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Hello, I'm hoping some of you are more learnéd than I

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Hello,

I'm hoping some of you are more learnéd than I am about the different areas of africa, the middle east, and asia.

I am a pre-medical student, and looking to acquire some clinical experience. It occurred to me that countries with fewer regulations and severely understaffed hospitals would allow just about anyone to preform medical procedures with minimal training. I have read of hospitals where nearly half the patients die waiting to be treated; so perhaps it's better that someone try something in those situations rather than nothing at all. I'd like to help some folks while adding to my medical school application; no one is going to die in the US from my not being there.

While I could certainly research each country individually, I understand that often the information in blogs, articles etc is outdated or inaccurate. I'm hoping you have advice for me as to which countries to look in to. I am looking for a location that has severely understaffed hospitals and little to no government regulations, and is safe (enough) for a white female traveling alone. I doubt I'd be out and about much, and would be willing to stay only at the hospital and with the family of whomever I arrange to stay with. Are there any areas like this in South America? That would be most convenient, as I already speak Spanish. I'd also be willing to go to Africa or the Middle East; provided they're somewhat white-woman-friendly in the region. I understand this is a tall order; usually places with a poor infrastructure are war-torn. Any advice welcome.
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>>1139118
I think your best bet is to do a clinical exchange when you're in med school. I talked to a guy who went on a clinical exchange to Palestine, when a war suddenly broke out, and they let him preform a lot more procedures than he was used to.

How does it work with pre med and med school in the US? We just have med school right after high school.
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>OPs medical school application
>2016-2018 practised illegally on humans

What an entitled cunt.
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>>1139157
>How does it work with pre med and med school in the US? We just have med school right after high school.
PreMed is a 4 year bachelors degree, and can be in physiology, biology, physics, really, any science, as long as you take courses that they require by the time you apply for grad school (medical school).
Medical school is highly competitive. During your pre-med years, you should not make more than 1 B or C grade in more than 1 course. Period. That's how it is. Students might apply to 10 med schools and get accepted by only 1, maybe 2. There are a lot of chiros and HS science teachers who didn't make it to med school, let's just say. After completing 4 years of medical school (a total of 8 years of schooling), they graduate with the masters and doctors all at once, an M.D., and if they add a year of research within it, they can get a MD/PhD. Then it's time for a residency program, another competitive step, with a "match process" where the schools interview the students and rank them, and hopefully your #1 matches someone liking you back. So, this is 9-13 years to become board eligible.

This might lead someone to believe they should practice medicine without a license in order to increase chances of acceptance, but that's crap. Go ahead and do something meaningful with your free time like ACE every single class you are presented with in college. Study ahead. Treat this like a game of survivor where only 1 person from your entire college will make it. Go volunteer for a charity that is somehow affiliated with mental health, physical health, even holistic stuff like alternative medicine. But, where will you have time? Is it that you aren't sure you want to be a doctor?

Protip: If you don't get into med school, get a masters in something interesting like Ethics, or Statistics, and try again.
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places with "little to no government regulations" are entirely made up of conflict areas like south sudan, burundi, central african republic, syria (where former medical students are running underground hospitals [if they don't know what to do they skype with Western doctors, and some of those doctors keep tabs on patients using livecams] in shelled-out villas...there was an article about it and those guys are fucking heroes) and malawi; you can't go into an active warzone and expect for your safety to be guaranteed
and practicing medicine without a license is gonna get you lynched, imprisoned, or deported
that should pretty much end your pursuit. it's a bad idea
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>>1139166
Holy shit, how exhausting. It's not so bad here. You need good grades in high school, then you get in to med school. Some people spend years improving their high school grades to get in, because they really want to be doctors. After six years you do "turnustjeneste", and then residency and specialisation. It takes a minimum of twelve years total to become a specialist.

I just picked medicine because it's a safe choice where you will probably get a job when you're done with your studies. I've never really wanted to be a doctor...
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>>1139118
OP there is nothing preventing you from taking a semester abroad during your premed years until like the last busy year where you're doing MCAT prep and saving all your money. During school breaks and during this abroad time, you could build a personal relationship with a single charity in this locale. The Jesuits, for instance, have a mission to treat the human spirit, and provide medical services. They don't evangelize if that isn't your thing, more a leading by example.
My relative who did get into a top 10 med school did this on half of the breaks with a handful of her classmates. It was indeed enlightening to live with a local family who had respectable govt jobs but who lived in third world conditions under mosquito nets, bathe in the river water, and sling IV bags over a coconut tree to hydrate pregnant women. Most of her time was spent vaccinating babies.

Another idea you could try now, is to get a 2 week home health aide cert, and work for a local agency per diem. You could make some money to save up. Don't know if you know it...but it costs 10k or more just to apply to the 10 schools, and then probably another $900/mo from family to support you during your 4 years. Premed is a time you could make some savings.
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>>1139157
a clinical exchange could work, provided that they offer trips to the kinds of countries I'm looking for. I'm guessing they don't, because it's not really prudent for an institution to send it's students to war zones or places that are as poor as what i'm describing. i'm guessing that facilities used for clinical exchange are vetted for safety as well as conformity to WHO standards. I'm making a list of countries I'm interested in before checking that list against any clinical exchange programs.

>>1139157
what country are you in?
>>1139166
is correct

>>1139162
read what i typed again

>>1139166
>..... acceptance, but that's crap. Go ahead and do something meaningful with your free time like ACE every single class you are presented with in college.
I'd be doing this during summer, when I'd otherwise be doing tedious (and unimpressive; the rote filling of vials is a pretty low-IQ skill and not valued highly by medical schools) lab work. I have no intentions of studying abroad or during summers, so this would be my primary activity for 3 months.
>Go volunteer for a charity that is somehow affiliated with mental health, physical health, even holistic stuff like alternative medicine.
Working for free in another country certainly qualifies as significant volunteer work.

>>1139168
I think we're on different pages here. Thanks for your advice.

>>1139174
Thank you for your advice. I am going to get a few certifications from internationally recognized organization for phlebotomy, patient care, and EKG administration before going; and I would have the option of using those in the US as well. Fortunately I have been given a full ride to undergrad. I don't expect money to be an issue in or while applying to medical school.
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>>1139226
>I think we're on different pages here. Thanks for your advice.
I think you need to rethink your plan before wasting a lot of time and begging your home country's embassy to help you get home
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While I do appreciate the input, I'm not looking to be swayed as to whether I should or should not volunteer in an impoverished and probably dangerous region. I am asking for advice about which countries I should look into; ones that are (relatively) safe-ish for women (ie: not Afghanistan) that are also very poor and likely to have a shortage of medical personnel. Any remote areas with jovial people who are simply behind in technology and medical advancements? I would also consider entering a war zone depending on the situation.
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>>1139246
I fully understand what you want as a female, and I'm sorry but I don't think it exists in the world today, at least not in the Americas. Maybe you could simply "intern" with a physician through one on one contact, vet? or social worker?, some aunt or uncle's friend, who knows the laws enough to use you where HIPAA isn't going to be a conflict. Candystriping might be an option at your local hospital. Could you volunteer to be part of clinical research in some university pharm PI's project?

As far as medicine goes, there are quite a few studies out there now that when it comes to a science degrees, bang for your buck, engineering wins over medicine, computer science and others now. So, I would suggest you should figure out if this is a calling or just the perceived economy talking. Yes, you're always going to be employable but maybe not at the crazy salaries specialists get now, by the time you graduate, within the general/family med realm it's getting knocked down to 80. Insurance is killing doctors as are the low govt insurance payments for both baby boomers and indigents. Obamacare is doing to fail as the very sick won't be able to do their annual high deductibles, so they simply won't seek care as they should, same as before and have multiple problems going on. Doctor satisfaction is an all time low, so you should _love_ your job. One thing at a time. You can always skip patient care entirely, but keep your options open before you jump down a path, k?
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>>1139226
lmao not happening

also, anons, why are you humouring this delusional cow?
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>>1139251
>candy striping
stopped taking your post seriously there. i'm applying to medical school, the one where you get an M.D. at the end; not undergrad.

your paternalistic diatribe was well meaning, but entirely misdirected. i know what i want.

ITT: People posting unsolicited opinions after realizing they know nothing about the actual question being asked.
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>>1139267
The actual question: where can I change the world with my semesters' worth of comparative anatomy knowledge
The answer: nowhere
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>>1139118
Dont do it OP, those areas are dangerous and I doubt youll actually get some good experience.
Just go study medicine in EU. Lot of European countries have free unis Im sure they would accept you
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>>1139162
THIS. Completely unethical.
Go and observe in a world leading centre.
Do you training.
Then head to the third world when you can actually help and you aren't just 'learning on the natives'
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>>1139118
Try Eritrea
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