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>>9346092
I sort of feel like drawing him again.

>>9346328
How about drawing him off-duty? If the rats ever go off-duty... I think the Albert and Gustine Era had a mention of one of the rats having a family, which implies a domestic life, but that's probably been retconned by now.

>>9346285
I would totally read a comic by PA.

Strip's up. Poor little donkey woman.

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>>9349388
She is a mule.

And scared out of her mind.

>>9345344
Hopefully it isn't the remains of horse waifu.

>>9349446
>Those shadows
Heather's going to schism isn't she.

>>9350488
Read the new strip.

>>9349446
Uh, seeing shades of Jim's turn, here, with his "raccoon ghosts". Though I was pretty sure Schism was a one-time thing and once you were over it, you were over it?

I hope we're not about to see another avatar of Eye...

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>>9350768
And I forgot my pic.

>>9349446
>>9350768
>>9350778
>>9350786
>arc was originally going to be about Dottie sleuthing her way through this and discovering the secret of the water supply in the process
>now it's going to basically be a partial do-over of Unity because Aaron has compressed and hastened the overarching story arc (so we're seeing Eye again sooner) and is hoping a repeat of Jim's sequence will bring readers back, the same way the original attracted a bunch of them

>>9351362
People so far barely care about Heather. He needs to show the real thing. We need JimGod back.

I don't think that's what he is going for, anyway.

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>>9351543
So... you think we're more likely to see Heather cantering around on all fours, neighing, and kicking or biting anyone who comes near her?

Isn't this kind of late for Schism Syndrome, though? I thought it was a "danger zone" thing that you passed out of once you accepted your mutation... Jim was especially vulnerable because he was a stressed-out recent mutant, Gustine and Wally were having issues because they'd specifically resisted it for ages until they had (or were given) their epiphanies, but the one who's been implied to be having problems like that this arc is Portia (general body issues being her one bit of characterisation aside from "nice girl"), not Heather.

>>9351693
No, I don't think Heather will Schism. She's just having a panic attack after so many wolf incidents.

>>9352042
Quite possibly. I guess Schisming would cut her "missing pig friend" storyline short, because I don't think it's something you come back from, is it? I feel like it's been implied to be a one-way street, once a mutant hits 100% Schsim...

>>9349446
Oh, just realised, Aaron just gave us Bullcop's name, Ben. And he's on a first name basis with Firecat ("Teaser", perhaps? I doubt Aaron's a Cat Stevens fan, though).

... Ben Bull? Ben Bovine? Ben Something-that-sounds-like-it-refers-to-cows-but-is-actually-a-legit-human-name?

Maybe she is is giving into that primal fear of predators and will become feral.

>>9349446
>Next panel one of the many wolves that now comprise Endtown's population sees her freaking out
>good or bad they approach
>Heather snaps and kills them because she's a panicked horse and legitimately has the strength to do it
>Milk Trial Arc repeat centered around Heather Hoss v Wolf community
Sure can see this thing about being true to your animal side is working out great. Thanks Jacob, your lust for power just keeps killing more people.

>>9349446
I think Heather's name suggests she's a horse, but if she *is* a mule... did her mutation accidentally make her sterile, I wonder?

>>9353544
The general rule seems to be "if they can fuck they can reproduce" but since the genitals are the least human part in mutants (for some reason) Heather might be sterile just to be accurate to her species.

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>>9352509
What if this isn't a chapter about racism or government or the media but instead is just going to be a slasher flick. Heather schisms and murders the shit out of everybody. The wolves are all unsympathetic so they're like teens in a slasher movie. The only hard part if finding hockey mask for a horse.

>>9353637
Or a William Shatner mask. Heatherween?

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>>9353637
That is so lowbrow but I prefer it to what we have now.

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>>9353668
Michael Myers. Heather Hoss. Works pretty well. The amount of rubber horse masks doesn't hurt either.

>>9354586
A+
Apologywolf VS Heather crossover movie, when?

>>9354586
I wonder how unsettling more realistic animals look to naturalized anthro mutants. A really realistic rubber horse mask over a cartoonier horse face must be creepy as hell in this postwar environment.

>>9354586
The horsemasks don't have eyeholes and do have colors, though.

>>9354733
What's an apology wolf?
>>9354844
>>9354883
They cut out the eyes and painted William Shatner mask white to make the Michel Myers masks.

>>9354948
>What's an apology wolf?
See >>9353680. Made from speculation about ArsonWolf coming to his senses and stopping himself from harming Heather, then trying to apologize before getting hurt by something. As you can see, it's hard to predict things in Endtown.

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>>9354586
>DON JUAN
>[LETHAL DOORS]

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>>9355231

>>9355086
>Made from speculation about ArsonWolf coming to his senses and stopping himself from harming Heather, then trying to apologize before getting hurt by something. As you can see, it's hard to predict things in Endtown.
I interpreted that more as a group joke than a serious attempt at prediction.

>>9356019
I thought it was more a joke than a prediction too.

>make some predictions
>none come true
>offhandedly snark about the fumes for the gas cans and question why the wolf didn't pass out
>he actually did

I need to do more crit drawings and see if I can remain accidentally prophetic. Though I don't know why Aaron framed it like it was a mystery who the burned body was. I think for the twist him showing the wolf chase Heather and her looking at the open back door followed by a shot of someone throwing the torch would have served the mystery better.

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>>9355231
Heatherline Miami
>>9355086
Self immolation is the ultimate form of protest. That's why after that monk lit him self on fire China totally let Tibet be its own country.

>>9356148
Are we still going with "Wolf had to be passed out already so someone else had to have thrown the match"?

I think it *is* possible he tossed it right before fainting.

>>9356220
Ouch. But nice splatter effect.

>>9356238
That laundry building wasn't very big by the look of it and I can't personally believe that the wolf sloshed the gas everywhere, lit a torch, then threw the torch and passed out before he got out.

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>>9356340
I want to say that's definitely a match.

But now you say that, I'm getting a mental image of Marx tossing the match, standing over the unconscious wolf while wearing a gas mask and muttering "Tch. If you want something done right..."

>>9356474
The way the third panel is framed (unlike panel 2 where we can see the wolf's arms) is a little strange. I do really like the idea of Marx starting the fire because the bastard justifies murder for greater good and gives me even more reasons to not like him. It's even the perfect crime because absolutely no one would think otherwise.

Also I like it because he smokes and he DEFINITELY would have matches on his person. Him lighting up a cigar, giving that line, and carelessly tossing the match would be pretty good.

>>9356569
Though it was said in fun, actually kinda disappointed that the body didn't turn out to be Marx.

Now that would be a holy shit moment.

>>9356220
>Heatherline Miami

Makes me want to draw the Hotline Miami 2 cover only with Heather.

>>9356220
You have good mask preferences.

The issues with Holly and Dottie make me worried that either we're not going to see Linda again, or for all intents and purposes she'll be written as a different character when she does return.

>>9361702
I'd love to see an arc where Linda under Mallard's behest sends her to her former Topsiders colony to sabatoge the Topsider's satellite, essentially bugging or hijacking it from them. We could also get a glimpse of Topsiders life and see more of the society she and Jim briefly talked about in their own respective experiences. I want to see if there actually is a semblance of bizarre normal human life pantomimed through creepy white suits.

In some ways the Topsiders are a lot like Endgame Holly; they find comfort in the illusion they built around themselves and violently reject reality surrounding them. Difference is they have the power to act on that derangement.

>>9361750
Without Flask, Pete and Wally plus the functioning satellite and other new technologies... it would be a certain suicide. The only way to take the satellite down is to beg Marx for it or for Mallard to make a weapon of mass destruction that can get rid of topsiders for good.

>>9351362

Sounds more like Aaron is pulling the same story twice.

>>9361943
If Endtown has some Dittos then while stupidly dangerous there's a possibility a mutant can infiltrate while being invisible which disallows the others to be seen. Linda would know how her settlement works better than anyone. Outfit her, Petey, and Petey's PT girlfriend in matching robot body and we could have a thrilling arc about espionage against the worse-than-hitler Topsiders.

The three as a bonus are relatively small and if the available Dittos aren't that numerous then a smaller team (two that boast some great durability and abilities, one with the most intel) make a good core.

Then just slap in Linda's emotional conflict regarding her child left behind in the same colony and we'd be cooking with gas!

>>9356220
run.mp3

>>9362490
You're right, making it a personal mission for Linda would be a great motivation. Her actually seeing her son again would be sweet.

>>9365468
>Implying the Topsiders haven't already instilled zealous hatred for her now mutie mother into him.

>>9366463
He was a baby, it's been 2 years tops.

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> all this art
pretty good

Fifty imaginary bucks says we get another Fozzy Bear and Miss Piggy session within the next five strips.

>>9373832
At least it wouldn't be jarring this time, it has been a while since we saw them.

So what now?

Dottie next, writing her article and either Philo letting her run it because reasons, or she somehow goes behind his back to get it published (because that'd be about par for how she's being written lately)?

Walt and Portia, learning about the riot?

Walt and Portia, learning about the riot VIA an article by Dottie?

Staying with the cops for a moment, as we get an update on Harbottle? Even odds he was seriously hurt going through that windscreen... it certainly didn't look like he was fighting with the others.

>>9376138
Oh... or following Heather as she goes on a maniacal, paranoid scramble through the town before something happens to her to end it? She does look like she's lost it...

>>9376146
>She does look like she's lost it...
It's a shame, her character seemed to be set up for something more complex than that.

>>9376388
I'd say she has marginally more characterisation than Portia. Unlike Portia, though, she feels like she had something more going on than just being a macguffin and romantic prop.

Oh, well. Maybe whatever happens to her will eventually see her set on the path to regaining her senses. Or maybe she'll meet Sanitation Wolf again and after some crazy misunderstandings the comic will gain a real odd couple.

(InB4 "This is Endtown, where everything sucks and only gets worse". It's not at all inaccurate, but both the meme and the theme are getting a little stale...)

>>9376501
>This is Endtown, where everything sucks and only gets worse
There should be genuinely nice moments that make up for how much everything sucks to at least make it tolerable. Things like Gustine giving up her chance to not be a rhino just to save Al (and both of them being happy with Al giving her the ring looped through a necklace) was absolutely fantastic.

It has to feel genuine for it to really work, just those little nice things in life that make life WORTH living outside the hellish post-apocalypse that we are constantly privy to.

Portia and Walt and before that Holly's Choice and Wally's Acceptance both felt far less genuine for 'happier turns'.

>>9376715
But we also had The Ballad of Holly and Wally and those bittersweet moments with Linda's cake before The Milk Trial.

>>9376715
>>9376756
>Al and Gustine
>Wally and Holly's best times
>Linda's Cake Quest
>Back when the comic was still kinda fun, and adventurous, and occasionally genuinely sweet, and capable of making me chuckle because it didn't take itself quite so seriously all the time

>before The Milk Trial.

>>9376756
Point taken, resting points in a story laden with tragedy make the situations feel less dense overall and achieve a narrative balance. Those moments, or maybe something comical in between, helps a lot.

>>9376801
Oh no, I completely agree with you. I was just saying that there were those other two moments (I guess Kirbee and Wally should count too but fuck that).

>>9376824
You're right that there's a conspicuous drop of it after the Milk Trial. I think the only thing I got a chuckle with after that was Jim's super cheesy pun when he threw the egg plate in the lizard's face that, coincidentally, made me like Jim even more.

But definitely everything after that point was just dense or attempting at a nice levity while ignoring the giant elephant in the room, which soured the attempt.

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>>9376501
>Or maybe she'll meet Sanitation Wolf again and after some crazy misunderstandings the comic will gain a real odd couple.
I'm torn between wanting to see Heather schism and turn into a murder machine, and Heather and sanitation wolf get together while Endtown collapses around them. I'm starting to lean to the latter because Heather needs a hug damn it.

>>9377866
If Heather schisms she could just turn into a boring old mad horse, Jim's case was supposed to be pretty unique.

Strip's up.

>>9379317
>He's pissed about the FOOD SHORTAGE
WOLF VS PIGS FALSE FLAG, MADE TO DISTRACT FROM THE FOOD SHORTAGE

WEW
E
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>>9379317
>>9379456
Yep. We're back to "everything and everybody is terrible".

Fuck this new Dottie, by the way.

>>9379662
>we finally see Jacob
Goddamn and here I thought we never were going to see him.

So, theories on what's going on? I'm guessing that the social issues are manufactured and the attitudes of many Endtowners that likely need more food to function correctly are declining, so they're looking for someone to blame. Pigs get scapegoated easily, especially if it seems like they're gaining weight instead of losing it like others in the population.

Though I have to ask: why pigs? We already established as early as the Sparkplug arc that Gustine has to eat a LOT of food because of her size and species now, so wouldn't this species enmity expand on other 'fat' species like rhinos, elephants, hippos, and even bears? Is it because unlike the other categories the pigs are easier to confront directly opposed to someone like Walt who'll smash your face in the moment its insinuated?

>>9379787
There is cows too but you can't be rude to the ones who give milk.

>>9379824
Yeah I figured cows and chickens probably get a pass because they 'provide' in exchange for nutrition. Having that milk is real nice with the eggs. Cheese omelets are probably high cuisine now considering the shortage in anything else.

>>9379787
>why pigs?
Because precious bacon.

I approve Jacob. In a food sortage you need to cull the bigger eaters who provide less.

>thread gets posted on /co/
>it gets archived in under 3 posts
>in the middle of the USA daytime/early evening depending on the timezones
How the mighty have fallen

>>9380574
fucking stop posting it there and instead try to liven up here

>>9380574
/co/ is going stupidly fast right now, I noticed it was on page 9 and got archived before I could post. Checked the catalog for spam but there is nothing unusual save for the amount of Samurai Jack threads. The Poppy thread also got archived a bit before (which is how I noticed).

>>9380602
Kill yourself.

>>9380602
I didn't post in there dude, I was browsing /co/ and saw it on my catalog list. I looked at it to see who was posting and it was already archived. I stopped seriously posting in /co/ a while ago, I just roll around here in the /trash/ since conversation is much more interesting an involved plus it has all the original content.

>>9379662
Once again, I have the feeling Aaron decided (at some point after the start of the arc) that there was a role that needed to be played in this story, and rather than making up a suitable character, he just used Dottie.

Oh well. The "Flash to someone reading Dottie's article" thing was correct, anyway.

>>9379787
Well, food in Endtown is logically rationed out since there's a food crisis, the pigs that are eating more have to be getting it from somewhere, and there's been no mention of food thefts or anything... if it's not Jacob, it's someone with connections, most likely.

Or Marx. Again. And nobody's checking for changes in the levels of the stockpiles because there's no signs of any break-ins.

As for why pigs... a combination of >>9380327 (bacon) and the fact that all the other big eaters are large and potentially dangerous if they don't like what's happening to them. Seems all the pigs are just short-to-midgetty fat people.

>>9381922
Although, now I've said that, if Jacob's denying there's a food crisis or angry about it being reported (possibly because there is one and he doesn't know what to do about it), it might indicate that he's still handing out food willy nilly while trying to keep information on stock levels a secret.

Hey, maybe his administration's leaking a lot...

(I would think, with an uncertain food supply, food in Endtown would be rationed by default, though. You'd think they'd want to stretch it as far as possible in case their attempts to create a secure food source took longer to pan out than they thought)

>>9381922
So do you think Jacob is purposefully rationing more food towards the pigs? What about the disappearances?

>the rats weren't fired, they just became CIA tier black-van after hours operators

>>9382146
The most curious thing about the disappearances is that Endtown was suddenly full of public vehicles shortly after it was mentioned here that such a transport would probably be necessary to properly disappear a pig quickly and cleanly with no witnesses. I feel like that one got back to Aaron, although there was an entire list of issues with the mystery and that was only one of them.

Could be a red herring, though, because now all speculation regarding mysterious occurrences in this comic can be appended with a sigh and an "... or it was Marx again", which makes it a little hard to commit to being properly interested in speculating about such things or trying to build up a coherent picture.

But on the whole I think the lack of bodies and nobody having smelled bacon cooking or curing so far, or having come upon the inevitable rumours bacon consumption would produce, suggests that the pigs are all alive and being held somewhere. Possibly they are being used in some heinous way. Lipo-siphoning of tasty bacon fat (currently being stockpiled) has dark-side parallels with the eggs and milk.

Or possibly the entire point is to simply point the finger of suspicion at wolves/predators while giving said carnivores a reason of their own to be angry (they crave meat so they're even hungrier than everyone else, but those annoying little fat pigs seem to be getting their appetites sated, which isn't fair...), although Jacob doesn't seem to care about the newspapers pushing things the other way (possibly because, as mentioned, many people don't believe it and just think the paper is biased).

Perhaps he really is dumb enough to think he can simply solve the food crisis by "recycling" citizens, though I doubt it.

As for the rats, I think the general rank and file might be up for that, but I wonder if Freeman would. That was his name, right? He seemed a lot more intelligent, level headed and serious than the others (in before they're all second-rate clones of him).

>>9382146
>>9382591
To make an addition: One thing I do suspect is that we're about to get a hint of how much Jacob knows about the disappearances. If it's not him, I currently suspect someone underneath him in the hierarchy. Possibly the weasel.

>>9382701
Considering how weasels were portrayed in early Disney cartoons, and hell even up to today, they're always duplicitous bad guys, though they typically work for someone else (Mr. Winky, Judge Doom) than manufacture evil on their own. She filled that role well against panda man in Milk Trial so I'm wondering if she'll continue the trend against Jacob next.

>>9382591
>Freeman
If the rats were something different than actual mutants I could believe Freeman was the one who actually was a mutant among the rest. Whatever the hell the others are we're supposedly going to be explained so this is the arc where that hopefully will happen.

At least we finally have something juicy to extrapolate on that matters narratively, I was going bonkers with how this arc was progressing. The disappearances, the food shortage, Jacob's hand in running Endtown; it all had to come up through the smokescreen bullshit eventually, though imo it took far too long to reach this point.

>>9382973
Re: Weasels. That's about the view I was taking, yes. She seems to be calmer and more in control than Jacob; I would not be surprised at all to find out she was likely subtly manipulating him at very turn in the form of "advice", "support" and "suggestions". It might explain where he got his sudden political savvy from.

Re: Rats. One of the weirdest things about the rats is that while they, according to Aaron, aren't mutants, there also don't seem to be any actual mutant rats in Endtown, when you'd expect to see them around (and going by the other mutants, you'd expect them to be larger than mice, while the security rats are shorter than pretty much everyone).

I honestly think it took this long to get to Jacob because, what with the current political/leadership craziness in the US, Aaron wasn't at all sure what to do with him or how to handle him. It's probably hard to depict ridiculous political insanity when what's happening IRL is outdoing anything you could write at every turn.

>endtown is going the way of unity
Save the waifus+ Al
Except for Dottie, that wolf slut.

>>9383621
>Except for Dottie, that wolf slut.
Dottie and the wolf slut can have a cage match. Winner gets to escape Endtown. (My money is on Dottie.)

>>9380602
>>9380629
I know I'm sticking my nose where it doesn't belong but how about we start having the /co/ thread be a weekly thing.

>>9383712
I think you're thinking of the (literal) wolf bitch from the Laundry scene? The one that got slapped?

Unless you're talking about Denise the mercenary lawyer pig. My money would still be on Dottie in either case.

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>>9383820
Mis-read your post, sorry. But still a cage match would be awesome. Adding Denise to the cage match would be great as well. And your right Dottie can out run and take down Heather. It would be like sending lambs to slaughter.

>>9383915
Oh, wasn't my post, I was just interjecting.

I feel like this is something that might be right up Pen Anon's alley, though, if it takes his fancy.

>>9384279
I meant Dottie was essentially a slut for wolves desu.
The wolf chick could burn too, she's not a cute waifu and she hurt a cute waifu.

>>9384422
Waifuism and memes aside (far, far aside, for preference), I noticed even the GoComics people have been speculating that Dottie has a wolf friend, or boyfriend, or something. Because that's about the only way her change in character and intent would even remotely begin to make sense in-universe, and even the GoComickers are puzzled by it.

>>9383805
I've been thinking of the same thing.

>>9385056
I'm glad you were too. The activity is a little slow but I still like the /co/ threads. I've noticed we've had the most activity on Monday or Friday so either of those days would work best.

>>9385181
Monday strips tend to answer or start something, Wednesday strips tend to be filler and Friday is when Aaron drops bombs so I think Friday is the best day. We just have to make sure everyone agrees.

And please ignore the idiot who objects to /co/ threads, it's obvious at this point that it's just a troll.

>>9384614
That's entirely possible, but like Holly, we don't really know Dottie's back story, so it could be something deeper.

>>9382591
>But on the whole I think the lack of bodies and nobody having smelled bacon cooking or curing so far, or having come upon the inevitable rumours bacon consumption would produce,

Good point. Graves in Endtown have to be jack hammered out of the ground, so disposing of a body or even just bones would be tricky.

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>>9384279
Sure why not. (I learned my lesson not to get fancy with chain link fence.)

>>9385778

Feed 'em to the pigs.

>>9385961
That's real neat-o.

>>9385726
We know she got down into Endtown before the bombs fell, and I feel like any major trauma in her past is even less foreshadowed than (the seriousness of) Holly's was. So, what, nature writer dealing with wolf-reintroduction, pre-war? That'd be a bit of a stretch for me. Especially in ultra-urbanised Neitherland.

>>9385778
>>9385976
I was talking more about the "suicides" with no bodies left behind. One? Okay, maybe he just wandered off into the caverns. More than that? No coincidence, people would be getting suspicious.

>>9385961
Once again, Pen Anon brings the smiles in bad times. Nicely done, I like the outfits.

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>>9376501
>Or maybe she'll meet Sanitation Wolf again and after some crazy misunderstandings the comic will gain a real odd couple.
I drew some real filth. /trash/ doesn't have spoilers so there's no way I can hide it. I'll censor the first one for those weak of heart.

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Yo what if old dottie fought wolf waifu dottie?

Also i came up with a theory to explain what the fuck everything is, right. See, the Endtown universe relies on the multiverse theory. Now the main problem with multiverse theory philosophically is that it eliminates the concept of self-control, as a new universe would be created for every freaking little change and choice. Like not just deciding which shirt to wear. But like how many buttons you decide to button up. Or the angle at which you look at the mirror when you button up your shirt. The littlest of things, generating thier own universe. Thats just with your actions too. Never mind everyone elses. This video better explains it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaEkdQiweVE

So my point is, with their being a multiverse there would have to be a god. What if the fucking characters end up meeting Aaron at the end? And its all just some kind of metaphor? Or Blunt maxim? Or a fucking Jesus meme?

Its 3Am.

>>9387358
So cute, it almost warrants some real porn.

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>>9387437
You asked for it. Hot hand on hand action.

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>>9387577
CEASE
CEASE
CEAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE

>>9387358
>>9387577
Boy, this would be a sure-fire permaban in /co/, even censored. Good thing we have /trash/ for this kind of perversity.

>>9387404
This has come up before. Eye and Marx both seem like aspects of Aaron, and the possibility was raised that Marx's entire fourth-wall-aware schtick is sustaining the universe by trying to make the plot "interesting" so that readers stick around and send ad- and Patreon-money to Aaron (which would make his spiel at the end of the Ship Arc ironic, considering what seems to have happened to the fanbase afterwards...)

>>9387404
>What if the fucking characters end up meeting Aaron at the end?
I suspecte this too. It all seems to build up to one big metacommentary.

>>9379662
>>9382133
Late thought: Jacob might also be angry that the food crisis thing is relegated to a little article instead of the front page. In that case... if he WANTS the public to worry about it, there may in fact be no real food shortage, and he may be hoarding the food supplies to cause stress and some kind of pred/prey split. In which case, be prepared for a revelation that the hydroponics have been functional since shortly after he came to power and only he and the political elite have known and had access to them and the food they produce.

>>9391278
That would be interesting but bring up a question about Mallard's involvement if he finished the hydroponics but his creation was being withheld from the public.

I'm hoping nothing happened to him in the interim since I actually really like Mallard and he is the only character outside massive Gary Stu Marx who has a chance at handling the present Topsiders threat.

>>9391425
I'd imagine Mallard would have had plans on plans laid in case things went wrong in Endtown, at least to ensure his own survival (but probably also planning longterm - smart as he is, he probably still needs a society to live in, and I don't think he's completely without a desire for human company). Last we saw, outside of setting Wally up with a mission, he seemed to mostly be focused on his studies in his private lab. It could be that the hydroponics project has been taken out of his hands - it's not superscience, after all, probably more of an infrastructure thing. I certainly hope we see him again... and that he acts like himself.

It also occurs to me that Jackrabbit might be "saving up" the hydroponics/food thing until people are really desperate, ready to reveal the new food supply (with a suitably self-aggrandising story) at just the right time to be hailed as a hero.

If there's any justice, the plotline in that case will have Dottie busting the whole thing wide open, discovering the location of the hydroponics and the source of Endtown's water into the bargain. She just has to get over her Outofcharacteritis, first.

It'll be funny if it turns out there's been a huge cavern with a lake and a bunch of plants right next to Endtown for the last two years or so.

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>>9391554
>we now have to worry that Aaron will take old characters and subject them to flanderization or make them entirely out of character
I miss the days where I had faith in Aaron aside the possibility of Marx appearing.

>>9391637
Well, he did say he didn't want us to be "comfortable" about the characters... doubt this is what he meant, though, with people not knowing where they stand and not trusting Aaron or the narrative enough to get invested in new characters (lack of actual characterisation aside).

>>9391776
I thought 'don't be comfortable' meant something similar to people who liked Allie or Jim in that shit could happen and someone you like dies. Not that they get wildly out of character for the purposes of making them outstandingly unlikable so it justifies whatever bad thing happens later on.

For example, Sarah was someone we didn't know very well. But the longer she was onscreen we could see she wasn't a nice person and didn't have positive traits to apply to her. Jim meanwhile, for being a jerk, also is incredibly loyal to Sarah which is a positive trait. It's just basic characterization, little things that let us know about the characters we watch. When they're presented contrary to how they were originally built the dissonance breaks the suspension of belief and sours the experience of the reader.

I really hate what Aaron did to Dottie in this arc. There's absolutely no reason for her change, it just happens midbuildup and we're supposed to buy it.

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>>9391637
Yeah, it's nuts. Characters used to be one of the strongest points of Endtown. Marx destroyed the semi-realistic tone, now that Aaron doesn't care about the characters there is really nothing special about this comic.

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>>9392090
According to others I've seen the 'special' thing about Endtown is the creator's work ethic in his comic and consistency in the update schedule.

I guess it is special but less so when the quality of story content degrades. The quality and original consistency was impressive but lately it's all running out of steam. If the supposed involvement and importance of the overall story of Endtown (Marx) ends up being true then the beginning was a fluke and we're seeing the extent of storytelling Aaron can manage.

That or he has the ability but is too wrapped up in his own ego. It happens to plenty of artists who have talent but let it go to their heads, especially if they have that one 'precious idea'. I went to art school myself for animation and something the professors pushed was to NEVER be uncompromising and this whole entertainment thing is formost a business. If you are stubborn and immobile in your 'vision' then prepare to reap the lack of benefits for it when nobody else likes or supports it.

Constant negative viewer feedback would makes someone think maybe Marx was a bad idea and quietly let him slip out of the narrative but not Aaron, hell no.

>>9392317
>According to others I've seen the 'special' thing about Endtown is the creator's work ethic in his comic and consistency in the update schedule.
Howard Taylor's got him and Endtown beat, there, with Schlock Mercenary. Seven strips a week, not a single missed strip in over sixteen years, and the man still makes time for a family and running a small merchandise empire.

>I guess it is special but less so when the quality of story content degrades. The quality and original consistency was impressive but lately it's all running out of steam.
He. Needs. To. Take. A. BREAK.

>If the supposed involvement and importance of the overall story of Endtown (Marx) ends up being true then the beginning was a fluke and we're seeing the extent of storytelling Aaron can manage.
It almost feels like the pre-Milk-Trial stuff was written by a different person.

(1/2)

>>9392317
>>9392614
(2/2)

>That or he has the ability but is too wrapped up in his own ego. It happens to plenty of artists who have talent but let it go to their heads, especially if they have that one 'precious idea'. I went to art school myself for animation and something the professors pushed was to NEVER be uncompromising and this whole entertainment thing is formost a business. If you are stubborn and immobile in your 'vision' then prepare to reap the lack of benefits for it when nobody else likes or supports it.
I think Aaron dropped the desire for his comic to be widely-appealing and super-popular when someone showed him what Patreon was. Now he's just happy to sit there writing something that increasingly just appeals to himself (effectively self-pandering, even though he's claimed he doesn't pander), supported by a bunch of people who signed up to help him not die because they liked the comic he was making, and probably now just keep going because they've already kept him alive via patronage for two years and it'd feel like a waste of money if they cut his cash flow off now.

In retrospect the Patreon may have been a mistake.

>Constant negative viewer feedback would makes someone think maybe Marx was a bad idea and quietly let him slip out of the narrative but not Aaron, hell no.
I suspect he simply discards negative feedback as anomalous. Even if it comes at a high enough volume to provoke things like that tirade in his December email.

>>9392629
"Pay me to show your support for Endtown and my ability to tell a story" is what I remember it started as and hell at the time that was good enough reason to pay in. If it really evolved into 'pay me so I don't die' then you'd think he'd be more accommodating to his audience, not treat them so smugly.

I know I won't pay into his Patreon even if his pledge dips under his liviable wage bracket. There's artistic integrity and then there's ungrateful egotism; I'm not going to be guilted into keeping him alive. He can keep himself alive if his storytelling skills can't hack it.

>>9392629
>In retrospect the Patreon may have been a mistake.
This. It was good to save Aaron in a pinch but it seems to have damaged the comic in the long run.

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>>9392722
It was both, even from the start. "I need food and medicine and I'd like to trade you a good story for them. PWYW"

>>9392914
Maybe a GoFundMe would have been a better idea. It seems to be working for Selina.

>>9392941
It will never not bother me that he used Wally, of all characters, for this.

>>9392941
>because everybody likes a happy ending
He should have thought that when making Holly's.

>>9393129
Didn't he think the ending Holly got WAS a happy ending?

Ignoring the desiccated corpses in the ship that Aaron established for some retarded reason. Pretty sure if he neglected that little addition the audience could believe Holly could live in the Matrix since it seemed to provide good and water to Wally and Co in the flashback sequence.

>>9393206
*food
Fucking autocorrect

>>9393206
Even then, people were wondering where the hell it came from, and there was more than a little speculation it was the remains of previous victims (which, when you think about, pre-empts the current arc).

I have difficulty believing a mostly defunct ship could manufacture or even preserve food.

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>>9393292
>there was more than a little speculation it was the remains of previous victims
Jesus Christ

>>9393206
>Pretty sure if he neglected that little addition the audience could believe Holly could live in the Matrix
Didn't she take over as captain of the ship to avoid being used as fuel?

>>9393440
'Captain'. How was it that none of the corpse bubbles we saw had someone turn the ship into their personal playground but Holly magically managed it? She wasn't the first person to enter the ship, clearly, but is the only living thing in the illusion at this point.

Chances are the ship tells whoever gets inside it that they are the 'captain' and then the ship leeches their 'captain' and any unfortunates who wander in dry before taking a new 'captain' once the last one dies.

Notice that the ship was trying desperately to keep Wally and Co from leaving, and not because they 'rescued' Holly.

>>9393440
>>9393466
The whole arrangement is left ambiguous. Unintentionally and due to running out of time I suspect; as an illustration of a Philosophy 101 subject if you believe Aaron's long-after-the-fact explanation (the one that seems to have displaced the "it was written that way in order to be intentionally unsatisfying" one that nobody was buying, from the December email).

Frankly it would have been better if she'd explicitly traded her freedom for the others'. Promising to stay with the mad computer so that it'd leave the others alone and let them go free.

>>9393472
I think the problem with that ending is that would incentivize Wally to keep trying to save Holly, because that's what he kept trying to do up until the letter which made him 'let go'.

Really, what would have worked was a revelation that Holly was actively trying to kill Wally, Kirbee, and even Chic, which she kicked into overgear when the ship showed them her tragic past it was broadcasting. It explains the creepy breakdown of the ship dittos and the fanatic attempt at emotionally tormenting them all, as punishment for them 'killing' Clyde and especially against Kirbee and Wally for very clearly developing feelings for each other during her own descent into madness. Even Chic she can ration as being in cahoots with Wally and Kirbee, that he was an ungrateful brat to her for rescuing him and seemed to like Kirbee better.

>>9393526
>>I think the problem with that ending is that would incentivize Wally to keep trying to save Holly, because that's what he kept trying to do up until the letter which made him 'let go'.
That's the idea, though. Have the letter, then reveal the truth after Wally and Co have left. Sure, Wally would still have felt OOC, but it would have given a satisfying explanation for Holly's behaviour that would have felt more in-character for her. YMMV, of course.

>Really, what would have worked was a revelation that Holly was actively trying to kill Wally, Kirbee, and even Chic, which she kicked into overgear when the ship showed them her tragic past it was broadcasting. It explains the creepy breakdown of the ship dittos and the fanatic attempt at emotionally tormenting them all, as punishment for them 'killing' Clyde and especially against Kirbee and Wally for very clearly developing feelings for each other during her own descent into madness. Even Chic she can ration as being in cahoots with Wally and Kirbee, that he was an ungrateful brat to her for rescuing him and seemed to like Kirbee better.
I don't know. I would have hated that - Holly had never actually shown true mortal intent towards anyone before (the one time she *thought* she was, she fainted when given the chance to enact it). That seems too far outside her sphere of being, even when insane.

The implication that Holly emotionally tortured Kirbee and Chic in those bubbles does feel weirdly like it clashes with the rest of it, though - like something that got left in the plot from some earlier iteration where it really was all the computer.

>>9393558
>Sure, Wally would still have felt OOC, but it would have given a satisfying explanation for Holly's behaviour that would have felt more in-character for her. YMMV, of course.
And just after posting, I had an idea: It would have given Kirbee more of a point and made Wally feel less out of character if she had been the one to convince him to leave, because they both had to take care of Chic.
>Holly has a good reason
>Wally doesn't feel so OOC
>Kirbee has a point
>Chic gets brought into focus

>>9393558
Between the very start of the arc (on top of the skyscraper, the windowcleaners forcing the three to jump) and the implication that Kirbee and Chic also had a fresh hell to go through after being separated from Wally I still think it fits more with how the arc was constructed. I wouldn't be happy Holly had gone so far but given the power the ship provided I honestly can't excuse the idea that she was actively trying to torment them. Perhaps not kill them, but maybe kill their spirit through constant torture, breaking them down as much as she had been broken down. It's still an awful and spiteful thing to do to these people, even if the tonally dissonant letter later on glosses over the fact.

Wally realizing Holly is actually dangerous and deciding to get away with Chic and Kirbee while they have a chance, while reading super poorly on Holly, does make Wally less OOC which is what I particularly care about since severing the connection between Holly and Wally was supposedly the purpose of this particular arc.

With how Holly had been characterized up to this point I could believe this too but I can see it's also a case of YMMV.

>>9393635
Yes, it's a bit much for me. Well thought through, but I wouldn't have accepted it.

Once again, though, two /trash/folk Endtown fans can definitely agree above all else that the ending Aaron went with sucked all kinds of ass.

>>9393665
Oh definitely. That ending was multiple kinds of bullshit and served no character involved well at all.

I do think I could accept your proposed ending but still not be satisfied considering how fanatically Wally was trying to rescue Holly. After all she did go through all that effort to rescue him in Unity so I can't see him just giving up for some noble sacrifice.

Then again Kirbee actually acts voice of reason instead of complete backup pussy and Chic's prop state is actually acknowledged in that he needs to be safe. If Wally were to go in the ship and never come out then Kirbee and Chic would be alone in the wastes, dittoless and without any experience which would leave them easy targets for Topsiders or Eatbeasts, whichever comes first.

I do think regardless how it ended the result that Holly gets canned is what soured people in general, the best one can do is mitigate how badly the exodus afterwards goes (and bait a hook strong enough to keep remaining readers around).

Following up the end of the ship arc with the most irreverent and smarmy series of meta-strips probably didn't help.

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>>9393702
>I do think I could accept your proposed ending but still not be satisfied considering how fanatically Wally was trying to rescue Holly. After all she did go through all that effort to rescue him in Unity so I can't see him just giving up for some noble sacrifice.
I think that just points to breaking them up being a total "Wat" moment in general. After Unity, it's especially hard to believe each would abandon the other for a "comfortable" alternative, doubly-especially since they end up there *from* Unity in what has to be about three days tops.

>Then again Kirbee actually acts voice of reason instead of complete backup pussy and Chic's prop state is actually acknowledged in that he needs to be safe. If Wally were to go in the ship and never come out then Kirbee and Chic would be alone in the wastes, dittoless and without any experience which would leave them easy targets for Topsiders or Eatbeasts, whichever comes first.
Yes, it gives Kirbee her original stated purpose back, especially if Wally keeps wavering or zoning out and she keeps guiding him back to his obligations to the little guy, maybe even getting them talking (because Wally and Chic barely interacted at all). It could even make Kirbee look ultra-noble if she tries to help them both despite realising that at the end, Wally wanted to choose Holly over her, something which you would think would put some permanent distance between them.

>I do think regardless how it ended the result that Holly gets canned is what soured people in general, the best one can do is mitigate how badly the exodus afterwards goes (and bait a hook strong enough to keep remaining readers around).

>Following up the end of the ship arc with the most irreverent and smarmy series of meta-strips probably didn't help.
Pic related.

>>9394070
>After Unity, it's especially hard to believe each would abandon the other for a "comfortable" alternative, doubly-especially since they end up there *from* Unity in what has to be about three days tops
I agree. I pointed out in the /co/ threads before that in the interim between Unity and Ship that Aaron was throwing a lot of contrived drama to drive a wedge between Holly and Wally, the biggest asspull being the tracking device inside Clyde that made the group constantly harassed by Topsider tech and removed the opportunity for Holly to have a proper breakdown and cathartic moment when Clyde was hidden in exchange for a bunker bomb dropping from the sky of all things.

This all happened in rapidfire succession with little else, including fleshing out our two new party members into the traveling party's dynamic.

>Wally wanted to choose Holly over her, something which you would think would put some permanent distance between them.

Yeah, I'd think this was the case too actually. That was a very poignant moment where Kirbee sees Wally and Fake Holly behind her and actually looks a bit sad when she looks away. Her still getting with Wally feels very weird after that. Maybe if we cut back to them (however many years that would have taken) I could accept they got closer in the space of time, but that was way too sudden.

>that gif
Holy shit I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I clicked that

>>9394194
>I agree. I pointed out in the /co/ threads before that in the interim between Unity and Ship that Aaron was throwing a lot of contrived drama to drive a wedge between Holly and Wally, the biggest asspull being the tracking device inside Clyde that made the group constantly harassed by Topsider tech and removed the opportunity for Holly to have a proper breakdown and cathartic moment when Clyde was hidden in exchange for a bunker bomb dropping from the sky of all things.

>This all happened in rapidfire succession with little else, including fleshing out our two new party members into the traveling party's dynamic.
And don't forget how they'd passed right by drones before Unity without Clyde seeming to have a tracking device then at all. It just turned up when Aaron needed it for the plot.

>Yeah, I'd think this was the case too actually. That was a very poignant moment where Kirbee sees Wally and Fake Holly behind her and actually looks a bit sad when she looks away. Her still getting with Wally feels very weird after that. Maybe if we cut back to them (however many years that would have taken) I could accept they got closer in the space of time, but that was way too sudden.
Heck, maybe we *are* heading for a time skip next arc.

Time is often very poorly conveyed in this comic, come to think of it. The only sign that there'd been a skip between arcs was when Wally casually dropped the fact that he and Holly had been together for... two years, I think?

>Holy shit I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I clicked that
What you said reminded me of something that had been said way back, and I couldn't resist...

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Stay salty, Howell.

So much for being glad to have left 4chan behind you.

>>9394372
Who the hell's Howell?

>>9394409
KC's real name.

Not like it's a secret.

>>9394409
KC.

>>9394442
>>9394446
Thanks. I mostly stayed away from all the stuff about him so the name didn't register.

Jamil did though, I know he's the guy that did that really nice art. He's got a very appealing style imo

>>9394372
Is that supposed to be a joke or is he genuinely being nasty?

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>>9394576
Yeah, Jamil's cool. Does some pretty sweet stuff, too.

Looks like his comic's coming back soon, so that's something to look forward to.

>>9394774
Both, I think. An attempt at mocking humour.

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>>9394792
She's a bunny prostitute, right?

>>9394829
Looks like it. Tweet suggests it's different versions of the same character.

I like the spotty one.

>>9394868
Likely one of Luellen's girls. Maybe she is in the mine? I'd love to see Jasper's reaction.

>>9394899
Maybe. We could be seeing her at her best, there, pre-capture.

Horrible thought: What if she's a prisoner of the bandits, but they don't want her for mining? Poor bunny...

>>9395170
Considering what they thought of Luellen, they might be thinking of eating her if they didn't already.

>>9394372
>So much for being glad to have left 4chan behind you.

did he said that?

>>9394576
>He's got a very appealing style imo

very cute and unique, All his characters are very sweet and full of life. Something that KC can only dream to achieve.. Not surprised he's got attached to Jamil like a parasite, hopefully he won't feed Jamil bullshit like he did with Aaron.

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Bored so time to shitpost: provide me contents for Jacob's newspaper!

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>>9395637
Transparent exploitable for any shoppers too

>>9395398
>you seem upset.jpg

>Endtown thread
>23 posters

Last year, Endtown threads were topping out at 120+ posters.

feels bad man.jpg

>>9396907
Nice nice nice

>>9396224
Many of them were just shitposters that wanted easy (You)s from the waifuwars.

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>>9396224
Really?
Guess I got here late then

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New OC fresh from the oven!

>>9400094
10/10, you captured their expressions perfectly and that last bit was a real killer.

>>9400094
This is great!

>>9400094
Damn, that's some good stuff!

>>9400094
Somebody should link it in a comment on GoComics.

>>9356569
Doesn't Marx light his cigars with his dimensionometer?

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>>9395340

>>9402374

So much for not missing it >>9396050, Kc...

>>9394372
>friend posts nice art
>don't even compliment it, just use it as an excuse to bitch

Damn

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>>9400094
MAAARRRRX!!!

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Maid Heather because I needed something to practice with.
>>9396907
Coming along nicely.
>>9400094
This is awesome. I love the timing in the gif. and the expressions are great.

>>9406444
Damn, nice coloring Pen Anon, especially the shading!

>>9406444
Real cute and I love the color!

>>9407602
Never seen this one before. It's cute.

Too bad I can't look at Chick for long without thinking about the wasted potential of him as a character.

>>9408337
Seems like he's the one most likely to have any potential or appeal left when we get back to that group, though.

>>9409034
I hope Aaron realizes that but considering that he had Kirbee as the one asking questions about Hillside and everything else, I doubt it.

Random thought: Mutants are still mostly human biologically, if I recall correctly. Therefore, they probably taste like humans.

What are humans supposed to taste like? Pork.

>Even if whoever does it is intending to eat the pigs, any other species would still taste the same
>They really are just being targeted because they're the smallest and classically least-ornery "food livestock" that can still be held up as a "big eater"

>>9409718
>What are humans supposed to taste like? Pork.
No. Human meat tastes bitter as Hell, it's an evolutionary advantage as any predator who tasted human flesh would think about it next time.

Pork meat is compared to human meat because of the consistency, not the flavor. You can use it to practice surgical techniques, for example.

>>9410277
Interesting. Accounts I find online vary, but around fifty percent of the time they do seem to liken it to "bitter pork" or "burned pork". Other accounts liken it to chicken, veal or wild mutton. To be a little more morbid, possibly lifestyle and cut is a factor.

Most of the data I can find on humans not being good prey seems to relate it to us being troublesome (predators that evolved alongside humans didn't eat them because you eat one human and the rest of them come after you with those damn sharp sticks of theirs and that horrible glowing, biting, forest-eating pet) or our species simply not scanning as prey - we don't fit their pattern matching because we don't look like what they evolved to hunt.

Still, if we accept that human flesh has a nasty taste, is this, then, another point *against* the idea that they're actually being eaten?

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>>9396224
>Rosianna threads can reach that same number or twice depending on the strip
>it's a just gag strip
How does that make you feel?

>>9410701
>"Ultimately, I want Endtown to outstrip Ziggy in popularity."

>>9410701
Not bad since I like Rosianna, it's pretty funny and terrible (morally) for having such a cute artstyle. I'm a sucker for artistic dissonance to content, which is probably why I liked Endtown as well. The artstyle is very cartoony for the subject matter.

>>9410701
At least we don't have every other post as
>THICCCC!
>UHHHH THIIICCC!

>>9410952
But the hidden penis thing is pretty fun.

>>9379662
Well, let's make some guesses before the next strip: What's he angry about? The fact that the Food Shortage article exists, or the fact that it's buried inside the paper? I'm going to go with the former, because if he were angry about it being buried, he'd probably be angry about what buried it, too, instead of being dismissive. Interesting that Velda thought he WAS angry about the police getting raked over the coals, though.

And I just noticed:

>TWELVE PAGES
Guess not much happens in Endtown.

... I wonder if they have any comic strips?

>>9412325
>The fact that the Food Shortage article exists, or the fact that it's buried inside the paper? I'm going to go with the former
I think you might be right. He must be angry because he's desperately trying to alleviate or hide the food shortage and is worried that even the littlest article would raise tensions.

>>9412325
I think he's angry the story exists too, it's a very peculiar thing to flip out over unless it happened to be true. Maybe that's why he wonders if Foxworthy went nuts: if there was media acknowledgement of a food shortage that puts pressure on the government (i.e. Jacob) to provide answers. If he has no answers then it's better the question is never asked, he won't be under the spotlight.

Media controls popular narrative; you can't easily amass a population against an idea without spreading it wide through a large audience. Even a small notice about the food shortage has the potential to snowball (and if there's no answers, cause a panic) and it can get worse if smarter people start connecting this specie unrest with the lack of food and ask harder questions about what's going on.

>>9412325
>>TWELVE PAGES
>Guess not much happens in Endtown.

At least it's easy to write the horoscope.
>Leo- You will live underground and eat beans.
>Virgo- You will live underground and eat beans.

>>9410952
A bit of that wouldn't hurt. It's pretty sure that Aaron would be very willing draw more THICC too.

Live

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>>9349388
>>9349446
>>9353544
Got an answer from Aaron.

Heather is a horse.

Strip's up.

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>>9416527
Why don't you post it?

Also, I was right! The food shortage is a lie.

Is the janitor with a grudge still around on /co/?

>>9416566
Yes but the /co/ thread is up, for now.

>>9416653

Is there somewhere to complain about the janitors?

>>9416684
No, because the IRC is also crap.

>>9416561
What's the bet the "anonymous official sources" are all Velda?

Interesting if it's true that there's no food shortage. Nobody out in the town seems to be contesting the idea that there is one, and you'd think for that to be true they would indeed have to be on limited rations. I don't suppose there's a bit of ivory tower involved here and someone in between Jacob is restricting and possibly redirecting the food supply without his knowledge? You'd think that'd be easy to spot and trace, though...

Are the food shortage stories written by a single person? I hope we're not going to find Dottie has also been making up stories because she hates the Jackrabbit administration, that would be beyond belief.

... huh. "FAKE NEWS!", anyone?

>>9417736
>What's the bet the "anonymous official sources" are all Velda?
[fakespoiler]Marx. He's prodding Jacob into actually being a good leader. Calling it: this ends with Jacob fast-tracking the hydroponics to dispel the rumors permanently.[/fakespoiler]

>>9415515
Well her last name is "Hoss", so I'm not sure where all the "Donkey" and "Mule" stuff was coming from, honestly.

>>9416561
>>9417930
>inb4 all the food has vanished because Marx is taking the training wheels off of Endtown

>>9418285
Kind of hard to speculate about anything, now, isn't it? You have to allow for Marx as a wild card at pretty much every step, and it seems like it's all inevitably going to come back to "Marx set it up" in the end...

>>9418172
White muzzle, dark face, and the way Aaron draws the ears for the equines makes it hard to gauge properly.

I don't know about anyone else but I personally don't like her to boot so it's a slur since donkeys have reputations as being testy and unpleasant in cartoons.

>>9418481
Hey, no arguments here; she's a pretty one-note character, though I'm marginally more interested in her than Portia. Don't know if I'd mock her, but I see where you're coming from.

So 'we have a six year stockpile' eh? Of what? Beans? Didn't we have as early as Allie telling us that she (who was one of the prevalent scavengers) was quitting because the costs of traveling the wastes wasn't worth the reward for the danger anymore?

With how Aaron built up the scenario between that, the jump of technical ability of the Topsiders, and the lack of mention to a successful hydroponic solution, how is it that Endtown has such a bulky cache of food to support a large population? The offhand food shortage remark did come about in this arc and honestly with the circumstances and information we had before alluded to this being a true scenario.

I don't know, maybe I'm just disappointed that the bread crumbs didn't align here.

>>9418687
>So 'we have a six year stockpile' eh? Of what? Beans? Didn't we have as early as Allie telling us that she (who was one of the prevalent scavengers) was quitting because the costs of traveling the wastes wasn't worth the reward for the danger anymore?

>With how Aaron built up the scenario between that, the jump of technical ability of the Topsiders, and the lack of mention to a successful hydroponic solution, how is it that Endtown has such a bulky cache of food to support a large population? The offhand food shortage remark did come about in this arc and honestly with the circumstances and information we had before alluded to this being a true scenario.
It's actually extremely hard for me to believe that small two and three man stealth scavenging teams raiding a dusted wasteland could bring back six years worth of beans for 7000+ people anyway. That's, say, 500g of beans per meal, three meals a day, for what, eight years plus the six year stockpile?

500g x 3 = 1500g
1500g x 365 days = 547500g of beans a year, or 547.5 kilograms
537.5 kg per person per year x 14 years = 7525 kilos, or 7.525 tonnes.
7.525 tonnes for each of 7000 inhabitants = 52675 tonnes total brought in by scavenger teams with no vehicles and relying on luck.

But then, logistics does not appear to be Aaron's strongpoint.

I could maybe believe it if there'd always been a massive stockpile even before people were down there, but that would suggest Endtown has been pointlessly sacrificing surface teams for a trickle of beans that it doesn't really need.

Maybe the Hydroponics are in operation already and nobody outside the government knows because all they produce is beans anyway? That'd still leave the issue of how much they would already have had to shift before they came into operation, though.

>I don't know, maybe I'm just disappointed that the bread crumbs didn't align here.
I feel like there's an opportunity to make a joke about bread lines, there, and we're both missing it.

>>9418943
>I could maybe believe it if there'd always been a massive stockpile even before people were down there, but that would suggest Endtown has been pointlessly sacrificing surface teams for a trickle of beans that it doesn't really need.

I'm thinking something similar here: either Endtown's been comfortable with a large bulk of food rations or they were trying to bolster a supply that had limited potential already. The second seemed more likely to call into need the use of scavenging teams. With the size of Endtown it needs plenty of food to run comfortably.

I can't expect that a few nearby settlements with grocery stores could get a small town running for a total of six years, not even TWO for that matter since everything scavenged would need to be nonperishable. And that's ignoring roaming mutants or other colonies that had been picking over these as well.

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>>9418943
Maybe Albert was just that good.

>>9419267
Yes, if we give Aaron the benefit of the doubt and assume he did the math, something is definitely up.

Perhaps the scavenging teams were only ever make-work to try and keep the more push-and-pull members of the populace busy? Al has Opinions, for instance. Allie would have regularly caused trouble when staying in town.

It could also just be that they were always hoping for something other than beans, to raise morale. Or it could just be that seeing the scavengers going out is just an attempt to raise morale itself.

>>9419268
He's strong, but strong enough to stockpile 52000 tonnes before he quit?

>>9419813
>He's strong, but strong enough to stockpile 52000 tonnes before he quit?
Considering the guy can rip open Topsider suits with his bare hands, take a blast to the face that was described as being like hit with a fleet of rocket propelled 18-wheelers and remain intact, hold onto a rhino, and fuck said rhino, 52000 tonnes of beans seems like no big deal. That and Allie was on the other foraging team as well.

>>9418687

Fun fact: Clock back to Early scripts when they're talking about using the anthro bodies as fertilizer.

Then to what Aaron said that Topsiders can't do hydroponics. Change of heart?

Plus with all that shit that Endtown is producing, hydroponics IS a viable solution.

But overall I just think Aaron is either a) not aware b) shoved it off cause MUH APOCALYPSE c) Is gonna patch up with Amesworth radiation causing plant infertility or some other BS.

>>9420182
Yeah, but he likely can't carry a tonne at a time, even if you're being generous. And Allie's team was all midgets.

So that's more than 52000 multi-day trips over two parties in less than eight years. Not feasible, I feel. But I think you might have been joking anyway.

I guess it has to be a massive stockpile with the missions having some other reason than the goal they usually achieve (more beans)...

>>9420305
Seems like a big difference between the Al and Gustine era and the Wally and Holly era is that it was retconned that there are no plants in the wasteland. I think Aaron even said as much recently. But back in the early comic Al was even bringing back weeds for Gustine to munch on.

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>>9419268
To be fair Albert's a demi-god, he managed to hold Gustine's full weight and stayed alive long enough to use the gun blast to pull her up.

>>9420526
Damn, he's ripped.

>Ziggy comics exist in Endtown
>Tom Wilson survived the war and is now an anthro
What animal would Ziggy be?

>>9420435
>Not feasible, I feel. But I think you might have been joking anyway.
I was kind of joking. There's no way the the stores in the surrounding area could have 6 years of canned foods to begin with. But we know that Endtown has been under construction for years. Surely there was a large stockpile of food to begin with.
>>9420526
Nice, I like to believe that Al if fucking ripped underneath his flannel. The shit he's been through is monumental even with the Topsiders being nerfed back then.

>>9420601
>What animal would Ziggy be?
I had to check if Ziggy was as bad as I remember and it is. If there is a just god in Endtown he would have been vaporized by Topsiders long ago but because nothing good happens in Endtown I'd say a Garfield-esque cat.

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>>9420601
He already looks weird already. I'd guess he's actually one of those fucked up mutants that looks vaguely human, like he started to transform halfway and his body gave up on it.

>>9420655
>The shit he's been through is monumental even with the Topsiders being nerfed back then.
Ignoring the Topsiders for now, he carried what has to be two cases worth of full cans on his back for supply runs, presumably has sex with his rhino wife, and again his unusual durability in the Sparkplug arc.

He's not immortal and can' bullshit his way out of situations with surprise strength but for what the man can do it's pretty damn impressive.

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>>9420305
Fun fact: ArsonWolf just wanted to burn shit up since forever.

>>9420435
At some point Aaron decided that everything is incredibly terrible in the world of Endtown. Other than surviving for the sake of being alive, there doesn't seem much to live for.

>>9420655
It's weird, though, that said stockpile would appear to have been more beans. You'd think the builders would have tried for variety. At least some canned peanut butter...

One would also hope that the hydroponics program benefits from a supply of stored seeds, too - you'd THINK that'd be a basic, primary thing for any big survival bunker with enough space and light to grow things in.

>>9420736
That'd fit. I was personally imagining him being merged with his little dog.

>>9420776
I like this theory.

>>9420822
Boy, Endtown really had a big dose of daily gag strip back then, didn't it?

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>>9420182
>>9420526
Sadly, it seems his amazing strength has been retconned away. Too bad, it would have been nice as a plot point. But I guess we can't have anyone being cooler than Wally the ex-soldier, huh?

>>9421033
He could have been caught from behind like Sparkplug got him, like I said it seemed like Al's abilities don't afford him invulnerability and he was ganged up on by two large mutants (and one dog) which probably have equivalent strength to a bull and whatever the hell that guy on the right is.

>>9420871
I like to think that the rats were inhabiting Endtown years before the war, so they were in charge of stockpiling the food
> So, Frank, what food should we stockpile for the incoming survivors.
> Well, beans have a lot of protein so that will make the carnivores happy and beans are a vegetable so that will make the herbivores happy.
>Gee, Frank, you know a lot of big words. I'll order 5000 pallets of beans. I sure am glad you're our nutri... nutrish.... nuutri.....
>Nutritionist?
>That's it. Thanks Frank.
> You bet. Just don't get the kind with pork. We'll have an abundant supply in the future.
>>9421033
To be fair he just got is head stomped by two bulls and a dog. He fared pretty well only losing a tooth.

>>9421159
Still wondering where the rats are now. I feel they simply have to fit into this stuff somewhere. Perhaps they've been completely suborned by Marx? Living in the caves? Reduced to drudge work somewhere out of the way?

Or I could see them being a potential source of leaks/rumours if some of them are still aligned with the government but secretly working against it. Although they didn't seem to have that kind of intelligence before (except possibly Freeman).

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Good going faggots, You pissed Kc off.

>>9423212
>it's the ol' "I'm pissed enough that I have to make a statement about how not-pissed I am" routine

>>9420871
>Boy, Endtown really had a big dose of daily gag strip back then, didn't it?

What it is has kind of changed through the years.

First it was a daily funny strip with dark adventure elements.

Then it was a dark adventure comedy with bits of drama.

Then it was a dark adventure dramedy.

Then it was a dark drama with bits of adventure and the occasional bit of comedy.

Not sure how to classify it right now.

>>9423212
That's kinda sad.

>>9423649
A mess, that's what it is now.

>>9416561
Can anyone make out what that says in the second panel?

>>9424967
"Sadam Must Bupa 1p on Joner 4gs"

>>9426418
I wonder what Linda's doing in Endtown after everything that happened in the Milk Trial. Does anyone think she's forging out a life somewhere else in Endtown or did she take a swan dive off the clock tower Holly introduced her to?

>>9427435
In before we find out she's turned against Endtown entirely after the Milk Trial and is behind the pignappings...

>>9416561

So, I guess this confirms Jacob isn't involved in the whole shindig with the wolves.

>>9417736

>What's the bet the "anonymous official sources" are all Velda?

Why would she work behind Jacob's back though? She was working with him when they were setting up Octavius as the scapegoat during the milk and eggs arc.

Unless she's been a triple agent and works for someone else entirely.

>>9421991

This sounds pretty plausible. We've seen that the rats have caught onto Jacob's plan, and would have likely arrested or filled him and Velda with lead if it weren't for Marx's intervention.

Maybe they've been forced to cooperate with the new government, but are secretly sabotaging it from within because Jacob got a hold of power and influence through some really vile crap involved.

>>9428033
>Why would she work behind Jacob's back though? She was working with him when they were setting up Octavius as the scapegoat during the milk and eggs arc.
Because cartoon weasel. It could just be in her nature to back people up, then fuck them over for her own benefit. First Octavius, to boost Jackrabbit, then Jackrabbit once she's done with him.

>Unless she's been a triple agent and works for someone else entirely.
... Marx?

>>9428103
>First Octavius, to boost Jackrabbit, then Jackrabbit once she's done with him.
If we can have constant justification that wolves are naturally horrible people because they lift the Big Bad Wolf portrayals then the constant depiction of weasels being underhanded and working for someone else is just as viable.

I do dig the idea Velda is playing everyone though. I don't think we had a proper femme fatale character and she certainly has the design for that function.

Live

>>9418943
To add onto the math here, that's 105350000 cans of beans, unless I miss my guess. At a conservative estimate of 500 ccs per can, that's 52675000000 cubic centimetres, or 52675 cubic metres, too (this estimate uses the density of water, which is why 1 gram = 1 cc).

If we use the six year stockpile figure, which gives us food stores of 22575 tonnes, it's an equivalent volume of cubic meters. This would need a room 2.5 metres high, 10 metres wide, and 903 metres long, or an equivalent volume.

And that's without shelving, access space, spare room, or vitamin cake. And it assumes cubical cans, to boot - real cylindrical cans are going to have some extra space wasted when on the shelf.

Have we got measurements for the main cavern of Endtown, by the way? With dimensions like that, the food stockpile must be off to the side in a secondary cavern in the rock, because I don't think we've seen any buildings that size in any wide shots of the town proper.

>>9430794
i wonder what they serve at the endtown bar
unfortunately jim never got to experience endtown

>>9421033
He got jumped by 3 guys. Bow does strength help you in numbers like that.

>Al basically dead lifted Gustine
The guy is stronk.

>>9420526
Also Spark plug.
Gustine is over 500lbs and Spark Plug was a normal adult sized male, so probably 160-190lbs himself.

>>9431508
They probably have some way to distill beans into booze. It wouldn't be great, but it would get the job done.

>>9431859
By breaking their faces with one punch.

>>9433596
But Al's a pacifist though.

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Heather maid outfit doodle because why not.

>>9442289
Another one? Is she your new waifu?

>>9442418
These were doodles done before the watercolor to get the poses right, but sure why not. I like Heather.

>>9442620
This kills the Allie.

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>>9442688
Kek. According to Aaron Allie cant be happy no matter what universe she's in.

>>9442798
"There is a God.. and he is evil" -Anyone from Endtown just before the end.

>>9442953
Well, we know that Aaron love (Nothing but) Flowers by the Talking Heads. Nobody gets what they want.

>>9443247
I think that works for a single shorter story, but with a longform comic, especially one with a really extended plotline like Endtown, it runs the risk of getting stale, predictable and, above all, depressing.

I don't think it matches how Endtown used to be, anyway. It was more "You can't always get what you want", or more accurately, what you think you want. Gustine, for example - turns out in the end she'd rather have Al than have her human form back.

Even Marx said it: "Not everyone gets a happy ending", implying some do. Ups and downs. Contrast is a requirement to prevent bleakness overwhelming the plot, the readership, and maybe even the author.

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>>9443854
>Flask, who killed a nonviolent beast, two innocent scientists, and anyone who looked at her funny, gets to have a happy ending even after death
>Sarah evidently escapes death to live another day

>Allie dies
>Octavius dies
>Jim dies
>Holly is inevitably going to die in that ship

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>>9442688
Maybe an old pic of Allie would help the situation (with bonus motion blur). I drew it after they guy who made the suggestion that Lyn's mutation was just motion blur seemed like he was kind of upset after I drew the "Motion Blur" pic> I didn't post it because it seemed way more snarky than I intended.

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>>9444926
Shit, even then I was drawing Allie out of proportion.

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>>9444974
Thanks to the guy that fixed it.

>>9444991
It was nothing. You -literally- did most of the work.

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>>9444926

>Allie will never give you a hug and try to make you feel better
>You will never thank her and give her a small peck in her snout
>You will never watch Allie blush
>You will never develop a romantic relationship with Allie and give her all the love she desperately needed

I would try my best to deal with the drunk fights and the stench of alcohol, she's worth the trouble.

>>9447069
>Allie according to word of Aaron is never meant to be happy and is always a miserable alcoholic

Though speaking of that, what the hell is Aaron's deal with alcoholics in this comic? That isn't the only time its treated like some morally awful thing. Walt recently treats his being drunk and saving the mutants at Pep Cola park as being *bad* as well, or something to dwell on because he tore someone's throat out that was going to kill him and who knows who else.

Allie braved the wastes bringing food back to Endtown and rescuing wandering mutants but for this altruism she's somehow a bad person because she drinks heavily, for reasons that could range from the psychological strain of this post-war life, losing her partner while rescuing ungrateful Wally, to some unknown loss she suffered prior to the war.

>>9447113

He never said Allie was a bad person, just a "mean drunk" what would be hard to keep a relationship with, hence why an Allie x Wally relationship would not have worked in his opinion.

>>9447069
>give her a small peck in her snout
You would never do this anyway.

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>>9447180

>Implying I wouldn't try my best to smooch this qt

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>>9444281
>>Flask, who killed a nonviolent beast, two innocent scientists, and anyone who looked at her funny, gets to have a happy ending even after death

Good!

>>9447234
No.

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>You will never pet this pussy

feels bad

>>9447247

Come on, anon.. Everyone knows Flask did nothing wrong.

>>9447265
>Everyone knows Flask did nothing wrong.
Stupid bitch didn't even stop the satellite from launching. She's a failure who gets a freebie from the author insert to have an undeserved happy ending.

>>9447297
According to him, he was just pandering to fans then. Those pictures he made were also requests/commissions.

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>>9447356
>According to him, he was just pandering to fans then

>>9447356
>According to him, he was just pandering to fans then.
Also according to him, from *that* email, he doesn't pander. Out of "respect for his readers".

>>9447356
>According to him, he was just pandering to fans then

[citation needed]

>>9447434
Wasn't that the interview?

>>9447451
Some e-mail where he is asked about all those Flask pinups, he claims the fans kept asking for them (the comments in the sites support that) and mentions it's the same reason he revived her.

>>9447530
No, it was the infamous December email. To quote:

"I have enough respect for my readers not to *spoonfeed* or *pander*."

Actual accuracy and truthfulness aside, it's a direct claim from Aaron that he does not pander.

>>9447549
>it's a direct claim from Aaron that he does not pander
It would be same if it was in the interview, what matters is that it's not actually true.

Dottie is not investigating the water source. Schism Syndrome does not unlock psychic powers. Holly and Wally's relationship is not ideal. You can't "just trust" Aaron.

>>9447530
It pisses me off that Flask of all people gets that special treatment considering all the loathsome things she did just because 'my sympathetic backstory' which is pretty much Jim's but if Sarah ditched him while he was still KO'd added with Topsider torture afterwards.

Marx actually has a *thing* for her and its this tingle in his dick that has him send her to some happier life with an AU version of him. He involves himself in this arc as much as the Milk Trial but the bastard saves Jacob and is culpable for not only the people and rats who died in the shootout but also for Octavius' death even though he hadn't done anything wrong other than be militantly against the idea of embracing animalism. There's no intervention for 'happy post deaths' to offer relief, fuck them all because they don't make his weenie stiff.

If it's true Marx planted the Lucranian ship to act a mousetrap to Holly he's the most morally reprehensible character in this whole comic bar none; all he did was prolong suffering in a world meant to die and cherrypicked who lived and who died.

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>>9447595
>You can't "just trust" Aaron.
Even KC admitted as much at one point (check the filename on that comic crop). Specifically in the context of Aaron's claims about always intending to remove Holly from the comic.

I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle, really. Aaron will pander, it's just that it's mostly pandering to Aaron Neathery.

>>9447614
My favourite part about that is the way it winds up with Aaron's favourite character simultaneously getting to look all cool and dark and tragic AND getting the girl. It's like something from a teenager's fanfic.

>>9447614
Maybe "I" will ironically end up being the big good to Marx's "big bad that believes he is good". Well, if Aaron is self-aware enough.

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>>9447690
The way "I" is framed so far incomic it actually seems 'good' but in the sense that an old god is 'good' by smiting sinners. It could be that "I" actually is God and God is pissed that Marx is fucking around in his dominion and trying to change fated events. The R63 version of Marx in that army that Wally temporarily flies over rides against this monstrous army, which could be the same attempt at 'smiting' the unnatural that is Marx's intervention.

And, if we reach back to older parts of Aaron's work, 'I' could be eternally pissed about the energy that Marx tapped into (which Marx used to massively boost his ego).

>>9447690
>>9447725
Someone proposed something like that once. That Marx just thinks he's the good guy and Eye just wants to end the cycle of stupidity (and only seemed vicious because he was being filtered through an insane raccoon).

Eye could also be pissed at Marx for being responsible for wiping out an entire universe.

This is all dependant on the "Eye is Ted the invisible floating eyeball" theory not being accurate, of course.

>>9447752
What if Marx isn't saving these worlds out of the goodness of his heart but to benefit from the Lucranian toaster trade? Didn't we first meet him ON one of these ships?

"I" could just be the multiverse cop trying to keep shit in order.

>>9447774
Am I mis-remembering things - did Aaron once imply a connection between Eye and the DeadEyes, or was that just a theory someone came up with?

>>9447786
The later.

>>9447786
That doesn't sound familiar to me but I never actually read the emails so I can't verify this, sorry.

>>9447802
>>9447803
Still, it could all relate to Ted, the DeadEyes (who were present at the center of the collapse) and Marx.

The Ted theory goes by Wally's dream sequence and says Eye is Ted with souls compressed onto him by the collapsing universe.

What if the souls in question are the DeadEyes, and Eye simply seeks to stop Marx from ruining more universes? Meanwhile he's not "stealing shoes", he's taking souls away from universes where Marx is meddling for their own sake.

New thread.

>>9448679