/who/ - Doctor Who General

>>79515406
>Chibnall did, because he's too lazy to start work on Doctor Who yet.
You can't blame him, he's got more important things to think about right now. Like his next play.

>>79515406
>Just this once

>>79515554
>You can't blame him, he's got more important things to think about right now. Like his next play.
I could blame him, but I'm too busy to do it, because I need a vacation after blaming him for Broadchurch, and I'm already planning how I'm going to blame him for his next play.

>>79515583
Out of curiosity, if that's your nyssa_2, what's your nyssa_1?

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>>79515675
I thought someone would ask

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>>79515699
But that's not every frame in the animated GIF.

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>>79515812
I just took screenshots whilst watching The Visitation

>8 will never be the time war doctor
I'm upset by this desu

>>79515983
>>8 will never be the time war doctor
Didn't 8 have enough time wars? Let him share one with another Doctor.

Plus, he's the one who actually got to blow up Gallifrey, even it it got better. All War got to do was fool the Daleks and himself into thinking he blew it up.

>>79516065
Wasn't it War who blew up Gallifrey (except not really) though?

Or are we in a parallel universe now or something?

Catherine Tate for 13th

>>79516086
>Wasn't it War who blew up Gallifrey (except not really) though?
War blew up Gallifrey but not really to end the Last Great Time War.

8 blew up Gallifrey really to end the Second War in Heaven. The last novel makes it pretty clear that he's going to fix it soon, but it was definitely blown up, and that fucked up the universe.

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE SERIES NINE OST

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Happy Belated Birthday Christopher Eccleston!
53yrs old, yesterday!

>>79516289
Reminder the cardinal should be on the tunnel, pushed by a Weeping Angel.

>>79516289
You ruined it all. I'm gonna fix this.

>>79516289
>Man with chips but no Pigbin Josh

>>79516328
Almost as old as you!

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>>79516453
Is not! He's 14 years my senior ya goof. Go back to maths class, dingus.

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Here.

>>79516309
;_;

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HOLY SHIT, so this is what he's been doing since Capaldi took his job!

>>79517038
>so this is what he's been doing since Capaldi took his job!
getting plastic surgery to look like eccles?

Was Tennant the worst thing to ever happen to Doctor Who?

>>79517632
>happen

hap

pen

>>79517632
pretty much, yes.

Would you be a completely different person today, had you never watched Doctor Who?

I think I totally would be.

>>79517632
but his doctor was one of the comfiest ones

>>79517632
Fans who can't stop complaining about Tennant after seven years are the worst thing to ever happen to Doctor Who.

>>79518146
His Doctor was terrible. He's a good actor but Ten was just shit.

>>79518194
t. newfag from Tumblr

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>>79518211
>He's a good actor

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>>79518232
>i-if I call him Tumblr it means I'm right

>>79517743
yeah probably

>>79518376
>typical Phil meme used by newfags
Thanks for confirming your identity.

>>79515406
Doctor who is fucking garbage.
It can tell any story in all of time and space and it always ends up a shitty looking celebration of mediocrity.
It's a predictable, safe formulaic children's show where the Le wacky man saves the day with some 'witty' banter and a 'clever' scheme.
The Doctor never goes anywhere in his development, just going from dark to light or dark to light depending on the incarnation.
It has no love for science or history, it just boils everything down for lowest common denominator. It's a waste of time and effort,
why don't you losers mature and watch some grown up television for a change.
You shouldn't watch doctor who unless it's with your own children but I really don't want you plebs procreating.

Chibnall will get the show cancelled and you know it.

>>79517743
>Would you be a completely different person today, had you never watched Doctor Who?
If nothing else, I suspect I wouldn't have kept pitching things as "kind of like Doctor Who" to Americans in the 90s, which means I might have actually had a career as a TV writer instead of having to go into software.

So I'd make less money. And I'd have to live in LA. But, on the other hand, from what I remember of industry parties vs. tech parties, the naked people in the hot tubs tended to be a lot fitter, and a lot less hairy, and they weren't stepping out of those hot tubs into freezing fog (which does odd things to even the best of anatomy). So… tough choice.

Missy won't be the villain again, I'm betting there will be a more dangerous Time Lord of creature that will cause both the Master and Doctor to regenerate by xmas.

FUCKING NORMAL FAGS GET OUT OF MY BOARD REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

So how about that Tilda Swinton?

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>Doctor Who fan writes the best Star Wars fanfiction
>it's a time travel story

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>>79515406

I always got a giggle out of the kid eating chicken in that episode

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>>79516229
>but it was definitely blown up, and that fucked up the universe.
In retrospect it should have been obvious that Gallifrey didn't really go boom in RTD's war, since voodoo and sex magic didn't suddenly start working again without the Time Lords to enforce the rules of reality.

Rose herself is a topic that has to (really, really has to) be addressed - being a big glaring fuck up of a companion that plays so central a role in RTD's plot arcs and his characterization of the Doctor. It's a shame, because her initial conception and characterization was quite an efficient way to introduce the revived series and bounce off the post-Time War Doctor.

The biggest issue is that she has absolutely no positive character development sans her initial discovery of "hidden talents" and establishment of self-worth in her first three or so adventures with the Doctor. This is soon undone when Rose noticeably regresses into emotional immaturity and narcissism in Series 2, and quite annoyingly we are still expected to like her. Her and the Doctor's childish irreverence for the lifestyles of others, often laughing and mocking ordinary people for being less informed or worldly (most obnoxiously in Tooth and Claw and The Idiot's Lantern), and her attitude of being "above" the normal lives of her family and friends turn her into either a vessel for the audiences contempt - or a (probably) unhealthy outlet of escapist feelings.

>>79519821
Her romance with the Doctor is disgustingly immature too, and unhealthy. She holds him above all other elements of her life to a degree that is selfish, rather than selfless, because her affection for him appears to stem from the opportunities of grandeur available to her through her adventures with him. She wants the Doctor all to herself and her infatuate jealousy at his interactions with other women is a recurrent source of humour. And even if you throw all that shit out, it's primarily annoying because of how it affects THE DOCTOR. He treats her like a Disney princess and, upon her exit from the show, gets angsty about her for two whole fucking series. Most of all, this relationship just doesn't make sense. She's barely an adult and he's almost a millenia old, and yet it seems that they have equal (not just in terms of quantity, but quality) emotional dependence on each other for their individual happiness. It was unnecessary and trite.

All these negative traits would be acceptable and welcomed if they were ever addressed properly and redeemed. Instead, Series 2 ends with Rose dragged kicking and screaming into an alternate dimension. This hilariously isn't the end of Rose's displays of poor character, because when she finally returns in the finale of Series 4 she STILL hasn't moved on from the Doctor and even reacts with jealousy upon seeing Martha. Still pining for the Doctor by the end of the finale, she still doesn't have to grow as a character. Instead, RTD conveniently gives her a perfect fucktoy Doctor to satiate her unhealthy emotional dependence.

>>79519863
What lesson are we meant to learn here? Deus ex machina, in the more literal sense of the phrase in that an outside source solves all the character's woes, should never fucking end their involvement in the series. Rose displays no feats of self-advancement or heroism in her final appearance. Everything is given on a plate to her by mere circumstance.

Undoubtedly, the worst thing about Rose though is her legacy. Since her, every single companion bar Martha has been subject to MOST IMPORTANT COMPANION syndrome. It worked for the Bad Wolf plot arc, but it cheapened the charming kitchen sink characterization of Donna and made Clara into an insufferable narcissist. Worst of all, it defeats the believability and relatability of the human element in the Doctor/companion relationship. No doubt this lingering problem was sewn by Davies' general inability to properly express the alien-ness of the Doctor's character at all - manifested most appallingly in the characterization of the Tenth Doctor.

>>79519397
They will regenerate holding hands

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>>79519278
Yeah, and the Moff haters will somehow find a way to blame Moffat.

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>>79519522
She'd be perfect as a first female Doctor, because she's kinda androgynous anyway.

However, if she's interested in the role (and that's a big IF), the Beeb couldn't afford her. The woman's won so many acting awards, she probably needs a separate room to store them in at home.

Doctor Who will get cancelled in 2019 after Series 12 airs and ratings have plummeted once again.

>>79520250
Then they bring Moffat back for the 2023 anniversary episode, relaunching the show and starting a new Diamond era.

>>79520184
She looks like that woman who was wired up to satellite 5 in Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways

>>79520250
>assuming series 11 will air in 2018

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/chibnall-13th-doctor-will-be-cast-in-the-traditional-way-83179.htm

What did he mean by this?

>>79520442
>I will be taking a holiday before starting Doctor Who
>I expect 'Doctor Who' is going to take over my life to a CERTAIN degree
>But I'm just thinking at the next play I'll do after that

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>>79520442
Wonder who the actor was who texted him
I'm guessing Andrew Buchan

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>>79520528
>hilarious text from an actor he [Chibnall] worked with a long, long time ago.

Probably an actor from Born and Bred. Or John Barrowman.

Rec me the depressing Who from any medium except nuwho but including classic. I've listened to a lot of the most tragic audios so you'd have to dig a bit deeper.

>>79516289
Looking good.

The girl who thinks Capaldi is her Twin Flame just posted this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqgpWJDdD5U

I thought she was just mentally ill but no, apparently the twin flame thing is like a whole subculture or spiritual conspiracy theory or something. There seem to be a LOT of these lunatics.

The cybermen did nothing wrong
Prove me wrong
You can't

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>>79515406
Threadly reminder

Nothing is wasted and life is worth living.
Heaven is nowhere, just look to the stars.
There is a day that is yours for embracing
Everything's nothing, and nothing is ours.

William Shatner says that Misha Collins is being considered for the new Doctor.

>>79522385
How the hell would Shatner know?

>>79522385
>>79522501
Looking at him, actually, he'd be better than some of the retarded suggestions so far. Perhaps he's friends with the guy? He is American though...

Tilda Swinton, aka the most uninspired, unimaginative possible Doctor Who casting choice perhaps ever.

Also, she appears every single time as a "bookies favourite".

There's more chance of Gareth Roberts being the next Doctor than Tilda bleeding Swinton.

She looks great for her age though. 56!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gceu0jsEMs

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>>79523074

>>79522501
Perhaps because he's spent half a century building connections in the television industry, anon.

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The real next Doctor.
Post yfw you realize you are Jelly.

>>79523074
We need to send him Chibnall's palm to read so he can tell us if Doctor Who gets canceled again

>>79523291
True.

>>79522385
They want the Tumblr Superwholock audience back so badly that they're willing to cast an American actor?

>>79522651
I'm sick of the same old choices being suggested. "Ooh, how about Idris Elba, or Patterson Joseph. What? Of course I know of more than two black British actors"

Simm!Master used his magic wand to make the Doctor 100 years older in the Sound of Drums. He looked like a old man in 100 years.

How did Matt manage to age much slower?

>>79523990
the master was talking in time lord years

>>79523990
it should be really why did 10 age so fast in 100 years rather than why 11 did so slow. the doctors in the classic series lived for longer time spans and barely aged

>>79523990
Is 10 the youngest lived Doctor out of them all? He only lived for 4 or 5 in-universe years, whereas 11 lived for over 1,000, 9 is unknown but probably longer, 8 was longer, 1 lived a while etc...

>>79524684
Yeah. I suppose it's a decent in-universe explanation for why he was so reluctant to regenerate.

>>79524684
The 7th Doctor claimed he was 953.

The Doctor's claims about his age are completely meaningless.

>>79519397
I enjoyed Missy being a semi-ally in Series 9 but if she's not reestablished as a major threat and the Doctor's archenemy in Series 10 her character will be ruined and the people currently crying "Missy isn't the Master" will be right.

>>79521561
I honestly kind of agree. They essentially want to rid the universe of suffering.

>>79523990
RTD forgot that the Doctor was supposed to be an alien

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>>79525833
But if we don't suffer, we can't truly be happy either... there are no other colours without the Blues.

>>79526372
If you say so. I for one would opt for life being an unending orgasm if that was an option.

>>79521561
Cybermen are the best villains in the respect that they think they are the good guys, like Davros. Unfortunately, they were reduced to typical shitty villains in the 80s and this continued in 2006, when they started randomly killing all those people at the dinner party

>>79515406
Doctor who is fucking garbage.
It can tell any story in all of time and space and it always ends up a shitty looking celebration of mediocrity.
It's a predictable, safe formulaic children's show where the Le wacky man saves the day with some 'witty' banter and a 'clever' scheme.
The Doctor never goes anywhere in his development, just going from dark to light or dark to light depending on the incarnation.
It has no love for science or history, it just boils everything down for lowest common denominator. It's a waste of time and effort,
why don't you losers mature and watch some grown up television for a change.
You shouldn't watch doctor who unless it's with your own children but I really don't want you plebs procreating.

>>79527244
>watch some grown up television for a change

What, like Game of Thrones? The show with a USP of basically "Lord of the Rings but with titties and incest!"

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>>79520334
She does!

>>79521549
They seem to follow David Icke, and think the world is, in reality, ruled by reptilian aliens.

i-i-is she right?

https://twitter.com/Tegan_Jovanka/status/826333671355461632

>>79522651
Was she a bookies' favourite last time? All I remember is Peter Capaldi appearing from nowhere in the last few days before he was announced.

>>79523074
>she's gonna be ok and will help a lot of people

Based Jenna has a palm as beautiful as the rest of her.

>>79528073
Yes. Capaldi is the worst of the modern era. FACT.

>>79523990
>Simm!Master
Not canon.
>Sound of Drums
Not canon either.

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Paul looks weird today at Gallifrey One.

>>79528913
Too much time in the basement

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32202633

Now we know why Chibnall's first series is airing in 2019. They're dragging it out so they can cancel it before it's recommissioned. RIP.

>>79524919
No, based Moffat redeemed Ten's whining thanks to the War Doctor. He was crying because he knew he was about to enter his final life.

>>79519702
>In retrospect it should have been obvious that Gallifrey didn't really go boom in RTD's war, since voodoo and sex magic didn't suddenly start working again without the Time Lords to enforce the rules of reality.
Well, neither of them suddenly started working last time, either—one had already been working since before the War started, and the other didn't start until more than a century after it was over. But then you wouldn't expect cause and effect to line up neatly if part of what the Time Lords were maintaining was causality itself, as Christmas and Down imply…

Meanwhile, we know that voodoo started working when Miles broke his vow of loyalty to Virgin and decided to write an EDA, and sex magic started working when Miles broke his vow of loyalty to his own autism and decided to come back and write another one after rage-quitting, and neither of those happened in the NuWho universe.

>>79523990
Because he didn't age naturally, the process was accelerated. Plus, in Matt's case the Doctor was in his final life so he aged slower than any other body and it took ages (900 years) to reach that decrepit look.

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>>79521549
Isn't it just the same thing as a "soulmate"?

>There are many synchronicities which may lead you to you twin flame, before the actual meeting takes place
>maybe it's seeing numbers like 1111, 2222, 3333, etc.
>mfw getting quads is a sign you'll meet the love of your life soon

series 10 is going to be so GOAT that bbc will regret hiring chibnall.

>>79529681
There are fruit flies that live on Hoppledom Six. They live for twenty minutes and they don’t even mate for life. There’s going to be a point to that. I’ll get back to you.

Clara is summoned by UNIT when a light starts appearing in the sky, while the Doctor is on a mission in the prison of Drakkar Tor where he finds out about a light that signals the end of civilizations...

>>79529574
Yeah, Christmas on a Rational Planet is more what I meant - all the stuff about Rassilon bunging the Time Vortex through reality and/or banishing the Pythia's witches made things work according to science instead of magic, then when the Time Lords are gone "irrational" things start creeping back into the universe, and eventually Time itself starts breaking down.

(For some reason I was thinking about City of the Dead for voodoo rather than AB, but loa etc. would definitely count).

>>79530030
none of that stuff is canon lmao

>>79527448
that post is a meme attempt, just ignore it

>>79530030
>For some reason I was thinking about City of the Dead for voodoo rather than AB, but loa etc. would definitely count
When you say "voodoo" and "EDA" my first thought is Faction Paradox, not literal Earth voodoo, but yeah, that too.

Actually, I think Lloyd Rose was the first writer to really capture what both Miles and Richards expected a post-Time Lord universe to be like and fit them together. Pity that Loz immediately slammed her for not getting it 100%, so nobody else followed up on her.

More generally, I wish the writers who had ideas for what it would be like had actually worked them out together, instead of each one saving all their ideas in private to push them in a book and hope everyone else would follow along and nobody did and finally Justin Richards had to send them all an arc bible that was just three half-formed ideas that nobody could really use. I love some of the books in that part of the range, but think how much better it could have been.

I still don't get why everyone ignored Christmas (which was Miles doing Platt meets Cornell, two writers everyone else loved to play with) but followed up on Bodies (which was Miles doing his own thing to explicitly fuck over their ideas).

>>79530183
>none of that stuff is canon lmao
Nothing is canon. Classic Who contradicted old continuity every time it tried to revisit it, and NuWho basically reboots the universe every season, sometimes even literally. Only autists who think there must be a way to find the one true real consistent story behind all the contradictions care.

Do you think Moff will top Heaven Sent next series?

>>79528073
>>79528637
Capaldi is without doubt popular with older fans of the show.

A younger, more handsome 'Tennant' romantic interest will bring newbies flooding back to watch the show, especially if Chinballs makes it a complete fresh start. Nobody can deny this.

>>79530494
Heaven Sent wasn't even that good

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>>79530589

>>79530577
I like Capaldi, but as far as I can see his Doctor is not popular with anyone except the tiny fringe of /who/

>>79530577
>Capaldi is without doubt popular with older fans of the show.
Capaldi also seems to be popular with kids, just not with uni students and young adults. (And really, only English ones; the show is doing better than ever overseas, which is very hard to reconcile with the flagging UK ratings…)

The kids are the most important thing in the long run. That's where the future RTD, Tennant, Cornell, Capaldi, etc. are going to come from, and without that, there's no chance the show will make it to 50, and really no reason it should.

But the young adults are most important in the medium terms, because they drive the ratings, and the merch sales, and the word-of-mouth publicity. If you get kids but lose the young adults, you end up with fans who grow up and get embarrassed about their fandom and let the show die and at best revive it 18 years later.

>>79529746
Moff's on auto-pilot now, doesn't give a fuck. Series 10 will be GOAT or utter shite.

>>79530864
Hello. Delete this. This is slander.

>>79530793
>the show is doing better than ever overseas, which is very hard to reconcile with the flagging UK ratings…
Unless the UK ratings are just meaningless since 2014 because the BARB isn't doing its job anymore and really nobody has any idea how well any show is actually doing.

>>79530783
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_(series_9)#Broadcast_and_reception

>>79530926
Means nothing when you factor in the dismal viewing figures. They've halved since the Tennant era. It's a completely different audience so a false equivalence.

>>79530976
>dismal
They really weren't that bad. Anyway i'm just pointing out that /who/ isn't the only people who like Capaldi.

>>79530920
>Unless the UK ratings are just meaningless since 2014 because the BARB isn't doing its job anymore
Maybe…

But why should the BBC care about ratings in the first place? Their mandate is not to make money. (And, even if it were, with no ad sales, ratings wouldn't translate to money anyway. Overseas sales generate money, but then UK ratings have almost nothing to do with overseas sales; they get more money from America if the US ratings are higher, not the UK ratings.)

>>79530577
They might have brought in an older audience if Moffat had stuck to his guns about a more serious Doctor and darker tone.

And reverting and sticking to an insultingly populist middle-of-the--road formula is artistic suicide. Doctor Who will be popular but it will have no soul or depth.

>>79530976
>It's a completely different audience so a false equivalence.
The article he linked to is primarily about the reaction of professional TV critics, who are the exact same audience, so it's a perfectly valid equivalence.

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>>79531036
>And reverting and sticking to an insultingly populist middle-of-the--road formula is artistic suicide. Doctor Who will be popular but it will have no soul or depth.

>>79531036
>And reverting and sticking to an insultingly populist middle-of-the--road formula is artistic suicide. Doctor Who will be popular but it will have no soul or depth.
Ghost Light every week! That'll scare the plebs away from our show, which means everything will be better!

>>79530793
>the show is doing better than ever overseas, which is very hard to reconcile with the flagging UK ratings

The BBC is unpopular politically in the UK, because the channel is publicly owned and paid for via an enforced tax.

>>79531148
>The BBC is unpopular politically in the UK, because the channel is publicly owned and paid for via an enforced tax.
The BBC is unpopular with a small number of right-wing idiots, but even most of them don't refuse to watch a show they like just because it happens to be on BBC, and even those who do are being ridiculously stupid because paying your license fee and then not using it is hardly an effective protest to the license fee.

And meanwhile, post-2014 ratings are just as nonsensical for ITV shows as BBC shows. How can anyone believe that X Factor dealt Doctor Who a death blow in 2015, and X Factor got its worst viewing figures ever in 2015, both at the same time, unless half of England just stopped watching TV entirely?

Mysterio had higher ratings than any episode from S8/9 except Deep Breath and Last Christmas. If anything, the ratings are going back up.

>>79530589
This post has given you away

>>79531067
The reaction of professional TV critics doesn't matter, since they are not the audience. Doctor Who's intended audience stopped watching a few years ago. And the group of people who do watch sadly now consists of people who just complain about it and apologists who refuse to accept it's dying a death

>>79531284
It's funny because you always see people on the left complaining about a right wing bias with the BBC, and people on the right complaining about a left wing BBC bias.

>>79531576
gr8 b8

>>79531607
True though, I like Capaldi's Doctor but some have his episodes have dipped into the 3 million viewers territory. The show was cancelled with similar figures in the 80's

"If you want exclusively young, sexy guys, to me that’s not Doctor Who." - Peter Capaldi

>>79531576
>It's funny because you always see people on the left complaining about a right wing bias with the BBC, and people on the right complaining about a left wing BBC bias.
But I'm not complaining about any BBC bias, and neither are the vast majority of British people, nor even the anon who claimed the BBC is unpopular for right-wing dogmatic political reasons that have nothing to do with any bias in what they broadcast.

Sure, there are a few loudmouths out there who whinge about a BBC bias, in each direction, but who cares? There are a few people who whinge about anything you can imagine, but they almost never matter.

>>79530976
>viewing figures. They've halved since the Tennant era.

Average viewing figures per series and per episode stayed around about-ish the same till series 9. Note 'average'.

But, nobody can deny the sudden dramatic drop on viewers at the beginning of series 9.

>>79531794
I know, but it's disingenuous to say that only right wingers have a problem with the BBC

>>79531820
True, but Doctor Who isn't an 'average' programme, or at least it shouldn't be.

A complete brand change when Chibnall comes in should fix it though, provided the scripts are decent and they make the show fun again

>>79531884
>I know, but it's disingenuous to say that only right wingers have a problem with the BBC
Yes, fine, there are also stupid right-wingers and stupid left-wingers who both hate the BBC because of some imagined bias, as well as the stupid right-wingers who hate the BBC because of some silly dogma like anon suggested.

But put them all in a bin, and all together they probably still don't affect noticeably the BBC viewing figures. And they certainly shouldn't affect BBC viewing figures more in 2015 than in 2014, or affect ITV viewing figures just as much as BBC, right?

So, we can ignore all of the political nonsense, not just the anon's original political nonsense, because all of it has nothing to do with why the ratings are crap.

>>79531820
If the BBC are ruthlessly fixated on viewing figures then what's the point of it being publicly funded?

>>79531820
>But, nobody can deny the sudden dramatic drop on viewers at the beginning of series 9.
And nobody can deny that series 9 broke records in the US, and virtually tied the NuWho record in Australia and Canada.

And nobody can deny that countless other shows had unexpected viewing figures in 2015 and 2016. They're randomly all over the place, but the biggest shows (on all networks) are generally massively down, all at the same time. Again, X Factor had their worst figures ever the same year it supposedly killed Who.

So, what are the possible explanations?

1. Half of England not only stopped watching Doctor Who because of Capaldi, but only after a year and a half of him, they also changed all their other viewing habits at the same time, and none of this was reflected in the rest of the world.

2. The year the BARB stopped paying Ipsos to validate and refine their models every year, the BARB started generating garbage numbers.

http://www.mediargh.com/researcher-vacancies-cbbc-fantasy-adventure-show-bbc-glasgow

,,,Is this a reboot of RAVEN?

>>79531984
I'm agreeing with you. The ratings are crap because the show is crap. Simplest answer is usually correct.

>>79532003
We have to remember that the BBC doesn't capitalize on Doctor Who as much as we think it does. They don't care about Doctor Who and never really have.

So are Cybermen basically communists?

>>79532143
>,,,Is this a reboot of RAVEN?

>It adopts the traditional values of a past gone era and culture. Honour, fair play, bravery, competition and heroism…
Yeah, they could just say "The Way of the Warrior" and be a bit more concise, couldn't they…

>>79532209
>I'm agreeing with you. The ratings are crap because the show is crap. Simplest answer is usually correct.
If the show is crap, why is it breaking viewing records in almost every overseas market, and getting the most critical acclaim it's had since series 1?

Unless your simplest explanation is that everyone except British viewers, including British TV critics, has the exact opposite of good taste?

>>79532143
I don't know what that is, but this is a thread which exclusively discusses Doctor Who and its canon spin offs. Please refrain from digression.

>>79532232
I've always seen them as an obscene metaphor for the welfare state. They're very huxleian. Daleks are Nazis of course. Isn't Davros based on Hitler?

>>79532232
>So are Cybermen basically communists?
Capitalism and communism will both lead to the same end. Whether to increase personal competitiveness or social efficiency, all of mankind will be driven to mechanize our bodies and remove our emotions. Unless something is done about it, this is virtually certain to happen by the year 2000. Trust me, I used to be a medical doctor, so I know sociology as well as I know physics.

Cheers, Kit Pedler

Are there any semi-convincing explanation why 10 and 11 were able to destroy everything around them with regeneration, but all the classics docs changed with no special effects?

>>79532321
Because it's only been exported overseas en-masse in the last 5-7 years. In this time, it's become a typical 'tumblr' show, which his why it has acclaim.

It's basically been exposed to a more mentally subnormal audience.

Compare Doctor Who viewing figures overseas to shows like Stranger Things, Game of Thrones. It's like a drop in the ocean.

>>79532556
10's was his last regeneration

11's was first of a new cy-

Oh yeah, that doesn't make any sense. In that case, 1 should've destroyed the TARDIS when he regenerated. Either that or 1 isn't the First Doctor.

>>79532642
>or 1 isn't the First Doctor

100 years anniversary twist spoiled
xD

>>79532593
>Because it's only been exported overseas en-masse in the last 5-7 years.
I take it you've never spoken to anyone from Australia, then.

>It's basically been exposed to a more mentally subnormal audience.
OK, so American viewers, Canadian viewers, Australian viewers, etc. are all "mentally subnormal". And so are British TV critics, although they weren't mentally subnormal a couple years ago.

>Compare Doctor Who viewing figures overseas to shows like Stranger Things, Game of Thrones. It's like a drop in the ocean.
Actually, DW's US ratings were nearly half of GoT's in 2015, the first time that's ever happened.

And yes, 50% is still lower than 100%, but it's hardly a drop in the ocean.

>>79532715
>100 years anniversary twist spoiled
Nah, I remember Morbius.

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>>79532593
>mentally subnormal

>>79532783
>DW's US ratings were nearly half of GoT's in 2015

>In fact, Doctor Who was the third most-watched show in its time slot, beating all four major networks. It was bested only by ESPN’s college football coverage and the Sábado Gigante series finale on Univision.

Maybe they should show it in Spanish to compete with Sabado Gigante?

>>79532209
Why don't the BBC care about Doctor Who? Snobbery?

>>79515406
RIP The War Doctor

>>79532783
Half the viewing figures is still terrible. The increase in US viewing figures is probably a result of curiosity, since the show was previously held in such high acclaim, people are checking it out.

Also, viewing figures don't always necessarily correlate with quality

>>79532910
>Maybe they should show it in Spanish to compete with Sabado Gigante?
Sounds silly, but…

Last I checked, there was a Spanish-language dub (El Doctor Misterio), but it was Castilian, not Latin American. There were more South Americans watching in Portuguese than in Spanish. And the US broadcast doesn't include the Spanish dub as the SAP audio. So, that may be an untapped market worth going for.

>>79533242
>viewing figures don't always necessarily correlate with quality
>The ratings are crap because the show is crap. Simplest answer is usually correct.

>>79533305
Note how I said "necessarily".

The second post you quoted was said in the context of the UK, not the US. There may very well be a different explanation for the US.

>>79533242
>Half the viewing figures is still terrible.
Half of the most famous show on TV is terrible. Check. So I guess everything made in the UK should be immediately canceled.

>The increase in US viewing figures is probably a result of curiosity, since the show was previously held in such high acclaim, people are checking it out.
Yeah, sure, that's it. The show was good in 2010, so nobody watched it in 2010, but they all decided to give it a try 5 years later. That's how human beings work.

>Also, viewing figures don't always necessarily correlate with quality
Your entire argument is that bad UK viewing figures prove the show sucks… but now good US viewing figures don't mean anything because viewing figures are irrelevant.

>>79533305
Thank you for pointing out anon's trollishness much more concisely than my attempt below.

>>79533378
Melanon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfW9jWok1aw

>>79533389
1. Yes please. Maybe then we'd get some good, fresh TV
2. Doctor Who wasn't big in the US in 2010
3. No it isn't

>>79533389
Are the US viewing figures 'good'? The US has a population four times that of the UK, so higher figures are to be expected

>>79533532
Ah, now I get it. It's not quite a perfect 80s telenovela because it needs a bit more smash cuts between the closeups.

>>79533552
Matt Smith was the reason Doctor Who became popular in the US.

>>79533552
>1. Yes please. Maybe then we'd get some good, fresh TV.
You've already had enough fedoras tipped at you by other anons. I'm not sure there are any left in the universe.

>2. Doctor Who wasn't big in the US in 2010
Yes, and it is big in the US in 2015. And you think the "simplest explanation" for that is that it was good in 2010, but is crap in 2015, and therefore nobody watched in 2010 but they all decided to check it out 5 years later, and stuck around even though it was crap.

>3. No it isn't
Oh yes it is!

Also, the King's balls get smaller every year.

Thank you for turning your argument into the panto that was struggling to get out.

How do I know who I want to be in my life?

>>79533897
1. Ok?
2. How do we know they stuck around? There hasn't been a series since 2015, and Christmas specials always have higher than average viewing figures.
3. It isn't. You neglect the fact that there are different contexts.

>>79533661
>Are the US viewing figures 'good'? The US has a population four times that of the UK, so higher figures are to be expected
They're "good" in that they're the highest Doctor Who ever had, and the highest BBC America has ever had for any regular series.

Of course those same numbers on an NBC show wouldn't be so good, but that's not how American TV execs think. Supergirl was a failure with 4M viewers on CBS, and it's a hit with 2M viewers on CW, because CBS is expected to draw more than twice as many people as CW.

But as a vague generality, US viewing figures are lower than you'd expect compared to the UK. There are more competing networks, rather than 3 channels all run by the same corporation. And, more importantly, the industry is much farther along in the shift away from the big networks to other programming—Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, etc. aren't network shows. So, nothing is ever going to get 4x as many viewers in the US as in the UK.

Just wondering, have you fapped to Freema Agyeman's interracial lesbian scene?

>>79531288
>Mysterio had higher ratings than any episode from S8/9 except Deep Breath and Last Christmas. If anything, the ratings are going back up.

Absence makes the hearts grow fonder: an old Britfag saying.

>>79533298
>Last I checked, there was a Spanish-language dub (El Doctor Misterio)
So what was the Christmas special called? El Doctor Misterio en el regreso del Doctor Misterio? And did they add in bits where both characters responded whenever anyone said "Mysterio"?

>>79531657
Back in the 80s there were only 4 channels.

Nowadays, if a TV drama gets 6 million+ viewers consolidated (which Doctor Who still gets) in the UK, that's an enormous success.

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>he doesn't hold the Doctor as a role model

HA, you understand nothing.

>>79534847
who the fuck are you replying to dude

you're just talking to nobody

>>79534907
You seem upset.

Reminder:

Series 1: Bronze Age
Series 2-3: Stone Age
Series 4: Silver Age
Series 5-7: Golden Age
Series 8-10: Platinum Age
Series 11: Glitter Age

>>79517632
>>79517642
>>79517684

what did Tennant's Doctor do wrong Desu?
Please explain

>>79535278
/who/ is a contrarian general, that's all you need to know.

>>79535238
>Series 11: Glitter Age
Hey now, Gary does have 11-year-olds sleep in his bed, but he doesn't have sex with them until 13 or 14.

>>79535278
in: Who Wiki
Russell T. Davies Era

Table of Contents

Case for the prosecution
The Russell T. Davies Era was a rolling disaster of lackluster characterization and incoherent plotting. By putting more favor on "emotional storytelling" than actual plot logic, Davies strung chains of Deus Ex Machina from one end of his tenure to the other. His obsessive shoehorning of non-white cis hetero relationships often came across as tokenism for tokenism's sake, and eventually backfired catastrophically when he decided to pair off the last two charcters left: the black people not good enough for Ten or Rose. His writing style, honed by ages of coke-fueled all nighters, was too reckless for a production of this scale, something he only exacerbated by taking on two additional workloads at the same time. Since Day of the Doctor, nothing he wrote is canon.
The Tenth Doctor

The Tenth Doctor is immediately off to a bad start at the end of his first episode when he says hes a "No Second Chances" sort of man after killing a Sycorax then proceeds to throw Harriet Jones out of office. What even was that? It makes no sense development wise with how 9 ended and is completely out of character in general. Its never mentioned again either, in New Earth he gives everyone every chance in the world. So why was it even written in the first place? This starts a trend of some inconsistent character traits for 10.

Ignoring that, New Earth completely ruins The Doctor and Rose. I felt the romance between The Doctor and Rose was alright in Series 1 and in character for The Doctor. It felt like something deeper than love. New Earth forward completely ruins that and makes them act like love sick children. The dialogue is horrible with classics such as Rose calling End Of The World a "date". They act like this the whole season and it starts to make The Doctor feel less like an alien and more of an eccentric human.

>>79535398
Time War stuff is noticeably weaker compared with 10 to how it was with 9 in Series 1. It just feels tacked on every time like "alright its time for the doctor to sulk for a few minutes" and then back to action. There's nothing new or fresh done with it, just rehashes of what was already done in Series 1 and better.

Fucking hell, most of Series 2 dangles the fact that Rose is leaving in front of you. "School Reunion" is all about life post-Doctor, and the Doctor treats Sarah Jane like utter shit for like the first 20 minutes, while he acts like an emo teen pining over Rose. But does Rose learn her lesson from Sarah Jane? Fuck no she doesn't. The entire thing is written with foreshadowing, which wouldn't be a problem in the hands of a capable writer. The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit really builds up the preparation for Rose's departure, as the Beast claims that she will die. But, as Rusty falls prey to EVERY FUCKING SERIES, Rose's "death" is complete bullshit. No joke, I think that a character dying is prophesied in Series 1 - 4, and the only Series where it actually comes to fruition is Series 1. And that only happened because Eccleston realized jut how shitty Rusty was. Series 2 overarching theme is "what does it cost to travel with the Doctor?" Davies answer is "Absolutely nothing!" Jesus fucking Christ, there are ZERO consequences for actions in Rusty's era, and there is no greater example of this than Series 2. As much as we love to hate Love & Monsters, it proves a fascinating point about Rusty's writing. Elton, a character who has NOTHING to do with the Doctor when you look at the big picture, has his life completely fucked over for even trying to get close to the Doctor, which is something that's interesting to explore.

>>79535436
It's strongly implied that Rose and her family/friends will have to pay the price that Elton does, as Elton states that he "wonders how long it will be before they have to pay the price" for traveling with the Doctor. Of course, Rose never has to pay this price. She gets to live a completely normal life on Pete's World, and gets everything she's ever wanted simply because she wanted it bad enough. Wow. How shitty is it that Elton, a guy who just wanted to meet the Doctor, was totally ass-fucked while Rose got everything she wanted simply because her story was "heartbreaking"? I feel worse for Elton than I ever did for Rose.

After Rose leaves, the first 5 episodes of Series 3 have constant references to Rose. There's nothing particularly wrong with having The Doctor grief over a lost companion however its done in an extremely unsubtle annoying ways that does nothing but make 10 look like a dick and pins the audience against Martha.

Here are some classic dialogues.

>Tenth Doctor: "There's such a thing as psychic energy, but a human couldn't channel it like that. Not without a generator the size of Taunton and I think we'd have spotted that. No, there's something I'm missing, Martha. Something really close, staring me right in the face and I can't see it. Rose'd know. A friend of mine, Rose. Right now, she'd say exactly the right thing. Still, can't be helped. You're a novice, never mind. I'll take you back home tomorrow."

He insults Martha calling her a "novice" even know Rose was nothing more than an ordinary human like herself. Rose had more travels than Martha did yes but she was never known to be any more intelligent or clever than usual companions. If Rose was actually in this episode she wouldn't have known jack shit about Witches and would have been just as clueless as Martha.

>>79535465
LILITH: "Only sleeping, alas. It's curious. The name has less impact. She's somehow out of her time. And as for you, Sir Doctor. Fascinating. There is no name. Why would a man hide his title in such despair? Oh, but look. There's still one word with the power that aches."
Tenth Doctor: "The naming won't work on me."
LILITH: "But your heart grows cold. The north wind blows and carries down the distant Rose.
Tenth Doctor: Oh, big mistake. Because that name keeps me fighting. "

Quote speaks for itself.

But let's talk poor Martha for a bit. Despite her having basically no chemistry with Tennant , she suddenly has a consistent character arc. Being told how terrible she is all season and being either ignored or forgotten consistently, over the course of the season she gets to actually solve problems and do things to actually help situations. By the end of the season her role entirely becomes "Fix Ten's shit by noticing things he doesn't without deconstructing how shitty of a character he is". The big problem is that being constantly berated just breaks your heart when you hear her decision at the end of the season to go find herself. Although she is very competent on her own and the universe itself owes her a debt, her season's ending (which is supposed to make her seem to be going out on a high like Romana) makes it seem more like she's been psychologically beat down to the point where she really doesn't know who she is, and her need to find herself despite being a strong enough character to save herself shows how someone can be so kind and yet hate the person they are at the same time because of one alien's opinion. It's telling that when 11 sees her hologram later, he experiences "More Guilt!" than even seeing Rose. Bravo, RTD .

Not much to add here, except for the fact that the Jesus imagery sure does get strong in Voyage of the Darned.

>>79535493
Holy shit just give him the goddamn link you autistic shithead, stop fishing for (You)s.

Imagine you're facing the worst crisis of your life.

Which Doctor do you want to help you out, and why?

>>79535493
>>79535465
>>79535436
>>79535398
stop.

>>79535493
10 managed to rebound his characterization into Trial of a Time Lord era 6. Bantering with his companion, slyly sarcastic, and smiling while running around from danger, 10 suddenly was Doctor Who again. His companion Donna had tons of chemistry with 10 and had a consistent character arc that endeared audiences to her. We're going to ignore The Runaway Bride so that we can get the sense of how great of a companion Donna was. Restrained, fun and ready to leap headfirst into danger, she was a strong character who faced enemies toe to toe with the doctor and helped cement the stories as the best of RTD's era.

But then, after an entire season of right moves, RTD ejaculated on a script and did everything possible wrong.

God, Journey's End is an absolute pastiche of Doctor Who and science fiction in general. Remember Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along-Blog? That's parody. Pastiche is parody without the wink, without the realization that what you're doing is a complete joke; it's parody with a straight face. That's what Journey's End is. You feel like you should be laughing at how ridiculous the plot is and Davros' manic screaming of "DetonAtE tHe ReAliTY BoMB11!!!11", but Rusty is sitting next to you the whole time, eagerly watching your reaction in the same way an autistic child looks at you when they hand you scribbles and shit and thinks it's good art, and you wanna give them your honest opinion, but you know it will absolutely crush them if you do so you laugh uncomfortably and say "Yeah, Rusty, haha, this is a great finale", all the while praying that he'll stop staring at you with his screwed up face and leave so that you can berate the next, high functioning autist who sits on the couch next to you and forces you to watch their eight years worth of shitty drawings episodes. That was a long, incredibly hard to follow sentence, just like Journey's End was long, incredibly hard to follow, and drenched in Russell's cum stains.

>>79535566
You could've just linked to the wiki page.

>>79535566
Wiping the cum off his screen from Journey's End and getting to work, RTD decided it was time to get to work trying to fix his legacy. Sitting down to actually work, he spent the majority of 2009 writing the only good season of Torchwood, Script editing Sarah Jane(but not writing thank god!), and conceiving of a 5 episode concentrated season of Doctor Who written by him. The season was a celebration of everything Davies does right and wrong:There was a wonderful christmas special packed with action and so over the top that you had fun, a shitty melodrama episode, a GOAT dark episode that copied Moffat's style thar no one shuts the fuck up about, and more ejaculation on a script. This ejaculation was soaked into the paper and formed The End of Time.

The End of Time could have been a chance for 10 to be heroic and go out on a high note.

The episode however did the complete opposite. The Doctor and even The Tenth Doctor were completely out of character in this episode. He spends nearly the entire time sulking over his "death" and how "even if I change it feels like dying", has a mental freakout at Wilf about having to save him, visits all of his companions before changing and his final words are "I don't want to go".

>>79535610
The Doctor would never act like this. It was basically RTD inserting himself into the character because he was sad that he was leaving. This was a huge fuck you to the next production team. The whole point of the show are things changing constantly and this episode doesn't support the next doctor at all and acts as if the show is ending. This turned most of the audience immediately against Matt Smith and in my opinion is that this episode is reason why there's such a huge schism in the fanbase between RTD/Moffat and why 5 years later some people STILL can't move on. There was always going to be people like this but the episode did absolutely no favors at all and probably made it bigger.

Tennant deserved to go on high and with a bang. Not a complete whimper like this.

This was RTD's final dump on the show before leaving.

And yet despite all this autism, Tennant is still the fans favourite.

LOL

>>79535517
Fuck off you spastic, now everyone will know why 10 was terrible and it's not just being a contrarian.

>>79535534
No.

>>79535580
Wouldn't be as fun.

>>79535677
tennant is literally the best doctor
deal with it

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>>79535666
i'm intrigued, who is /v/'s Doctor?

>>79535528
>Imagine you're facing the worst crisis of your life.
>Which Doctor do you want to help you out, and why?
Really depends on the crisis.

If it's aliens who are going to kill me and everyone else on the base, nobody beats Two.

If it's trouble making my mortgage payments, he may not be so helpful. Five would be a sympathetic ear, but I don't really need a Time Lord for that. Eight and Twelve both seem attractive, because it always turns out that behind the guest character's personal problems there's actually a threatening alien thing that can be dealt with. But with Eight, it could be a Mortimore story where everybody dies or an Orman story where people can't succeed unless they get tortured first, and with Twelve, people always die around him, so… I'm going with Two again, just because maybe he'll bring Zoe, and everything's better with Zoe.

>>79535677
>it's not just being a contrarian
It literally is though lol. No amount of highly selective "analysis" will change the fact that people watched this show and enjoyed it, which is what the success or failure of it comes down to. No amount of copy and pasting another guy's opinion will change the fact that based Ten-Inch tops polls erry time. You've lost. That Welsh faggot made a good show, and your Scottish husbando makes space-Sherlock. Ten will go be remembered, twelve will be forgotten. And I will be laughing all the while.

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>>79535666
t. newfag from Tumblr

>>79535833
>he thinks it's about winning or losing

>>79535811
I don't think /v/ talks about Doctor Who.

>>79535833
Now THAT's being a contrarian ;^)

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>>79535811
>>79535871
*who is /tv/'s Doctor

Mistype

>>79535910
This post has given you out.

>>79535903
>*who is /tv/'s Doctor
Most people here (or at least most of the most vocal ones) seem to pick Nine, with Twelve, War, and Eight being high on the list. But screw them.

>I'm going with Two again, just because maybe he'll bring Zoe, and everything's better with Zoe.

>>79535924
I literally have no idea what that means.

>>79535910
Oooooh I get it, it's one of those guys who think they can do better than monganon. Fat chance, you will literally never beat monganon.

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>>79535903
>*who is /tv/'s Doctor
Thirteenth Doctor is Best Doctor.

>>79535964
Nine? Twelve? Eight? hm, interesting... what reasons do people have for these?

>>79535968
Of course you don't, kiddo.

>>79535903
Whenever non-/who/ Doctor Who threads pop up, they typically lean heavily towards early nu-Who. At least until the angry spergs in this general catch wind of it, at which point they will flood the thread and bitch to hell and back.

To answer your question, I'd say Ten.

>>79536041
>Thirteenth Doctor is the Breast Doctor.
Fixed.

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>>79536049
>>79535968
>>79535910
go and play with your pots
your autistic daubings are of no interest to us

>>79536187
Yeah they are.

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>>79536207
Bored, Connor?

>>79536318
My name isn't Connor.

>>79536042
>Nine? Twelve? Eight? hm, interesting... what reasons do people have for these?
Well, besides being three of the best actors who've played the role, and other reasons I'm sure their fans will give you, a few things to consider:

Nine left us all wanting more, rather than overstaying his welcome the way Three, Four, or Ten arguably did. Also, depending on how old you are, he either saved the show after 18 years in the void, or started it. And he got to kick off the Rose relationship, which was refreshing and new for Doctor Who, but wasn't the one who ran it into the ground and showed why it wasn't right for Doctor Who.

Twelve was exactly the opposite of what the worst of Doctor Who quasi-fandom wanted, and they reacted exactly as you'd expect, and therefore any real fan has to be happy with him.

As for Eight, great novels and audios, but nothing on TV but a bad movie and a good but very short mini-episode—and nobody can call you on being a hipster, because a real hipster would choose Six. Plus, he's handsome in exactly the way you'd expect the Doctor to be handsome, as opposed to Ten, who's a normal handsome guy cosplaying as a geek, or Three, who's like your dad's dashing older brother, or Seven or Eleven, who just aren't.

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>>79536367
Yes it is, mongo.

Where the fuck is the season 9 OST?

>>79535985
Mongo is one of the most dedicated shitposters (creepily so, even) but plenty of anons have beaten him in shitpost quality.

>>79536586
You'll see, he'll give up long before monganon did. Fucker stayed 9 months and he's still going on about cats and Cloister in other /tv/ threads. The new one can't keep up, I give him a week.

this show got so shit when tennant left. can't believe there's actually a general for it desu senpai

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>>79536703
This poster likes candy!

>>79536415
>and other reasons I'm sure their fans will give you,
Or maybe not; it looks like they're too busy feeding the troll. OK, let's try.

Nine is fragile, manic happiness layered on top of PTSD pain layered on top of a guy who really is excited about the universe underneath it all. That's a great idea for a Doctor, and Eccleston pulled it off. (He doesn't work nearly as well in novels or comics as he does on TV.) Plus, most of his stories were good, and his character is consistent across all of them.

Eight makes the Doctor's enthusiasm for the universe seem totally alien, but still infectious. Two and Eleven pull off being Tigger when they're being funny, but Eight can do it even during the dramatic moments. Plus, his novels (and, to a lesser extent, audios) pushed the boundaries of what Doctor Who can do, and really used time travel in a way Moffat can only dream of translating to the mass TV audience. (Of course Seven's novels also pushed the boundaries, maybe even more successfully, but he's got season 24, and his first few years of audios, to hold him back.)

Twelve lets us see inside his head far more than most of the other Doctors, and inside, he's alien, but still relatable. It's also nice to have a Doctor who's confident enough in his brilliance that he doesn't have to keep shouting about it.

You should give up comedy, Connor, you're rubbish.

>>79536703
Hi cats!

>>79519649
Was he retarded or based?

He thought the Doctor was a Cop right?

>>79536703
Hi Cloister!

>>79536703
Hi melanon!

>>79536783
Now, here's why they're all wrong and Two is best: He is everything that makes the Doctor the Doctor. Sure, each little thing, some later Doctor did better, but nobody did all of them better, and he did all of them first. (Before him, the Doctor was a grumpy guy learning at an old age how to have fun being a rebel, which was pretty cool, but it's not what any later Doctor is.)

Plus, he had the best companion team ever.

>>79537214
>the Doctor was a grumpy guy learning at an old age how to have fun being a rebel, which was pretty cool, but it's not what any later Doctor is
Isn't that literally 12?

>>79537266
>Isn't that literally 12?
Grumpy, yes, but not the rest of it. He's been having fun as a rebel for 1000 years, and he's doing it right from the start of his new incarnation.

At least to me, he's got far more of 4 and 6, or even 2, 3, and 7 in him, than 1.

>>79537463
>he's got far more of 4 and 6
Maybe 6 the way Colin described the character, but not so much 6 the way he played the character on TV, or in his much better early audios…

>>79537463
Really? Not trying to have fun being a rebel?
>Wearing hoodies
>Playing guitar
>sunglasses
Bait?

>>79537736
And that's all stuff he spontaneously came up with, not stuff the universe had to cajole him into.

If you want to paint him as a midlife crisis caricature, that's fine, but it's not remotely the same as any caricature of One, who's more like… Cameron getting Ferris Buellered at 80 instead of 18.

>>79537688
>Maybe 6 the way Colin described the character, but not so much 6 the way he played the character on TV, or in his much better early audios…
Actually, holy shit. 12 is so much like what Colin wanted 6 to be. How did I miss that?

>>79537835
>Cameron getting Ferris Buellered
OK, what does that mean? Just because I watch Classic Who doesn't mean I've seen everything from the 1970s.

>>79520079
moffat ruined doctor who desu

>>79538086
>OK, what does that mean?
Risky Business? OK, never mind. Half the teen movies of the 80s had the same dynamic, but I can't think of any from the 00s that weren't just about sparkly vampires, so…

Ferris is a brilliant teenage con artist. His best friend Cameron has a perpetual stick up his ass and is afraid of authority. Ferris takes his girlfriend and Cameron out of school to have a day of crazy adventures. Cameron learns that sometimes you have to just not give a fuck, but also sometimes you have to face the consequences of your decisions. Ferris doesn't learn anything, but that's OK, because he's just the comic relief even though he's officially the star.

Reminder that star trek will always be better than doctor who

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>>79536946


Chicken boy for next Doctor

>>79538563
Nothing in Who is nearly as bad as Neelix episodes on Voyager

>>79538563
>Captain, the technobabble is technobabbling! >Captain, I believe if we technobabble the technobabble, it'll fix the technobabble.
>OK, first I'm gonna sleep with the alien chick, then we can try that. OK, done. (The previous part only for TOS. For later shows, replace with "first I have to work out my relationship drama.") Now, how much time do we have?
>18 minutes.
>And how much time will it take to technobabble the technobabble?
>21 minutes.
>Do it faster!
>OK.
>Phew! Everything is saved!

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Hey /who/bros, when does the new season start?

>>79538869
Early April afaik

>>79538869
>Hey /who/bros, when does the new season start?
15 April, according to Capaldi. For some reason, the BBC has only officially announced "this April", so I guess they could change it to the 8th or 22nd.

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Hi guys.

Just picked this up. What am i in for? I couldn't be more excited at the prospect of Doctor Who no longer bound by a shit budget. Does it deliver? Is the art direction spectacular? Or does it just try and replicate a typical classic who story in animated form?

>>79539096
>I couldn't be more excited at the prospect of Doctor Who no longer bound by a shit budget
First, it uses the original soundtrack, so even if they wanted to deviate from the original visuals (which they didn't), they couldn't have gone very far.

Second, a shit animation budget is still a shit budget. It's better than most of the previous animations, which were all done on "what can we pay someone out of petty cash" or "hey, we're big fans and also trying to make a name for ourselves so we did this animation on spec so pay us whatever you're willing", but you're not going to mistake it for Pixar.

Still, the high-contrast look was an interesting choice that kind of fits, and it's more enjoyable than the Loose Cannon telesnap recon.

>>79539295

I'm okay with it being janky looking, but what i mean is do other planets look like other planets, or do they look like backdrop paintings like in City of Death?

Idk, i love doctor who but it takes some imagination to enjoy the classics with how shitty the aliens and special effects look. I think animation is a brilliant idea for DW.

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>>79536139
Oh, you.

>>79539420
>I'm okay with it being janky looking, but what i mean is do other planets look like other planets, or do they look like backdrop paintings like in City of Death?
As I said, it's trying to be a pretty faithful reconstruction. But there are a few things that I remember. There's a pan across the planet that clearly has three layers instead of just the quarry and the painting. And one scene where stuff actually moves in the background layer, which obviously never happened in a pre-CSO matte-painting scene. But only a few little things like that. For the most part, it's a cartoony version of the original, not a cartoony version of something the original couldn't have done.

>I think animation is a brilliant idea for DW.
I agree, but I don't think recons can really exploit the full potential. (Although I do hope they keep doing those, too—it can be hard to struggle with the telesnap recons, and even harder to convince anyone else to watch with you…) Even if you didn't have to stick to the original soundtrack, all of the stories were written and structured around "what can we do with a gravel quarry or soundstage and whatever sets and paintings we have lying around".

I'd love to see them do something like Infinite Quest or Dreamland, but with a proper budget, and aimed at the same audience as Doctor Who instead of at Totally, and with a writer who has some idea of how to use the expanded scope available. (Or maybe just someone from Big Finish who's never had to come to terms with TV's limitations in the first place?)

>>79539823
>Or maybe just someone from Big Finish who's never had to come to terms with TV's limitations in the first place?
Marc Platt? He kept trying to write stuff that they couldn't possibly have pulled off with the 80s BBC budget. And some of his audios still go for similar scope. I think he could write a great animated story that sort of bridges the classic and nuwho eras.

>>79525581
I like to think he reset once he got to War.
And he lost count once when he was Four, because Four seems like the type to do that.

>>79540128

We should get an animated mini series with every doctor teamed up.

>>79540297
>And he lost count once when he was Four, because Four seems like the type to do that.
Well, Romana caught Four intentionally lying about his age, so he hadn't lost count yet.

>>79532556
A side effect of the forced regeneration from Eight to War. That Karn juice will fuck you up and make you glow.
The Time Lords might have also used the Sisterhood to help bring back the Master, so he had some of their potions too and that's why he explodes when he goes from Yana to Simm.

>>79540302
>We should get an animated mini series with every doctor teamed up.
You mean all at once, or every possible pairing, or each of the first 11 with 12, or…?

>>79540335
He told Sarah he was middle aged.
Maybe he just kept on lying about it all through that life just for the hell of it.

>>79540403

All at once. A threat so big, the doctor needs all 13 of him to face it.. But when there are 13 doctors aboard one tardis, things get a bit cramped. Even with its infinite space inside it..

>>79540297
>I like to think he reset once he got to War.
That actually makes sense.

Other than those two times Three said he was millennia old, the first seven Doctors were pretty consistent about their age.

It was only with Eight that it started getting confusing. And no wonder—even he has no idea whether his century stuck on Earth came before, after, or sideways of his six centuries stuck on Orbis, so when he says he's almost 1500, what does that even mean? Not to mention that his history was rewritten multiple times, and he had amnesia more often than not.

So, after his regeneration, he probably just shouted "No more!" and decided that if he doesn't get to be called the Doctor, he doesn't have to be 2100 or 3600 or whatever anymore, he's 0, and fuck anyone who doesn't like it.

Not that it matters now that he's billions of years old and all those quibbles are barely even rounding errors…

>>79540633
>All at once.
Three Doctors (even if they sometimes call it Five) and at most one companion apiece is already straining things every time they've tried it. Maybe if it was like 10 45-minute episodes to give them a bit more room than the usual 100 minute special, it would work, but I don't know.

>all 13 of him to face it.
Tennant is going to point out that there should be two of him if he's both #11 and #12. But I guess that could be good press?

>>79540829
Five Doctors was really only good the first time.
The novelty wore off haaard on repeat viewings. It needed a bigger budget and a longer runtime, among other things

>>79541207
>The novelty wore off haaard on repeat viewings.
Same thing with Sirens of Time. Not nearly as good as I remembered the first time, not to mention that Five's solo part is so much better than the three-Doctor part.

The Four Doctors, though, I actually liked better on a repeat listen. It's not Big Finish's greatest moment ever or anything, but it's pretty decent, and they even came up with clever never ways to do the inter-Doctor sparring.

>>79542020
Three Doctors did it best. It's a cohesive, interesting story with the added bonus of Troughton and William Hartnell's ghost. It's the perfect balance.

>>79542020
The difference is that Sirens of Time wasn't very enjoyable even the first time. I had a lot of fun with The Five Doctors, on the other hand.

>>79542344
I didn't remember anything at all about it except the scenes with the three of them together.
I listened to it again a few years later and didn't know a single thing about the story.

can we get a stream up or something I'm so bored /who/ please help

>>79543702
Might be too late/early to get a proper stream going. You could write something?

>>79543755
>You could write something?
sure, I'll write my last will & testament because I'm about to die from boredom

>>79517038
Holy fuck that perfect Eccleman/Smith fusion

>>79539295
>even if they wanted to deviate from the original visuals (which they didn't)
There are definitely some shots in there that wouldn't have been in the original serial, like the one where Daleks are chanting and the camera moves to look down on them from above and rotates.

I invented Doctor Who

>>79546606
Fark off Moffat

What are you listening to /who/?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icHU5zB5fLM

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>mfw page 8

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>>79549159
>mfw tom's the next doctor to die

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>>79549215
>Tom
>Dying
He's not a human being he walks on eternity

>>79549215
have you seen Colin recently? He's been in terrible shape for years.

>>79542091
The problem is the story's bullshit and episode 3 could be skipped with no ill effects.

Two Doctors is much better. It's longer and is just a great story that happens to have two Doctors in it.
They really should have removed the Sontarans when filming moved to Spain though...

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>>79550695
>Two Doctors is much better. It's longer and is just a great story

>>79550695
Can we all at least agree that The Eight Doctors is the worst multi-Doctor story in any medium?

>>79550829
Not when Zagreus and The Light at the End exist.
Now that I think about it, the Eighth Doctor has a really awful track record when it comes to multi-Doctor stories. Interference is the only good one.

>>79550829
In my experience any book or comic story with ZOMG ALL THE DOCTERS is going to be unreadable shit.

We're open all year round, of course autists will get attracted and try to ruin our general.

Only 2 months till new Who.
I canna wait my m8s

>>79551577
>two months til new series
>still no ost for last series

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>>79551708
>ten days til end of the month
>still no final War Doctor anthology

>>79551577
>2 months
I thought it was next month?

>>79551984
Easter's not 'till Aprl

>>79552012
I didn't know the release date was "easter", I thought it was March. Not sure why

>>79536041
What's with the poster of a spooky ghost?

>>79550946
What was wrong with the Four Doctors?

>>79551041
It was never more than two at a time.

>>79539096
>does it just try and replicate a typical classic who story in animated form?
They even kept the continuity errors in on purpose.

>>79553116
>It was never more than two at a time.
But it was still all of them. The point is it's excessive fanwank. At least when you have to actually get the actors it feels more like the fanwank is earned.

>>79553116
>They even kept the continuity errors in on purpose.
The best animator autism was when The Invasion reproduced the upskirt shots of both Zoe and Jamie from the original.

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HERE COME, THE DRUMS!

>>79553253 >>79553253 >>79553253

>>79553116
>What was wrong with the Four Doctors?
I'd actually forgotten about its existence.
Probably tells you all you need to know.