Endtown thread - Silk And Leather Edition Mostly complete c

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Latest strip.

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>You will never pet this pussy

>>8974971

Who do you think Grout's gonna send?

>>8976064
It would be interesting if it were a wolf officer.

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>>8976064
I drew this last night but was too tired to ink it.
There was going to be a panel before it with Heather on the phone:
>What do you mean you're going to send the rookie?

>>8977798
Well, she used to be a schoolteacher, if I recall correctly. She can probably manage a crowd of (comparatively) little hooligans.

dead fanbase

>>8977971
>She can probably manage a crowd of (comparatively) little hooligans.
Hitting kids is looked down upon, however hitting assholes is a different story. She'd probably have an easier time being a cop.

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In Endtown the United States as we know it is broken up into Neitherland (where Endtown is set), the Confederate States of America and the United States of America. I want to know what you think is happening in the other sections outside of Neitherland. I can’t imagine Apex’s reach is so widespread that the USA and the CSA are patrolled by Topsiders and obviously the “virus” must have spread into everyone on Earth by now and that any of the counties escaped from the bombing that dusted Hillside.

I think that there would be great tension between the USA and the CSA. The CSA would have more wealth due to having more ports and California’s gold and Nevada’s silver mines as well as Texas’s and Oklahoma’s oil. They are however choked by the USA’s ability to control the water from the Colorado River and possibly even the Mississippi. The USA is less populated, and mostly agricultural with large coal and iron mines however they gained a huge boost with the advent of nuclear power becoming one of the top producers of Uranium.

I think the CSA and the USA would have units like the Topsider trying to exterminate both the anthro mutants and the eatbeast units while paranoid of both the other side invading as well as Apex taking over. The mutants that live in both the CSA and the USA are somewhat able to live off the land with it not being as dusted as Neitherland, while avoiding eatbeasts and can co-exist but with some suspicion of each other.

But I want to know your thoughts.

TL;DR
What do you think is going on in the red an blue parts of the map in pic related.

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>>8977798

nice to see some Gustine art, Pretty rare now.. She's a qt

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I don't understand how Dottie is biased.

>>8979453
>>8979475
Kek, I'm loving these. Dottie isn't biased, she's just based.

>>8978112
True.

>>8978858
First of all, I find it a little odd that he doesn't think that's relevant to Endtown's narrative.

Second, I'm actually more interested on what's going on outside the bounds of the North American continent. I mean, the Great Green was implied to be across the water, right?

Looks like France got nuked at least (so much for taking a nap due to being "le tired" and then firing ze missiles), but what about other countries?

And is Australia sitting down the bottom of the world being all "WTF Mate?"

>>8979453
>>8979475
Do you have a name we can use, anon? These are rather good.

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>>8979676
>>8979622

You guys can make something up I guess, I'm not going to namefag myself but I'll post whatever I feel like making when the mood hits me.

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>>8979170
Speaking of Gustine, I was the one who asked about ordering books from Aaron 2 threads ago. This is the pic in the book that came today.

>>8979967

That's awesome, anon!, which books you bought?

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>>8980590
The second and third. I already had the first one, but if I had known that he signed them I would have gotten it through him.

>>8980654

Awesome! so he restocked, good to know.

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>>8980692
It sounded like I got the last copy of book 2 but he does have a few copies of book 3.

>>8979676
God damn it I had to go and watch that again.

>>8979791
Glad to have you here. Someone will probably come up with a suitable name sooner or later...

>>8979967
Cute. She kind of looks like she's happy someone remembered her.

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>>8980774

That sucks, I was actually aiming for another copy of Book 2 for a friend. I will ask him anyways.

>>8980871
I like your book sketch trio, but yeah I'd definitely ask.

>>8981017

Even though i'm a kirbeefag, That Holly is my favorite of the bunch. Your Gustine is just perfect too.

>>8981063
Why, thank you, but your Holly is really god damn cute though.

>>8981277

Well, I already mailed Aaron. Hopefully he will have an extra copy laying around.

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I also emailed Aaron some questions last week, I'm dropping his reply here if anyone's interested.


>>8981277

Also, yes. You got the last copy of Book 2 he had available... Pen anon.

>>8981595
Ya got me. Did Aaron tell you or did you deduce it from there only being 5 posters in the thread?

>>8981766

Heh, He actually told me. But you are good, he didn't call you by name.

>>8981781
Good to know. I sent him get well soon and birthday art though that e-mail. And thanks for posting the e-mail. It's always nice to have new info.

>>8981842

Don't mention it, I write to him a lot, I should post his replies more often.

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>>8977798
I didn't know how much I wanted this.

>>8974971
I just realized the wolves' handwriting universally matches the dialogue font...

>>8983545

Just on this strip, they were hand written on the previous one.

>>8983595
Deadline rush, I wonder? Or is the perspective on those just a pain to do?

>>8983642

>Deadline rush, I wonder?

Maybe, then again.. He hand writes all the dialog on the strip before hand, so I really can't tell.

>>8978858
Hillside was shown to be more technologically advanced than everyone else in many ways, I highly doubt the rest of America had the means to turn into topsiders. If there are any topsiders in there, they must come from Neitherland. Jim wanted to leave the continent to escape topsider reach so I guess that the USA and the CSA are toast or controlled by topsiders already, else he could've just fled to there and hide.

Also, Aaron said that most of Apex died along with the rest of the world in WWIII. The topsiders are a mix of the NDDC (Neitherland's equivalent of the CDC, who are probably behind the eugenics fanatism) and the disposable Apex staff they sent to help them with the mutagenic plague. Though, since this isn't actually mentioned in the comic yet, it could change in the future if Aaron feels like it.

>>8979475
Heather says Terry was harassed into depression and eventual "suicide" by the wolves and the way he disappeared is similar to that of every other pig. The wolf bitch was just saying rude things, sure, but, while this might be jumping to conclusions, it's easy to suspect that she was doing it to make Jolene eventually disappear just like Terry.

Dottie is biased because she only saw Heather as a blind wolf hater instead considering her circumstance and elaborating on the two sides of the predador panic. Foxworth implied that all her recent articles have her making the same mistake, only caring about how the wolves are victims and barely about what the other side had to say.

Though I understand that you don't find her bias well elaborated, it seems like Aaron just made her like that to comment about this issue.

>>8974971

Oh goodie, another bipolar message strip.

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>>8985767
>Though I understand that you don't find her bias well elaborated, it seems like Aaron just made her like that to comment about this issue.
Not that guy, but that's definitely part of it. It seemed to come out of nowhere, and it kind of clashes with the start of the arc, where Dottie's shown to be the reasonable one and it's Walt that's implied to be going off the rails and acting up after losing the election.

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>>8985767
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>>8985767
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>>8985767
>>8985924

>>8985924
Reading over this again I don't get what this Denise's angle is here. She claims she and Dottie are on the same 'team' which I assume has something to do with supporting the wolves. But if this social wolf movement is absolutely aggressive regarding pigs and pig supporters basing discrimination against them (or predators as Dottie initially illustrated) then it's surprising that a pig is someone supporting the 'maligned' wolf population.

I still keep hoping all of this is false flagging to cause deeper rifts in Endtown since that would be infinitely more interesting but the more pages we have of Walt and Portia flirting and anything with Heather the less optimistic I am.

>>8986102
We could be intended to read it that way, but perhaps she privately means "We're both prey species".

It could be the case that this is being orchestrated by a cadre of predator-fearing prey animals, using both the wolves (seemingly the most numerous predator type) and the pigs (the smaller prey with the apparently expendably high headcount, useful reputation for over-eating and characteristics that make them offensive to predators and sympathetic to prey) as pawns, with the eventual goal of getting the wolves and other large predators controlled, exiled or even genocided. I'm still willing to bet they haven't actually killed the pigs, though that does bring up the issue of what happens to any secretly-still-alive pigs post-endgame.

The only issue with that that I can immediately think of is that it's pretty much the plot of Zootopia, and I can't imagine that Aaron wouldn't have become aware of that by now (just look at the comments here and on GoComics when the arc started) so if he began by intending to do this, he may have altered his plans after finding out, which might be why it's now apparently *solely* pigs and wolves, and there's been no more mention of a "blind panic over predators".

>>8981885
>I should post his replies more often
Please do, though you should probably ask him if he's okay with it.

>>8986200
Within the context of that situation I don't think that interpretation is right. The wolf mentioned in the previous strip that he didn't waste his call on Dottie like his friend and her comment was something that seemed to offend Dottie. With how the scene is laid out it really seems like Denise was being purposefully condescending to Dottie in suggesting they were both working for the same goal but Dottie even insists that she's writing about tolerance and equality while Denise is suggested to actively work at worsening the divide.

Then we later on have shots of Dottie harassing Heather in the street after being turned away by Doc and then a short scene where she's reprimanded by her editor for her writing material?

With this setup its bizarre seeing how everything pans out. Denise disappears from the narrative, Heather is introduced as a secondary POV character, and Dottie is demoted from secondary POV to a tertiary one in favor of Walt/Portia and Heather. She's even forcibly portrayed in a negative light for that matter too, when she was shown to be particularly reasonable, if not more than Walt.

It does smell like concepts were retooled or rewritten for the sake of being different from Zootopia, but I'd personally argue that even if it straddled the same line Zootopia hadn't the ability to expand scope to include the themes of actual cannibalism outside vague threats of attack from preds to prey the way Endtown potentially could have tackled it. And unlike Zootopia, Endtown has the dilemma that everyone in Endtown are human even if their morphology doesn't reflect it anymore (aside from Typhoid Marys). It pairs wonderfully with the result of the Milk Trial's themes in a fallout, but so far the whole conflict and storyline feels subpar and not as well thought out or presented.

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>>8986899
>Within the context of that situation I don't think that interpretation is right.
>With how the scene is laid out it really seems like Denise was being purposefully condescending to Dottie in suggesting they were both working for the same goal
Well, yes, that's why I said "privately", as in she said one thing and Dottie understood it that way and took offense at the implication, while privately Denise meant another thing entirely and was having a quiet giggle at everyone's expense. But it's all just speculation.

Huh, we've got Hatwolf and Smartwolf, and Smartwolf called Denise... did they figure it out between them, or did Smartwolf deliberately choose Denise on his own while Hatwolf was banking on Dottie?

>It does smell like concepts were retooled or rewritten for the sake of being different from Zootopia, but I'd personally argue that even if it straddled the same line Zootopia hadn't the ability to expand scope to include the themes of actual cannibalism outside vague threats of attack from preds to prey the way Endtown potentially could have tackled it.
>It pairs wonderfully with the result of the Milk Trial's themes in a fallout, but so far the whole conflict and storyline feels subpar and not as well thought out or presented.
Oh, I agree, I wasn't even saying Aaron should have changed it, if he did indeed change it. There's nothing wrong with offering a fresh take on a theme, after all, but it has been remarked on here before that Aaron seems to have a deep aversion to treading known ground, or at least being aware that he is.

>fallout
That reminds me, After the Bomb's come up here before, but I've often wondered if Aaron is aware that more than a few of the fans probably see Endtown as "Fallout With Furries", or if he even knows what Fallout is and that it did the whole retro-futuristic 50's-esque post-apocalypse thing long before he did. It was even going to have anthro raccoons at one point, and need I go into the Topsider/Enclave parallels?

>>8986232

He's fine, It's not like I am revealing massive spoilers. Chances are these questions will end up on the monthly update, most of them do.

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Place your bets, gentlemen...

*Something happens before the next cop(s) can arrive
*Cop(s) arrive, fan favorite cameo/return
*Cop(s) arrive, previously seen character (pic related)
*Cop(s) arrive, new character
*Sudden swerve back to Walt and Portia, about to have something go down related to blood graffiti or wolves (or possibly just more liplock)
*Swing back to Dottie, learning about the protest, preparatory to acting as the audience surrogate in an object lesson on bias
*Wild card: New character, new plot thread...

>>8989189
>*Swing back to Dottie, learning about the protest, preparatory to acting as the audience surrogate in an object lesson on bias
This, I don't see the need to stay with Heather for now but the plot needs to move forward. I just really hope we don't go back to Walt and Portia soon unless they actually have something important to say.

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I am personally hoping that Dottie takes center stage again, she has been the most interesting piece of this arc, by far.

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I want to touch Allie's legs..

>>8989189
I get the feeling that it will either cut to Dottie or back to Walt and Portia. Which will suck because I'd like to know if the cops even have a competent officer.

>>8991527
Same here

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>>8992394

They must feel really rough, but i think that's part of her charm.

>>8992478
Oh yes they probably do but it is part of her charm
Maybe that's why she wears stockings
Which she looks great in

strip's been up for hours

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>>8996136
New cops, old cop, and here comes another riot, probably...

In before there's a big scuffle and when the dust clears, officer Pig is missing.

>>8996236

>Wolves escalating this shit for no reason

Gas them all.

>>8996236
It does not look good.

>>8996236
bring back the rats, open fire on these walking throw rugs

>>8996910
>bring back the rats
I suspect that's the plan.

>>8996956
Could the rats potentially even be behind it? They're conspicuously absent.

>>8997014
Nobody wants them in town.

>>8997132
Probably, but even that is missing from the narrative. Almost like Aaron is holding them back for a big reveal.

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>>8996236
Now that the officer is out of the line of fire it's time to commence street sweeping operations.

>>8999058

I really want blood to flow.. fuck those wolves.

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>>8996236
The bull reminds me of someone. Be prepared for him to get shot in the neck.

>>8999690
Wow, it is the exact same uniform. Must have been leftover from before the war or something.

>>8999690

Nice catch, Anon. Glasses and all, must be just a coincidence.

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>>8999058
>>8999238

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>>9000879

I hope that's not a toy.

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>>9000698
Would be cool, though, if it was subtly suggested he'd survived, mutated while unconscious like Doc, and ended up in Endtown...

The cops and the Badass Chefs are maybe the only things from that arc that got universal love and praise.

>>9000879
Damn. You're quick.

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>>8996236

>>9001581
Oh wow. That surprised me.

>>9001581
This is fantastic.
Grout are you sure you want to be the chief of police and, you know, take a nap and let someone more competent handle it, you know, like anyone but you.

>>9001581

This is really good stuff, I was actually surprised when i noticed it was animated.

>>9001675
The content or the fact it moves?

>>9001699
I originally thought the rats were interfering with Endtown properly running on a social level but now I think that maybe they were necessary in the first place. Grout is either incompetent or purposefully lining up these situations to occur.

See: releasing the two wolves after Walt turned them in earlier in the strip.

>>9001733
Thanks. To be honest this is easier than comic format for me.

>>9001832
>The content or the fact it moves?
The movement, the content is bang on-target, though. Well done.

Someone toss this in Aaron's direction, he'd probably love it.

https://vimeo.com/213905919

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>>9000992

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Kazen, again. Here's a male character from my comic I actually never really posted much of for whatever reason. I did spend the most time trying to figure him out. There's at least 5 different pieces of 'failed' attempts to figure out his proportions and body shape.

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>>9008370
Another male character, Julian the former APEX engineer.

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>>9008439
One such 'failed' Dylon piece, with doodles on the side.

>>9008236
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7rjLQuW2nQ

>>9008370
>>9008490
Armoured Dylon, I get it. Not bad!

>>9008439
I like the translation from human to anthro here.

>>9008439
>be Apex engineer
>turn into an ass
Kek

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>>9000992

>>9008236
>>9008370
>>9008439
>>9008490
These are great.

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>>9013260

>>8974971
>>8985791
Is that a horse? Who is she? She regular?

>>9019813

Have you been reading the comic?

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>>9019813
That's Heather. Where not exactly sure if she's a horse, a mule, or a donkey but her full name is Heather Hoss so my money's on horse. She's new to this arc but she just started a race war so I expect she'll be showing up a lot.

>>9019946
Fuck
We're not where

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>>9023647
I've been having a hard time thinking of things to draw this week. Any sugesstions? I'm going to bed, but I'll try to do it tomorrow.

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>>9024211
Also a doodle
> Watch, she'll show up in the next panel.

>>9024211

Hey Pa, Haven't seen you draw Kirbee in a while. How about that nurse Holly gag, with Kirbee and chic instead, but innocent chic gets super excited because he thinks Kirbee just wants to play doctor with him.

>>9024566

also, meg's a cute. She might make a cameo.

>>9024211
>>9024566
Oscar Krellman the crab, Maurice, and Cooper, being sad that nobody really mentions them much as hoped-for cameos? Maybe Maude, too; I hear people talking about Linda more often than Maude...

One of the short characters desperately trying to measure up to the "You must be this tall to ride" sign on a fairground attraction?

More concealed carry Endtowners with suitable sidearms?

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>>9008439
Julian?

>>9024211
A maid costume wearing a maid costume.

Shit posting aside, your favorite Endtown male character meeting your favorite Endtown female character in a bar?

>>9017640
I wonder if Neathery ever looks at these and regrets what he did.

>>9028057
Give it time.

>>9027204
>A maid costume wearing a maid costume.
Am I going crazy, or did PA already do this one?

>>9028586
He did.

>>9030319
Aside from the species mixup, that body is perfect.

Bets on who's gonna buy the farm, if anyone, during the next sequence?

*Heather
*Harbottle
*Bull Cop
*Pig Cop
*Duck Cop
*Random wolf/wolves

>>9031361
It's Endtown, you can never really expect it.

>>9031854
Aw, but where's the harm in making a guess, anon?

>>9031875
Everyone expected a switch last time and you know how it went. But if I have to guess then I'll bet on Bull Cop.

>>9031914
>InB4 we all bet on a death and NOW we get the switch...

Still, it looks like even if it flicks away now, there's some kind of tussle coming, so I'll consider any bets to be held over until then...

I go for... randomly-introduced Duck Cop. Because I think Pig Cop is gonna be more significant than just a plain death (though if he does get killed that'll be the gasoline on the match, alright... maybe it will be him and that'll be the start of the race war?), and I could swear Bull Cop turned up somewhere ages back, and if so he's a long runner (not that that means anything, but hey, I kind of like the idea that he's secretly a surviving Cool Cop, so call it wishful thinking...)

I'd think a bunch of wolves would get beaten up in the process, though, with the Bull Cop involved. We might even get a scene of one cop stopping the other from killing the "cop killers" to show us that at least one of them is a clear thinker (and because we've already been through that whole firing-into-the-crowd thing with the rats before...)

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>>9032052
>Bull Cop turned up somewhere ages back

That, he did..

>>9031361
I'm thinking that a wolf will try to start shit with bull cop and end up getting pummeled. This will result in a riot and Heather's business getting smashed up.

>>9033208
I still can't believe Aaron doesn't feel like he destroyed something beautiful.

New strip's up.

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>>9037265
Ha! He got what he deserved.

>>9037294
He wuz a gud doggie dindu nuthin ne mo monies for dem programs!

>>9037294

that duck us fucking shit up

>>>/co/91925339
Am I seriously the only who makes the /co/ thread now? I don't know how to feel about that.

>>9037722
About 30 guys is all that remains and most of us know about trash threads anyway.

>>9038114
I don't see a reason to shit up the catalog when it's obvious that /co/ isn't interested anymore. We'd need something like the Jimgod thing happening again (or really anything in line with actually shocking) content to pop up and get readers who aren't long term to notice.

It doesn't help the comic already treads that taboo 'furry' line and the lewds don't encourage the idea there's more to the comic than animal people potentially fucking. Stuff with Walt and Portia pushes that line harder than Wally and Holly did imo.

>>9037294
I guess it's a good thing Harbottle has horns and a goat's skull... not that that'll help with lacerations.

>>9038339
I think the ending to the last arc is going to serve as a deterrent to new readers, though. They'll binge up to there, and, then do exactly what most other people did.

>Stuff with Walt and Portia pushes that line harder than Wally and Holly did imo.
Agreed. It's unfortunately fetish-coded.

>>9038590
>They'll binge up to there, and, then do exactly what most other people did.
I suspect that's been the case for a while. We've gotten only one new reader since then.

>>9038590
I don't think it was the end of the ship arc that did it but the intermission between it and the pig arc; I remember poster counts still being high until Marx overstayed his welcome and the comments in thread went from 'kirbeefags vs hollyfags' to 'haha hollyfags btfo' to silence.

There were a lot of people really mad back then and the with the responses to them I'm not surprised these threads are dead now.

>>9038743
I think part of that, though, was the hope that Marx was lying about the story he was telling and that there'd be the potential for a more satisfying "true" resolution down the road. After his little piece ended and it turned out that, nope, he wasn't (it would seem), those hopeful people just shrugged and walked away. I don't see any single reason for the loss of readership - I just don't think it's that binary. I think it was a snowballing combination of bad decisions on Aaron's part, plus KC's little "You guys don't get it, Marx is behind everything!" rant.

I still wonder if it's just /co/. GoComics has lost a few regular commenters, and there seem to be less comments there than usual. And then there was that big Patreon drop.

I will find it eternally baffling that Aaron doesn't understand how repellent a lot of readers find Marx, though.

>>9037722
don't make it anymore, /trash/ is where people are, the only people. It's just us moving over to /co/ for no reason, no one else is joining it. Wait for something to actually happen, 4 panels every other day isn't enough

>>9038981
>GoComics has lost a few regular commenters
And after losing Holly, Jenner has gone into full Stockholm Syndrome mode.

>>9039426
I was wondering how he was taking it.

>>9039008
There are some who don't want to step on /trash/ at all for some reason.

>>9039582
He'll go on a cultish rant about how awesome and godly Aaron's writing abilities are at the drop of a hat now, often apropos of nothing and always managing to come across as a man mostly trying to convince himself.

It's more than a little worrying.

>>9038981
>KC's little "You guys don't get it, Marx is behind everything!" rant.

Fuck that was depressing.

"Hey guys, the character you all wish wasn't even in the strip is secretly controlling the plot!"

Yeah that was sure going to get people to stick around. Just like dismissing the thing some people obviously liked the most about the strip as "a piece of a hundred-piece jigsaw"

>>9040543
>dismissing the thing some people obviously liked the most about the strip as "a piece of a hundred-piece jigsaw"
What was it? Holly?

>>9040619
That's what he seemed to be referring to, yeah. That or her pairing with Wally.

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>>9026433
>>9024697
>>9024705
>>9027204
Thanks for the suggestions.

>>9037294
I hope we stay with this to completion instead of changing scenes like we have been.

>>9040854
Nice!

Is this Oscar and Cooper's first piece of fan-art?

>>9040689
Man, I never liked Wally that much and didn't warm up to Holly until the Rocket Arc.. but they worked pretty well together. It's a shame that Aaron thought "vision" was more important.

>>9040945
I know Oscar has some fan art but I think this is the first Cooper.

>>9040975
They balanced and complimented each other wonderfully. I really can't imagine Wally and Kirbee being a good substitute at all...

>>9041284
Wally and Kirbee were pretty much like Walter and Portia. It would have been more interesting if Holly disappeared (like originally planned) and Kirbee was there to comfort a devastated Wally instead of the slap on the face that we got.

Is KC even still alive or did he fuck off to some other fanbase?

>>9041478
IIRC, he has cancer.

>>9041478
>>9041505
He's been pretending to be permabanned ever since he was spotted in here and called out.

Activity-wise, he's back on the MLP smut commission train.

>>9041468
>It would have been more interesting if Holly disappeared (like originally planned) and Kirbee was there to comfort a devastated Wally instead of the slap on the face that we got.
It might have been more interesting, but I just don't think Wally and Kirbee are going to "work" well in general. Your comparison to Walt and Portia is apt; they don't really work for me either.

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>>9026433
>You've made a powerful enemy today, random carnie.

>>9027204
>>9028677
It was a maid outfit wearing a nurse uniform, but you know, close enough.

>>9041779
That's adorable.

This makes me think: I hope there's some kind of little amusement thing for the kids in Endtown. A merry-go-round, at least.

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>>9041833

there is.

>>9041872
Oh, I know about the Punch and Judy, I was thinking more along the lines of fairground rides.

>>9041902

oh, doubtfully..

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For all you beautiful Marx haters, you gave me life when the shilling for him started in /co/ and I salute you.

>>9041921
... Pen Anon! The children of Endtown need you!

How do you feel about drawing something that's just plain cute?

>>9041944
Based crit-anon.

That's how I'm thinking of you, anyway.

(And all that sudden Marxfagging was weird as hell...)

>>9041944

I am completely sure that those people shilling for marx were doing it ironically.

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>>9041833
>>9041921
C'mon the horse mutants need a part time job.

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>>9041944
>>9042062
I'm the one that keeps posting this strip saying that it changed my mind about Marx because it's goddamn true. Marx has his plans but they fall through, he tries to act like he's in control but but obviously it's all a façade, and that's what made me like him. He's not my favorite character but damn if that did not make me like him.

>>9042246

I honestly did not see this one coming, It didn't exactly make me like him, but it sure made the ending for the milk trial a lot more shocking.

>>9042246
Prior to post-ship arc I would have agreed that this signaled an interesting change in Marx but after the intermission between Ship and Pig arcs I can't respect Marx as anything but an authorial self insert made to forcibly steer the comic in certain directions.

>>9042246
Didn't do Jack (ha ha) for me, I'm afraid. He switched back to Mister Plot Control the very next strip.

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Bonus round since I'm bored

>>9042970

>the large buckteeth

Nailed it.

>>9043028
The best litmus to how good Holly is can be directly proportionate to how larger her teeth are.

>>9042970
Wow, it's like you can read my mind.

Also makes me realize Aaron expects us to believe that Holly is still obsessing over her lost baby eight years after it happened. That's something you usually only see with shut-ins who paper the walls with newspaper birth listings and magazine adverts for baby products. And the Lyn thing is just... yeah.

(Any chance we can get the text under the thought bubble?)

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>>9043168

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>>9043157
Pen Anon did a lot of stuff about how Holly's teeth were starting to take over her face.

Now I kinda want to see him "reveal" that it was the evil teeth taking over her mind, too...

>>9043168

Well, there was evidence of Holly being pretty unstable from the beginning, and there's the milk trial that finally broke her, and made all these traumas of her come back. So the baby thing is not necessarily off. I agree with Lyn, though.

>>9043195
Thanks.

>over the shoulder view
I bet Aaron can turn those out in his sleep by now.

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>>9043285

Aaron even foreshadowed that Holly was having issues "letting go of the past", suggesting she was still obsessed over her baby.

>>9043285
Looking back, it still strains my suspension of disbelief something awful. I could believe she had an issue with a previous tragic encounter with someone from outside Endtown, but the baby thing feels like a repurposing of the indicators for that, if it's anything.

>>9043334
That's less foreshadowing and more hurriedly cramming something in based on something she said that was completely astute and relevant, though. It doesn't feel like it was an issue for her at all until it suddenly was at the end of Milk Trial arc.

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>>9041981
Farx went out of his way to find the best doctors, scientists, and carnies.

>>8979453
>>8979475
>>8979791
>>9001581
>>9041944
>>9042970
>>9043195
I've been loving these. Grout's logic had me laughing for a while.

>>9043464
This is wonderful.

>>9043464
Thank you Pen Anon and everyone else who enjoys my scathing sarcastic and passive aggressive critiques of the comic!

I gotta say I love your works, they have a lot of heart in them. I especially like this one. There isn't enough joy in Endtown to offset the constant bombardment of misery and suffering.

>>9043464
>>9043565
I hope you two are both going to hang around, you really do help make this all much better.

>>9043726
I'll inevitably run out of material to bitch about if the comic pulls up its pants and reaches into that Sparkplug/Rocket/Milk Trial era level of writing.

I don't think it will but I stick around with my snark on the offchance I get proven wrong.

You know what? All things considered, I think the pig cop is next. Things will really escalate after that.

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>>9043565
Thank you. Endtown is my favorite comic at the moment, but it sure as hell ain't without its flaws. I love how you bring up those flaws and how you present them. There's good comedic timing to drive the point home. I hope you do stick around even if the story gets to Sparkpulg levels of greatness.
Fan art can make a passing interest into something even more. The only reason I look at the Poppy O'Possum threads anymore is that one guy that photoshops the animal faces over the characters.

>>9044020
You have a mob of wolves versus one large cop (the bull) and three small ones. Wolves hunt in packs to work together in taking down large game.

Chances are Bull is going to get overwhelmed or swamped while the rest of the mob handles the smaller ones, including pig cop.

>>9044020
And it'll be doubly significant later on, when the death will be revealed to have been via a method that none of the wolves could have used at the time.

>>9044118
>>9044144
I feel like the pig cop might get fucked up but he will survive. This will add fuel to the anti wolf propaganda though.

>>9044724
Or (sigh) cue Dottie, and he gets an unflattering picture of him beating or choke-holding a wolf in the newspaper...

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>>>/co/91934371
Naked Gun request from /co/.

>>9045596
>the duck nut-shot in the background
>filename
Nice.

>>9045596
WOLFMAN'S GOT NARDS!

>>9045596
This is hilarious, nice job!

>>9045742
Shit, I should have put that as a spoilered joke in the /co/ post. In a related note /co/ thinks that I put Dottie's floppy hands as a nod to OJ's >If the glove does not fit,you must acquit. defence.
I kind of wish I made that joke now but I don't have the hear to tell them that was just sloppy inking.

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From /co/

>>9046325
Giddyup, Buttercup!

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>>9045869
>that was just sloppy inking.

Oh, You!

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>>9046748
Beer does not help with the inking process.

>>9043247
>>9043157
>After Earth Holly teeth decide to take over the stars and beyond.
>The only thing stopping the total destruction of the universe is an elite team consisting of sugary candy and poor dental hygiene.

>>9047371
Marx knew the dangers of Eye. What he wasn't anticipating was the other eldrich god: Teef.

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>>9047371

>>9039603
no there aren't. The /trash/ threads have everyone and we're lying to ourselves that there aren't all here. The IPs are consistantly higher in /trash/

So have all the wolves in Endtown formed into one big super-pack?

Given that by the sound of it wolves are (bizarrely) a large enough proportion of the population to be troublesome to others as a group, you'd kind of expect that many wolves to splinter into multiple packs of manageable size, each with its own rules, focus and probably territory. Given the latter, you'd also kind of expect there's some argument over territories, probably some rivalry between packs. Are we going to see any of that kind of thing, I wonder?

Perhaps we'll see the packs uniting over the pig issue they seem to think they have, and then falling to internal conflict? I could just about imagine these wolves being from a single pack local to the area...

>>9051568
And why only wolves? What about big cats and other predatory species?

>>9051568
I don't think think those are *all* the wolves in town, just the ones who bought into the species pride bullshit.

>>9051665
From what I gather: too close to being Zootopia. You can see 'predators' was the focus at the start of the arc before it inelegantly transitioned to wolves vs pigs.

What I find bizarre is that this protest has no other Endtowners supporting the wolves against wolf bias. Characters like Denise shown at the start of the arc, or friends of different species. It gives me the impression that specie segregation has already begun, putting Endtown in pre-genocide stages of becoming Unity.

>>9051729
>in one alternate reality, Endtown becomes another Unity but it's filled with wolves who have small populations of other species destined for food

>>9051796
How would they pull it off without gassing everyone like stinky lizers did, they're severely outnumbered and aren't even the biggest guys around. Not to mention that starting too big of a shit might attract rats again.

>>9051796
Makes me wonder if we'll see some good come from the Wally and Holly saga. If Marc really was telling children the story of what we watched then Unity would definitely stand out as a warning bell, just wolves instead of lizards.

I have a feeling the cautionary tale isn't going to amount to a hill of beans in Endtown though, wasting a perfectly good opportunity to tie in as legacy than it have no effect whatsoever.

>>9051850
The lesson in Holly and Wally's saga is "don't be a couple in the story when your creator gets divorced and finds someone else later".

>>9051957

here we go with that bullshit again.. and you wonder why some people would rather stay on the /co/ threads.

>>9052599
Hello Aaron.

>>9052656

>Not KC

Impressive

>>9052599
>>9052656
More like Jenner now.

>>9051665
>>9051729
Ignoring the fact that we haven't even seen wolves until this arc, wolves appear to be unemployed or are in low end jobs. They appear to be undesirables. We've seen predators in positions of authority like mayor and news paper editors. Wolves are different because in cartoons and fairy tales wolves are always the bad guys. Lions can be cowardly and bears can be bumbling but wolves are always evil.

>>9052599
Deal with it.

>>9053454
>wolves are always evil
I'd disagree with this; in certain old cartoons or fairy tales a wolf is evil (like Grimm stories or Peter and the Wolf) but there were also noble wolves like the pack that took in Mowgli in Jungle Book. The idea of the noble wolf gains traction the further modern cartoon you go.

But for the sake of 'old cartoon representation' wolves were commonly shown as shameless womanizers and in that were shown well-to-do but overexaggerated in catcalls and pursuit in those considered to be attractively hot. Pretty sure this was common in MGM and Warner animations particularly to contrast child-safe BBW from Disney's silly symphonies.

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>>9061524
That actually seems to be how the whole thing with Portia starts - the terrorising has overtones of two jerks aggressively pursuing a pretty lady, it's just that "pretty lady" is replaced with "cute pig girl" and what would have been catcalls pretty quickly become vicious, mocking... well, hogcalls. That seems to have faded into the background pretty quickly, though, in favour of "We're doing this because we gotta beat the pigs!"

Which, now that I think of it, doesn't seem to have been even hinted at in the initial scene with Portia - they just seemed to be being asses based on seeing a pig obviously profiling them. They even seemed mildly surprised, or one of them did. Another thing that makes me think that possibly Aaron's core ideas for this arc have been changing as he goes along.

>>9063031
Yeah, it's conspicuous how certain things were framed at the start of the arc compared to now. I don't particularly like this turn of showing all the on-screen wolves as fitting the same aggressive racial profile especially when (again) we already had that lesson taught in Unity. I don't suppose this suddenly means that the cook is evil (who was previously shown in the comic) since he's a lizard, much the same that Kirbee wasn't evil despite being a lizard. But it does fit an unfortunate profile and lesson about stereotypes, basically proclaiming them as true because 'that's their nature' with exceptions to the rule like sanitation wolf or the aforementioned lizards.

>>9063346
It almost feels like there's overlap in stereotypes. Like, the Unity lizards were cold-blooded, but Wally's pal from the Milk Trial was cool-headed instead. Most wolves are mob-mentality assholes, but Sanitation Wolf is probably just super loyal and socially considerate or something (perhaps he plays to the "Omega" stereotype, the wolf that is an outcast and picks over the rest of the pack's leavings...)

It's also damn blurry how much of it is "Your existing personality influences your mutation" and how much is "Your mutation influences your personality", which are both things Aaron's said at different times (but mainly I think the degree to which one or the other applies at a given time or for a given character or group of characters is mostly just down to what's convenient for the plot.)

I do remember Aaron didn't want to show the lizards as being ruled by their instincts - it's part of the reason he gives for the Unity-Hiatus rewrite, IIRC.

But it's troubling, as whether it's instinct affecting behaviour or "inner self" being visualised, the unfortunate suggestion with both wolves and lizards is that anthro mutations mean being able to classify people into personality types with 99% accuracy, and that certain species of anthro can readily be identified as just generally being bad people.

Incidentally, I'm pretty sure Maurice the cook is a turtle. I have no idea what stereotype he's supposed to embody in that context because he's certainly not slow, but then, I think the animal stereotypes thing came in quite a while after he was introduced - before that it was just a matter of dealing with instincts, like Gustine.

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>>9063031
This chapter would be better if all the wolves did was sexual harassment.

>>9065554
Certainly brings a new light to the harassment Heather gets, though for it to be realistic it would have to be a highly sexualized female cartoon animal (foxes, cats, rabbits). Horses weren't really sexualized, that's a fairly new cartoon trope with Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmarron and the MLP fandom crap.

>>9065554
It definitely wouldn't feel so preachy (and it'd blend better with the instinct thing and the animal appetites thing Aaron has mentioned).

Thinking about it, I want to say that, apart from the Dottie plot thread (which has its own problems) I feel that it's all the worse as the preachiness is mostly ambiguous, like Aaron isn't confident in his own message, or perhaps isn't even sure what it's supposed to be.

The wolves for instance... is it a cautionary tale about groupthink, insularity, communication and fact-checking, or is it a warning that some groups of people are just plain made of awful individuals without needing any of that, and that one shouldn't go out of one's way to be fair to or accommodate them? It seems to vacillate.

We're given a very brief look into the wolves' mindset to get the distinct impression they have a legitimate reason to think they're the ones in danger of persecution (it sounds as though they may be receiving their own set of threats), but then the way most of them are shown individually they're depicted as just being idiot assholes as a species, anyway - pretty much looking like Aaron's designated meanies for this arc so far.

The more he makes the wolves look like open, dyed-in-the-wool buttheads, the less believable it feels that Dottie would take their side on anything, too.

>>9067394
I agree wholly with all of this. There's a lot of mixed signals and conflicting messages set up between the start of the arc to where we are now and the discontinuity is muddying the development of the arc. The foci that we are privy to definitely feel charged towards portraying the wolves as negatively as possible, and lately, in a wholly unflattering and unsympathetic manner at that.

On a personal note I'm the most disappointed that Dottie has been treated character-wise so poorly. I was really excited for her as our main character and it started with so much promise. A mystery, social unrest, and an intrepid reporter just nearly writes itself. And we get...this? It feels like an incredible waste.

>>9069305
>she would be mistaken for a wolf and be racially profiled in Endtown right now

How do doglike anthros line up here anyway? Its hard enough telling cats apart from dogs with Aaron's artstyle, how do they know what's a wolf versus what's a dog?

>>9069375
That's actually come up in conversation here before.

Since anthros don't seem to have any sort of deep knowledge of their species (for all we know, for example, Doc *still* doesn't know what he is), it seems likely to me that a good portion of the wolves we're seeing are actually dogs that think they're wolves, and it's also likely that there could be smarter, calmer wolves who started referring to themselves as dogs when all this began to go down...

Up

Anyone know when The Tale of Jasper Gold's coming back?

>>9071763
dead fanbase with nothing to talk about

>>9074964
What is the point of these posts?

>>9077089
well the point of THESE ones is to bump it to keep the thread from death because there is nothing to talk about and no one naturally keeping the threads alive so a poster sees that the thread is almost dead on page 9,10 and quickly makes a post to send it back to page 1

>>9078629
I wonder if Aaron will truly fuck up with Dottie in this chapter like he did with Holly.

>>9078770
>Later Walt, I just won a cruise with a bunch of wolves!

>>9079592
fortykeks.jpg

>>9067394
>the instinct thing and the animal appetites thing Aaron has mentioned
Now that you mention it, it IS pretty downplayed how horny everyone should be all the time. I understand it's a touchy subject for Americans but things like the bean-induced orgy and behavior like that of Walt and Portia should realistically be more common.

>>9079922
It'd be funny if Portia's sudden attraction to Walt was entirely because she's currently in heat and afterwards she's like "Walt who?"

How does Aaron intend to transition Endtown as a comic to a space setting anyway, since it'd probably still be called Endtown and Endtown is on Earth?

Is he going to have Mallard lift the entire cavern into orbit?

>>9081855
Is he really intending this? It sounds insanely stupid.

>>9081855
He wanted to make something like that from the start, I guess he just can't let go of the idea.

>>9081972
According to his last email report thing. Projected date of 2022.

To be honest, it sounded like a random concept tossed out in order to grab Patron (and possibly /co/) interest, to me. The total pledged keeps going down, so I guess it didn't work...

Speaking of emails and time, there was an assertion elsewhere (from an email someone got) that with this arc we're building up to the climax of the first half of the storyline. Weirdly, we were told at the end of 2015 that we were supposedly barely even a quarter of the way through the first half. A sign that Aaron is eternally fiddling with the plotline, most recently compressing it?

>>9082327
I suspect we ended up with Marx crammed into the comic because he couldn't let go of the idea of a comic revolving around Marx, too.

>>9082980
Probably compressing it thanks to the dive in Patreon contributions. I recall at the height of popularity during the Unity arc that Aaron was claiming we weren't even a quarter of the way in. With that and the climbing popularity it's easy to see why the plot was so conflated (and why after the Ship arc it might be trimmed of any or all fat).

>>9082980
Seems Aaron has trouble letting go of things. Considering he made a spectacle of that as Holly's fatal flaw, it's a bit ironic (and hypocritical).

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Fresh crit for you guys

>>9085388
Aye, that's a good one.

And don't forget dittos don't seem like they'd do jack shit against a radar sweep. Which means Holly's a sitting duck - a sitting duck sitting in a massive, immobile radar reflector.

And Wally, being a *military engineer*, should know that, and know she's actually less safe inside the ship. It's a miracle it hasn't been found by the Topsiders already, really, especially if that satellite has some kind of down-facing radar.

>>9085712
With the tech the Topsiders have even the dittos don't feel like they're enough to be a reasonable explanation as to how any remaining mutant enclaves can survive, or wandering mutants for that matter.

At least with this tech it pretty much ensures the monstrous mutants will be wiped out on the surface, though that's a new shame considering they were an interesting third-danger to traveling.

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>>9085845
And it mean's Al's buddy is probably gone by now.

Here's to you, monster-pal.

Last chance for bets on fatalities... >>9031361

>>9093027
(Probably)

>>9093027
Bull gets dogpiled.

>>9093027
I'm going to go with Heather and if not die, something really bad will happen to her.

[/trash/ doesn't have Spoilers] But I really hope sanitation wolf shows up to help stop the riots and/or to help Heather so I can see my stupid idea of Heather and sanitation wolf hooking up. [/I'd be better off using parenthesis, wouldn't I]

>>9095146
I also thought they would hook up. Maybe Aaron wanted it too but realized it was predictable.

New strip's up.
In a reasonable world wolves would get genocided after something like this.

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>>9097751
That's not reasonable.

Though this wolf needs to get beaten with his own stick.

>>9097879
So far wolves are literally turbo Hitlers with exactly one exception.

>>9097879
So.. will Heather get a weapon from behind the counter, will she join Allie in the Home For Infinite Losers or will she be rescued by a cop who will sooner or later get attacked by wolves for helping her?

>>9097879

>>>/co/92010889

>>9097879
She's going to the counter to get the weapon she got for self defence, Whacking-Stick Wolf will be the first death of the riot.

>>9100292
I sure hope so, though it'd be better if she didn't get into more trouble.

>>9100463
FUCK YES, thank you!

>>9100463
Jamil lives!

... Heather may not, by the looks of things.

>>9100490
Yeah, I'd worry that that was heading for another long court case. One is enough. Maybe she's just going to get wolfed to death in the heat of the moment? Though that'd just end up with a different defendant, unless he got shot afterwards...

PLOT TWIST: The wolf stops himself at the last moment and starts apologizing to Heather then he gets killed by a cop. Heather has an epiphany out of this and the other incident.

>>9097879
so let's talk here then. What happens to the wolf? IT's not going to be this simple, someone will show up

>>9100979
I could almost see that happening.

>>9101004
PleasenotMarx, pleasenotMarx, pleasenotMarx...

>>9100979
I don't want the wolf to stop himself. I want him to follow through with his actions, realize what he's done, and deal with the consequences. This is Endtown after all...
Lifeaintfair.gif

The angle shows pretty well one wolf coming in but I'm wondering if there's more coming in after stickwolf. This also looks like it's lining up with the warning Walt gave to the two dummy wolves at the start of the arc about being lucky Portia only had pepper spray. It seems very unlikely after all that's happened that Heather doesn't have something for personal protection with her (especially after being jumped).

>>9101569
Walt at least thinks zipguns are a thing, I'm just wondering if "zipgun" in Endtown means a pipe with a bullet in the end and some kind of handmade trigger/hammer, or if it means "repurposed car security zapper, just not as nicely made as Mallard's".

>>9101629
It is a mystery! I'm particularly surprised that none of the rats artillery seem accessible to anyone at all during this, since they definitely had actual guns.

Though I am equally surprised that with Mallard in Endtown the police don't have proper tear gas for dispersing a large crowd.

>>9101697
Having said that, and seeing your response... it's really weird for me how Mallard was capable of churning out blasters that could be set to be wide-beam stun-guns that acted as the perfect non-lethal ranged weapon in terms of reliable effect, which you'd think would be the smartest things to use on a crowd of rioters, but the rats just used bullets. And these cops don't seem to have them, either.

Rule of drama, I guess.

I'm guessing the rats have taken their stuff and holed up in the caverns as a secondary community of outcasts.

>>9101786
Mallard's existence throws some wrenches in believability here yes. I could accept that maybe he doesn't have enough resources to provide for the police force, or maybe for some reason he refuses to and is fully focused on hydroponics to resolve the previously mentioned food shortage issue since it is what could be the biggest looming danger to survival for the community. Though this requires Mallard being shown, same as Jackrabbit to give an impression of HOW Endtown is being run and WHAT is going on at the macro scale than the micro we have been watching this whole time.

>>9101992
Yeah, we really need an update on the food shortage/hydroponics thing, especially.

It all makes me think that this arc might have been best opened with a quick look around Endtown to listen in on radio and TV broadcasts or see some newspaper headlines to set the scene before focusing on Portia and the wolves. But that might have needed more flexibility than the 2x2 panel format allows.

The /co/ thread just got axed, again.

well /co/ is gone because of meta and meta furry talk likely

>>9102471
Nah, the janitor was just waiting for an excuse.

>>9102469
No loss, that thread started getting heated and unpleasant anyway.

>>9101786
>but the rats just used bullets
They were trigger-happy and not smart. Also, remember that everything was setup.

Now that I think about it, if Marx wanted the rats gone that likely means he didn't put them there (because if he did, combined with everything else, that would make him undeniably evil) so maybe they have something to do with Mallard.

>>9102559
That guy deserved to get called an idiot, he really was. I half-suspect he was the janitor.

>>9102621
The guy who has been spectacularly nasty? There is someone who keeps coming in and saying 'Dead fan base' and clearly wants the dwindling supporters of Endtown to die off or leave. Is that the janitor or just someone who hates Endtown and is trying to smash it down?

>>9102593
I think they were likely some sort of Apex experiment, since IIRC he worked there. Mallard was quite possibly one of the first ones earmarked for a spot in Endtown and may have brought them with him.

On the other hand, what is the Oracle Keeper? Kind of looked like a rat last time I looked at... her? That could indicate they came with Endtown and have been living there for a while...

>>9102670
Someone blaming porn or furries or something for Endtown threads going downhill when there are clearly more important things like THE JANITORS, for example.

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>>9097879
Welp, I was doodling this before the /co/ thread went down.

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Saved from the /co/ thread...

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Hey, we've reached bump limit. We're going to need another thread soon-ish. I nominate this picture for the next OP, though Jamil's recent contribution deserves a mention too.

>>9102951
This will be funnier if he does end up apologizing somehow.

>>9103091
OP here. I'll set up the next one in a short while, and I think I'm going to go with Jamil's. Pen Anon said he wanted a break.

>>9100463
I wonder if Jamil is staying silent because he is supposed to be perma-banned. Chochi jokingly claims he is "notChochi" for that same reason.

>>9103212
When did Jamil get permabanned?

>>9103170
Thanks for the break man. Don't get me wrong I love being the OP pic, but I think you made damn fine decision for the next thread.

>>9103247
Just saying, I don't know actually know.

>>9103300
No problem.

I agree, though - that Bandit pic is going to be an opening pic eventually, it's too good not to be...

New thread.

>>9103409

>>9103453
Don't you think it's too soon? We're only at page 6.

>>9103490
My thinking on that was: Better to get in now and give people in various time zones a while to come in here, see the link and shift over, than to post it at the last minute, miss most people's attention, and wait a day for the new thread to get up to speed.

>>9103247
Not permabanned. Was just at work. And I'm (somewhat) in the conversation. I honestly do think heather will get hurt at the end of this week.

>>9103453
Posted this in the new thread but might as well post this here.

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>>9104396
Fuck

Way too late to say this but I keep forgetting
>>9085388
I love the timing of this gif.
>>9100463
Yes, Heather deserves way more art

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>>9104982
and fuck I forgot to add my image again.