>Budget: $40 million >Box office: $15.5 million What

The world is full of plebs

Hugo:
budget: 9000 billion
box officeL 100 million

>>80052247

Everyone agrees the Japs were justified in their actions

>>80052247
I guess people nowadays don't care about a film about religion even if someone as great as Scorsese is directing it. It's a shame because it was a fantastic film probably my favorite this year (although I liked Moonlight quite a bit).

>>80052313
but there is an interesting question for me, as a christian:
would jesus christ denounced god to redeem the world?

>>80052247

>marketing
>too long
>slow paced
>nothing really happens
>expecting persecution of catholics in mostly catholic USA
to sell
>the posterboy actor is only shown at the end eventho the poster clearly shows he's just the reason for the 2 priests' journey

liberals don't like religious kino

No advertising what so ever at all?

>>80052362
>in mostly catholic USA
what?!

>>80052247
(((They))) made it had shit distribution


(((They))) also made it it wasn't even nominated for anything at the Oscars

>>80052442
This.

Honestly I thought "silence" + "religious movie" meant it'd be some drama about priests molesting kids.

Apparently it's some religious Last Samurai?

It was one of Scorsese's weakest movies but is being praised by pseuds who haven't watched many movies

>>80052247
I forgot to see it in the cinemas, that's what

>>80052247
>a film about christfags getting raped in japan
>long as fuck
>now playing in 30 theaters across the nation for two weeks

nigga

>>80052362
The US is not mostly Catholic.

>>80052356
I'm Catholic myself, and as a Christian I can tell you your question is impossible: it is by announcing the Lord that you save the world, not by denouncing Him. It is better to die a martyr and let the Lord take care of the message it sends, than to refute His existence.

>>80052247
What the fuck costed 40 million on this?

>>80052313
>Implying that Scorsese criticize japanese people

it sucked

/thread

>>80053246

Shooting on location probably, not to mention some of those ocean scenes

>>80052705
>being this much of a pleb
"Where was the drug-taking and the rolling stones soundtrack?"

>>80053158
Yes, but how about all those innocent people that did denounce God, and still got punished.

>>80053158
but wouldn't denouncing God be the greatest act of love, dedication, commitement and sacrifice?

the japanese have culturally cucked the world with anime and videogames

that's why you get so many people praise something like Your name while angrily attacking this movie because "the japanese did nothing wrong! how dare this movie show things!" despite it being the adaptation of a book from a japanese guy

>>80053402
>Gimme Shelter starts playing

>>80052247
Because movie goers are now mostly millenial twats who rather watch degeneracy and action.

>>80053246

Shooting on locations costs. Crew and paying their salaries. It is expensive, especially because these high tier directors work with high tier employees. Every grip, every operator etc. is top of the class and that means their salaries are pretty big as well.

If this didn't have Scorsese on the poster nobody would have pretended it was anything more than average.

>>80053516
Other way around; if it didn't have Scorsese on the poster, it would have been praised as a radically daring, overlooked indie film that could have never been made by hollywood

>>80053556
Yeah that's why films like War Room and Heaven is For Real were massive flops....

Oscars

>>80052344
>be me, not an atheist, more like non-believer
>ask atheist gf to watch prince of egypt with me, which is god tier animation(no pun intended)
>gf doesnt want to watch because "it's a religious movie"
>meanwhile can watch movies like the matrix with clear buddhist views
>go to watch silence this year
>the cinema room is about 20/150 seats filled
>the movie is one of the best ive seen in a while
>see the oscars nominees for best picture and so on. none for silence. jew'd
>people are stupid. every movie has ideals in them. deal with it and see movies for how good they really are.

>>80053711
Doesn't really gel when Hacksaw Ridge was just as christfag and directed by the most famous anti jew on the planet.

>>80052247
Non-Christians didn't care for the preaching, and Christians didn't like it because he denounces Christ at the end just to save some stupid peasant's lives.

>>80052247
And now Scorsese's working for Netflix

>>80053747
Hacksaw Ridge was a box office success. The oscars academy needs to take this to consideration. They cant go full retard and not include something like it. Then, there's Silence which was a flop. Who's going to complain? That's right, the 1% who actually went to see it and liked it. That's just noise for them. Take note that Im only theorizing here. Dont get butthurt

>>80053402
>where is the teeth
>where is the energy
>where are the interesting characters
>where is the introspection
>where is the ethnic and religious introspection

Instead we got Garfield watching people die from afar and whisper

>>80053890
>>where is the teeth
>>where is the energy
>>where are the interesting characters
>>where is the introspection
>>where is the ethnic and religious introspection
Literally all present constantly (except the energy, it was slow-paced). Are you blind?

Everyone knew this film would suck from get go, just look at the fucking premise for fuck's sake

>>80053747
and yet Hacksaw Ridge won nothing

What a (((coincidince)))

>>80054147
I'll have you know it swept the Australian Oscars.

>>80052247

It was a personal novelty project. Those fail 99% of the time to catch the mainstream audiences attention.

>>80054192
Ya Naw
Fuck off ya cunt

>>80052247
>a martin scorsese picture

>>80054270
I'll be honest. I lost all interest when I see Scorsese's name and it's not about crime.

>>80053444
The first act of love is the act of Truth, wouldn't you say so? Getting something through lies ain't the way of God, as I understand it.

>>80054283
fuckin pleb

go watch After Hours or Bringing out the Dead

>>80054069
There was nothing visceral
There were no interesting characters
There was nothing new about the Catholic faith revealed or stated that hasn't already been explored in his previous, better movies

>>80054427
You can say the words, but they're all so wrong. If you didn't think anything new about faith was shown, that the characters were uninteresting, that the film wasn't visceral, I can only assume you weren't paying attention and recommend you watch it again

Abrahamics are a cancer on every nation they have ever been in. Japan did nothing wrong.

>>80052356
Did you even watch the movie? Neither Sebastiao or Ferreira really denounce God. That's like the whole point of their characters, and the movie also asks the same question and it's answer seems to be that yes, Jesus would have done the same thing they did.

>>80052676
It's about the silence of God, you hopeless pleb.

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>>80052459
Largely Catholic but not mostly. Very few of them in the southeast.

http://graphics.wsj.com/catholics-us/

>>80054819
Jesus was literally put on the cross because he refused to renounce his claim he was the messiah and spoke for God

>>80053158
You do realize Jesus sacrificed himself to "save" everyone else, right? And not just becuase of his belief in God? That's the same predicament the priests find themselves in in the film. They didn't really denounce God, they just pretended to so they could save the innocent souls of the kirishtan japs. They actually understood that Christianity is more than DUDE LE MARTYRDOM LMAO.

Too much silence.

>>80054819
>"But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven." - Jesus, Matthew 10:33

>"I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God." - Jesus, Luke 12:8-9

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Pretending to denounce and denouncing are considered the same thing. It's not a religion of concealment. You could argue that they shouldn't have gone into Asia, but that's a separate issue.

>>80053493
The movie wasn't even criticizing Japs. If anything, it was criticizing the church for trying to impose their beliefs lf cultures that don't want it. The argumentes made by the inquisitor and his translator were sound.

>>80054979
That was the reason he was crucified by the romans, that is not the reason why he died. Read a fucking book for once.

>>80055005
>believing in drivel written by the catholic jew

>>80052247
>an Oscar bait film with no Oscar buzz
>Screener leaked while it was in theaters

Pretty obvious to see what happened. Scorsese should stick to fucking gangster flicks, his the GOAT when it comes to crime drama and he's obviously way past his prime. Fingers crossed he lives long enough to do the Irishman

>>80055038
If a murderer holds a gun to someone's head and says he'll shoot unless you denounce your faith, surely the christian thing to do is pretend to renounce to save that life no?
What if it's a bomber and a hundred people will die? A thousand?

It's a difficult question because it's one thing to be true to yourself, but protecting other people is a virtue that must rank pretty fucking high
There is no obvious answer, you can quote scripture but it's not that simple when it's other peoples' lives that are at risk

>>80055068
>it was criticizing the church for trying to impose their beliefs lf cultures that don't want it

But the peasants did want it. It was only the Shogunate fearing possible uprising by Christians that they began the persecution and attempts to get rid off it.

>>80055236
No, the christian thing to do is to refuse to denounce your faith. Let God deal with what happens and with the souls of the victims, if you denounce your faith it means you don't have it and fear more the actions of a mortal

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Why is god silent? Doesn't he want to save people?

>>80055236
god isn't a utilitarian, he's an abusive and jealous boyfriend that demands your undying adoration.

>>80052247
>What went wrong?

It's quite possibly the most boring movie ever.

>>80055438
faith is worthless if it isn't tested by doubt

>>80055438
Ultimately we have to save ourselves/want to be saved.

>>80055268
> It was only the Shogunate fearing possible uprising by Christians

The issue wasn’t the peasant’s religious beliefs, it’s that the Catholic Church was actively trying to subvert Japan to European colonization.

The Japanese had only to look at China to see what that would get them.

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>>80055068
Yeah, lol. Never mind that the chink who wrote the book was a Catholic, and that, at the time, Japan had hundreds-of-thousands of converts.
Christians were burned alive at first, but tsurushi became the most common form of torture because it was considered more demeaning. Both Europeans, and Japanese were tortured to death.
Pic related. It's a Japanese Christian being tortured to death. LOLZORZ maybe if he realised that his culture didn't want it or something he wouldn't have been a Christian. What an idiot! By the way, the pit which the stupid chink in the picture is hanging over would have been full of excrement. It's justified though lol.

>>80055575
Why even demand faith? Just show up.

I want krishtians dead and anzu's tongue in my ass.

>>80055597
And how does god showing up prevent that? Hint: it doesn't and there is no dog.

>>80053711
>not an atheist, more like non-believer
Thats the same thing dumbass. The word you're looking for is antitheist

>>80055644
Maybe if christian missionaries didn't feel the retarded need to force everyone to think like them, they wouldn't have been tortured?

>be spanish
>be force-fed christianity your entire life
>hear that some japanese people aren't christian
>decide it's your duty to tell them how wrong they are
>even though historically, this always leads to revolution or war
>even after they offer to let you fuck off scot free
>get tortured
>"Im being oppresed!"

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>>80055644
Some people might do that kind of thing for fun

>>80055801
t. weeb

you wouldn't say such things if they were "forcing" muslims to convert

>>80055884
if who was forcing muslims to convert? the christian missionaries?
if a christian missionary went to syria and got kidnapped and tortured by isis, i'd have very little sympathy for them

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>>80055884
>you wouldn't say such things if they were "forcing" muslims to convert

You mean the Muslims who had carried out brutal invasions and occupations of Spain and elsewhere in Europe?

>>80052247
Tried to DL this on the bay last night. The 2 gig one was still potato quality. Went to download a different one and now the bay is down or some shit.

It's another one of those "religion really makes me think, but lets never actually go into pro religion territory, we like it more when it's ambiguous, private and hidden from the public eye" films.

So, no, I have no interest whatsoever in seeing this. More Hollywood trash.

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>>80056462

Seriously, it's boring as fuck and I really like historical dramas.

Also, casting Spiderman as the star instead of Kylo Ren, was a huge mistake. Despite only getting a handful of lines, Adam Driver acted circles around the other guy and he should have been cast as the star.

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>>80056912
>religion really makes me think

>>80056989
What's your point? A lot of Hollywood liberals who aren't rabbidly anti religion love to mention and "explore" it without actually exploring it. It's like an esoteric street cred project to them. Just like casting a nigger as a secondary character and then marketing him as the main one.

It's degrading and overdone at this point.

Haven't watched Scorsese's version yet but has anyone seen both the 2016 and 1971 versions? How do they compare?

>>80055318
lel this is so fucking wrong it's not even funny, you are not christ, and christ's sacrifice actually fucking meant something. If there are lives on the line that you can save, pretending to denounce god is absolutely the right and faithful thing to do, anything else is an arrogant imitation of martyrdom. Fucking read the god damned catechism and the saints writings you fucking turbo-plebs.

>>80052247
Normies don't like silent movies

>>80057058
>GAHHH LIBERALS
>IF IT ISN'T PRO RELIGION IT ISN'T INSIGHTFUL!
spoken like a true idealogue

An idiot with faith is worthless to god, how easy it must be for an idiot to believe

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>>80056960
You would say the opposite if Driver apostatized and Garfield was killed early on. It's always the cameo role that kills an audience.

>>80057322
Triggered idealogue detected.
All films about religion are either this or God's Not Dead. I'm just sick of the same liberal ambiguous message they always peddle to us because they're not really making a movie about religion. They're doing a vanity and street cred project and go to big lengths to mask actual religiousness in it.

It's degrading for the art of movies and it certainly won't draw the target audience into cinemas.

>>80052247

>go see this
>gf falls asleep
>have to constantly shake her because she often snores or talks in her sleep
>at one point when i wake her up she stands up and starts sleepily turning around and swearing
>leave the theater as adam driver is being forced to watch the christjaps drown while andrew garfield is watching from a distance because i'm so mortified at her behavior

i tried to find time to see it later but it wasn't showing anymore anywhere

this is why i don't take her to the movies anymore i just go by myself. take a note robots you can get around the "no singles" policy if you fill out the "my girlfriend is fucking horrendous at the movies" waiver form

>>80055644
They show this in the movie... its kinda a huge part of the plot

>>80057491
>ha, I'm going to recycle your insult!
Your banter is poor but alright

Why, in your opinion, is the only religious insight that is valuable the a strictly pro religious one? Silence explores an element of catholic faith, martyrdom, and that is valuable to both people who do and don't believe in it. You could make an argument that it's specific message is redundant and has already been explored, but that would be an interpretation of the theme, and extremely subjective.

Do you really need a movie to tell you a religion is good? Frankly speaking, an atheist who hates christianity would only see the christian missionaries as ridiculous buffoons, so this movie is obviously not geared towards them. You at least have to understand and respect the faithful to get anything out of this movie.

>tfw the buddhists got rekt only a century later by shinto

>>80057638
What I say:
>all Hollywood movies are this same shit
How you strawman me:
>YOU'RE A CHRISTKEK WHO CAN'T HANDLE DIVERSITY IN MOVIES

>movie pays lip service but never goes deep into belief
>main character rejects all he believes, but does he? *so deep and original*
Yeah, I'm not watching this picture for the hundrteth time.
You're a cunt anon. Til' next time.

>>80052505
Movie stared a Jew.

Stay mad Ahmed

>>80057633
I haven't seen the film, so I have no idea what they included in it.

>>80057638
>Silence explores an element of catholic faith, martyrdom, and that is valuable to both people who do and don't believe in it.
>valuable to both people who do and don't believe in it

Stop deluding yourself, no one gives a shit about the mental struggles you face in your reality-denying apocalyptic death cult.

>>80057882
Not a christian you fucking faggot, to what extent one should sacrifice themeselves for a belief is a valuable theme. That and people of every idealogy delude themselves into thinking they are some sort of christ like figure.

>refuse christianity
>condemn your country to irrelevancy and backwardness until you get westernized anyway with less friendly means

>>80058050
>to what extent one should sacrifice themeselves for a belief
That's not what it was about.

>>80057761
>all Hollywood movies are this same shit
This is an inarguable statement because your criteria for how they are all the same was that none of them were "pro" religion.

>How you strawman me:
>YOU'RE A CHRISTKEK WHO CAN'T HANDLE DIVERSITY IN MOVIES
leave it to an idealogue to not see irony

>movie pays lip service but never goes deep into belief

>main character rejects all he believes, but does he? *so deep and original*
the point is that we know he fucking doesn't, and there is far more to it then that. Religious self importance is not just delusional, it's a disrespectful mockery of Christ, that is the theme I got out of it at least. Like I said, we could argue to all day to no avail what the theme actually is, but you can't do that as easily with other movies about religion.

>>80052247
Normies have shit taste

Limited release, it generally wasn't in theatres for very long

I fell asleep in the theater about 2/3rds the way through the movie.

again: Jesus denouncing god and fucking his own salvation up for the people would be impressing. It's worse than death. It's eternal condemnation. For the people. Eternal suffering. Because this is the love.

>>80058178
>le your opinion is not an argument
>it's not about being a vanity project in the same vein, it's just about not being pro religion
You should off yourself.

>>80054863
Well we're about half a century past Vatican II and the rest of Christianity is dead, so sorry I don't know your obscure theology.

>>80057783
Then why are you even posting your retarded opinion? Dumb nigger.

Most people never even heard of it, also just like The Hateful Eight people didn't even know when it was coming out since it seemed to open at different times in different locations.

The movie kinda seemed to me, to illustrate the false pretense of the japanese elite when faced to the modernized west and how arrogant one can be under the hand of religion.

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>>80058241
Prove it's a vanity project you stupid cunt

or qualify that statement with some fucking evidence

You can't because you are a fucking pleb who is trying to rationalize liking movies that validate your shallow fucking interpretation of Christianity

pic is a movie you would never be able to understand

>>80058286
I've read the book, and I've seen the 1971 film by Masahiro Shinoda. Someone made a stupid comment in which he misinterpreted the work as, essentially, pro-torture. Unless Martin made his own changes (even though he's Catholic, isn't he?) then the guy was completely wrong.

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>>80058357
>YOU DONT LIKE UNRELATED MOVIE BECAUSE ITS NOT CHRISTIAN
>*posts a great Christian movie*
>I bet you don't like this one either hah-ha

They manipulated the priest, in the end he didn't save anyone for they continued their persecution of christians.

>>80058422
Prove silence isn't a christian movie
or give some fucking reasoning as to why it's not

you already admitted to not fucking seeing it so off to a bad fucking start

The priest also lacked necessary knowledge of japan to accuse the tolerance of budhism and shintoism but not christianity.

>>80058521
showing a situation when apostasy is the way to praise God is bretty much blasphemic imho

>>80058521
If I don't like non Christian films, I should hate Andrei Rublev? What the fuck? What kind of a fucktard are you? I'm still hung up on retardedness of your earlier post.

>>80054147
Wrong.

Hacksaw Ridge won Best Sound Mixing and Best Film Editing.

>>80057215
You know early christians were persecuted, fed to the lions etc, right?

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>>80058865
Good goy.

>>80058913
"Early Christians were Baptists" tier

>>80055726
I'll go with the other anon. Atheism, despite the etymology, nowadays means rejection of all god-related concepts.

>>80058964
christians are brainwashed cucks

>>80052247
God what a depressing movie it was. Until the very end I was pulled down by the emotional gravity Scorsese expertly creates. I watched it a second time and everything about it takes on a new life in my mind. Shame it didn't get more recognition. But as Andrew Garfield's character teaches us, over time that can change.

>>80052281
This is part of it. The other part is the release schedule and amount of theaters that screened it. I wasn't able to see it until a month after the "wide release" and I live in a city of around 200k.

>>80053711
>>meanwhile can watch movies like the matrix with clear buddhist views

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>>80057396
>You would say the opposite if Driver apostatized and Garfield was killed early on.

No, Garfield isn't much of an actor, he sucked in Mel Gibson's WWII movie also.

"Silence" would have at least been watchable if Driver had been in the staring roll (with someone other than Garfield in the supporting role).

>>80052247
anytime marty makes something that does not feature gangsters and criminals - he gets ignored.

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>>80058356
>illustrate the false pretense of the japanese elite when faced to the modernized west

You mean the colonizing West.

Spain wasn't looking to trade and spread and Western values, they want to take over the whole operation just as they'd done everywhere else.

The Japanese were actually cool at first with the Portuguese Jesuits, who were smart enough to adapt to the Japanese culture and actually learn the language and fly under the radar but the Spanish and Franciscans on the other hand, were arrogant violent assholes who saw the Japanese as savages and were clearly looking to colonize Japan and the Japanese quite rightly kicked them out.

>>80059291
i live in a 14+ million city and i still can't see it

>>80052247
(non-meme answer)
The studio must have wanted it to fail, there's no other explanation for the complete lack of marketing for the movie until we got a trailer and a poster that looked like it was made in an hour with the release date only a few weeks away. They treated it like Fant4stic, except Silence was actually good. No idea what the fuck happened but I hope Scorsese doesn't get the blame by the studios. I don't know whether the Irishman coming out on Netflix is a good or bad thing

>>80056367
There has never been a muslim empire

>>80052247
Nothing, Scorsese has been making bullshit since Gangs of New York in order to get the commercial leverage to make Silence, knowing since 1978 that it would die the death at the box-office.

>>80052247
It didnt have explosions or men in colored suits flying around.

And the dumb christian masses of murica thought this was going to be a film about how christianity prevails in the face of adversity when it was anything but.

Now speaaking about the film; I loved it. An in depth study of how meaningless faith is in reality. How circumstancial it all is and how easily altered it is. The scene where Ferreira tells Rodriguez that the first misionary in japan having to ask what the japanese called god was the perfect analogy of how circumstantial all of religion is.

It did poorly because the people who understood it dont like their fauth to be challenged and the people who didnt undertstand were just bored.

>>80060045
Wow. What country? Some places get screwed royally with late releases.