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clive edition

last thread >>79961580
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Clive is the original dwsr stalker
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why the fuck did they reuse that 'for my next trick' clip of the ninth doctor in the 50th?

it makes no sense at all!
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>>79992356
You're right. They should've used the embarrasing dad-dancing clip from The Doctor Dances.
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Things endeth, yond's all. Ev'rything ends and t is at each moment depress'd, but ev'rything begins again too and yond's at each moment joyous. Beest joyous.
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>>79992174
Kek, now who's the stalker?
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>>79992484
Watch it m8. That scene was top comfy.
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Girly Letters' dead eyes in her zoo picture makes me wanna die. You can just see she has nothing else to do in her life other than stalking filming. Really sad.
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>>79992484
I bet you hate the tank scene.
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SHE DID IT, THE MAD WOMAN! AND NOW SHE'S COMING FOR US!

https://twitter.com/GirlyLetters/status/837405911681490944
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Reminder that he's a-comin
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>>79993120
I know but think about it in context of the Doctors saving Gallifrey scene. It would be hilarious.
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>>79993169
whose account?
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>>79993217
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>>79993262

dumb bitch spends every minute of her life on fucking twitter, shes like 50 as well
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>>79993318
>dumb bitch
Ah, so this is why /who/ hates her. Should've known with this being 4chan n' all.
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>>79993352
Hi Anathema.
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>>79993352
what are you talking about?
>wah wah everything's misogyny!
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>>79993382
I don't get it.
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I want to have a 12 marathon before S10 starts. But I don't want to get through filler episodes and shit. I have seen all of the episodes when they aired.

What are the episodes I should rewatch?
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>>79993352
No. Among other things, she "harassed" a girl who suffered from cancer and was able to go for one day to assist to filming. She questioned her to know more about what happened that day, who was filming,... If this doesn't make you hate her then you're no better than her. Have some fucking decency.
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>>79993423
Why do you hate her then?

>wah wah everything's misogyny!
On 4chan? Pretty much.
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>>79993443
DP
Listen
Caretaker (not memeing)
Kill the Moon (or only the last bit)
Mummy
Dark Water
Death in Heaven
Last Christmas
TMA
TWF
The Girl Who Died
Face the Raven
Heaven Sent
Hell Bent
Husbands
Mysterio
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>>79993443
dubs and you rewatch everything pussy
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>>79993462
I never knew that and have never seen that brought up here before. Pretty disgusting.
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>>79993482
When did I say I hated her you fucking retard?
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>>79993538
>skipping flatline
stopped reading there
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>>79993559
How new are you? That happened around mid-2015 when Series 9 was filming. Cloister brings it up quite often too.
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>>79993586
They said they didn't want filler episodes and shit.
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>>79993564
If you don't hate her then your opinion is irrelevant to the conversation and you shouldn't have replied to me. Timewaster.
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>>79993462
It wasn't cancer it was cystic fibrosis, which might be worse because it has a 100% kill rate.
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>>79993130
She has Who and cabbages.

And i guess 2 daughters but they don't matter
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>>79993603
>How new are you
>Anon said this because someone was ignorant of something that happened nearly two years ago

Get off of your high horse. /Who/ isn't some secret society or special club. If someone doesn't know something then just tell them; you're not special for knowing something like that.
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>>79993089
;^)
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>>79993850
I was actually asking this unironically. You getting defensive about it is weird. I'd never meme about such a serious matter. Idiot.

>>79993808
Yes, this. Sorry for getting it wrong.
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>>79993443
Deep Breath
Listen
Mummy on the Orient Express
Flatline
Dark Water
Death in Heaven
Last Christmas
The Magician's Apprentice
The Witch's Famiiar
Face the Raven
Heaven Sent
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>>79993864
What if this gets you into trouble?
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>>79993850
>/Who/
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>>79994218
It was the beginning of a sentence.
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Just shut it.
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>>79994130
She'll send her moff look a like husband after me
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https://youtu.be/uj28c5JtW8w
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Guys, please help a fellow /who/re out. I have a philosophy essay on Saturday about Art. Do you think I can talk about Doctor Who? What could I say? Or is there like a quote about art in the show?
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>>79994563
That scene from the Vincent Van Gogh episode?
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GOAT
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>>79993443
If dubs you watch them all
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>>79994247
But the sentence doesn't start with the letter W, it starts with the slash.
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>>79993443
If dubs you have a Sixth Doctor marathon instead
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>>79994563
There are some choice bits in City of Death:

(Two guest stars are doing their cameo in front of the Tardis.)
CLEESE: To me, one of the most curious things about this piece is its wonderful afunctionalism.
ELEANOR: Yes, I see what you mean. Divorced from its function and seen purely as a piece of art, its structure of line and colour is curiously counterpointed by the redundant vestiges of its function.
CLEESE: And since it has no call to be here, the art lies in the fact that it is here.
(The Doctor unlocks the Tardis and enters, followed by Romana and Duggan. The Tardis dematerialises.)
ELEANOR: Exquisite. Absolutely exquisite.

DUGGAN: But it's a fake! You can't hang a fake Mona Lisa in the Louvre.
ROMANA: How can it be a fake if Leonardo painted it?
DUGGAN: With the words This is a Fake written under the paintwork in felt tip.
ROMANA: It doesn't affect what it looks like.
DUGGAN: It doesn't matter what it looks like.
DOCTOR: Doesn't it? Well, some people would say that's the whole point of painting.
DUGGAN: But they'll find out. They'll x-ray it.
DOCTOR: Serves them right. If they have to x-ray it to find out whether it's good or not, they might as well have painting by computer.
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Gallifrey Base spoilerhounds have given us the titles for Episodes 11 and 12.

11: The Romance of Crime
12: The Plotters
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>>79995076
>The Plotters

Sounds like a shit name desu
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>>79995076
If episode one really is called The Pilot then the finale might literally be The Finale or The End or something equally shit.
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Name a better post-regeneration performance than Capaldi in Deep Breath. Protip: you can't.
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>>79995742
shmeep shmeep
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>>79995742
Name a better Doctor than Peter Capaldi. Protip: you can't.
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>>79995742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3CWXqUqPFA
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>>79992261
people still watch this feminist shitfest?

Jesus Christ
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>>79992356

It woz good senpai stfu
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>>79992356
because eccleston is a diva and wouldn't return
funny how RTD said he never considered richard e grant for the part because "he took the money and ran" but thats basically what eccleston ended up doing.
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I'd just name a whole series like that:

A Matter of Time
From Time to Time
A Long Time Ago
Showtime
On Borrowed Time
Wrong Time Wrong Place
Once Upon a Time
Serving Time
Time is Money
The Test of Time
A Sign of the Times
Only Time Will Tell
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>>79996126
That'd be pretty punny.
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>>79992261
Doctor who is fan fiction tier shit now, can't believe anyone still watches this
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>>79995244
Ain't nothing wrong with that. The Beatles and the Doors both ended albums with songs called The End.
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>>79996396
>now
you mean like since 1981
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Fuck, I know some episode had a villain go "The Doctor is forfeit" or "Your life is now forfeit" but I can't place it. It's triggering my autism. Please help ;_;
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>>79996617
Beep Boop Ba Doop Part 5
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Capaldi replaced by 10 different actors when?
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>>79996607
>Bakerfags
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Big gets coming up,
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Does Gallifrey Base ban you if they find out a user is a frequenter of /who/?
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Dubs and Chibnall is replaced by gareth.
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>>79997128
I used to have it but I dont no more. But I love the shop of him as the Listen monster
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Steven "I make it up as I go along" Moffat. How can anyone defend this man?
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>>79997426
Series 8 and 9 were made up as he went along. He thought out everything in Matt's era. Didn't execute it perfectly, but he thought it out.
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>>79997727
>Series 6 Doctor's death/River Song arc
>Series 7 Impossible Girl arc
>The Silence arc in general
>not made up as they went along
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Helen looks like as if she's gonna crawl out of my player after five days like that Ring girl and kill me
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https://youtu.be/AKGavSKMkek

suddenly really don't want him to regenerate
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Just re watched the Girl Who Died and the Woman who lived.

Absolute garbage, why were these episodes allowed to be written?
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>>79995885
>people still watch this feminist shitfest?
If the alt-right calls something a "feminist shitfest" and the fringe SJWs call it a "sexist pit of misogyny", I think that means it's… well, actually, it doesn't mean anything, because they both always say that about everything whether it makes sense or not.
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>>79997067
>Does Gallifrey Base ban you if they find out a user is a frequenter of /who/?
Just don't sign up with the name "Anonymous" and you should be fine.
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>>79982037
>Gareth is not in the wrong here.
He's not in the wrong about the other person being rude, that doesn't mean it's perfectly understandable why he freaked the fuck out
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>>79996990
I think his point is that Davison was the first Doctor who'd been a fan of the show. JNT was a fan too (at least until the BBC wouldn't let him produce anything besides Doctor Who), and he hired other fans of the show to help him make it. And he deliberately appealed to fans as much as possible, from working closely with DWM to researching which reappearing monsters would most appeal to the fans.

So, since 1981, Doctor Who has been made by fans. But I don't see why that's a bad thing. Would it have been better with an idiot with no production experience and a bad relationship with both the BBC and his own script editor if that idiot happened to hate the show instead of loving it?
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Does /who/ actually like Gareth's writing?
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>>79998519
>Does /who/ actually like Gareth's writing?
Who doesn't like full, sensual lips and large, strong frames?
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>>79993482
Do you genuinely believe people hate her for the trivial fact that she's a woman rather than because of her actions?
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>>79996126
A Stitch in Time
No Time Like the Present
Time Goes By (So Slowly)
Time and the Time
The Time of Time
Time Time
Let's Time Time
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>>79998519
Most of his episodes are bad, The Lodger's probably his best. He did write my favourite SA episode though
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>>79998744
Probably a mix. A lot of men hate women just for being outspoken and confident. Yet a man being outspoken and confident is never questioned.
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>>79993150
The tank scene is stupid, and that is a fact.
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>>79998860
The main issue with it is that it just goes on way too long (that whole scene with the tank, Missy, snake fella, etc). So much of that episode is just fannying about, stalling for time
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>>79998860
Yes we're lovers, and that is that.
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>>79997426
Yeah but Love And Monsters amirite?

Moffat fags are the worst.
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>>79998964
At least Love and Monsters is coherent and has an actual story.
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>>79997840
kek

It's like he wrote Series 5, suddenly decided not to wrap up the Silence stuff, then spent 2 years throwing so much shit at the screen cos it sounded cool
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>>79998853
stalking actors has nothing to do with being outspoken nor confident
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>>79998953
Though nothing, will keep us together.
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>>79999097
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>>79998519
In all seriousness, Gareth's novels are much better than his TV episodes, because he's got a knack for making truly alien aliens but then letting us see inside their heads and relate to them (and in his MAs, he even does that with Four and Romana).

I'm not sure why he writes better for SJA than DW on TV, though.
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>>79999097
Hello, I borrowed these glasses to try to look smart like Peter Davison, and I borrowed this moustache to try to look porny like Colin Baker. I'm going to be on this show forever!
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>>79999019
It's better than most of series 9.
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>>79999147
Roberts' episodes are most of my favourites, alongside RTD's. I just think he 'gets' the spirit and silliness of the show just right
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>>79999187
For me, The Lodger was really the only time he ever pulled off that Gareth style on TV (for DW).

Unicorn and the Wasp or Planet of the Dead… you can tell he's _trying_ to be the right amount of silly, but he's not succeeding.
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>>79999297
>Planet of the Dead
Although I'm not sure how much I can blame him for this one after hearing that RTD sent the script back and asked for it to be more like The Highest Science and focus more on the Chelonians, and then cut the Chelonians out of the story and rewrote it the weekend before filming…
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Can't Philip Hinchcliffe just be the Executive Producer again? I mean he's not THAT old.
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>>79999608
He was, on an overpriced BF boxset the other year
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>>79999608
How about just having an executive producer who's not also the writer of a third of the episodes and the de facto script editor for the rest?
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>>79999745
Doctor Who does actually have a script editor right now, Nick Lambon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CxKyeUA8Ck

What do you think this guy actually does?
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>>79999997
DAMN
>>79999999
>>80000000
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>>80000079
probably just a yes man and does fuck all

The only person I get the impression had impact on scripts was Julie G, cos her him and Phil C were so close knit. (I think Julie G sometimes told RTD when to cut shit, cos she was more objective and saw it as a TV drama whereas RTD sometimes was in super fan mode)
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https://youtu.be/Q3Ie6gUsKhM

his voice is really, really calming
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>>79999905
>>79999997
This is why he left.
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>>80000264
What?
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This man(?) script edited Hell Bent.
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>>80000435
do you think he read the script and just wanted to die like 99% of fans watching
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>>80000079
He probably just checks for typos and grammar errors
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Capaldi said he wouldn't direct an episode of Doctor Who, but he's a very good director, I hope he changes his mind after leaving i'd even like him to write an ep, all the monsters and aliens he wants back show his great taste.

Capaldi for showrunner after Chibnall.
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>>80000537
I imagine even if he went to Steven with notes or ideas, Steven would just do whatever the fuck he wanted anyway

>>80000554
Would be cool to see him return as a writer or director
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>>80000554
Didn't Matt Smith once say he liked coming up with story ideas when on set? Him and Capaldi should team up and co-write an ep
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>>80000554
YFW Capaldi as a writer brings back the Mondas Cybermen and the Axons
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>>80000529
Stop projecting.
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>>80000726
nah senpai

hell bent was shit, nobody liked it except steve muffter
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>The Fourth Doctor AND The Eighth Doctor BOTH meet the Vashta Nerada
>The Sycorax
>The Carrionites, who I had to look up on Google

Fuck sake
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>>80000890
which monsters would you pick senpai
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>>80000620
>Him and Capaldi should team up and co-write an ep
It'll be almost as cool as when Four and Harry teamed up to write Scratchman!
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>>80000919
There aren't that many memorable or interesting NuWho monsters to pick from, but maybe The Silence or John Simm or something idk
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>>80000247
>Three desert island dvds
>Not even one of Doctor Who
Fuck this guy
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>>80001123
He was probably too embarrassed to say Doctor Who.
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>>80000247
Chibnall actually plans out his storylines on a whiteboard. Diamond Age confirmed.
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>>80000079
>Doctor Who does actually have a script editor right now, Nick Lambon:
Under RTD, the script editor was a monkey who brought RTD's notes to the writer or the director's notes to RTD.

Moffat may be giving his guys a little more authority, but they're still not real script editors in the 20th century sense. Moffat is the one doing the job of Andrew Cartmel or Robert Holmes. In fact, he's doing a much more extensive and intrusive version of that job. At the same time as he's also doing the job of JNT or Hinchcliffe. And writing a third of the episodes himself. And managing publicity and even appearing in front of the camera as part of that publicity as if he were a companion. And working a lot more closely with merchandising, overseas sales, etc. than anyone in the classic days.

That's what RTD established as the job for running Doctor Who. Which is insane.

Hopefully Chibs understands it's insane and doesn't try to demand the same thing from himself that burned out both RTD and Moffat.
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>>79992261
if dubs, female doctor confirmed
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>>80001007
>There aren't that many memorable or interesting NuWho monsters to pick from
What, the Abzorbaloff isn't memorable?

Or are you demanding that they be memorable and also good? (And also reusable—the Midnight entity was memorable and good, but would be lame if it reappeared.)
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>>80001312
Girlyletters BTFO
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>>80000094
What were the gets?
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>>80001381
Memorable and not completely ridiculous one-shot monsters

It would be neat if they could take a monster who was irredeemable trash in the TV series, then redeem it with a decent audio story like they did with Colin Baker

jk i like colin
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>>80001498
>a monster who was irredeemable trash
The Fourth Doctor fights the trees from In the Forest of the Night confirmed.
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>>80001533
The Seventh Doctor aborts the Moon
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Power of Three>Cold Blood/Hungry Earth>Dinosaurs on a Spaceship>42
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>>80001498
options they could feasibly use, which are better than Vashta Nerada x2 include

Gelth
Toclafane
Krillitanes
Ood
Judoon
Silence
Slitheen
Clockwork Droids
Absorbaloff, ok maybe not
Isolus
Racnoss
Family of Blood
The Flood
Prisoner Zero
Saturnynians from VOV
Dream Lord
Gunslinger
Spoonheads
Whispermen
Fisher King
Sandmen kek
NuRassilon
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>>80001498
>It would be neat if they could take a monster who was irredeemable trash in the TV series, then redeem it with a decent audio story
Before we get to crap NuWho aliens, I'm still waiting for an audio about the Dominators and their Quarks, like Nick Briggs promised 15+ years ago.

(I know the old comics brought them back lots of times, but it was always either Quarks as Dalek substitutes because they were sick of using the Trods as Dalek substitutes, or comic relief.)
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>>80001667
bring back the mechanoids!
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>>80001667
If you're willing to read the Candy Jar spinoffs…
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>>80001667
I liked The Dominators :/

The Quarks weren't very well realised, though
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>>80001713
>bring back the mechanoids!
BF already did them.

It's kind of a spoiler in the story, but (a) the cover already spoils it, (b) Gary Russell also spoiled it in advance, and (c) it's a pointless spoiler anyway.
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>>80001811
NICE. Recommend?
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>>80001811
They look kinda cool in that colour scheme, so does Davros

Is this worth listening to

Can you make out a single fucking thing the quarks say in this?
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>>80001820
Yes—but not if you're expecting a Dalek-Mechonoid battle, because that doesn't happen. But it's a great Mel story, and a pretty good Davros story, even if the plot is kind of lightweight.
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>>80001887
>Can you make out a single fucking thing the quarks say in this?
Sorry, it's Mechonoids, not Quarks. As far as I know, the only Quarks BF have done is the 2-second teaser clip in that BF Magazine where Briggs talks about all the monsters they're bringing back next year and does the voices for a bunch of them.

But I could understand the Quarks in that clip. They say "Shall we destroy?", of course.
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>>80001991
>Shall we destroy?

kek that was such a stupid cliffhanger when it actually happened on the show
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>>80000890
*whom I had to look up

>not knowing a Gareth monster

why do you even watch Doctor Who
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Speaking of Second Doctor aliens, why haven't the Krotons come back to TV?

Is there anything left for NuWho to plunder from Alien Bodies except the rehabilitation of the Krotons as a serious alien empire?

Even Big Finishhas only used them for a lighthearted bonus CD.
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>>80000890
>The Carrionites

Could be GOAT now that they're being handled by... i dont even know who's writing but theyve gotta be better than gareth
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>>80002253
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQs2q8RiC8

The story works much better this way, even if you don't get to see Jamie throwing rocks at them.
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Damn moon
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>>80003041
If it weren't for the Moon, the Silurians never would have hibernated, so humans wouldn't have taken over the planet, so we'd all have to watch Doctor Sssssss instead. Is that really what you want?
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>>80003178
>tfw the entire Silurian race acts so eminent to mankind yet they fucking went to sleep underground just because an egg was flying at them
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>>79992261
Jesus christ. They still haven't shitcanned this abomination of a show?
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>>80003457
Well, to be fair, they didn't know it was an egg. Imagine the Krotons came by to egg your house, and the eggs looked like 160-sextillion-ton hunks of rock. You'd probably get in the cellar too. And then you'd feel a right fool when they said, "Ha ha, it was just an egg", and you'd be all defensive when the ape creatures laughed at you for falling for that old one.
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>>80001432
Here's one, the other one was just a random post.
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Dubs for Davros in Series 10.
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Dubs for Capaldi to return onscreen post-2017.
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Dubs for Clara never returns.
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>>79992261
Roses are red, violets are blue
The new doctor comes for you
And to all the new ideas, one is the brighter
Do you remember, or are you none the wiser?
If so, have this threadly reminder.
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Don't forget to join us at /lbg/>>79983044
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The Real /lbg/ here,
That guy posting the link to our thread is a furry from /s4s/ and his goal is to start a fight to get back at /lbg/. He's does things like this all the time. Don't fall for it, lads, we're all allies.
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>>80005463
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>>80005289
>Dubs for Davros in Series 10.
But it's Davros as a 13-year-old. It's his first day of class, and he's carrying a Captain Croag and the Highland Rangers lunchbox, and everyone makes fun of Dorky Davey because he still watches a kiddie show.
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>>80005668
This might be your best threadly reminder yet.
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About to re-listen to Time Works.

All I remember from a decade ago is that it was Lyons' most Lyons audio, but does that mean it's funny and scary and there's a deeper meaning underneath (Head Games), or that the entire story is pointless and just there to bash you over the head with a moral message (Space Age)? I guess I'll (re-)find out…
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>>79992261
I loved the idea of a bunch of conspiracy theorists on the internet finding photos of the Doctor throughout history. Maybe there was one poster arguing that the man has multiple faces, or maybe they all thought they were separate time travellers.
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>>80005668
Roses are red, violets are blue
She won't be the doctor, you know this is true
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Any decent torrents for The Fivish Doctors Reboot?
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Which doctor has the biggest benis?

Which doctor has the biggest, low hanging balls?
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>>80009222
Wasn't Clive's idea that "The Doctor" was a title that each one passed on to his son?

Cool idea, but it really doesn't explain anything Clive said it did. To the extent that their adventures come in order (which they don't—the first picture Clive had was Nine in 1912…), they're mostly spaced about three years apart. Sure, maybe Pertwee had the time testicles to have great-grandchildren by age 10, but Tom Baker?
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>>80009772
Pretty sure Clive only had pics of 9. Hence why he thought they were all father/sons.
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>>80010568
Yeah it's kind of weird how he never caught on to any other incarnation of the Doctor, especially with a nod to regeneration in the same episode.
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>>80010875
You'd think the Doctor would be a more famous figure being photographed in all these photos. At least internet meme level.
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>>80012115
In-universe /who/ is on a different board, of course, but it definitely still exists.

And, oddly, in-universe /who/ is getting spammed by fake /lbq/ invites and warnings to ignore those fake /lbq/ invites.
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https://twitter.com/OldRoberts953/status/836982031384997888

What did he mean by this
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Hi guys. I'm going to Capaldis for dinner tonight. I'm a personal friend and he loves me. already got 56 autographs this year alone :D
He doesn't know I'm coming but it'll be a nice surprise.
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You know what? I think Nardole is gonna be the break out star of Series 10 while Bill crashes and burns. I think Nardole will carry over into Chibnalls first Series. While Bill bites the dust in Series 10.
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>>80012481
In-universe /who/ would be on /x/.

I actually love this idea, it would still be called /who/ too because the discussion would've started from asking "Who is this guy that keeps popping up in history?"
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>>80012577
The first tweet is more curious. Is he implying that blogs like that are like an addiction for him? Or is he implying he'd rather overdose than readthrough another one?
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Saturday, March 11. Get ready.
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The Doctor: It's the end, but the moment has been prepared for.

Bill: So he was The Doctor all the time!
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Mini Matt's father is going ape shit on George Stalker

https://twitter.com/piclounge/status/836657026726002689
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Post a song that reminds you of the 'Catharsis of Spurious Morality'
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>>79992356
I have a different question - why the fuck did they use a practically unaltered cut-out of the Doctor in Susan from "The Aztecs" in "The Name of the Doctor"? I mean, Susan and the Doctor ALREADY having their regular clothing from season 1 as they escape from Gallifrey - now this really makes no fucking sense.
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>>80001637
God, there's so many shit monsters. Still, there's better options than what we've got, I don't know why they went with Racnoss of all things. Carrionites at least have some nice thing to differentiate them, the "words have power" thing can fit well in audio stories.

Oods are very nice, probably the best alien from nuWho but I don't know if they would work on audio. Judoon, Silence and Slitheen are p. cool too. Dream Lord and the Flood could be great.
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>>80015675
>the Doctor in Susan
Jesus fucking Chibbs, I didn't mean this.
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>>80015675
Holy shit I was thinking that today! You would think they would be wearing some Gallifreyan attire.
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>>80001637
this is why.. no I won't finish that sentence because it is already known
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How cool is this illustration?
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>>80016163
super cool
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Should I have raised expectations for The Ice Warriors return?
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>>80016260
All depends on your level of expectation.

In recent history (since 2005) I've been expecting the return of a classic WHO enemy only to be let down by that rendition.
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>>80015388
Good
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>>80016260
No, because it's written by Gatiss.
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>>80016589
To be honest I don't see what was so bad about Cold War. Who would you rather see bring back the Ice Warriors? Gatiss or that Frank bloke.
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>>80016464
>>80016589
>>80016654
Cold War was decent, but I didn't like how Mark had to make it the first appearance of the actual Ice Warrior, and now it looks like we're getting a female Ice Warrior. Seems like he just wants to invent or show new stuff just cause he can.
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Daily reminder this season is going to be horse shit with nothing but Matt Lucas and Capaldi keeping it afloat while trying to mask the empty disappointment in their souls

I can't wait
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>>80017172
we shall call it the Moffat Black Hole Effect.
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>>80017082
That's nu/who for ya. Gatiss isn't the only offender. Every single writer of the current series has failed in capturing the feel of the old enemies. That may or may not be a bad thing but it is not the same thing.
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>>80009453
Tom Baker was well known for his gaint wang
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>>80000247
His voice reminds me of Jony Ive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ynXKHC9Wo4
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>>80014952
for what?
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Why did they bring Frank C Boyce back?
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>>80018029
Doctor Who Live: The Next Doctor
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>>80002456
>Capaldi will never get to meet the Chumblies
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exFHUSE6K08

Chibbers denies being the next showrunner
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>>80019045
This early? Come on, it'd be at least until after Series 10
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>>80019113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QssnwYxfFXI

Honestly I could listen to Chibnall talk for hours. Great voice
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>>80018040
I'm all for second chances but he and Peter Harness should've been blacklisted after their debuts.
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>>80019664
ok Gareth
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>>80019128
If they did that /who/ should just go apeshit and send angry letters to the BBC for taking the spotlight away from Capaldi for his last series
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Is he the voice of reason /who/ ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSg7ka9X0Hg
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>>79995993
Ecclestone and Davies were big showbiz mates before Dr Who. Seems like they struck a one-series deal that would exploit Ecclestone's "real actor" credibility without the usual risk of typecasting.

Ecclestone himself had no interest in the show, no knowledge of the character, and basically played himself throughout.
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>>80020000
>those digits
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>>80000094
>DAMN
Read 'em and weep:
>>80020000
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>>80019957
Five and a half minutes and his only argument is an appeal to tradition.
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>>80019957
If this guy didn't have the gap between his teeth, he'd be a 9/10. No homo.
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>>80020000
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20wJoBGL5YQ
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>>80014593
>In-universe /who/ would be on /x/.
Meanwhile, over on /tv/, the most popular copypasta on /profx/ is this:

>Professor x is fucking garbage. It can tell any story in all of time and space and it always ends up just fictionalizing a real story from last year about the doctor. And whenever they run out of real-life stories to steal from /who/ they just borrow a plot that was stale when nightshade or the revengers did it decades earlier. At least when le wacky terry pratchett wrote for le naughty frankie howerd in the 70s it was entertaining for retarded children, but when paul cornell brought it back as a soap opera, it's not even fit for that anymore. The show always had no originality and now it has even less. It's a waste of time and effort, why don't you losers mature and watch some grown up television for a change. You shouldn't watch professor x unless it's with your own children but I really don't want you plebs procreating.
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>>80020496
>Five and a half minutes and his only argument is an appeal to tradition.
But everyone knows Doctor Who is all about sticking with traditions and never challenging them. Imagine if the show had hired a Doctor under 50, or stopped doing historicals, or had an alien companion, or borrowed elements from Hammer horror, or let the Doctor kiss his companion. Obviously any of those changes would have ruined the show, and having a female Doctor would be just as bad.
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>>80020650
I'm not that bothered on a female Doctor but I hope it happens ASAP just because the media obsession with the idea has gotten SO FUCKING BORING.
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>>80016107
According to the short story "The Exiles", they were, and it was after their departure, in the TARDIS, that Susan found a room full of various clothing.
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>>80020751
>I'm not that bothered on a female Doctor but I hope it happens ASAP just because the media obsession with the idea has gotten SO FUCKING BORING.
Don't worry, no matter which way it goes, the media will forget their obsession pretty quickly and move on to something else. And so will Doctor Who fandom, at least for another three years.
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Doctor Who: The Animated Series when?

They could start by animating classic Big Finish stories.
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>TIL they made a Bad Wolf spin-off
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>>80020923
>Doctor Who: The Animated Series when?
Have you watched Scream of the Shalka? Or anything Cosgrove-Hall ever produced? Seriously, Dreamland and The Infinite Quest were groundbreakingly good for British animation. We're better off without it than with more of that.
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>>79995993
I actually heard that Ecclescake didn't return because he wanted the 50th anniversary episode to be directed by the guy who did "Dalek", that it was like an indispensable condition for his return (and Moffat had other plans).
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>>79995993
nah that was a joke eccleston made or something i forgot
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>>80014620
The latter
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>>80021084
you heard wrong
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>>80021122
meant to reply to >>80021084
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>>80015675
Cos cheap and lazy

All the old footage stuff in Name is horrific
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>>80020923
The latest "The Power of the Daleks" DVD-release showed that they can't even properly animate the missing episodes.
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>>80015690
It's incredible how many unmemorable or downright shit monsters nuWho has given us

Compare to the 60s and 70s. Okay, there are shit ones there, but there's also potential and imagination, even down to stuff like the Quarks
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>>80020000
You only have to watch interview clips from 2005 to know Eccleston joined the show for lots of reasons and was really excited by it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uD9IJqLMBo

There's also a clip somewhere of him doing an early 2005 press interview where he talks in depth about his love of the character
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>Want to do a quick rewatch of Doctor Who
>Most of the good episodes are filler
>Most important episodes are shit
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>>80017082
Yeah, the face reveal really ruined the mystique of the Ice Warriors. They didn't even bother to make the CGI look decent. And now Moffat's allowed his best mate to add some new gimmick to make them even worse.
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>>80021084
>"the guy who did "Dalek"
Joe Ahearne quit along with Eccleston, allegedly because he couldn't deal with RTD any more than Eccleston could. Plus, at the time they were planning the 50th, he'd been retired for 5 years (although he's since come back part time, mostly as a writer). I can imagine Eccleston demanding him as a joke, or as an intentionally unmeetable demand, but not seriously.
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>>80021344
It's as though they want to try and justify bringing them back, so Mark's all "hey look something new!" when, actually, they could've just brought them back and not fucked with the design and just played out a storming good story

Moff didn't even want the Ice Warriors back, and I can't blame him. They weren't exactly a huge priority.

A story like Waters of Mars might suit them.
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>>80021355
It was from a BFI Doctor Who panel for the Ninth Doctor. I think some websites took it to mean he was talking about DOTD when he wasn't.

>I love the BFI. I love the Doctor and hope you enjoy this presentation.

>Joe Ahearne directed five of the 13 episodes of the first series. He understood the tone the show needed completely - strong, bold, pacy visuals coupled with wit, warmth and a twinkle in the performances, missus.

>If Joe agrees to direct the 100th anniversary special, I will bring my sonic and a stair-lift and - providing the Daleks don't bring theirs - I, the Ninth Doctor, vow to save the universe and all you apes in it."

Translation: I'm never ever returning now leave me alone
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>>80016654
>Who would you rather see bring back the Ice Warriors?
Why do we need all the classic monsters returning at all?

If someone's got a clever story for them (like bringing back the Ice Warriors in the first Peladon story as surprise good guys and letting the Doctor do Kirk's "never trust a Klingon" speech years before Kirk ever did), great. But bringing them back just to bring them back can't be anything other than a cheap way to generate hype that will inevitably lead to disappointment. Whatever excitement you get out of "Oh look, Ice Warriors!" is over by the end of the trailer, and you can get that out of a FtR-style cameo. Didn't we learn anything from the JNT era?
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>>80021534
Agreed with you completely.

Cold War felt kinda like a 'treat' in the anniversary year, but it also didn't feel like anything special cos practically every year/series we'd had a classic monster brought back. And Cold War did nothing new with them, other than show some shitty CGI thing.

The Waters of Mars might've suited a cameo/flashback, but nothing more. And I'm yet to see a story worthy of the ice warriors. It feels almost like the writers decide they wanna bring something back, then write a story around it. It should be the other way around.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4257236/Christopher-Eccleston-gives-answers-questions.html

>The crime you would commit knowing you could get away with it…
>I’d help Donald Trump ‘disappear’.

BASED ECCLESTON
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>>80021525
>Translation: I'm never ever returning now leave me alone
Thanks for the source. Yeah, the "100th anniversary" is a bit of a clue there… When Ahearne will be 100 years old, and Eccleston 99. He's pretty clearly not saying "only if Joe returns", he's saying "when Hell freezes over".
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>>80021540
Is it me of have they made the colours a bit 'brighter' for S10?
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>tfw chibnall is going to get rid of the best tardis
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>>80021662
I think he'll keep it for a series at least. It'd be mad to blow a hefty amount of budget needlessly on a new set.
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>>80021641
they haven't put those horrible wash out filters over it yet ;)
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>>80021690
There'll probably be a new set.

If they're low on budget, they might actually just re-use the Hell Bent TARDIS set, but paint it a different colour and have a new/painted console.
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>>80021690
No. There needs to be a Rose-style reboot. Everything new. That'll get people watching.
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>>80021749
No it wont.
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>>80021595
If you listen to way too much Big Finish, they bring back old enemies a lot more often (even more during the Russell era than during Briggs' two eras), and occasionally they do manage to make a good story out of it, but usually they're at best nostalgia triggers and at worst pointless. And BF can afford to give us three nostalgia triggers for every good story, given their audience, but the TV show can't.

(If they could find a way to dive deep into alien society and psychology the way the novels did, it might be a different story, but I don't think that's possible in a 45-minute TV episode.)
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>>80021749
I sort of agree - but the TARDIS set is the least of their worries. New sonic, new titles, new theme tune, maybe a new composer, new actors, new colours for the Daleks, new writers, sorted.
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>>80021778
If it's marketed as brand new it will.
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>>79992261
Doctor who is fucking garbage.
It can tell any story in all of time and space and it always ends up a shitty looking celebration of mediocrity.
It's a predictable, safe formulaic children's show where the Le wacky man saves the day with some 'witty' banter and a 'clever' scheme.
The Doctor never goes anywhere in his development, just going from dark to light or dark to light depending on the incarnation.
It has no love for science or history, it just boils everything down for lowest common denominator. It's a waste of time and effort,
why don't you losers mature and watch some grown up television for a change.
You shouldn't watch doctor who unless it's with your own children but I really don't want you plebs procreating.
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>>80021811
Everyone in the UK knows what Doctor Who is. It's not like 2005 when it had been off the air for most of a generation; nobody in 2018 will think, "Ooh, what's this show that I've never seen? Maybe I'll check it out."

And meanwhile, in most other markets, series 9 was the highest rated season ever rather than the lowest. So it would be pretty stupid to throw that away.
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>>80021749
Similar to 2010 too. They need to be brave and bold, and go all out.
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>>80021870
The British general public associate Moffat Who with convoluted writing. If it can disassociate itself from that image lots of UK viewers will tune back in.
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>>80021870
The impression is that the show has become boring and formulaic in the UK. Many people don't like Moffat or Capaldi (sadly) so they're going to want to market it differently.

>>80021804
>new colours for the Daleks
They'll end up introducing new Daleks again, everyone will hate them, and they'll go back to the bronze ones....again.
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>>80021970
All they ever needed to do with the Daleks was repaint the RTD models. Probably not cost-effective, but it'd also add variety if they got someone else in alongside Briggs to do Dalek (and other monster) voices too.

>>80021965
Pretty much this
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>>80021965
>If it can disassociate itself from that image
Yes, but it has to do it by reminding people of 2005 or 2006-9, or maybe even 2010 (because the media now tells everyone they all loved Moffat's first season, just not his later ones), not by pretending it's something brand new (or, worse, reminding people of the 1980s).
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>>80021997
I'd rather they just got rid of the Daleks completely for a few years
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>>80022118
>>80022118
Same but that's not gunna happen, unfortunately. They need to make them a serious threat again, like in Dalek.
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>>80021804
>New sonic
Ugh, anything but this.

They purposefully burned the screwdriver back in Davison's day, because it was such a cheap plot device. Nowadays, it's become the Doctor's magic wand. It represents everything that's sloppy and half-baked about the reboot.
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>>80022152
It was bad during RTD's era, but then Matt waved it around constantly and they designed it deliberately to sell more toys. And Capaldi's new one is horrendous. Hopefully he doesn't use it every other scene.
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>>80022152
I wish they'd introduce new gadgets and gizmos, to show that the Doctor is always inventing and tinkering. Even if said devices do the same as the sonic, it provides variety. Like that spinny dish gadget 10 has in Partners in Crime or Planet of the Dead - could've used the sonic, but making another gadget is quite fun and is more believable.
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>>80022056
They'll market it like S4, arguably the most popular of the new series.

The new Doctor will be in his 30s-40s, and will already be a famous/recognisable British actor.

He will be quirky, and a comedy character, as well as having eccentric attire with a piece of iconography. The 'dark Doctor' stuff will be completely gone.

The companion will be a young, attractive blonde girl. She'll have been in a few things before, and will also be known to the public.

The theme tune will be more energetic and cinematic, perhaps with elements of dubstep.

Every episode will be an easy to follow Earth invasion or space adventure, with silly monsters.
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>>80022141
>They need to make the Daleks a serious threat again
No. They need the companion to call them "fat" and mock their battle cry.
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>>80022244
Some would argue this would be 'dumbing down' the show but I agree it's a good way to proceed. Not a step backwards - but just reverting the show back to a fun romp/adventure/crazy invasion of the week. Yes.
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>>80022276
If she thinks the RTD style Dalek is fat, she needs to see the Paradigms
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>>80000890
>Keeping McGann instead of McCoy
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>>80021344
>the face reveal really ruined the mystique of the Ice Warriors.
Granted, the CGI Ice Warrior was shit, but I can't imagine someone saying this with a straight face.
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>>80022279
Well that's pretty much what NuWho was up until S5. Nowadays it's all about the companion's domestic lives and stupidly convoluted time travel arcs. The RTD era was incredibly domestic too, but at least there were some interesting aliens/villains.
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>>79994729
Superior doctor
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>>80020751
This,

>>80020913
But also this.
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>>80022513
Having more focus on the companion's home lives is a good thing - I have no idea why people complain about the show not being about the Doctor. It's one of the reasons Ace is my favourite companion. It's not always interesting, like with Clara, although I don't agree with your point entirely since there wasn't much of it with Amy - her life was basically about the Doctor and Rory anyway. It's worth it for things like the scene where Rose tells Jackie she was there when Pete died.
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>>80023295
Guaranteed if they cast a female Doctor, the media will go mental next time demanding a black actor.
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>>80023552
"Why hasn't there been a trisexual gendersloppy octoplegic trans-Siberian Eskimo dwarf albino BBW doctor with anorexia? Check your privilege, shitlords!"
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>>80020923
http://www.curufea.com/doku.php?id=faction:factionfinal

>Does that mean you're going to write more books?
>No. It means I'm still holding out for Doctor Who: The Animated Series.
>Are you really serious about that?
>Only in a long-term pipe-dream kind of way. Look, think of it like this. Eventually, there will be another TV series of Doctor Who. And it will fail horribly, because inevitably it'll be aimed at the kind of fan-targeted SF market that didn't even exist until Star Trek: The Next Generation came along and spoiled everything. Doctor Who only works as a family adventure series, but when it finally comes back you can bet any money you want it'll be like Babylon 5 or something. It'll only last one series, maybe two. So then the TV programme will be dead forever, the license will be in limbo, and nobody will ever want to pump more money into it as a TV concept. Not a live-action TV concept, anyway. But animation's just getting to the point where it's breaking through properly, especially now there's so many computer-generated effects around and people are starting to forget the difference between real“ film and CGI. Pretty soon, British animation companies… the Cosgrove-Halls of the twenty-first century… are going to realize that there's a massive amount of potential in a British Manga-style movement. We're the perfect country to do that kind of thing, to do the European equivalent of Akira or Ghost in the Shell or whatever. And I want to be there when it happens, and I can't think of a better spearhead for the whole thing than an anime version of Doctor Who. I'm thinking ten years into the future here, obviously.”
>So if you got the chance to do this, would you tell the whole story of the Time Lord War as you see it?
>Well, epic wars are great for animation. Planets getting wiped out, million-strong armies of Cybermen marching across battlefields, Time Lord warships the size of moons… brilliant visuals.

This will never happen.
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>>80022425
What little mystique they had. If you have a monster in a mask for 50 years then they should never be unmasked as it'll only be disappointing.
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Writers' room confirmed

https://twitter.com/GirlyLetters/status/837730034672631808
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>>80024035
Will dwsr be able to stalk it too
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>>80021355
Any idea what was wrong with RTD? Seems like it was a close-knit family from S2 onwards.
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>>80024035
>https://twitter.com/GirlyLetters/status/837730034672631808
Doesn't confirm it tho does it?

Broadchurch was something he practically wrote on his own. Dr Who has a bunch of writers. Moffat and RTD before him collaborated on various script duties even without a writers room
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>>80024104
Nothing. But by all accounts, that first series was quite troubled in production. Probably a tension at all times to get it right, to nail the series, then the whole Keith Boak thing, Barrowman dicking about (literally) on set, the news of Chris leaking before they wanted it to, etc.
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>>80024104
>Any idea what was wrong with RTD? Seems like it was a close-knit family from S2 onwards.
Maybe part of the reason it was a close-knit family from S2-S4 was that everyone who didn't fit in with that family's way of doing things left after S1?
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>>80024774
>>80024803
>>80024822
Capaldi's hair is almost David Lynch level of impressive
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>>80024803
PUNISHED DOCTOR
A FALLEN LEGEND
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>>80024136
>Moffat and RTD before him collaborated on various script duties even without a writers room
It's almost the opposite direction. RTD commissioned outside scripts from freelancers, then heavily reworked most of them. With a writers room, usually most or all of the stories end up from inside, and at least theoretically even the lead writer's scripts get reworked by the team instead of vice-versa.

And from that brief quote, there's really no way to tell whether Chibs is talking about one, the other, or something completely different.
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>>80024035
Honestly, I think having a separate lead writer from the executive producer (or at least an old-style strong script editor) would do a lot more good than a writers room.

Especially since nobody the UK has any experience with writers rooms except the informal ones the soaps use, and there's no pool of talented but desperate wannabe staff writers to draw from.

A writers room would be an interesting experiment, but not automatic salvation of the show. A lead writer would be a way to hire someone who's a great writer but not a great producer (hello, Jamie Mathieson), and to avoid the kind of showrunner burnout that led to every finale but S1 and S5 being rushed shit, the 2016 hiatus, etc.
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>>80024774
>>80024803
>>80024822

Am I the only one to notice that Capaldi's costume is basically the attire of an ultra-orthodox Jew?

What did the BBC mean by this?
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>>80025072
>What did the BBC mean by this?
Hmm, they've got a skinhead hanging out with a Jew and a black lesbian and they're all friends. Why can't we all just get along?
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>>80024822
>>80024803
>>80024774
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>>80024803
W HAS COME TO
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if we get a writers room its just going to blend everything together. no more unique episodes. just mediocre ones.
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>>80025072
>Am I the only one to notice that Capaldi's costume is basically the attire of an ultra-orthodox Jew?
Needs a…talis? I don't know if that's the little knots that hang down behind their ears or the shawl thing they wear, but really, Capaldi could have both and totally rock the look.
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>>80025438
Looks like he's been using too much spray tan
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nardole is the best companion of nuwho
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>>80007959
>About to re-listen to Time Works.

>All I remember from a decade ago is that it was Lyons' most Lyons audio, but does that mean it's funny and scary and there's a deeper meaning underneath (Head Games), or that the entire story is pointless and just there to bash you over the head with a moral message (Space Age)?

As it turns out, it's kind of both.

The allegory for modern wage slavery is way too sledgehammer and the guest characters are all stereotypes, but it's also a clever commentary on the Doctor as a revolutionary and the way he uses randomness, hidden below a well-crafted horror/tragedy with some GOAT wordplay and some simple but effective timey-wimey.
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I really don't mind if they cast a nonwhite for the next doctor (as long as he's a decent actor and is not american of course), but I really hope they won't go for a woman, because it's obvious that all of the gags and probably some plot points are going to revolve around that to highlight the difference. Also the character would risk to be much more sexualized, but I sound like a SJW here.
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>>80025559
>allegory for modern wage slavery…simple but effective timey-wimey
It's basically just mixing three Harlan Ellison stories, Repent Harlequin, Count the Clock, and A Matter of Minutes. Not that there's anything wrong with stealing from Ellison; it's actually surprising that more Who writers don't do it.
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>>80025859
You're starting off it with the assumption that the writers are going to be crap hacks, because decent writers wouldn't have those problems with a female Doctor.

I mean, there is a good chance the writers will mostly be crap hacks, but if they are, it's going to suck no matter who the Doctor is, so…
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>>80025859
But think how funny it'll be when Girly Letters rants that they cast another yucky white male
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>>80026035
Crap hacks can still run an half decent show if they follow a 50 years old long proven formula. The thing i fear the most in DW is too much change. That's what's going to kill the show again, and I wouldn't like it to happen anytime soon.
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>>80026169
>The thing i fear the most in DW is too much change.
What show are you watching? Doctor Who has always been about change. The only thing that ever killed it before was JNT and Saward trying to do the same thing only more so year after year whether it worked or not.
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>>80026169
>a 50 years old long proven formula
Also, what formula exactly?

A curmudgeonly old man putting up with interlopers, a kindly uncle having an adventure with the kids, a ruthless chessmaster looking for a successor, or a lonely and damaged man looking for a hot young girl to love?

Does the Doctor believe that sometimes direct action is necessary, or think if you have to take direct action instead of tricking your enemies into destroying themselves you've already failed, or is he a man who never would?

Is it an educational show for kids, an adventure show for the family, a serious hard SF show, a soap opera disguised as space opera, or a metafictional fairy tale?
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>>80026243
I said "too much" change. Of course the show changes constantly, now it's completely different from what it was only 3 or 4 years ago. I'm talking about radical changes, like shifting from the original "An alien looking like a quirky british guy flying around in a box with human companions". Having a female lead would be a change too radical and too sudden, and if dealt badly could turn out a disaster.
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>>80026035
This, it wont matter if the Doc is female if we have good writers and it wont matter if the Doc is female if we have shitty writers.
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>>80026550
>Having a female lead would be a change too radical and too sudden
Right, because having a suave, non-quirky guy without even a box to fly around in who works for a secret human army and fights enemies with martial arts wasn't a radical change at all, but making the quirky guy with the box a quirky girl with a box, well, I never, that's just too far.
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