>throws out a quip before he dies Are you fucking kidding

that's capeshit for you
they want the double digit IQ popcorn munching audience

>>79475697

>What the fuck is this shit?

Its how you make bank and entertain the audience.

>>79475697
He didn't quip so good

What was his quip, OP? I can't remember.

>>79475697
why were quips ok in the 80s, but they cause you guys to go into autistic fits of rage now?

>>79475697
Not all Marvels are created equal, but they're all better than DC.

>>79475697
Why was Fox's Quicksilver so much better than this guy who didn't do much of anything?

Why didn't he carry them away? Was he suicidal?

>>79476067
>I'll catch you guys in the big shawarma house in the sky

>>79476192
Well for starters the 80s had competant action scenes and violence to go with the quips. I can't believe you don't know this.

>>79476192
Because they went all in on super-serious Snyder films, got embarrassed, and now rampantly troll Marvel films and their more light-hearted approach out of a combination of sunk-cost fallacy and autistic rage

>>79476352
Whedon's humor was at its worst in AoU. In X-men, Quicksilver is the comedic relief, but it's played well by Evan Peters in doses. Nobody else is cracking jokes every second like it does with Whedon.

NO QUIPS

NO RT APPROVAL

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>'Whedonesque' dialog

>>79476192
I dunno anon. I watched they live a couple of months ago and I was surprised how lame those firefights were.

>>79476067

>I've never been penetrated this many times at once before

>>79476067
He says it 10 times throughout the movie and IIRC in the ads. C'mon keep up.

>>79476192
The problem isn't quips. The problem is misplaced flippancy. 80s action movies took action scenes seriously while Marvel Studios won't allow the audience to feel any amount of tension. The best example of this is Civil War. If you remove the airport scene it's mostly quipless and is serious. But with that scene it is disjointed.

>>79476528
This too. When there's one character who cracks wise it stands out and is a definite character trait. When everyone cracks jokes it's annoying.

>>79476067
>see you in a flash
:^)

>>79476819
>If you remove the airport scene it's mostly quipless and is serious.
You need to rewatch the Africa action sequence.

>killing off Quicksilver before he and Scarlet Witch could take opposite sides in Civil War
>killing off the only speedster on the team when it's the most fun superpower
>killing him off in such a retarded ass fashion on top of that

Fuck Joss "King of the Cucks" Whedon.

>>79475697
How would somebody moving at that speed even die from being shot? Wouldn't that be like someone slowly pushing a bullet against you until 1 minute later it goes through your skin? Couldn't he literally just slap them aside?

Does that mean he deliberately just stood there and let the bullets slowly drive into his body? Seems like if you wanted to kill a speedster then you'd use something as fast as them, like standing in water with it becoming electrified.

>>79476944
>when it's the most fun superpower
I'll take Antman or Spiderman for $500 dollars, Alex

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>>79475697
>kill him off after his first appearance because he can't possibly complete with the one from the X-Men movies.

>>79477028
what a fucking pleb answer

kill yourself

>>79476984
>that speed
Quicksilver isn't anywhere near Flash level, the movie was pretty accurate to his usual level in the comics.

>>79477109
>liking Ant-Man over The Flash is considered plebeian
Are you for real?

>>79475697
Age of Ultron was a mistake

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>>79477125
Even if Quicksilver isn't Flash's level, there's no bullet on earth that's as fast as him.

>>79476984
Well if you actually want to be technical, everything he touches when moving at that speed should cause him serious harm. He couldn't theoretically just touch people and have them fly across the room in normal speed without himself receiving the same equal and opposite force from those touches.

>>79477188
lightning bold is about 2/3 the speed of light. this does put him in flash range rather than marvel range

though "when he was a kid" in the 1970s so to speak, he was around speed of sound iirc

>>79476746
>>79476378
Kek

>>79477289
>lightning
>not light speed

?

>>79477338
Lightning doesn't move at the speed of light dumbass.

>>79475697
>Because of his Spider-Sense, Peter doesn't really have to focus in battle. As long as his Spider-Sense tells him when an attack is incoming, he's got the reflexes and speed to avoid it. However, when his Spider-Sense is disabled by enemies like Carnage or Venom, he has to focus a lot more, so he cuts the quips down a lot.

>As for why he does it, Peter was young and still nerdy when he became Spider-Man. He used humor to distract himself from the nervousness and fear he felt when he started fighting adult supervillains, and as he got older and more confident, he kept doing it out of habit. Also, he's just kind of a smartass in general.

>EDIT: Also, part of winning a fight is psychological. If Spidey mocks and taunts his enemies, they're more likely to get angry and make a mistake.

>>79477500
prove it

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>>79477338
Light-ning is originally misnamed from ancient times.

No, no, this sucker's electrical!

>>79477669
It's on you to prove it does dumbass.

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>>79477627
woah

>>79477687
You made the claim buckaroo

>>79475697
>showing growth before he died
sorry if it was tooo deep for you

>>79477752
see>>79477338
You made the claim dumbass.

>>79477808
A question mark is not a claim buddy

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>>79477338
Are you fucking retarded? The "speed of light" is the speed of massless particles (photons) in a vacuum. Which of those two components describes lightning?

You remind me of that dumbass lanklet on here a few days ago trying to argue that nerve signals travel at the speed of light.

>>79477808
>>79477837
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lightning+bolt+speed

stupid fags

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>>79477627
Well said

>>79477876
>avengers bullying some black kid

what the fuck tony is even vandalizing his locker

>>79477876
Why is Iron Man's helmet like a misshapen, squashed skull?

>>79475697
Spoilers

>>79477868
Not a valid source dumbass

>>79477908
Fuck I don't know why that made me laugh so hard

>>79477994
http://www.maine.gov/mema/prepare/prep_display.shtml?163524
>The return stroke (the current that cause the visible flash) moves upward at a speed of about 320,000,000 ft per second or about 220,000,000 miles per hour (about 1/3 the speed of light)
Kill yourself dumbass.

x-men did him better

>>79478097
maine.gov is also not a valid source dumbass

>>79478140
List a valid source autismo

>>79475697

The worst part about this scene was that it was followed immediately by a comic relief "hulk gets the jump on the baddy" scene, thus killing any sympathy for the death scene and confirming how shitty of a director Whedon is.

>>79478170
I'm not the one making a claim

>>79478176
yes you are, you claimed maine.gov is not valid

>>79478176
You claimed several sources were not valid. Support your claims if you can action man.

>>79478192
Because it isn't, it's claimers job to have good sources, I'm just telling him he's shit

>>79476192
It doesn't fit the tone of the movie. They advertise this shit as melodramatic sagas and then throw in trash jokes because it was received so well in the first Avengers.
It doesn't know what it's trying to be.

>>79478140
>I'll just ignore all evidence that I'm wrong
>that will prove I haven't been BTFO!

just close the thread, this is embarrassing

>>79477876
>you will never be physically comforted and nurtured by Black Widow

>>79478221
It's your job to provide good sources on why these are not good sources. You are a failure by your own standards dumbass.

>>79478233
i-it said on the wbsite so it must be true

hahaha imagine being this gullible, holy fuck

>>79475697
Age of Ultron is the only Marvel Studios movie I did not enjoy watching and the only one I honestly consider to be a bad film.

>>79476067
C'MON, STEP IT UP

>>79478298
You have terrible argumentative skills, I'm guessing you're a /pol/crossposter

>>79478287
Nope, learn how to cite facts before you step into a discussion for adults, kiddo

>>79478339

Like you did? Oh wait

>>79478326
>>79478370
*sigh* back to /pol/ young ones. You'll find the "discussion" is more your speed there.

>>79476067
Barter you did not expect it cometh

>>79478339
>makes claim
>doesn't support it with evidence or sources
Thanks for playing dumbass.

>there are 14 films and counting in this fucking franchise
jesus christ, when will it end

>>79478384
>parroting what I just said

0/10 gg ez

>>79476352

Whedon is a talentless hack.

>>79478423
hmm>>79478416

>>79476803
Pretty sure he just says it twice, and Hawkeye says it back at him once.

>>79478423
Back to /v/ faggot.

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>>79477876
I heard they were ditching the SJW shit but this seems like they're taking it to extremes.

>>79478417
What the fuck are you talking about, there's only two Avengers films, the original and Age of Ultron.

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tbqh the weirdest thing about Quicksilver's death is how everyone seems to immediately forget it happened.

In Civil War, which takes place not too long after Ultron, Wanda never once mentions or alludes to her brother's death, or whatever emotional impact it had on her.

>>79478214
>>79478192
>>79478176
>>79478170
>>79478140
>>79478097
>>79477994
>>79477868
>>79477837
>>79477808
>>79477752
>>79477687
>>79477669
>>79477500
>>79477338
>>79477289
KILL
YOUR
SELVES

>>79478497
the franchise is the entire universe not just avengers films proper

>>79475697
Why do you think Whedon was dropkicked from Marvel?

>>79478497
i'm talking about the marvel cinematic universe as a collective franchise
everything they've done has been building up to infinity war, it's all meant to be one collective series

>>79478497
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe

>>79475697
Why did Whedon even kill him? What emotional attachment were we supposed to have? Fucking stupid.

>>79475697
>kill the guy who sells the least merchandise
murica

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>>79476378

>>79476067
>they're not bullet holes, they're speed holes

>>79475697

Even moving the car in place which was not bulletproof anyways, he's in theory fast enough to avoid the bullets. They didn't even need to kil him at all and it would of changed nothing to the story.

>>79478553
I trolled him p good tbqhwy

>>79478602
This bothered me. Why do it? It seemed so forced there was no emotional impact.

All I could feel was wtf you dopes just killed off a potentially interesting character.

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>>79478497
pic related is the franchise stuff coming out in this year alone anon

>>79478691
>Inhumans
>Runaways
>Punisher

If these are coming out this year, how have I not heard any information about them whatsoever?

>>79478534
There's probably legal limitations, didn't Disney have to license their own property from Fox? I heard that's how they worked it out because Fox wanted Quicksilver more and Disney wanted Scarlet Witch more. I bet Disney licensed Scarlet Witch for several movies but Quicksilver only for one, so now they can't even mention him.

>>79478691
desu only saw Guardians when glowing reviews were proliferating.

sounds like a plan for most of this.

>>79476067
>In all seriousness, I'll get less wind resistance from these gaping holes in my body

>>79478728
I thought they were built in to X-Men by right of being mutants and they own Marvel "mutants" lock stock and barrel

They exist in Avengers license because they are Avengers, though the word mutant may not pass anyone's lips.

So they are already pre-licensed in both sub-franchises for unlimited use, afaik

>>79478796
Correct. Marvel gets away with using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch without having to license them from Fox because the characters, despite being mutants, have featured more prominently in Avengers comics than in X-Men comics.

Age of Ultron and Iron Man 2 are the only bad MCU movies

Try and prove me wrong

>>79478962
I wouldn't say they're bad but I had no desire to see them a second time. This puts them in the same boat as everything except Guardians, which is more sci-fi/humor than superhero in feel.

>>79478962
Age of Ultron has some big flaws but is actually pretty good and underrated/under-appreciated imo. It's impressive in terms of how ambitious it is and how much it manages to do right, despite being cluttered and bloated.

Thor: The Dark World is the only truly "bad" MCU movie, while others like Iron Man 2 are varying degrees of mediocre.

>>79478717
They're tv shows. Inhumans is on ABC, Runaways is on Hulu, and Punisher is on Netflix.

>>79479168
Ultron character started out creepy as fuck but by the end was making jokes and other crap.

Also boo on sort of recycling the Superman Returns ending of lifting a huge land mass.

>>79479168
Iron Man 2 is a cluttered mess

Thor: The Dark World was at least fun to watch in some regard, largely because a lot of it took place on Asgard and other non-earth locations

>>79479293
I liked Ultron in his last conversation with Vision. If he was like that the whole movie he would have been so much greater

>>79476944
This

What a mistake Hawkeye should have been the one who died

>>79476067
>Don't worry, I've built up an immunity using smaller bullets!

>>79476067
wanna know how i got these scars?

>>79478318
Now its Ant man and Doctor strange

So boring

>>79479814
Sort of like Roy Batty except Ultron does a Senate Spin offscreen and dies like a bitch after being in one of the worst films ever made.

Spader's voice deserved better.

>>79476067
>Should have worn my Adidas™

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LukyMYp2noo

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>I don't like sand

>>79479293
>>79479814
I heard that Ultron was actually a lot creepier in the original cut, but test audiences didn't like that, so they made the genocidal robot more "family friendly".

I was down for Whedon "Illogical robot", but it's a shame that meant immediately going for a quip dispenser.

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>you didn't see that coming
>le hulk smash XDD ISn't it so great guise!
>bion ban
>I'VE GOT NO STRINGS TO PUT ME DOWN
>I HAVE NO STRINGS NOW XD
>I'll rescue you , big guy
>le womyn power
>getting triggered about #stuff

>cap drops a huge ass weight on a kid
>kid tries to hold it up
>le where are ye from, kid
>muh queenz
>muh brooklyn
>LE END OF THE LINE XD

>I AM IRON MAN
>NO WAIT, I REALLY AM, I'M KIND OF DYING
>NO NOW I NEED TO KILL SOME ALIENS LMAO AND MY AI BUTLER IS AWESOME XD AND MY ASSISTANT IS MY GF
>OH WAIT, LET ME JUST DESTROY ALL MY SUITS CUZ MUH GF
>AND LET ME JUST GET THEM ALL BACK AND MAKE AN AI THREE MONTHS LATER
>AND THIS GOES BATSHIT CRAZY AND DESTROYS THE PLANET
>LOL MY AI IS NOW A ROBOT AND MY NEW ASSISTANT IS NOW "FRIDAY" AND SHE SUCKS LOL!!11!!
>OH NO NOW MY GF TOTALLY BROKE UP WITH ME AND LET ME JUST PUT ALL MY FRIENDS IN PRISON NOW XD AND GET DECIMATED BY A 100 YEAR OLD MAN WITH A SHIELD!
>LE AIRPORT BATTLE
>NO CAUSALITIES!!!


>be me
>be ant-man
>be a retard
>have a retarded friend who does weird voices which idiots like
>muh microverse, I ain't gotta explain shit!
>le tme just honk your boobs cap


>be le peggy
>show off boobs
>WOMYN POWER XDDD
>kill grown men with my bare hands
WOW SO AWESOME GUISE


>be hawkeye
>lol I love natasha lol
>no we're just friends guise xddd
>no now I quit and have a family with kidssssss
>lol no more avengers
>i joined it again three months later
>woo so good


>be scarlett johansson
>show boobs
>applause

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>>79476192
We didn't have the internet to tell us everything sucked

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>>79480820

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>>79480820

>>79478318

Its just too overstuffed. None of its moments stand out enough. It doesn't have a clear path or vision. ITs just.... really.....bleh. Whedon is so shit when it comes to tone. He even admits it. That he didnt expect people to laugh during the hulkbuster fight. Like.... you dingus....

>>79480732
kek

>>79475697
More importantly, how did he not dodge those bullets?

quipkino

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Black Widow saying "beep beep" on the motorcycle is when I realized that Marvel just wasn't for me.

>>79475697
Go out with a smile.

>>79478534
Clint says "I owe a debt".

It's implied Wanda is trying to forge ahead with her new life, so she's trying to leave the past behind. Wanda is a stoic person,it would be out of character for her to spew about Pietro (unless written by Bendis).

"It's my fault."
"It's not."
"They are being very specific."
"Wanda, your brother died and that's sad...I don't want to upset you by bringing up something that is painful, the death of your brother, Pietro Maximoff, but...but muh Bucky I felt like I was a kid again..."

"This is not Paprika."
"In my defence I have never eaten...I am sorry your brother died, Wanda."

"You gonna mope about feeling sad about your brother Pietro dying, or get off your ass?"

"Wanda, I was trying to protect you from dying like your brother Pietro who died."

>>79478534

To be fair she did wince at the Sokovia footage in Civil War, to which Steve said to shut it off.

But yes his dead has been pretty lackluster represented. Even by her.

If Quicksilver dying has no meaning and purpose by the end of Infinity War (when they'll literally have the power to revive him) I will be pissed...mildly.

>>79476192
One Liners are macho
Quips are effeminate

One Liners are said right before or right after an action
Quips take place during an action

Quips are interchangeable between characters
One Liners are specifically to show characterization

Quips are forgettable time fillers
One Liners are memorable

Many more such examples but I think you got the hang of it

>>79478796
>>79478943


The rights is actually really, really complicated. Like, digging through the copyright archives at marvel and fox and all this weird shit. Fox does not have the rights to Scarlet Witch or Quicksilver.
Fox does have the rights to Magnetos family and marvel comics mutants.

The rights to many characters were handled in a much looser way prior to 2005 when Marvel tried to get them back. The rights typically speciffy a characters trademark. Like If you're going to use cyclops he has laser eyes. Any time a character had different powers, like Calisto in X-men 3 have speed powers, Marvel approved this. It's speculated that marvel approved use of quicksilver in x-men 3, who was later removed and inserted into wolverine, also removed and cut down to a cameo. Marvel gave permission to use him....but seemed to regret it and argue against it. The rights DID fall under avengers as per their deal with merril-lynch. That if some other studio got the rights to avengers, it included the twins.

The two studios do still talk, so they clearly worked something out. The rumor is, Fox has not gotten permission to use scarlet witch.

>>79476067
>i should have quipped while i was ahead.

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>>79481343
There NEEDS to be a flashback to Wanda's childhood and the death of her parents in Infinity War.

Without that, Vision's fate won't have the emotional weight it should have.

>>79477876

>SC⭐ANE⭐RDA8M
>HOOLDC⭐FIYP

>>79481359
Fox have never used Scarlet Witch in the past two decades.

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>>79476378

>>79477338
You can see lighting crackle as it hits. Can you see a light bulb hit the wall when you turn it on

it kinda always bothers me how little impact bullets like those have in movies. the gun on that ship looked like a fucking gau 8, probably not as big but even a smaller version of it should've left him as nothing but a puddle of meat. those entry wounds look too small.

>>79481493

Yea, because they cant

>>79481343
>>79481343
In Age of Ultron, Wanda's eyes glow when Pietro is saying about their parent's death, and when she rips out Ultron's heart.

>>79476943
You could at least interpret that as the movie showing how reckless the Avengers have become

>>79475697

>You didn't see that coming.

Everyone suspected was that someone big was going to die in AoU. Everyone assumed that Hawkeye would be the one to die. So Joss thought it would be brilliant to play off this. The whole movie we're made to believe Hawkeye is who is going to die.

>He gets a ton of screentime and focus.
>He gets backstory on his family
>We're made to relate to him because of how human he is.
>He feels outclassed by all Avengers
>He has several moments of nearly dying.

"You didn't see that coming" is established between Hawkeye and Quicksilver. The audience is led to believe the final payoff was Hawkeye shooting the glass below QS, which is Hawkeye getting back at him. The real payoff is instead of Hawkeye biting the dust to save a kid, QS sacrificed himself to save Hawkeye, saying the line again as a jab at the audience.

This doesn't work, but its not the quip that ruins it (QS honestly would say that as smart ass as he is), its more or less the timing and mood that's been set that ruins it.

Half of the final fight, quips and jokes are being thrown about. It lessens the stakes of the battles. If you're about to die on a robot-made meteor, and you want the audience to feel the urgency you probably shouldn't have your characters making fun of the situation or cracking jokes at the enemy. It makes it feel as if your protagonists feel like their enemy is not a threat and they aren't in danger of anything. You cant argue that all these characters use humor as a crutch in serious situations, that doesn't work when you have established how these characters act in other movies and they dont act the same way. It was complete BS that everyone had Stark-like humor. Even Cap, who literally never quips during a war, he takes war very seriously.

But we should be glad Marvel realized he nearly fucked up and got rid of him. Joss would have ruined Avengers 3-4

>>79481722
>But we should be glad Marvel realized he nearly fucked up and got rid of him. Joss would have ruined Avengers 3-4
and so you think civil war was better>

>>79481689

We're not talking about her not caring in the actual movie but afterwards.

That is her lifelong brother she spent her life with. They were experimented on together. Him dying should be a bigger deal and should be something she still mourns over in Civil War, but she seems more concerned with her own actions. She doesn't even mention him. Even DC movies understand that when someone dies its not just forgotten about, not saying QS is as big a deal as Superman was but there's a reason not many people even talk about the Marvel Quicksilver anymore.

>>79481762

Miles better. For one, the main quips of that movie come from the intro battle scene and the airport scene.

It works in the initial action scene because it was just a routine job by Avengers until the fuck up at the end when everyone got serious as they should have. It echos what the general would then do, showing them causing damage with little to no reaction until they realize they should have took it more seriously. Its also worth noting only Falcon is really quippy in this scene as well.

Not only is the fight not that serious, i believe it was intentional to lighten the mood before bringing it back down when Rhody is injured. The quips in the airport scene work because they acknowledge that the fight is merely a distraction (Bucky and Cap are trying to get away and Team Iron Man just want to catch them) and that they do not want to kill each other. On top of that characters are consistent in their motivations and depending on those motivations, they either take it serious or they don't.

>Spider-Man is just happy to be there. He's naturally quippy.
>Hawkeye and Antman are just doing a favor, they are naturally quippy.
>Winter Soldier is weirded out by Spider-Man, thats a pretty natural reaction.
>Falcon is quippy, as established.
>Cap makes one sly remark when talking to Spider-Man but thats about it. He's serious.
>Widow makes one quip to Hawkeye, consistent with their relationship.
>Vision says nothing.
>Black Panther is serious the entire time and wants to kill Bucky. (The i dont care bit wasn't a quip, Hawkeye was just being a smart ass.)
>Wanda is serious because of her anger towards Stark.
>War Machine you could make a case for, as he seems not to take it serious till near the end.


But then after that, the rest of the movie is serious. Stark is still Stark but the final battle, the one we should really care about, is deathly serious. Thats how it should be.

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>>79476192
The quips keep being placed in the middle of big dramatic scenes or action scenes, so they spoil the tension or emotions that the scene was supposed to build.

Remember in Guardians of the Galaxy, how the whole film is building up to Quill and this band of misfits joining together to become heroes? How that's the whole point of the movie? Then, when it finally happens, they all stand up, these ragtag anti-heroes, selflessly agreeing to save the universe....

....and then Rocket Raccoon spoils the moment with "Well now I'm standing. Happy? We're all standing now. Bunch of jackasses, standing in a circle."

That's why people fucking hate quips.

>>79481549
Dear fucking lord anon

>>79475697
>blocks the rounds from a futuristic jet with his body
What the fuck?
A. It looks like they went through him - how did putting his body in the way help?

B. Why would you not just move Hawkeye and the kid?

What the fuck is this bullshit

I enjoy this thread.

AoU was such garbage.

>Weekend as Ultron's

>>79476067
>"Not gonna lie, future Trump supporter here. This is hilarious watching him crash and burn, but in all seriousness we can't let this man get the nuclear codes."

I can't see him in anything else other than his rapist hillbilly character after watching Nocturnal Animals.

Maybe it's because he's always been so bland in all of his movies that his performance in Nocturnal Animals surprised the fuck out of me.

What would have made age of ultron better? Besides having a different director?

>>79476067
Before I die here's a quick rundown on the Bognadoffs
rothschilds bow to the Bogdanoffs

in contact with aliens

rumoured to possess psychic abilities

control france with an iron fist

own castles and banks all over the world

direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line

will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bogdangrad will be be the first city)ancient Indian scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon the Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them

These are the Bogdanoff twins

They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world

You likely have Bogdabots inside you right now

The Bogdanoffs are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church

They learned fluent French in under a week

Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the twins. There's no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Bogdanoff

Trump is rumoured to be an agent of the Bogdanoffs

own basically every DNA editing research facility on Earth

first designer babies will be Bogdanoff Babies

both brothers said to have 200+ IQ

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lmfao OP here, i made this shit post at work and forgot about it