Politics general. No actual discussion (that's what /pol/

>>>/pol/

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>>9964106
I'm not sure I understand what this comic is arguing, is it saying killing more people is utilitarian? Because I think the suffering that would be endured by those people, and the wasteful loss of their expertise outweighs any potential benefit.

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>>9964217
It's a parody of Keynesianism.

>>9964247
>the one dude holding the lever attached to the person's groin is smiling

>>9964861
It's a big lever.

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>>9964911

Yuge

>>9963579
>Politics general.
NO

Part of why this board is comfy is because we keep that shit out of here.

>>9964106
>>9964217
>>9964247
I always love trolley problem jokes, especially because I consider the original to be a rather infantile philosophical "problem". The jokes tend to complicate the problem, bringing it closer to an actually worthwhile question.

>>9969297

good to see your hi n mity about it: so answer nigger do you pick the lever or not

FUCK DRUMPF

>>9969661
Your grammar and spelling are about as well thought out as the trolley problem.

>>9963579
>general
stop doing this for fucking everything you goddamn nigger

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>>9963907
Simo Häyhä is a beast.

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>>9970714
Tell that to the mods.

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>>9963579

>actual discussion (that's what /pol/ is for)

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HOLOCAUST REDPILL INCOMING

>>9974768
>HOLOCAUST ALT-RIGHTPILL INCOMING

I like how none of that has any citation and we're just suppose to believe whatever we're being told. Then again that's the reichwing mentality to never question the dear leaders and just go with bias confirmation.

>The exact number of victims at Auschwitz is difficult to fix with certainty, because many prisoners were never registered and much evidence was destroyed by the SS in the final days of the war.

As it turns out, keeping meticulous records of atrocities in the face of advancing enemies is something the nazis were savvy enough not to do.

Holocaust deniers are even dumber than climate change deniers.

>>9974768
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>>9974768
DRUMPFTARD

>>9974768
RACIST!!!!!!

>>9974768
RURAL/SUBURBAN RETARD!!!

>>9974768
BIGOT!!!!!!
RACIST!!!!!
RUSSIAN SCUM!!!!
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>>9974768
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>>9974768
Go to your nearest humanities university an talk to several historians, the moment you'll outsmart them It'll be the day I'll stream myself sucking my own dick, you dumbshit

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>>9974768

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>>9977609
oy vey

>>9977789
NAZI SHUT UP

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>>9977878
hippies have slow reflexes. all he had to do was crouch down and the other guy would have flew over him.

>>9974768
>>9977731

http://imgur.com/gallery/725A7

daily reminder that stormniggers will never make a rebuttal to this because they can't

>>9974768
What was the purpose of the 4 Einsatzgruppen units (each consisting of 500-1000 members of the SS and Gestapo) during Operation Barbarossa? How were these units different than the Wehrmacht's Security Divisions (Sicherungs-Divisionen) and Guard Units (Landesschützen)?

Why would Jews inflate the number of holocaust victims when reparations paid by West Germany after the war were based on the number of survivors and not the number killed?

What did SS and nazi officials in internal memos mean by the word "Special Treatment" (Sonderbehandlung) regarding jews in their custody?

How could the prisoners at the Bergen-Belsen be starving to death when 3 km away the food stores for the camp contained "600 tons of potatoes, 120 tons of tinned meat, 30 tons of sugar, upwards of 20 tons of powdered milk; cocoa, grain, wheat and other foodstuffs." Why was this food withheld from the starving prisoners?

If the Jews were evacuated "to the East" rather than being exterminated in Poland, what happened to them? Why have so many family members of those "evacuated" never heard from their loved ones again? Wouldn't they try to make some contact in the past 70+ years?

Of the approximately 1,300,000 deportees sent to Auschwitz, only 400,000 were actually admitted into the camp. What happened to the 900,000 who were not admitted to the camp? Were they sent home?

How plausible is it the allied governments trained and deployed thousands of staff to axis controlled territory during the last year of the war create and plant thousands of false documents, faked photographs, forged diary entries in the correct places so that they would be discovered by liberating allied personnel without their scheme being discovered and exposed over the past 70+ years?

How were the victims of the nazis Aktion T4 program killed? How were their bodies disposed?

>>9980411
>trannies are literally dogs
cyka blyat

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>>9977848
stop

>>9985217
YOUR JUST A DUMB STUPID NAZI SHUT UP ALTI RIGHT DRUMPFTARD SHUT UP OR ELSE!!!!!

>>9985217
Jews sure love BDSM.

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>>9984161
>Why would Jews inflate the number of holocaust victims when reparations paid by West Germany after the war were based on the number of survivors and not the number killed?
Wouldn't it be funny if the death count was used as an excuse for anything else Jews wanted with the exception of one payout?

50

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>>9984916
dogs are generally more likeable and more useful

>>9974768
>REDPILL
Stopped reading there

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>>9991364
it's not like you were in the habit of reading in the first place

>>9980411
It's funny that this tranny is so retarded he thinks this is a valid comparison when dogs don't think they're the opposite sex of what they actually are.

>>9991378
Yeah, I don't pay much attention to what edgy fourteen year old naziboos post.

>>9991390
>if it was a Trumptard being arrested he'd be crying like a little bitch

>>9985217
>America did more against the Nazis than Russia

Jesus Christ, the American hubris is just unbelievable.

>>9992318
The legislation that makes this draconian bullshit possible was hammered in by Obama in order to frustrate the Tea Party protests.

The guy doing the crying now didn't make a peep, then, because he never thought it possible that it would be used against him. But there he is. Don't worry, the judge will let him off the hook, but it's a great example of why you can't be dismissive of the rights of the people you see as your enemies, because they're your rights as well.

>>9993790
>didn't actually address the point
Hmmm...

>>9984161
Or, maybe those documents weren't found by the allies at all.

>>9993870
Nigger, you didn't make a fucking point.

>>9984161
>>9987146
The reason had to do with the state of Israel being seen as the true nation of the Jews by aligning its founding with a prophecy that 6,000,000 jews had to die before the nation of Israel could be founded again.

>>9992494
This argument was more about the old America First.
The Isolationist America during WWII. The argument being that by doing nothing to help the allies, we were helping the Nazis.

>>9987146
not particularly, no

but its a moot point anyway

>>9992494
Imagine if we'd stayed out and the soviets had had to handle Japan. They might've wiped each other out.

>>9993940
I did if you weren't triggered enough to skim over it to act smug.

>>9991390
I think we can agree that antifa are faggots and rioting is wrong, but that's just ridiculous.

>>9993957
what?

>>9994075
There's nothing more cringeworthy than leftists using the word "triggered" the moment they start losing an argument.

>>9994543
not him, but what is your argument exactly? You guys got kind of sidetracked there.

>>9994100
>ridiculous
Not at all. Antifa's primary goal is to intimidate people into never expressing political views contrary to leftism, with a secondary goal of destroying anybody who they think holds such views. That alone justifies locking them up for the rest of their lives; being an antifa member should carry apocalyptic consequences for one's future.

>>9992318
I've noticed that shitlibs always project their neuroses. Never mind that antifags are guilty of a serious crime (conspiracy to riot, at the very least); no, somehow this becomes a condemnation of Trump supporters.

The truth is, I don't care if you think I'm a hypocrite for rejoicing the fact that these idiots are (hopefully) going to rot in prison; the left has broken my belief in fairness. The left has never genuinely believed in fair play with the right (except, of course, when it helps them), so why should I? I want to win, and playing fair is how you lose.

>>9994582
I think his point was that this is a case of the left being forced to lie in the bed it made (that is, leftists are now being jailed under laws that were enacted to suppress rightists). He thinks this is draconian and wrong, and that we shouldn't dismiss our enemies' rights. I would agree with him, if I were facing an enemy that is willing to respect MY rights; however, the left has proven time and time again that it intends no such thing, which means draconian measures against them are both necessary and desirable. Trying to protect the rights of the left, for the sake of my own rights, is just a recipe for leftist victory, at which point they'll destroy my rights anyway.

>>9994543
>no actual argument
>basically admitting he skipped over the point
Embarrassing

>>9995677
>I've noticed that shitlibs always project their neuroses.
You must be one then because you're projecting right now.

>somehow this becomes a condemnation of Trump supporters.
>guys uses picture of laughing Trump faces
>what does a Trump Supporter have to do with this?
Do you even pay attention to what people post before you fly off the handle, anon? You just want to get mad.

>The truth is, I don't care if you think I'm a hypocrite
Sociopaths never do.

>I think his point was that this is a case of the left being forced to lie in the bed it made
Lol, he's so salty he can't even grasp the basic point. You really were triggered, weren't you?

>I would agree with him, if I were facing an enemy that is willing to respect MY rights
It's cute watching Rightards pretend they respect others rights, when being rightwing is pretty much defined by centuries of oppressing others for being different from you.

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>>9995803
>being rightwing is pretty much defined by centuries of oppressing others for being different from you.

The absolute state of the Big Brother party of libcucks

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https://www.prri.org/research/poll-post-election-holiday-war-christmas/
>Nearly one-quarter (24%) of Democrats say they blocked, unfriended, or stopped following someone on social media after the election because of their political posts on social media. Fewer than one in ten Republicans (9%) and independents (9%) report eliminating people from their social media circle.

>Political liberals are also far more likely than conservatives to say they removed someone from their social media circle due to what they shared online (28% vs. 8%, respectively). Eleven percent of moderates say they blocked, unfollowed, or unfriended someone due to what they posted online.

>There is also a substantial gender gap. Women are twice as likely as men to report removing people from their online social circle because of the political views they expressed online (18% vs. 9%, respectively). Notably, the gender gap also differs significantly across political affiliation. Three in ten (30%) Democratic women say they removed an individual from their online social network because of a political opinion they expressed, while only 14% of Democratic men reported doing this. Republican men and women are about equally as likely to say they blocked, unfollowed, or unfriended someone on social media because of political posts (10% vs. 8%, respectively).

Liberals are much more likely to block or ban you for wrongthink than conservatives. Hmm...really makes you think.

>>9994582
This guy is basically moaning about Trump for no reason in response to that post about the AntiFaggot Twatting about his court date. I pointed out that the law facilitating the high amount of jailtime was brought into being by obama to fuck over right wing protestors. As such, it seems obvious to me that there's a measure of poetic justice going on. After all, Obama was a real darling of the left, and no-one on the left protested against this law. In fact, I only learned about it when someone else pointed it out when anti-Trump protestors started throwing their tantrums.

He never had a real point. He's just bitching. And he's bitching even harder because of the above fact.

>>9995803
>It's cute watching Rightards pretend they respect others rights, when being rightwing is pretty much defined by centuries of oppressing others for being different from you.

He said from atop the piles of dead left by communism.

>>9991390
What did he do, though?

>>9991327
True

>>9993790
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>>9963579
I was hoping this would be a thread with just fun things like images, but there are also discussions happening too.
I'm sorry OP that they didn't head your request or no discussion.

>>9995677
>>9995803
>>9996021
You're all retarded, and left-right extremism is the exact same shit with different coats of paint.
Reminder that no matter how much you hate it, the so called "fence sitters" are the only decent people left in politics. Everyone else is a polarized, idiotic extremist who'll bring their country to ruin.
>inb4 mad statists go 'p-pick a s-side! y-you're just wasting your vote! f-fucking cuck!'

>>9996100
>False equivalence ahoy!

It's 'you voted for a woman I don't like and has been accused of nonsensical conspiracy theories that went literally nowhere' versus 'you voted for a functional Nationalist Socialist with a history of fraud and involvement with the Russian mob whose VP is a professed young-earth creationist who supports torturing homosexuals and chief strategist is a professed white supremacist holocaust denier'.

Are you actually going to compare the two?

>>9997700
*for no

>>9997700
Then maybe OP should have dumped some images of his own.

>>9998569
>false equivalency
>calls Trump a Nazi

So you're either stupid enough to use that as an insult after shouting about a false equivalency, or you're even dumber and seriously mean it.

Either way, shitty argument and impossible to take seriously. Your asspain is showing. Enjoy the next four years!

>>9999654
Trump's platform is one of white ethnic nativism stoking racial resentment of neighbors (Trump: Mexicans | Nazis:Slavs) and fear of subsections of citizenry (Trump: Muslims | Nazis: Jews) tied to a sense of lost past glory(Trump:MAGA | Nazis: Third Reich) backed up with Keynesianesque make-work projects (Trump: The Wall | Nazis: Reichsautobahn) and military spending all wrapped up in an economic isolationist package.

This is literally the Nationalist Socialist platform verbatim, and if you had read a single book in your insipid FOX and Friends guzzling life you would know this.

>>10000593
>Trump's platform is one of white ethnic nativism

And that's bad because?

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>>9998569
>Nationalist Socialist with a history of fraud and involvement with the Russian mob whose VP is a professed young-earth creationist who supports torturing homosexuals and chief strategist is a professed white supremacist holocaust denier'.

You're a modern leftist caricature.

>>10000707
Lets start with the fact that its based on a mountain of fallacies. In order to be a nativist, you have to have ancestral claim to the land you occupy. White nativism doesn't fucking work in a country where the white man has been around for only a handful of generations and the original inhabitants live down the street. On top of that, it is not a principle of the country as a whole. This is a nation founded on immigration and refugees. To draw a line in the sand and say that that arbitrarily ends at X point in time or Y kind of immigrant or refugee is beyond disingenuous; it goes against the explicit intentions of the framers of the constitution. Read some of the Founding Father's writings sometime. It will blow your tiny mind.

>>10000785
Name calling? Prove me wrong, then we'll talk. I can cite sources if you like.

The sad thing is, I'm pretty centrist. I'm pro second amendment, pro death penalty and hawkish on military and border matters. I voted for McCain in 08. But the Trump agenda is the death of what I consider uniquely American, so I oppose it.

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>>10000593
>if you don't believe my farfetched claims I'm a priori calling you a retard before even hearing your response

Literally right out of the playbook of every oppressive, totalitarian ideology ever. You are projecting heavily. You see that Trump is your enemy, and you assume he'll treat you exactly the way you're already treating everyone opposed to you. You seem to me like the typical example of the ignorant idiot who read one book, and immediately assumes he knows more than everyone else.

>>10000966
>name calling

You have no right to complain about that, buckaroo. The dude is right, Republican virtue signalling not withstanding.

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What did they mean by this?

>>10001144
I'm only quoting the man himself. What is far-fetched?

That he blames Mexicans for job losses and calls them rapists and criminals? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jaz1J0s-cL4

That he says Muslims are dangerous and should be banned? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sz0KY-3PbQ

That he claims America used to be great but isn't any more? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZn8tFbISpo

That he want to build a wall? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGSAhNZnisk

That he wants to increase military spending? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnyl3pE6l1g

That he favors economic isolation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dw7jHHZrQk

Or that it's literally the Nationalist Socialist agenda? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

>Literally right out of the playbook of every oppressive, totalitarian ideology ever.
The denial is strong in this one.
Applying accurate labels based on facts is not name-calling. If it walks like a fascist and talks like a fascist, it's a fascist. This isn't a case of he-said, she-said. It's just a he-said.

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>>10001416
What is far fetched is that you're using extremely broad terms to seek some sort of connection between Trump and Nazism, to the point where you could make the same connection with literally anyone. You're basically using "Nazi" as an insult, as is extremely common in shitflinging politics, rather than making an honest comparison. And then you pre-emptively call anyone who might speak out against that a retard.

Basically, you're cherrypicking, and have no real knowledge about the actual mechanisms of fascism or the ideology behind the movement. Your entire arguments is "the Nazis did this thing at one point, so everyone who does it now is a Nazi, except if I like them".

>The denial is strong in this one.

Oh, another cute insult. No, faglord, what you're doing is exactly what every communist and socialist in the world does: Find some flimsy link between your enemies and fascism, and then proceed to just hammer that thing that looks like a nail until there's nothing left.

But remove that Nazi reference, and suddenly you have no real argument. I've heard this shit so often now, and you fags never actually have a point. In fact, you never so much seem concerned about preserving Western liberty as you are about dictating what Western liberty means. And magically, it always means your political opponents must be removed or kept from power. Yeah, really activates my almonds, broheim.

>>10000880
>In order to be a nativist, you have to have ancestral claim to the land you occupy.

A fact that whites have had a presence in America for about 500 years is one. Even if it's not the case. This logic is never applied to Europeans.

>White nativism doesn't fucking work in a country where the white man has been around for only a handful of generations and the original inhabitants live down the street.

The "Indians were here first" argument is bullshit because it's conflating America the geographical area to America the state created in 1776. Virtually few to no American aboriginal civilizations had a concept of a state even in 15th-18th century standards. Let alone there were vast amounts of land never claimed by these tribes. Even if that's not good for you, you would not make this argument when it comes to whites in Europe.

>On top of that, it is not a principle of the country as a whole. This is a nation founded on immigration and refugees.

No, America was founded on settlers and pioneers. Until the 1960s, immigration only came from mostly Europe and even that received opposition. Rarely did the people who come here came for high minded ideals but came for practical or economic reasons as well as in the name of another country.

>To draw a line in the sand and say that that arbitrarily ends at X point in time or Y kind of immigrant or refugee is beyond disingenuous

This is your most bullshit argument. Even if concede to all your previous points, even a "nation of immigrants" should decide what type of immigrants they let in. Any functional nation requires a one core and one culture or group of cultures that are related and on the same page/mindset. Having a nation largely with western European protestants in mind and letting in catholic Indians/Euro Indians along with Arab Muslims is a recipe for disaster. No country ans state with radically different or competing cultures/ethnic groups will end in failure. USSR, Yugoslavia, Sudan, etc.

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>>10000880
>it goes against the explicit intentions of the framers of the constitution. Read some of the Founding Father's writings sometime. It will blow your tiny mind.

You mean like this.

pic fucking related; America's first immigration bill.

>>10001845
Very well said.

>>10001951
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>>10001845
>Using Nazi as an insult
No, I'm using Nationalist Socialist as an accurate label of someone who has professed Nationalist Socialist ideals, then heavily implying that those ideals are repugnant and antithetical to the founding principles of America.
>And then you pre-emptively call anyone who might speak out against that a retard
Aww, does snowflake object to being insulted? You're on the wrong forum, kiddo.
>Basically, you're cherrypicking
Okay wiseguy, where do Trump and the Nazis diverge? Is it that his MadLib has Muslims instead of Jews? So far all you've done is bitch about how unfairly I paint the man with his own words.
>Oh, another cute insult. No, faglord,
Oh, so it's only okay if you do it? Got it. Just wanted to clear up the rules, snowflake.
>Find some flimsy link between your enemies and fascism, and then proceed to just hammer that thing that looks like a nail until there's nothing left.
Some link? This isn't a 'Hitler ate sugar' argument. I have described the basic fundamentals of the Fascist methodology and shown how they compare on a one-to-one basis. Try harder.
>But remove that Nazi reference, and suddenly you have no real argument.
Okay, so you don't find Nationalist Socialism repugnant and antithetical to American principles independent of historical precedent. Good to know.
>In fact, you never so much seem concerned about preserving Western liberty as you are about dictating what Western liberty means.
[citation needed]
>And magically, it always means your political opponents must be removed or kept from power.
Oh, I'm sorry, didn't realize I wasn't allowed to vote against people I don't like or complain about them on the internet. I will report myself to the ministry of thoughtcrime immediately.

>>10002257
NAZI NAZI NAZI!!! FUCVKING DIE NAZI SCUM DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE FUCKING KILLLL!!!!!!!!!

>>10001920
> Even if it's not the case. This logic is never applied to Europeans.
It's dumb in Eurasia. It's downright retarded in North America. Not an argument.

>The "Indians were here first" argument is bullshit because it's conflating America the geographical area to America the state created in 1776.
No, that's what Nativism is doing. The "Indians were here first" argument is reductio ad absurdum: an absurd conclusion ascribed to a premise to demonstrate that it must be false. "Indians were here first" is a bullshit conclusion, but it is the natural endpoint of White American Nativism. You can't have nativism if you aren't the native.

>Virtually few to no American aboriginal civilizations had a concept of a state even in 15th-18th century standards
Virtually no European civilizations had a concept of a state in the 15th-18th century. What's your point?

>No, America was founded on settlers and pioneers.
What do you think an immigrant or refugee is once they arrive?

>Until the 1960s, immigration only came from mostly Europe
Bullshit. Read your history, child.

> and even that received opposition.
Not an argument

> Rarely did the people who come here came for high minded ideals but came for practical or economic reasons as well as in the name of another country.
Not an argument

> Even if concede to all your previous points, even a "nation of immigrants" should decide what type of immigrants they let in.
This is kind of a thorny philosophical issue at the core, but in your context, the travel bans have overwhelmingly negative public reception and were never put to a vote, so we can ignore it.

>Everything else
[citation needed]. Also, the USSR failed because the Russians tried to squash every other culture in it, not because it had those cultures. Do you REALLY want to make the same mistake?

>>10001951
If you take out the part where it excludes blacks, indians and chinese, that's a very inclusive piece of legislature. Fun fact, at the time, Arabs and Turks were considered White. Even filthy Slavs could join!

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>>10002729
>You can't have nativism if you aren't the native.
Native americans aren't really native to the Continent you fucking mongoloid.
Do you think they just popped up out of the ground or something?
But let me guess, evolution is somehow inherently wrong and raycis unless it fits your "oh-so-progressive" agenda.
>Virtually no European civilizations had a concept of a state in the 15th-18th century. What's your point?
That is objectively wrong. Where do you think the concept of the nation-state originated? Africa?

>What do you think an immigrant or refugee is once they arrive?
Not that anon, but they are squatters in an already established state.
We are not part of the developing world.

>Bullshit. Read your history, child.
Yeah why don't you read some actual history and not that common core trash you're so full of?

>muh not an argument
Yeah, because its only an "argument" when you can conceive of some bullshit counterpoint to inflate your ego even more.

>the travel bans have overwhelmingly negative public reception
Do you have any source for those, at all, aside from your beyond highly questionable mainstream media sources?

>Also, the USSR failed because the Russians tried to squash every other culture in it, not because it had those cultures

Oh yeah. Let me guess. It wasn't "true" communism either.

I'm thankful that history has proven time and again that absolute lunatics like you, the moment they get into power is the moment everything goes to shit and starts collapsing. But christ you insane asylum rejects are an absolute bother to put up with until them

>>10003424
FUCK YOU DFRUMPFTARD NAZI BIGOT RACIST RACIST NAZI BIGOT SEXIST RACIST FASCIST DIE DIE DIE!!!

>>10003424
>Native americans aren't really native to the Continent you fucking mongoloid.
THATS THE POINT!!! Christ, are you dense. What part of reductio ad absurdum do you not get? All of it?
>Where do you think the concept of the nation-state originated? Africa?
Europe. Just not in the 15th century. Learn some fucking history.
>Not that anon, but they are squatters in an already established state.
So are you. What's your point?
>We are not part of the developing world.
Are you from Mars, then? How's the weather?
>Yeah why don't you read some actual history and not that common core trash you're so full of?
Nice buzzword, kiddo. You hear your daddy complaining about it?
>Yeah, because its only an "argument" when you can conceive of some bullshit counterpoint to inflate your ego even more.
No, it's only an argument if it relates to the topic or at least makes something resembling a claim.
>Do you have any source for those, at all, aside from your beyond highly questionable mainstream media sources?
Oh, you're right. I should have been reading Stormfront and Breitbart. Grow up.
>Oh yeah. Let me guess. It wasn't "true" communism either.
Not an argument. Doesn't even relate to what we were talking about. See two points ago.
>I'm thankful that history has proven time and again that absolute lunatics like you, the moment they get into power is the moment everything goes to shit and starts collapsing.
We were in power for the last eight years. We managed to bring the country out of an enormous recession ,and once again outstrip even the entire European Union in terms of economic power. But keep living in your swampland fantasy world, gatorfucker. You "Real Americans" and your insistence on clinging to grandpappy's GI Bill land in unsustainable bumfuck nowhere are the only ones not sharing in on the success.

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Donald Trump will trigger the furries

The furry will trigger the Trumpites

It's a win/win for me and it's not even a real live actual Donald Trump with moving arm action

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>No actual discussion
you faggots had one job.

>>10004976
libertarian socialism is the only true political ideology

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>>9974768

>>9996100
>using social media at all

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>>9996284
lol

>>9997054
apparently he was involved in rioting during Trump's inauguration where he (allegedly) smashed a bunch of windows, flipped a limo with some other people, and attacked the driver, presumably when he tried to stop them.

>>9997854
that's the wrong flag for China

>>10000849
Putin's biggest lie yet, does this man have no shame?

>>10000880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol6GA4dMZw4

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>>10005949
>no sources

>>9999654
8*

>>10005913
I was about to argue with you, but then I looked at the chart. I'm only one pip over in Social Democracy....

I'm jewish.

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>>10006554
Memes.

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>>10003861
>liberal is so predictablly retarded he actually uses "educate urself" and "grow up" unironically on 4chins
>Being THIS upset

Practically a parody of autism at this point

>>10008396
>has no argument
>calls autism

>>10002214
What's this about?

>>9993751
>american war propaganda portrays america positively
Stop the fucking presses

>>10005949
>1.5 million Germans died myth
God, I wish Holocaust deniers didn't have to shoot themselves in the foot by reverse claiming genocide.

>>10002257
> I'm using Nationalist Socialist as an accurate label
No, you aren't. I've just explained why this is wrong. Respond to the argument instead of just stating you're right.

>does snowflake object to being insulted?
You're a dense one, aren't you? Point is that building a clause like "if you don't agree you're stupid" into your argument is not an actual argument. It serves no purpose other than you stroking your cock.

>where do Trump and the Nazis diverge?
Mate, you haven't even said where they converge. Right now Trump is unlike the nazis in literally everything. Even with supposedly scapegoating Muslims. Are Muslims being rounded up and sent into camps? Exempted from basic rights as citizens? No? Oh, there was this travel ban for a bunch of countries, not people from a certain religion. Huh. It's almost like you're talking out of your ass...

And I have to add, it's absolutely hilarious how you anti-Christian retards are suddenly so in favour of Islam.

>Oh, so it's only okay if you do it?
The point, you giant walking vagina, is that insulting people doesn't make you right, as you seem to think. Your entire argument is literally to insult people. Me, Trump, that other guy you're arguing with. your first and last recourse is to sling insults and then claim the other side is offended when they want you to make an actual argument.

>This isn't a 'Hitler ate sugar' argument
That's literally what is.

> I have described the basic fundamentals of the Fascist methodology
No, you haven't.

>so you don't find Nationalist Socialism repugnant
See, this? This is not an argument. This is just you saying -again- that anyone who doesn't agree with you is subhuman. Your entire argument is that Nazism is bad, and through the magic of black box reasoning, Trump is a Nazi. You damn well know you couldn't make this argument without Nazism, because without accusing everyone you don't like of being a Nazi, suddenly Trump's policy doesn't sound quite as extreme.

>>10009065
>has no argument

That's rich coming from the commie tard who's entire point is "everyone I don't like is evil".

>>10009515
>everyone i don't like is a commie

>>10009545
What? Are you suddenly objecting to that logic after using it this entire thread?

So you're a hypocrite as well.

>>10009571
I'm not him

>>10009584
Sure, bro.

But do I really have to explain the difference between a naked, uncomplicated insult and seriously trying to use an insult as an argument to you? I'm not arguing that he is a commie, and therefor evil. I'm calling him a commie because I don't like him.

>>10009691
>I'm not arguing that he is a nazi , and therefor evil. I'm calling him a nazi because I don't like him.
what wonders a simple word change can do

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Defend this Eurocucks
http://www.dw.com/en/the-wrong-ones-are-being-deported/a-38192952

>>10009731
Yeah you're totally that commienigger
you even talk just like a commie

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>>9996100
>Liberals are much more likely to block or ban you for wrongthink than conservatives. Hmm...really makes you think.

Nah. You saw the exact same thing with conservatives when Obama won.

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>>10010345
nope

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Past tweets from the youngest British MP currently serving.

>>10010366
I always hate this argument, it relies upon the whole "well sure but you guys did the exact same thing so it makes anything I do morally okay"
First off that is absolutely not the case.
Ever hear the quote about hatred begetting hatred?
I'm guessing not.
Secondly, remember the weathermen?
I'm guessing it was all before your time, but to get to the point, we're rapidly approaching the point, once again, where we will regularly see mass leftist terror attacks based on someone's political views.
And with society the way it is now?
Blame it on who or whatever you want, but do you really think people in america, hell, just in general, are better then when obama, or bush, or clinton, or so on and so forth became president?
We're in a vicious cycle, one that's repeated itself every time there's been a republic, and its terrifying to see that both sides are apparently so incredibly oblivious to the consequences of this
you are both driving us to the edge of a cliff, one that, thanks to the ability to destroy the entire planet through not just nuclear weapons but through irreparable damage via mass pollution, hell, even orbit destabilization and a variety of other things which humanity has never had the ability to do before...

Can't you at least consider the fucking potential consequences of your actions for once?
Both of you?
christ...

>>10010931
lol nukes aren't real you fag lol
just deactivate the atoms lol
retard
lol

>>9996565
>This guy is basically moaning about Trump for no reason
It's funny how disingenuous you tards are when you deliberately leave out information or make blatantly wrong statements to make himself look good.

>He never had a real point. He's just bitching. And he's bitching even harder because of the above fact.
No need to project about your own posts, anon.

>>9997700
Maybe OP shouldn't have been a faggot and made this thread.

>>10010931

>well sure but you guys did the exact same thing so it makes anything I do morally okay

Who the fuck is implying it's morally okay? You're missing the entire point of that argument, which is that because you do it, get the fuck off your high horse because you're in no position to talk.

>>9997822
kek

>>9997840
>and then they were both executed shortly afterwards

>>9997789

Proper socialization instead of being a neckbeard shutin. Religion was necessary to establish the common good thousands of years ago when nobody knew what that was. Now we have it and science is disproving all the stupid shit surrounding religion (creation myths especially) so we can just keep what keeps society in check and discard the rest that holds us back as a species.

>>10000707
Whites aren't native to America

What, do you think "but society says it's wroooong" is going to weigh in anyone's mind like "you'll suffer for eternity?"

>>10011725
>>10013033

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>>10011725

>>10009506
Well said, except for the "No you haven't", thats basically doing what he is doing

>>10013519
Huh, the more you know.

>>10013033
>>10013047

>implying people actually believe in hell

Nobody even somewhat rational still believes in hell. The only ones that still even recognize it's existance other than the occasional insult are zealots.

>>10010931
your just a rural and suburban retard so shut the fuck up. You don't get to have a voice you FUCKING WHITE MALE SHITLORD SCUM DIE DIE DIE FUCKING DIEEEE!!!!!!!

not an argument
not an argument
not an argument
ITS NOT A FUCKING ARGUMENT YOU FUCKING SHITLORD SCUM

>“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”

>>10008178
I never asked to be born jewish, it's simply what I am. I'm not particularly religious and don't really believe in god. I've never received any kind of special privileges for my faith and work a low paying job as an EMT.

Why do people spout so much hatred for me because of something I can't control? I'm no different from anyone else.

>>10009595
fallout 3 endings.jpg

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I mean you could always go the third way if you aren't happy

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>>10016338
>born Jewish
>don't really believe in god
>my faith
>can't control
It's either a race or a religion, nobody is born believing anything.

>>9980016
Having spent the past 9 hours reading this, I was extremely shocked by the absolutely cold impression it seemed to leave on its readers.
The ones that didn't leave a simple "tl:dr" showed utter disregard for its content.

It's insane.

>>10005949
Got any source for that?

>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
>Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

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>>9963658
umm, that one better be intentional.

Honestly I just do 20 + 6 + 7. That's easy enough to do in my head. Also FOIL, even if it takes a bit of time to do the numbers in your head, that shit is so useful.

Still can't do hundreds multiplied by hundreds though... gets too messy.

>>10011489
Funny how quick liberals are to use the projection meme

Are you a little upset? Maybe a quick trip to the showers will cure you of your ills?

Yuge

>>10021645
DDDDDDDDDDDDDRRRRRUUUUUUUMMMMMMMPPPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFF IIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>10017083
Unfortunately its both, if I had lived through ww2 in Europe the nazis would have murdered me because I was born into a religion that I don't believe in and is a very minor part of my identity. That people can defend such actions disgusts me.

>>10024481
this meme is not amusing

>>10024515
lol u just trigrt libtard mad cuz drump won lol

>>10024515
>>10024536
RURAL AND SUBURBAN DRUMPFTARDS!
DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!!!!

>>10024505
If you don't believe a religion then it's not part of your identity. The Nazis went after non-practicing Jews because they claimed to be a separate race when it was convenient, or a religious minority of whites when it was convenient. Either you accept the premise that God wanted you to be part of a group he viewed differently from the rest of humanity, or you don't.
https://www.algemeiner.com/2015/04/28/british-ethnologist-richard-dawkins-jew-is-not-a-race/

>>10024644
you act as if the nazis commit genocide on a person to person basis. They killed based on who your ancestors were, not your own personal identity. Because my grand parents were jews I'd have been marked for death.

Are you justifying that kind of murderous ideology?

Night

triggered

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>>9991390
>mfw that filename isn't Trumped-up charges

>>10021645
>projects
>if I call it a meme I can pretend I'm not doing it

Trump

>>9993998
so you needed propaganda to get moving?
shit, that explains a lot of things

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>>10001951

I am completely for a return to this.

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>>9991390

>>10031269
that's what the fucking sandnigger gets for larping as jebus

>>10024774
They also killed Freemasons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and homosexuals, in case you weren't aware.

>>10033325
That's bad?

>>10037333
No, just pointing out that they killed people with no genetic connection to each other. Also that it's weird to automatically accept Nazi views of ethnicity.

>>10037333
Personally I'd say killing the freemasons was bad, at its heart they're just a bunch of builders larping as a sekrit club

Yuge

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>>10001173
>Napoleon likes riding dick lel

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Special Olympics, the world's largest sports organization for children and adults with intellectual disabilities, is actually a Democrat money laundering scheme

YUGE

>>10044765
>Mary David
>Mary McAleeese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2jUhnCU9iA

>>10051453
what is this implying?

>>10051679
That we're gonne die but it's ok because we didn't cause it.
Like standing in a forest and it is burning because of the drought, but you're told you can just continue your little pick-nick because it's not your fault you're going to burn to death.

Some assholes seem to think you should start calling the fire-brigade or dig fire trenches, but their are socialist hippies faggots.

>>9977767
This is what "striking the other chek" means. People back then knew it and weren't retarded enough to be pacifist.

And they're surprised they're losing sympathy?

Why is ironic falseflagging a thing?

>>10053648
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CLIMATE DISASTER ANY DAY NOW

>>10011725
Ironically, science is proving that religiousity and rational thinking are linked in the same brain region. Deactivating it with magnets makes a person unable to understand metaphors, solve or even recognize all sorts of problems, and have a positive stance on immigration.

Oh and don't let me get started on how religion is a lot more than just creation myths, some of which happened to display the formation of the universe increasingly correctly by reading the figures of speech. For exmple, the time period between "creation" and "recreation" is roughly 28 billion sun-arounds in Hindu astrology, or the Christian notion that placebo effect can be controlled by meditation which they called praying. If you ever read the books in their entirety you'd know that.

It turns out theologians have some of the highest IQs in history. Neurologically it makes perfect sense.

>>10059055
I've always wondered that

>>10059055
There was an infographic by a Japanese himself with lots of moon runes comparing facial structures and even skull shapes used in animes.

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>>9980411

>>10013519
>>10013863
>>10022349


Evidence that libtards are wrong . If they think that it's the religion of peace, boi they should bring their gay friends to the middle East and see what happens.

P.s I am a cuck boi and I would get Allah akbared instantly , that's the reason why I hate sand niggers.

>>9977878
Was this the time where a literally autistic commie decided to attempt to kill a trump supporter by tardtackling them down a flight of stairs, only to turn out to have mistaken a blatantly anti-trump speaker for one?

Because kek.

>>10009142
anime tiddy

>>9974768
I haven't read the post, but what's with all the replies all of a sudden?

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>>9963579
Since we are sharing political views, am I the only one here believes that white people are the most sensitive beings on earth?
>Black character refers a white character a "white character" for no reasons
>right side get's triggered and assume it's #whitegenocide
>Sjw is filled with white people
>[insert whatever]
>Triggered
>The mainstream normie media
>Someone made a black joke
>normie white people get's triggered and assume that person is racist

>>9998569
>people like this are real

Thank god they don't actually vote.

>>10071936
It's actually Jews. Now all you need to decide is whether they're a race or a religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE

>>10071936
I'm afraid you're going to have to speak proper English if you want to have a conversation with white people about these concerns that you have.

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>>10072728

>this level of autism

you can understand the post stop being a faggot

>>9963579
Fuck off to pol you dumb fucking stormfags.

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>>9963579
Hello my fellow /trash/ rats, I wanna red pill you with liberalism in Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF-Lof8Qiy4

>>10054895
WE'RE NOT ALL DROWNING OR BURNING TO DEATH RIGHT NOW SO EVERYTHING IS FINE