My master, Sauron the Great, bids thee welcome. Is there any

>>79395641
fucking bongs

>>79395641
Watched the non extended version recently, forgot this wasn't in it.

>>79395641
how was he seeing where he was going?

He didn't chop his head off in the books.

>>79395641
What species was this guy?

>>79395879
Same as Isildur

>>79395879
Rellarin.
>The Rellarins were sentient bipeds indigenous to Rellnas Minor, a moon orbiting the gas giant Rellnas in the Rell system. Taller than most humanoids, Rellarins had an imposing appearance, with hands twice as broad as those of Wookiees, thick brown shell plates covering their bodies, and faces dominated by feeding spikes. Despite this imposing appearance, they were among the most peaceful, humble, and spiritual cultures in the galaxy, widely respected for their wisdom, ethics, and reverence for nature.

>>79395641

Is there any in this rout
with authority to treat with me?

I am the one with the digits.

>>79395739
Magic

>>79395934
Isn't the Mouth a Black Numenorean?

>>79395641
Good thing all the water in Mordor was probably warm

>>79396078
yes my mistake

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>>79395879
australian

>>79395934
Oh yeah, I remember now. So basically human but with a long lifespan and stronger ability. This guy should've received a cool fight scene with Aragorn, rather than be killed in one shot.

>>79396135
it would look dumb if general of one army and messanger from other just suddenly started swordfighing in the middle of their talks with both armies watching

>>79396135
>rather than be killed in one shot
he should not have been killed, at all. he was an ambassador.

>>79396303
In the video game he challenges Aragorn to a duel while the Gondor/Rohan soldiers gather around and cheer Aragorn on like its a fucking wresting match or something.

>>79395879
British

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>>79396343
AHHH MR ARAGORN SON OF ARATHORN

>>79396517
kek. Aragorn also duels with the ghost king iirc

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>>79396343
HE WAS A CONSUL OF MORDOR

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>>79396343
>You're too close to this case Elessar!
>But boss, I have damning evidence against-
>You're suspect has diplomatic immunity now turn in your Anduril!

>killing a messenger
I love the Jackson films, but that scene was dumb
you don't kill a messenger, and in the book no such thing happens

>>79396546
>>79396689
>>79396842

well, he get to leave unharmed in the books.

>Who would have thought one so small, could endure so much taxation? And he did Gandalf. Oh, he did.
>And who is this? Isildur's heir? It takes more than fiscal conservatism to make a king.

This character really felt out of place. Glad they cut that scene.

>>79396343
t. Uglûk

Orcs deserve death

>>79397778
Was Mordor jealous of Gondor's tax policy?

>>79397784
he is no orc you faggot. he is man.

Sauron wasn't that bad a guy desu

>>79395641

what was his favourite item on the /menu/?

>>79397976
guzaline

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>>79396343
rules are for the breaking

>>79397950
He just needed some counselling for the OCD. Sadly, Aulë don't provide mental health plan for his employees, it's really all his fault.

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>>79396343
>he was an ambassador.
I FUCKING HATE THIS MEME

FUCKING CODES OF NATIONS AND WAR DON'T APPLY TO THE GUY THAT JUST ATTACKED YOUR FUCKING CITY WITH A MASSIVE ARMY


Worst thing is, you may be a memer, but there are people that actually believes it

>>79399433
but he didn't attack the city he was just there to talk

>>79399433
Yes they do.

After Hannibal had just finish slaughtering 60,000 Romans in a single day, he sent ambassadors to Rome expecting after such a catastrophic loss they will be fully ready to sue for peace. The Romans had no interest in negotiation, but, being civilized, they told the ambassadors "you have X amount of time to leave before we'll harm you."

>>79399433
never apply for a job in the state department.

>>79399433
Without diplomacy we are nothing but animals no better than the orcs we claim are evil.

>>79399433
Nigger detected. I suppose your people just eat your enemies, don't they?

>>79399433
But the whole point is Aragorn being this honorable and virtuous leader. Killing an ambassador, no matter how evil, is just not something Aragorn would do.

>>79399433
Besides, there's no redemption for that monstrosity. He's pure evil and cannot be helped.

>>79396923
subhuman orc curs and their slaves aren't people

>>79395641
>Ranger Aragon, I'm mouth of Sauron.

>Aragorn slices off the Mouth's head during a parlay
>suddenly starts singing afterwards
was it autism?

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>Let the LAAAAAAAARD o'er the black land come farth!

Was it autism?

>>79395871

He didn't set up his army in a big circle either

>>79399433
>>79399433
This
>ambassador was sent out just to mock you and demoralize your troops with no intent of actually negotiating for anything
>guy claims to have killed your friend and thus your only chance at victory
>you just lead an army to his doorstep for this ploy and now you're all going to get pointlessly slaughtered
>the literally bred-to-be-evil enemy force wants to eradicate you completely and eat your children
>they themselves have not adhered to anything approaching modern military rules, regularly using torture and intimidation tactics like lobbing human heads over walls

>BUT DON'T KILL THEM OR YOU'LL BE JUST LIKE THEM

>>79400017
>>BUT DON'T KILL THEM OR YOU'LL BE JUST LIKE THEM
exactly. are you too dense to understand this?

>>79399885
>implying mouth of sauron was below orcs in the mordor hierarchy

orcs are literally lower than spiders

>>79399849
I suppose Grima was just an "ambassador" to Theodin too.

Sauron doesn't have ambassadors. He has spies and demoralization agents who try to mind control people.

>>79400097
Yeah. That's why everyone hates Sauron so much. Because he kills ambassadors. Other than that he just wants to be left alone and chill all day in Mordor.

>>79400108
I'm not saying killing him would be wrong or anything. Just saying Aragorn as a character shouldn't do it and didn't in the books

>>79400108
>I suppose Grima was just an "ambassador" to Theodin too.

not even the same thing. how do you not understand this?

>Sauron doesn't have ambassadors.

yes he has. name is mouth of sauron.

>>79400181
show me one instant that he kills ambassadors.

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>>79400097

>>79400237
How was Grima any different? If the Mouth of Sauron was sent to Minas Tirith for a month under the same guise as Grima do you honestly think he'd behave diplomatically? Grima came to Rohan as an adviser and diplomat from Saruman.

You don't fuck around with ambassadors when your enemy has mind control powers and has already shown a precedent for exercising them.

>show me one instant that he kills ambassadors
Reread that post again as a sarcastic one.

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>everyone else is having a good time in the inn
>sits in the corner staring creepily with his hood up
was it autism?

>>79395739
he wasn't going his horse was.

>>79400333
>Grima came to Rohan as an adviser
exactly, he was not a foreign diplomat, he was an advisor. not the same thing.

You guys are all fucking dumb. The Mouth of Sauron was actually the cheif tax collector.
He is the MOUTH of Sauron, who much like Louis the 14th, "is the state". Since the government runs on money and taxes are the governments primary form of income, the Mouth of Sauron was very important not because of being an ambassador but because he got Sauron's government the money it needed to run and so the Orcs were upset because they knew with his death they were going to have nothing but maggoty bread for the rest of their stinkin days.

>>79399988
that accent always irked me

>>79400108
>Grima
The character Aragorn specifically told Theoden to spare?

How is bringing this up doing anything than reinforcing the contradiction in Aragorn's character?

>>79400333
>Grima came to Rohan as an adviser and diplomat from Saruman.
So you're just going to make shit up and expect not to be called on it? Grima was from Rohan. He was an advisor to Theoden who had been turned by Saruman into a spy.

>>79400333
>Little is known of Gríma before he became counselor of Théoden in Edoras. His childhood is a mystery. What is known is that Gríma, son of Gálmód, and a native of Rohan, joined the service of Saruman in secret and worked as a spy to weaken Théoden and his kingdom, using his voice to keep the spell intact while Saruman is inside the King.

That's from The One Ring wiki.

It implies Grima never openly revealed himself as an ambassador from Saruman, but was in fact a spy.
It might be more accurate to say that Grima was an ambassador for a corrupted Theoden.

>>79395879
He's a Black Numenorian.

>>79400396
>>79400494
>>79400523
Whatever. It's semantics. The Mouth had nefarious intents, he was not out there to barter. The point is the killing of an ambassador isn't the sole thing that separated Sauron and his forces from Men. It doesn't even put them close.

>>79400017
Why are people even debating this? In the book they specifically say that he's an ambassador and shouldn't be harmed. Whether or not you think Aragon was morally justified in killing him, it's unquestionably wrong for Jackson to add it to the movie.

>>79400728
It wasn't in the movie.

>>79395739
with evil

>>79400662
>Whatever. It's semantics
it is not. god damn you are really dense.
>The Mouth had nefarious intents, he was not out there to barter

intents, that's it. that doesn't give you right to kill him. he spesificly said he was there to treat.

>The point is the killing of an ambassador isn't the sole thing that separated Sauron and his forces from Men. It doesn't even put them close.

it has nothing to do with the context we discuss.

>>79400747
it was in the extended edition. thus in the movie.

>>79400457
Grima was still somewhat redeemable, I suppose. The Mouth of Sauron, yeah okay he wasn't an Orc, but he was still a Sauron loyalist and corrupted beyond help.

>>79400800
>what people say trumps people's actual intents
Hahahaha what? If you know someone is going to stab you but they say they're not you're wrong to act as though they're going to stab you?

>it has nothing to do with the context we discuss.
Yes it does, right here:
>>79400097
where you imply the only thing separating the morality of Men vs Sauron is the killing of this one guy. And then you failed to catch the sarcasm in this post >>79400181 somehow

>>79400808
>corrupted beyond help.
Literally against Tolkien's core beliefs.

>>79400901
>If you know someone is going to stab you
He was not there to stab them. He presented no physical threat at all to Aragorn.

>>79400901
>Hahahaha what? If you know someone is going to stab you but they say they're not you're wrong to act as though they're going to stab you?

law of war in the middle ages doesn't work like that. parts come together, make demands, says or else, they refuse each other, return to their armies THEN they start to kill each other.

>Yes it does, right here:
>>>79400097 (You)
>where you imply the only thing separating the morality of Men vs Sauron is the killing of this one guy. And then you failed to catch the sarcasm in this post >>79400181 somehow

you are right, I read that wrongly.

>killing an envoy
>people still think Aragorn was a good guy

>>79401014
Yeah okay that's a counter to the one example I made to argue actual intent versus spoken word in a general sense. I was under no impression that the Mouth of Sauron was going to wipe out a sword and go to town. But he was sent out specifically to hurt morale, not to treat. If his intent was actually to negotiate and be diplomatic, I'd understand this view.

>>79401195
>He was going to hurt morale!

Aragorn was a savage brute who demonstrated he was not the rightful king.

>>79401195
>But he was sent out specifically to hurt morale

so? that doesn't justify it. every warring parts always does that. If you were the part that had the upper hand, you would definitely do that.

>>79400976
For Gollum sure. I never really saw that belief exercised when it came to Orcs, Sauron, or Ungoliant, among others

>>79401270
Yeah, he was. You already saw it begin before Aragorn rode up and sliced his head off when Merry and Pippin started freaking out. Considering morale is the only thing stopping an army from breaking I'd say its a pretty important thing to protect.

>>79396135
He is a solid boss fight in the criminally underrated video game.
As for the film they should have gone with their first instinct and had Aragorn fight Sauron instead of the troll.

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>the greatest evil in middle earth
>his goal is the eradication or enslavement of everyone in middle earth who doesn't follow him
>just tried to take Minas Tirith
>Mouth comes out and taunts Aragorn
>gets killed
>HE DINDU NUFFINS

This is war, Aragorn either wins or everyone he knows and loves dies. Who gives a fuck if he kills the mouth? Would Sauron suddenly think more highly of Aragorn and respect him? This isn't a feud over land or money or trade, it's a battle against the ultimate evil in the world that has not once "negotiated" with the other side.

>>79401356
>As for the film they should have gone with their first instinct and had Aragorn fight Sauron instead of the troll
fuck no.

>Considering morale is the only thing stopping an army from breaking I'd say its a pretty important thing to protect.

there were 5 people there. not an army. you don't go to negotiate with the whole army. army doesn't even know what's happening.

>>79401324
I would do that, sure. But I also wouldn't follow your rules of being honorable. If I was, I wouldn't send the person whose sole purpose is to harm morale out under the guise of someone willing to negotiate and treat.

>>79401427
The army was clearly within earshot.

>>79401438
even Ugluk keeps his word and honor. and you just express you are beneath him.

>>79401487
I'm done with this stupidity.

>>79401559
Not an argument

>>79399433
That situation is like 50 percent of why ambassadors exist

>Gríma Wormtongue

Did the lad ever stand a chance with a name like that?

>>79396078
>>79396095
Well technically they are the same as they both are descendants of Numenor. One is just edgy as fuck.

>>79395739
The Eye of Sauron.

>>79401858
damn...

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>>79395879
Chaos Warrior

>>79401389
Again, literally the opposite of Tolkien's beliefs.

>>79401958
He probably shouldn't have made the enemy an almost literal demon and Satan's cum gobbler then.

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>>79399988
>viggo
>autism

Almost definitely.

>>79395641
Walked straight out the theatre when Aragorn killed him.

10+ hours of movie ends with the big bad getting his head chopped off out of nowhere. Tolkien is a hack.

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>>79402103
>me in the back

>>79402147
>Walked straight out the theatre when Aragorn killed him
you couldn't have. it was in the extended version, you are lying.
>10+ hours of movie ends with the big bad getting his head chopped off out of nowhere. Tolkien is a hack.
that was jackson, not tolkien. the mouth survives in the books.

>>79402211
I watched the extended versions in the theatre over the course of 1 day.

>>79402277
nice digits now post Pippin's EL JUSTO hairline pics

>>79401944
It's like every bored 14 year old and every shitty metal album cover had a retarded baby.

>>79402489
you basically described all of Warhammer 40k, it's fucking awesome

>>79401344
He actually wanted to write more about Orcs and their culture. Even had an idea for an Orc who rejects the nature that Morgoth and Sauron have imposed on his kind.

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>>79402103
What did Viggo mean by this?