Why isn't it a move or a TV-show? It would be much better

VTMB was great but Vampires were just a trend

>>80114286
I see you, Miku

>>80114286
There is a tv show from the 80s i think, but it's horrible.

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>>80114366
Mid '90s. Kindred: The Embraced. Ran for one season, then the lead actor died in a vehicle accident and they decided not to continue it rather than try and recast him.

Cash was my husbando.

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>>80113663
The last time they tried to adapt a pen and paper RPG to the big screen this happened.

>>80116205
that movie is goat though

>>80113663

The problem is finding a salvatore level writer to construct a character story in your great setting.

>>80114699
This. It's pretty funny they made the vampire the lead when they realised how terrible the detective was though

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>>80113663
Whoever bought the franchise (cant remember the company) is planning a vampire netflix series to go along with their 'one world of darkness' thing.

If the vampire prequel VN is anything to go by its going to be utter fucking garbage written by faggots like pic related

>>80116385

>prequel VN

Is that the one with the trannies?

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>>80116432

>>80116432
The vegan vampire tranny that kills trump supporters. Yes.

At least the mage prequel let you side with the Technocracy and make sweden great again.

>>80116458
How did anyone read that and think it didn't sound fucking gay?

>>80116385
To be fair White Wolf was always pretty pozzed even before it was bought out

There's a bit in the Werewolf book on Australia celebrating the demise of "pale, male, and stale Aussie culture"

>>80116562
Yeah but they also had the fucking neo-nazi werewolves that you could play as

>>80116562
I know, but this is going to be a lot worse, especially if the rumors about the elder vampires dying to let thinbloods pull the type of shit they do in the prequel without repercussion. Say goodbye to the masquerade.

>>80116605
The Get of Fenris?

>>80116624
>especially if the rumors about the elder vampires dying to let thinbloods pull the type of shit they do in the prequel without repercussion. Say goodbye to the masquerade.

wut

>>80116624
If that's true, I know a lot people who are going to be very pissed. VtR suddenly might be getting some new fans.

>>80116549

The series hasn't had anything good in it since Dark Ages, and instead of doing world building from that, they went with Requiem and it was just garbage. I've heard every argument and making the world the way it was, is what made it popular and they thought they could mess with the fluff and they fucked up.

To be fair DnD did something similar with 4th edition and their huge push went over so badly they released a series of books undoing everything 4th edition did.

Mid to late 00s to now, saw a massive change in pen and paper writing and it wasn't for the better.

White Wolf died and then got stuck in limbo with idiots that made space spreadsheets, and now they've been bought out by a company surviving on selling 20th anniversary editions of the old books.

I would go out hunting for the original writers and have them dig back into their old world.

>>80116649
Yeah a lot of good info in /tg/s wod general if you get past the mage supremacists and the people rping as rape happy werewolves. Hell Dave B was posting the other night.

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>>80116471
Is this the most hamfisted work ever?
>Mage The Ascension: Refuge. Sweden, a small country on the edge of the world. A young woman awakens to Magick in the middle of the Syrian refugee crisis. Are these new arrivals friends or enemies? Bend reality to your will using tech or arcane mysteries. A surreal adventure by weird-fiction author Karin Tidbeck.
>In the autumn of 2015 Karin volunteered to work in a refugee reception centre in Sweden as thousands of people escaping the war in Syria arrived in her home city of Malmö. The thoughts and feelings that her experience provoked are at the core of ”Refuge”.

I can already tell it's SJW drivel. Please prove me wrong

>>80116764
Its a lot better than the vampire one in that it actually gives you to choice to go against the SJW shit. It tries to make you feel bad about doing it but the Technocracy have always been the heroes so fuck the author.

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>>80116764
>>80116458
>>80116385
god I hate upper middle class white americans

>>80116764
Swedecucks have to ruin everything I love. Of course this would happen after a Swedecuck company bought WW.

>>80116649
Yeah the Get had some ridiculous fluff they later backpedaled on in an attempt to say all the nazi ones were dead

>>80116705
2bh I enjoyed the fluff/backstory more than the roleplaying side of things with oWoD

>>80116764
>Is this the most hamfisted work ever?

Definitely, though Charnel Houses of Europe comes pretty close
>intro by the granddaughter of a Holocaust survivor whining about anti-Semitism by racist redneck rubes
>"The Holocaust is literally the only event in world history that officially wasn't explicitly or implicitly due to one or other supernatural factions, at best any factions involved just did so to advance their own causes"

>>80116458
that's actually hot desu

>>80113663
Sandbox games or quasi-sandbox games could be hard to turn into movies.

>>80113663
Because it would be a shitty media. Trying to portray a Malkavian's insanity would just create a "le wacky crazy vampire" meme.

>>80116821

Except it has nothing to do with white people in america and all to do with cucked people in sweden making the world shittier.

>>80116879
>Trying to portray a Malkavian's insanity would just create a "le wacky crazy vampire" meme.

When weren't Malkavians just "lovable zany weirdos that answer questions with non-sequiturs"

>>80113663

It was a TV show once, Kindred: The Embraced. Started off like Melrose Place with fangs but started developing pretty well towards the end of the first season and then the lead actor died in a bike crash so they cancelled it.

Had prime Stacy Haiduk in it too, fuck.

>>80116249

RA Salvatore is a hack though. For genre fiction it's Timothy Zahn followed by a shit ton of daylight, followed by Stackpole and Salvatore. In comparative terms because of how much genre fiction is shit writers like Salvatore look godlike but in objective terms... nah.

****

If they're gonna do a new WoD show I'd love to see them do Hunter: The Reckoning. Structure it like Frailty with it being unclear whether they're schizophrenic or actually killing monsters until the big reveal, and then deal with the fallout.

>>80116929

I think he is meaning the FishMalk meme kind of character versus someone that put time into their character and tried to lace reason into the insanity.

>>80116929
When playing a Malk in VTMB you can hear your other self talking to you. I found it quite cool and didn't realize it until I put my headphones on.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/914819-vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines/answers/184545-malkavian-whispers-list

>>80116929
Being a retarded fishmalk isn't the same as playing someone insane. There's a lot of different kinds of crazy and being lolsorandom isn't typical of real life crazy people.

>>80116851

On the one hand, all the "major event X was actually the work of supernatural type Y!" shit gets pretty lame. Like even agriculture is taught to humans to make them more accessible prey and shit.

On the other hand, the Holocaust is the perfect hunting ground for just about all the supernatural types. Vamps can run around in the open, Tzimisce fleshcrafters could be behind the experiments, Wraiths would be sucking up the emotional pain like no tomorrow, werewolves would be trying to gank everything else... I even read a (non-WoD) comic book once where the slaughter was meant to (re-)birth the Norse gods with Hitler in control of them.

But no. Fuckin' humans, man. More evil than the guys who literally summon demons and rape before eating newborns.

>>80116960

Zahn's fantasy books are probably his worst ones because his writing of emotional depth is really weak. he is great at settings and logic and plotting but his characters tend to be very flat in terms of writing context into them.

So you really tend to need that in fantasy writing and would not feel right building a story in World of Darkness that didn't address how unlives were affected by curse and how they adjusted. You can't do that without emotional writing and if you go into it without finesse and skill in that, it'll just end up being emo nonsense.

I agree Zahn's space stuff is awesome but I wouldn't want him in fantasy, Dragonback series is eh.

Look at Modesitt's Imager series, he has the same problem. Bad with emotion.

>But no. Fuckin' humans, man. More evil than the guys who literally summon demons and rape before eating newborns.

Yeah, it's just seemed a bit excessive to officially state that it's the one event that canonically isn't due to the sinister machinations of vampires/werewolves/wraiths/mages etc behind the curtain

I'd hate to see the modernized version of gangrels, nosferatu or toreador.
Can you fuck imagine, I mean really

>>80117100
>being lolsorandom isn't typical of real life crazy people.
It's very typical of chaotic neutral players though

>>80117202
I don't even allow chaotic neutral characters in my campaigns because fuck those retards.

>>80117198

As we go into the future, I would use a little retro/cyberpunk, definitely steal from the 80s. and then blend it with non descript advancements in the real world.

I would lean more into tech advancements with the internet and information gathering, you could really craft an amazing nosferatu story since the world has changed so much since the late 90s.

Toreador wouldn't be hard since they were always an Ann Rice rip off anyway and ironically she is getting back into writing vamps again so you just riff off of that..

Gangrels would be the hardest but honestly the country still has bikers and wandering nomads, in a country that is always teetering on massive waves of displaced people due to the economy, I would make it a story about drifters.

It could be done easily.

>>80117016
wait till the lamp post and the tv have a chat

also the tv and the radio are always talking to u, if your malk

>>80117198
>toreador being instagram sluts
>nosferatu being made into an even normier version of mr.robot
>gangrels being the leftist out of touch hollywood writer's idea of a """""rebel"""" which is just someone who has the safest mainstream views imaginable as they fight against the evil empire of drumpf
jesus christ

>>80116385

Is that the porn guy?

>>80117198
Modern version of Nosferatu? Just fucking do Count Orlok but with hacker skills as usual. Can't go wrong.

Toreador and Gangrel though would be fucked.

>>80117299
They didnt fuck up the Nossies or Gangrels in Requiem to be fair. Deva (who are pretty much Toreador 2.0) can be debated but I liked their whole 'obsession with mortals' thing.

>>80117198
the brujah would be the worst pure sjws

>>80117198
>>80117275

They could do something more with the personalities the Clans tend to attract rather than the archetypes.

Brujah are known for being biker gangs and toughs, but you could just as easily show them as heading a corp that's coming in to rival the Ventrue. Toreador get hyper-focused on shit, why not make them scientists as well as le artistes. Gangrel are such drifters and loners that none have been seen since forever, but something in the forest is killing everyone who tries to go out there, or they're radical environmentalists feuding with both the Brujah and Ventrue who want to develop the wilderness.

And all the while the Tremere just sit there, unblinking, murmuring "All according to keikaku" until the Sabbat attack in the series finale and the Tremere, who everyone has written off as a bunch of boring nerds bust out the combat thaumaturgy leaving all sides going "Wait... what? They can really do that shit? FUUUUUUUCK."

>>80117374

Probably not, the Brujah want rebels with a cause, not rebels without a clue. Toreador do lover their posers though.

I've heard that the writing and dialogue in this game is God-tier
Is it true or just a mere exaggeration?
Should i play it?

Tzimisce best clan

which clans vote for trump? definitely ventrues and toreadors

>>80117461
It's pretty good. Definitely one of the best games I've played.

I would hang myself before I'd let myself see what hollywood writers would do to Brujah, Sabbat or Grangrel.

>>80117461
It's great as far as RPGs go.

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>>80117472
Souleaters

>>80117500
None of them because they'd be undocumented citizens, I'm sure the government would find it a bit odd you're 200 years old but look 30 on your drivers license

>>80117388

And you could make it an easy story for them to understand, use Salubri to influence the Sabbat going after the Tremere. And coda of the season is showing glimpses.

With the whole Game of Throne, political thriller in a fantasy or alternative world setting being so popular right now, the Expanse, Emerald City, I can name a few others while one of the best thriller worlds is World of Darkness.

It takes a niche that television loves, vampires. there has been a vampire show on television pretty much since the 90s. And it takes a popular show model, with deep world building already there and it just has to be adapted.

You could even go with a heroes, street level entry into the story, and be brought into the intrigue through the audience/MC

All of the pieces are already out there in media landscape.

>>80117561
>implying vamps dont use fake ids
>implying they dont live in states without voter id laws

If illegal spics can vote in California then so can vamps.

>>80117561
Depends on the clan. There's plenty of identity forgers available to keep the masquerade actually viable.

>>80117561
commiefornia doesn't have voter ID laws

>>80117472

The True Tzimisce should destroy the corrupted. Starting with Vlad bringing a crusade against the neonates that have broken their bonds and released hordes upon the world.

Sabbat Civil War.

>>80117520
>implying

>>80117374

Tbf, a major subplot of the Brujah in OWoD was them being commies who have been butthurt at the Camarilla since Carthage because they literally wuz kangz until the Venture wyatt man brought muh Romans and sunlight blankets.

The worst they could be now is literally being Antifa.

>>80117500
Ventrue and maybe Brujah would be the only ones invested in the affairs of mortals.

>>80117667

>Talking shit about true brujah

ventrueshill pls

Only group to rival their power.

>>80117669
I guarantee you toreador would be at every political rally they could find taking selfies.

>>80117712
Brujigaboo fuck off, only thing worse than you fucks are malks.

>>80117717
Nah Toreador aren't like that. They're faggots but not SJWs.

>>80117712

>letting Troile turn your clan into the dindus of the setting
>Not being True Brujah
>Current Generation

>>80117753
They don't care about the politics, they would just like the attention and social capital. How can you even deny this

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>>80117753

>they're (((modern art))) and capeshit enthusiasts who bankrolled Dear White People

>>80117806

It makes sense though (at least within the framework of shit like >>8011645 being a part of the setting)

>Generate controversy that gets Kineyim riled up and full of emotions
>Feed off of their special snowflake complexes to satiate your own
>Rinse&repeat

>>80117806
>Toreadors like attention now

Where was this in the clanbook? They're obsessive artists not stereotyped millenials. You're getting them all wrong.

>>80117911

they're trying to adjust them into the new world view of how they could mesh into the real world.

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>>80117717

Found them.

>>80117779

He was talking about Carthage, they were the true brujah before the current riffraff that were created because of the traitor Troile, don't get me wrong lest the hand pays a visit.

>>80117603

Vlad achieved Golconda and no longer gives a fuck about vampire society.

>>80117669

All of the Camarilla Clans have reasons to want to interact with mortals. Even the Nos and Tremere, who have the least interest or ability in doing so.

>>80117806

They could also be obsessed with the art created by le opressed.

Or even more hilariously there might be a Toreador who's become an ascended memelord and is trying to control internet culture with what they've learned.

>>80117911
They're not JUST obsessive artists just like every Ventrue isn't a businessman.
A lot of things fall under the toreador banner, one of those being fickle socialites.

>>80117983

Vlad ascended? Was that in Gehenna nights?

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>>80116313
Mark Frankel ran rings around almost everyone in the show when it came to acting capability and talent. Arguably, the only ones that could keep up were Brian Thompson (the Brujah primogen) and Jeff Kober (the Nosferatu primogen). Losing him was a huge blow to the series, and it was probably the smartest move that they didn't attempt an asspull disappearance story or a recast.

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>>80117983
>Or even more hilariously there might be a Toreador who's become an ascended memelord and is trying to control internet culture with what they've learned.

Don't even joke about that shit anon

I love how everyone just accepts that every single portrayal of malks will always be shit.

>>80118030

Vlad was one of the earliest Inconnu they detailed.

>>80118053

Stacy Haiduk wasn't too bad when they remembered to give her something to do.

>>80117911

They often are composed of mortals that were the types of people who could reasonably be assumed to have been attention whores, also >>80117941

If anyone qualifies as the attention whore millenial stereotype, it's the nuBrujah who specifially go out of their way to build movements of (((counter-culture))) degenerates around themselves to stick it to muh man.

>>80116458
this isn't WoD. It's someone's tumblr with WoD's logo slapped onto it.

>>80118053
True, but wasn't the detective so bad that they turned Julian into the main character?

I mean it was originally "supposed" to be mostly about the detective investigating the death of his vamp waifu with Julian assisting him for his own ends wasn't it (it's been years since I rewatched it)

>>80117472
>Tzimisce

Faggoty freaks and alien muties. Lasombra FTW.

Fuck the Camarilla.

>>80118088

from my experience, most people lack the ability to finesse that line of lolsorandum and actually tying their flaws into something cohesive yet distinctive.

People have a tendency to go deadpool because they want to get people to laugh, so their instinct is to lean into wacky, zany shit.

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>>80118109
>this isn't WoD
>from the RPG company that brought you a thinly veiled allegory to gay people coming out

>>80118088

Malks are an interesting idea but executed very poorly. And made infinitely worse by people just playing Fishmalks up to whacky hijinks.

>>80118114
C Thomas Howell basically phoned it in the entire time, so yeah. It was pretty apparent he didn't really want to be there since day one.

>>80118066
He'd get doxx'd by Glass Walkers and called out as a scrublord.

>>80118137

I would unironically buy a Netflix or SyFy subscription if someone made a real attempt at Brian Lumley's Wamphyri stuff. They'd need to forcibly remove the main character's head from his anus but holy shit, can you imagine it?

>>80118222

Or the Nos.

But still, the ultimate in performance art in a new medium, for a new millenium. Would be exactly the kind of shit Toreador would go in for.

>>80118138
>>80118178
In my many years of tabletop, I have yet to find someone who knows what the fuck they're doing with Malkavians. It was so bad I used to despair if someone in the party was playing a Malk.

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>>80118222
>tfw no memewars splatbook

>>80118088
I've played with someone who did a very good job of it, he basically ripped off Chaos;Head in some parts, but it was well done

>>80113663
So we can get True Blood shit? no thanks.

>>80114699
I remember the Nosferatu character's hideous deformation was just being bald and kinda pale.

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>this thread

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>>80118088

Most people are just shit at characterization and restraint. The rare good Malk chatacter is fucking god-tier, but 99% of them are awful.

>>80118102

When I looked up the books, it is stated, 'allegedly'

Vlad is one of the first to rise above his maker before attaining any real age and he also was one of the other Tzimisce that helped protect the blood from the spirit's influence of flesh crafting, you'd need someone with those abilities to do anything against the sabbat.

Or perhaps bring in outside help by Harbingers. While few I doubt they're many in the world that could ever stop them.

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>>80118286
And have some fucked-up ears.

If I remember my lore correctly, they cheesed on his makeup because of an allergy or something, but in the show they explained he was purposefully trying to appear as human as possible as a sign he was maintaining the Masquerade or some such shit (ostensibly to gain permission to Embrace some kid). The Nos outcast they showed later was frightfully deformed in comparison.

>>80118286

Prosthetics tech and budget of the time didn't really allow for much more, and actors often don't like that stuff any way.

Granted they could have done a bit more to make him look monstrous.

>>80118368

>he also was one of the other Tzimisce that helped protect the blood from the spirit's influence of flesh crafting

Truly /our guy/

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>>80118260
The only good malk I've ever had in a game I run was some 50 year old quiet guy who I always trusted to run great characters. He basically played a gruff and grizzled alcoholic old man who had PTSD from things that haven't happened yet. It wasn't even played for laughs. It was very serious and enthralling. I wish I had recorded some of it.

>>80118368

Meh. If you want to fuck up the Tzimisce's shit, you get the Tremere or Shadow Lords to do it. Both have a mad hate-on for it and have proven themselves really successful over the years too.

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>>80116764

She looks like Spencer Rice in that episode of Kenny and Spenny where he has to pass himself off as a woman.

>>80116205
>this is no game
kill me

>>80113663
PSA

FOLLOW

twitchtv/lurkchan

IF YOU ARE A FAN OF THIS GAME

HE'S OUR BOY AND SPEEDRUNS THE GAME

I DONT NORMALLY SHILL BUT LURK IS BASED

>>80118405

Some shitter is gonna read that and make an epic Old Man Henderson Malk.

Hope you're happy faggot.

>>80118225
once you get to even 2 its too much for any network or studio for that matter, even comics couldn't handle it

>>80116249
Are you 14?
Salvatore is a terrible writer and his books literally redefined the term mary-sue.

>>80118430

I think 'correcting' them is more the thing, not just fucking them up. Since the bloodline needs to be rebuilt since they figured out a way to break the blood bonds.

Lasombra would wipe them out wholesale and wouldn't make a distinction, and Tremere need to be wiped out more than shovelheads. Salubri knights need to pay them a visit.

>>80113663
>Protagonist is Sabbat
sold

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>>80118300
It's pleasing to know that as cancerous as True Blood became and as wretched as Vampire Diaries is, there's still some patrician discourse remaining in the genre enough that there's hope it could be salvaged and become enjoyable entertainment again.

>>80118462

Just let me dream about seeing horrible fleshcrafting abominations making castles from the cartilage, bone, and tanned skin of humans they captured on night-time raids while riding monsters on an alien world, anon.

Actual mostrous vampires, not sparklyshit woe-is-me pretty boys for wailing fangirls to squee over.

>>80118368
>he also was one of the other Tzimisce that helped protect the blood from the spirit's influence of flesh crafting

That was only first edition canon though wasn't it?

>>80118430

>Unironically playing Tremere
>Falling for the Thaumaturgic Jew

Good goy

>>80118512
>there's hope it could be salvaged and become enjoyable entertainment again.
fuck no their isn't mormon fan-fic killed it for decades to come

>>80118512
>>80118512
I can't even make it through the first episode of true blood because of the main girl's tooth gap.
I've tried like 4 times but can never finish that first fucking episode.

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How would they portray the best clan?

>>80118445
I should specify, both speedruns and loves the game.

And looks like jake gyllenhaal irl.

>>80118477

He does a thing well enough to be a name, it isn't so much ability as brand that I was using there and no I'm not 14, but you need someone that has made a name in fantasy genre, that isn't dead or incapable of meeting a schedule and unfortunately GRRM isn't the only useless fuck in the field when it comes to fantasy.

So I'm using other categories for my thinking. Politics, brand, meeting deadlines, to craft something using a known quality whoever still desperate to stay relevant, who would you pick?

>>80118512
>Forever Knight is a Canadian television series about Nick Knight, an 800-year-old vampire working as a police detective in modern-day Toronto, Ontario.

kek, supernatural police procedurals have the funniest premises
>Grimm
>Special Unit 2
>Sleepy Hollow

>>80118504
If the Black Hand's theory about it being a corruption from the Deep Umbra is, in fact, the truth behind Vicissitude, then you're probably going to need Mages to separate it out from the bloodline. I'd argue Verbena, but since vamps are dead Life magick's not going to cut it.

>>80118528
how bout whats her face, femwhaypirelord, not to mention blood wars,, I mean the ending in the e-branch trilogy, fucking hell it would be just...damn, never going to happen tho

>>80118530

He dropped out of sight as they kept revising so it would be moot to point out the later stuff.

>>80118551

I watched it for Deborah Ann Woll, PTSD Man, Pam, and Gay Chef. The main characters were objectively terrible.

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>>80118511

>tfw Sabbat characterization was always shitty fedora-tier edgelords

>tfw they'll never be properly represented as the mirror of the Camarilla who is just out to destroy the Antediluvians and fight their influence at all costs instead of just trying to blend in and manipulate mortals.

>>80118551
I can only rewatch the first season, so I grok the fullness of your ordeal. It jumped the shark really quick after that, which shouldn't have been a surprise since the books are only a shade less trash than Laurell K Hamilton's shit. I could cherrypick stuff I liked from following seasons, but I still curse myself for watching it all the way through, damn my completionism.

>>80118564

AnCap Ventrue fledgling that was only turned due to saving some Ventrue scrub being attacked by Brujah ghouls dressed as sjws and has the weakness of only being able to feed on militant Communists.

>>80118564
Whoever created that pic spelled Giovanni wrong

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>>80113663
It would need a very impactful and unique art style to differentiate itself from all the pleb vampire tv shows.

>>80118574

Huh, I never thought about that but you're right..I thought Mages hate vampires though so you'd need to find leverage..and avoid getting paradox'd.

I was thinking of a way they could do it considering they need something greater usually to push their hand and most of the people powerful enough to leverage them with the blood either A) are sleeping, B) don't care, doing their own thing or are so worried about leaving their little plot of existence that they'd never seek outside help but Spirit is definitely the one that corrupted their blood.

They had plenty of power without vicissitude and to some degree lost their other abilities because they became so obsessively focused on it.

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This is the comfiest thread on /tv/ right now. Congratulations, vampfriends.

>>80118564
Yeah more like Ventjue

>>80118706

Mad Men and No Country for Old Men mixed with Dark City with a bit of Event Horizon and Black Swan might be an acceptable foundation to work from if there's someone on board who can mix all of them.

This >>80118706 + music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUNOfNad59Q

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>>80118741

We get to have a traveling thread, every now and then.

>>80118722

To be fair, quite a lot of what's in DSotBH is flat bonkers, which is why a lot of it is never followed up on.

I favoured the idea of Vicissitude being a contagion passed down from the Antedeluvian and the implication that anyone who'd drank from someone with the Discipline inherited and spread it, making the Sabbat's dreams of opposing the elders absolutely kek-worthy. They lost that battle centuries ago with the Vaulderie.

>>80118722
It would take, I think, at its basis a Prime-Spirit-Time-Correspondence rote of incredible magnitude to fully purge it from Tzimisce's bloodline, which means it would have to be performed in the Umbra to avoid Paradox, but it would also mean needing every single Tzimisce member, revenant, thrall, szlachta, vozhd, or anything else that's come into contact with their blood or with Vicissitude's disciplines to be in the Umbra at the same time, and there'd still be no guarantee they wouldn't just go poof from concentrated Entropic collapse. The logistics alone would be terrifyingly complex, and I don't even know how many Mages it would take to accomplish it.

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>>80118865

>best /a/ threads are on /k/
>best /int/ threads are on /sp/
>best /r9k/ threads are on /x/
>best /tv/ threada are on /pol/
>best /tg/ threads are on /tv/

Poetry

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>>80113663

>>80118916

Simpler options:

-Get the Tremere to cook up a Slay: Tzimisce ritual (for free)
-Get the Shadow Lords to kill them all (for free)
-Lure some Hunter Extremists onto their trail and watch the fireworks (for free)

Honestly genociding anyone who's come into contact with Vicissitude is the easier option. Mages might not even be able to do anything about it if it does spring from the Antedeluvian, either.

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I have a feeling if a new Vampire show based on the oWoD was made today it would get fucked beyond belief by producers that don't understand it and they'd try to make it like all the dumb relationship drama vampire shit that's been coming out the past ten years.

>>80118916

It seems like it would be easier to focus on the ones already not marred by the change, as to disconnect them from the blood and make them their own thing, than change the entire blood line, so it would take two lesser rituals instead of trying to drag..I mean how many sabbat are there..hundreds of thousands, millions? A good number of those would be bond-broken Tzimisce. The non-viscissitudic tzimisce are small in number, so it would be easier to separate them, since the others are already disconnected from the sire lines and have using koldunic sorcery to bond themselves together in their group blood rites.

Though my knowledge of mage is woefully lacking, that seems more of a move that could be done with fewer in number, and avoid gehenna level move that might wake up something.

>>80118915

The politics of tzimisce are convoluted for many reasons concerning their territorial politics, fighting other clans/camarilla, themselves.

I agree they lost but making peace with usurpers and traitors of blood seems a battle that should be waged even if it is a losing war. They will never stop attacking the old lords.

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>>80119153
>Love triangle bullshit between a female Toreador MC and her Chad Ventrue and moody, dark-with-a-tormented-past Brujah love interests

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>>80119087

>Honestly genociding anyone who's come into contact with Vicissitude is the easier option.

This. Magic in WoD is tsundere at best and by no means guaranteed to be permanent.

The Tremere and Tzimices' sacrifices will be remembered in the coming Vampreich

t. Lasombra

>>80117198
If they were the edgy faggot of today, it would be a blast i think. i wanna see far right nosferatu men who turn by option along with the faggy hollywood types who get turned ironically.

I always thought alot of the other types were pretty faggy, save for the Tremere.

Im a Nos for life though baby.

>>80117500
Ventrues majority maybe, no Toreadors though. Nos, I think, depending. The rest I don't think they care.

>>80119153

Just point to game of thrones, that is easy enough for them to understand, and would act as a shield against the true bloods and vampire diaries of the world.

>>80118533

Unironically my favourite Clan. I just liked how everything was a Mtroshka doll of stupid with them.

>oh shit magic is going away and our immortality spells are failing
>lets become vampires so we can be immortal
>oh shit now we can't use magic at all and the other vamps hate us because we ate their friends
>well we'll have to be a tight-knit, cohesive group to avoid getting killed right off the bat
>oh shit now we're blood bound to each other and have to do whatever retarded stuff the elders say
>we'll make some really strong sorcerous critters to defend us from everyone else
>oh shit the gargoyles hate us and they're all freakishly strong and freakishly tough and someone taught them sorcery too
>uh oh our clan leader has secretly been taken over and we might have always been working for someone else

You spend the whole time trying to spin your latest fuck-up into Just As Planned so the elders don't eat you. But hey, you get fireballs.

>>80119195
Nos wouldn't give a shit don't kid yourself.

>>80117500
>vampires
>voting
They don't care who wins the election, they run shit regardless.

>>80119087

I honestly don't think the great spirit would let it happen. Their powers unlike mages are limited to blood magic rituals and are inherently inferior to other magics in the world let alone the corrupted Tzimisce wouldn't go softly in the night. It would make Hollywood tunnels seem like a picnic. Flesh crafted hordes trampling the earth in search of usurpers trying to fry them.

>>80119269

This. A starting vamp could easily have the right Disciplines to waltz into the White House and make the President their bitch, never mind what the ones that are over a thousand years old can do.

>>80119241

haha oh that is a beautiful literagy for the usurpers be continual fuckups.

Salubri's ultimate revenge is pulling them altogether so tightly that they can all be killed off far more easily than any other of the blood.

>>80119153
Almost undoubtedly if it came through any of the major producers.

>>80119087
>Tremere
Not powerful enough, and would require a shitload more blood than anyone would want them having possession of. Plus, trust issues.

>Shadow Lords
Not numerous enough and have no way of identifying whether or not some of that shit's managed to slip away to propagate elsewhere. Tzimisce haven't been using them as guard dogs and rugs for centuries by being pushovers to Shadow Lord tactics.

>Hunters
Do you WANT more szlachta? Because that's how you get more szlachta. It also keeps Vicissitude in play because szlachta.

>spring from the Antedeluvian
That's why Prime and Time are necessities. Gotta ratchet all the way back to the source if it's going to have any effect on anything that came after, though if it does work like Black Hand says then they won't have to go back nearly as far on the timeline to purge it. Probably better safe than sorry and crank it back all the way, just to be sure, even if it basically means robbing Tzimisce of Protean as a bloodline discipline forever.

In any case, there is no 'simpler', whether it's a genocide or a sorcerous slate wipe, both are super pains in the ass and more than likely not possible given the conditions oWoD function under.

>>80118682
>not Tzimisce

You wanna make vampires scary again give one of those creepy fucks a scene or two.

>>80119288

You could do something like a modified version of the Night of the Red Heart ritual (or whatever it's called, the one that goes from dusk till dawn and kills the target unless they manage to flee some ungodly distance that nobody ever manages) directed at multiple targets.

You might need Etrius or one of the Seven to design and lead the ritual but there's certainly precedent for it, what with Tremere offing the entirety of the Sabbat Tremere in a single night.

>>80117500

>Young Ventrue (>implying their elders aren't behind the establishments of both major parties)

>True Brujah

>Jaded Toreador Elders who want something new

>Malks attracted by the insanity of memes

>Lasombra who are laughing at the Ventrue Elders getting BTFO

>Tremere with an interest in meme magic

>Tzimiscec who don't want their homelands caught in the crossfire of WW3

>>80119241

They're my favorite clan too, it's like you said though, they're incompetent Vampjews that still always manage to give the impression that they come out on top. It's like a Clan of immortal North Koreans

>>80119258
The Nos hack things around for their advantage. And in both the games, you meet their hackers, who still think like they did before. I think alot of Nos are ascended, like Tung. But the some of Nos hackers on Shrek net are goofballs who would be into it. They would probably be on here calling us fags n shit

>>80119381
>creepy fucks

You mean the incestuous family of backstabbing vamps that are only united because practically every other clan hates them?

>>80119344

>Do you WANT more szlachta? Because that's how you get more szlachta. It also keeps Vicissitude in play because szlachta.

Imbued are immune to that shit. And using their borrowed angelic powers, one of the Hunters was able to tag Lucifer himself with a wound that will never heal. I mean sure, Lucifer then deleted the poor bastard from existence, but you can imagine the magnitude of power Extremists are tossing around.

As for the rest, if there was a dedicated Tribe/Clan effort, you never know.

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>>80117667
sunlight blankets

>>80119465
Imbued are immune to being affected, but they aren't immune to becoming carriers and passing it on to things that aren't immune. The risk isn't worth whatever reward for trying some sort of global purge scorched-earth policy.

>>80119444
I don't see them really caring at all about elections unless there was some direct financial gain or like you said for shits and giggles.

>>80119447
Call 'em what you want but fleshsculpting is fucking terrifying.

>>80119388

my counter is they couldn't even manage to finish off the Salubri. And they were least violent of all the children. To point of being healers and knights.

Finishing off someone that has same strengths and weaknesses is easier than taking on someone that has powers way different from yours and have been surrounded by enemies in their territory the entire time. The Tzimisce have been soil bound their entire existence which gives them one of the greatest weaknesses. They're still alive even after hordes of their children broke their chains, and enemies surrounded them..Still alive. I just don't see it. They're the hardest breed for a reason.

I mean they lose tremere from Sabbat and gain only warrior sect of cappadocians that ever existed, meaning they have only magic user than can innately control the undead of all levels and so feared while only being a handful.

You may be right, it has some intriguing notions but magic never quite works the way you're expecting it too. You try to wipe them out and you accidentally send them back in time to fuck the timeline up or accidentally give them magical immunity..or some other beneficial tragic side effect.

>>80119476

>mfw there's a newbie-level Thaumaturgy ritual to let you wander around in sunlight as long as you're in your lair
>inquisition agents are crawling all over the city looking for targets and drop me off the list when they see me pottering around in my glasshouse at mid-day
>inquisition kill half the fanged asshats in town because they can't into masquerade and i actually get to back to the Pyramid and report Just As Planned has happened

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>>80119381
Yeah, but then all you'll have are Albert Weskers chewing the scenery and turning people into Gumby, all taffy-limbed and shit.

>>80119503

They're immune to both, anon. The Sight and the Messengers see to that.

They can't even be Blood Bound or Ghouled either, much less Embraced.

I'm not sure if Vicissitude works on dead flesh or not but that's the only opening the Fiends have.

>>80119580
Vicissitude does work on dead flesh. And you still have the problem of not nearly enough hunters to scour the planet of everything Tzimisce has touched over the centuries.

>>80119536

OTOH, how many of the Salubri are actually left? They did a pretty complete job of wiping them out. They were making a decent go at the Tzimisce too before they got bored and started jacking off to Thaumaturgy instead.

But it is the WoD. And one of the old Storyteller books had as its first rule for STs (DMs/GMs for other game lines) "Everything the players do will backfire on them horribly."

So even odds on it working but the Tremere being infected with Vicissitude from top to bottom as a side effect and it accidentally breaking the bonds on Kupala who goes on a rampage and wipes out Vienna or whatever any way even if it does work.

>>80119683

Now that sounds like a great gehenna night's premise. Or an amazing episode of The Twilight Zone.

>>80119614

Depends on how far the Messengers want to push it really. It's strongly implied that they're trying to do their thing on the down-low to avoid attention from higher up (IE, God) for fucking around with creation after having been forbidden to interfere after that whole Nephilim thing back in the day.

If they wanted to activate all of humanity at once, or go down directly and get their hands dirty themselves...

>>80119683
>how many of the Salubri are actually left?
7, though that could be bullshit, and not counting furies

>>80119725
Neither of which they're in any position to do, because of the avoiding attention thing. If they'd been capable of it, they'd have done it already. Ultimately, their intervention isn't something you can place faith in, and it won't ever be enough to accomplish the goal because of the restrictions.

>>80119725

I was under the assumption belief literally powered all of the races though, and brought about God's existence, and Angels are more or less holy automatons.

agreed, op. kindred the embraced was ok, I'd say the nosferatu was best of those characters

>>80119514
If there ever were an election

>>80119834

One of the Time of Judgement scenarios for Hunter is the Messengers going "fuck this shit, let's just do it" and flipping the switch on everyone to wipe the world clean.

The Messengers seem to be uncertain as to whether God is around any more, or cares about creation any more. There's only one way to find out and they aren't too eager to put it to the test in case the big G rolls back into town to smite everyone.

>>80119842

I think that's the Mage cosmology, but that's at odds with everyone else's. Especially that of Hunter/Demon.

>>80119958

I thought that was view of Demon as well though.

>>80113663
Old or New WOD or just the game

>>80118088
it's what happened to deadpool

>>80120376

Some Demons, maybe. Their time in the Abyss has caused a few of them to come out with incomplete or fractured memories and not remember what really happened.

Vampire, Demon, and Hunter lay on the Judeo-Christian theology pretty thick, though White Wolf largely avoided committing to it in case a solid answer pissed off their fanbase. It was only in the ToJ stuff that they really started saying "yup God did it" and even then they were quick to sidebar it with "but if that doesn't work for your Chronicle, then God didn't do it! It's a mystery!"

I wish they'd either shat or got off the plot, but when they decided on making everything one setting you run into issues, because the Vamp lore contradicts the Mage lore which contradicts the Changeling lore which contradicts...

It's one of the reasons they backed way the hell off the unified setting in later editions.

Well, that and Sam Haight shenanigans.

>>80116226
Aren't we some obnoxious hipster mouthbreathers you and I, anon? What a pair of rascals, lol.

>>80119683
>>80119767
Isn't 7 a choice though? I seem to remember (and correct me if I'm wrong) but they choose to keep it at 7 just like the sith do with Rule of 2, for safety or some shit

>>80120749
The knights numbered few until return of salubri during gehenna

>>80120749

The more there are, the more likely it is that someone will find them and try to kill them off again, yeah. Plus it lets STs tell their players to fuck off if they want to play a super special snowflake.

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>>80113663
>There will not be a movie about a Venture/Toreador/Malkavian vampiress seducing your human ass into life as a ghoul so she could enjoy your human d. Eventually she'll ask permission to Embrace you because you're more then just a blood doll to her.

Kill me.

>>80120530
I just mean. True faith is bound to belief in faith which is how it can work across so many different ideas and religion. Because enough humans believed something and it brought them into being including vampires. It also explains old God's disappearing. Since belief gave them . Power. It also gives a definitive answer to chicken and egg theological problems. For all we know book of nod is new new new testament. Maybe humanity was around and caine became first vampire amongst humans. Kind of like vlad impaler killing tons of people and helping to fuel idea of vampires in real world.

>>80120899

"Things become real if you believe in them hard enough" is Mage's cosmology in a nutshell. They even fight a war to determine what humanity collectively believes in as the core conflict of the line.

Mostly it's just the writers very heavily implying God is real for the core of the setting and then other lines, especially Mage, not wanting to go there and having their own cosmology instead.

>>80120892
What movie? and do they fug?

>>80120899
Problem is oWoD game lines don't play nice with each other and have at points mutually exclusive parts of backstory, lore or whatever you want to call it. Trying to make them all fit together somehow is an exercise in futility because they were never designed to fit.

>>80121022

Paris, Je t'amie. It's a anthology movie. They become obsessed with each other, she eventually turns him and they feed on each others blood like they're giving each other hickeys.

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>>80119536
Tremere fucked up Salubri by ruining their reputation when they branded them as infernalists and diablerists. Half of which was true, admittedly, just not the way exaggerated fear mongering took to it.

>>80120892
Why didn't frodo just have the eagles fly the vampire away to mtn. Doom?

>>80121070
I've seen people do it. It is just highly arcane. And well people intelligent to do all of this realize they have advantages in various biases that make up their world. So politics begins. Depending on who you favor. Race. Clan. Etc. If you have garou players. Who does belief benefit most. Goncolda vampires or the weres. With thin twin bond.

>>80120685
Fuck off reddit you wouldn't know a masterpiece if it shat in your mouth.

>>80121104

Vampire clans needed their own Jews. Tremere is the punching bag and it was entirely deserved at one point. Unfortunately Vampires have long memories.

>>80118088
Because Fishmalk is the easiest kind to get the idea "Malkavian madness" across. It doesn't always manifest as total, barely coherent insanity, but that stereotype does its job.

>>80116205

Vin Diesel will make a kino D&D movie some day.

>>80121166
Giovanni deserve it as much if not moreso than tremere. Salubri were enemies of mages. Giovanni were inter clan.

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>>80116205
Because they went overboard and I suspect a WoD adaptation would be equally as bad with constant nods and references. Just tell a good vampire story that happens to be set in WoD. Like how you could at Near Dark as basically a Sabbat nomads movie, with some liberties of course, without ever spelling it out.

What the fuck was her problem. Brujah's can't all be edgelords, can they? It's one of the reasons why I can never get behind the Anarch's. They're all portrayed as shitheads with attitude problems.

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>>80121256
forgot picture.

>>80121256
>Brujah's can't all be edgelords, can they?

They're not edgelords, they're rebels without a cause. Or more accurately rebels who just want to fight the fight because it feels good without actually any long-term plans.

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>>80113663
HE DOESN'T KNOW

>>80121256
>>80121272
They turned the TSUNDERE dial up to maximum when designing her.

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>"Good evening."

>>80121160
Masterpiece = anooyingly shit film am I right? I love irony.

>>80121369

>"I'm not one to predicate a decision based on conjecture, so, what I need, is fact.'

>*Opens the Sarcophagus based on pure conjecture*

>>80121885

He was rattled as fuck and desperate so he forewent his own doctrine.

It didn't end well.

>>80114699
This show reaffirmed two simple truths. Nosferatu are top tier. Bruja are garbage.

>>80120892
Why is Marilyn Manson sniffing Elijah Wood?

Never mind, that answers its own question.

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>>80122084

DELET THIS LEAVE OLGA ALONE

>>80120478
Old, assuming its the best

>>80120478
Old, otherwise you need to work Children of The Crone in and that's just gay