as working out the story for an episode, but it fell through when RTD got busy with something else.

>>80244590
Well, there were four titles—Cucumber, Banana, Peeled Banana, Tofu. He's only done three of them. So…

>>80244613
I remember him once saying he sent scripts to RTD too (possibly in 2010) but Russell told him not to because he wanted to watch unspoiled. And not forgetting RTD helped persuade Moffat to bring back River for Capaldi.

#sexstorm

>>80244527
I'm really excited about Chris Chibnall's next play. What do you think it'll be about?

>>80244592
Nothing. Because we don't need to celebrate every fucking anniversary.

I was at uni with Chris Chibnall years and years ago.

He's a complete bellend.

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>>80244735

>>80244647
His actual next three planned shows are:
>80s period drama about young men dying of AIDS in bedsits
>50s period drama about people being blackmailed with evidence of their illegal homosexuality
>modern series showing how sexual blackmail still exists

So, still no time for sci-fi.

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>>80244778

>>80244778
We already knew that from the time he criticized the Bakers to their faces on TV.

>>80244735
>implying the BBC would miss out on an occasion to replicate the success of the 50th

>>80244735
They did in the classic series

>>80244778
When I read the first line, I really thought this was going to be a parody of that anon who keeps copypastaing about how he fucked Pearl Mackie.

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>>80244592
>implying the show won't have been canceled by then

>>80244592
I hope big finish makes a story with every Doctor now with the Nu Who licence
>implying the Bakers and McCoy will make it to 2023

>>80244851
10th, 20th, 25th and 30th if you count Dimensions were all celebrated in some form in the classic series.

The BBC even put a documentary on New Year's day on BBC 1 in december 2003 as part of the 40th anniversary. Of course they are going to celebrate whatever they can to get viewers.

>>80244592
14th Doctor Alfred Enoch teams up with Ian Chatterton to rescue Eight and Susan.

>>80244841
>implying anyone in the UK other than diehards will give a shit about it after tuning out over the last few years

>>80244924
>implying that's ever been an obstacle

Are we likely to get the main trailer on Saturday because there's just over a month left.

>>80245009
I'd place my bets on Saturday, yeah.

But, then, I will of course always be the optimist, the hoper of far-flung hopes and the dreamer of improbable dreams.

This sounds absolutely shite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtiA_McERMU

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>>80244997
>implying Chibnall won't Make Doctor Who Great Again

>>80244941
>I hope big finish makes a story with every Doctor now with the Nu Who licence
They can just barely pull off 3 of them, in any medium, without it turning into a clusterfuck; trying to do 10 at once?

>>80245095
Yeah, Nick Briggs can save on cost by voicing them all himself.

>>80245095
It works kind of well in comic form (The Forgotten, Prisoners of Time) but they're seldom all together and when they are all together it's kind of anti-climactic and ADHD-feeling.

>>80245095
It doesn't have to be good
Just having them interact with each other would be nice

>>80244943
>The BBC even put a documentary on New Year's day on BBC 1 in december 2003 as part of the 40th anniversary.
To be fair, they announced that after RTD had already convinced Julie Gardner to let him bring the show back, so it was probably intended more for backdoor publicity for the soon-to-be-announced revival than for the documentary's own ratings.

>>80245149
>when they are all together it's kind of anti-climactic and ADHD-feeling
Exactly. And it'll be at least as disappointing in audio form, if not more so.

>>80245157
Wouldn't it be better to have single multi-doctor stories where we can see the interactions between doctors in detail?
As in a good Tennant-McCoy story, a good Capaldi-McGann story and a good Smith-Davison story, rather than a Light at the End-style clusterfuck where each of them barely gets to speak three lines to each of the others.

>>80245278
Or a 10-part story, one Doctor per episode doing something that impacts the larger overarching story. Then in the final episode, everything comes together and they meet.

>>80245278
Yes, that could definitely work.

What about not doing it as a series at all, just doing some multi-Doctor stories in some of the monthlies and other lines throughout the year, and have them all loosely tie into a Capaldi two-Doctor story on 23 Nov?

Might be harder to market, but it would probably mean better stories—and it might ultimately get people listening to some of the affected lines (like Marvel team-ups used to in the 80s, before they went overboard with it).

>>80245360
Big fan of Sirens of Time?

>>80245360
Big fan of Prisoners of Time?

Coming real it's the next episode. Hey hey hey...

>>80246022
>>80246022
>>80246022

Troll /who/ everyday!