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azor post

Modern day Isaac Hempstead Wright

>>79763906
Just let them die anon.

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Daily reminder that Stannis IS alive in canon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m0Ux01BAjI&t=12s

>>79764208
Sorry anon, GRRM slipped up and referred to him in the past tense on his blog.

>>79764260
Give me a break. The guy hasn't written a single page in years. He's forgotten the entire plot, let alone specific character storylines

>>79764297
(You) are retarded if you seriously believe this

>>79764312
You are retarded if >you think TWOW will ever be published. Fat cunt will have cardiac arrest within the year, if not sooner

>>79764343
You are retarded if >(You) don't think TWOW will get published

Reminder that these are all real historical characters in ASOIAF
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Elmo_Tully
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Kermit_Tully
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Grover_Tully
GRRM has lost it

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>>79764376
fucking reddit

>>79764377
People know GRRM doesn't take ASOIAF seriously at all right? He throws in stupid references all the time.

His true passion is Wild Cards

>>79764409
>waah he's not conforming to my opinion
>better call anon reddit, that'll do the trick

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>>79764440
>muh not conforming meme arrow non-argument

literally the embodiment of reddit. go back to r/asoiaf. shoo shoo

>>79764507
>waaah he's still not conforming to my opinion
>better throw more "REDDIT REEE" accusations at him

pathetic

>>79764573
probably the most reddit response you could have given

>>79764416
>900 Wild Card books have been released this year alone
Why does he keep writing them?

>>79764608
There you go with the "reddit" namecalling again. Don't you know anything else you niggerfaggot?

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>>79764633
>niggerfaggot
>trying this hard to appear non-reddit

>>79764507
Half of /got/ flooded in from r/plebfolk.

>>79764885
This is now a /bran/ general. Post more bran

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>>79764974

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Don't forget to visit /lbg/>>79756685

>>79763906
Why ain't there no niggers in game of thrones?

I heard season 7's whole plot got leaked, anyone have a link or post a summary

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>>79765546
>being this blind

>>79765546

umm what about the african slaves that the strong and independent dragon queen resuces ???

>>79765746
reminder that he was white in the book

>>79765963
as was areo hotah for that matter

>>79765746
Reminder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQBGmBOhQEE

>>79765734
Why is this posted every single thread

>>79765734
you want the basic gestalt or the big enchilada

>>79766329
Is like as much info as you have

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/our girl/

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>>79766363

Will a quick rundown suffice?

>>79767221
I get the feeling that structurally that thing wouldn't stay standing for long

>>79764376
TWOW is never going to be finished by GRRM. He's sick of the series, wrote himself into a corner, and is doing everything he possibly can to avoid writing. We're 6 years in and he's still spewing the same excuses he was 2 years ago with no end in sight. And IF, IF the stars somehow align and the fat fuck manages to pull his shit together and finish TWOW, there is literally ZERO chance he'll finish the 1 or maybe 2 books after that needed to finish the series.

>>79767338
That's another thing, how can you NOT be bored to your bones about writing the same story (STORY, not even the setting) for 20 years? I almost feel sorry for that fat piece of shit (but I don't)

>>79767338
>TWOW is never going to be finished by GRRM. He's sick of the series, wrote himself into a corner, and is doing everything he possibly can to avoid writing.
There is no irrefutable evidence supporting this

>We're 6 years in and he's still spewing the same excuses he was 2 years ago with no end in sight.
You're forgetting that he's said the same stuff about ADWD and AFFC and ASOS before m80

>And IF, IF the stars somehow align and the fat fuck manages to pull his shit together and finish TWOW, there is literally ZERO chance he'll finish the 1 or maybe 2 books after that needed to finish the series.
You never know

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>>79767338
>>79767366
He's basically a slave to that story, if he doesn't write it (and is still alive) the world will shit on him. Guy has no choice but to write about it until he dies lol

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>>79765153
>>79764974
thanks guys

When the fuck is S7? June? Trying to decide when to start my re-watch

>>79768485
Mid-to-late June or early July

Just realized Jaime wasn't being a dick in S1E2 when he said "It's only for life" to Jon Snow

He meant that the Kings Guard is fucking shit work and he's stuck at it and Jon is giving his life away to something probably equally boring

Damn.....

>>79765805
eunuch soldiers are so fucking dumb
why did grrm come up with this

>>79767366
yeah i imagine he's pretty bored with it all by now

Who fucking cares if TWOW is ever published? Look at how barely anything happened in AFFC/ADWD, and look at the pacing of the sample chapters, it's even worse. TWOW will barely advanced the story.

>>79767291
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Rhodes

You're correct.

>>79763906
the white walkers are the stark kings of old. they bind the spirits in the crypts with swords to prevent the return of vengeful spirits.

hence why the night king requires crasters sons as the bodies for the spirits that have become unsealed.

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Dany is a qt3.14

>>79772312
She generally looks quite pretty in the show, to the point that I want to sniff her butthole

>>79771570
It's honestly boggling just how much GRRM is up his own ass that he spends whole chapters on nothing but scenery and food descriptions. Or he's just desperately trying to fill some pages because he's out of story material.

>>79771570
TWOW will go up to BOTB if that

game of thrones was a mistake

>>79772369
i thought stannis was gonna take winterfell in twow though

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>>79772312
and thicc

"And now, finally after all these years, I have become the Game of Thrones."

what did they mean by this?

>>79774609
it means you're a faggot m8

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Maisie

>>79773585
Liar

>>79774806
>ywn lick her anus

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wew wouldnt want this thread to die

>>79776880
Why not? All threads must die.

>>79776996
i want this thread to live a full and happy life and die after the bump limit with a babby thread to carry on its legacy

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goodnight, /got/
hope you amerifats are waking up and don't let this one die early again

sansa dies end of season 7 but old lady mel will resurrect her in 8

>>79777425
So,
>the Mountain
shit tier
>meh tier
littlefinger
>mid tier
obvious white walkers
>high tier
??? noone comes to mind offhand
>Great tier
Jaime Lannister?
>Elder god tier
Tywin Lannister. One of the ones on this list I'm more confident in.

>>79778168
whoops messed up my greentext.
inb4

>>79764376
GRRM wasn't working on it for the longest time because the show was doing a good adaptation at first and he relaxed saying D&D can finish it. It was until they cut most his plots and rushed the rest in season five that he started to actually write.

>>79778168
Jaime Lannister isn't a villain though

>>79778297
I suppose there is an argument for that, but there's also an argument that there are few "villains" in GoT. Who would you pick for
>great tier
instead?

>>79778344
Cat

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Who still unironically thinks the books are ever coming out?

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Is Cleganebowl cancel? ;_;

>>79778906
Oh yeah, thats good. But wouldn't she be high tier?

>>79778950
My mom. No joke, she got pretty into the show, then bought the books and read them. Meanwhile I gradually lost interest and hype for both the show and the books. Now she's been asking me for a while when the next one is coming. I feel bad for her.

>>79777425
>Stannis
>Villain
So are these dead threads overrun by RedditWalkers now?

>>79779050
It's so dead that I'm pretty sure Sandor goes south to the Dragonpit where Gregor is and nothing comes of it.

>>79772280
No they are the spirits of aborted would-be-telepaths. So one of the others is the soul of lysa and baelish son. The cousin of the stark kids

Gendrick

>>79764933
Thats because plebfolk got invaded by Tumblr and has become an insufferable reddit shithole

>>79768537
>tfw no one watches this season because they're all out on vacation
Why did hbo let this happen?

>>79780935
Hbogo my main man

>>79778297
yes he is

could a dual-wielding Arthur Dayne escape from the Bolton shield wall ?

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>>79764673
This smug bitch

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>>79764673
This fucking bitch

>>79764974
No! Jaqenposters report!

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>>79765546
You were saying?

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>>79766947
/my man/

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>>79763906
oh thank god we're back. I felt dead on the inside without this place.

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>>79768537
Summer? Seven Hells!

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These guys are fucking idiots

>Cast members of HBO monster hit “Game of Thrones” endured severe winter weather while filming in Iceland the past few weeks.

>Stars were said to include Kit Harington (Jon Snow), Liam Cunningham (Davos Seaworth), Joe Dempsie (Gendry), Rory McCann (Sandor “the Hound”) and Kristofer Hivju (Tormund Giantsbane). They have been shooting amid 100-mph winds and a minus 25 Centigrade (minus 13 Fahrenheit) wind chill...

>And the winds made it hard to record the dialogue between characters. The insider continued, “High winds caused words to be ‘whipped away’ — shouting became the norm. And despite the cold, there was an issue with a lack of snow in the lowland locations.

>“There are small hotels in the remote areas, and often the only guests are the shoot crew.”

>It is believed that members of the Night’s Watch head north of the Wall on a mission during Season 7 of “Game of Thrones.”

>HBO has not yet confirmed the start date for the much-anticipated new season, but it is believed to be sometime this summer.

http://pagesix.com/2017/02/20/game-of-thrones-cast-suffers-through-bone-chilling-weather/

They could shoot literally anyway where else in the world with snow like say scottland which is a million times easier to do and closer to Ireland jeez

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>>79783262
dont be retarded

>they'll keep you safer better than I ever could
>they know the land better than we ever could
Not to mention Mance's good fortune line, which was great when he said it to Stannis, got ruined by being reused.
Why the hell do they do this ?

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>>79783164
>>79783225
hmmm

>>79784237
Le epic lines.

Like 20 GOOD. MEN. because they're hacks

Reminder Stannis knows about Jon's true parentage and keeps pestering him to legitimize him so he can't claim his throne when he finds out. Also he and Marsh conspired together because Stannis wrote the Pink Letter himself and promised Marsh the position of Lord Commander if he can kill Jon so that he can revive him to place him at Winterfell under the name Jon Stark.

How would you honestly react if that happened? More importantly how would Stannis have learned about Jon's true lineage?

>Ned didn't legitimize Jon
>Ned didn't marry Jon off to another Great House
>Ned didn't into Southron Ambitions besides marrying his daughter to Joffrey
>did nothing that'd save him and his family from Robert's wrath if he finds out Jon's the result of legendary cuckolding (he's crazy if he thinks Robert will be okay with Jon at the Wall and Ned lying all these years)

Epic fail

>>79784759

Couldn't Ned have married Bran off to the woman Ramsey married for her lands then killed in Clash? Everytime I re-read these books I find more excuses to hate the Starks for how stupid they were in decision making.

>>79784894
>marry a 9 year old to an old woman

lol no

Can we agree on one thing

The Qyburn killing Pycelle scene was almost as good as Varys killing Kevan. That was folding storylines done right

>>79776996
Valthread Morghulis

>>79785175
Little kids killed Pycelle you dunce.

>>79785175
>The Qyburn killing Pycelle scene was almost as good as Varys killing Kevan. That was folding storylines done right
no

Who has a better chance of rallying a smallfolk revolt in Winds? I'd say Varys or Sandor.

>>79785175
The dialogue didn't make much sense.
>before we usher in the new, the old must first be put to rest
Literally what did he mean by this? He couldn't have known Tommen would an hero. Faith Militant is hardly old in this context. Was he just talking about him taking Pycelle's job? He was already doing that, he got his lab and everything.

And why was it even happening in the first place? Pycelle was literally on his way to getting blown up when the little bird summoned him to Qyburn's lab.

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>>79779101
your mom ? nigga ya mother is a whore, ya know ? fuck jour mother fucking nerd 4channer whoreson!

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>>79783800
Dont be stupid

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>>79784303
what is ya problem you pedo fag?!

>>79785374
if i remember in adwd Varys did it to make Cersei even more paranoid that the Tyrells are going to take over but on the show its for le edgey shock value for muh ripped off godfather 2 sequence.

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>>79785450

>>79764933
>>79780879
its funny how the 12 year olds of freefolk think theyre special because they talk about spoilers and have no self awareness to the fact that the worst asoiaf/got discussions of all time take place there

>HAHA WHO IS SANSA GOING TO END UP WITH? ANYONE LIKE SANSA? CHICKEN MEME CHICKEN MEME SANSAN MEME? WHY DOES EVERYONE HERE HATE SANSA? GOSH I REALLY LOVE JON SNOW HE SURE IS THE BEST AT EVERYTHING. HAHA SANSA SANSA SANSA

>>79786539
>>HAHA WHO IS SANSA GOING TO END UP WITH?
>literally two threads right now about jonsa and the Emmy pic of Emilia and Sophie looking at Kit

KEK

>>79786539
you forgot excessive autistic censorship of every post that doesnt lick kit's balls or otherwise conform to their normie opinion on every single topic.

Assuming GRRM doesn't finish the books where do you think Jorah is going? Because he's just JonCon in the show.

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wigglewiggle wop!

>>79786756
jorah will fuck dany with his stone dick

>>79786539
>>79786748
yeah this place may be annoying and boring but at least i can say Kit is uncharismatic talentless and bordering on ugly and Jon is an overrated shit protagonist without having a thousand middle school girls write long melodramatic walls of text at me

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>>79786868
you don't stop!!!

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HE WAS A CONSUL OF YUNKAI

>>79763906
I just now noticed

he looks like fucking Richard Stallman holy fucking shit

>>79786894
what

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how hairy

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Madelaine Petsch is a Superior In Literally Every Way Imaginable version of boygeorge turner.

s7 wen

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>>79787535
hopefully never

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people unironically fancast boygeorge as Ariel over this natural ginger beauty

>>79787535
Just in it for nudity, hope to see a frontal of ellie and maybe more Carice.

>>79787511
red heads are the least attractive people after blacks.

>>79787511
>>79787631
Literally who?

>>79787511
superior as in "i secretly hope she packs a weiner down there"?
because that's a dude, bro. Sophie turner might not be a 10/10 but she's pretty hot in a dirty russian kinda way

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>>79787671
sophie turner is an unattractive redhead, yes

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>>79787729
>assless stickfigure marshmallowhead cokebloat turner
>hot

game of plebs shills actually think this. watch something else for once, loser

>>79787671
and pajeets are uglier than blacks. literally they're so fucking ugly. you sometimes see an attractive nigger, but will never EVER see an attractive or even remotely good looking pajeet.

>>79787631
>not a lipless white

already wins.

>>79787802
>stickfigure
what u talking about? she's way closer to being THICC than being a stickfigure. She's quite curvy.
Your girl looks like a tranny (a budget bella thorne?) and she's a total nobody, why are you being autistic over her?

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>>79787897
>lost 100 pounds due to lohan level drug abuse
>"thicc"

>literal lego blockhead twin of boygeorge
>not a tranny

>>79787974
please post whatever pics of turner that make you say she's a stick. Because i never seen any

>>79788010
Im not posting fugly balding skeletor turner pictures, i just ate lunch

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>>79786442
....nerd

>>79788050
lying fag

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>>79787729
>but she's pretty hot in a dirty russian kinda way

No

>>79787743
>>79787802
That is most definitely a man senpai

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>>79788098
delusional tranny boygeorgefag

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>>79788098
you wot mate ?

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>>79788010
Not trannyfag

>>79788128
>redditors think this is """""THICC"""""""'""

>>79788164
never seen such an ugly man in all my life. dont do drugs kids

>>79788128
what the fuck is wrong with her scalp

>>79787876
dude

thats racist

>>79788128
well time's not being so nice on her. She used to have fuller legs and ass.
She's still fine, that's just a bad candid picture. Only adriana lima looks good on those

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>>79788322
>just a bad candid picture

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>>79788322
>that's just a bad candid picture

It's not.

Her ass is flat and she's lost too much weight

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>>79788412

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>>79788322
not so nice on ms lohan's face either.

>>79774806

>all those bras and still no tits.

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What did she mean by this? Was it 2deep4u bullshit like sending a message to god?

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Bump

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when the fuck are they gonna use this fucking sorcerer?

>>79790328
Never, he probably starved to death in there after Varys left

>S07e10
>The Night King has been recast
>he's a lot more orange now
>he revealed that the Westerosi are literally the mexicans of the world
>"When Westeros is sending their people north, they aren't sending their best!"
>"Some of them are rapist, murderers!"
>"BOOOOOOO!!" goes the audience track, added since the start of season 7
>John Snow heroically flies in on a dragon
>"OI SEAMS WE BE HAFFIN SUM RAEACIST OOVER HEARE"
>"TUH POOWER OF TUH WESTEROSI PEEPLUH IS IN TOHLERAHNCE, DIE-FER-SUH-TIE AND MUHLTIKUHLTURHAH-LISM"
>"WI BULT BRIDGUS, NOT WAAHLS!"
>the audience goes wild
>dany and her squad of power wymyn all fly in over the wall on dragons
>several dozen fullgrown dragons are added midseason to her entourage, its not even properly explained
>"Night Kringf, your days of dividing, mansplaining, and causing outbreaks of homophobia, xenophobia and islamophobia are OVER!"
>"I have one last alternative fact up my sleeve" says the Night King
>"Its time for the ICE age!"
>several thousand federal officers start deporting illegal Westerosi south of the wall
>dany and her squad make a big fuss online in their safespaces and bar 1 or 2 years people from speaking at a university but that's it
>The Night King deports all the illegal aliens, gets back the jobs from Braavos and Makes the Land Beyond the Wall Great Again

The End

HBO I better have my paycheck by the end of this month I swear

dead

THREAD

>>79791211
Never

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>>79791691
fucking 4 channer nerd

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>>79792138
wat is going on there ?

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hey boyz iz time to sleep !!
lol xd tommorow party at lisa house

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>>79792339
fucking kek reddit =lol
4 chan= poop

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>>79792295
focking class dud good times bro good times!

>>79763906
>Bobby B

That's funny. I like that.

>>79787511
>>79787631

The funny thing is that you don't even seem to realize whoever that is 100% looks like a tranny.

>>79784759
legitimising your bastard is the easiest way to ruin your alliance with your wife's house
>>79784894
pretty sure ned was in the dungeons when that woman was widowed

>>79793289
>your alliance with your wife's house

You're still married to her, you still have 5 kids with her, and their words are still Family, Duty, Honor. The Tullys would still side with Ned otherwise they'd be letting their nieces, nephews or grandchildren die.

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>>79787671
Where did we get a hold of this pic?

>>79794039
still, legitimising jon would be essentially an insult to house tully and wouldn't really serve any other purpose

>>79794808
Southron ambitions m8.

Marry your kids into powerful Houses. If Robert finds out who Jon really is, you now have a lot of allies. If he doesn't, House Stark has still spread its influence to the other kingdoms and has more allies.

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>>79763906
>Bobby B Edition

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>>79767402

I'm guessing GRRM is waiting for the shitty HBO series to conclude, at which point he'll essentially novelize the tv show and claim that's what he had planned all along.

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>>79783684
>They could shoot literally anyway where else in the world with snow like say scottland

'Murrican here, and it's my understanding that it rarely snows in Scotland.

I'd have filmed in Norway, which not only has snow but since it isn't a barren wasteland incapable of supporting human life, trees.

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>>79784759
>Ned didn't legitimize Jon

Only the king can legitimize bastards and while Robert would have been fine with that, it would have only caused trouble for Eddard with Catelyn, who would rightly fear that her (legitimate) children with Eddard could be excluded from inheriting.

>>79787511
>>79787631
>>79793166
I watch shemale porn, can confirm.
sarina looks girlier than that.

>>79796647
depends whose customs you follow. At least in the south, male siblings take precedence over female siblings, which is why Ned would be lord of Winterfell before Lyanna. Therefore Jon would only have a claim after all the other Starks were dead. IIRC

But then, Northerners are weird, and decided he was KitN even though Sansa was right there.

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>>79789024
>What did she mean by this?

Margaery was letting her grandmother Olenna that she was still a loyal Tyrell and not a convert of the crazy High Sparrow and that Olenna should play along.

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>>79796783
>Therefore Jon would only have a claim after all the other Starks were dead.

No, If Jon Snow is legitimized and becomes Jon Stark, he takes 2nd place in the line of succession after Robb and before Bran > Rickon > Sansa > Arya.

>>79797088
why? He is Lyannas child, not Ned's. Stannis's children can't vie with Roberts (if Robert actually had trueborn children)

>>79797150
whoops forgot to finish. Stannis's children can't (legitimately) vie with Roberts, how could Lyanna's vie with Neds?

Kevan Lannisters kids aren't even in the same universe when it comes to considering heirs for Casterly Rock

>>79797187
they're discussing legitimisation under everyone's in-universe belief that jon is ned's bastard

>>79797270
ah okay. Missed that.

Am I the only one that immediately thought he had a decent claim to the iron throne? That would be fun to watch play out

>>79797357
Being Rhaegars son he literally has the best claim to the throne

>>79797385
illegitimate, but yeah thats what I was thinking. If he got legitimized....Jon beats Dany to it and everyones favorite feminist hero gets surprisingly denied?

>>79797357
about as much claim as gendry

>>79797419
true, but Gendry wasn't Targaryen and never had a shot at legitmacy

>>79797481
jon will never have a shot at targ legitimacy either
stark, maybe, but not targ

>>79797088
Not necessarily

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/The_Hornwood_Inheritance_and_the_Whents

>... What about bastards who have been legitimized, do they go in at the end after the trueborn kids, or according to birth order? What about widows? And what about the will of the deceased? Can a lord disinherit one son, and name a younger son as heir? Or even a bastard?
>There are no clear cut answers, either in Westeros or in real medieval history. Things were often decided on a case by case basis. A case might set a precedent for later cases... but as often as not, the precedents conflicted as much as the claims.

>>79797532
because only Bran knows? Yeah, sucks. It would be fun to make him have to decide between the two

>>79797532
>implying

He'd be dead last for Stark succession but right fucking there for Targaryen succession.

He's Rhaegar's son and George has been hiding it for a reason

>>79782930
you know what pisses me off?

That damn giant had a club when he was fighting zombies, but conveniently doesnt when he's trying to break through a shield wall. Fucking waving a shield around at their spears.

>>79797592
who the fuck would legitimise him as a targ?
>implying mad queen dany and (f)aegon won't want to off him immediately if they find out about his heritage

>>79782930
yeah I hated that he didn't have Dawn. I really wanted to see that sword and see one guy with a giant sword fighting against multiple opponents

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>>79797150
>>79797187
> why? He is Lyannas child, not Ned's.

Oh, I thought you were suggesting Eddard get Jon Snow legitimized as _his_ son.

If you’re asking why Eddard didn’t seek to get Jon Snow legitimized as Jon Targaryen, it’s because King Robert would freak out and kill Jon Snow-Targaryen and maybe depose Eddard for lying to him and hiding a member of the overthrown dynasty.

> Stannis's children can't (legitimately) vie with Roberts, how could Lyanna's vie with Neds?

Any kids Lyanna may have had couldn’t supplant any Stark kids, unless the Stark line died out, at which point the North would be inherited by Jon Targaryen and his kids.

> Kevan Lannisters kids aren't even in the same universe when it comes to considering heirs for Casterly Rock

Kevan kids would inherit Casterly Rock if Tyrion were to die and seeing as how Cersei is a Baratheon by marriage now and out of the running and Jaime is in the Kingsguard and can’t inherit and Tyrrion has been attainted and has a price in his head and Kevan has been murdered by Varys, Kevan's kids _are_ getting Casterly Rock.

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>arya goes through this whole convoluted faceless man process
>finishes her final test
>jaq'off lets her go
>she didn't actually learn any skills of a true faceless man or even a common assassin other than fighting blind with a stick against an equally sized and equipped opponent and wearing one face

wew lad i cant wait for her amazing return she'll be such an amazing character rivaled only next to danny "plotpoint muh drags orbit-queen" khaleesi

>>79797671
>implying he's not already legitimate
>implying fatty's 20+ year in the making twist isn't that Jon is the legitimate son of Rhaegar cause lol polygamy, lol WE LOVE RHAEGAR

Oy vey

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>>79797385
>Being Rhaegars son he literally has the best claim to the throne

Hold on there, Jon Snowgaryen.

>>79797742
>how Cersei is a Baratheon by marriage now

Not that anon but she's not.

You can't marry into royalty. That's why they all call her Cersei Lannister and never Cersei Baratheon or Lady Baratheon. Been this way for all non-Targaryen consorts too.

>>79797742
Yeah, I was thinking of him being legitimized as Lyannas son but I guess there would be no way to do that without Robert knowing he was Rhaegars son and then subsequently losing his shit.

And as for the Lannisters, yeah I meant before Tyrion did the whole patricide and exile and when Tywin still thought Jaime should be heir

>>79797788
Makes you wonder what happened to Aegon

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>>79797552
>Things were often decided on a case by case basis.

Sure, but it's implied in GoT that legitimatization means just that; a legitimate legal descendant and thus in line for the succession by order of birth.

This is exactly why Catelyn is so pissed at Robb for legitimatizing Jon Snow in his will; Jon will supersede Bran, Rickon, Sansa and Arya once he becomes a legal Stark.

>>79797773
under no religion or culture in westeros would jon be considered legitimate
even the fat cunt knows how awfully contrived it would be for everyone to suddenly accept him as rhaegar's trueborn son

>>79798011
>This is exactly why Catelyn is so pissed at Robb for legitimatizing Jon Snow in his will; Jon will supersede Bran, Rickon, Sansa and Arya once he becomes a legal Stark.
she thinks bran, rickon and arya are all dead at that point and she knows sansa is now lady lannister
she was suggesting some distant cousins from the vale to inherit winterfell over jon stu

>>79798032
>under no religion or culture in westeros would jon be considered legitimate

Didn't stop Aegon, won't stop Rhaegar and Jon.

You and I both know it'll happen anon. Fat man's a hack, accept it and get lubed up already

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>>79797851
>That's why they all call her Cersei Lannister

It doesn’t change the nature of marriage in Westeros.

There is a Latin term I can’t remember at the moment that states; “the father is all powerful” in the family and his word is law and clearly this is also the legal and cultural tradition in Westeros.

This also means that the “husband is all powerful” and once a girl marries a man, she is completely under his control and is essentially no longer a legal member of her birth family, as far as inheritance and such.

Once Cersei married Robert, she was out of the running to inherit Casterly Rock and at this point in the story, it would be inherited by Kevan’s son Martyn Lannister (as Lancel has effectively renounced his position by joining the Warrior's Sons).

>>79798496
Prove that applies in ASOIAF.

Pro-tip, you can't.

Cersei Lannister is still LANNISTER

>>79798496
Different anon.
Putting the cloak on the bride is a symbol of it. Sansa becomes a lannister, then a bolton bolton (although the whole north knows both weddings are shams)

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>>79798082
> she thinks bran, rickon and arya are all dead at that point and she knows sansa is now lady lannister

Catelyn is so deluded by grief, that she still thinks Arya is alive somewhere and that Sansa’s marriage to Tyrion could be annulled and even that Bran and Rickon might possibly not be dead.

This is why she freed Jaime; she actually believed that would work.

> she was suggesting some distant cousins from the vale to inherit winterfell over jon stu

Because Catelyn is such a cunt that she couldn’t spare a single thought for Jon Snow, even if it meant the fall of House Stark and collapse of the North.

>>79798753
meant for >>79798608

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>>79798608
>Prove that applies in ASOIAF.

It's European legal tradition and Westeros is an analog for England/Europe, thus it stands to reason that it would also be the legal tradition in Westeros.

Get over it Cersei, you're out of the running.

>>79798753
>>79798789
Cersei is Lady of Casterly Rock in the books in a time where Kevan's alive as are his kids and other Lannisters. She didn't stop being a Lannister or inheriting.

And she's literally still called Cersei Lannister.

>>79798878
>literally no proof
>literally no examples from the books

lol

See >>79798886

>>79798886
>Cersei is Lady of Casterly Rock in the books in a time where Kevan's alive as are his kids and other Lannisters.

And Gurm has repeatedly shown that he doesn't know medieval history for shit.

Just as in Europe back in oldy timey days, nobody in Westeros would stand for a married daughter inheriting when the uncle and nephews are still alive, it would fuck up inheritance all over Westeros.

>>79798886
right but thats atypical. People think its odd and comment on it. Like they comment on how Joff has lions on his clothes as well as stags when usually children only have their fathers house. They think its weird the mothers family is even mentioned

>>79798982
Except in pesky Dorne

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>>79798913
> expecting a doctoral thesis on a Nepalese basket weaving board

Do you own leg work, you lazy Summer Islander but whether you like it or not, that's how it was.

>>79798777
>she still thinks Arya is alive somewhere and that Sansa’s marriage to Tyrion could be annulled and even that Bran and Rickon might possibly not be dead.
she literally thinks none of this
wtf are you on about

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>>79799041
>Except in pesky Dorne

I don't think that tradition applies across the board in Dorne, (if it does, Gurm is stupid) I believe it's only for House Martell due to the somewhat unique founding of the noble house.

>>79799139
I'm not aware of any lower lords being discussed significatly so theres likely no way to know.

But in general I think you're right

>>79798982
>>79799005
And yet it happened.

So irl European shit /= how stuff works in Westeros and Cersei can and indeed does inherit

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why is she so perfect?

>>79799193
I agree she likely will, but I think that will be counter to the accepted custom and what the majority of the characters would expect. I think she will do so via sheer power and fear, and that it will be despite the protests of her family and others.

Not saying your prediction is wrong, just that it will break precedent.

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Also RIP, she says 'during my time on the show' on the interview. Def a dead bitch now

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>>79799193
>So irl European shit /= how stuff works in Westeros and Cersei can and indeed does inherit

Since we don't have the complete unabridged library of Westerosi laws, we have to read-between-the-lines and extrapolate and that means Westerosi law would more then likely mirror that of old Europe.

This is a medieval feudal society we're talking about here, where the warrior class absolutely rules. Women aren't inheriting and married women sure as shit aren't inheriting, when there are living male members of her birth family still around.

>>79799308
It's not a prediction, she already IS the Lady of Casterly Rock in the books

>>79799449
oh, I've only gotten through them once, guess I forgot that. I just assumed people here tend to be talking about the show when they make predictions for the future, because we may never get the last books, but we definitely will get the show.

Also, this is /tv/

>>79799377
It doesn't apply anon, accept it

>Her uncle was unmoved. "If you are resolved against another marriage, I will not force it on you. As to the other, though . . . you are the Lady of Casterly Rock now. Your place is there."

>>79767221
You think they looked up and saw his twig and berries?

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>>79799449
>It's not a prediction, she already IS the Lady of Casterly Rock in the books

Only because Kevan acceded to her wishes and Gurm is a dumbass.

>>79799529
>I'm not wrong, the author is

Top zozzles

>>79799500
>>79799449
I swear I remember when they were talking about Dorne and how the women inherit there the same as the men, that that was a major difference between Dorne and the rest of Westeros. I still think Cersei inheriting is an anomaly

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>>79799308
>just that it will break precedent.

Sure, I could see a temporary situation like that happening due to Kevan being a pussy and Cersei's strong personality.

If events had taken a different turn and Robert died, Joffrey became king and Cersei went back home, she could be "Lady of Casterly Rock" for her lifetime but once she died, that farce would be over and Martyn Lannister would inherit.

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>>79799575
>I'm not wrong, the author is

Well, Gurm is wrong. Medieval Westerosi society would collapse into anarchy if women could legally inherit over men, as uncles and nephews would launch civil wars to "keep it in the family", which is what inheritance is ALL ABOUT.

That's simply the kinda society it was back then.

>>79799734
maybe thats the point. Cersei sending Westeros into chaos

>>79799767

Like I said here >>79799607 a temporary and honorary situation like that could happen but that's not the "law of the land".

gurm is fricken durm

>>79799734
damn is that the actual geography of the westerlands?
how are the lords of that rocky little shitpile able to outmass the riverlords?

>>79799839
lots and lots of gold?

Maybe its not all mountains but lots of hills?

>>79799811
u rite

>>79797851
Why was Selyse a Baratheon then? Why as Margaery a Baratheon? Why was Talisa/Jeyne a Stark?

>>79800001
Because that anon was wrong. Cersei is an exception.

>>79799934
hills that can block armies from passing (IE around the golden tooth) aren't going to be of much agricultural use
and gold doesnt feed armies or make the population increase, lots of fertile land does that

>>79800052
yeah dunno desu just shootin in tha dark. Not sure exactly where the reach starts, but there are some plains to the south it looks like.

>>79800001
i think the wife taking the name of the husband's house happens more on a case-by-case basis
like there's no way anyone's gonna call Genna Lannister a Frey

>>79800001
They're not part of the monarchy/royal family

>>79800104
Seems for of a lannister thing

>>79800190
Neither was Cersei?

>>79800190
They all were brides of kings. About as royal as it gets.
>>79800104
I think its custom for the wife to take the husbands name but apparently people bend it. Cersei, because she hates Roberts guts and is clearly a Lannister at heart, dresses her kids in Lannister clothes. I could also see any females of major houses not wanting to change their name to Frey, for obvious reasons, Seems like the children still get stuck with their fathers surnames in both cases though.

>>79800031
Nope.

Look at all the Targaryen king's wives. None are renamed as Targaryen.

And Margaery isn't a Baratheon. Northerners also do shit differently. And Stannis isn't a prince and wasn't a king when he got married.

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>>79799839
>how are the lords of that rocky little shitpile able to outmass the riverlords?

Because GRRM doesn't know shit about military history either.

The Riverlands should have a substantial army, as medieval armies were fundamentally and inexorably based on farmland (i.e. more famrs = more warriors) and the Riverlands have a lot of farms.

Theoretical military strength in Westeros:

1. Reach (by a long shot)
2. North (poorer farming due to climate, compensated by huge area)
3. Riverlands (best farmlands after the Reach, limited by smaller size)
4. Vale (limited farmlands due to mountainous terrain but excellent climatic conditions)
5. Crownlands (very small in size but rich farmlands and good climate)
6. Stormlands (heavily wooded and hilly terrain + wet climate limits amount of available farming)
7. Westerlands (mountainous terrain greatly limits farmland, gold mines compensate)
8. Iron Islands (small population and tiny area greatly limits farming, compensated by mining and overseas trade/raiding)
9. Dorne (small population, arid climate greatly limits farming)

>>79800104
>like there's no way anyone's gonna call Genna Lannister a Frey

Exactly.

>>79800268
Not by blood. That's why she was still Cersei Lannister instead of Cersei Baratheon

>>79800289
Not part of the official monarchy of Westeros though. They were all doing shit differently anyways from what the current King was doing

>>79778950
I'm not reading the mess. What's the gist of this?

>>79799377
In medieval feudal society the daughter goes before the uncle, unless absolute agnatic succecion law is applied(IRL only France did this). Plenty of examples in Germany, Italy and Spain.

All your argumentation is invalid.

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did they?

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>>79800190
> They're not part of the monarchy/royal family

No, Cersei’s unique situation is due to Tywin’s wealth and power, Jon Arryn needing Tywin to support Robert, Robert being a shitty king who gave no fucks and Cersei’s over the top personality.

>>79800428
i think its partly the royalty thing as well
no one called elia martell a targaryen

>>79800414
jesus christ nigger is blacker than his jacket

>>79800314
fair enough. This doesn't account for Rob Starks wife, but in any case this whole argument started when we said that Kevan Lannisters kids dont have a better claim than Tywins. We agreed this was true, so lets move on, yes?

>>79800314
I suppose I could see it varying region to region, maybe family to family. Like, I would expect the Reach and North to stick to male heirs.

>>79800462

But it's not law, it's just tradition.

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>>79800479
>Kevan Lannisters kids dont have a better claim than Tywins.

Except they do once Jaime joined the Kingsguard, Cersei got married and Tyrion was attainted.

Regardless of what was the casual and unofficial convention in the court of King Robert, Cersei was legally out of the running to inherit Casterly Rock once she got married (like every other married woman).

>>79800479
>This doesn't account for Rob Starks wife
she is literally never called Jeyne Stark

>>79800414
goddamnit
Maisie looked great too (the haircut, the dress). Jalabhar Xho just had to ruin the picture.

>>79800579
yeah I agree with you.
I was just talking about them before all that happened to use them as an example of succession amongst cousins/siblings.

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He had been 'wrestling' with a girl called Violet on the farm next to where he grew up.

>wrestling exists in this world
I cant

>>79800428
No, it's because you don't get the Royal family name when you marry into it, and those who marry out do not lose that name

Margaery Tyrell will always be Margaery Tyrell

Elia Martell always would've been Elia Martell

Rhaenyra Targaryen was never Rhaenyra Velaryon

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Marriage#Maiden_names

>Women from noble Houses in Westeros often take on their husband's surname - though this is not automatic and many do not. Essentially, if a noblewoman "marries up" into a more powerful noble family, she will tend to shift to using the name of her husband's House. Conversely, if a noblewoman marries into a less powerful noble House (i.e., if she is one of the younger daughters in the family, not able to secure as good of a match) then she will often retain the use of her original family name, to remind everyone of her social and political ties. If their two families are of roughly equal power - such as if they are both from Great Houses that rule entire kingdoms - then the situation is more variable, and is more dependent on personal choice.

>>79800707
Thank you for posting this

>>79800317
Based on the rest of his world, GRRM might be more influenced by the ancient Greeks, where military power rose and fell with the exploitation of precious metal deposits. I'm thinking in particular of Athens and Macedon.

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>>79800707
>if a noblewoman marries into a less powerful noble House then she will often retain the use of her original family name

No, a feudal medieval society doesn't and can't work that way, regardless of Linda and Elio say.

>>79800317
that actually is how the military strength plays out in westeros under ideal conditions. however, the riverlands are where almost all the major battles are fought during roberts rebellion and the current story so they are sapped of strength. the west has a lot of men because of tywins shrewd government, he didn't fight in any of the battles of RR except the sack of KL and knows how to manage his forces efficiently.

>>79800989
it's not even that common in the books so idk what you are complaining about

>>79801158
better leadership and losing fewer men in the last war (it's not like the riverlands were scourged in RR) seems like the sort of thing that would add maybe +50% or something to the relative army size of the westerlands to the riverlands
whereas having 10x the amount of fertile land should add like +300% to the riverlands

>>79797357
oh my god shut the fuck up

>>79801319
fair enough, grrm tends to make mistakes like this when he shouldn't.

>>79799329
linklinklink

>>79801412
yeah, i still enjoy the series and the world but there are some pretty meta inconsistencies in it

Oh so its another thread where we have to remind delusional fucking jonfags that robb doesnt have the same boner for jon stu that they do and that he would absolutely never have even thought of legitimizing jon if he knew Bran and Rickon were definitely alive because he doesnt hate his own family the way jonfags do for getting in st. jons way

>>79763906
>rooting for a literal cuckold

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>>79764974

>>79766947
Too bad, she...will die.

>>79801510
who isn't a cuck in asoiaf anyway?

>>79801618
Euron

>>79801618
Lord Baelish

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>>79801462

You have to factor in that Hoster Tully had the alzheimer’s and Tywin got the jump on Edmure, who didn’t know WTF was going on until The Mountain’s forces were raiding all along the borderlands, then he tried to get King Robert to sort it out and then everything went to shit.

>>79786868
Delet this

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>>79800652
Grenn a shit. Who /DolorousEdd/ here?

>>79801662
Brandon "Chad Thundercock" Stark would disagree

>>79787511
>>79788164
>>79788130
>>79788128
>>79787974
Plz stop shaming my waifu, Sofie is pretty

>>79801618
Jon

>>79801618
Dany

>mfw Jon's real name is Jonaerys

>>79801980
looks as though we've got ourselves a Faceless Man

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>>79764974
>>79801853
its your own fault, get a non-shit waifu

In the show does Robb even say anything about Jon after the first few episodes? All I remember is Catelyn talking to Talisa about him

>>79802113
No, they got rid of Robb's jonfag moment to give one to Cat to shame her for not being a jonfag

>>79802261
Right, that was bullshit

I was just trying to remember if there was literally even ONE scene where Jon is mentioned or even alluded to by Robb or someone talking to Robb

I don't think there is, what a great show

>>79802261
"robb jonfag moment"


you mean naming jon his heir because he thought all his actual siblings were dead

that doesnt make him a jonfag, jonfag

>>79802314
he knew sansa was alive, he just disowned her

>>79802332
dead or otherwise compromised. happy, autist? still doesnt make him a jonfag, try harder

>>79802353
im not that anon, im just saying
also new thread when

>>79802314
Him marrying Jeyne because "poor Jon, I don't wanna have a bastard get treated like that" makes him a jonfag

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>>79802402
>Him marrying Jeyne

They were magicked by Sybell Spicer, (Maggy the Frog's grand daughter) it's the only explanation.

There is no way Robb's men would have allowed a just-captured enemy's daughter to care for his wounds.

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>>79801451
Its an interview from a con in florida last month or something. She looks cute and wifey as hell

>>79802965
:(

>>79802965
cant find interview

>>79802936
kys preston

It's called plot contrivance

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>>79800414
maisie pls stop

>>79803714
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>>79803714

New Bread

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>>79803757

JONSA last post

>>79804316
wrong