Just finished picture related. I actually was enjoying it until

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>>79408563
>until the last couple of episodes
What the fuck are you talking about, the finale is absolutely dogshit, but before that is the mirror universe, and before that is based Terra Prime, with one of the best trek villains over.
Season 4 is legitimately great.

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>>79408845
>DUDE Make Terra Great Again LMAO
Why are Earth-Firsters always so dumb across every media?

>>79408563
Berman and Braga had laid off control of Enterprise for the last 2 seasons, until the last episode, which they wrote, hence why it was a disaster.

>>79409543
That makes sense it seemed like a big fuck you and the actors seemed not into it.

>>79408563
Terra Prime was fantastic. As far as I'm concerned, the finale was non-canon.

Trip and T'Pol married and tried again, and lived together forever.

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>>79408563
Enterprise was the only Trek series that was good from the very beginning.

Seasons 1-3 were the best. Season 4 was when the quality started to fade. Most all of the stinkers are in season 4.

I'm actually glad it was canceled early. With Coto in charge, it would have quickly devolved into yet another woefully gay garbage trek.

>>79409909
What's with all the reposts?

>>79410032
Redditors. Their entire website is built on reposting, so they bring that attitude here.

Why do people claim it's in a different universe to TOS?

>>79410206
Because it's obviously in the post-First Contact timeline.

>>79410206
They don't?

But JJ Trek is in a different universe, and Enterprise is canon to both JJ and regular Trek.

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>>79410243
>post-First Contact timeline.
>he didn't pay attention in temporal mechanics class

>>79408563
ENT was my first Trek, so I fucking love it. Haven't seen it in a couple years though, waiting to watch it again at the end of my all-series trek. On TNG season 6 now (and it's not as good as TOS seasons 1-3 or TNG season 3-4)

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>>79410051
>responding to autistic faggotry

Actually, I'm more often accused of being /pol/.

Get with the program, numbnuts.

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>>79410470

Archer is best Captain.

Grabs borg and pulls out its borg tubes... commences killing it with his bare hands.

Archer is a real man... not a flaky faggot, a token gibsmedat, or self-entitled feminot like the rest of them.

>>79410051
>Redditors
some people just look for scapegoats. Your little online world is a garbage heap for the mentally ill and genetic dead-ends while also a playground for everyone else with a connection.

>>79410832
I like all the captains (except Janeway because I haven't seen Voyager yet but I expect great things) - Kirk isn't a memey douche like the recent flicks but a duty-bound tight-ass commander, Picard is a tight-ass diplomat nad kind of a nerd who loosens up a little, Sisko is space christ to a bunch of space poo in loos but also a good father and not afraid to get his hands dirty, Archer is like a goofy dad who seems capable of making the tough decisions when the time comes.

>>79410832
Kirk didn't have manic depression.

>>79410964
Kirk was on a comfy mission to explore deep space and put aliens in their place.

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>>79410962
>>79410964
>>79411105

Picard was a numale pussy. Kirk was a strutting princock, and a jew. Both had awesomely powerful vessels, and both already knew their way around the galaxy.

Archer had to make it or take it as he went along. He was more of a man than both of those guys.

>>79411105
>comfy
Anon every episode seeks to reinforce that space is full of existential horror and salt vampires. Early TOS is a horror series set in space.

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>>79410962
Voyager was a super gay hagfest populated by a shipload of sniveling whiners subservient to an annoyingly preachy feminist incompetent who suffered from chronic psychosexual penis envy.

>>79408563
Theme sucked.

The fact that the time traveling shit was central to the entire series is shit. I understand time travel is a common thing in all the series but everything was tied to it. Just so tiresome.

Voyager was mine. When it's bad it's bad but there were great moments. Loved certain characters. I liked Janeway. Deal with it.

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>>79410962
NigTrek9 was a boring soap opera with a bunch of unlikeable characters, feminists everywhere, a token nig commander, and way too many space jews.

>>79411269
The best part is not everyone got along.

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>>79411245
>Theme sucked.
DETLE THIS!

>>79411332
Fucking Rod Stewart.

Fucking $10.99 CD infomercial tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxB349lLgPo

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>>79411245
Enterprise was the very best Star Trek series ever produced.

It was Star Trek done right.

No faggots.
No feminism
No PC
Less technobabble
More realism
More character
Interesting aliens
Solid storytelling

Trektards hate it because it isn't gay enough.

>>79410832
>>79411150
>>79411212
>>79411269
What's with all the reposts?

>>79411150
awful pasta, what happened to the Dukat did nothing wrong friendly reminder?
>>79411210
Still comfy
>>79411212
Jesus, you guys really miss the point of Star Trek, huh? In the future we can transcend our differences and come together to accomplish great things - the future, the Undiscovered Country
>>79411245
Theme was dope in the first two seasons, but the time travel shit was awful so I'll give you that.
>>79411269
Soap opera, yeah, eventually - and space christ shit got old but serviced the plot so I give it a pass.
Also had best Lwaxana, best Spock-clone, best space jews, best Klingons outside of Star Trek III.

>>79411395
I would disagree. If you want Trek done right then it's stuff done while Gene was alive. Everything afterward he likely would have never approved liked DS9.

>>79411576
Why are you responding seriously to copypasta?

>>79411837

Isn't everything copypasta though, what's truly original?

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>>79411576
Roddenberry was a womanizing, card-carrying commie who stole most of his ideas from others and repackaged them in order to seek personal enrichment by selling them as his own for barrels of hollyweird jewbucks.

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>>79409476
>when the shills show you their bait before casting the line

My cheeks are now open for every Tellarite in the quadrant. Thanks cultural roddenberryism.

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>>79411940
The thing is tho... it's MY pasta.

So I can copy it if I want.

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>>79409729
>Terra Prime was fantastic. As far as I'm concerned, the finale was non-canon.
>Trip and T'Pol married and tried again, and lived together forever.

Thanks for being me, lad.

I've always said those things about Enterprise and that the show came to soon, started out of the gates way too slow and just was a victim of bad timing. A prequel during the 9/11 era doesn't necessarily fit but the pilot aired literally a day or two before the towers fell.

>>79412727
>that time Soval referred to Shran as 'the eternal ando'
Keks my sheks every time

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>>79410689
>Get with the program, numbnuts
>not "trektards"

Dropping the ball lately, Pakled.

>>79412248
Forbidden Planet is one of the criminally underrated sci-fi stories of all time. Surprised no one ever talks about it in these threads.

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>>79412780
I was always under the impression that Archer was racist towards the Vulcans before T'Pol became a permanent member of his crew and not just an "observer".

Gary Graham was phenomenal as Soval. Jolene I also thought grew into a great female Vulcan (read: Vulcans with a little more of themselves on their sleeves). I enjoyed the Vulcan subplots the most from the first and second seasons.

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>>79412727
The first episode actually aired on September 26, 2001. Over two weeks after 911.

But yeah, it was close.

>>79412928
Well duh
He's always talking about how they kept his dad down and his dad would have lived to see Warp 5 become a reality if not for the vulcan man keeping humans down.
I thought Soval's growing friendship with Admiral Forrest to be a high point of the series, and when Forrest died protecting him it showed the vulcans what humans really had in them.
Wasn't Soval the father of Sarek btw?

Enterprise is far from being garbage, and was quite enjoyable.

Not the best Trek for me, but I wouldn't fault anyone for liking it it.

Def not as bad as the blatant Babylon 5 ripoff DS9 shit.

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>>79412859
I agree. It was phenomenal. Great story. Great visuals. Especially for it's time.

Roddenbery also stole a few elements from the Twilight Zone, but right now I can't remember what the were. I always recognize them when I see them, tho.

Enterprise suffered from the worst case of love it or hate it I've ever seen

but it gave based Combs some steady work and I'm thankful for that atleast

>>79413301
Would Forbidden Planet qualify as "Lovecraftian"?
"The Evils From The Id"?

I really gotta' watch it again in HD, that screenshot reminded how ahead of it's time the concepts were.

>>79408563
Enterprise is GOAT, but some people here don't like it. I don't understand why. The last season is the best as well, so I don't even know where you're coming from.

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>>79412951
Or, wait...
>19 June 2001: Final day of principle photography, with four scenes filmed on location in Malibu
>10 September 2001: First day of recording on the episode's score at Paramount Stage M, conducted by Dennis McCarthy
>11 September 2001: Despite two large-scale terrorist attacks that take place in the USA on this day, Dennis McCarthy and the orchestra elect to continue recording on the score at Paramount Stage M, rather than postpone the session

Yeah, so I was wrong but the entire episode had finished filming and only the music was undone by the time the twin towers fell.

>>79413106
>Wasn't Soval the father of Sarek btw?

Which Sarek? Dark Ages Sarek or Spock's Sarek?

Neither on both accounts though

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>>79413109
>Def not as bad as the blatant Babylon 5 ripoff DS9 shit.

nigga you gotta be kiddin me, the show was a hit!

>>79413109
people still pissy DS9 shit on Roddenberry's dream?

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>>79413339
>Would Forbidden Planet qualify as "Lovecraftian"?

Pretty much. Yeah. I'd call it that.

Also, when you watch it again, take note of how more than a few aspects of their ship design actually seem to resemble the original Star Trek Enterprise a little too closely for it to solely be a coincidence.

>>79413576

That was awesome how they used the overlay matte paintings better than any episode of TNG to create the illusion that you were looking down into the crust of the planet at the giant engine they used.

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>>79413357

The 4th season was full of stinkers. It did have a few good eps/arcs, but once they hired Coto, it started noticeably, but steadily devolving into the same-old, same-old garbage trek.

>>79410206
Because of contradictions. Honestly all of it could explained differently, but universe explanation is universal.

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THIS IS NOW AN ENTERPRISE THREAD:

THE VULCAN INCENSE HAS BEEN LIT AND WE JUST LEFT STARBASE

THIS IS YOUR DAILY REMINDER TO LUBE UP YOUR BEAGLES, POLARIZE YOUR HULL PLATING, AND HEAT UP YOUR DECON CHAMBERS TO SKIN TEMP (308.65 K)
THE CHEESE HAS BEEN SLIT AND IT'S TIME TO SLAM YOUR PLOMEK BROTH, TAKE A TOKE & MARK OFF YOUR CHECKLIST
TO POP YOUR:

STARFLEET RATIONS
ANDORRIAN ALE (VINTAGE 2125)
CORDRAZINE HYPOSPRAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8OpsPok6iQ <---- HIT PLAY PETAQ!

>FAITH OF THE HEART BLASTS THROUGH YOUR HOUSE
>YOU INSTINCTIVELY JUMP INTO YOUR GRAVITY PLATED BASKETBALL COURT AND GYM, FITTED WITH WATER POLO POOL AND A PON FARR BATTLE CAGE
>AFTER YOUR INTENSE WORKOUT YOU CALL OVER ADMIRAL FORREST USING SUBSPACE BEFORE GETTING INTO YOUR HYPERSLEEP EXPANSE STASIS BIOBEDS AND PACKING YOUR MOUTH TO THE BRIM WITH TRIP'S FLORIDA FRESH PECAN PIE FOLLOWED SHORTLY AFTERWARDS BY ALDEBERAN MUD LEECH ENEMAS JUST AS THE TRELLIUM-D KICKS IN AS YOU LISTEN TO ZEPHRAM COCHRANE AND ADMIRAL GARDENER HYPOTHESIZE THAT THE BORG = ALIENS AND THE ARK OF THE COVENANT IS HIDDEN ON TAU CETI
DUDE AWW SHUCKS LMAO
DUDE PHASED ION CANNONS LITERALLY ENCRUSTED WITH TRITANIUM AND DUNKED IN OSMIUM ALLOY FIRING OFF OF THE SAUCER SECTION COLONEL GREEN STYLE
>"AMBASSADOR SOVAL, JUST END IT ALL, I THINK YOU ARE A WORTHLESS VULCAN AND I HATE YOU, BUT COME BACK ON SUBSPACECAST SO I CAN BLOW YOU THE FUCK OUT OF THE QUADRANT YET AGAIN AND REDUCE YOU TO GREEN JELLY"
>"TUH POL” BEARER, JUST TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT. YOUR MAPS ARE OVER. IT'S TIME FOR THE PHASER OVERLOAD RETIREMENT PLAN"
Johnathan Archer, 2015
>YOU ARE NOW PICTURING CAPTAIN ARCHER NAKED ON TOROTHAS PLAYING GESKANA AND HYPERVENTILATING IN THE DESERT
Brought to you by B&B Productions©
cue the Perfect Strangers theme

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>>79413411

Well, we can forgive you this time since you came back heavy, but...

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>>79414004
>>79414051

Um... hate to break it to you, Chauncy, but it was always an Enterprise thread.

Pay attention.

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>>79413857
Forgot pic

>>79414162
I hate this episode. I can't stand little bitches. Like in Blair Witch. Suck it up and die well.

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>Executive Producer
>Rick Berman

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Based NX-01 Destroys a Borg Ship.

>>79410832
eh.

I'm most of the way through S2 right now and archers characterization seems shaky at times. In the end he always ends up being right because it's fucking Star Trek but some of his decisions seem to me a little more deus ex machina than logical for his character. It's nothing major but sometimes it really drags me out of the moment. Good series though, I really like the interactions between High Command and Starfleet. T'pols super dry wise cracking is a nice touch. She does a great job and gives off some real Spock vibes. I thought it was at errible theme song. But I've come a long way.

>>79411269
Yeah but are the space zealots ever anything but retarded? Are the real space jews anything but underhanded tricksters who subvert other cultures from within? Do the feminists always get BTFO? It was pretty great IMO and for star trek, """red pilled""" as fuck. The real lesson of DS9 is that Cardassia did nothing wrong and O'brien had a hard life. Oh and mirror Jadziah is hot as fuck.

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>>79414513
>it's a slave auction episode

>>79414337
Notice, however, those futuristic frosted light bulbs, tho, lol.

>>79414593
That was queer.

I blame that fag, Data.

Yeah. And Coto, too.

>>79414162
Malcolm is my favourite character by so far.
He just wants to get things done. He's the voice of me yelling at my screen to just FUCKING SHOOT THE ENERGY GHOST. His whole fatalist thing is great. He just wants to go down like a brave stoic bong officer while simultaneously gushing about it.
Nothing ever goes right for him without getting to O'brien tiers of almost comic misery.

Trip meanwhile just seems to walk around ballsing things up into working and falling into alien pussy.

The one time Malcolm tries to get some sweet alien 'tang it's a trap and he gets locked in a basement for days.

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>>79414613

Well they made up for it by casting Leslie Nielsen and the guy who played Rojan from TOS' "By Any Other Name".

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>>79414667

I like him, too. Interesting character. Seeing his parents, it was easier to understand how he ticks.

He got more merit badges than Archer, and although he never really got on with T'Pol, at least he boned Ruby before Tucker did.

The show is surprisingly ok despite having one of the worst casts in Star Trek history. Trip is arguably the only likeable character in the whole show. Also the temporal cold war shit was retarded.

>>79415005

Last I checked Odo was on DSP, not Enterprise.

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>>79412727
>lad
>laddie
>laddiebuck

Is it still 'talk like a pirate' day on your island

>>79413339
>Would Forbidden Planet qualify as "Lovecraftian"?
It's literally The Tempest. By Shakespeare.

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>>79414970

I think it was a great cast. And Tucker was my favorite. Probably because we have a lot in common..

>>79415029
Leave the Somali alone.

>>79415085
I liked Travis, and wish they would have developed him a little more beyond his two episodes.
In all of fucking star trek if the cast isn't a token alien, they're all from earth, with the exception of Rape Gangs. But I like the idea of colonists and spacers being in the early starfleet.

>>79415085

Archer is a schizophrenic jerk.
T'Pol is a boring as bitch
Malcolm is a stuck up depressing ass
Literally no one remembers Mayweather
Sato is a diversity hire because they needed a retard in the crew
>(((Phlox)))

So that leaves us with two good characters, Trip and Porthos.

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>>79413339
No Forbidden Planet isn't Lovecraftian it's a sci-fi adaptation of William Shakespeare's "The Tempest". Lovecraftian is existential terror at the realization of humanity's insignificance on a cosmic scale, The Tempest is about the mystical being replaced with a "brave new world" of science.

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>>79415186
>talking shit about best doc
>mfw

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>>79415159
I really liked this one, and kida wished they would have taken her with them, but I understood that doing so would probably have tied her too closely to Archer, and more or less ruined the game. Well, they could have somehow lost, or reassigned her later on, which could have been interesting, but still.

>>79415375

I'd rather have a whole show of the Andy Dick hologram doctor than Phlox.

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>>79415418
My osmotic eel should help cleanse your system of all that pleb.

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This is the worst Star Trek thread I've seen since last night where two people argued for 250 posts about Islam in a Star Trek Discovery thread.

>>79415342

You posted a smug picture like I was using Lovecraftian authoritatively. That's why I asked.

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This guy agreed it is >>79413576 so I'm telling you both, it's not.

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ENT > VOY

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>>79415159
One of my favorite aliens in the series was the Xindi, Gralik Durr. His interactions with Archer was one of the high points of season 3. A very powerful prformance.

Picard > Kirk > Janeway > Sisko > Archer

>>79415653

Well that's a really low bar to set.

>>79415653
that's not in dispute it's just that every Star Trek series other than VOY > ENT

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>>79415641

I never agreed it was so start explaining why Lovecraft elements are not represented through the Monsters of the Id.

Only you are upset about this but yet you offer no reasons so you are dismissed until further notice...

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>>79415536
Set course for DIVERSITY

>>79415653
I lost respect for Hoshi after that.

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>>79415536
But at least we know now that they aren't Klingons.

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ENT finishes up a great Xindi arc with Archer randomly going back in time to space alien nazis.

>>79415734

Why did you ever have respect for that down syndrome tard?

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>no mirror universe TNG

>>79415685
I fucking told you here >>79415342

>Lovecraftian is existential terror at the realization of humanity's insignificance on a cosmic scale, The Tempest is about the mystical being replaced with a "brave new world" of science.

The monster of Id isn't some giant ancient comparatively to man, god-like alien such as Cthulhu or Azathoth that cause mental breakdowns in people when they gleen their existence. It was just a manifestation of subconscious hostility given form by a scientific machine. It has nothing to do with Lovecraftian themes.

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>>79415675

The guy who played Durr also played the Klingon from "The Chase" on TNG and was a mirror universe Klingon on DS9.

That guy was awesome.

>

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>>79415777
>mirror Troi

my dick would be diamonds

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>>79415735
That's just them doing damage control at CBS's behest due to the fan backlash. They would know what they're acting as so if it was some other species they would have said so specifically or just "alien" instead of Klingon.

>>79415783
>The monster of Id isn't some giant ancient comparatively to man, god-like alien such as Cthulhu or Azathoth that cause mental breakdowns in people when they gleen their existence. It was just a manifestation of subconscious hostility given form by a scientific machine

To my knowledge, this isn't Lovecraftian as all attempts are to give some glimpsing form of an unknowable horror like in The Thing or the other adaptations.

You are being too literal to the Cthulhu mythos when people use that term.

>>79415851
Sure thing, buddy, sure thing. Whatever you need to force yourself to believe in order to keep your hateboner raging.

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>>79415749
Yeah, well, aside from some wonderful visuals of a shuttle being attacked by WWII fighters, and the NX-01 flying low over Manhattan, it presented a truly god-awful propaganda story about stereotypical, cartoonish "Nazis" doing stereotypical, cartoonish "Nazi" things, and topping it of with Bobby Baccalieri acting very poorly like a "tough guy" named "Carmine" with a "little sister" who is a moulinyan.

Waddya expect from Coto?

At least we go this little gem out of it:

https://youtu.be/xeDOe0kZDhk

Pure kino.

>>79415867
No you're being too literal when I say existential terror on a cosmic scale it could be about anything that shows how puny humanity is but >>79415685 asked for direct comparisons between Lovecraftian themes and the Monster of Id.

>>79415933
Fuck. You're right. My bad.

>>79415851
Look 99% of people only know Klingons and Vulcans from Star Trek. He probably thought they were just from a cursory knowledge of the show

>>79415933
Yes the Monster of Id is in fact the OPPOSITE of Lovecraftian because rather than expose humanity's insignificance it re-enforces the strength of humanity's power.

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>>79415930
Woke up this mor-nin'...
GOT YOURSELF A PHASER!

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>>79415902
>>79416002
oh well then does this piece os concept art from Star Trek Discovery labeled "Klingon Captain" that looks pretty much like the Instagram image convince you then?

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>>79415807
Another favorite alien of mine was the Xindi, Degra, the builder of the superweapon, and Strategem was one of the best eps of season 3.

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>>79410689

This picture reminded me.

That planet in the Delphic Expanse has a virus that transmutes Archer, Hoshi, and Malcolm into these Frog-Humanoid hybrids.
And so there they are bouncing around like angry frogs.
And Archer's name became Loque-eque (literally Loh-KEK)

Was Enterprise redpilled?

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>>79416218
The guy who plays him is a great and underrated Star Trek character actor who played in DS9's "The Darkness and the Light".

The Xindi wouldn't have worked without his execution of Degra. The reptilian was a little over the top but I thought he at least made the race seem very real / corporeal. I think that character was called Dolan.

>>79416166
Convince? No. I acknowledge the possibility that he's lying, but I'm going to continue operating under the assumption that he's telling the truth.

No skin off my back either way, but at least I don't stress myself out fretting over makeup changes in a cheapo online webseries.

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>>79416302
or them giving Klingons in that concept art >>79416166 Tentacle hands and Dr. Zoidberg feet?

>>79416249
>Was Enterprise redpilled?

Yes. It certainly was.

See picrelated: >>79412727

https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2013/07/04/judaic-behaviorthemes-in-star-trek-enterprise/

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>>79416301

I was only able to actually enjoy the show and absorb all of that after it came out on dvd.

The truly bad thing about Enterprise in its first run was the ridiculous number of incessant, hawking, annoying adverts which, even in season 1 made the storyline difficult to impossible to follow. But then UPN went so far as to increase the playback speed of season 2 by 5%, season 3 by 10%, and season 4 by 15%, all in order to put more ridiculous, hawking commercials into the hour, as if the show wasn't already rendered hard to watch by the excessive number of ads they squeezed into season 1.

You can demonstrate this trick by playing the show with VLC, and setting the playback speed manually. When you slow each season down at the rates I stated above, you'll see the show as it was originally filmed, where the action and timing of the dialog becomes noticably more natural.

Even so, season 4 was still the worst, because that is where it began to actually devolve into something more similar to the garbage treks which preceded it.

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>>79416372
The Klingoffs have been restructured and retconned more times than the Borg so it makes sense that they'd do it again.

It's practically canon that the Klingons evolve every century.

>>79416166
That's actually concept art for TMP back in '78

>>79415811
underrated dubs

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>>79412248
The Forbidden Planet didnt have teleportation as far as I remember. It was for some decceleration or something.
>>79412859
>>79413301
I agree. The settings really did it for me and they were exactly as I would imagine the future (be it on another world or not). Also I was surprised to see Leslie Nielsen in it. I love his slapstick movies but he, and the others, did well in Forbidden Planet. Also the Krell was very Isaac Asimov-ish which was great. Furthermore pic related looks like that one Halo multiplayer map

>>79411245
Fun Fact: Archer's Theme was originally supposed to be the theme for the title sequence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zuObd_gSKw

Also OP, the last few episodes were a shitshow because the series was canned abruptly.

>>79416915
hat is correect. They weren't transporters, but one has to admit the similarities in design and imagery.

Gas Enterprise fans, they aren't Star Trek fans

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>>79416888
That's not what the turbo autists at Trekayrds said and if anyone would know, it would be them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FCaRwfspik

skip to 21:45 when they bring up the concept art. So it looks like you wasted trips and may be a CBS shill trying to damage control.

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TNG > All other Trek

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>>79417159
>t. pink skin

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>>79414667
>>79414891
Are you guys serious? I've just rewatched the first two seasons, and these are his contributions:

>whining
>constant whining
>constant offers to unnecessarily commit suicide
>not noticing that the ship was driving into a minefield
>having absolutely 0 interests or passions
>failing to disarm a mine that was attached to the ship
>getting himself stuck to the mine so that the captain has to risk his ass to save him
>more whining and offers to commit suicide

I mean holy shit this cunt does nothing except bitch about his family disowning him. He's my least favourite character by far. Archer, T'Pol, Trip and Phlox are good, and Hoshi has her moments, but Reed and Mayweather are complete butt stuff.

>>79414400

Rodenberry was even hornier.

>>79416646
>this guy thinks that Enterprise season 4 has been sped up by 15%

I think I'd have noticed that senpai

>>79417166
>everyone is a shill
>everything is damage control
For goodness' sake, give it a rest already.

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>>79417192
>TNG - More queer than all other Trek

Fixed that for you.

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>>79417293
as soon as you stop trying to bend over backwards to deny that Discovery is fucking up on every level which no one except someone paid to shill damage control over its missteps like you are yourself doing, would deny.

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>>79417290
Ain't my fault if you're deaf, blind and stupid.

Malcom's a gay dude who's trying to pass as straight right?

>>79417324
Lol you think TNG is more queer than any other Trek?

>>79417399
Dude seemed pretty upset when he found out he didn't pair off with anyone when they found the old Enterprise from the future with their kids on it.

>>79417399
He's not even a human being. Human beings have things they want to do, things they want to achieve. Malcom has no drive.

I guess some people on /tv/ like him because he's a total creep, with a creepy fucking grimace instead of a smile and the hint of underlying perversions.

>>79417399

No he's just a miserable cunt.

>>79417417
Yeah. It is.

>>79408845
DS9 is my favorite but the one thing I agree with the anti-DS9 memers here is that it ruined the mirror universe.

>>79417452
>more queer than DS9 which had actual lesbian kissing

>>79417389
>Discovery is fucking up on every level
Discovery is fucking up on some levels but succeeding on others. Why do you deny this?

Is your life empty without this mindless hatred?

>>79417324
it had more episodes about heterosexual garbage than any other series, what the fuck

>>79417462
Way too many mirror universe episodes

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>>79408563
the last episode is universally hated Brandon Braga even publicly apologised to the cast for it . it was also painful for all the actors involved Jonathan Frakes didn't want to go through with it half way through filming or some shit everyone hates it op

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>>79417472
Yeah. It is.

I'm actually watching S2 right now while T'pol is lusting after Phloxs denobudick

>>79417222
You gotta view him through O'Brien vision.

>perhaps I will call it Reed Alert.

It's fucking brilliant. He just wants to be like his uncle and other famous historical bong officers. He'd have gladly charged with the light brigade or gone over the top at the somme. But he misses the point and is almost doing it for his own sake.
Maybe you've got to be a bong to appreciate his borderline comical take on the stoic duty bound stiff upper lip. He's not an explorer, he's basically LARPing a military man. But for all I've said shitting on him, it's actually pretty endearing and he always puts the mission first.

Malcolm is a top tier character.

Archer is borderline schizophrenic at times. T'pol is really great. Trip a shit, he's a mary sue. Phlox is good. Hoshi is just very flat.

>>79417489
>>79417389
I haven't followed Discovery, but it sounds like shit because Bryan Fuller left and he knows how to make a TV show. Feel free to tell me why I should look forward to it.

>>79417493
That and
>What is the most interesting thing about the mirror universe and pretty much entire point of its existence?
>The Terran Empire?
>Yeah, let's get rid of that.

>new series is announced
>now everyone loves ENT

yeah, nah, fuck you all
disgusting tryhards

>>79417500
>shitty fanart

gonna have to do better than that pleb

>>79417507
I'm Australian and I appreciate all of those things, but to me it comes off as an American attempt to imitate English traditions on a shallow level without really understanding them. He doesn't merely want to go down with the ship when it's appropriate, he's literally always trying to kill himself for one reason or other.

I agree that Archer is inconsistent, and with the other characters you mentioned, but I don't agree that Trip is a Mary Sue. I always got the feeling that his ass was covered by his best friend being the Captain and his lover being the First Officer.

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>>79417462
>DS9 is my favorite but the one thing I agree with the anti-DS9 memers here is that it ruined the mirror universe.

1 fucking hundred percent.
I didn't like a single one of the mirror episodes on DS9 because they were way too far camp with little to know other elements in between.
I still think In a Mirror Darkly is the absolute best mirror universe showing because we get bombast, comedy, heroism, anti-heroism, all the tropes (and done right), including some RARE aliens (including classic ones like the Gorn).

It wasn't meant to be taken too seriously but the atmosphere was just right to pull off everything above with flying colors.

Mirror Archer's delusion is still one of my favorite moments from the series.

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>>79417489
>put the writer of the Lost in Space movie in charge
>ship designs inconsistent with what we know tech to be at that time
>alien ships inconsistent now look like WH40k
>have the Enterprise mission patch on their uniforms decades before it was widely adopted by Starfleet
>alien designs retconned
>religious humans

What have they done which sounds right to you so far?

>>79417518
Official True Facts Copypasta for Star Trek: Discovery [version 0.9.1]

The Good
>created by Bryan Fuller
>Rod "my father is a shitbag" Roddenberry producing
>Nicholas Meyer (Star Treks II, IV and VI) in the writers' room
>Joe Menosky (Darmok and other classics) in the writers' room
>Doug Jones as a science officer on the USS Discovery
>Anthony Rapp as another science officer on the USS Discovery
>Michelle Yeoh as a recurring character and the captain of another ship, the USS Shenzhou
>airing on Netflix worldwide (except in America and Canada)

The Neutral
>Sonequa Martin-Green as the executive officer (and lead character) of the USS Discovery
>James Frain as Young Sarek
>Emily Coutts piloting the USS Discovery [UNCONFIRMED]
>Terry Serpico as a Starfleet Admiral
>Maulik Pancholy and Sam Vartholomeos as recurring characters on the USS Shenzhou
>some Klingons on another ship are recurring characters
>TOS era

The Bad
>Bryan Fuller has left, saying "I’m not involved in production, or postproduction"
>Alex Kurtzman producing
>Akiva Goldsman producing
>first episode on TV, then all subsequent episodes only on CBS All Access (in America)
>a fucking prequel

That's it. That's all we know. Everything else is rumors and guesses.

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>>79417542
Here ya go... Faggot.

>>79417608
oops forgot
>put it behind a CBS streaming service paywall no one has or wants

>>79417611
>more queer than lesbian kissing

Nah. Still waiting.

>>79417608
See >>79417610 and explain to me how every single item in "The Good" is actually a fuck up.

Explain every single one, or fuck off.

>>79417608
>OMG IT'S CHANGING THINGS!
>BUT ENT IS FINE THO!

kys

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>>79417610
add my points to the revised edition >>79417608
>>79417631

>>79417677
Am I tripping on acid looking at this ting?

>>79417462
I think the first maybe second mirror eps were the only good ones. The last one flat out doesn't make sense

>we need to steal the plans to the defiant because of its cloaking tech even though we already have that

I think the rebels winning in the first ep was a mistake because it seemed like they had no story after that.

>>79417611
>futuristic scottish kilt is queer

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>>79417653
I never said ENT is fine. Fuck that show for rretconning another ship named Enterprise in that no one had ever mentioned in the later set series and was somehow omitted in the Enterprise-D's wall relief when it managed to include the aircraft carrier.

>>79417634
Women aren't gay... even if they lick puss.
Women don't count because women will have sex with just about anything. It's in their nature. They hare useless brains, and are just naturally weird.

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>>79417507
>Trip a shit,

Look son, a wild contrarian!

>>79417734
>Fuck that show
>It doesn't matter if a show is good, all that matters is that it's consistent with the little unimportant details of MUH CANON!
Opinions disregarded.

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>>79417690
maybe, but apparently the Klingons have taken an interest in ship design from the Warhammer 40K universe. Here's the bridge.

>>79417734
>autistic screeching

>>79417777
fuck off shitposter

>>79417734
I hate that it's called Enterprise. In fact, the first two seasons aren't even called Star Trek: Enterprise, they're just Enterprise. It's like scorning Star Trek to get new fans, but trading off the Enterprise brand anyway. I don't even know what they were thinking.

But I'm not going to dislike the show just because the ship name is something I don't like.

>>79417690
WTF DID YOU DO TO ME, MY BRAIN IS ALL FUCKED UP NOW AFTER HAVING SEEN THAT

I'M SEIZING

>>79417784

>Klingon BattleCruiser Escher reporting for duty!

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>>79417777
It's not good anon, it's fucking stupid. When they could have been doing interesting plots about first contact with known alien species from the later set shows or development of series staple tech they had episodes like "sexual tension, how will the crew of enterprise deal with their mounting sexual tension?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night_in_Sickbay
as if the best of the best of humanity sent out on their first exploratory/diplomatic mission to the stars wouldn't already be trained to deal with that. ENT was fucking stupid stupid stupid.

>>79417707
>futuristic girly skirt is queer

Correct.

>>79417565
>but to me it comes off as an American attempt to imitate English traditions on a shallow level without really understanding them.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I think that's the essence of his character. I think it's intentional that he is totally missing the point. I imagine the actual in universe Royal Navy is somewhat watered down from these ideals he aspires to and he's a further step removed.

>>79417891

Trektards hate it because it isn't gay enough.

>>79417891
Enterprise was stupid-to-okay for the first two years and okay-to-good for the second two years.

Quit dawdling. You have had 15 years to catch up to everyone else.

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>>79417593
Mirror Jadziah tho.

so fine.

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>>79417952
>implying Jolene Blalock isn't a biological man and that they and (You) aren't all closet homos for lusting after him.

>>79417952
>>79417962
>I watched it when I was a kid! this makes it good lololl

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>>79418022
Every time you post this picture I will reposte with her on meth with Edward Furlong.

>>79418032
So can you explain why seasons 3 and 4 are bad? Or did you never get around to watching them?

>>79418062
how much temporal cold war nonsense is there in those seasons?

>>79417891
The scenes in your pic were actually quite rare, with men and women sharing the decon room only one or two times per season. Notably, the more exploitative scenes usually occur in season openers (decon in season 1, topless hoshi in season 2, for example).

A Night in Sickbay is a great episode desu, we get to see more of Archer and Phlox and Porthos, and deal with a strange alien culture at the same time. The sexual tension thing is resolved simply by being aware of it, and though it does get a bit stupid when he makes a Freudian slip or two it's not heinous, just eye-rolly. There are plenty of moments like that in season 1 of TNG.

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Such a top model

>>79418062
not wasting time with drones, it's not like you would change your mind
just keep shitposting

>>79417677
>>79417784
But why

>>79418086
Almost none, the Temporal Cold War is mostly a season 1 arc, with bits in season 2. I think it's mentioned a couple of times in season 3, but aside from Storm Front that's it.

>>79418022

going on certain drugs can change the body weight ratio of your body dramatically and it looks like she is trying a cleanse, workout nuts do similar things.

She's always been a surfer so she probably had a much lower body fat count to begin with and plastic surgery didn't help.

She was older when show started and like a lot of women in hollywood, did shit to try and fix it.

Attacking her past her prime seems a little cruel in this case considering how good she did look before so.

Also from my understanding they're shots of that same set that look much better.

Everyone gets older anon.

>>79418086
In season 4, very little. After the opening two-parter, they ignore the TCW entirely.

>>79418089
no that's the actual plot to a Night in Sickbay

>During the night, as he dreams of Porthos' funeral, Archer also deals with unresolved and suppressed sexual tension with T'Pol

the part in quotations I posted in what you were replying to was taken verbatim from the ad ran on TV about that episode.

>>79418134
Not that guy, and I think she's sort of attractive, but I'm very put off by her terrible botox lips that don't move when she speaks, especially in season 1 when she's still learning how to act. I wish she'd had one fewer injection on her lower lip.

>>79418022
>>79418051
>>79418096

I blame the finale for her downfall.
And I'll bet that actually played a big part in it.

>>79418147
>the ad is what the episode is about and has nothing to do with pandering to normies to get them to watch Star Track

M8 I watched the episode literally on Saturday, the sexual tension stuff takes up a couple of minutes at most, and is always happening at the same time as other stuff (eg, conversation while dealing with Phlox's pets, or a diplomatic incident report).

The vast majority of the episode is watching Archer struggle to deal with the potential loss of his pet, having to shit on his pride, and come to terms with having to apologise again to the aliens.

>>79418152

On one hand I like larger breasts, but I don't know, as I get older, I'm more and more siding with women not getting breast enhancements.

Though I doubt she would have gotten the part if she wasn't a lithe, petite chick with comically large tits.

I mean lets face it, appearance is all difference in these kinds of things.

I think her look was softened a lot by season 4, so it washed out a little better.

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>>79418134
>Everyone gets older anon.
High School girls stay the same age.

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>>79418154
She went from top model-actor to AI gf to viscera in a good 10 year period.
Father time abuses all his children.

>>79418196
I wouldn't mind if she had smaller tits, but Hoshi already has those so it wasn't a niche that needed to be filled on Enterprise. T'Pol never got them out so really it didn't look that bad on Enterprise, and only looks bad now but who cares because Enterprise isn't running anymore.

They definitely softened her look over the course of the seasons. Her wig or hairdo or whatever in season 1 looks fucking retarded and is way too tall, but they fix it up by season 2.

>>79418208

considering how much work him and other male stars get on their hair, I always love hypocrisy but you're right anon, touche.

>>79417766
With the addendum that I've only seen the first 2 seasons.

I feel trip, while he has a sort of charming likeabilty to his character, he isn't that great. That's the depth of it, he quips and fixes shit. He continually makes shit calls and then turns around to perform a technobabble-deus-ex-machina and pull off nearly anything when he needs to. Or he'll almost appear to sit on his hands until the last second he turns a screw and saves the ship but that's more of an issue with the writing than characterization. He just seems to fall into situations then pull them off without a hitch and bang an alien princess on the way through. I get Starfleet engineers are demi omnipotent space wizards who make warp drives from toasters but it doesn't mesh well to have the Scotty-Sue with the rest of the shows more grounded perspective.

He just rubs me the wrong way I guess.

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>>79418187
>Enterprise ratings are tanking, what should we do?!
>write better scripts?
>nah I got it, dress the Vulcan in a sexier outfit!

try again chum.

>>79418265

>only seen first, 2 seasons
>talks shit about trip

Get out knee grow and go watch seasons 3 and 4.

You literally skipped the part everyone that has seen it compliments the show about. Do not use ignorance as a defense.

>>79417891
>half naked, sweaty and horny vulcan woman running all over the ship looking for some dick

>>79418288

I mean despite the romance scenes she was bothered by in season 3, I think the pay off at end of season 3 and season 4 wouldn't have happened without it. So they added some fanservicing but then they pulled it back. So in the end felt like it worked out actually. You need to see relationships to feel the pay off.

>>79418132
Technically the temporal cold war thing is integral to the xindi arc but it's actually kind of used well there. I hope a future show revisits the sphere builders desu.

>>79418288
IT WORKED FOR VOYAGER

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>>79418310
that only happens once every seven years during the pon farr.

>>79418288
That was a good idea though. She literally wears a grey carpet for most of the early seasons. When they go to the mining planet to rescue them from Klingong vassalage and she wears the white outfit, she looks much better. Also they do exactly the same thing with Seven in Voyager.

>>79418327
>the pay off
What pay off?

Their baby dies, they decide to never attempt a relationship ever again, and then he dies.

Thanks Rick, thanks Brannon.

>>79418134

Many such cases! Sad.

>>79418362
>Also they do exactly the same thing with Seven in Voyager.

Good to know they took ideas from the other best Star Trek series

/sarcasm

>>79418329

I thought the world building and look of sphere builders in future battles and their messing with timelines in a different realm is one of the more unique things that got pulled off well enough.

I think they should have made it harder to fight them but on the other end of it, they had to explain why they don't show up in later seasons of other series, so its a conundrum.

>We'll never get a TV Series set during the Motion Picture era of Trek
>Mainly because CBS doesn't even want to touch anything remotely related to the Kirk period.

>>79418292
I'm literally watching S02E25 right now.
I intend to, but I'm not gonna watch the last two seasons before the first two. As far as I've gotten, I feel the points are valid.

It's like saying the first season of DS9 isn't hammy because it gets good after. It's still hammy as fuck and Trip doesn't have a lot of depth in the first 2 seasons.

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>>79418310
>Captain, she's blowing all the men on deck 2
>POLARIZE THE HULL!
>She's bypassed condom dispensors
>*hits panel* DAMNIT! Archer to T'Pol, we've found a crewmember with a large enough penis to help you but we NEED you to stop raping everyone!
>Captain, she's transported to the Nausicaan ship, we're too late.

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not so fresh OC

good to see this place hasn't changed that much

>>79418376

Oh well, actually that isn't true.

it depends on what you consider canon though, considering michael took the script notes for season 5 and wrote the coalition-romulan war and ressurected trip under a different name, and a nod to his stargate atlantis character, Michael kenmoore. See his death is turned into a spy act by section 31 and he goes undercover to fight the romulans. Trip's character is in about ten different books that follow the storyline from end of season 4,and finale was so hated that he is only character ever brought back in a canon type way once an official show ended at least that's what it says on the alpha/beta wikis. So he's brought back and works behind romulan lines during the war, also helps contribute to Warp 7 engine. He ends up having a family with t'pol, a boy and a girl, they name their son lorian.

>>79418435

kek

>>79418448
>it depends on what you consider canon though
Stop right there, cadet. I have not yet reached your level of desperation.

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>>79418418
what? for the past ten years Star Trek has been circling arund the drain of TOS era. The movies obviously so and Discovery is supposed to take place only like 5 years before the pilot of Star Trek. But instead of getting some of the cool retro futuristic designs for ships from that era like found in Star Trek Online we're getting rejected designs from the Star Wars artist's recycling bin.

>>79418486
That ship design is an affront to god and man and everything we've ever fought and died for throughout history.

Delete the file.

>>79418448
I try not to read about what was going to happen in ENT s5 because it makes me so sad. Shran becoming a regular cast member is enough to make me want to bomb Paramount HQ.

>>79418482

I'm using existing material, I was prefacing because it depends on levels of canonocity that we're talking about.

Now that trek got raped by JJ, it depends largely on what you want, the books are official media, built as a ENT season 5 that we didn't get.

I never said it was perfect, but it was written in a vacuum of being stuck on a shit network that cancelled the show as it was just getting going.

>>79418498
it's a Star Destroyer wearing a sombrero, normies like star wars and taco Tuesdays right so Discovery is sure to be a hit!

>>79418517

Just thinking about all of the shran shenanigans we missed out on.

T'pol and Shran away missions.

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>>79418550
That was a totally stupid idea, and would have quickly become tiresome and annoying. Shran is best used, and way more interesting as a limited, but recurring role in episodes featuring him in command of other Andorians.

>>79418569

>He turns around as if studying something and just randomly tosses it behind himself, scoring every time.

They could have made a multi-season gag out of Phlox's skills.

>>79418550
>T'pol and Shran away missions.

Shran and Soval verbal sparring was best but if they made him a regular member what would he do? He was beloved by showing up at inoppurtune times and being a key element of canon-specific storylines, especially from the end of S3 and thorughout S4.

Just don't think it would make the character any better and it would further marginalize characters like Mayweather and Sato and Keating.

>>79418614

>Not wanting even more coombs in every facet to pull shran into interesting places.

Playing on his prejudices and exploring characters in untraditional settings is literally writing 101.

He was getting put on Enterprise in season 5 which is why you see these sentiments posted in ENT threads.

Shran was going to be on the ship's command crew kind of like t'pol as an advisor.

>>79418653
Still an insufferably stupid idea, for reasons already stated.

>dude the most panned and disliked series it's actually the best one

>>79418688
Most people are morons.
Is this news to you?

>>79418643

Honestly I just have to disagree, him being put in unfamiliar situations allowed the audience seem the actor chew best material on the show because he was the emotional counterweight, and his prejudices and paranoia allowed for a contextualization that finally gave archer some character growth, because it pitted him against someone who was also likable but allowed them both to open up in different ways.

That is what they would do with him. The Aenar episodes, he eventually gets an Aenar wife, so dealing with minority group on his own planet and all of that ties back into the backdrop of the war which is what season 5 was going to be about. A quandrant wide war with the Romulans. They would have had many opportunities to put Shran in best light possible since the idea was that the other allied partners had a major weakness to romulan tech, so they stay out of the war mostly and Earth takes the brunt of the attack.

Tellarite, Andorian and Vulcan tech are all stolen from eachother which created similar weaknesses to Romulan telecapture.

>>79418717
>everyone is stupid except me

yeah, keep believing that's the reason

>>79418688

>Every series of trek has a tribal following
>angry that the series that received the most hate had largest turnaround in the fanbase

hmm

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>>79418688
>dude the most panned and disliked series it's actually the best one

Reductio ad publica is not an argument.

>>79418736

-seem, see*

>>79418737
Equality is a myth.

>>79418751
glad to see you are admitting people are just doing it to be different

>>79417073
Some similarities indeed but not too alike since the ones in Forbidden Planet is for individual people and in Star Trek it is more of a room. The pistols however are way more similar but I dont think it is copy paste since I would assume it was the general vision of future weapons at the time

>>79418755
This coming from the people that can only defend ENT by saying that Picard was a cuck, Kirk was a jew, Janeway a feminist and Sisko a nigger.

Yeah, quality arguments right there. Here's another one: kill yourself.

>>79418806

Truth makes snowflakes melt.

>>79418736
Look, the only place we agree is that Combs is best whenever he's on the screen but too much of a certain type of character just takes away from their novelty and moves the main cast to the side.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with the other guy that Combs in any capacity would be better than most Mayweather threads but that would come at the expense of the Shran character's impact in the long run.

And I like your idea about causing a war with the Andorrians and Romulans but would you want an entire season? Half season? I can see no more than 3-4 episodes of that maybe but then you need another Andorrian plot line or else Combs is just sitting on the Enterprise taking orders? Shran was a commander and captain, he was an Ando Alpha.

>>79418806
>the people
It's just one person spamming that shit.

Everyone else is telling you that although it's not the best, it's also not the worst either.

Watch seasons 3 and 4 to see for yourself.

>>79418775

The difference is I never hate ENT, I just never liked the older series and as I got older, I got back into it through finishing ENT, and then going backwards, so. We just have fundamentally different outlooks.

I just mention the tribal fighting because DS9 and TNG are just shitposting threads when they're made which is why you end up having trek threads in the one thread that others don't hate as much because you don't have a stake in the fight.

I'm pointing out irony.

>>79418806
Picard wasn't a cuck at all.
Kirk was played by a Jew but hardly shared any negative qualities to Jews.
Janeway was psychopathic at times but hardly a feminist (unless you call her wanting to be addressed as Captain instead of ma'am feminist) and Sisko was Sisko.

It's just one autist who spams the Enterprise threads with what you typed.

>>79418869
>Watch seasons 3 and 4

This is what makes trektards tards.

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>>79418912
>>>/pol/

>>79418856

No, that is what they were planning, the script notes were being fleshed into a season wide war arc with the Romulans, those script ideas were then fashioned into books building an ENT season 5.

Some of their early ideas are what I stated up above.

It probably would have turned out slightly, different but you get the idea.

See you have to understand the reason why it works is Archer is promoted during the war to commodore, he's their fucking fleet commander too. So shran most likely would be in a similar situation that T'pol was in during season 3, since Andorian tech is suspetible to Romulan tech, they would seek to stay out of the major fighting for fear of their weaknesses being exposed.

So Shran being shran would break with andorian high command and go help archer since majority of the war, we get our asses beat.

Rommies have some fun tech that we never got to see on screen that makes me more sad than you will ever believe.

>>79418950

susceptible*

>>79418950
Seeing you treat cringey fanfic as canon makes me more sad than you will ever believe.

>>79418950
>I need a life.

>>79418987

More sad than watching JJ movies?

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>>79418943
Don't you have a blm rally to go to, or some trash cans to set on fire?

>>79418950
If they did a season wide Romulan arc I think the series would've died on the vine.
The last season was an ode to TOS practically and yet it still got canceled.
We needed half and half. Early beginnings of the Fed and new adventures, if intertwined and laced together to form a cohesive backdrop that would change the series.

>>79419070

I'm not sure how it would have been executed but that was what they were leading up to. They might have dragged it out for more than 1 season, allowing for more standalone episodes and other stuff so the series could breathe, maybe.

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>ywn get murdered by gonzo Zephram cochrane as you step out of your dope Italian space ship and throw a piece sign

hard to live with this one lads

>>79419113

>The Terran empire conquers all those pacifistic bitches.

Terran Empire was metal.

>>79418889
No she was a feminist because despite her irresponsibility getting them stuck in the delta quadrant she refused to take one for the team and bear Q's child. It's not like she'd even have to be pregnant he would just snap his fingers and done but nope, she preferred to let her crew be endangers for yet more years to come.

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>>79419223

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>>79419247
And then Archer Quantum leaped to the 23rd Century Nazi planet.

>>79414530
>The real lesson of DS9 is that Cardassia did nothing wrong

Really? I don't think it came off that way.

>it's a plot is resolved through captain's log episode

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>>79420323
Name one thing that Cardassia did wrong.

Actually, don't bother replying because I'm just going to disagree with whatever you say. I win.

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>>79420418

>>79420418
Well, I DO think they did nothing wrong, I'm just saying the writers clearly didn't have that intention on their minds, they were jews after all.

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>>79420469
>>79420482
Look like once again I win (and you lose) another Internet Argument, just like how Dukat won the Alpha Quadrant for the Cardassian people.

>>79420418
They wanted to be badass space fascists but became utter cucks to other, stronger space fascists, had their territory gifted away and their cities destroyed for attempting rebellion.

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>>79420717
I asked for one thing wrong and you gave me three things wrong. Clearly you cannot follow instructions, so you lose.

The Bajoran workers couldn't follow instructions either, and that's why Dukat had to punish them. He did nothing wrong though, so I win.

>>79420791

>got assblasted by formless goo
>winning

>>79420791
Sorry cuck. Can't hear you over the sound of dominion weapons blowing up your cities.

>>79420717
>Cardassians were WW2 Space Italy

well it makes sense I guess

>>79420791

Go hide in your negro ds9 thread fag, where you can lament about state of your shitty backwater empire that got fucked up by garbo pacifists.

>>79420850
You're as [triggered] as a Bajoran who just found out that Dukat fucked their mother (nothing wrong with that, by the way).

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>>79420791

>losing to men that wear dresses and are led by a famous surrender monkey.

>People actually believe Enterprise was good with its dreadful use of the cast

I was so tired of every episode being about Tripp and/or Archer.

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>>79420890

>>79420901
>complaining about space tunics

also he only surrendered once

>>79420938

>It's not gay if it only happens once

>That time the guy posted here in utter confusion as to what was going on in the Enterprise finale because he decided to watch all of Star Trek chronologically

Good stuff, I wish I had saved it

>>79421037
he surrendered to Q in the first episode after trying literally everything

he had children to save also

>first episode

>>79421037
>Get attacked by space gods, absolutely nothing any of the ship's weapons can do to them, can't escape them.
>This dumb fuck would prefer to to get blasted to pieces than offer surrender

>>79421126

>Loses the battle of wolf 359 so badly it reverberates across several series and is onus for entire series negative outlook of picard
>spacegods

>>79421142
what, Picard won that battle

it's the rest of the Federation that lost including Sisko

>>79421095
>>79421126

>loses in easily winnable situations
>shitbag feminist defeats two invincible species with her arms tied behind her back and looking like a knockoff gecko.

>>79421142
Fuck are you talking about? Picard didn't surrender to the borg at wolf 359, he got abducted by them.

The surrender everyone is talking about is to the Q continuum (aka spacegods) in Encounter at Farpoint.

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>>79408563
I think Season 3 and 4 were pretty good.
They had to finish up the series when it suddenly got cancelled and the writers didn't account for that possibility, so the end was quite shitty.

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>>79421641
Oh look it's the "top bit of the romulan warbird" ships

>>79420482
>Cardassians
>jews

Nah son, at first glance the Ferengi are the space jews. But the real space jews are the dominion

>>79422440
nvm I misread

>>79415777
Mirror TNG, while it would have been awesome, would have been impossible to mesh with the mirror DS9 timeline. They would have had to introduce another evil universe that Kirk never tampered with.

>>79417472
My favorite ST fun fact is that the lezzie Trill also played the Borg Queen at the end of Voyager.

>>79416646
>But then UPN went so far as to increase the playback speed of season 2 by 5%, season 3 by 10%, and season 4 by 15%, all in order to put more ridiculous, hawking commercials into the hour

what the fuck, are you fucking serious?

>>79422931

they definitely did because I remember thinking episodes weirdly fast. I'd switch to other networks to gauge and it was weird.

>>79417677
>Klingon Sarcophagus Ship
>Actually looks more Romulan than klingon
Look at it, it's like a great eagle with folded wings.

Maybe they're actually smart and they're calling Romulan shit Klingon to misguide us. Maybe the "Klingons" were actually Remans, which while terrible for continuity would be less bad than making them Klingons.

I want to watch DS9 but I just don't like the way the show looks. Everything is low contrast, the colours don't stand out.

Also on another note, what happened to the music in TNG? In early episodes it was great, atmospheric synth-y stuff (e.g. in Q Who when the Borg cube is chasing them, the score really adds to the chilling atmosphere). Later on though everything is generic orchestral stuff that never stands out or does anything memorable. This seemed to continue into DS9, VOY, and Enterprise. Why?

>>79423213
It looks that way mainly because most of the show takes place on DS9, a cardassian station, and in quark's bar. It's just a completely different color and lighting profile than federation ships.

>>79423182
it looks like a Bird of prey, stop hating it

>>79423349
I know you're being ironic because nobody with eyes can look at that and equate it to a bird of prey.

STO's original content birds of prey look more like a bird of prey than that.
Enterprises bird of prey looked more like a bird of prey.

>>79423213
>what happened to the music in TNG? In early episodes it was great, atmospheric synth-y stuff (e.g. in Q Who when the Borg cube is chasing them, the score really adds to the chilling atmosphere). Later on though everything is generic orchestral stuff
The difference between the 80s and 90s.

>>79423213

I got interested in the music question and found this:

>n an article in the October 1993 issue of Cinefantastique magazine, I read an interesting article about the music on TNG and DS9. Apparently, the linear-restrained quality has nothing to do with the composers' abilities, but rather the wishes of the producers, and the strict guidelines they impose. It appears to be the reason that led to the firing of Ron Jones (who turned out some of TNG's best scores, including "The Best of Both Worlds" parts I and II, as well as "Brothers," "Final Mission" and many more). Jones was reported as an overbudgeted "troublemaker" who decided to ignore these guidelines—i.e., they got rid of him because his music was too "noticeable." For some reason, the producers decided they wanted no recognizable or recurring themes in the episode scores.

Why on Earth did they intentionally kneecap their own scores? Was it some kind of ego thing, where they didn't want the visual content to be upstaged by the composer?

>>79423385

More people would watch Star Trek if it was like STO. That game is bananas. It's a weird blend of B5 and Starship troopers in a star trek skin.

>Ships are decked out with ridiculous amounts of firepower and entire point of the game is hunting down rarer, more ridiculous weapons and armor for your troops and ships.

All they need is a larger battle mode. The PVP is tailored to money players so they beat the shit out of the noncash players.

>army of Feds rolling into battle all wearing power armor with portable turret and shields.

Absolute. bananas.