>movie has a bad plot >therefore it's a bad movie

I feel like plot is important to a narrative.

>>78936301
Yeah that's a good example of pleb criticisms.

>boring

Obsessing over a girl after she starts to attention whore is pretty pleb.

>>78936301
It's important but not the only important part

>>78936230
"Plot doesn't matter because film is a visual medium"
"What do you mean it's also a narrative medium??? Whatever pleb, Refn rules"

>>78936346
obsessing over girls is pretty pleb

>>78936459
>Refn is bad
the most pleb criticism of all

>>78936230
What is your logic? Basically, if an artist puts an element into a work, they ought to do it well. To do it poorly is detrimental. Like when a song is mostly good, but the lyrics they wrote for it are shit, it would have been better just to leave them out. And if a filmmaker adds a plot to their movie, and it's fucking garbage, it's a legit critique. Like Enter the Void. The visuals were great, but the storytelling was so bad, and such a prominent part of the movie, that you had to suffer through all of that stupidity, rendering the movie so long that even the visuals became redundant. As much as I appreciate the visual aspect, the movie is absolutely terrible.

>It didn't explain (something completely irrelevant the narrative

Like yeah, I get it. TFA was a shit movie, but not because it didn't explain why C3PO had a red arm.

>It's a bad movie because none of the characters are relatable/likable

>>78936483
obsessing is pretty pleb

>>78936319
>nothing happened

What is essential DSL kino?

>>78936944
Mysterious Skin

>>78936944
me

>Character makes a decision that is less than totally perfectly geared to resolving the plot immediately
>FUCKING HACK PLOT HOLE

>Color grading

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>>78936944
Shin Godzilla

>>78936230
you either like a movie or you don't.

After that, everything is rationalization to support that emotional feeling.

>>78936487
Refn is worse than Inarritu, just sayin
Bronson was great tho.

>>78937421
if you really think that, you should not be here

>>78936230
Example of a bad plot please.
I literally have no idea how to categorize a plot as good or bad.

>>78936230
>implying plot isn't the most important aspect of any movie
True pleb detected

>>78937421
Only a sith deals in absolutes.

A bad plot can make an otherwise "good" movie bad; so, yes, that is true.

>>78936487
Well, he is bad.

If his job was just as a cinematographer that would be different, but he "writes" his movies; so, plot is relevant to judging him and the verdict is in: bad.

>>78936319
Valid criticism. It may not be in-depth, but it's valid, nevertheless.

Sorry.

>>78937421
If you're not autistic (I assume you are) you can appreciate certain aspects of a movie while disliking other aspects.

>>78937568
yes but that's not how it unfolds. people decide if they like something (not limited to movies) then play up reasons that support it, even if it has nothing to do with why they liked it, which is emotional.

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>>78936944
HWNDU

>>78937421
That only works if you assume everyone either likes or dislikes something, which isn't always the case.
The worst criticism I've ever heard was of Synechdoche, NY, someone was convinced it was a bad movie because it made them feel depressed. Not that they disliked how it made them felt, but that it was a legitimately poor piece of cinema because it was sad and (crucially) didn't ultimately leave them satisfied or provide them any kind of catharsis.
Arguably the purpose of a piece of art is to take an idea/emotion/whatever from the author/creators head and transplant it into the viewer, IE to make you feel something (or anything for that matter). As far as I'm concerned a movie that provokes a response from the viewer is a success and the only way a piece of art can fail is if it makes you feel nothing at all. At that point the question is was it the fault of the viewer, IE were they staring at their phone through 75% of the movie, or was the creator at fault. If it's the former you can pretty fucking categorically say they're a pleb and any criticisms they have the gall to make are going to be plebeian.

>it was so bad it was good

>>78936872
>c3po lost his old arm
>replaced with a red one cause spare parts

is that so hard for people to piece together?

>>78937594
Again, maybe you do that, but it's pretty bold to claim that everyone does

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>no big lipped ginger fucktoy

>>78936317
>>78936230
kys

Go watch security cam footage if you only like "muh shots"

>>78937537
*cringe*

>>78936230
>inaccurate to the source material

It honestly depends on the movie. Complaining that the "plot is bad" in an action movie is pretty dumb because people aren't watching it for the plot. Children's movies usually use simplistic plots to avoid confusing their target audience. Then you have movies that are less about what the plot is and more about how the plot is told: you could say the plot of 2001: A Space Odyssey was bad, but that ignores that the movie is good because of how it goes about telling the story. Then there's character-driven movies that are less about the plot and more about the characters and how they develop and how they interact. And plot hardly matters in a comedy movie, where it's more important that the movie is funny (and a lot of the best comedy movies have really stupid, bad plots).

I feel like people try to apply a cookie cutter formula to reviewing movies, but most movies can't be judged on the same criteria. Fact is, plot doesn't matter for a lot of movies.

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>>78938052
You forgot to add long tongued to that description.