Name a better director >Lolita >Eyes Wide Shut >The

>>79897937
>works with (most) authors to guide their stories onto the silver screen

Which is hilarious since he always radically changed them anyway.

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>>79897937
He's not better than Kubrick but he's the modern day english version

Order of the Phoenix
Half-Blood Prince
Deathly Hallows Part 1
Deathly Hallows Part 2
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

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Objectively, Kevin Smith.

>>79898940
honestly this

>>79897937

The only directors who come close:

>Coppola
>Scorsese
>Malick
>Nolan

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Get better taste.

>>79899035
>Coppola

Man's outnumbered his good films 10 to 1 with complete, all out, unrepentant schlock.

>>79899035
>Nolan
I hope you are joking.

>>79899191

Agreed, but Apocalypse Now, Godfather 1 and Godfather 2 are close to the top of all films.

>>79899201

Im not. Not a single director comes close to consistently making both iconic and groundbreaking films in the last 15 years.

>>79899035
reddit please go

>>79899559

no u

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>>79899035
>Nolan

>>79897937
>>works with (most) authors to guide their stories onto the silver screen
A point against the man. Directors create their own story. See: Bergman, wrote and directed almost all of his stories. Worked with a few authors, but most of his stories are his own creations.

>>obsessed with perfection, forcing scenes to be filmed time and time again
Literal autism..

>>provided cultural basis not just on camera but also in production

What does this even mean.

>>still made movies that molded American culture even when he lived in exile in the UK (Eyes Wide Shut was shot in London, Strangelove played into stereotypical trigger happy American generals)

And?

>humble beginnings to stardom

AND?

>still seen as a outcast

AND HOW DOES THIS FUCKING INFLUENCE HIMSELF AS A DIRECTOR???

You have one singular point which is even remotely relevant to the world of directors. This is why Kubrick is the best pleb bait there is, he made great looking movies, probably the best looking movies out there, even today, that IS worthy of praise. But I mean, he's simply an over-glorified cameraman. His art was in his camera, his story telling skills severely lacked, severely.

I mean, half of his stories are of the 'mind-fuck' variety. I mean, you don't even explain half your story. It's weak direction, with extremely strong cinematography which helps equalise the pro's and con's.

It's easier to like something which looks nice. He really isn't worth his weight in salt when compared to Ozu or Bergman, actual great directors. It almost debases their names and the art to include Kubrick with them. I mean Ozu bought to light the new Generation of Japanese children and their disrespect for tradition and elders.

>>79897937
Tarkovsky.

Also you missed Paths of Glory. Pleb.

>>79899874
Wow, calm down faggot

>no mention of paths of glory
Anyway I prefer Scorsese

>>79899874
Bergman's dialogue is seriously amazing.

>>79897937
I only revently found out he directed Spartacus, and I've watched most of his movies. I don't know how that happened.

>>79899874
>He really isn't worth his weight in salt when compared to Ozu or Bergman,
Then who is the American Ozu/Bergman?

>>79900232
Zack Snyder or Tarantino

>>79900232
Cassavetes

>>79900148
Paths of Glory is just too purposefully noble and easy. There's nothing for me to take away from it that I wouldn't have thought from just knowing the premise going in: war is bad, innocent people being set up to die is bad, mock trials are bad, punishing cowardice is bad. It's so simple

>>79897937
>>Lolita
>>Eyes Wide Shut
>>The Shining
these are 5/10 at best

Lynch 2bh

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>>79899874
I'll try to play devils advocate and reword your argument, even if I only slightly agree and we may not be making the same point.

Kubrick is a great filmmaker but it's questionable if he's a great artist. Which is not to say he didn't make great art, but his films feel impersonal to me. With all the other pantheon directors and plenty of lesser ones you get a feel for who they are as people through their work, their passions and ideas and all that stuff. Either certain motifs, recurring traits, or simple small things that make you say "This is something only Kubrick could say", not "Only Kubrick could do this"

With Kubrick, I don't really see that. He adapts a script and directs the hell out of it, but through his 8 films I don't feel I "know" him the way you can know other artists. Maybe it's just that all his films are adaptations, or that his major stylistic traits are sleek, cold professionalism

>>79899874
>isn't worth his weight in salt when compared to Ozu or Bergman, actual great directors.
Those are still pretty reddit-core directors that make simple easy-to-follow stories.

Name someone good like Man Ray, D.W. Griffith, and Viktor Sjostrom.

>>79899042
Kubrick accomplished more than any of those no name cucks together. Kubrick is going to be regarded as the equivalent of Shakespear for cinema, he's probably the most important filmmaker, wether you like it or not.

>>79899874
If you think 2001, The Shining, Barry Lyndon or Eyes Wide Shut are just pretty visuals, you need to watch more films, you deluded pleb.

>>79900684
>no name cucks
If you can't recognize David Lean or Elia Kazan, you need to go back to /v/edit. They contributed perhaps the largest to modern cinema next to Jean Renoir and D.W. Griffith.

>>79900684
>Kubrick accomplished more than any of those no name cucks together
Embarrassing considering your favorite pleb director(qbricko) loved all of them

>>79900632
Are you retarded? Can't you see the themes, symbols, preocupations, that are prevalent in most of his movies? I think you heard somewhere the le kubruck is impersonal argument and misunderstood it. It's true that his movies are almost emotionless, very calculated, almost as if done by a robot, but to say they are impersonal is outright stupid.

>>79900148
Scorses's plebshit as well. Best New Hollywood directors to me were Arthur Penn, Altman, Gene Saks, Richard Donner, and Sydney Pollack.

>>79900748
>>79900762
Why would anyone recognize their faces? People watch their movies, not their ugly mugs.

>>79897937
>Eyes Wide Shut
If you're gonna give credit to the man, don't credit shit

>>79900822
Where does the "no-personality" meme come from? He has more personality that Tarkovsky. Dr. Strangelove and Lolita are proof alone. And Spartacus has heart galore

See here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0cXyGVsUjs

>>79900835
I'm sick of this new "I hate on Scorcese to look cool" reddit meme.

>>79897937
u didn't name his best: paths

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>>79900912
It's not that Scorsese's bad he's just the weakest of his lot but perhaps the most audience-friendly next to Spielberg and Lucas which would explain his popularity over the years. Though, I don't know why Peter Bogdanovich didn't catch on and be remembered as well as years went by. Perhaps due to lacking memorable scores that Scorsese, Spielberg, and Lucas fellatiate their films with. Probably also because his stories just aren't as simple as theirs, but boy are they fucking funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HejpRrOWIRc

>>79900822
>Can't you see the themes, symbols, preocupations, that are prevalent in most of his movies?

No, but run them by me. I'm only half-supporting this argument because I'm bored but I still feel it to an extant. But please no Shining conspiracy symbols, I don't want to know that nonsense

>>79900863
Why do you recognize Kubrick's face then?

>>79901065
>having memorable scenes is fellating yourself
You're a tool.

>>79900933
Paths of Glory is just weak wannabe Quit on the Western Front.

His best is objectively Barry Lyndon and 2001 without a question.

>>79901065
>Peter Bogdanovich
I always thought the reason why he was overlook in terms of directors was because he went into a big slum after that shit movie Daisy Miller.

He pretty much did bomb after bomb after that movie.

>>79900232
I don't think there's an American Ozu or Bergman. And I'm not implying there are no american filmmakers as talented as them; it's just that they lack the trademarks of their works.

James Gray is an young filmmaker that kinda reminds me of Bergman

>>79901065
>would explain his popularity over the years
it's not old Scorsese that's popular, it is his post Aviator phase, saying he is as digestable as Spielberg is just not knowing

>>79900684
>no name cucks
i.e. I'm a pleb embryo ignorant about the film medium, therefore everyone else is too

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>>79901242
Shutter Island might as well be a Spielberg movie. Might as well be a Shyamalan movie.

>>79901211
>He pretty much did bomb after bomb after that movie.
Then explain Coppola

>>79901154
Because he is a "celebrity" filmmaker like Hitchcock was, or like Spielberg, Lucas or Tarantino are today. Everyone would recognize their faces because they are talked about much more than any other directors and are household names.

>>79901065
Name a single Spielberg movie as well-crafted, subtle and full of subtext as The Age of Innocence

You literally can't

>>79900351
>being this much of a pleb
God i hate this place

>>79900822
>It's true that his movies are almost emotionless, very calculated, almost as if done by a robot
>to say they are impersonal is outright stupid.
thanks for contradicting yourself. do you even know what impersonal means, reddit?

>>79900911
I agree, most of his movies have this very subtle, very dry, very black sense of humor.

>>79901320
yeah and that's post Aviator, his later works are very different to the likes of The Last Temptation, King of Comedy, Raging Bull, etc. wich are much more stylized films and less audience friendly

>>79901399
Easy. Schindler's List. No joke.

>>79901549
Schindler's List is a great movie but it's as subtle as a brick to your face. Have you watched The Age of Innocence?

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>>79901549
>Holocaust movie
>subtle

>>79901386
Godfather is bigger than just about anything, and Apocalypse Now not too far below. Plus The Conversation and that's 4 top-tier canonized films to Bog's 2. So just by numbers he got left out

But really it's because his two big films are black and white period comedy-dramas about women, not something that's easy to advertise or sell to the predominately young male movie nerd.

>>79900911
That's not what personality means

>>79901519
Can we even say "latter" Scorsese is bad anymore after Silence? I'll even go to bat for WoWS being better than Goodfellas/Casino

>>79897937

Zack Snyder

>>79901585
>>79901592
Close Encounters of the Third Kind?

Kubrick is one of the most innovative directors of all time

However I have to say this:

The Social Network's flawless rhythm and white hot fast paced directing is the best of all time.

>>79897937
Honestly when I saw Dr Strangelove in the theater it was pretty underwhelming and I'm a pretty big Kubrick fan. There was just something missing that was keeping it from being on the same level as all the others but I don't quite know.

>>79901631
>WoWS being better than Goodfellas/Casino
You're a retard. Wolf of Wall Street is literally just a worse remake of Goodfellas with more cursing and 50+ minutes of partying added.

>>79901631
The Conversation and Godfather part ii weren't even the highest grossers for their years and What's Up Doc was the 3rd highest grossing for 1972.

I'm about to watch Barry Lyndon. What am I in for?

Will there be decadence?

>>79901631
>predominately young male movie nerd.
In my experience, women watched more movies than men. Hardly any of my guy friends really watch any movies, but I've had several past girlfriends that were huge into movies to the point it seemed the only thing they did. Also, just based on conversation, women seemed to just generally know more about movies, actors, and actresses then guys I talked to.

>>79901802
It's funnier, better paced, and is more successful in the "sympathetic" up part of the arc because fake tits and ludes are more appealing than 60s cocktail dinners and greasy wops snorting coke. Goodfellas is such a gross movie to me, it's like hanging around old men trying to act like big men still. Casino is better in parts but is sometimes painfully gaudy.

WoWS also has the best social satire of all the post-08 anti-wall street films because it isn't pointing the finger at bankers. The blame is pointed squarely at the little idiots in the crowd who see these monsters and still want to be them, enabling a system that then allows the morons to get fucked again and again. And you're made just as liable for enjoying even a moment of it.

>>79901884
Money is really the argument you want to make for why films should be talked about 50 years later?

>>79901969
I was thinking more the imdb dork, but if you mean contemporary film then yeah, I don't know many men that watch movies outside blockbusters either. But if you look at the "I'm 15 and really into film" kind of stuff on imdb/letterboxd//tv/, it's all very testosterone driven stuff.

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>>79902130
You put Conversation in adding to Coppola's scorecard, take it out. Add in Nickelodeon in for Bogdanovich and that's 4 vs. 3.

>>79897937
john woo
>a better tomorrow
>a better tomorrow ii
>bullet in the head
>hard boiled
>the killer
>face / off

>>79902130
>It's funnier
Maybe if you're 14.
>better paced
Biggest pleb argument.

>more appealing than 60s cocktail dinners and greasy wops snorting coke. Goodfellas is such a gross movie to me, it's like hanging around old men trying to act like big men still.
Because that shit's real and from Scorsese's experience. Wolf of Wall Street is just an excessive cartoon with scenes of DiCaprio overacting and crawling on the floor

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>>79902130
>Money is really the argument you want to make for why films should be talked about 50 years later?
Yeah. Why else would Birth of a Nation or Dark Knight be talked about in public consciousness? They were the highest grossers for their years.

>>79902581
Planet of the Apes is the most well-known movie in that list and it was 9th gross of the year. 2001 (1st place) is probably as well-known as Rosemary's Baby (8th place) that remains way more relevant than the movies placed 2nd to 7th. Your methodology is bogus. Citizen Kane, for instance, was only the 30th highest gross of 1941

>>79902762
>that remains way more relevant than the movies placed 2nd to 7th
How old are you? Everyone over the age of 30 knows the Odd Couple and Neil Simon. His name is synonymous with American comedy like Chaplin. It's one of the best comedies of all time. Everyone knows who Herbie is, same with Steve Mcqueen in one of the most famous car chases, Barbara Streisand in her breakout musical, and Romeo and Juliet the most famous Shakespeare adaptation. Oliver! is one of the best musicals ever and won Best Picture.

>>79902937
Still less relevant than Rosemary's Baby, especially among millenial audiences

>>79902762
People only know Citizen Kane because critics always say it's the "best movie ever made"

>>79903026
Your point? It's still in public consciousness even though it wasn't a box-office hit, right?

>>79902993
I think you're mistaking you for"all millennials".

>>79900748
>D.W. Griffith.

>>>/pol/

>>79903086
Kek, ask any of your millenial acquaintances whether they know Rosemary's Baby, Odd Couple and Oliver. The results should speak for themselves.

>>79903046
My point is if critics keep mentioning it and Orson Welles is famous for War of the Worlds radio broadcast, of course people won't forget about it. But I can guarantee you more people have seen Casablanca more than Citizen Kane, same with The Odd Couple and 2001.

>>79903182
Ask your dad if he knows The Odd Couple. Ask your entire family, and I guarantee they'll know.

>>79903183
So your point is there are more reasons that contribute for a movie's relevance than box-office? I rest my case

>>79903206
I assume they all know both The Odd Couple and Rosemary's Baby. Rosemary is still the most well-known movie by far. How could you even argue this?

>>79903243
>Rosemary is still the most well-known movie by far. How could you even argue this?
Maybe if the people you talk to are big horror fans MAYBE, but The Odd Couple and Neil Simon in general is synonymous with American comedy.

>>79903243
People talk about Citizen Kane only because critics keep saying it's the greatest movie of all time (ergo, they're contrarians)

Hayao miyazaki.

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>>79903312
Pic related, IMDb demographics.
Even among older people Rosemary's (left side of pic) is way more well-known than Odd Couple

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063522/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063374/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt

>>79903348
So they talk about a movie (i.e. it's in the public consciousness) for reasons other than box-office? Thank you once again

>>79903364
Who? Speak English, mouth-breather.

>>79903384
I don't care about imdb, reddit. We're talking about real fucking life. Not everybody in the world uses imdb. I know I don't and neither does anybody I know. I doubt your dad uses imdb, but he knows Walter Matthau and Jack Lemon in Neil Simon's The Odd Couple.

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>>79899874
>this fucking guy

>>79903384
Even Friends knows The Odd Couple.

Everybody knows the song even if they haven't seen the movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrW6waab9a0

>>79903442
Not everybody uses IMDb but it's the biggest movie community online, and even among older demographics Rosemary's Baby seems to be substantially more well-known. My own personal experience corroborates that, too.

>>79903541
Don Draper knows Rosemary's Baby. What's your point?

>>79900349
You have to remember, Paths of Glory was made right around the time where pro-war propaganda films were crapped out left and right. It was a daring film, especially for a newcomer director working on his first major studio production.

>>79903569
How old are you? You can't possibly be older than 28 if you don't this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDrfHj3j398

>>79899035
nolan has been getting sloppy. im a fan of batman begin, prestige, and inception. interstellar was a big let down though.

>>79897937
Robert Aldrich
Kenneth Anger
Tex Avery
Bruce Baillie
Budd Boetticher
Frank Borzage
Stan Brakhage
Robert Breer
Robert Clampett
Larry Cohen
Bruce Conner
Joseph Cornell
George Cukor
Andre de Toth
Robert Edelstein
Blake Edwards
Robert Flaherty
John Ford
Hollis Frampton
Samuel Fuller
Ernie Gehr
D. W. Griffith
Howard Hawks
Monte Hellman
Jerome Hill
Ken Jacobs
Chuck Jones
Larry Jordan
Buster Keaton
Ernie Kovacs
George Landow
Jerry Lewis
Joseph H. Lewis
Leo McCarey
Christopher Maclaine
Joseph L. Mankiewicz
Anthony Mann
Michael Mann
Gregory J. Markopoulos
Jonas Mekas
Vincente Minnelli
Robert Mulligan
F. W. Murnau
Gerd Oswald
Sidney Peterson
Abraham Polonsky
Otto Preminger
Nicholas Ray
Ron Rice
Douglas Sirk
Harry Smith
Jack Smith
Warren Sonbert
John M. Stahl
Frank Tashlin
Jacques Tourneur
Edgar G. Ulmer
King Vidor
Josef von Sternberg
Erich von Stroheim
Raoul Walsh
Andy Warhol
Orson Welles
Chris Welsby
Paul Wendkos

Done.

>>79901780
its a comedy so its hard to compare it to the others. its amazing, but in a different way.

>>79899541
The conversation is close to that group. It's always left out.

Buñuel.

>>79903989
>animators
>short film makers

Reiner.

>1984 This is Spinal Tap
>1985 The Sure Thing
>1986 Stand by Me
>1987 The Princess Bride
>1989 When Harry Met Sally...
>1990 Misery
>1992 A Few Good Men
>2007 The Bucket List
>2010 Flipped
>2012 The Magic of Belle Isle

Haven't seen LBJ yet but hearing amazing things about that, too.

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>>79904135
Bunuel was already preceded by fritz lang and Edmund Fritz, reddit. Keep up.

>>79897937
>tfw you realize you only really like barry lyndon and fmj
>and even then they're just 'good' to you
>tfw much prefer verhoeven or carpenter
am i pleb

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>>79904031
The Conversation is shit, you mean The Rain People

>>79904198
What about Federico Fellini?

>>79904274
I only like
>Strangelove
>2001
>Cuckwork Orange
>Berry Lyndon

>>79904384
Preceded by Manoel de Oliveira

>>79897937
I like his movies, but goddamn what a fucking dick he was

He fucking sabotaged Lumet's movie Fail Safe because it was similar to dr strangelove and it was coming out earlier so he orchestrated a fucking lawsuit to slow the production of the film. It worked.

He acts exactly like the characters from his films that's for sure.

>>79904274
You're just extremely millennial.

>>79904294
conversation is good, so is the rain people

honestly coppola has more good movies than just the usual batch- godfather films, apocalypse now and the conversation. But The Outsiders and Rumble Fish is also good. Tucker: The Man and His Dream is also fine, Dracula was almost ruined by Keanu but it's still a fine film. The Rainmaker is also fine, and I really like Tetro. It's just that these films are not on the same level like Godfather 1/2 and Apocalypse Now so people ignore most of his other films.

>>79904785
>It's just that these films are not on the same level like Godfather 1/2 and Apocalypse Now so people ignore most of his other films.
Because Godfather and Apocalypse Now aren't his movies. They're Werner Herzog's and Mario Puzzo's.

>>79904854
I never got this meme

I've watched both apocalypse and aguirre and I don't see any resemblance

If you really want to scream rip-off, just say heart of the darkness. It's like saying star wars is bad because george lucas saw things as a teenager and got inspired and made it into a motion picture.

>>79903989
What is up with this list? The guy who directed House of Wax?

Ernie Kovacs?

Do you mean Carol Reed and Richard Quine?

Did you just put a bunch of random names from movies, cartoons, and experimental shorts you watched?

>>79899035
nolan is too fucking young to think about him. I really wanna know what his future films will be like. He's one of the few filmmakers to oppose digital plebs, so he will just quit filmmaking? I doubt it.

>>79904948
>I've watched both apocalypse and aguirre and I don't see any resemblance
They're literally the same plot. And they're adaptations anyway, so they're shit and don't stand as "greatest movies".

And yes, Hidden Fortress and 21-87 are better than Star Shit. You only care about Star Shit because of the special effects, simple peabrain plot, and John Williams score.

>>79899874
>A point against the man. Directors create their own story. See: Bergman, wrote and directed almost all of his stories

as much I prefer writer-director than just the director not everyone is a talented screenwriter AND director. Some people just prefer waiting for the good script to happen

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>>79898825
>Implying /tv/ watches anything but big budget American films
I'm an Antonini fan personally, but I love Bergman too.

>>79905065
>Some people just prefer waiting for the good script to happen
And that alone can't make them a greatest director.

>>79905050
>They're literally the same plot. And they're adaptations anyway, so they're shit and don't stand as "greatest movies".

so even aguirre is shit? Then why even mention it? Jesus.

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>>79904977
>Did you just put a bunch of random names from movies, cartoons, and experimental shorts you watched?
lol

>>79900643
>not good if it's not convoluted
jeez

>>79905087
>shitty wannabe Alain Resnais

>>79905050
>They're literally the same plot
No, they aren't

>>79905171
>jungle expedition and ensuing madness
>replace amazon with vietnam

>>79905263
>simplify both movies' plot to an absurd degree
>"look they're just the same!"

>>79901631
The Departed is amazing though. If we're trying to shit on later Scorsese that film is pretty much bulletproof (no pun intended)

>>79901631
I second this >>79905348 I love Departed

>>79898063
Because ruthless adherence to source material for the sake of "authenticity" (which is a fleeting and impossible goal) doesn't make good film. Any director adapting another medium should take whatever steps necessary to make it good film, even if that means significant changes.

>>79905144
Lol no, Resnais never could grasp the joy in life the way Antonini (or really an italian in general) can. Antonini is a master of using the bad to describe the good.

>>79905428
>Resnais never could grasp the joy in life the way Antonini (or really an italian in general) can. Antonini is a master of using the bad to describe the good.
Alright then shitty wannabe Urban Gad

>>79904448
Watch Spartacus

>>79905509
That's not even his movie. And there are far better more intelligent epics.

>>79899874
>And
>AND
not an argument

>>79905486
>agree he has more skill in a certain area than a director you say was better than him
>Proceed to still call him shit
Why do people get so fucking pretentious about film. No other media board is this fucking insufferable. At least you know /v/ is gonna call everything shit. Worse than fucking /lit/ in here.
Have you just seen Blow Up or something?

>>79900352
lynch doesn't even make shit anymore

>>79905633
new twin peaks is gonna make current tv shows look like fucking garbage

the time of LYNCHed has begun

you can't stop it

>>79905717
Pablo Lorrain already has him covered.

>>79903989
>Stan Brakhage
>le flashing lights man
>Andy Warhol
>le sleeping and dude eating man
>assorted no name studio era hacks
>better than Kubrick

This list is a joke man. Even guys I like on here such as Hellman can't touch Kubrick.
I'll grant you Welles

>>79906050
>studio hacks
>Even guys I like on here such as (insert New Hollywood hippie) can't touch Kubrick.
>I'll grant you Welles (hack that stole everything from Gregg Tolland, Griffith, Powell, and Ford)

Pleb-signaling of the highest order. And yes, Raoul Walsh, William Wyler, George Cukor, and Joseph Mankiewicz are better than Kubrick.

>>79906234
>Wyler
>le sad hook hands man melodrama
>Cukor
>mr."most notable thing I ever did was Hepburn/Tracy vehicle" man

>better than the staccato editing of Kane or the final sequence of Touch of Evil
>better than the dense frames of EWS or Clockwork

lol

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>>79907279
>mr."most notable thing I ever did was Hepburn/Tracy vehicle" man
>le sad hook man melodrama
Watch more films. And don't speak unless spoken to. Perhaps then you'll learn something.

>>79907279
>better than the dense frames of EWS or Clockwork
You want dense frames? Here's dense frames, embryo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iUkoIJLatI

>>79900684
>>79900822
Please stop watching film.

>>79903206

I know your meme'ing, but I have never heard of The Odd Couple, nor has anyone I know.

>>79900684
Lmao all these butthurt hipsters

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>>79904518
This, it's kind of pathetic when you read about it really.

And Sidney Lumet practically shat out kino after kino in his early life
>12 Angry Men
>The Pawnbroker
>Fail-Safe
>The Hill
>The Offence
>Dog Day Afternoon
>Network
>The Verdict

Pulled 110% out of every actor on set everytime.

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>mfw this thread

>>79908979
It's kinda weird to say since it's Sidney Lumet but he's almost kind of underrated. I mean when...
>Prince of the City
>Murder on the Orient Express
>Long Day's Journey into the Night
>Before the Devil Knows Your Dead

are your "mid-tier" you know you're a talented motherfucker. It's unfortunate that his "non-style" makes him underappreciated sometimes

Reading this thread made me realise how Reddit this place has become in all its glory. Redditors arguing with Redditors about Kubrick vs. Nolan.

You couldn't make it up.

>>79900734
this

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>Stanley Kubrick, Orson Welles, Alfred Hitchcock and Zack Snyder never won any Oscar.

Worthless rewards

Tarkovsky, Bergman and Fritz Lang far surpass Cuckbrick. Sorry to burst your bubble tho.

>>79901894
Only rhe first part is entertaining imo. Good film anyway

>>79903364
He's a genius

>>79910409
>Tarkovsky
Try Alexander Dovzhenko and Tadeusz Konwicki
>Ingmar Bergman
Try Viktor Sjostrom and Urban Gad

>Fritz Lang
Excellent but Yakov Alexandrovich Protazanov would suffice as well.

>>79897937
Truffaut was pretty good

>>79910409
>Miyazaki
>genius
He stole everything from Władysław Starewicz

>>79910612
You mean Louis Malle and Claude Chabrol?

>>79897937
>The Shining
>Clockwork Orange
>FMJ
These are his most popular and accessible, faggot.

>>79910678
>Spartacus not being overly popular and accessible

>>79910697
I was thinking about Spartacus, but it's not the same level as the aforementioned three.

>>79905348
It's a carbon copy of Infernal Affairs which still is a much better film. Departed is dishonest filmmaking

>nobody has mentioned NWR yet
Holy shit you guys are plebs

>>79910650
>comparing Malle and Chabrol to Truffaut

>>79910831
Departed has the better ending though

>>79910629
how did miyazaki stole from a stop-motion animator, you freaking retard?

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>>79897937

>>79897937
Based patrician director, most of his movies are 10/10, would watch it again.

>>79898456
Pleb comfirmed, please get the fuck out!

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>>79897937

>>79905633
Nothing more is necessary after Inland Empire.

>>79906050
Kubrick is very self conscious, he's got lots of "structure" and metaphor and so on... But just having structure and metaphor doesn't make a great film, in my view. I've probably seen fewer Kubrick films than most everyone in this thread, though from all his periods, but every one I have seen (possibly excepting the early and somewhat anomalous "Killer's Kiss") had what I would call a lack of visual structure. There are lots of ideas, and lots of visual tricks, but the spatial architecture, which in what I would call a great film consists of the way lines and surfaces and angles and light and movement combine to create the meaningful visual expression that I find in Ford and Hitchcock and Rossellini and Bresson and Brakhage and Kubelka, is lacking. His films have for me a curious visual "emptiness," a feeling that the imagery is a kind of vacant vessel for stylistic and thematic and plot flourishes ("redrum" and all that), and this is true from me from "The Killing" to "Full Metal Jacket" to "Eyes Wide Shut, to choose three I've seen in recent years. Their hollow core suggests "A. I." (which I also disliked) as his perfect subject, I suppose, as was HAL, but he doesn't do enough with that hollowness in his own films to make it an expression in itself.

As a war movie, "Full Metal Jacket" seemed rather predictable too -- I just *knew* it was the African-American who would get killed.

>>79898456
No!

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>>79904977
>The guy who directed House of Wax?
I'm guessing you haven't seen Day of the Outlaw?

>>79913498
So a low budget western is better than anything Kubrick made?

Boy, if this isn't pure unfiltered contrarianism, I don't know what is.

>>79913573
Its plebism on a whole new level!

>>79913609
No, seriously. How is a low budget western better than anything he's ever made? Are you just naming random things from random years in a vain attempt to sound intelligent?

>>79900349
>punishing cowardice is bad
You realize the romans would kill 1 in 10 of their own soliders just to keep the rest in line. That shit works but it's fucked up.

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>>79913722
Day of the Outlaw is better than anything Kubrick ever made because the images themselves express the meaning of the film; the long pan across the snowy, desolate landscape showing a space in which is utterly hostile to the characters and their conflict. Kubrick's images don't express anything other than a curious emptiness, which isn't thematically related to anything in the film, as described here: >>79913018

>>79897937
I mean, Kubrick has an impeccable track record. But he's only made a handful of films, so other filmmakers like Scorcese (who's good to bad ratio is 2/3 at the very least) give him a good competition.

The one thing Kubrick has going for him is the great ammount of genres his filmography covers, which shows how he wasn't a one trick pony.

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>>79897937
Fucking easy

>>79900047
This

>>79903989
>all of these cartoonists and no Ralph Bakshi

kys my man

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>>79913866
>Kubrick's images don't express anything other than a curious emptiness
Oh fuck off. You're just spouting bullshit because you found a random flick that got a Master of Cinema bluray release (which I don't know how the fuck they let that slip by). And based on reading the premise, it doesn't even sound unique or even the first of its kind since Vera Cruz already came out like 5 years earlier. Pic-related is more profound than your little B movie, and the bone transforming into the spaceship is the greatest jump cut in history

>>79913938
Every Altman film I've seen has been garbage, he wasted Sterling Hayden in A Long Goodbye, I got Elliott Gould muttering for two hours instead.

>>79914013
>You're just spouting bullshit because you found a random flick that got a Master of Cinema bluray release
I saw the film circa 2007 and was aware of it for years before then, long before any blu-ray release.

> And based on reading the premise, it doesn't even sound unique or even the first of its kind since Vera Cruz already came out like 5 years earlier.
I'm not claiming it is the first of its kind, but that doesn't matter for greatness. Based on the content and style of the film itself, it is great. The long panning shot across the snowy landscape is greater than anything in Kubrick.

>Pic-related is more profound than your little B movie, and the bone transforming into the spaceship is the greatest jump cut in history
Any of the cuts in 21-87 are greater than this.

>>79905428
>joy of life - master of using the bad to describe the good
I'm not sure that's what Antonioni is particularly doing. His movies are concerned with man's awkward position in the modern world, a world of technology and science in which morality is still shackled to a 2000 year-old model. Some of his films show the characters coming to terms with that reality and it's the dialogue between these things that make Antonioni's films so interesting.

>>79914080
You need to leave

>>79914122
>Any of the cuts in 21-87 are greater than this.
no effort trash. No LITERALLY that short is trash found on the floor and compiled together haphazardly. You're an A-class contrarian, guy. You will go nowhere but you'll keep it up anyway.

>>79910239
Didn't Welles or Hitchcock got a lifetime achievement award?

>>79898456
You are correct
>>79912481
Pleb post senpai. You are unironically that

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>ctrl+f Lumet
>4 results

There is some hope for /tv/ after all.

>>79914194
You are mistaken. Lipsett shot the majority of the footage in 21-87 himself. The cut in 2001 is a clever idea, but it's not really expressive the way the cuts in 21-87 and other Lipsett films are.

>>79914332
>directed The Wiz
Fuck off

>>79899042
names?

>>79914715
Back to /v/eddit.

>>79914715
Tarkovsky, Nicholas Ray, Michael Powell, and Roman Polanski

>>79899035
>Nolan
>anything more than a glorified plot-spinner

Theres nothing artistic or challenging in Nolan movies.

Malick is the correct comparison

>>79897937
David Yates

He even surpassed Nolan in gross. /tv/ btfo

>>79914948
funny goy

>>79913722
Woah dude, wait a minute.
I was not the one who was talking about low budget western and whatnot, i was simply saying on a whole level.

>>79900047
Fucking this. No one can even be compared with Andrei.

>>79915565
I must admit that I viscerally hated Tarkovsky's "Nostalgia" and completely hated the use of Beethoven in it. I've seen it only once, but none of the Tarkovsky films that I have seen did I think are really good.

>>79914892
Fuck off hipster

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Reminder

>>79915637
This. Only truth.
>inb4 b-but please, I understand art!

>>79915637
This. Kubrick is goat with a flawless resume.

James Rolfe.

>>79915741
Completely wrong. >>79913018

>>79915776
kubrick does not speak to me meme needs to die

@79915776
I'm not reading your autism scroll

>>79915637
I really have to agree.

>>79915846
Kubrick does not speak to me.

>>79915864
Good now that you've reached acceptance, jump off a cliff

>>79899035
>Nolan but no Fincher or Denis

nah man.