the points made are the same ones he's made in his other

This is a very half-assed document. It presupposes so many things without explaining it, just breezing through them all in the end.

And I don't believe this is any "clever" metanarrative about simplifying the world and obfuscating the truth or a better interpretation of world events (this is the subject of the document)

For example Bitter Lake was a slam dunk in terms of making its case, while this feels like 2manyideas at once just puked on a paper.

2/5 on the standards I hold Adam Curtis (with Bitter Lake and Century being 5/5)

Could someone give me a very simplistic summary of the docu

the modern world is an illusion / front?

>>79197638
Yes. Manufactured enemies and wars in order to keep the military-industrial complex in power.

>>79197638
No. Not exactly. The modern world is increasingly simplified in "x - opposite of x"setup because the people leading the world are currently so fucking stupid they can't read a goddamn motherfucking book to learn about stuff and shit and this causes A TON of issues that also get simplified in to the "good-evil" rhetoric.

>>79197256

I agree with you completely.
Something was off with this one.

The stuff with the Assad father was interesting, but none of it fit together very well.

>>79197825
Yeah. I don't think the film is a clever metanarrative. It tries to explain stuff, but on a such surface level it just fails making the connections and arguments it wants the viewer to believe.

Don't get me wrong. I agree with what the doc is saying. It just isn't saying it well.

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>>79197256
Yeah, from a non-political point of view the Trump campaign stuff really felt like it was tacked on at the end of the doc. I did find the whole rise of the Trump Empire with his Casinos and hotels very interesting, although they didn't really fit in with the whole narrative. The best part was probably the whole Gaddafi story, he really did nothing wrong. The Syrian parts were also interesting.

In my opinion Adam Curtis should do a documentary on the whole political system of post-communist Russia and how it regained it's position of "evil global empire" of the cold war.

>>79197688
Sounds like MGS4

>>79197991
>tfw been watching Putin's interviews.
>tfw a LOT of what he says makes sense.
I mean the man is a great speaker, great arguments, sound fucking logic in his speeches. Very impressed.

But I'm afraid my low IQ is confusing me and I'm getting brainwashed, who knows.

>>79197688
>the military-industrial complex in power.
more like keep the Saudi-Arabia oil price low for the USA, Britain, Germany, France and keep Russia from gaining leverage with their oil exporting (which they do 60% of their GPD or something of)

now this has resulted to pro-SA politics for like, 150 years or so. And 1 side effect is the radical Islam which SA supports and spreads through schools around the Islamic world


which through A LOT OF HOOPS, and I mean A LOT OF THEM, lead to ISIS, ISIL.

>>79198081
Exactly.

But Curtis's point (I think) is that radical Islam has been manufactured by the West as an 'enemy', where it need not have been.

>>79198081
>>now this has resulted to pro-SA politics for like, 150 years or so.

Saudi Arabia isn't even a hundred years old dude.

>>79198145
It wasn't manufactured by the West. He makes it dead clear it's a clear result of pro-SA policies and West fucking up and being a cuck.

Now, what he argues is that West has definitely, 100%, generated GOOD-BAD narrative to simplify, to understand the world. And this narrative the politicians and media apply fails. Fails really hard, as his example of Afghanistan where the British troops got BTFO by the locals that tricked them to think everyone else was Taleban and made Brits go against them etc.

>>79198172
idk dude aren't we at 2020 already sorry im stupid

>>79198081
>which through A LOT OF HOOPS, and I mean A LOT OF THEM, lead to ISIS, ISIL.
Actually, there are not that many hoops, modern jihaddist ideology is a marriage of Salafist teachings + Sayyid Qutb revolutionary program.

ITT
>I'm a retarded manchild who missed the point pretty much completely.

You morons should just stick to capeshit and stale pasta about shitting your pants or whatever.

>>79198045
Putin is much more well spoken and articulate than the last 4 American presidents put together. Being ex-KGB and a politician in such a competitive and volatile environment (Russian political system) will do that.

>>79198045
>>79198319
It's scary to watch that smooth motherfucker. Probably the richest man in the world with international mafia support talking soothing words.

I like the way that he points out that sjw opposition to stuff is and was completely ineffective by juxtaposing that 70s feminist art bullshit with that girl crying about Brexit. I'm not anti liberal but it's cool that he shows all the protesting and whining is for nothing

>>79198267
give me a gestalt on this film please

>>79197189
source on that chick? is there any porn?

""documentary"" looks like shit, btw

Old guy here.

Back in 2000, Western governments were actively looking for enemies in the wake of the fall of the USSR. Funnily enough, one of the prime candidates was the Greens. British special forces and police were already well on the way to infiltrating them and making them more radical when 9/11 happened.

Curtis's documentaries aren't science, but they often point out important factors that people tend to overlook.

>>79197256
>>79197991
agreed. The gathered facts were too arbitrary and knitted together rather clumsily. Still some good bits here and there.

>>79198483
>>79198319
i think he speaks the truth in at least the international convention videos that I've watched about him. Few speeches about the USA missile shields are impressive. He contrasts the action of Russia with actions of USA and just asks which is the aggressive one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd17-odPn1k

Great speaker and, good arguments.

>>79198822
he makes a point of saying in russia, opposition and protests groups are created and funded by the kremlin, as a means of keeping people confused on who they are really for or against.
implies could be same with liberal groups in western countries.

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I liked the bits about Russia, I didn't know about the bait and switch "Oh yeah, we fund all our opposition also," that Putin did, which borders on genius to me. I don't think the powers that be are as ignorant as Curtis makes them out to be though, you can't really push a guy like Ghadafi out in front of the world without knowing full well that you're full of shit. They were understandably caught off guard by the rise of suicide bombings and took some time to take stock of the situation in Syria, but to say the US government just threw their hands in the air and said "Dur, this is too hard for me" is a bit misguided, especially given that we've spent the better part of the last three decades sticking our dicks directly in the hornets nest, regardless of the public image we've tried to project. It was also very unfocused, would have been far better if he'd stayed with breaking down mass information and computer systems instead of trying to score good boy points bitching about Trump before he was even elected, but I'm guessing he would have been stepping on some actually powerful toes from the NSA to Google if he did that. It definitely had some interesting and worthwhile bits, but it also isn't nearly what it could have been.

>>79199457
Soros does this stuff in Europe and America. Not a government part tho.. but still.

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Did the CIA really start the UFO conspiracies?

I tried looking this up and couldn't find anything

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>>79197189
>Shia Islam is bad
>the Sunnis dindu noffin!

Which of his other docs are good?

>>79200102
All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace
Bitter Lake
The Trap

A is for Atom

>tfw working in "the system" and watching how much hangs on really arbitrary numbers and algorithms
Curtis is spot on about automation and systems of prediction

>>79199344
amazing

>>79200102
The Century of the Self is his masterpiece

>>79199344
That fucking FREE SPACE got a legitimate, audible, laugh out of me. And that's rare.

Thanks anon

This seems like the work of a college freshman who just read the jacket flap of a baudrillard book and now thinks he has the secrets to the universe.

>>79202406
Your post seems like the kind of post that hasn't seen Curtis'w ork

>>79199802
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/aug/14/men-in-black-ufo-sightings-mirage-makers-movie

I guess I better track down Mirage Men. sounds really cool.

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>>79202156
i actually was introduced to his work at this event

http://www.armoryonpark.org/photo_gallery/slideshow/Massive_Attack_V_Adam_Curtis

>>79199507
he wasn't "bitching about Trump" to score points. Trump's campaign and election is emblematic of our post-truth world, which is what the film charts the history of. Our most current reference is Trump, but the doc implies subversion of facts is as much an American tradition as apple pie.

>>79203620
It's funny when people refer to Trump as "post-truth" like this, when Clinton got caught lying through her teeth by Wikileaks and Guccifer, and earlier (year or two back) Trey Gowdy trapped her lying to congress and to American people.

Just weird that he chose to attack Trump in the light of the recent campaign imho.

>>79203654
by any metric Trump lied more than Clinton during the campaign and CONTINUES to lie in the face of very obvious facts. He is emblematic of post-truth. On the liar scale, Clinton was just like any another politician. Trump charts far higher.

>>79199925

uh, he's saying the opposite. khomeini is the only shia "bad guy" and it was just for gaslighting those kids into blowing themselves up since iran didn;t have the weapons to fight the us-backed iraq army

>Muslims invented suicide bombing

sod off Adam

>>79198944
Second this

I need to fap to her greasy 80's face

It's interesting until the last third, where it turns into a Putin/Trump bashing.

>>79200102
The Century of Self
The Trap
All Watched Over by Machines
Bitter Lake

All good, thought Hyper normalization was maybe his worst

>>79204830
>wahhhh he insulted Trump wahhhh
this doc is for adults. grow up.

The idea of political theater I found very frightening.

>>79197189

But this was a trap, because OP was a fag the whole time

Soon, everyone in the thread started making fun of him, just like that

>>79204960
I don't care about both, it just turns into a simple political bashing

>>79205127
kek

Adamposting when?

>>79197991

According to an article recently he just got 9 terrabytes of the BBC's archive footage from Moscow of the last 30 years, so he may already be working on something on the fall of the USSR.

He has an aide whose job it is to go all over the world collecting old BBC archive footage and deliver it to him.

>>79205454
Russian kino back on the menu confirmed.

>>79205183

...what anon didn't realise was, Curtisposting had been a meme for a while.

>>79205181
No it doesn't. He briefly uses Trump and Putin for like 2 scenes to illustrate how truth is manipulated in the political arena.

You're viewing it through biased, partisan lenses and get triggered whenever someone you support gets insulted.

>tfw too low iq for adamposting

>>79197189
One of the best films of 2016. Easily better than negrobaits on the doc category of the academy.
Pity so many take things exclusively on the political side on his great late work, as these threads demonstrate in the last months.

>>79198319
>>79198483
>>79199233
I've never seen more blatant propaganda posting in my life. You guys are pathetic.

>>79205753
Sure you have.