> everything is dirty and smelly > ugly, self-unaware women

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The most fun I had in New York was getting to drive like a madman with all the taxis in a car that had been hit by a deer on the way but the ex didn't wanna turn around. That and I've seen some good underground music there but in terms of it having its own vibe.... Eh, it was mediocre.

>>1145262
French here.
The "magic" for me was to finally see with my own eyes those streets, buildings, monuments and clichés that I grew up seeing on TV and silverscreen.
Lot of French people laugh at tourists getting gouged for pseudo French experience in Paris. A picnic of wine and cheese at the foot of the Eiffel Tower. A romantic candlelit dinner by the Seine. An overpriced café au lait on the Champs Elysées, looking at the Arc de Triomphe.
But I don't laugh at them, as I'm 100% aware that I did the exact NYC equivalent. I had a hot dog from a cart and a slice from a pizza parlor. I had a Reuben at Carnegie's even tho I had better deli food in HK. I sat down in Central Park, photographed yellow cabs and stared at Grand Central's ceiling.
I guess NYC is a bit like Disneyland, it's only as magical as you'll allow it to be.

i had a friend who lived there for a while, she tells me the best things were the underground, pop up parties that you can only find out about through word of mouth.

that sounds pretty dope to me to be honest

>>1145262
New York is supposed to be gritty. It's part of it's personality. It isn't dirty and smelly everywhere, just Canal Street and the spots where homeless people recently took shits. I've never really had any encounters with aggressive beggers. Plenty of mentally ill people shouting things at you in Midtown, but, again, part of the NYC experience. My knowledge of US cities doesn't extend past the east coast but I can assure you the locals (not the transplants) are much more funny and fun to be around than the average Bostonian or DC native. I never really went to any "authentic" yuppie places and juice bars and drip coffee bars that profit off of rich NYU students. Just stick to the local neighborhood eateries. I don't know what you're talking about the women. There's 10 million people in the city and it's the most diverse location in the world. There is every kind of woman you could think of there.

>>1145262
people are brainwashed by propaganda

hunger is the best spice and a miserable life is the best neurological stimulant in terms of finding shitty new york life "appealing." these people are self admittedly miserable and attach their identity to anything that makes them less miserable for 3 hours or gives them identity

>>1145311
tis is almost anywhere though. if you are integrated into the local culture almost anywhere has "totally cool insider things"

new york just sucks ass

like a 1k dollar pair of jeans that's "so cool."

or, maybe some people are just fucking idiots

> any place with reasonably priced food doesn't take credit card
Bruh, this describes 99% places on earth. I mean, I'm glad I live in a country where it isn't the case, too, but when you're travelling you're usually gonna be using cash. Deal with it.

>>1145484
A city loses its right to consider itself "gritty" when the rent per square footage is among the highest in the world and the "cheap, local, ethnic" food places charge $16 for something in a styrofoam box. And most "locals" and "Real New Yorkers" are actually spoiled rich kids from wealthy suburbs in New Jersey, Connecticut, Westchester County, and Long Island. For all the shit that transplants from the Midwest and California get, these fuckers are actually the ones jacking up rent with daddy's money while complaining about bankers, lawyers, and hipsters ruining "real" New York. Everyone I know who was actually born and raised in Manhattan left and has no desire to move back.

Again, I'm not talking about the more residential areas of Brooklyn, many of which do have character and plenty of awesome, cheap ethnic food. I'm talking about Manhattan and how it seems to be heresy to declare it anything less than the Best Place on the Planet.

>>1145311
Grew up in Seattle going to underground raves and concerts all the time. This is not something unique to New York.

>>1145262
>>1145563

I'm confused as to why you keep going back to New York if you hate the place so much.

Anyway, I like the city. I've traveled a lot overseas and a fair amount in the United States. While a lot of me enthusiasm for NYC has worn off since my first few visits, I still enjoy visiting and walking around. There are genuinely a lot of things to do there, from free comedy shows and concerts to amazing opportunities for eating. Can't say that I was ever bothered by the garbage - I've grown up consuming media, much of which is set in NYC, and I expected it. Seems like a quiet but vibrant city now that I've traveled to dozens of developing countries.

Don't get what you're whining about. You don't have to like New York. If you don't like it, don't go. Bitch to your friends instead of asking what you "missed." Given your posts ITC, you just seem like one of those obnoxious cunts who's going to keep questioning and berating everybody else for like things you don't like.

>>1145502
>most populous city and financial centre of the world's largest economy
>have to use cash
NYC has no goddamn excuse.

>>1145567
I travel 75% of the time for work and my company has tons of clients in NY, so I have no choice. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of places worse than New York City (and many that are far better), but it's the only city where people actually get mad at me for not aspiring to live there.

>>1145576
>but it's the only city where people actually get mad at me for not aspiring to live there.

Why do you feel the need to lie on the internet? I've lived here for 23 years of my life and no one has this type of mentality. We actually don't give a fuck where you want to live. I think you're the one with the inferiority complex.

>>1145563
>styrofoam box

really? is this a thing in the US?

>>1145716
EVERYTHING in the states is served in a disposable box with disposable cutlery. It's insane.

>>1145718
yurop here, never seen that in my life.

I thought it was only fast food joints that did this though.

>>1145262
>NYC women
>ugly
u wot? are you blind?

>>1145664
>>>1145576
>>but it's the only city where people actually get mad at me for not aspiring to live there.
>Why do you feel the need to lie on the internet? I've lived here for 23 years of my life
I've heard the same sentiment and I don't live there. Who cares about your one opinion?
A lot of people who really like NY do think of it in the way he suggests when you don't like it.

I've always known I wouldn't care at all to live there 12 months out of the year. Divide my time like a snowbird, or someone with a weekend home (or two), then maybe yes, but only with the highest of income would I enjoy NYC like other people do. That's my standards.

On my last visit, which was about a month ago with amazing weather and light traffic, I saw a friend in the morning at Mt Sinai on 5th avenue, zig zagged my walk up Madison, Lexington, shopping and going into galleries, buying, window shopping, having nice snacks, great lunch, had a lovely explore of a wing of the MET, fantastic dinner, all in high rent neighborhoods, and all I could do was smell PISS EVERYWHERE in front of every building with nice guards standing in the shade but with garbage or piss smells. Intolerable. The whole city needs to be hosed off twice a day. I think why people like it is the choice of things, and some very good things, and when you get to a certain income, companionship with peers of similar education or interests. But, nice it is not.

>>1145576
Which cities are better?

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>>1145734
The median NYC chick is shit-tier JAP from Nassau County. Pic related.

>>1145563
>>1145497
we have underground raves here too, but they're like, scummy affairs, a bunch of crusties taking ketamine in the woods listening to hard tek, i mean its fun but it doesn't seem like the same sort of think they have in new york, is it an american thing? do all american cities have this?

>>1145766
Honestly it just sounds like you hung out with people who annoyed you and persistently ate food you didn't like, and now you're taking it out on the entire cultural and economic capital of the western world.

>>1145766
There's fucking millions of people there dude. You were hanging with the wrong folks.

>>1145497
>I got robbed in NY
>>1145262
Also I think the trash problem might be because of the density of people and the lack of space. I go to school in Boston and here we have plenty of alleys including Public Alleys that are marked like streets and shit but I still can see trash piled up.

>>1145262
for most "tourist" the appeal of NYC is how iconic and unique it is (Films & others)

I'm moving there to study, and the appeal of it to me It how big it is and the amount of people that live there.
NYC is a place where almost everyone has or will go at some point of their life. this means you have a shitone of people of allover the world at the same place. and I love that.

I'm from Barcelona so dirty streets and weird people make me feel like home.

>>1145290
To be fair, New Yorkers actually eat pizza and go to Central Park.

>>1145563
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Getting This Buttblasted Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The City Like Nigga Leave Manhattan Haha

>>1145737
>I think why people like it is the choice of things, and some very good things, and when you get to a certain income, companionship with peers of similar education or interests.
Nailed it, also
>The whole city needs to be hosed off twice a day.
It's only once a week right now, sadly.

I would just like to state for the record that OP is a faggot.

>>1145766
The Dominican girls are to die for though

>>1145290
well said

>>1146483
Yeah I guessed that lol but doing basically the same as a New Yorker was enough to make me happy.
Some Parisians DO picnic in trocadero, but you'll always have a jaded guy like OP to try and ruin it for anybody who doesn't share their dislike of the city.

I just live in Queens and love it.

Living in Manhattan is a meme.

>>1145262
>i dont know where to go in NYC so therefore i hate it and its teh worst!!!1

It's a great city if you aren't a depressed autistic loser.

>>1145770
SF is the cultural capital, has been since 2000s.

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>>1145770
Yuh Sher showed him skeeter, greatest city in the greatest country in the world!

>>1146550
Lol absolutely not. I'm from San Francisco, I live in San Francisco, and I even work for a stupid fucking startup. SF is not the cultural capital of the western world.

SF is filled with delusional hipsters who move here because they think they're so unlike the "stupid redneck savages" in places like NYC, Boston or Charlotte. Even though all those cities can be perfectly nice places to live, depending on what you want from your town. They then meet the REAL San Francisco, which is a melange of working-class Mexican dudes, religious Catholics, clannish Chinese people between 35-90, landowning conservative-minded gay men, and right-leaning rich Democrats in the Marina. The hipsters' reaction is to sneer at these flies in the ointment that is their fantasy SF.

NONE of those things are exported beyond the city's borders. You see, the "cultural moment" SF is having is actually a national cultural moment, where tons of self-important millennials think "I should go to San Francisco and be with my people." SF isn't a place. It's an abstract ideal, part of a narcissistic fantasy.

Funny story: when I was at school in SF, I saw some transplant lambaste the USF president on Facebook. The reason? He was excited Pope Francis (a Jesuit) had become Pope. Transplant posted a comment about how USF needed to "adopt San Francisco values" if it wanted to "be a part of the city." He'd only been in SF for about 1.5 years, all that time as a pampered rich kid cosseted in a dorm out in the Inner Richmond, but he'd already figured out what San Francisco values were. And they were apparently contrary to the rather tame statements of a left-leaning Catholic university which had been in town for over 150 years. You're interrupting my daydream, GIT OUT!!1

I'm not a nativist. I have no desire to close the gates on outsiders. But this idea of San Francisco which everyone loves doesn't come from San Francisco. It's coming from outside the house, as it were.

>>1146623
I thought all the hipsters moved to Oakland.

>>1146278
>NYC is a place where almost everyone has or will go at some point of their life. this means you have a shitone of people of allover the world at the same place.
i share these sentiments

it's like mecca for non-muslims

>>1145262
What? Women are ugly in the city, wat?

What part of the city man? Some really high standards if you didn't find any cute girls in the city.

>>1146548
this

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I grew in NYC, just moved to Tokyo

Can confirm NYC is mostly a tourist trap. Worst part is that area has started getting gentrified so I'm not likely to find it as I left it when I come back. Fucking love my neighborhood. Once it's gone, I may leave NY for good

>>1146678
By "that" I meant "my."

Also, even I think NY has a good ratio of attractive women. Don't confuse natives with the tourists.

>>1145766
>NYC girls
>Nassau
Alright, opinion discarded

>>1146678
>Worst part is ... ..
Why would you expect one of the most populated and fast paced cities on Earth to be the same after even a year away? It's delusion on your part.

>NYC is a tourist trap
>Moved to Tokyo
Christ, you can't make this shit up.

>>1146683
What do realistic expectations have to do with desire?

I can't want things if they aren't realistic? Are you one of those 4chan parrots that looks for a meme in everything?

I will honestly never understand why foreigners travel to America. It's expensive, boring, no culture,no history, and dangerous compared to most other developed nations. That said I still like NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc. But they just simply don't compare to most European ones.

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>>1145290
>I had a hotdog from a cart

>>1145760
Let's start off with Miami and West Palm. I personally like Raleigh nc more.

>>1146623
Great post. I think what people imagine SF to be like would be easier found somewhere like Madison or Seattle.

>>1146696
people come to the US because the things you bitched about, it's a young ass country that it's based on right wing politics and where socialism is not even contemplated.

It is the capitalism wonderland, that's a great car that has a trunk full of shit, I want to be inside of that car, I might even buy it.

Don't say there's no culture, you are the cultural meca of the 20th century, nothing before that though.

and it might be boring in certain areas, just like Europe

>>1145290
Thing is it's not tourists who get butthurt-defensive about the "greatness" and "magic" of NYC, it's the actual inhabitants.

>>1145290
>I had a Reuben at Carnegie's even tho I had better deli food in HK
Where do you get a Reuben in HK? Last one I had there cost more than a Chungking mansions room.

>>1146623
>SF isn't a place. It's an abstract ideal, part of a narcissistic fantasy.

When you think about it, that's all that SF has been for the past 50 years.
To my parents generation it was heaven on earth, bare chested women smoking joints while frolicking in the blooming flowers with Iron Butterfly blasting in the VW van.
When I was younger (late 90's/early 2000s) it was the place where my nerd schoolmates dreamt to work in after graduation. The place where computers are not beige anymore and teenagers drive Ferraris because they sold their start-up 6 days after founding it.
Neither my parents nor said schoolmates even visited SF once. It remained an abstract just like you said.

I have visited it once on a trip to LA - Vegas - Yosemite - SF.

I did enjoy the almost european vibe of the city, the sights, the surroundings (I really liked Petaluma for its America circa 1956 vibe) but I didn't really feel the urge to move in the city.

>>1146489
> t. NYC lawyer

>>1145262
If you think NYC is dirty and smelly dont come to san francisco

>>1145760
New orleans

>>1147898
Software engineer :^)

>>1145568
>under-reporting on taxes
>keeping down merchant fees

Stores gotta save money how they can.

Philadelphia has everything NYC except 10 times more condensed, better, and less accessible to plebs.

Better food, better bars, and most importantly, less pretentious ass hats.

Have to say traveled to Philly this summer and was pleasantly surprised. I'm a Cleveland native, and for an east coast (basically) city it has a definite Midwest vibe, went over during the week of July 4th, the celebrations were top notch. Good food, a clean downtown, friendly people, I'm considering moving to the area after college.

>>1145262
>Who cares
>Bullshit, NYC has lots of hot chicks
>NYC has great nightlife
>true, but that's mostly in tourist areas
>haven't noticed that
>not true necessarily
>true but who gives a shit, the only reason that's bad is not being able to take a piss

>>1145563
I agree that the transplants thing is overblown, because the native New Yorkers are also jacking up rents. Basically, they'll move from an expensive neighborhood to a less expensive neighborhood and pay whatever the landlord charges because it's cheaper comparatively.

Even the fucking Bronx is expensive now.

>>1145766
Are you ignoring all the super hot Dominican, Puerto Rican, Eastern European, etc. chicks?

And I live in Nassau, I went to high school with maybe 5 Jewish people.

>>1146542
This. Big booty Dominican girls are great.

>>1146547
Washington Heights and Inwood are still cool

>>1146659
Exactly, I see hot women all the time.

>>1146678
Kek, do you ever leave Midtown Manhattan?

>>1149116
I fucking love Philly, but there are some things better about New York.

>>1149132
That's interesting you find Philly to have a Midwest vibe, to me Philly is it's own thing.

I visited NYC five years ago, and never left. I have to admit, the glamour has worn off for sure. However, I've been all over the world and I don't think I could live anywhere else.

>>1149149
There's still so much of the city you haven't seen, though.

Where did you come from, anyway?

Funny I should spot this thread, im staying at a relative's in uptown for a few days. havent been in nyc since '01.

been doing some exploring, seen a few sights, but what i really want to know is where the freaks and deviants congregate.

>>1149153
there are some cool bars in the East Village and Lower East Side, and Williamsburg Brooklyn. The nightlife in NYC is great due to the density and the fact that bars don't have to close until 4 AM.

Where uptown are you, and where are you visiting from?

>>1149156
uptown manhattan, visiting from the sticks in virginia

>>1149158
Uptown Manhattan is a huge ass area, can you be more specific?

But are you into nightlife? There's definitely some good nightlife, as far as other shit freaks do I don't really know. Maybe go to Union Square in the evening and see what's going on?

NYC is just interesting as fuck with lots to do, plus it's super convenient. That's why it's so desirable.

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>tfw I don't live in The Bronx and fuck big booty Puerto Rican and Dominican girls

>>1149159
little ways from dyckman st.

what's in union station?

>>1149162
Dyckman Street is in Inwood, seems like a cool neighborhood. Lots of hot Dominican chicks, and there's a lot of Latin nightlife on Dyckman street.

Union Square is a small park near 14th street, all different kinds of people hang out there (including bums and weirdos) and often there's interesting stuff going on there.

It's pretty easy to get to by subway

>>1149150
Virginia -> Florida -> NYC

>>1149167
Intetesting, the only transplants I've talked to are also from Florida

The midwestern transplant stereotype os retarded

>>1149163
>bums and wierdos
just what i was looking for. will check out.

what are the seedy areas to avoid?

>>1149171
Haha, I know my fair share of people that are from the midwest. I think it's about 50/50 split between midwest and south. I don't know very many people from out west.

>>1149172
Nowhere in Manhattan is so bad that you need to avoid completely.

I would say the same for the rest of the city too. Brownsville and East New York are probably the worst neighborhoods in the city, but they're so deep in Brooklyn it's very unlikely you'd even go there.

>>1149174
Still though, the transplant stereotypes are retarded. Like the whole hipster thing, most of those manbun dudes were born in New York.

I've seen what I believe were white tourists at the Hub in Mott Haven/Melrose, I thought that was funny

What is the correct way to refer to blacks ie negro / african american. USA first timer here & I do not wish to get into strife by using the wrong word (obviously I know it's not nigger / shine / spade / moulignon etc etc)

>>1149180
Just stick with black.

>>1147901
You are such an atrocious piece of shit that you cannot see that New Orleans is literally one of the worst cities in America. The only thing of value there is the food, and the music if you are generous.

>>1149184
Have you ever been there? Its the best southern city by a mileif you arent a soccer mom

>>1149132
I just visited Cleveland a few days ago. You have a nice city. I enjoyed my day there.

>>1149184
Maybe I chose shitty places every time, but I thought the food was just meh. The live music everywhere was pretty cool but my opinion is biased since I'm fond of jazz.

I was in New York over ten years ago and I found the city rather unappealing. In many ways it felt like the 'modern american mindset' condensed and made manifest. It's dirty, sweaty, cramped, and is surprisingly small. The city feels superficial and meaningless, as though its inhabitants never felt any calling more profound than money and status. People will attempt to hustle you for money, people will bump into you on the sidewalk despite the fact that you oblige them by moving to the side, a lot of 'strange' people (junkies, homeless, mad, beggars) etc. Most of the erratic behavour comes from blacks. The entire city feels like a playground for vice and nothing else, where people can indulge their gluttony, pride, or lusts whenever they please. People are also extremely poorly dressed.

>>1149320
You're a retard and it sounds like you didn't even leave Midtown Manhattan. You also sound like an autist, caring how people dress, and talking about inning.

And over ten years ago? The city has changed a lot since then.

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>>1149334
ten years ago it was still possible to see girls wearing boho chic and men in dov "chaming" american apparel sleazeball chic, truly those were dark days

also if you are too shy or midwest polite to blow off a hustler I can see how it would get very annoying, I can just imagine some small town guy trying to negotiate his way out of paying a fake chinese monk in soho and ending up getting taken for all he's worth

>>1149133
Learn how to greentext properly, faggot. That was a fucking mess to read

>>1149355
Are you dyslexic?

>>1149353
The aggressive panhandlers mostly hang out in really tourist heavy areas, so you can just walk right pass them.

Still though, he sounds like a neckbeard and sorta reminds me of the killer from the movie Se7en.

>>1149320
>surprisingly small.
The fuck? NYC is one of the larger cities in the US by area.

>>1150584
He only visited times square

>>1150584
Yeah it's fucking huge.

>>1145262
>no alleyways, so garbage has to be piled on the sidewalks
Is this a real thing?
You just chuck your garbage in the street?

>>1145716
>US
>serious environmental protection of any kind
pick one. Even their national parks are turned into McThemeparks.

>>1150595
Yes, there are virtually no alleys in Manhattan

But the garbage in the streets doesn't really bother me.

>>1150596
Also, people regularly use plastic bags in the US instead of bringing their own bags to stores.

>>1150597
That's hardly unique to the US. I live in Finland and never bring my own bag.

>>1150600
Really? Everywhere I've been in Europe, people bringing their own bags is the norm.

>>1149161
>tfw I don't live in Manhattan and walk on the streets without fear of being robbed and am not ostracized by angry poor people with a chip on their shoulder

>>1150618
>there are no poor people in Manhattan