>LOL dude I can't believe you went to Thailand and spent

>>1289604
I haven't stayed at a hostel before and am planning to on my next trip. How often do these sort of characters actually show up?

I'm going to meet so many of these in Chiang Mai aren't i

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>Where did you just come from? Oh that place, I've been there two years ago, it was already ruined then
>I've been in this hostel for two weeks doing nothing, so I'm basically part of staff and know everything
>why did you rent your bicycles from there, I could've got you such a better deal

>>1289607
theyre like half of the demographic

>>1289607
All the time, it's why you don't stay at hostels. Just rock in with a bottle and bang all the broke sluts if that's what your after.

Tell them you have an actual hot shower and bed and it's game over.

No other reason to go near a hostel.

>>1289645
Really? What if I'm travelling solo?

>>1289604
these fuckers...
Im from a small village in iceland and near my town there is this pool that is geothermically heated up and in the middle of a beautiful fjord.
It has been crowded by tourist all summer and turned it into shit.
anywho I went there with my brothers and a friend and the whole time we were all fighting the urge to not drowning this French faggot that was just like what op is describing.
whenever I hear foreign people utter the phrase " I'm practically a native" I find myself wanting to choke the fucker.

>>1289652
Lol and in the end of the day you all happily welcome the money that tourism brings into Iceland.
It's not like you're some starving third world, uneducated, flies in eyes kids who have to watch how elephant pants and RealTravellers drink and party and act like dicks, every day, throghout their lives.

>>1289647
That's fine, It's easier with a friend but just sit down with who ever's playing cards or jenga and start passing drink around in a circle and you'll be welcomed.

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>Why don't you wanna go to "shithole"?! You're just too close minded

I get it all the time when people who've been to Thailand or India ask me if I ever wanna go
Even if I tell them it's not my style at all, they always tell me "I thought that too before going but after spending 4 months in a hovel in the middle of nowhere with nothing really to do, I've changed my mind"

And even if people go there and don't like it, they just tell them "You just didn't GET it"

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>>1289665

India and Thailand are shitholes alright, but you can actually see some unique and messed up shit while there. There are threads right now on /trv/ that unironically advocate Belarus, Moldova or some other boring af place.

>>1289667

How in the fuck is belarus boring though? If you have cash its 24/7 party with as good as it gets service and nice whores? Like seriously top class stuff not like a holiday in SEA.

Just budget somewhere around 200 euros per day after accomodation and you are set. Take a week off from work and spend the meager 1700-2000euros to have an generally nicer time than flying to some place like vietnam and living on pennies for 2-4 weeks. Guaranteed to meet some really nice people too when you keep your standards a little bit higher.

This is the tip in eastern europe: Know someone local through business first, it will open up a whole new decadent level. Give gifts to people and enjoy the ride.

>>1289626
>>I've been in this hostel for two weeks doing nothing, so I'm basically part of staff and know everything

Fuck people like that, makes my blood boil.
In London I met a girl who said she had been staying at the hostel for a month and was looking for a job.

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>>1289680
>If you have cash its 24/7 party with as good as it gets service and nice whores

That's anywhere in the world, anon. And a lot better than in Minsk (literally the only noteworthy city, cause capital). And the whores aren't as nice as in Thailand, but let's leave this to personal preference. My flight to Manila is cheaper than to Minsk and I live close to it. It's called demand and it's part of flight pricing. Plus if I have moderate cash I can go to Ukraine and get the best of both worlds. Anything but Belarus. Like, Belarus got the most of the radiation from Chernobyl and none of the tourists, cause there's nothing there but marsh land.

>my trip to Pripyat

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>>1289684
Pripyat is in Ukraine

>my trip to Pripyat

>>1289617
>chiang mai
Brace yourself...

is 1000 dollars enough for a 5 days trip to Bangkok
im flying from Singapore

>>1289687
I know where it is. I was there. That was my point. There is no point in visiting Belarus what-so-ever.

>>1289689
Yes you silly goose.

>>1289693
sorry i blown away 1000 dollars for a 5 days trip in Hong Kong before and i wanted to know if this was similar

>>1289695
Thailand is way cheaper than hong kong. Hopefully someone more experienced than me can tell you really how far 1000 bucks can go in thailand.

>>1289607
You will probably want to stay at the hostel instead after you hang out in the lobby for a while. I used to turn my nose up at grungy backpackers until I hung out with them for a while in hostels. Then I kind of became one. Most people think they are being pretentious about paying too much but the truth is you just meet a more diverse group in hostels, including filthy rich people. They usually put all that aside and everyone is on an equal level. It's a good time. There are some weird wannabe spiritual people that do yoga and stuff in the lobby but they are typically left to themselves to scorn everyone else. I think OP has a point but some people in this thread are taking it a bit too far, hostels are cool places.

>>1289704
I am in a hostel atm

hostels are cool because stuff happens

the people here have a much higher percentage of being more retarded than average, though. you really can't deny that

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>think people are over exaggerating
>The time's come to check it out myself
>Turns out I'm wrong

Couchsurfing really is a dating site

>>1289617
CM has enough normie-travellers that it isn't overbearing 2bh

Once you get to the smaller backpacker towns around the city the ratio starts to to get ridiculous. I been to hostels where I swear I was the only person with a standard job waiting for me at home after my 2 week trip, everyone else was on an extended gap year.

Where's a place in SEA that is

1. reasonably developed
2. safe
3. not filled with moslums
4. not filled with Epic Travelerz

>>1289604
>You know it's just a big tourist trap man?
but i came here for the traps?!

>>1289709
DAMN

PATRICK IS KNOCKING EM OUT

>>1289709
Jesus, Patrick is killing the game.
Sharin' your page, mate : https://www.couchsurfing.com/people/patrick.paulin

"Meeting with Patrick starts from the car-stolen situation, ends like Rome holiday dream vocation!! The two days we are together is like non-pause movie, time flies like a blink of eyes. Patrick is extremely considerate and gentlemen, full of humor and smiles like an angel. We had dinner together in the city and enjoyed our first ENJOY motor bike adventure in Rome. The night view of Rome is so peaceful and totally different from day time. Quite a pity that time is too short! Hope we will meet again somewhere someday soon!!"

>>1289719
nowhere in SEA, all realtravelers go there because its ass cheap. That being said I enjoyed Thailand and Cambodia and I didnt meet a lot of them. Although I dont ever stay in hostels.

>>1289707
Some of my best friends are retarded

>>1289744
as are mine. but unfamiliar retarded people are some of the least pleasant experiences imaginable.

>>1289719
I always found Malaysia very nice to vist. God tier food, friendly people, crazy beautiful sights, beaches and jungles. Very developed transportation system and accomodation.

Yes, it's a Muslim country (around 70%), they keep it to themselves and are fairly chill. Plus it's mostly the Malays, I didn't interact with them so much, as Chinese Malaysians were more outgoing.

Only downside is the high cost of alcohol there, beer is around 2$ a can at the supermarket, if I recall well. And of course, a lot more at a restaurant. Bear in mind you can get a VERY big meal for 2$, that's why it seems expensive - relatively.

>>1289709
>But he is very selective, I was lucky to be his guest.
For some reason I think I might have an idea about the requirements.

>>1289607
>how often
Kek
My hostel in Cambodia was about 90% hippie real travelers.

I kept them in the commons because I spent most of the time having loud sex with a fat girl from Detroit.

>>1289816
Everyone hates you

>>1289832
>Everyone hates you
Not the ones like me who quietly jerk off to it.

>>1289834
this. beats porn

>>1289834
Loudly jerk off my dude then you get double the voyerism boner

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Why do so many travelers fetishize being poor?

I'd rather travel comfortably and pay for interesting experiences than live on an allowance of bumfuck nothing.

>>1289843
I think people have the price perception fucked up and forget how fucking worthless the currency is.

I had friends who complained about getting overcharged in SEA for 50p equivilant. Western nations have such an insanely high purchasing power why anybody gives a single fuck is beyond me

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>>1289843
>pay for interesting experiences

wow, call me whatever you want, guided tours and sites you have to pay for are usually boring as hell. don't get me wrong, i shell out the cash when it's a landmark but if that's the only way you do it you are really missing out. i'm older now so i can't move on a budget like i used to but i really miss those days. i'm not sure how much money you have but i'll do the math for you

ten dollars a night in a hostel dorm will get you more time in a country than one hundred dollars a night in a hotel

it's that simple, go on a budget to maximize your time, and it's also just easier to meet young people like that when you are young. i had some really lonely experiences when i checked into hotels, there is usually a lobby with a bar but why go there when it's full of folks that are trying to outdo each other. I've also stayed at budget hostels and ended up in VIP lounges with full bars that were on the house, I never would have gotten that type of treatment if I stayed at hotels that were hell bent on nickel and diming me every step of the way.


I'm just going to be that guy and say you are missing the point of backpacking around when you are young if you don't see how little you can pay while still having a good time.

>>1289845
I guess I can partially agree, although most of the travelers I've seen continue that same frugality long after they've returned home. Anyone who complains about being overcharged by a few cents/dollars (after they spent a few hundred getting there) is being unreasonable.

>>1289851
Money's not much of an issue for me, and I don't care much for socializing with most people at home, let alone people I meet while traveling.

I think we have fundamentally different reasons for traveling, so while I disagree with your comment I'm glad that you're happy and that those experiences were meaningful for you. I don't think they would have been for me.

>>1289843
>>1289845
It's because of SEA's reputation of live like kings with 50 cents a day meme.

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>>1289718
Most likely will be staying in hostels in Chiang Mai and doing/seeing stuff in and near the city. Only for a week before moving on to Bangkok and onto Malaysia
>>1289688
W-why

>>1289851
People take it too far though, sure having a longer trip is nice but what's the point if you spend it doig yoga in the hostel courtyard?

The worst is wwofing, like why the fuck would you travel to do manual labour?

>>1289955
sights and monuments get boring

unless you legit speak the language, there is a limited amount to do in any city

most pastimes don't even require money so the idea that you have to spend money in a foreign country to do anything is questionable

or if they do require money, like skiing, do you really need to ski every day? is that fun?

you sound like you only get 14 days vacation a year

>>1289709
Lol, this fucking guy is banging all of these girls.

>>1289956
>sights and monuments get boring

Speak for yourself. Even if the entry is free most of them will almost certainly require spending money in some fashion to get to. What is the point of sitting around the hostel because you are too cheap to buy a bus ticket to see something interesting. And is that a serious question? Many people go on holidays for the sole purpose of skiing with a bit of winter hiking thrown in maybe.

>>1289981
oh gee, hiking around is so much more fun than chilling at a hostel near a beach or bar area

tip top mate. have fun seeing "rocks"

do you see that your argument is reductive and stupid? I am at ahostel by the beach. it is 6 bucks a night plus food and alcohol

I have drinks many nights, party some, go for a dip drunk most nights, bang girls frequently

been doing this for months

have fun busybodying around like a self important asshole because you are a slave to your "career" and idea of self respectability

and no, I don't do drugs

everythng loses its lustre, especially sports and sightseeing

>>1289845
>I had friends who complained about getting overcharged in SEA for 50p equivilant.
This grinds my gears too.
Obnoxious first worlders haggling like crazy to save like .1 of their home currency. Even in Hk, I've seen chubby tourists with $1000 DSLR around their neck bargaining over 2 HKD for a copy handbag in ladies market, pretending to leave when the seller wouldn't budge. Then returning to buy the bag anyway because "you're lucky the wife REALLY want that bag".
Protip: as long as they sell you the stuff, they're making profit anyway. Is saving 0.3EUR worth the 10mn sweating and bargaining?
>>1289851
Well that's like, your opinion, man.
I rather spend 4 days in great conditions than 10 days at a hostel sharing body odors and 4chan mouth breathing. To each his own.

>>1289982
>have fun busybodying around like a self important asshole because you are a slave to your "career" and idea of self respectability

Is this how you react whenever anybody dares not agree with you? If you want to waste entire months of your life at a beach hostel drinking instead of actually going out and doing/seeing stuff that is on you but don't act like you are somehow superior for doing it.

>>1289604

>Sorry, duder. I don't live off my parents and the good will of strangers willing to throw money in a hat.

>Yep. Was nice, enjoyed myself a lot. Met some cool people from the Ukraine and we ended up having dinner that night at an amazing food stall place.

>*in my hotel room, relaxing with a last drink of the day before going to bed*

>>1289626
> Huh. And your shitty travel blog helped shit it up.
>When is the last time you showered?
>Because you aren't my personal travel agent. Plus I want a bike with a seat.

>>1289736
>>1289709
>tfw live in a low-demand city

>>1289988
>>Yep. Was nice, enjoyed myself a lot. Met some cool people from the Ukraine and we ended up having dinner that night at an amazing food stall place.

But anon, I did meet some cool people in Ukraine and we did have a nice dinner in a restaurant.

>>1289985
">You have to haggle in X, it's how things are done"
">I hate people who haggle in X"

>going to a place where prices aren't posted

>>1289990
I don't hate people who haggle, I hate when people with infinite purchase power relative to the person they haggle with make a point to negotiate for what amounts to nothing.
It's part of the game in a place like ladies market, everything is listed between 5 and 10x the actual price, and you should bargain. But don't make it last 10 more minutes because you WANT to save 10 more cents.

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>>1289992
>ask friends why they are haggling with the poor Thai street merchants
>"lol anon that's their culture, they expect it"

>>1289709
Goddamn does he know how to play the game

>>1289992
>>1289994
western nations
>prices are the same no matter who you are or where you come from
>simple, clean, impersonal transactions are expected

Asia
>salesman begs you to come into his shop
>looks at you like a you're literally a piggybank
>charges atleast 200% over market price

One thing westerners can't stand is gaudyness and flaunting class. When they are recognized as being wealthy, or are overcharged for something they know is cheaper in other places, they feel mistreated. Its everyones innate desire to be accepted, this goes beyond money. If haggling is part of the culture, they will haggle to be in it. Doesn't matter if they have the money not to.

>>1289927
was in Chiang Mai, had some 5-star hostel but got little carried away and managed to bancrupt myself. Fucking hookers. Even cheap hookers are expensive.

So i had to downgrade to a hostel, share a room with 12 people.

Result? Got laid as much but never paid for it. Hippie backpackers are the SLUTTIEST women, period.

>>1290003
I partially disagree. You can bargain in western countries in a variety of situations. When purchasing a car or a house. When walking in at a hotel, or renting a car, and so on (except during exceptionally busy periods, no one should pay the listed price). In B to B situations this is also the norm.
Of course it is much more prevalent in tourist parts of Asia, in a wider variety of situations and in a lot of B to C Scenarios. But you'd be surprised over how you can cut costs in the west.

When I see tourists bargaining like that it makes me feel they try to show dominance rather than being accepted tho.

>>1289986
dont act like youre superior because you go on hikes and look at rocks and shit. i do it plenty at home. i dont feel an urge to do it abroad. i dont feel like walking aroynd some griney city or exploring village huts after the first week. i dont do it back home at ALL

if you are still doing it, whats wrong with your head?

after some time abroad, you wanna just settle in a nice place, learn the languafe, and make friends like a normal human, not like some special snowflake who saw every single city or every single monument in the lonely planet guide

Man im living in hong kong atm and there was actually one of those white hippie couples playing the bongo with a sign that said "help us travel the world". Was tempted to just kick their money box over, fucking get a job hippies.

>>1290003
>Asia
Or Moldova

>>1290020
Oh shit everybody, we have a REAL TRAVELER on our hands here! Seems he was offended by the OP.

>>1289736
>We had dinner together in the city and enjoyed our first ENJOY motor bike adventure in Rome

It's like a movie ro some shit, surely these comments are bots?

>>1290046
opposite. a "real traveler" talks about monuments and ho great looking at rocks and shit is. cngrats, dude

>>1290020
>cooped in a filthy hostel
>learn the language
You still need to learn english?

>>1290005
Based
I'll rembernto slum it and save my pennies when i go

>>1290071
remember*
fucking drunk typing

>>1290003
I was talking about white western friends of mine haggling over ~1 dollar differences

>>1289604
>be me in nepal hostel
>some guitar douche is playing im yours to this pretty spanish girl
>smirk and ask if i can have a go
>gives me the biggest dirty and says "SURE" like some flabbergasted gay person
>start playing i love how you love me whilst giving the eyes to this spanish girl
>fucking nail it
>give the guitar back and go out for drinks
>come back a bit later and the spanish girl is waiting for me
>fuck her brains out
>guitar douche wasn't there in the morning

probably one of the greatest moments in my life

>>1290087
based Nepal anon

>>1290087
i hate the guy that asks to play the other guys guitar more than the guy playing guitar. I always like telling people no when they ask so I can see the expression on their face.

yes i play guitar, gj with the girl but you were both douches

>>1290087
>go out into the lobby
>everyone in the lobby is clapping for me
>a guy comes up and gives me a beer and $50
>albert einstein comes up and shakes my hand

Ah, good memories!!!

>>1290047
maybe he really is that dreamy, anon

>admitting to sex with a spanish girl

...

>>1290139
>admitting you've had sex
What's up fellow virgins?

>>1290097
>yes i play guitar, gj with the girl but you were both douches
Cry more bitch

>>1290153
lel k douche, anymore awesome stories about getting laid?

>>1289607
You wouldnt even believe.

>Don't ask me about my trip
https://matadornetwork.com/read/dont-ask-trip/

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>>1290100

>>1289626
>>1289604
God I hate people like this. Just shut the fuck up and let other people travel how they want, the only comments you should be saying to other tourists are 'oh that's cool' or 'you should visit X', not "why didn't you do Z" or "I would/have already done Y". No one wants your shitty comments about how you could have done everything they did but so much better/cheaper/more authentic.

>>1290279
>"LOOK AT ME, I HUNG OUT WITH POOR BROWN PEOPLE"
>that smug fucking smile
jesus christ
you just know she's a RealTraveller funded entirely by her parents

>>1289992
>, I hate when people with infinite purchase power relative to the person they haggle with make a point to negotiate for what amounts to nothing.
lol yeah no that's just typical self-hating westerner thinking m8

we earn like 1200€ a month, those guys earn 400€, it's not infinite difference at all, not even remotely
some faggot tries to sell me a djellaba for 20€ even though i can buy it for literally 1€ elsewhere ? AND I SHOULD BE OK WITH THIS SOMEHOW ? why ? 20€ is considerable amount for me too so no you can go fuck yourself abdul

>>1289982
>everythng loses its lustre, especially sports and sightseeing

Damn. Thank god I'm not, 'tismweenie. I don't even need to leave my house to get perspective.

>>1289684
>Plus if I have moderate cash I can go to Ukraine and get the best of both worlds.

What do you mean? What do you get in Ukraine?

>>1290047
I remember that movie, with Lizzie McGuire or whatever her name is? I used to think she was so sexy.

>>1290304
>thinks the normal life cycle is autism
>not autism

>>1289719
Singapore

>>1290279
>don't make polite conversation about the last few months of my life

>>1290291
1. Nice assomption
2. I seriously hope you don't think every Thai you meet earns the exact average salary for his country.
3. I never said you should never bargain, I said you should know when to stop and don't spend 20mn haggling for what amounts to 1ct in your home money.
4. Maybe this will become more obvious to you as you become wealthier, but your time actually has a value. Every day I don't work, I don't earn about 300 EUR. (I don't consider myself rich or anything but I certainly don't earn 1200€, my rent is above that). This is even truer when you're traveling and costs for only being in the country are adding up (tickets/visas/hotels/sights/whatever). So unless sweating for 20mn in a wet market over 2 baths is your real passion, at the end of the day you have just wasted your time. In your example, if you are set on 3€ for your djellaba and know this is the price you should pay, offer 2, let the guy counter offer, say "3, take it or leave it" and when he says no, just walk away. If he chases you you got what you wanted, if he let's you go then at least you didn't waste your time.

>>1290279
But we didn't ask and you still spilled your guts, silly cow

>>1290343
tl;dr European Thailand.

>>1290047
No, he just knows that's EXACTLY what movies show and that is EXACTLY what they expect. He gives that, they give themselves. Girls are pretty simple in this regard, and especially since they won't see him again.

>>1289982
Fucking reddit spacing

What's a good backpacking destination for someone backpacking the first time ? Have around 1500€ how long can i go with this money ?

>>1290386
1500 is not much really if you count flights. As a European you have a lot of budget airlines so use those and go to Eastern Europe or Morocco or Turkey. That amount of money will last anywhere from 1 to 4 months depending how cheap you travel but if you're just average budgeting I'd say you'll spend 15-30 euros per day. If you hitch, use couchsurfing and eat instant noodles you'll travel easily for 4 months on that budget.

>>1289604
I have met quite a lot of these hippie travelers and while I don't fully believe in their ideologies, I think they are able to fully enjoy their travels. All of the ones I met are just living life on a day to day basis and don't worry about things that most "career minded" people will do. A lot of them are actually quite nice people, sure they say some bullshit that makes your eyes spin but if you befriend them they will really be helpful.

>>1290364
>Maybe this will become more obvious to you as you become wealthier, but your time actually has a value. Every day I don't work, I don't earn about 300 EUR.
I don't care about your debate with the other guy but I just want to mention that this is a very very bad way of looking at life. If you live through life just thinking that every day is worth this much or that much you will never enjoy the freedom of travel. I used to think like you as well, sometimes I still get overwhelmed with thoughts of money and budgeting and how I might be wasting time traveling instead of earning as much as I can in life. The thing is, we have this privilege of traveling to have the freedom of doing something that doesn't tie us down, to have adventures. If you're constantly thinking about back home and work you will never have that truly free feeling.

I know, maybe this is some real traveler bullshit but I believe everyone should at some point experience true freedom to explore their passions, whatever they are. We're not meant to work our whole lives and then just die.

>>1290389
Can last more than 4 months with 100 euros if you budget right

>>1290386
Depends where you are to save on flights, I'm going thailand/malaysia for my first time but i love in australia so flights aren't that expensive

>>1290394
I also believe most people like OP's picture are genuinely benevolent, and that there are nice people under the dreadlocks, beads and feather and occasional fleas/dirt.

I also think you are genuinely benevolent with your reply to my post, however this is, like, your opinion about the "good" way to enjoy oneself while traveling.
Unfortunately for me, my hobbies are expensive somehow, and my ability to indulge in them the way I enjoy is linked to my disposable income which is linked to my ability to work.
I haven't managed to automatize my revenue as I need to be physically there to work, I'm self employed.
But don't worry I enjoy myself a lot, and do nit feel the least a prisoner of my "ways".

>>1290054
I don't think you know what the REAL TRAVELER is my friend.

> Just spends their time drinking and hanging around a hostel then tells others how they should spend their time traveling
> Tries to act superior because they have no job or commitments in life
> "been doing this for months"

Confirmed ""REAL TRAVELER""

>>1289626

Stayed in a hostel in Buenos Aires and one of my roommates was spending 8 weeks there

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>>1290411
>most people like OP's picture are genuinely benevolent

I completely agree with this. To quote Peep Show, "You're not a bad person, but I'm afraid to say you are a moron."

These run-of-the-mill RealTravellers™ are irritating, tiresome and most of all scared. They've got no real solid base of personality, so grab whatever they can to construct a thin shield of "knowledge" and an aroma of pretense.

Nose ring, puffy pants, dreadlocks and Wonderwall. That's all they need to try and produce some sense of self. Plus an iPhone to filter the image of their exotic, trustafarian lives through to the peeps back home in the West.

Who am I to judge how they want to live, but this is 4chan. If there was a type of traveller I didn't have to bump into, these are the one's I'd go for. They are a product of the selling of travel, but now we're all connected with blogs and wifi, they seem to be the majority on social media.

I'm ranting, but this is a big personal peeve.

hey bois i'm going to bangkok alone next month

i booked a decent hotel and planed on making social using tinder but i'm reconsidering cancelling the hotel and just staying at a hostel instead to meet people in there, and if i want to bang someone from tinder just get a hotel room for the night or whatever

i don't particularly mind hostels (i just stay away from doods like OP described), i'm 22 and i've spent 1.5 of those years living in hostels, and my current flatmates were really cool people i met in the last hostel i lived in here in london

it will be 7 nights, I'm trying to visit a lot of places in the world before next year because my company is saying that from next year on we will all work from home, wherever in the world that is so I'm trying to find a place i like for that (guys, become web developers asap, this is based)

can trv recommend some bkk hostels? i've been told to stay near silom

>>1290452
is this satire?

>>1290454
why would it be, no

if i travel with my friends then i get hotel rooms, but travelling alone i think it's better to go to hostels to meet people

>>1290452
>>1290454
I don't give a fuck about the rest of your retarded post but I would also like to know of some half decent bangkok hostels

>>1290457
>>1290461

It's not the appropriate thread for your post.

>memeiest post on /trv/ in months
>devolves into arguments about hostels and regions
>/trv/ can't even meme real traveller ™ their only original meme
If this board was real life it would choke on its own vomit

>>1290514
there are actual real travelers in this thread bashing what they think a real traveler is. It's still a great board though, give it some credit.

>>1289604
I think I've met this guy

>>1289709
Patrick's dick game is strong. Saluted.

>>1290585
you have to wonder how many american men are "overreacting" at this very moment over him

>>1290611
Literally anyone would be pissed some slimey looking eurocuck is getting mad vagena

>>1290616
>>1290611
It's almost as if he had fake profiles write those comments so that girls aren't scared of being hosted by him so he could bang them. Then again, a lot of girls probably go to Italy to get fucked by some greasy Italian guy cause they read too many romance books.

>>1290616
I put "overreact" in quotations for a reason, it's a perfectly legit reaction for any guys those girls find themselves in a relationship with. I'm not making light of somebodies personal situation if it sucks like that, I'm just partaking in a little dark humor to chase that bitter gulp of my own experiences down. It's much easier to just laugh at women like that.

>>1290628
airbnb and couchsurfing both have that kind of behavior, the question to me as an american is how i could ever get in on that without getting rape charges coming my way.

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>>1290087

>>1290396
It's easy if you don't use drugs or drink booze. Otherwise, 100 bucks means fuck all.

>DUDE I'M A REAL TRAVELER I STAY IN THE SAME HOSTEL FOR 3 MONTHS DOING LITERALLY NOTHING ALL DAY LMAO

It reminds me of a friend of mine that went on a 4 month trip and stayed one month in the same spot scuba diving for a month, like in the same fucking location, it's so fucking stupid

>>1290771

>been travelling for 6 years
>usually spend 1-3 months in each location

How triggered are you anon?

>>1290777
Not at all, I mean, that's your choice I just think you're a fucking retards

>>1290771
How dare he thoroughly explore the ocean! What sort of degenerate inbred retard is he???!!!!!!

damn, man.

>>1290351
>used to think

She is still pretty hot

>>1290003
happens in western nations too
a turkish tailor charged me 30% more for the same thing than my brother, presumably because he has a darker complexion than me.

>>1290771
Are you retarded? Diving is awesome and depending on where he went, i'd have done the same thing, nothing better than diving with a bunch of buddies in a tropical location for days without quit

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>>1290892
>Turkey
>a western nation

>>1290892

How is Turkey western? Not in the E.U, Muslim vs Christian, most of the western side of the country is shit.

Apart from Constantinople that whole place is brown.

>>1289604
Well the thing is people do spend way too much money in Thailand, for a marginally more "comfortable" experience. I spent a month in Thailand traveling across the country, and $30 /day was pushing it. I averaged out at about $20/day. It also depends what your circumstances are. If you're traveling as a couple, want private rooms, etc. of course it's going to cost a little more. If you're going to the prostitutes, those services cost more. If you're living there long term, then you would probably want rent, utilities, and an Internet connection, which would cost more than hostel life.

>>1289607
>>1289617
Most of the people I lodged with were vagabonders (more like middle class trust fund young adults that are traveling the world for a year or two, some Israelis that came out of conscription to do the same, etc.) They're not really as annoying as OP makes them out to be.

>>1290975
>Constantinople

;)

>>1290771
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE

>>1290360

Singapore is an islamic country, retard, it has a large number of muslims, in addition to being surrounded by islamic countries.

Muh geography.bat

>>1291131
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Singapore

You're wrong

>>1291131
ha, i swear i thought the same thing. somehow i was wrong too, just letting you know you aren't alone in your thoughts. i have no idea at what point in time singapore became a secular nation but it's not muslim and it never was.

>>1291141
>islam 14%

Europe is 5% and they're having terror attacks daily

>>1291131
you are fucking retarded
the only significant muslim are either Malays or expats from Bangladesh or Pakistan

>>1289709
Reeeeeeeee

>>1291153
the chinese execute people for murder and rape and theb depirt their children

europeans are faggots and also mentally disabled. the smart europeans have already fled and only trash with a taste for fancy coffee and other luxuries they can hold over the heads of others while simultaneously complainIng about consumerism remains

>>1291153
And Bosnia is 51% and they have grilled bacon with schnapps on the daily... hmmm

holy shit I met a psycho just like that in Vietnam. Seemed like a nice guy at first but he started stealing shit like sun screen and mocked us for needing to eat lunch. At one point he started yelling at a very sweet waitress who couldn't understand any English and I told him to shut the fuck up. totally killed the vibe of the evening but I couldn't stand to be around this sociopath. Also he was laughing hysterically that I paid 600 more baht for a counterfeit north face bag than he did. Other things include him getting his dick "forcibly" sucked by a gay dude before he met us

He just latched on to me and my buddy for a few days. Should have known better. There's some more fucked up things he did but he had good Cambodian weed and hooked me up with a local Viet girl so I look back on that memory with mixed feelings. Anyway, be careful who you travel with

>>1289843
Because they ARE poor, and have to justify it to themselves that it's great instead of working on bettering their financial situation (because that would involve work).

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>>1291323
Not really, it's like finding a really good sale. I happen to love Thai food and all other Asian food. I freak out when I get to country and it's like a 75% off sale on all my favorite dishes and sometimes they even taste better. Then there is the fact that I have to pay 60 dollars for a shitty hotel room in the states where I might get murdered by a crackhead whereas in a country like Thailand I can spend 40 dollars and have a pool, free buffet breakfast, and large flatscreen tv in my room. Then there are all the crafted products that would also cost twice as much back home. I mean really, why even ask such a stupid question? A better question is why you think everyone should have to work so hard for simple things that are overpriced and often just a farce of what they should actually be in the western world. We reached our breaking point a long time ago and most of our food and products have gone to shit.

A lot of those people are very unhappy back home in spite of all the money and flash that surrounds them, so it's refreshing to go somewhere that has a lot of happy people but not a lot of flash or glamour. It's just a positive spin on reality most people don't get to see. Then there is also getting away from materialistic assholes that can only place value on something if they know how their friends back home will feel about it. I like my thai curry to cost 2.50, I don't give a shit what you or the folks back home think. Fuck me if I can't explain why this is, but it just is. I'm also perfectly fine with you spending half your year working off your SUV with nice rims noone will give a shit about in 5 years, fuck me if I don't know why you care so much about how I live my life when I could give a shit how you care yours.

>>1291329
I love a bargain as much as the next guy, but the question was "Why do so many travelers fetishize being poor?", which clearly doesn't apply to you.

>I don't know why you care so much about how I live my life when I could give a shit how you care yours.

I really don't, but given the longwinded post and pathetic photo, you clearly do, you overcompensating mong. I'm literally autistic but you're on another level.

>>1291329
You make it sound like "rich" (by your definition) people are unhappy and that you are happier with cheap stuff because you figured out the correct way to spend one's money. Except that some people have the flashy suv AND can afford to travel lushly.
Your opinion and your ways are no better than anyone else's, and to be frank you sound like you are actually rationalizing more than anything else.

>Enjoy your fancy 2.50 curry while I feast on free packets of salt stolen from a restaurant. Want some caviar and diamonds with your rich man's meal? Ha! You have fallen for the meme of spending large amounts for foods that will end in poop anyway!

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>>1291355
>pathetic photo

My photo was suitable for the subject at hand, and it's not meant to be taken too seriously. I thought Biff would get people's attention, but after people reading my post I thought they would get the irony behind it. It looks like you missed the boat on that one.

I think the idea of travelers fetishizing being poor does apply to me though, because I think some people might spend a few days with me and think I am one of those types. My overall point is some people need to look deeper into what people are doing when they meet them overseas. On the other hand, maybe they shouldn't look so deep and just consider they have met someone that is enjoying life. It's funny how that rage could be directed at someone that is violent or a con artist, but instead you focus it on some hippy that wants to eat salted grass in Cambodia.

>>1289992
>>1290291

I hate hippies as much as the next person, but I can tolerate relentless bargaining.

For instance, I lived in India two years. While my stay wasn't continuous, I've spent more than enough time in and around New Delhi to have a good feel for navigation, routes, fares and pricing.

I will haggle over differences as small as $.50 or $.60 with auto-rickshaw drivers, because most of them are predatory cunts.

By law, they're supposed to travel only using their meter. However, almost all of them will say the meter is "broken" or drive off the second you request they use it.

They opt instead to squeeze as much extra out of you as possible.

If you forfeit the relatively minuscule amount of $2 or $3 per day by conceding to small over-charges, that amounts to between $60 and $90 per month - the cost of a comfortable and well-furnished one-bedroom flat in Delhi is $200-$300, depending on the neighborhood.

Sometimes it can take 20 minutes just to find a driver who will take you anywhere for less than 5 or 10x the ordinary fare, and that's especially true if you're white. A thirty-rupee minimum fare becomes 100 for a gora, and a 150 rupee fare from the train station to South Delhi magically becomes 800 or 900. A lot of these guys will also try to trick first-time visitors into going to rip-off tourist offices, telling them that their hotel burned down, part of the city is closed due to rioting, or some other bullshit. While that might sound obvious, if you're fresh in India and have been on an airplane or traveling for 15 or 20 or 30 hours, your mind might not be on 100%.

So while I'm pretty lenient in other places, I don't let folks in India take advantage of me, because a dollar here and a dollar there can transform into a significant sum of the course of weeks or months.

If you want to shit on me for not making $500,000,000 per year and caring about an extra $100 or $200 disappearing monthly, go for it.

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>>1291376
>fuck me if I don't know why you care so much about how I live my life when I could give a shit how you live yours.

I think you missed that part, but it might have been because I missed a word.

>and to be frank you sound like you are actually rationalizing more than anything else.

I am rationalizing my lifestyle. I do that all the time. It's call self reflection and understanding why I made the choices I made so I can prevent myself from making the same mistakes in the future. It's crazy that a lot of my best memories have happened in poorer areas of the world, and that is where I met some of the friendliest people too. I never did volunteer work, and I visit those areas for the amazing food and crafts I can get on the cheap. It's not because I'm a good person, it's just that I genuinely enjoy it. It's possible you are the one rationalizing my lifestyle because you need to feel superior. This might be because you are overworked? I'm not really sure, but you think too much about people that like getting good bargains in foreign countries. I've had big budget trips and they are fucking miserable, mostly because you just deal with fake smiles on people that work in the service industry. It's fucked up that some people only get a few weeks off every year, and they spend over 5k on a week in a country where the workers literally have to be overpaid so they can pretend to be happy to see them. Then there are the middle aged people you have to share the hotel with that will spend hours contemplating if the water in their 4 star hotel is safe to shower in. Enjoy that though.

>>1291378

Well, I'll add on to what I wrote:

I can tolerate relentless bargaining, within reason.

If somebody has a respectable budget or is traveling short-term, I think it's kind of silly. I also don't understand what would make somebody want to take a months-long trip without being able to afford to eat properly.

I'm in Tanzania now, and, while I bargain, I don't care too much about getting the "right" price for things unless it's a commodity or typical service (I.e., Coca-Cola is always 1,000 shillings, the bus ride from my village to Stone Town is always 1,000 shillings, and so forth).

Same deal in Colombia and Mexico and elsewhere, I didn't give a fuck about a few pesos here and a few pesos there.

Guess I've got some doublethink going on.

>>1289704
People in hostels are exactly like that and are annoying stinky cunts

>>1291381
Yeah I was about to say that your example was kinda off topic because when you become a local you go by different rules.
But as you pointed out in that 2nd post, a tourist that has spent thousands in hotel, transportation, cameras and tourist attire should be able to let go when the lady in the market asks for 1HKD more than he felt like spending.

>>1291378
>almost all of them will say the meter is "broken" or drive off the second you request they use it.
Maybe you or someone can explain this to me. These fuckers are poor already and yet they'd rather not get a reasonable fare and earn nothing than to pick someone up for a normal price. What's their reasoning here? In India there's millions of these auto-rickshaws, if one doesn't pick you up another one will. If all the drivers are unhappy with their fees then maybe they should all set them higher for everyone...I know it's not how it works in that part of the world, maybe reasoning shouldn't be applied here. It's just seems really stupid to me that earning 0 is better than earning less than you wanted to but still earning something.

>>1291413
A lot of tourists are assholes or have no idea wtf they are doing, cab drivers or people in the service industry get tired of dealing with bs so if they aren't going to get a little extra they will just go find a local that won't be a bother. There is also controlling the market, if all of them refuse to take tourists for a lower price, then they can all get a little extra from the tourist. Then they might also just resent you for having money and not giving them an extra dollar when it will go far for them and not far for you.

I prefer to give a few extra dollars sometimes because they aren't begging, they are working their asses off. I usually tip afterward though. I like giving extra money to honest people that do their job well, especially when it will help them out and make their day better. It also leads to an overall better atmosphere. I don't like it when people scam or hike up the prices though, so like I said, I usually give it afterward.

>>1291381
Yeah it's only annoying when you can tell the person knows you have spent a lot of time there and they have no issue just ripping you off.

>>1291413
thats why these countrys are poor

because they are literally stupid and lazy

the places where people are marginally more honest, less srupid, and less lazy, they are less poor in equal proportion

>>1291413
>>1291417

For the record, auto-rickshaw drivers don't solely target foreign tourists. The vast majority of their customers are other Indians.

Many auto-walas will take the chance to squeeze a few extra rupees out of any unsuspecting client, regardless of their nationality. Visitors from cities like Mumbai and Jaipur and Agra are asked for abnormally high fares too, although the premiums are rarely as bloated as those requested form foreigners.

So far as price-gouging as a business strategy goes: I read an article or a report which suggested that auto-rickshaw drivers don't earn more money being honest and turning on the meter. There was a program which took place in Delhi some time ago, wherein some rickshaw-walas were 'rehabilitated.' They put signs on their vehicles saying they'd only use the meter, and agreed to abide by that rule for a month.

All the while, they recorded their earnings, with the hypothesis being that they'd earn more by doing their jobs in accordance with the law.

However, most turned back to scamming by the end of the month, because they wound up earning less doing considerably more.

To add onto this >>1291417 with my own experience: I very rarely tip auto-rickshaw drivers in India, because so few of them are actually honest. The last time I got a driver who turned his meter on and didn't tell me a sob story about his starving family, I let him keep 400 Rs in change as a NYE present.

>>1291418

>>>/pol/

>>1290892
>turkey
>the example I was thinking of when writing my post

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>>1289816
>fat girl from Detroit
>fat girl
>fat

was this really important for the story?

>>1291657
>fat girl from Detroit
>fat girl
>girl

was this really important for the story?

>>1291657
>fat girl from Detroit
>from Detroit
>Detroit

was this really important for the story?

>>1289604
I'm such a minimalist traveler it's hard to imagine even bringing a guitar along, I'm just impressed that some of these people managed to do that.

I'm poor so I just be afraid that somebody would steal it, I also have no idea how to play guitar so yeah that would be embarrassing.

Although I'm mock Real Travelers, I do have some respect for them on those grounds.

>>1291381
>I'm in Tanzania now, and, while I bargain, I don't care too much about getting the "right" price for things unless it's a commodity or typical service (I.e., Coca-Cola is always 1,000 shillings, the bus ride from my village to Stone Town is always 1,000 shillings, and so forth).

I find it applies to larger value purchases as well - take Kilimanjaro as an example. A cursory search with tell you to expect to pay between $1500 and $3000 to climb the mountain, depending on your route and tour operator. Even allowing for slight differences, there's no real justification for such a huge gap in these prices.

And that's without even considering the price you'd get if you were to arrange it in Arusha/Moshi instead, assuming you had the flexibility in your schedule to turn up and slot in with a group.

>>1291887
What if I just fly to the area and walk straight up the mountain myself. How much would that cost?

Does it swing when you walk? Click here to enlarge.

>>1291891
Unfortunately it's not an option, permits are only given with guides. You can manage to get rid of a lot of the excess that companies include as standard, but guides are mandatory.

The fees for being on the mountain in $120 a day (park entrance and camping fees) last time I checked, and 6/7 day routes are the most common. It's not a cheap trip by any means.

>>1290983
>some Israelis that came out of conscription
>They're not really as annoying

Yes they fucking are. I fucking loath them, the cheap, obnoxious broken-English speaking childish fucks.

>t. an Israeli

>>1289665
What's that pic from?

>>1289607
I've never interacted with one/seen one

>>1292040

>you aren't as smart as you think you are
>arrogant

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I literally just shared my experience dealing with auto-rickshaw drivers in India and referred to a study on how much they earn.

I didn't even trying making a point.

Grow up.

>>1292047
Your point was that anyone that argues for basic market functions belongs on pol

We were talking about indian earnings related to trv. Anon asked a question and i answered it reasonably

Now my post has gotten deleted twice as "off topic" even though it is accurate and can be backed up by nearly every economist

Sorry, anon, dishonesty is the BIG reason why they are poor. Your study fails basic research criteria

Go ahead and delete this again mods. Go ahead and permaban me. I conyribute heavily from several platforms to a number of boards. If you really want to lower the quality of the board by banning on topic posts go right ahead

>>1292050

No, that wasn't my point, or even slightly, sort of, or marginally related to my point.

I told you to go to /pol/ because you made a blanket statement along the lines of "poor countries are poor because the people are stupid and lazy."

If you think that this >>1291418 answer is 'reasonable,' you need to do some serious introspection.

I'm not saying that because I'm against controversial or politically incorrect points of view. If you can make an argument with supporting facts and data, go the fuck ahead. Call everyone in India and other poor countries retarded pieces of shit, but don't write two sentences saying 'lol they're dumb' and think you're making a compelling argument.

>>1292053
They are dumb though. Also, lazy.

When indians got to malaysia and singapore they had to start working harder. ASK THEM. Thry are miserable trying to keep up with the chinese. But they try. And when thry try, their incomes rise.

Income levels depend almost entirely on cultural aspects concerning work. They study longer and harder here in malaysia. Doubly so in singapore. THEY THEMSELVES WILL TELL YOU THIS.

In india most businesses are run by corrupt family or clan monopolies that exclude other castes (not always high caste btw.) when they have a caste monopoly, they make money, of not a lot, and its guaranteed money. So they dont work hard, unless they are whipping their slaves.

This latter point flows into honesty.

So you see? They ARE corrupt and they ARE lazy and they ARE generally not bright

This drags down their incomes on a societal basis. They dont even have a functioning deed system for property.

This fact about the deed systemn that is DATA. If you want a chart quantifying iq per income ypu will reject it. If you want a chart quantifying rickshaw effort vs income, get lost, you know that isbimpossible.

>>1292053
Also, the post you quoted was NOT the substantive ones i made. The substantive ones got deleted, i can only assume because thr idea of friction in exchange or market prices triggers you

>>1292054
Have you actually traveled, sir?

>>1292066
That isnt a counterargument to widely accepted financial practice.

Unlike you, when INDIAN financiers invest their money, if they are wrong they lose their jobs AND all of their money

You can be wrong 100/100 times and still spew bull on the net

Why do people stay at hostels? A decent hotel in Thailand costs as low as £20 per day.
I don't want or need some smelly hippies and SJW's in the same room or smirking when I bang qt ladyboys.

>>1292066
Indian financiers amd economists are the ones saying india is lazy and corrupt, by the way. In case you couldnt figure that out

>>1292097
>not awing the dirty hippies and broke youths in the hostel as you shatter the poster bed with your 460 degree inverted suplex choke slam thrust with a 55 year old thai tranny that has a 13 inch dick and subside her nutrition solely on fermented cum than leaving a river of man bisque everywhere that the thai authority has to contain the area as a hazard zone

>>1292097
yes I agree but these people want to hang out with these SJW rich cunts that pretend to be poor and a real traveller I hate these people and thats why I hate hostels

>>1291911
as an israeli too i second this, you get this shit alot in nepal and india where you see signs with hebrew writing on them, for me whenever i see them it's high time to get the fuck out of there and look for somewhere else because that usually means hordes of israeli post-military service looking to piss on everyone else and just release all their energy from the army on less deserving people

>>1292154
You fags need to keep your tribe in line

You can get thrown in prison for saying that in half of europe and theyre trying to outlaw saying it everywhere else

Its not only your young kids just getting out of military. You guys seem to create problems everywhere

>>1292154
Surprisingly, Israelis are the only people which I consistently found shitty when I met one. Like a good 90% of the time, it was a cheap arrogant racist fuck.

And I'm French, I have got a high tolerance to shitty arrogant people, but you guys are something else.

>>1292160
Also an Israeli
Can confirm, unless they're "ashkenazi" (aka white jews) they're shit 99% of the time

>>1292160
Gee, I wonder if this is at all related to historical perceptions of them. No, couldn't be!

>>1292162
Considering I was raised in a VERY liberal family and environment, against all kind of stereotypes and so on, I don't think so.

Usually I would find excuse to bad stereotypes like :
> their government is evil but not the people
> you just need to get to know them
> it was just this one guy, don't expand it

It would work for Iranians, Algerians and so on. But I couldn't with Israelis.

I'm not talking about the /pol/ merchant nonsense obviously, but the prominence to arrogance and racism is real.

>>1292161
Also from my own experience i met an arab-israeli who backpacked through asia for 7 months alone, the guy was one of the most chilled out dudes i've ever met in my life, he always hung out with all sorts of different people (contrary to the typical israeli backpacker), now just a note to others it's almost unheard-of to find an arab israeli who travels to those areas in the world (hell i've never met anyone else like him) so it was an interesting encounter for me

>>1292165
But cheap, demeaning to others, and ynwarranted sense of arrogancr is exactly the pol meme.

And pol got those memes from hitler, and hitler got those memes from hisyorical documents about thr expulsion of jews from 100 different countries.

>>1292165
Israel is a democracy, so the government was elected by the people, this means that these loons in the parliament are actually representative of what the majority of the population think is deemed fit to rule the government.

On the other hand Iran for the most part is a dictatorship (true they have elections but the supreme leader of the islamic council or w/e has to approve the appointee) so that's why it's only a government thing for them.

>>1292165
Isn't thinking solely through the lens that you were raised to think in the very definition of closed mindedness?

No one is impressed you can recite equality nursery rhymes.

>>1289955
>The worst is wwofing, like why the fuck would you travel to do manual labour?

It's one of the best ways to experience local life. Rather than spend ridiculous amounts of money on accommodation and tourist activities, you pick an interesting job you'd never otherwise do (i.e. working in a traditional hotel, teaching English to local kids, carpentry), learn new skills and become part of the community. No better way to experience local lifestyle, food, and language. Even got me hooked up on a couple of occasions.

>>1290420
>>1290411
>They've got no real solid base of personality, so grab whatever they can to construct a thin shield of "knowledge" and an aroma of pretense.

So does everyone in their late teens/early twenties. I know I was a bit like that. Doesn't matter if you're travelling or whatever. Not to say I don't find it annoying, but I can kind of understand it at least.

>>1292165

Literally this one guy shitting up the entire thread.

>>1292195
youre arguing with someone who thinks farm work is for stupid people, who thinks he is superior, doesnt want to get his hands dirty, and probably voted for clinton or merkel

and he thinks hes superior to you too. good luck talking to him civilly

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>>1292154
>A
>>1292156
>>1292160
>>1292161
>>1292162
>>1292165
>>1292167
>>1292171
pathetic shilling just makes you look bad. I hung out with a group of Israeli backpackers, met all their Israeli friends, met plenty of people that were conscripts. I got along with almost all of them. There are places where they are banned but the same goes for Koreans, Africans, Chinese, in some areas. Whenever there is a large group of one nationality, some of them cause trouble and get a bad rep. Israelis flood specific countries, so people get upset with the whole group sometimes. They are usually some of the better people I meet traveling because they warm up to people fast and actually seemed to be the opposite of arrogant if you don't act like an ass yourself.


>>1291867
Real travelers are just people that think they know the right way to travel and criticize others for the way they travel. They usually tend to be the hippy types, but it could also include an asshole that mocks people who fly economy class.

>>1292213
Well I don't like wooffing because it's for criminal minded farmers that should be paying their citizens a working wage. That is pretty much all volunteer work.

>but we can't afford to pay them

THEN YOU CANT RUN A BUSINESS, stop fucking up the local economy with free labor. It hurts everyone but the landowner.

>>1292219

Holy fuck, dude.

Not the guy you're responding to, but you were trying to shit on me earlier, too.

You're making the same shit-quality arguments as you were in the morning and last night. Moreover, you respond to everyone who disagrees with your unsubstantiated opinions within minutes.

Get a fucking life outside of 4chan, my man.

>>1292217
who are the worst? you are racist against that group. if you name americans you are racist againat their diverse culture.

you are racist. cease thisvline of thought citizen. all humans are equally offensive, even murderers and isis

>>1292219
wwoofing is hardly a steady stream of labor for an agricultural economy. did you read freakanomics in between totally sick bong hits bro and suddenly imagine yourself to be a genius?

you are an idiot. also, you are probably a pompous asshole politically. please shut up

>>1289982
>i have drinks many nights
>and no, i dont do drugs

Alcohol is a drug you stupid chimp

>>1290291
>we earn like 1200€ a month
hahaha what the fuck then you're a third worlder too, why are you even on this site

>>1292280
thats probably the average income of an educated european or american under 30

>>1292282
wtf

i get twice that in neetbux in Germany lol

>>1292283
really? last german guy i talked to worked full time and didnt make that. it explains why your country ia fucked

older americans are filthy rich but younger ones are quite poor. someing like 90%, of amweicans cant write a 500 dollar check

keep that in mind the next time some idiot whines about wealth inequality

>>1292285
sucks to be you land of the opportunity and you still can't make a normal salary
why don't you just do youtube videos?

>>1292286
ah, yes, youtube videos. that'll fix the economy

brilliant

ill get right to it after i finish my pro basketball career

>>1292217
>let me tell you about your people the post
yeah right, if you got along with all of them so well you might be some sort of a douchebag yourself.
Just saying.

>>1291913
Empire of Dust

>>1292217
>assholes get along with other assholes
wow imagine my shock

>>1292217
>>1292217

>calls everyone who doesn't agree with him arrogant
>can't formulate a single opinion not based on memes

Get the fuck off of /trv/, you faggot. Nobody wants you here.

>OMG anon I love to travel last year I went to Hawaii
>went for three days and stayed at a resort
>comes back claiming to be cultured and see the world "so differently"

>meanwhile I have lived in three different countries the past three years
>people worldwide are really just the same
>I have to hear these vapid morons claim that they know so much about the world after their two week vacation

Pretty fucking annoying desu.

>>1292319
wow ur so cultured xD! someday i hope i can be as fucking awesome as you! upvoted btw :)

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>>1292222
i like 4s, but really don't tell me to get a life when you are stalking me here. You put too much effort into figuring out my post history to lecture anyone about their time management. I don't know who you are but you and your buddies here...

>>1292223
>>1292226
>>1292303
>>1292310
>>1292318
need to realize that my experience was different than your experience, so I don't have an issue with Israeli backpackers. They all seemed pretty cool.

Also, volunteer work that takes local jobs is wrong and I'll keep calling it wrong.

It's unrelated but I also find asian women attractive, take that however you like.

Sorry if your jimmies are rustled, but thanks for the added bonus of getting to watch posters try to make ad hominem attacks on an anonymous forum.

>>1292319
There are two hundred countries in the world and you've lived in three, congratu-fucking-lations. You're as bad as the strawman you created.

>>1289704
this here

>>1292282
I make just over $3200 USD/month

>t. 27 year old burger worker a tech gig

>>1289709
an italian Ciad

>>1292424
>working in tech
>making less than $40 000 a year

anon...

>>1292444
That's the take-home, after the government's cut and a large chunk going into a 401k. Yearly salary is 60k gross.

>>1292446
good for you. i estimate 60% of educated people under 30 are unemplpyed and those that are, are working for 2~3k a month before taxes

>>1292353

There's no effort involved - every post you make is fucking obvious.

>hurrrrrr you're all arrogant
>hurrrrrr stupid, pompous
>hurrrrrr these studies I've read

Everything you write reeks of actual, unadulterated autism.

>>1292482
the >studies ive read part rustles me the most

this is really what colleges these days are churning out, huh?

>>1292489
Not colleges, containment boards like /pol/ and /r9k/ which are leaking again.

>>1292490
poltards dont brag about studies theyve read. they post sources

these guys pretend to read to sound smart. theyre all leftists

>>1292499
/r9k/ posts "I've read numerous studies" without links. /pol/ posts links to extreme rightwing nutjob blogs which contain unsourced drivel and conspiracy theories.

>>1292499
>>1292499
Go to /his/ and they'll tell you the tendency of /p*l/ to either use biased or unconfirmed sources of pull it ouf their ass

>>1292505
might be with r9k

most pol sources are accurate. post damore fiasco you cant deny that legitimate sciencr is being banned from media

i have for a fact seen hundreds of college grads cite literary criticism as a legitimate source of financial, ecinimic, or scientific evidence, though

ill take the poltards, who sre now half the country, thanks

>>1292499

>leftists
>talking about a guy who says farm workers and people in poor countries are "stupid"

Wait, that guy is probably you.

>>1292517
i said people in poor countries are generally more stupid. it is true

the other anon looks down on farm workers because he sees himself as a higher class who is above physical labor

if you have 100 iq you can realize the difference

>>1292319
>meanwhile I have lived in three different countries the past three years
Home country + where have you lived, senpai?

>people worldwide are really just the same

They ain't though.

>I have to hear these vapid morons claim that they know so much about the world after their two week vacation

I'm one of those, debate me.

>>1292462
I think your estimate is way off and you're fucking retarded.

>>1292582
i estimate if it eas higher the economy would be better, and that you suffer from dunning kruger

they fall right below the income threshold to buy cars and qualify for loans. which they dont.

>>1292219
I think you are right. Most of the time the worker is not getting much out of this exchange. Seriously if you do hard physical work for somebody you should get paid.

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>>1292482
>>1292489
I never talked about studies....what? What is even going on now?

My two main points are that Israelis are alright in my opinion, and doing wwoofing or volunteer work actually hurts local economies. Some of the best friends I made while backpacking were Israelis.

Leftist are the ones that are typically wwoofing because they have been duped into thinking working for free is somehow virtuous, but this is only because they have a home and parents to go back to. They are literally sharecroppers of our day, if you don't know what a sharecropper is read about the post Civil War USA. And go figure, most leftist were dixiecrats during that time and they supported slavery and segregation. It's funny how they have still managed to get people to tend their fields or do other volunteer work for room and board. The same goes for free internships. It's all bullshit. There are people more qualified that need the job, but the business pays these kids for free. Other businesses that do the right thing and pay people can't compete with slave labor.

>>1292598
People that have never had to do manual labor for their next meal just don't realize this. They really don't realize it when it's all they have and it goes to a volunteer from a developed country.

stop shitting up the threads lads, I want to hear some RealTraveller™ clichés and stories

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>>1292707
>And go figure, most leftist were dixiecrats during that time and they supported slavery and segregation.
>mixing up the US democratic party with left-wing politics
You are such a fucking moron, it's actually incredible. Don't post about politics again

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>>1289626

>tfw the hostel gets invaded by a swarm of 20something yo german hippy girls with rastas, crop tops, and indian baggy pants who walk barefoot all over the common areas

>>1289617
After your 3rd night in Zoe in Yellow bar when you've heard the same backpacker story about trekking/undiscovered beach/amazing conversation with a local and the other backpacker memes just remember that you can leave at any time. Behind Zoe in Yellow there is an awesome rock bar called Pentatonic rock bar and if you really need a break from these people dress smartly (for Thailand, ie. no shorts and vest tops) and get a motor bike taxi to the wake up cafe on the Nimman road. You will have a lot more fun with the local students and young people, trust me.

>>1292050
why are you so angry? chill, /trv/ is an exclusive hang out for me and my frenzeez

>>1292353
just stumbled into this thread and I can definitively tell you you need to turn off the monitor and go outside. maybe meditate or get some black tea at a cozy bistro, actually get green tea .. less caffeine.

>>1292749
nice jpg, the point still stands. wwoofing is basically the same as the share cropper arrangement, and leftists were the proponents of both.

>>1292789
>just stumbled into this thread

be honest here, we all know you are just mad I like Israelis

Why are these people always Dutch? Why does the Netherlands export obnoxious hippies in such great volume? I run into them even in non-hostel situations. I've met people like this at Peninsula hotels all over the world, they are always Dutch

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>>1289604


/TRV/ GIVE ME COURAGE!!!!!!!!

I'M STARING AT SEVERAL FLIGHTS FOR A LONG VACATION (3 WEEKS) AND CAN'T FIND THE BALLS TO BOOK ANYTHING... BECAUSE I KNOW IF I KEEP DELAYING THE FLIGHTS WILL BE GONE AND I WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THIS, I NEVER TRAVELED ALONE BEFORE!

TELL ME IT'S GOING TO BE OK! TELL ME JUST TO ROLL THE DICE AND HOPE FOR THE BEST! HELP ME!

>>1292873
PLS

HOW TO NOT GET SCARED

>>1292873
You can do it anon, you will be the bravest sperg of them all. I believe in you.

Anyway, unless you plan to go fishing in Afghanistan, you'll be just fine. Pick any plane tickets and go. Once the payment is made, there is no more fear, just excitement.

Accomodation and the rest will sort itself out in time.

>>1292873
U will be alright bro
Hostels are fun afternoon and if it's too much get a private room.
U will easily make friends

>>1292873
>>1292882
>>1292889
>>1292891

I DID IT YOU FUCKERS

I bought some plane tickets. I pushed myself into the train doors and they closed behind me because the tickets are on-refundable and fuck me I think I might have made a mistake but the train is going. Shit. Well, wish me luck.

>>1292928
Good luck anon! thanks for giving me inspiration to make my own adventuring alone dreams a reality.

Worked with the female version of OP's pic. Nice enough girl, but she was always talking about the one trip she took to Cambodia which changed her life. I don't doubt that it did, but every fucking time we spoke, she managed to weasel it into the conversation.

>when I was bartending in Cambodia
>oh yeah I bought this dress when I was in Cambodia
>omg this one time in Cambodia
>I wish I was still there now boohoo
>this heat is nothing compared to when I was in Asia

By the end of our employment together I wanted to throttle her. She would always talk down to me when it came to travelling and how I had never been to SEA. One trip and she was suddenly the authority on all trips worldwide. Fucking ridiculous.

>>1292958
loads of people like that. Insecurity leads to virtue signalling and a necessity to be competitive with other females.

PhD + goes to gym + well travelled + wears all the name brands = supposed happiness to womynz these days

well i had that one changing trip
it was in Thailand

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>>1292863
>say something that is clearly, provably false and betrays a complete misunderstanding of the political landscape of the US and the terms you have been using
>heh my point still stands ;^)

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>>1292988
that's where your wrong

>mfw some people will never realize how much of a lie the political landscape of the us is

just start thinking past what you are told friend, and look into the real history of black panthers fighting for gun rights in la, democrats being led by george wallace, nixon being the guy that pulled out of vietnam...etc etc

or have fun being a trust fund kid that works as a slave and takes jobs and wages from locals that need to support their families.

man this thread went to shit. I just wanted /trv/ memes

>>1292171
you just described 4chan posters

>>1292768
As a regular German they always arouse and irritate me in equal amounts.

>>1292200
Fair play. I didn't think of it like that.

>>1289709

Patrick must be laying some phenomenal Italian pipe

>>1292749
>>1292707
Boring. Who cares.

>>1289709
Lol. Dude here. Trying to find a place to couchsurf in Berlin was the exact same experience. Either dudes like this banging every broad who comes to town, or hot women not accepting my request.

>>1289709
>tfw ywn be an itallian stallion who women from all around the world come for

I'm fucking your ex.

>>1293170
>>1293176
Patrick should be /trv/ very own saint.

>>1289695
200/day in Thailand will get you nice mid range accommodation, splurging food, and great companionship to enjoy it all.

On that budget, suggest a nice legit, higher end spa day. It's worth it.

>>1293306
Don't people there live on like $50/month?

>>1289709
The thing i find weird about this is that's either a very unflattering photo of him or he's just not very good looking - but still looks like he's getting a tonne of girls, I'd be shocked if he didn't have sex with most of them.

I couchsurfed with a guy in Austria once who talked about all the girls he fucked from couchsurfing. Sadly, it didn't extend to guys so 3/10 would not stay again.

>>1289607
It's literally everyone. Hostels are dope.

If you're gonna be a boogy cunt, you might as well just skip Asia. The majority of travelers there are hippie backpackers staying in hostels.

If dirty backpackers bothers you, you're better off just staying at a Marriott in San Francisco or something.

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>>1293281
That's cool, but I'm actually here looking for that one guy that isn't.

>>1293316
Or, stay at nice hotels everywhere you go.
Then you won't have to deal with them where you sleep.
And dress like a local expat would, and not like a grungy hippie; You won't avoid Real TravlersTM everywhere you go, but they won't try to small talk you if you reek of soap and deodorant and have less than 1 feather in your hair.

>>1291413
They are doing a lazy, zero-skilled job in a country where everyone is relatively lazy and uneducated already. These are not successful businessmen.

Holy shit, when did this board get so cynical?

Most of you shit talkers have probably never even backpacked.

Like for fuck's sake, this thread just wreaks of a bunch of fat kids on their computers and their weird fantasising.

>>1293389
My thoughts exactly.

>>1293389
>wreaks

>>1289665
>>1289667
Thailand looks like a shallow place desu. I'd rather go to some cool country like - indeed Belarus or Iran, Syria,...

>>1289607
>>1289704
>>1289816

I'm going to stay in a hostel in the Middle East. By god I hope those hipster types are not to be found there. The Middle East is scary right ?

>>1289607
been to plenty, this only happens with people from the following places

California/NY
Brazil
France
Germany


French are the fucking worst people at a hostel, they constantly want you to know they are from france. They act all uppity if you are from US/canda, and need to constantly remind you how france is compared to where they believe it is like where you are.

>yeah I like japan its fun
>In france we have many things like japan, food is better than here or probably america
>yeah well first time out of the country for me here
>Oh right you all do not get holiday
>Well I have 2 weeks a year off so that counts
>well in france it is different I am sure japan is same but not quite, france is nice

>>1293468
>The Middle East is scary right ?
that won't stop them mate

>>1290005
>Got laid as much but never paid for it
Yeah but hippie backpackers are way uglier than thai hookers

>>1293471
>2 weeks a year off

Is this really all you get? Is this normal?

>>1293389
>Holy shit, when did this board get so cynical?
Forever ? /trv/ has always been cynical as fuck.

That's what bring me back here, people don't waltz around the issues. Yes, you have to sift through a ton of shit threads, but you don't have to deal with the PC advices of other websites.

>>1293800
Yeah that's pretty average for yanks
Fuck that right off

>>1292171
>My experiences point to a certain conclusion, but Professor Goldstein told me that conclusion is bad, so it must all be wrong

Maybe it's a grass is greener thing but I would have liked to travel in the 90s/2000s. The internet makes the world feel smaller and it feels as though there is nothing new to discover.

>>1294209
60s + 70s would've been wicked I bet

>>1294388
the golden age, without a doubt.

>>1293817
Its pretty easy to make a staggering amount of money in a seasonal job in the USA. Nowhere else I've been in the world has such opportunities, if an American only gets two weeks off a year it is their own fault.

>>1294410
It's not easy at all, not sure where you got that idea.

However, if I'm wrong please let me know where these jobs are.

>>1294209
>>1294388
I was lucky enough to do some in the early 2000's and it was great. Forums were good but most of it was about just talking to people from country to country. I think everybody was a little bit of a real traveler meme back then, but it was still a good time.

>>1294445
transportation is awash with jobs. you can find $1500+/week work as just an ordinary seaman.

>>1294626
Have you acually done those jobs? I know truckers, there is a lot of hype but it's actually like any other career. They have to put a lot of years into to get the good assignments. There were jobs in the oil industry for a while but that was a short term thing that was seasonal. Seaman is an alright job, but it's not like that's easy work or even an easy job to get. I'm wondering if you have done this or you just did it a few times when the going was good.

USA just doesn't offer good vacation time or lifestyle if you want to make it to middle class. When you get above the 40k a year bracket you have to put in long hours and deal with competition. I say this bc I'm American and I hate the way vacations work here.

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>>1294650
American here, totally agree.

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>>1294206
>Professor Goldstein told me that conclusion is bad
Why is this board less redpilled than plebbit?
Is it because most of the people on here are NOT actual 4chinners but just rich normies?

More evidence to support my theory:
>no memes
>no 4chan lingo
>raycisssssst every other post
>always positive, PC outlook on places&foreigners

>>1294683
Big juicy bait, but I'll still bite.

>is it because most of the people on here are NOT actual 4chinners
Mostly, yes, that's why. /trv/ has got some 4chan flavour in its irreverency, but we're not all edgelords.

Besides, we all traveled a little bit, which requires to be open-minded and have some of your prejudices smashed to pieces. Therefore, /pol/ bullshit doesn't really stick here.

/trv/ is not especially PC though.

>just rich normies
Considering the amount of hostel, dumpster diving and vagrancy threads, I kinda doubt it.

>>1294683
This is how we know that you are a summer newfag.

>>1294687
>Mostly, yes, that's why. /trv/ has got some 4chan flavour in its irreverency, but we're not all edgelords.
Right so you admit it's mostly normies

>we all traveled a little bit, which requires to be open-minded and have some of your prejudices smashed to pieces.
Only if you're a moron and a naive cuck.
The more you travel the more you realize how /pol/ is spot on for the most part actually.

>/pol/ bullshit doesn't really stick here
just a massive faggot

>hostel, dumpster diving and vagrancy threads, I kinda doubt it.
Most backpackers do it for fun&to feel hip, they're overwhelmingly off middle class families and up you stupid idjit. Keyboard traveler yea?

>>1294690
>summer newfag.
If you mean this shithole of a board, then I've been here for 2 days actually

>>1294692
>If you mean this shithole of a board, then I've been here for 2 days actually

And it shows. Don't let the doors hit your fatass on your way out.

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>>1294692
Oh you must be so strong and manly, it shows from the way you post.

>>1294695
>>1294699
You guys are facebook tier bitches

>>1294695
>Don't let the doors hit your fatass on your way out.
Not him, but places like TRIP FUCKING ADVISOR are incredibly more useful and less cucked than this board.

I just come here to shitpost

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>>1294701
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE normies cucks rebbit bla bla bla
1/10 made me reply

>>1294703
see >>1294704

>>1294692
>Right so you admit it's mostly normies
There is a difference between not being an edgelord and being a normie.

>/pol/ is spot on for the most part actually
Sure mate, keep chasing them evil Jews. Don't forget to burn your neighborhood bagel baker in his own oven, (((they))) all deserve it, amirite ?
>REEEEEEEEEE
>lol liberal cucks
>confirmation bias and strawmen are only liberal faults, it could never apply to our half-assed theories !

>Keyboard traveler yea?
If only you knew.

Please go back to your containment board, you won't be missed.

>>1294704
>>1294705
>>1294706
Yawn copypasted screeching

>>1294705
You're not even making any sense.
I said those "normie" places are BETTER, because just or slightly less cucked but at least useful because not autism&elitism ridden like /trv

>>1293502
>dude, sharia law should totally be brought to the west
>Mate, I think attacking their culture of genital mutilation and stoning people is pretty racist

>>1294799
>they've got banger beardstyles mate
>they're not bigots, you should try khat, better than weed, these dudes are so chill
>they're hot about women, you should see them how pussy they're scoring !

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>>1293170
>Patrick must be laying some phenomenal Italian pipe

>>1294650
If you get your 100 ton, like a year and a half of sea time, you can work on tour boats in Chicago/Boston/New York between Memorial Day and Labor Day and make well over $25k for 3 months work. It'll be like 80 hour weeks but it's still very lucrative, but the work is easy. None of them care if you leave in the shoulder season. I work on the ore boats on the Great Lakes, 2 months on / 1 month off and I don't work Dec/Jan/Feb. $50k a year for unlicensed crew, all you need is a TWIC. Hard work, sure. But it's there if you want it.

Trucking companies are so desperate you could demand a 1 month on/1 month off schedule and they would do it.

These people can be annoying sometimes but I'd still rather stay in a hostel, it's way cheaper and it's actually really fun, been traveling using hostels as much as possible with a good mate of mine who I've known since primary, I'm usually autistic and meek as fuck but for some reason I'm really fucking confident whenever he's around, it's really fun just drinking and doing shit with strangers

>>1296247
Anecdotal evidence coming through but I used to be like that as well. Felt great when I was hanging with a buddy that was popular, and a shut in on my own. The perfect definition of a beta in the shadow of an alpha by 4chan standards.
Then I grew friend with less popular mates, not nerds but just quiet guys, and somehow became the most outgoing of the group. One could argue I became the Alpha but I really don't believe in that meme.
However I kept this attitude with me when I moved away for studies, and honestly was blown away by the way people reacted to that.
Went from 18 yo permanently friend zoned virgin to popular guy that people invited at parties and scored senior as a freshman, and fresmen's year chicks as a senior, plus the occasional co worker during internships.
Now that I'm mid-30's, people often tell me I'm one of the most social/confident person they know, nobody knows I was, and still am at heart, a shy chubby kid that often would prefer be playing video games at home.
I guess what I want to say is that you are not stuck in your place and your personality does not depend on who is or isn't with you.

>>1293814
Nah, not really. This is has always been one of the least cynical boards on 4chan. Travel, itself, is a romantic, optimistic thing to do.