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>>80204111
Is this pic a new meme?

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>>80204111
>reminder that the next doctor is a WOMAN

>>80204111
Reeeeee, WHY DO THEY HAVE GLOVES ON?
The best thing about them was their hands showing!!!!

>be me
>i serve chips
>weird old scottish professor at my uni
>keeps staring at me
>sneak into his study
>see weird crystal thing in a case
>lol stealing that because negro
>hear voice coming from below
>look down to see padlocked trapdoor
>he walks in
>ohshit.jpg
>run out as he shouts at me
>go to pawn shop to sell this crystal
>its gone wtf
a week or so passes
>walking to a lecture
>suddenly puddle grabs me
>some weird ghost girl is rising from puddle
>suddenly get lazer vision and kill it
>wtf.jpg
>scottish professor runs out
>says something about the neutrinex waves is this area were off the charts
>explain to him what happened
>demands me to go in box with him
>ok then creep
>explains i have a fragment of a white chronon star lodged within my cornea
>says it is impossible but i must have absorbed it somehow
>sick.jpg
>says hes an alien and asks if i wanna travel with him
>why not
A Star In Her Eye

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>>80204111
Conky reporting in for new Doctor.

Do you guys think we might actually see what the Mondas Cybermen look like without the cloth covering their face in series 10?

This is how the finale will pan out

Big bad brings the Cybermen together, the Doctor makes le epic speech and gets the Mondas Cybermen to kill the Iron Men Cybermen because they are still the most human. Le Mondas Cybermen become heroes.

All Cybermen seem to be defeated but suddenly an Iron man cyberman is still alive and shoots Missy causing her to regenerate.

>>80204213
if they're bringing them back because they're frightening and not because fan service then probably

>>80204272
missed one thing
>missy will sacrifice herself to save the doctor

>>80204213
you know how Moffat's mind works 'bring something back and try to innovate' and then potentially fail terribly like with the Ice Warrior outside the suit in Cold War.

So it's likely he will remove the cloth face for at least a scene.

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Hold the fuck up, that top part is quoting the Gatiss meme, but

>dare and do

What the FUCK I thought it was derring-do, this phrase is even more convoluted then I thought

there's a press release on saturday?

Saturday.

3PM.

>>80204473
>>80204504
proof

>>80204361
Why would she do that? She's admitted that she keeps trying to kill him (she just hopes she doesn't succeed).

Does nobody think the apparent Truth Monk two parter and the Cybermen Finale are too similar?

They both seem to take place post invasion in the same city (Bristol) and deal with the aftermath of two Alien incursions.

>>80204573
There's some weird about this series.

For starters 5-8 are apparently linked.

>>80204560
Neither of them want to actually kill each other thats the point. So if the Doctor truly is in a situation where there's no escape, you can bet your life the Master will try and save him.

Like when the Master pushed the 4th Doctor off the tower, he knew the Doctor would regenerate that's why he smiled. It's all dangerous game they're playing. But if shit gets proper serious the Master will be there to help, just like he helped 6 will the Valeyard.

They is bestos

Did Ten shag Rose?

>>80204611
That's how it's looking
Eps 1-4 are standalone
Eps 5-8 have their own arch
Eps 9 and 10 are Standalone
Eps 11 and 12 connected

But obviously there's most likely going to be a big bad and an overall arc that get's established in A Star In Her Eye.

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>>80204775

did david and billie have sex?

>>80204560
The original plan for the Master's story arc:

After a year away, he returns. But his big explodey plan is going to fail, and possibly permakill the Doctor. He can't handle that idea, so he flips out and runs in to make sure the Doctor can regenerate, and he gets permakilled.

And then Delgado died in Turkey, so they replaced the story with some fucking spiders.

Cartmel talked about doing the original ending with Ainley in S28, but of course the show got canceled.

Tennant wanted RTD to do the original ending with Simm, but RTD disagreed.

Capaldi probably wants Moff to do the original ending with Missy, and Moff is afeared of the Capaldiman.

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>>80203386
>gay guy here, and the Doctor is asexual and should never be sexualised.
>Except 2. Him and Jamie are definitely a thing.

>implying that Him, Jamie, and Victoria weren't in a bisexual threeway relationship

Also, go back and watch The Wheel in Space. They only decide to keep Zoe around after she turns away from them and Jamie gets a nice look at her arse and nods at the Doctor.

>>80204611
>For starters 5-8 are apparently linked.
>>80204805
>Eps 5-8 have their own arch

you just made this up

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>>80205040
No.

>>80204899
I always thought Brother idea made a lot of sense.
I think people would hate it now though. It's too late. People were getting mad when Missy had that throwaway comment of having a daughter on Gallifrey.

>>80205040
It's not made up, eps 6* to 8 are about the Truth Monks and Memory police and Missy is in those episodes. You can learn all that by looking at the filming blocks, and leaked set pics.

>>80205099
What's wrong with the Master having a kid? that's actually pretty cool. And nah I like them just being best friends the brother thing is way too cliche even for a villain like the Master.

>>80204182
It was gloves in 10th planet.

>>80205175
I don't personally care. But I know a lot of people were annoyed by that on here. Imagine if they did the brother thing? People would go ballistic.

Destiny of the Doctors and some 8 Doctor stuff + Churchill are on HumbleBundle now

>>80205099
RTD did the joke where Martha asks if they're brothers and the Doctor says she's been watching too many bad soap operas, and fandom loved that.

It's all because the series bible for the TV movie wanted to make them half-brothers (same dad, but a Gallifreyan mum instead of Penelope Gate so he's not half-human). Fandom suddenly decided that that them being related was the dumbest idea in history, after nobody really having a problem with it before. So instead, they were besties as little kids, because that's totally different.

Fandom is silly.

>>80205261
A friendship among equals is a much more meaningful relationship than them just happening to have the same mother.

Biology is silly.

>>80205175
>What's wrong with the Master having a kid? that's actually pretty cool
It reminded me of Iris Wildthyme's story about her daughter that was a parody of the Doctor's story from Cold Fusion, which was pretty cool.

I'd like to see an episode from the Masters perspective.

>>80205334
Same father, not mother. Remember, the Universal/Fox Doctor is half-human on his mother's side.

More importantly, it's not just happening to have the same father; they were raised together, in the same house, with their dad and the Doctor's mum as their parents. That's a pretty meaningful relationship.

Of course it's also an explanation for why the Master was evil—grew up with his stepmom who never loved him as much as her own kid, resents his non-bastard half-brother, blah blah.

>>80205470
>I'd like to see an episode from the Masters perspective.
I'm not sure that would work as well with an OTT crazy Master like Missy (or Simm, or Roberts).

But for the next Master, that could be pretty cool.

Especially if they try to do a thing like Big Finish has done with the Master (and twice with Davros) where he tries to resist being evil but he can't hold back his true nature. Doing that story from his POV could be pretty cool.

>>80205548
I much prefer the idea of them finding and befriending each other in their youth (flashback when?). It's more touching and less contrived.

Depressed as fuck. Who else?

>>80205636
I'm just saying I wouldn't hate the brother idea, and fandom's reason for hating it was silly. It wouldn't be my first choice.

I like the VNA idea that they're bound together by a dark childhood secret that they can never share with anyone else. Making it be a murder that the Doctor committed to save the Master and then let him think he'd committed it and sold him out to Death to be her Champion, that part is probably not right for TV, just the idea that there's something unspecified that they've been keeping between themselves since they were 5.

>>80202166
>Michelle Gomez is based she wouldn't be into all that liberal womans right shite.
Tweets pictures of Trump as a pig.

Retweets everything Michelle Obama tweets, then bitches about Michelle not being anti-Trump enough.

Before moving to the US, did an ad for SNP telling people they don't have to feel guilty voting against Labour because Labour is no longer a left-wing party.

Choice of charity when going on celebrity gameshows is the Scottish Women's Excellence Foundation.

Was virtually a groupie to the Smack the Pony troupe, talking about how comedy by and for women was an idea that the world desperately needed.

Yeah, she's an alt-rightster like you.

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>>80205761

>>80204898
Yes. Why do you think she calls him David Teninch?

Cybermen = Communists

Daleks = Nazis

Silurians = Liberals

>>80206149
What's the Doctor?

>>80205904
owned him

>>80206149
>doesn't understand the point of Cybermen
>doesn't understand the point of SIlurians
>probably doesn't understand what either "Communist" or "liberal" means

>>80206191
space jeremy corbyn

>>80206191
Gareth

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>>80206191
UKIP.

>>80206223
He's right though, in the sense that the Cybermen think primarily as a collective

>>80206223
>t. butthurt commie

>>80206276
>He's right though, in the sense that the Cybermen think primarily as a collective
Because fascism isn't also about thinking as a collective.

Kit Pedler's entire point behind the Cybermen was that there's no real difference between communism and capitalism if they're both obsessed with progress and efficiency.

>>80206332
Just because they share two of the same traits doesn't mean they're the same thing

>>80206332
>You will become like us (or your resident visa will not be renewed)
Cybermen = Dutch Conservative Party

>>80206441
Yes, exactly. Just because Cybermen and Communists share one trait that a whole lot of others also share doesn't mean they're the same thing.

Or are you trying to argue with Kit Pedler instead of with me? Because, if so, he's probably not going to respond, having been dead since long before 4chan started.

>>80206149
How are the Silurians liberal? Maybe the scientist from DWATS and Vastra, but most of them are just "APES GET OUT REEE"

>>80206482
Maybe they're liberal in the European/actual political science sense, not in the American/stupid sense. The pillars of Silurian economics are free movement of capital, free movement of goods, free movement of labour, and ohmigod an egg is coming hide underground.

>>80206512
>free movement of capital, free movement of goods, free movement of labour
Still don't see how that relates to what we see in their episodes.

>>80206560
If you read the rest of the sentence past that last comma, you might notice the joke.

>>80206573
>Ohmigod an egg is coming build higher dikes.
Silurians = Dutch Labour Party

>>80206573
Also, your jokes are too complicated. It's not obvious you're not taking the OP's ideas seriously unless you read it twice.

You = Dutch Socialist Party

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>>80204898
She was still married to Chris Evans at the time, and Tenninch was in relationship with the actress that played 'Girl in the Fireplace'. Doubt it: even actors hate 'complications' during filming commitments.

Why are Gallifrey Base posters such cucks?

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/839461218918236160

Reminder that the real communists are the women on the TARDIS, proudly doing a 1930's Communist Red Front salute aboard the valiant time vessel.

gareth just wrote "fuck moffat the fat scottish hack" on twitter
holy shit
hes having a meltdown rn
just told a fan "fuck you nigger shit"

>>80206573
Just saying that my post stands no matter which definition of liberalism you're using. No need to be a cunt about it.

>>80206751
>posting the same bait again
stop. this is a doctor who thread.

>>80206751
Reminder that a couple of years from now this photo will include the Doctor herself.

>>80206754
HOLY SHIT ITS REAL
he's done. no one will ever hire him again.

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>>80206705
How long has he had that velvet suit?

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>>80206751
Pearl is doing a black power salute. Just like Billie Piper did before she was even on Doctor Who, because Billie is Ali G.

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Really looking to seeing Bill in action. She looks like a great companion.

>>80205904
What gameshow was she on?

>>80206751
Fuck off back to /pol/ twat. Women do this 'girl power' stuff all the time, been doing it for decades. Nothing to do with *communism* by even the lengthiest stretch of the political imagination.

>>80207049
Wrong - it doesn't matter what they're trying to do with it, the fact is it originated as a communist red front salute.

>>80207001
I'm willing to be anon was talking about the fake panel show she did about a decade ago with some of the Smack the Pony/Green Wing girls, which was actually a joke because Michelle had just won an award from the Scottish Women's Excellence Foundation.

If so, it's not exactly the best piece of evidence, being a joke and all. Mentioning the award would have been a better one. Or just leaving it out, since there's plenty more you could find just from any week in her twitter feed instead of digging for old video clips on DailyMotion.

But maybe he meant something else that I don't know about.

>>80206996
THAT'S BILL!
SHE SERVES CHIPS!

>>80206191
The Doctor is the type of Liberal who is fine with gays getting married but probably thinks 1000 different genders is retarded. Still waiting for 12 to make I had money for every gender there is joke, then again those freaks make up a large part of the audience now, so it will never happen.

>>80207143
No it didn't. The first Women's Day was over 100 years ago, starting as a protest against the poor treatment of seamstresses and other female professions - the Russian Revolution started months later in October, and adopted the gesture from them, not the other way around.
>t. commie

>>80207143
Yes, it doesn't matter what your intent is when making a gesture, or how other reasonable people will interpret it; all gestures have been trademarked and their meanings can never change. That's why every time you raise your hand in class, you're a Nazi when you get halfway there and a Communist when you get 90% of the way there, even if you think you're just trying to answer a question.

>>80206216
Congratulating yourself.

Sad.

>>80207217
OK, I think you got me. Except it wasn't DailyMotion, so…thbbft.

>>80207296
>tfw you can't think of any way to deal with how stupid you looked except to imagine that everyone in the world is a sockpuppet except you

Why do women bother with this women empowerment thing? they will never be the equal of men.Even if they overthrow the ''patriarchy' men will just take over again, we are the dominant sex that's how mammals work niggas.

>>80207374
Sush, I like to imagine Michelle is an alt righter. Okay?

>>80207391
Why do humans bother with this brushing teeth thing? They will never be the equal of bacteria. Even if they scrape off the "plaque" bacteria will just come back again, we are the dominant species that's how teeth work cavity creeps.

Is Gareth the only right-wing Doctor Who person? What about Colin Baker?

>>80204111
>Dr Who
reeeee

>>80207442
He mostly just cares about animals iirc

>>80207442
>>80207442
No, Hartnell hated blacks and was racist in general. Tennant and Capaldi are closeted sexists and racists they just pretend to be pro women and pro diversity. Chris Eccleston is deffo a conservative.

>>80207442
Terrance Dicks?

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lol

>>80207442
It's hard to tell what Colin's actual politics are from his column, except that he's definitely "perplexed" an awful lot.

>>80207505
Eccleston hates the Tories for being posh cunts who look down on Northerners though

>>80207505
>Chris Eccleston is deffo a conservative.
lolno

>>80207442
Gareth said coming out as Tory was harder than coming out as gay. What a kekker.

>>80207505
>Eccleston deffo conservative

comes from working background in Salford. erhm.

How would the 1st Doctor feel knowing that one day he would become a black female?

>>80207541
>Terrance Dicks?
Terry always refused to discuss his own political opinions, and claimed that Doctor Who could never be political…but look at Colony in Space, The Mutants, The Green Death, or almost any other story made in his era. Either he's lying to himself or to us, or he honestly believes that green-pink politics is so obviously right that it's not a political statement to say so.

>>80207652
I imagine no more upset than knowing he'd become a dandy and a clown.

>>80207572
When he describes his entire constituency as anti-Brexit moderate Tories who believe Cameron revitalised the party after decades of vile Thatcherism, I think he might be describing himself.

>>80207786
Wasn't Colin a staunch Leaver though?

>>80207685
I remember in that latest DWM interview he had that while he disapproved of a Doctor who wasn't a white guy, he considered himself a leftist and said you couldn't be a good writer without being at least a little liberal.

>>80207685
Yeah, that's true. I was thinking mainly of the fact that he's been accused of holding some old-fashioned ideas about gender roles.

>>80207945
>you couldn't be a good writer without being at least a little liberal

Gareth Roberts BTFO

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>>80208042
These wounds they will not heal

>>80204111
That Cyberman looks like Jeremy Renner.

Doctor Who ,more like Doctor poo.

>>80207820
>Wasn't Colin a staunch Leaver though?
No, I'm pretty sure that's just the /pol/sters picking up a guy named Colin Barker and pretending it's Colin Baker.

Colin did tweet an awful lot about how badly Cameron and Rose were handling the campaign and how they deserved to lose if this is the way they're going to do things, but I don't think he actually wanted them to lose.

He also wrote about how both sides' arguments were completely full of shit, and the actual solution to the UK's problems is not more EU or less EU, it's more taxes.

>>80207945
Wow, I missed that one. Maybe now that he's not even remotely "the Doctor Who guy" he feels more free to talk about his politics?

Doctor Who is fucking Garbage.

There will be a mini episode released before the new series starts. It shows what happens to Simm's Master immediately after the events of the End of Time, they even managed to get Dalton back for it. It's 15 minutes long and will be released online.

>>80208386
kek fuck off with your fake news

>>80208333
All of Garbage, or just Shirley?

Either way, I could see Capaldi pulling that.

https://twitter.com/OldRoberts953/status/839606295741222912

at this point i think it's attention-seeking. doctor who was the only important thing he's worked on and now that he's been erased from that he starts arguments on twitter

>>80208386
McGann gets seven minutes but the Master gets 15? Bullshit.

>>80208416
When the best way you can think of to improve your life is to become Larry Miles' eviler twin, you may have hit rock bottom.

>>80208416
My sides! Gareth is deffo a 4channer

>>80208309
>he's not even remotely "the Doctor Who guy"
He's not?

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>>80208411
>implying there's a possibility Capaldi _didn't_ hit this

>>80208538
>He's not?
He's not. If the press wants to talk to an authority about Doctor Who, the first person they turn to is Moffat. Then Capaldi. Then Tennant, Gatiss, RTD… Terry is about 20th on the list now. Whereas in the early wilderness era, he was at worst tied with JNT, so anything he said could be taken to mean more about Doctor Who than he intended.

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Remember that time Michael Jackson was considered for the role of the Doctor instead of McGann


Admit it, he would have made a based Doctor.

>>80208538
He hasn't written an NSA or anything in forever, meaning he's pretty much retired. Sucks, because I'd be cool with him writing a 12 book.

>>80208462
He seems to be branching out with that recent script for The Librarians, so maybe he could pitch his own competing SF show to another network like E4, and hope they don't check his Twitter.

https://twitter.com/_ajit8_/status/839605615005687809

Mark Gatiss has a show on at 1am if anyone's interested.

>>80206149
Mondas Cyberman = Communism

Arguably Cybusmen = Corporatism

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>>80208416
>diagnosis in that case

Gareth is savage

>>80208661
[insert Fix with Sontarans joke here]

>>80208416
kek your right.
the only successful things hes done has been doctor who related. he's never had his own successful show.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0731111/

moffat has had ton of successful stuff outside of DW. no wonder he hates him, he's jealous.

>>80208677
>Mondas Cyberman = Communism

>Arguably Cybusmen = Corporatism

Yes, they're totally different, because there's no such thing as International Electromatics.

It's not like Kit Pedler knew what the Cybermen were meant to represent; he only invented them.

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>>80205904
What's an "alt-rightster"?

>>80208774
Hey, he was one of the people that Rebecca Levene brought with her to Emmerdale after Cornell turned the job down. Doesn't that count as being successful?

>>80208985
go to bed gareth

>>80208999
>go to bed gareth
Can't. Awake 27 days now. Is that even possible? I blame brown people and Steven Moffat.

>>80208927
He did not invent the Cybusmen though did he, hm?

Why don't we ask Uncle Rusty?

Seriously stop picking on Gareth just because he has conservative views. His political views do not detract from the fact that he is actually a good writer and he writes fun and innovation episode's. He is actually a pretty nice guy in person to everyone. Also the situation with Peter Capaldi is false, Capaldi was the one who got annoyed over a stupid joke, it wasn't Gareth's fault. So yeah.

>>80209109
/who/ loves Gareth though

>>80209109
Gareth you aren't even trying to be sublime are you?

>>80208974
Thinking that everyone is American, and all politics is about /pol/'s jokes during the 2016 US election, and that everyone who doesn't like Donald Trump likes Hillary Clinton, is a good sign that you may be stupid enough to take someone else's jokes as your serious political positions.

>>80209109
>He is actually a pretty nice guy
his twitter says otherwise

It's my 41st birthday today /who/.

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>>80209160
Gareth is always sublime.

>>80209109
I thought his political views were stupid when he was a leftist, and I think they're even more stupid now that he's a rightist. I also think it's hilarious that he can't think of any way to describe someone as sexy without referring to their full, sensual lips.

I still think most of his books, most of his SJA episodes, and half his DW episodes are fun. But why can't I think that, and enjoy his work, and still make fun of him? You think he's too thin-skinned to handle it?

>>80209109
I actually really like his Shada book

>>80209109
Anyone that gets memed on that hard is probably well liked. I think /who/ has quite the affection for Garebear.

>>80209284
>Mondasians
>In a press release for normal people

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>tfw you put your Mondasian in her press release for normal people

>>80209251
Happy birthday, anon.

>>80209319
>Mondasians
>In a press release for normal people
The sad thing is, Moffat was clearly trolling fandom to see how many people would go "Reee! Reee! They're called Mondans! David Banks said so!" and Gareth ruined it.

If I want to continue listening to Doom Coalition beyond the first one, do I need to listen to The Diary of River Song, or would I be fine without it?

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>>80209251
It's my 39th birthday too Anon! Happy birthday! Also on this day, Davros made his first appearance on doctor who

>>80209495
>Lesbian furry porn
>In a press release for normal people

>>80209495
Don't really know, but if it's any consolation Diary of Riversong isn't bad at all.

>>80209518
Cut out all that racket, you whippersnappers. Yeah, yeah, you survived another year, call me when you survive the Falklands.

>>80209528
>Doctor Who
>In a press release for normal people

>>80209319
>implying normal people read press releases
its for fans and news people and they probably know what it is or can just google it
its really not a big deal

Will we get a trailer this saturday?

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>>80209624
The Falklands you say?

>>80209739
>Trailers
>In a press release for normal people

>>80209666
>words, grammar and punctuation
>In a press release for normal people

What a shit /who/ thread

>>80209754
Ha, I forgot Blunt was a Falklands veteran. In my head, that's something middle-aged people talk about, not something OAPs talk about. Which just goes to show how old I am…

>>80209860
what's your favorite capaldi episode aside from heaven sent of course
mine is tma/twf

Fucking hell has Gareth spawned ANOTHER meme with this press release stuff?

>>80209904
>Memes
>In a press release for normal people

>>80209904
he gives us so many new material every day

>>80209892
The Caretaker

>>80209892
Mummy on the Orient Express probably.

>>80209947
memes aside that was a shit episode
the villain was shit, danny was stupid and gareth wrote 12 like a caricature.
guarantee the only good lines were moffat ones.

>>80209892
Probably Mummy if I had to pick one.

>>80210010
Agreed. Was a painful watch. Can't see myself watching it again.

>But he's a n*****! Why would you go out with a n*****? You've made a boyfriend error.

What did the writer mean by this and what was it the Doctor said that got censored?

>>80209874
>Which just goes to show how old I am…
I'm oblivious.
Watching blunt talk made me realize Adrian Scarborough was criminally underused in a Town Called Mercy. Kind of a shame they cancelled it(blunt talk), however I must admit I lost interest in the second season. Adrian Scarborough could probably make a good doctor.

>>80209892
Listen

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>>80210010
>gareth wrote 12 like a caricature.
Why is it that Gareth is great at 4, 8, and 11, only halfway decent at 1, 7, and 10, and bad at the rest? What do 4, 8, and 11 have in common with nobody else?

>>80210166
4, 8 and 11 are all right-wing

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>>80210133
always is

>>80210010
>gareth wrote 12 like a caricature
I thought the doctor and his characterization was the one of the more redeeming parts of the episode.
>guarantee the only good lines were moffat ones.
This is a distinct possibility and maybe the reason for the above. After watching Garebear's "The Librarians" episode I really wonder how much of his material was rewritten by moffat and RTD. It was pretty bad by even The Librarian's standards.

>>80210038
>that danny flip scene

>>80204464
It IS derring do
whoever transcribed that article is an uneducated plebian

>>80210166
When did he ever write 8? If you mean 7, then it's because 4, 7, and 11 are Doctors who are wacky while carrying a dark undercurrent in their actions.

>>80210244

This looks shopped but I'm not 100%

>>80210253
I just remember 12 being super over the top grumpy in it. Like Gareth read 12 was grumpy but nothing else and just decided to do that the whole episode. Tbf I haven't seen it in a long time.

>>80208416
>resorting to autism as an insult
he would fit in on 4chan way more than he realizes

>>80210253
Remember that quote by Moffat about him being pissed off at having to edit 'awful scripts'...?

Pretty sure he was talking about Gareth

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>>80210255
Don't remind me

>>80210125
>Kind of a shame they cancelled it
I love Jonathan Ames, but everything he writes is basically the same people in a different setting, so I'm sure his next show will be just as much fun as Blunt Talk was.

>Adrian Scarborough could probably make a good doctor.
He's not so great in generic sitcoms, but brilliant in off-the-wall stuff like Blunt Talk, or that episode of Psychoville.

I'd like to see him as a new renegade Time Lord character.

12 kino
Heaven Sent
Listen
Mummy on the Orient Express
Flatline
Face the Raven

>>80210373
Hell Bent>>Face The Raven

>>80210373
>listen
Why? It was just another generic Moffat script which makes no sense.

>>80210343
maybe he was mad at him writing the same episode three times in a row
the lodger closing time and caretaker are basically the same exact episode
lazy cunt. wont be missed.

>>80204272
It's more like this
>Doctor at Bill's university
>power outages in city
>Doctor tracks to sewer
>Mondas Cybers in sewer
>Doctor sees they have a dimension opening thingy
>Marching Cybers come out
>Cyber mischeif
>at the end of the first episode Iron Man Cybership appears
>part two is an Invasion style war resulting in the Cybers retreating, and Capaldi dying
>Missy is in their somewhere

>>80210510
which would be hilarious since Roberts has said that Moffat asked for Closing Time and Caretaker in a similar vein to The Lodger

>>80210472
what didn't make sense?

>>80210305
>When did he ever write 8?
His comics between Izzy and Destrii are some of his comfiest writing. 8 dealing with a teenage companion who keeps telling him how Spiderman would have done it.

>>80210343
He said he had to have RTD send him a script so he could "see what good writing looks like again" It must have been some super shit stuff he was editing whoever it was. I'm guessing Gareth or Thompson.

>>80210604
Thomson seems likely.

IIRC, Moffat also rewrote the majority of The Doctor's Wife.

>>80210305
And I don't mean 7. In his 4 MAs, the Doctor is always the best character; in his 7 NAs, the Doctor is the least interesting character. Still not bad (the least interesting character in a pretty good book is still going to be at least halfway decent), but when you compare Highest Science to Transit, Tragedy Day to No Future, or Zamper to Sky Pirates, and the Doctor's characterisation is a step down all three times.

>>80210472
t. pleb who can't understand a plot if there's no monster

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>>80209518
Happy birthday guys!

>>80210166
His 9 is pretty gud too

>>80210640
>Thomson seems likely.
Doesn't he allegedly pass all of Thompson's scripts through Gatiss before he even looks at them?

>>80210640
I read he suggested Idris or something. I've never heard he rewrote the whole thing.

>>80210697
>His 9 is pretty gud too
Should I check that one out? Honestly, I haven't read enough of the NSAs to compare them. I read three of the ones that someone else suggested, and it was impressive that they managed to pull off a decent book despite the mandate to write for 10-year-olds and not have any lasting effects on anything, but, except maybe for The Eyeless, it was still frustrating that they could have been so much better with a little more freedom.

>>80210343
what quote was that?

>>80210811
>Some things you see are so bad, you think you shouldn’t write for a week in case you’re contaminated. In case it’s got into your head. The sheer rubbishness of the dialogue and awfulness of the story construction. You have to detox. But you read a Russell [T Davies] script and suddenly everything makes sense in an immaculate clean way. So they’re huge influences and pick-me-ups. I read Cucumber years ago for the simple reason that I was stuck on Doctor Who, really tired and having a miserable time rewriting someone’s script. And all I was doing covertly was saying, “Could you send me some good writing I haven’t read so I can remember what it’s like?” It doesn’t mean you then write like that but you go, “Yes! That’s exciting.”

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>>80210550
>>80210572
>>80210604
>>80210697
>>80210715

gareth btfo

WHERE
IS
SERIES
NINE
OST

>>80210858
KEK

>>80210730
Pretty much rewrote it all.

I know Gaiman lost the script and it was a troublesome time all round for Nightmare in Silver, but you only have to compare that script to Doctor's Wife. TDW is a marked improvement, and it's very much been polished up by SteMo

>>80210858
tweet this to gareth
I would but he already blocked me

>>80210858
Let's be fair, RTD was openly critical of a lot of writers, hence he did page one rewrites on so fucking many. Only he chooses to tell an anecdote about Roberts cos he knows he won't care, cos they're friends, and RTD doesn't wanna call out a bunch of hack writers that he had to rewrite cos they were shit

>>80210885
Moffat was pretty busy and overworked that year too. He probably didn't have time to rewrite it much and trusted Gaiman to deliver something decent....

>>80210799
It's one of the only other good ones, yeah - basically written as an audition for the TV series at the time iirc

>'Why d’you hang around us so much, then?’ The Doctor looked into her eyes, serious. ‘You can be brilliant, terrible, generous, cruel. But you’re never boring.’

>>80210965
2011 does seem to be the year Moffat nearly just died of exhaustion. Sherlock deadlines plus a mad rush to finish his Series 6 scripts in seemingly no time at all (explains why Wedding is so weak and why Widow/Wardrobe was so damn shit)

I know Gaiman said he was annoyed that he had to write 10 drafts of The Doctor's Wife, and told Moffat that much.

>>80211014
>"I didn’t enjoy my third year as much. It was a bit miserable," a very candid Moff revealed. "The workload was just insane. I wasn’t coping as well. No-one else’s fault, all mine. The 50th was looming, and I didn’t know if we could make it work. It was a tough, tough time. My darkest hour on Who was that."

>>80211086
It's quite something that the 50th turned out as well as it did. Hurt cast two weeks prior to the start of production, for one thing.

reminder the guy who wrote the impossible planet/satan pit originally has slitheen in his episode but RTD cut them and made the Ood instead

>>80210948
It was also more than a little unfair for RTD to dump the de facto lead writer job on Gareth and Phil Ford at the last second, with the scripts already late (RTD was originally going to write 6 episodes, not write 2 and leave them half done for Gareth to finish), without actually giving them the title or credit, and then demand they come up with great work in no time.

>>80211146
They were Slitheen because RTD knew they had the costumes, IIRC. Can't remember why he changed them in the end - it's in the book. Might be because he felt they'd be a bit too silly in a story with the Devil.

>>80211146
RTD made the Ood, but he wanted the Tritovores to be his iconic monster?

>>80211164
I don't think many SJA scripts are outright bad, which is quite a miracle with the turnaround time and RTD trying to juggle three shows at once.

Speaking of SJA and Gareth, what happened to Clayton Hickman? He left DWM to become a full-time writer, cowrote some SJA episodes and BF audios with Gareth and did the Brilliant Books and stuff, but he seems to have vanished about 5 years ago.

What's your favorite episode and why?

Least fav?

Favorite moment?

Worst moment?

Favorite doctor?

>>80211271
I agree. And I'm willing to bet Gareth and Phil Ford deserve almost all of the credit for that, even if RTD never gave them the job title. Gareth gets SJ almost as well as he gets 4 and Romana, and Phil knows how to write RTD style without going RTD-finale-OTT.

>>80211290
He's regularly active on Twitter, with all sorts of interesting facts and newly discovered info on classic Doctor Who.

But in terms of professional work, he does seem to be off the radar. Not sure what he does these days.

>>80211343
At one time, I was willing Roberts and Ford to be the next showrunner (co-runners) because they held up SJA so damn well. Shame things have turned out the way they have, with Roberts just turning into a maniac and Ford slipping off the radar.

I suspect this whole writing/rewriting/credit thing is why Moffat started taking co-credits during Series 8. RTD says in his book he wishes he'd put his name on several scripts too. And I bet Ford and Roberts, in hindsight, wish they'd fought harder for co-writing credits on various SJA stories.

>>80210189
>7 a lefty
>8 not

>>80210189
Are you going by "not being vocal about politics means they're right wing and don't want to cause trouble by saying what they think"?

>>80211122
true. it could have been so much worse. he could have easily just got everyone that's willing to appear and write a big fanwank fest light at the end but instead he tried to have a decent story then fanwank stuff. it's not perfect, there could have been more classic who stuff but it's pretty good and actually rewatchable unlike a lot of other anniversary stuff.

>>80211347
Thanks. Although I just found some stuff after asking. It sounds like Hickman has become the silent third partner in Team RTD/Ford. He did a lot of design work for Wizards & Aliens, and wrote a few episodes, and last year Ford and Hickman were working on a pitch for a new show that RTD will be involved with "in some capacity".

Hope they get somewhere, and it's better than W&A.

>>80211525
Interesting! I heard about WvA but it looked a bit lame so I never really checked it out. I hope they get a new kids project off the ground though.

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>>80209295
The Romance of Crime was hilarious.

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>>80211336
we're not here to talk about the show, anon

>>80211411
>And I bet Ford and Roberts, in hindsight, wish they'd fought harder for co-writing credits on various SJA stories.
They already got plenty.

S1: 5/6 written or cowritten by one of them
S2: 5/6
S3: 4/6
S4: 3/6
S5: 3/3

And all of the rest were written by Clayton Hickman, Joseph Lidster, Rupert Laight, or RTD.

I'll bet in hindsight that they'd been able to commission some outsiders to write for them instead of having to do all the work themselves…

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kek

>>80209518
This is for you as well: >>80211626

>>80211627
Of course. We're here to talk about the fanfiction.

>>80211659
I don't think his heart was in it.

Also, suffered the same problem as Class (well, one of the problems) in that the first series had the same villain over and over every episode, so it became so stale so quickly.

>>80210010
Clara trying to go back and forth betweeen the Doctor and Danny was funny. Also, when she found Twelve in her school.

>>80210572
Those were by Barnes and Gray.
Roberts only wrote one Eighth Doctor comic, and it didn't have any companions.

>>80211731
That's literally all before the opening titles in the first few minutes.

>>80211562
When WvA showed up on Netflix, I watched one episode with my nephew, then he saw an ad for Strange Hill High and wanted to watch that instead, so we did. I think he made the right choice.

why hasn't Moffat brought back the Mara yet? seems right up his alley, and he liked the Davison era

>>80211733
Doctor Who and the Nightmare Game. The companion is little Billy. You've seen the meme where an open-shirted 8 says hello to him with a huge grin, right? (Or am I imagining that? I can't find it in a search…)

>>80211866
>the Mara
Snakes are bloody boring, we already got Colony Sarf and in episode 3 of series 10 there is apparently a giant snake in the river.

Blake Holesey High is better than class tbqh desu

>>80211915
If you think he counts as a companion, sure.

>>80211960
But the Mara possesses people, so it wouldn't just be some snake slithering around for 45 mins.

The Tegan nightmare sequences in Kinda are quite something, and you could do so much with untapped potential

>>80210189
What's your definition of right wing?

do you think moffat actually watched class?

>>80211866
also surprised nuwho hasn't done a fully fledged clown story

Day of the Clown was creepy as fuck in SJA.

>>80212020
he might've red the scripts but I doubt he's seen the finished product

>>80212039
I wonder if he saw some of the rushes - or at least the Peter Capaldi & Angel scenes

>>80211989
You can quibble about whether he counts as a companion or not; the point is that it exists, it's a comfy story, and 8 is definitely recognizable as the 8 of that era. Therefore, 8 is one of the Doctors Gareth can do well.

>tfw no 12/wilf episode

>>80211866
Kate Bush won't come back to write for Doctor Who as long as that obsessive fanboy Neil Gaiman is hanging around.

>>80212113
Man I want them to get Bernard back before he dies.

Wilf can joke about how 12 almost looks as old as him now.

>Name some characters you'd love to see 12 interact with, in an ideal world.

Wilfred
The Ood
Tim Dalton's Rassilon instead of the lame old codger in Hell Bent
Chumblies

>>80212113
>I would be proud to call you my father.
>Ey, watch it there.
>Older brother?
>OK, and I'd be proud to call you my kid brother.

>>80212039
did he even have anything to do with the show? i remember he announced it but I never saw him talk about it ever again. i think he knew it was shit.

>>80212186
Capaldi actually sort of looks like an Ood.

>>80212074
Tbh I didn't think it was all that good.
He definitely wrote Six in The One Doctor better than he wrote Eight.

>>80212210
it's as though he said yes, then left Ness to it

Moffat certainly never went out of his way to talk or publicise it, that im aware of

>BBC: Hey Steven were making a spin off set at Coal Hill!!
>Moff: You know I just killed Clara right?
>BBC: Well we were hoping you would help us write it.
>Moff: Yeah no, i'm leaving soon anyway. Bye.

>>80212186
>Ian Chatterton, especially all the time he spends hanging around at Coal Hill
>Romana 2 and/or 3
>Ace
>Quarks, just to see if he lights up or grumbles "still not the Chumblies"

>>80212253
>Moffat certainly never went out of his way to talk or publicise it, that im aware of
To be fair the BBC didn't exactly do that either

>>80212253
he's listed as an executive producer but ness is actually listed above him.
for comparison chibnall isn't listed as one on torchwood and he had a lot to do with that. i think moff basically did next to no work on it.

Official series 10 trailer this Saturday 3:pm GMT.

>>80212253
If he was too burned out to do Who and Sherlock at the same time, and he remembered S7, not to mention RTD when he was trying to do two spinoffs, he was probably too smart to get heavily involved in a new one beyond lending them his name and maybe getting P.Ness the meeting.

>>80208267
go back through C. Baker's tweets in June. There are some very clear pro-leave things there.

>>80210244
>>80210312
Are you serious? They've headswapped Dr. Simeon, Frank Skinner and Clara

>>80212330
>for comparison chibnall isn't listed as one on torchwood
Just like Gareth and Phil aren't listed on SJA. Because RTD believed that he was going to find the time to get the work done himself until the day they aired.

has anyone noticed the first episode of torchwood is literally rose but with jack

>>80210133
they really need to stop shoving every possible character into their artworks. It's gotten embarrassing.

>>80212253
i just googled. he's literally never talked about it after he announced it.
everything else is from ness. i think his silence is pretty silence is deafening.

Guys should I watch Torchwood?

>>80212519
No. Watch Class.

Please.

>>80212519
Only Children of Earth

I liked that Torchwood ep with the Faeries. That was pretty good, didn't like the Faeries design though. We shouldn't have seen what they properly looked like, would have made it creepier.

so what happened to caroline skinner, then?

>>80212349
I'm going through them. I see him retweeting a lot of Stand #WithRefugees stuff approvingly. And retweeting all of Paul McGann's anti-Brexit stuff. And apologizing because something he retweeted was also retweeted by UKIP. And insulting Rudd, Corbyn, Cameron, and Rose for doing such a terrible job convincing people to vote Remain. Meanwhile, I see multiple people asking him whether he's for or against Brexit, and he never answers once.

The closest I can see to him endorsing Leave is retweeting some of the #LabourLeave stuff (which would hardly make him a right-winger, given that it's all about Leave being the true leftist position…), but he doesn't comment on any of it.

If you've got a tweet I've somehow missed, point it out to me.

>>80212627
What happenned to Marcelo Camargo, anon?

What's wrong With Torchwood: Miracle Day? I see it getting a lot of hate.

>>80212771
Haven't watched it or seen it mentioned in a few years, but from what I recall, it was considered awful because Children of Earth was a good ending for the show. Also, because some viewed it as Russell selling out because it was on Starz or something.

>>80212771
American schlock

>>80212771
It really doesn't feel like Torchwood, and it's not nearly as good as CoE, so people were disappointed.

And as far as the most vocal parts of fandom are concerned, there is no middle ground. It certainly wasn't GOAT, so it must be absolute shit, right?

But really, it's not that bad. If you've watched everything else, go ahead and watch it.

https://youtu.be/vuSfJIb7PrI

Missy is in Extremis and Finale, this should be good. Wonder wtf her clever idea was (her escape plan)? because the Daleks only seem to be in a cameo for eps 1.

>>80213366
>it's about time

That's a solid pun

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Who do you think Harness is bringing back in his ep?

>>80213869
Kandyman

>>80213983
The one character that will bring them a legit lawsuit

What story is the most fundamentally /who/?

>>80214062
Bells of St. John's

Bunch of losers stuck in there wifi screaming for help and companionship while no one listens

>>80213869
TRACTATORS

>>80214062
Midnight. A single, infinitely clever man screaming his throat out to get other people whom he views as his inferiors to see things from his perspective, which he deems to be the equivocally correct one.

>>80214062
It's a tossup between The Shakespeare Code, The Unicorn and the Wasp, Planet of the Dead, The Lodger, Closing Time, and The Caretaker.

>>80214062
Dimensions in Time. All the classic Doctors and a bunch of companions, even some of the dead ones, and then it crosses over with a soap opera as a foreshadowing of how RTD will ruin Doctor Who forever. Plus, someone actually does turn out to be the Rani in this one (even if it's the Rani who turns out to be the Rani instead of Ace).

>>80214577
Dimensions in Time was my first ever Classic Who story.

>>80214726
How in the world did that happen? A really cruel friend trolling you with a recommendation? Being stuck as a houseguest at JNT's place for a weekend? Big Eastenders fan who thought maybe you'd give this Who thing a try for a lark?

>>80214726
I'm assuming it's the big Ron version

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>>80214062
End of the World, we literally make a cameo appearance in it

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>>80211673
>>80210697
Thank you kindly, much obliged.
>>80212607
>We shouldn't have seen what they properly looked like.
Michelle Gomez has a fae face if i've ever seen one. She looks like every illustration for a faerie that ive ever seen.
>>80215679
>me on the left.

Remember me and my life-without-life
Come once more to be my wife
Come today, before I grieve
Enter the web of let-me-believe

Just downloaded doom coalition 1-4. Recently finished war doctor and was hugely disappointed. Should I even bother? Do I need to listen to river song series to get the whole story?

>>80216005
Go to bed Zeno

>>80216521
>>80216521
>>80216521

>>80216530
1 early