>combined budget: $1 BILLION dollars Why on EARTH would they

>>79673811
Now how much of that budget goes to RDJ's paycheck?

>>79673864
$100,000,000

>>79673864
RDJ is holding onto the MARVEL franchise for dear life so that he doesn't fade back into obscurity, so I'd say not that much.

>>79673864
I don't know his base salary, but I think he still has a % of box office gross. Just not as high as Avengers 1.

The combined budget is roughly $650 million.

Which is still pretty damn high.

They need enough money to pay for the critics reviews

>>79673811
500,000,000 for rdj
200,000,000 for everyone else
200,000,000 for advertising
99,999,999.99 for actual movie
1 for script

The only movies that make money anymore are superhero movies so they might as well go all out

>>79673811
This is obviously their biggest movie that they pretend all these other movies have been amounting to. It's practically their grand finale as far as Avengers goes. Why the FUCK wouldn't you hire on a real director for The Avengers' big sendoff? The answer is here >>79674000

>>79674013
Isn't there a point of diminishing returns? Just because you spent more money on it doesn't mean it will make more.

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>>79673811
I'm guessing the giant cast and crew plus an elaborate CGI budget over the course of 6 hours of film + marketing.

I'm probably forgetting the "breakfast and lunch" budget. Doesn't matter those, these movies are going to print money...and if you even give a single fuck about watching just thank the stars they didn't make it a trilogy.

>>79673811
>Titanic was made for 200mil
>this shit costs almost 1bil

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>>79673936
hes the highest paid actor there. hes gonna make DC great again with Mel in the near future though.

>>79674050
Because they have the director of the best movie in the franchise.

>>79674075
If they stop wasting cash on movies that barely break even or even lose money, they can redistribute that money to their only sure thing, being able to hypothetically make it better to make sure they don't lose any of their current audience.

These movies keep getting more and more expensive...cast, crew, SFX, marketing...do they really make marginally increasing profits? Surely the MCU has just been maintaining the same audience, that gradually grows. No doubt these two are highly anticipated movies, but it can't just make a shitload from people going to see it over and over at the cinema. Will they just give everyone new costumes so they can make back the budget in toys?

>>79674084
we can't fathom the CGI fuckery what will come with thanos, i mean that gauntlet is fucked up. They will spend absurd money on the cgi alone.

They won't but it'd be nice to see them fail. This bloated budget blockbuster bullshit bubble must burst.

Look at a film like Split. Okay, it's not high art or anything but it's better than capeshit and it had a production budget of $9 million and made $200 million at the box office.

Even if you just want to make movies to make money how is that not the better business model?

>>79674091
Why does it look like it controls like a chomPANzee?

>>79674091
I wasted cell data downloading that to VLC you piece of shit.

>>79674293
>phone cuck

>>79673811
>Why on EARTH would they need that much money to make movies?
They don't. The combined budget is $500m. The $1bn figure has just been passed around by retards that can't read.

>>79673811
It's mainly the cast.

They're bringing in everyone and they all want money. Antman and memelord especially can ask for whatever they want

>>79674084
CGI costs a shitload more now then it did in the 90's. And don't act like Cameron isn't the worst money wasting director ever. If he was making this it would cost 10x as much.

>>79674333
>Antman

You mean Downey Jr?

>>79673811
80% of the budget is to make robert "down here" jr look taller

>>79674361
who else could I be talking about?

>>79673936
I don't understand this. This guy has more fucking money than god. He can do whatever or whomever the fuck he wants, and yet wants more recognition, more fame, more money?

>>79674380
Still won't be enough.

I wonder how much they pay the quip writer.

Like 1000 unionized people will work full time all over the world for 2-3 years.

Labor cost are what drives a budget up. Union rules are very strict so going over on projected time tables often means you have to pay everyone double when catching up.

>>79674479
>quip writer
>singular

>>79674223
There's only a handful of filmmakers that can ask to get their movie made with whatever the budget they want. And even then, they usually do some blockbuster to earn that trust.

So, why should execs waste their time listening to pitches when they could use their influence to make the movies they believe will make money? Writer's Strike reminded studios they don't need them to make half-assed work. Might as well do that yourself and take all the credit.

>>79674479
35 cents a quip

Watch the credits to Civil War. They had a separate crew for every location they filmed in.

>>79674442
>This guy has more fucking money than god

He's not even the highest paid actor in Hollywood, fuck off.

>>79674566
That's way too much, he'd be a millionaire by now.

I'd say closer to 3 cents per quip.

>>79673864
At least 100 millions

>>79674442
He's short, had a public spiral down and got raped in prison. He developed a complex and needs the attention and money to justify his self-destruction so he doesn't break down.

>>79674585
They filmed in more than one location?

>>79674346
>CGI costs a shitload more now then it did in the 90's.
how is this true? cameron had to spend money on model makers, physical film, water-trained stuntmen, in addition to CGI machines and personnel and it still came out to 200mil (granted in 1997 dollars)

These capeshit films use greenscreen 95% of the time, theres no way its more expensive

>>79674671
They had a green screen AND a blue screen

>>79674560
>There's only a handful of directors who can get their shit together and produce something with a limited budget.

Fixed it for you
Also

>There's only a handful of directors than can deal with a gigantic budget, cast and crew.

Chris Pratt and Cumbuttache aren't cheap actors either these days. Paying the cast of every marvel movie combined costs a ton.

>>79674672
Dude those green walmart curtains are super expensive right now.

>>79674223
>Look at a film like Split
Fucking garbage. You're a WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT! You failed at this...and at life

>>79673811
these films will make a ton but costs so much to make I wonder if the profit margin is even going to be worth it

People still care about capeshit?

>>79674672
This is a sci-fi space epic action film. Titanic is a romance movie about a boat. They're not comparable.

>>79673936
RDJ will become a major player at Marvel. I predict he will spend the rest of his career as producer

>yfw kikes need to launder a shit ton of money so this unexpectedly bombs
That'd be fucking awesome

>>79673980
Theyll make that back in China ticket sales. Domestic gross will be all profit

>>79674755
Did you stop reading right at that end of that sentence?

>>79674735
They got Pratt cheap. He became a major star because of GOTG. The first contract roped him for at least 4 movies at pleb prices

>>79674755
why are people who use ellipses retarded

same with exclamation marks

>>79674978
>ellipses
you mean reddit dots

>>79674672
Probably has to do with render times. These movies have walls of Asian and Indian names doing VFX. Also why some scenes look so bad.

>>79674223
>how is that not the better business model?
merchandising mate. Disney/Marvel will make more from that then their films ever could.

>>79674755
You have horrible taste and should stick to watching capeshit, where every action scene contains at least 1000 cuts

>>79674978
>>79674997
dude punctuation is bad lmao

>>79674671
They filmed all over the world. It was in the credits.

>>79674672
>how is this true?
>>79674537

>>79675075
touche.

What's the rest of the industry's excuse when they're not making billions from plastic crap for their underwhelming grosses or absolute box office failures?

>>79674872
This. Otherwise he would've left.

>>79674872
Honestly makes sense. He's built the brand and they already involve him with some pretty high decisions. I know Hemsworth brought in Tom Holland for Spider-man and RDJ supported him over Asa Butterfeld who the other execs wanted.

>>79674223
Civil War was 250 mil and made over a bil. That's like 3-4 Splits for just one movie. Its just that the risk is enormous in some cases.

>>79673811
all movies are just a money laundering operation anon

no profit will be recorded but everyone involved will be set for 10 lifetimes

>>79673936
If that was true he would have agreed to Iron Man 4.

>>79675439
He's in talks for Iron Man 4 but he wants Jon Favreau. Favreau seems to be in though ever since Feige took total control of the MCU.

>>79675124
There were establishing shots from all over the world I'll give you that.

>>79673811
Why should you care how much it costs?

>>79673811
Because 700m of it is going to RDJ. Obviously. Are you being ironic OP?

>>79675604
They shot in Germany, Puerto Rico, Iceland and Atlanta.

>>79674075
It will start diminishing after these next two Avengers movies. They are trying to move on from the characters they have now and introduce new ones, and I'm not really into the new characters. I think it might actually be all downhill after Infinity Wars.

>>79675874
They're aware of that possibility and have already said they're scaling down the movies after "Infinity War" to more maneagle budgets and lower scales.

There's a rumor their post-Thanos plans are an adaptation of "Dark Reign" which basically entails to a massive government conspiracy involving supervillains.

>mfw Lord of the Rings came out 15 years ago and the three films had a budget of 90mil each
>that budget went to the ensemble cast, CGI (some of which was made with techniques literally invented by the people working on the film), real props and sets, as well as filming on location

now:
>1 billion dollars to film in a soundstage in Atlanta

>>79675949
that's because it required 4 years of preproduction


this Disney faggotry is requring ONE year of preproduction, a HALF a year of filming, and then another half/year of post-production

they want their movies out like fucking McDonalds, that's why they're throwing cash at it

they want to milk capeshit as fast as possible before it starts tanking

>>79675400
Granted but if you take that $250 million and make 27 Splits that each make $200 million than you end up with $5.4 billion for the cost to make one $1 billion grossing film.

>>79676103
I think that's where Civil War went wrong that was fuckin rushed and it showed.

>cg will still look shittier than stranger things somehow

>>79673811
Because it's going to gross a combined 3 billion.

>>79674735
pratt was some fat guy who was on like 6 seasons of a low budget office ripoff like 4 years ago/

>>79675943
>Dark Reign

I don't think MCU is ballsy enough to do that since the parallels between a corrupt evil billionaire in change of the country hits too close to home right now.

>>79673811
Obviously there's going to be a fuckload of CGI.

>>79675329
I'm not memeing, but I heard something about how RDJ picked Holland over Butterfield because the latter is taller than him. Anyone knows if this is true?

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budget for all those stars does seem to be most of the budget to be honest

>>79677176
Make sense

I wonder what part 2 will actually be called.

>>79673864
fpbp

>>79673811
What's wrong with spending money on movies? People are getting paid to work. Are you a commie, you sick fuck?

>>79675052
I thought rendering farms was the cheaper solution than in house rendering

This is including the marketing budget, which is often nearly as much as the production budget for blockbusters.

It breaks down to be about $250M for each film, two films makes $500M. That includes the cast and crew salary (which will be staggering, considering this is the biggest celebrity ensemble in the history of cinema) many of whom will get a % of the gross as well as their mega-million flat payment. Plus renting locations, furnishing sets, buying props, transportation costs, equipment, and CGI/visual effects.

So that's just to get the film off the ground. Now you have to advertise your film. Which is buying TV spots, web-ads, billboards, bus-ads, etc. When Episode 7 came out there was a giant billboard in my shitty little suburb of Brisbane for two months, that alone would have been in the tens of thousands. That was one billboard, now just imagine how much the entire city cost to advertise in. Now just imagine those hundreds of thousands being spent everywhere from Baltimore to Beijing. Marketing is HUGE, and contrary to popular belief, things like this don't market themselves. It's a science of dollars invested means dollars earned, something Disney knows very well.

Now, these films are going to be the culmination of the biggest cultural phenomenon since Star Wars, so they're going to earn a fucking ton of money. Let's conservatively say $2B each.

So $4B, of which Disney will actually see little over $2B, since theaters shave off between 30-50% of every ticket sold. Now Disney has to pay off it's % earned to its actors and producers. Now the Avengers are filming in Georgia, which means they get 20% tax credit, or 30% if they just show the Georgia peach logo at the end of their credits (yes, you get 10% tax credit if you show a fucking logo).

So all in all after all those costs and this $1B budget, these films will end up making around $750M pure profit for the Mouse. And this is before we've even started on merchandising.

>>79678521
Infinity Crusade

But surely this won't be the end of the MCU, so where will they go from here?
Will we get a Vision movie based on Tom King's stuff? Will we get Squadron Supreme? Annihilation? A Spider-Man movie once a year?

Will they hire a proper cinematographer this time? Or even pay their current one enough to at least try

>>79678848
Carol Danvers aka Marvel Wonder Woman, she'll replace Ironman and become the main focus of the future movies. Probably give her a romance with Black Panther.

>>79678804
>This is including the marketing budget
It's a completely made up figure. A site saw $500m for the budget, knew they were doing two, so assumed it was $1bn altogether, when in reality it's $500m for both.

Because they know it will make a passive profit so they inflate the budget so don't get hit with so much taxes.

They create a dozen new companies and then hire these companies and give them massive contracts to actual make the film.

It drives up the reported budget, while still keeping all the money in the studio then they can write off the movie as a loss for the studio. The smaller companies get a tax hit but nothing near what the studio would pay. Then they disband all the companies and start again.

For most big budget blockbusters less than half of the reported budget actually makes it on screen. The rest is funneled back to the studio.

>>79678851
Plebs can't grasp MCU kino. It's so out of reach they think it's not there.

for the preteen hookers and blow, what else?

>>79678848
They'll phase in their younger heroes, probably move more towards standalone films rather than ensemble casts.

Fiege says they want Spider-Man to mirror Harry Potter and have a new villain for him to fight every school year, so that's at least a trilogy right there.

Captain Marvel is being introduced, so that's a whole new property. Doctor Strange will get a sequel, Black Panther and Black Widow will get standalones. They're pretty much set until 2025, then they can take a three-year hiatus and begin the reboots of origin stories.

>>79678946
this

film is a big money laundering scheme

Russia does the same thing with their film """"industry""""" only difference is Hollywood movies actually make money

>>79678965
> Black Widow will get standalones.
Like hell she will.

>>79674223
it's Hollywood if it fails they'll claim it was because they didn't spend more money.

They have to launder their money somehow, right?
Also, basically every jobs paycheck is inflated ridiculously.

>>79674442
Why not? If he isn't getting paid that money then it's just going into the pocket of some millionaires who don't show up in front of the camera.

>>79678965
>probably move more towards standalone films rather than ensemble casts.
Nope, they're doing the opposite.

>>79679065
So it'll be three Avengers movies a year?

>>79674442
No he doesn't want more recognition, fame or money. The guy you replied to is obviously full of shit.

>>79674223
>9mil budget with 200m return
>1bil budget with 3bil return
>how is that not the better business model?

Gross profit > Profit/Cost ratio

>>79673811

Because it's not 1b? There's is little to no source on the quote one billion dollar budget. They're making two movies back to back to save money. It's far more likely to cost around 600m

>>79674442
It's keeping him sober

>>79679073
No, but basically every "solo" film will have a couple of other Avengers in it, like Thor: Ragnarok that'll have Hulk and Doctor Strange.

$300 million for salaries, production and marketing. $700 million funneled to Israel and ensuring that the studio pays zero taxes.

>>79678804
>And this is before we've even started on merchandising.
Stopped reading right there

>>79678710
Even then, these movies are doing VFX well over 6 months long and the hundreds being paid (even if cheaper than local ones), costs add up. And if too many people are asking for points on box office, VFX is one of many areas they can fib the numbers to prevent that form happening.

>>79674084

>both movies almost guaranteed to make 1bil+ each

when the risk is that low to double their money who would say no?

>>79674293
dumb phone poster

>>79679124
The filming alone stretches from January to November.

>>79679017
It's too late now for them to give her a movie, they're better off just doing a new character.

DESU if Marvel doesn't make an Earth X film or two in about 10 years with alllll their cast up to that point then they are a complete failure. By that time they can work out rights and even have Tobey as old fat spiderman with Holland for flashbacks and Hugh Jackman back for one last for real last run as old as fuck Wolverine.

I can't wait for reddit tears when both of those capeshit "films" will fall short of Avatar's box office

>>79679250
Yeah, because there are loads of people on planet Earth that believe they'll make $2.8bn+.

>>79679250
This will be huge but part 2 will be a major bomb. Everyone will be sick of them by then.

>>79679250
lmao avatar is fucking trash

>>79679115

Honestly I like this though. I like the idea of Scarlet Witch showing up in a Dr.Strange movie, or Captain America jumping in to help Spider-man or Ant-man visiting wakanda. They got all these characters, why not have them cross over a bunch?

>>79679288
Based on what?

>>79679250
Avatar was super lightning. There was no other way to experience it, but at the theaters with 3D. Then it just kept going and going, never leaving. 34 fucking weekends. SW 7 lasted 24 weeks. And with Disney's Star Wars owning all of Christmas and January, it could be long time before we see real competition against that record.

>>79679288
I don't see it that way. It'll make money because they'll market it as THE LAST ONE and simply not mention further Marvel movies until it leaves theaters.

>>79679296
They won't have any gimmicks left to hype it. Right now they got all the newer characters together and it's been leading up to it a while so there's a ton of hype. But unless they pull a hell of a cliffhanger, I don't see part 2 doing as well.

>>79679288
>>79679250
It's only one movie now. Part 2 was cancelled, lol.

>>79679357
So basically you're saying "it won't make money because I don't want it to".
>>79679364
Still two movies, just not called part 1 and part 2 because marketing.

>>79679370
But it's not two Infinity War movies. Infinity War part 2 was scrapped and is now just another Avengers movie.

>>79679386
It's still the same shit, just called something different because calling it part 1 and part 2 is bad for business.

>>79679386
They're going to stretch this out as long as possible since it'll be difficult coming up with something new next movie. Theyre still planning on making 2 movies of this or at least a direct sequel.

>>79675439
dude, he's stalling so he can get more shekels out of that deal, don't be stupid, he's gonna be iron man for the rest of his life whether he likes it or not

>>79679436
Really? How is it hard to come up with new ideas when you have decades of material to adapt? Secret Invasion, Secret Wars, literally any Avengers story arc, etc.

>>79679476
Why are you accepting a random anon's assertions as facts?

>>79674312
>>79679148

Lmao you dumb faggots can't afford phones? Poor people should be shot tbqh

>>79679531
how new

>>79673864

serious question. not concern trolling or kumbaya memeing.
if so many movies cost m/billions to produce and also return m/billions in the box office then why are there national and global debts?
how the hell can an entire country financially owe another country while also generating fuck you money from blockbusters?

>>79674361
>>79674424
kek underrated

>>79679711

>government spends and borrows money
>people buy movie tickets with their own income

they have nothing to do with each other, friend.

>>79679711
The Jews run Hollywood and don't like to share.

>>79673811
Like Lucas once said, it's basically gambling: you're giving someone a lot of money and tell them to bring back several times as much. And when you gamble and get a winning streak, you inevitably become overly confident and up the ante higher and higher.
We're truly living in the golden age of movie budgets, when big studios have balls and resources to create these colossal pieces of entertainment, these grandiose rollercoasters. So we might as well enjoy it all, until it comes crashing under its own weight.

>>79679239
keep dreaming

>>79675400
Split won't make billions in merchandising money though.

>>79679813
Except over 1/4 of the budget ($250 million) is going to pay the actors. This implies that their talent is now worth $250 million and they have the acting skills to back up that colossal pay. But ask yourself if RDJ went from earning $5 million a role (Iron Man) to over $100 million a role (Civil War) did his acting get 20 times better? Did his acting get $95 million better? No. Same with the budget.

>>79674076
retard, wait you think (((they))) actually pay cgi studios?

are you new? haha thats adorable

Thats embarrassing

I'd say CGI but it's outsourced to India and as such probably accounts for 15-25% of the production budget. Roughly one fifth goes to RDJ so that still leaves a really big gap.

>all that money
>it'll be as cinematic as a sitcom

Imagine what a real director could do with that budget

>>79673811
The real question is will these movies actually make that money back or will the capeshit bubble burst by then?

Disney/Marvel is banking on normies creaming their jeans when they see spider-man and hulk working alongside Star Lord and Iron Man, but people didn't even really care about Civil War.

>pay 250 millions in salaries to a bunch of cucks no one knows
>people only give a fuck about Iron Man

What's the purpose? Just keep on making Iron Man movies you dumb mouse

>>79673864
Unconfirmed rumours says roughly 400 million dollars are being put aside for salary for directors, cast etc. RDJ earns from box office gross aswell so best gusses put him around 150-200 million dollars for both films.