TwoKinds General Comeuppance Edition Newest Page: http://t

PAWS

>>8839307
PAW FETISH

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>>8839502
THAT'S MY FETISH

>>8839530
Get a better one ANON

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>>8839819
Paws are the best fetish already, but male paws are better than lady paws.

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>>8839277
There really ought to be a story with Eric getting cursed like this. Clovis got material after being Waifu'd.

Tell me anons, have you had a twokinds dream yet?

>>8840100
pretty sure I had one during the basitin arc years and years ago

>>8839921
If all the male characters get gender bent who would be left to fuck the pretty girls?

>>8840851
anonwolf

>>8840851
Kat getting a fairly virile dick.

>>8840937
Clovis would crush his balls if he tried.

Then again, maybe she'd get off to seeing other girls fucked now

>>8840985
but zen's the one tappin clovis now
alternatively
>clovis is a femcuck

>>8840980
Is futaKat the worst meme this general has spawned?

>>8841090
futakat was a thing long before I started making these threads

>>8841100
Oh. Well all I know is that seff once said he ships futakat and natani and since then we've had futakat shitposting in literally every thread

>>8840851
markiplier

>>8841861
You mean red?
Or are they the same?

>>8841879
>tom incepted Mark into dying his hair red

>>8840980
If she fucked natani, would their kids be gnolls?

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>>8839819
We both know you wish you could shove your face in these sweet paws

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>>8840980
>Kat
>Virile

Pity shes shooting blanks

>>8843279
In only so much that they'd have a pseudopenis, spots, and look like Mexican sewer rats

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New sketch

>>8844089
Rip maeve

>>8843960
Hey!
Natani isnt that ugly.

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>>8841128
And if you keep complaining, I'll divert my time from the Clovis fic to make a Nat/FutaKat one

Who the fuck am I kidding, you're going to complain either way

>>8845558
Please do, the world needs more of keith getting cucked/killed off

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>>8845558
>And if you keep complaining, I'll divert my time from the Clovis fic to make a Nat/FutaKat one

Become Leoian...

Isn t Leoian a dead horse now ?
What did he do lately ?

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>>8845975
No
(I thought only his self insert OC was futa)

>>8846137
What do you mean ?

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>>8846137
>I thought only his self insert OC was futa

Depends on what he has a hankering for at the time. Hes drawn Flora as a Futa so she could fuck him but changing a character into a Futa isn't the only Leoian like thing your doing. Keep going down this path and you will become just like him.... well maybe minus the crazy stalking of Tom.

>>8846270
Any pics of futa Flora ?

>>8846302
I'd be intrested to check it too.

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Every day I thank the good Lord that futa does absolutely nothing for me aside from a general feeling of repulsion, like seeing a person with a hideous birth defect.

>>8846302
>e621
>flora_(twokinds) intersex

>>8847347
>flora_(twokinds) intersex
Neat but these are edits, not futa Flora From leoian.

>>8847412
Let's not parade his work around. Look for him on FA if you're actually that curious.

>>8848022
I know, I checked the usual place but there is no Fauna/Flora futa in any of his accounts .

>>8846270
That gif always cracks me up
What's the source though?

>>8848139
the movie misery

>>8844089
cutest girls

>>8843898
no
I want to take a nap in her chest fluff

>>8846814
>being that vanilla
How boring

>>8848022
>>8848122
Sauce ?
Futa Fau/Flo/Blora

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>>8850452
>when you've seen so much shit on the various sites, you've come full circle and just want plain vanilla

>>8850550
>tfw no vanilla missionary lovemaking with handholding and kissing between cornelius and cathleen

>>8850550
Probably the weirdest kink that Twokinds has warmed me up to is the gender bending stuff, but it's mostly just because I find FemClovis and FemMike so damn cute. I think real-life trans and trap stuff is gross, but in the case of Twokinds it's done with magic and the only character who actually has special snowflake gender problems is Natani, and it's not like she had surgery or anything (and has in fact been gradually accepting her femininity over time).

Mike and Clovis didn't actively seek to change their gender, either-- in both their cases they were taken off-guard by the change, which is itself a very abstract concept with no real life analogue.

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>>8850538
>>8846302
>>8846744
>>8848122

I've through a few of galleries trying to find what I was refering to including his furaffinity and deviantart and am starting to think I must have just imagined it or confused one of pics of his traced OC herm character for Flora.

Got to say though there is some equally disturbing shit on his furaffinity like Flora/Fauna tentacle 'raping' his OC like the Thing while he melts into a puddle of goo

>>8850956
The Tentacle and the goo is Based on the Tk porn leak. It seem he just asked thoses with his oc.

Tom is a weirdo for doing those.

>>8850956
https://e621.net/post/show/529727/anthro-armpits-balls-basitin-breasts-chest_tuft-cu

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>>8850918
Natani isn't a special snowflake and I actually think its great she accepting her femininity as it adds even more complexity to the character. However I don't like how Toms going about it sometimes. Like the whole accepting the panties thing, thats clearly for readers benefit not the characters and a totally wasted opportunity, as I think it would have been more plausible for her to reject the panties while giving Kat a lecture, not a condescending lecture or an angry one, just one which clarifies what shes going through so that Kat understands and it would have brought the characters together more than 'oh I'll take the panties.... not to wear though'.

But then again maybe I shouldn't be complaining since if Tom doesn't rush things a bit the Legacy Estate will end up turning into boat ride 2.0

>>8850956
Tom did Herms, weirdgoo and Barbed/ Knot dicks

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>>8851073
>https://e621.net/post/show/529727/anthro-armpits-balls-basitin-breasts-chest_tuft-cu

You mean its based on a Tom pic? God thats even worse!

>>8851160
Well, he just took the Idea from his master.

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>>8851192
If I don't think about it, it doesn't exist. If I don't think about it, it doesn't exist. If I don't think about it, it doesn't exist.

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>>8851101
I'm not saying Natani is an actual "special snowflake." She's actually one of my favorite characters in the comic. I was simply referring to the fact that she is the character who exhibits behavior the most analogous to that of a trans person, at least initially. She had magically-induced gender confusion though, and her situation was extremely complicated. She's not actually a male personality trapped in a female body-- she's actually a tomboy who became confused about her gender because part of her soul is a copy of her brother, and seeing herself from her brother's perspective made her want to reject her femininity until she was forced to learn how to live without her psychic link to her brother.

I would argue that Nat accepting the panties is actually a good development for her character, because it's a bellwether of how she is changing and progressing. If it had been before Zen got shackled I would agree 100% that Natani would have rejected Kat's gift and given her some kind of "friendly" lecture about it, but that's not where Natani is now. She has always been curious about her womanhood, but would not let herself experiment with it or explore it because that would ruin the masculine image of herself that her jumbled personality was trying to enforce. Now that she is seeing and thinking more clearly, she wants to experiment with those things that she'd always been curious about but would deny herself out of habit.

The point behind that page is that Natani is coming along farther than even she was aware. Seeing the "forbidden garment" that Kat made for her got her excited the same way dresses do, but this time rather than getting upset about it, she reluctantly accepted. And unlike a dress, the underwear is something she can easily conceal. She can embrace her femininity in the way she dresses while still being disguised as a man.

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>>8851801
There was zero explanation for the character 180 on that page. Its one thing to accept what she is and start to slowly work towards a balance between what shes portrayed herself as for years NOT solely based on how Zen perceived her but based on how she always preferred to be perceived. Even before the soul shredding incident she liked being seen as a boy.

To me her accepting the panties is a bad thing as now Natani instead of being dictated by her brothers perceptions of her is now being directed by the readers perceptions of her which isn't development so much as a simplification of the character for the benefit of the reader. Tom has a genuinely complex character and hes botching her growth by taking the easy route.

>She has always been curious about her womanhood

More like resentful which is why this rapid escalation seems more unhealthy than anything. Its been literally less than a day since shes woken up from a coma in comic time, its not character growth, its deus ex machina to justify a very sudden character shift and I think it dumbs down one of the very few interesting characters in the comic.

>Seeing the "forbidden garment" that Kat made for her got her excited the same way dresses do, but this time rather than getting upset about it, she reluctantly accepted.

She did get upset and growth could have come out that reaction but Tom being Tom screwed the pouch and just opted for the easy way out and had her take them rather then go for the more complex route. I mean we could have had Kat using peoples perceptions of what she is to explain to Natani that her focus on what other people think of her shouldn't distract from what she thinks of herself, and they could have grown closer together as friends as a result. Instead we get fanservice.

In the end, I'll bet this page could be removed and it wouldn't affect the story or characters, but it didn't have to be that way.

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>>8852190
To clarify before somebody brings it up: I know Kat already sort of did that in their first 'girl talk' but Natani wasn't very receptive then, she heard her but didn't show much indication of getting it and applying that to herself but now shes had this sort of self awakening and could be perceived as being receptive when Kat reminds her of what she said and expands on it

I'm not a fan of Kat, but I'm all for anything which shows her to be a more complex character as well. The last page though, just falls back into her being a naive ditz

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>third panel
>piece of cloth in Kat's hand

I was going to make a joke about where Kat hid those panties considering she was naked (with lewd implications) but apparently the panties are sound continuity wise

Well played Tom, well played.

I know this comic for what it is. It's a pandering shitfest of anime tropes to suffice the ego of a manchild.

But I can't stop reading it.

Why am I so shit?

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>>8854722

>>8841879
Tom inserted mark into the comic?

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>>8852190
>More like resentful which is why this rapid escalation seems more unhealthy than anything. Its been literally less than a day since shes woken up from a coma in comic time, its not character growth, its deus ex machina to justify a very sudden character shift and I think it dumbs down one of the very few interesting characters in the comic.

Natani has always had a self-loathing about her because she couldn't let herself be herself. The masculine part of her soul would always reject and suppress the feminine part of her, but that doesn't mean that the feminine part doesn't exist. Natani sees femininity as weak, which means that for the longest time the feminine part of her was being suppressed by the masculine part. She was denying a part of herself and it was making her unhappy.

When she had her out-of-body experience, she came to realize and accept that both these parts of her personality are in fact her, and the only way she is going to figure out who she really is will be to stop fighting herself at every turn. To Natani before her brain got screwed up, being seen as a boy meant the freedom freedom to explore her masculine interests, but afterwards, it became a self-imposed prison that kept her from exploring her feminine interests.

In the case of the panties, the masculine part of Natani was saying "No way, that's something a girl would wear!" while the feminine part was saying "but you've never had women's underwear before, and it was nice of Kat to make them for you." Natani has finally stopped blocking out her feminine side, and in this particular instance it won the internal argument. She recognizes and accepts that she still needs to explore who she really is, and now she's less afraid of trying out female things.

>>8853043
She hid them in her big fluffy tail.

>>8852723
Perhaps it took a naive ditz to ask Natani if she wanted some women's undergarments?

>>8854722
because of the cheesecake anon

>>8859685
Eric asked nora to turn him into a girl?

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>>8859685
>>8859854
I don't think Eric would deliberately want to be a girl, but he's nothing if not opportunistic.

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>>8857326
Here's the better version of that page.

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>>8861114
10/10 massive improvement

>>8861346
>OC x canon character
REEEEEEE

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>>8857326
>Natani has always had a self-loathing about her because she couldn't let herself be herself.

She resented being a woman after the soul shredding but not her whole life, before the soul shredding she was fine being a girl but preferred or at least enjoyed to be seen as a boy

>that doesn't mean that the feminine part doesn't exist.

I never said it didn't

>She was denying a part of herself and it was making her unhappy.

It wasn't making her unhappy, it was leaving her confused thanks to Zen as shes forgotten what comes from her and what comes from Zen. She already preferred being seen as a boy before the soul shredding, she attributed it to Zen but her past self corrected her on that.

>she came to realize and accept that both these parts of her personality are in fact her

Quite the opposite actually

>being seen as a boy meant the freedom freedom to explore her masculine interests, but afterwards, it became a self-imposed prison

Almost had it, see that first part there was Zen impression of why she dressed like a boy not hers but I agree with the second part, it became a self-imposed prison

>In the case of the panties

Again ITS BEEN A SINGLE DAY. Want to know how rapid and nonsensical this is from a character standpoint? Imagine a women who was threatened with sexual assault being rescued and then immediately falling for her rescuer and getting all handsy and kissy with him. The first part, her falling for her rescuer makes sense but the second part is fucking retarded when it happens immediately after such a traumatic event, its something that needs to be built up to, otherwise it looks unhealthy and irrational.

Natani accepting the panties is like that. Shes only just woke up from the coma a few hours ago comic time and shes already changed so much that she thinking about wearing/accepting naughty lingerie? Its fucking stupid, there hasn't been enough growth to explain the character 180 but there is an explanation, Tom hit the easy button

>>8861877
>Quite the opposite actually

Ignore this part, I thought you were implying her suppression and rejection of her femininity were part of her personality, part of her, rather then a consequence of her confusion over where her thoughts originated from. Ie the opposite of what the whole mindscape thing was trying to put across.

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This of course ignores the fact that the entire mindscape scene makes no sense. If this part of Natani still exists within her and was not destroyed as we'd been led to believe then why was Zen and the mind link patchwork of her soul even necessary in the first place?

Answer: Its Deus Ex Machina, just like the mindlink was originally, Tom created himself yet another easy button so he can change Natani at his leisure and point to it whenever somebody complains that the change not making sense or conflicting with her character. It's not brilliant, its actually lazy as it gives Tom the ability to change the character without any development.

>>8862316
It could be due to them not realizing that her fragmented soul was still around inside her and even if they knew about it, the wolf mages probably didn't know how to restore Natani''s soul properly using her fragmented pieces and had to use Zen as a way to restore what they could of Natani as an easier and more immediate solution.

>>8862353
Still raises the question, how can you trust anything this 'young Natani' says. How can you know it hasn't been influenced by Zen's soul and perceptions as well. This is why character development is important.

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So how long before Natani turns into Cloud from Advent Children?

>>8862381
Because it's is taking place within the minds cape which only Natani and Zen can enter (there was also clovis but that isn't the case anymore). Also who isn't to say that there isn't a spiritual connection which present Natani can simply trust what young Natani says because she knows she's right since despite all the pieces not being put together, they obviously are able to fit together like visually seeing which puzzle piece can fit with another.

>>8863437
>Because it's is taking place within the mindscape

And Natani's mind has been addled with or without Zen. Nothing this young Natani says can be trusted, she could be like mental form of a hearts desire spell, saying whatever Natani wants to hear rather than what is.

If shes part of her mind shes also potentially broken, corrupted, not being remembered correctly and that isn't just because of Zen but because Natani has been the Natani we've known longer than shes been that Natani. You can't wave away 7 or 8 years of experiences and memories with a magic wand.

>Also who isn't to say that there isn't a spiritual connection which present Natani

The comic itself, it was explicit in stating that those parts of her soul weren't merely lost, they were destroyed and without them she would die. If the young Natani showing up now is those destroyed pieces of her soul, what brought them back and if they were never really destroyed than why was the Soul Merger and Memory patchwork necessary at all?

Either way it doesn't matter, the only reason the scene exists is so Tom can use it as an easy button. Natani suddenly is okay being female in a scene in a way which completely conflicts with her character? Mindscape. That was easy.

People bitched about the mental link basically being used to explain everything about Natani, now the mindscape scene will do the same yet people are just accepting it, what a double standard.

>>8863961
You also have to realize that stuff explained in the comic years and years ago can and has been retconned so it's not guaranteed what the reason for this stuff is. A previous explanation can be said that parts of her soul got destroyed but a newer page could retcon that.

>>8864063
>You also have to realize that stuff explained in the comic years and years ago can and has been retconned

Yes that is basically what the whole mindscape scene was, one giant retcon since Tom probably can't figure out where to go with Natani, so he opted for Deus Ex Machina rather then put in thought or effort.


I realize I am passonate about this but that is because Natani is the only character left I give shits about seeing growth.

There are individuals (not you guys I've been talking to) who want Natani reduced to Flora, Kat, or Laura levels of complexity because 'trannies are gross, I want another pretty princess to jerk off to' or 'the Keith and Natani relationship is taking too to see a payout! Speed things up!'. I view scenes like the panty scenes as pandering to those crowds and I worry its going to get worse as the comic goes on and that Natani will become basically Flora, Kat, or Laura at this point in the comic and that Raine will follow, then this comic really will be nothing but anime tropes including having a complex character just undergo a sudden change without any growth inbetween, like say Vincent Law in Ergo proxy. At the beginning and most the show he had an extremely cerbrial and complex build up only to in the last three episodes basically become as shallow a puddle again.

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You know fuck it, I'm taking this all way to seriously.

*insert that fan art picture of Natani wearing them I forgot to save*

>>8864243
I do agree with you that Natani at the moment is really the only character in the story that has a worthwhile growth potential (Keith was interesting too but he already had his moment a while back). Another thing cool about Natani is that because of how controlling she (I am referring to Natani as a she since I think that at this point she may accept that as a part of her) of her secret of being a female, she doesn't act like a typical Keidran which usually has their instinct take a large part of their decision making and actions, or at least compared to the other races. She resisted her own instinct when going into heat and curses her traitorous tail. As well as due to her secret, she is almost never seen in public without being fully clothed.

I do think that Natani being one of the more complex and rational (or irrational depending on the situation) thinking Keidran we've seen in the story, Keith is able to form a deeper relationship with her than Flora and even Laura. Flora early on in the story is too instinctively driven which was a big part of her character while Laura was succumbing to peer pressure to not follow through with going all the way with Keith. Natani has more to her than being a Keidran as she would be seen as an outcast if her secret was known to the world and that outsider mentality probably allowed her and Keith to relate and form a closer bond as well as their friendly rivalry with sparring. Keith and Natani from what I see have the most reasons why they like and possibly love each other (both thinks the other is attractive, trust each other, actually enjoy being with each other for a number of different reasons, etc.)

And to finish this off, I am making a prediction. Clovis is back and with that new mana stone Clovis will look male again and if he encounters Natani Clovis will mock woman as weak and inferior to men, Natani will reject that and embrace her female side and beat him.

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>>8864664
>Clovis is back and with that new mana stone Clovis will look male again and if he encounters Natani Clovis will mock woman as weak and inferior to men, Natani will reject that and embrace her female side and beat him.
Then the amulet ends up being destroyed and Clovis' secret gets publicly exposed, the way Natani feared being exposed for all those Keidran years.

>>8864958
Then clovis gets raped to death by his men as our heroes walk away uncaring.

>>8865183
I think Natani might actually save Clovis is she knew she was in that situation despite hoe much of a terrible person Clovis is. Probably since Natani knows all too well of what it's like being a female trying to pass as a male in keidran society.

>>8865183
>>8865299
Pretty sure Zen would be sympathetic towards Clovis if she were in that situation, because he knows how he'd feel if it was Natani. Whatever their history with Clovis, I don't think either of them could just sit back and get her get raped.

>>8866189
>>8865299

Part of me thinks that Clovis will actually get Katamari'd into the party in the same way that Natani did.

Which could be entertaining. Clovis loses all her money, titles, position, has to go on the run and live as a woman now that the secret is out.

And falls in love with Zen, of course.

Anyway, stream time.

https://picarto.tv/Seff

what day does 2k actually update on now?
It used to be thursday
then something like monday and friday
now it's ???

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today's pic

>>8867824
Wasn't this Sketch 5, not Sketch 4?

I call shenanigans.

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>>8866189
This because Zen already proved himself the sympathetic one of the two, he wanted to avoid killing Flora at all costs even if it meant pissing off his sister by flat out lying to her face because he believed in what Flora could accomplish (even though the whole tiger-wolf thing was probably a bust since its conception)

Natani on the other hand wanted to kill Flora because it was easier than capturing her (and it was permitted by her orders), she even demanded her brother do it while she was focused on Trace (not because she wouldn't do it herself). She hasn't really been put into such a situation again except the Tower, and while Keith and the others have probably been a positive influence over the past few months, if push came to shove she'd probably still do what she deemed 'necessary' in the moment. With Laura who she showed no hesitation in ending her life by indirect action she well aware of the consequences of.


Now lets say Clovis rears his head while Zen and Natani are both around, gets defeated and his secret gets revealed in the process (if hes still a chick at least). Natani might just want to end him/her rather than take the risk of leaving him alive while Zen on the other hand might see Clovis in similar light to his sister due to what hes gone through or might just pity him depending on how soundly his ass is handed to him. Don't think hes going to be attracted/fall in love with him/her though considering their past history.

It might also drive a wedge between Zen and Natani for awhile too

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This will be the party once Group A meets up with Group B:
Trace, Flora, Keith, Natani, Eric, Kat, Mike, Evals, Maren, Karen, Sythe, Red, Raine, Zen, Madelyn and Lynn

That is a pretty enormous party before talking adding anyone else like Clovis. Its going to be hard enough to tell a coherent story when you got 16 frequent characters in close proximity story wise.

Either Tom is going to wind up splitting them again if they do meet, have characters exit the main story (Maren, Karen, Eric, Mike, Evals, and maybe even Kat are good candidates since their roles are pretty much done or will draw to a close when they meet up with group A), or the bad possibility... characters are going to start dying to keep the party manageable (in which case I hope my theories about it possibly being Zen or Madelyn are wrong).

>>8868830
eric, kat, mike, evals, lynn, or madelyn dont count as party members though

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>>8868830
>implying half of them won't die
I like your mentality of everyone staying alive but I doubt it

>>8869032
They will be if they decide to go to Lyn'Knoll with everyone else rather then leave the story or split off into a new group.

>>8869302
they wont be, because only mike&evals and madelyn have actual storylines going on

>>8868830
Imo the characters who have the least amount of threads to tie up and are thus the most likely to be killed in some catastrophic event are Karen, Evals, Sythe, Zen, and Lynn. Without Evals I could see Mike leaving the group to be employed as a bartender at Adira's or something.

Trace, Flora, and their child are not going to die until (if at all) near the very end of the comic.

Natani and Keith still have major threads to finish up before either of them can die. And Zen's death may fuel some major developments with Natani's mental state.

Eric and Kat still have major threads to finish, but I think those will end with them splitting up and Kat continuing on while Eric stays behind.

I think that Karen and Sythe's deaths will fuel some major character development for Maren. I could see this galvanizing Maren to continue on or causing her to stay in Edinmire like Mike.

Red and Raine still have major threads to finish.

I feel like Tom has been hinting at there being more to Madelyn than it appears since she was introduced as a character. She still has a while to go before leaving the story.

Thus coming out of this arc I think we'll have a group of Trace and Flora, Keith and Natani, Kat, Red and Raine, Madelyn, and possibly Maren.

Anyone think that Madelyn and/or Lynn may be connected with the third mask deity we've yet to see?

>>8869865
I think so far the only major deaths we've seen in the story so far are Laura and to an extent Lady Nora as she's effectively out of the story for good if what she says is true about sleeping for a really long time. I kinda would be a bit shocked if Tom decides to go ahead and kill one of the main and supporting cast any time soon.

>>8869865
Thing is, Maren's only going to Edinmire to find Trace because she still thinks of him as her 'boyfriend'. How is she going to react when she finds out Trace not only 'married' a Keidran but impregnated her considering her views on Keidran?

I think shes going to throw a fit even if their relationship wasn't serious outside her head, she may leave disgusted with Trace which means Karen as her sister would likely follow as she doesn't really have a reason to still be in the story besides comedic relief.

That's why I marked them as possibilities for character to exit the story upon the two groups meeting.

Madelyn is the Kings daughter, she dies than the Basitins stop being neutral and enter the war which is why I figure her death is at least plausible unless Tom is comfortable with the Basitin Isles and rulers there basically being Sweden through the whole conflict. Personally I hope not as I want to see what the Basitin military is capable of against mages (hopefully without Maddie needing to bite the big one)

I'm fine with Eric leaving the story as hes got some things to work out after the whole revelation on the ship and might find Trace and company to be better care for her than leaving her to own devices in a human village at war with wolves (which Kat is at least part). Evals I can't see abandoning Mike but Mike has the same problem as Kat so what to do with him? Mike already said he can't go with Evals, he can't stay with humans who might enslave him again... so where does he go?

Lynn gives Keith's ambassadorship legal legitimacy, without Lynn for support the title is meaningless since I doubt Keith is experienced enough to back it himself when he doesn't even grasp the importance of maintaining his cultures laws outside the Isles (ie maintaining that legitimacy in the eyes of those he'd treat with)

>Anyone think that Madelyn and/or Lynn may be connected with the third mask deity we've yet to see?

My money is on Edmund Sirus

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>>8871293
if maddie dies I'm burning tom's house down tbqh

>>8872224
If Maddie does die and gets buried, I bet that casket will be empty since she is a master escape artist and manipulator

>>8872466
So basically a vampire

OK DWEEBS! TOM IS STREAMING NOW!
https://picarto.tv/Twokinds

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>>8874322

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Raine pic is getting there.

>>8875558
cute-lewd

>>8874322
>>8875558
Quality stuff right there

>>8870317
People seem to forget that this isn't Game of Thrones were character deaths are a major part of the story. Many of the characters' backstories involve death, but the only instance where a living character's death was used to progress the plot was Laura.

I think Trace might die but it won't be until the end of the comic.

>>8875558
I like what you've done with her face. Sexy but innocent. That's so Raine.

I wonder if the next page is actually gone to be done this week? Last I saw in the stream, Tom could practically be designing the interior of a hotel with the backgrounds he's doing...

>>8878310
series was canceled anon

>>8878863
Listening to The Sims music while drawing elaborate textiles for hours drove Tom mad and he literally said "fuck this comic I quit. They never reach Lyn'Knoll and everyone dies. The end."

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>>8861114
Definitive edition. Made one last change (technically two) because fuck symbolism I like boobs.

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>>8880692
>that not-so-subtle criticism of Tom's writing

>>8880704
disregard what I posted, its 4 in the morning and reading over my posts again, I don't even know what I was trying to say.

>>8880704
Literally made for femdom

>>8881164
I want her sitting on my face

>>8875558
What's she singing?

>>8882101
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8kgv1SCJ00

>>8883160
I wonder how much differently the comic would have went if this has happened.

>>8883160
>keith's ideal natani has smaller tits and a more feminine face

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>>8883626
>>keith's ideal natani has smaller tits

And yet they are still massive melons compared to Flora's.

Seriously though hes probably taken aspects of Laura and grafted them on Natani in his head.

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>>8883626
>>8883160

'dat ass though

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today's sketch

>>8884179
I feel like I should know this reference, what is it?

>>8884570
rose as the transistor protag

>>8882717
>that weak little slap sound
Kek

>>8882717
Oh she is so getting knocked up when spring estrus rolls around

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>>8883944
get back in your home flora, kat's waiting there for you

>>8882101

I dunno. My head is full of 80's music and new retro wave, and that's more right for my OCs than anything in TwoKinds.

Anyway, coloring time.

https://picarto.tv/Seff

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>>8882101
>>8887941
>>8875558

Given that shes howls off key, something vaguely appropriate but something grating to listen to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJL4UGSbeFg

>>8887563
Trash to all Felines!

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>>8888137
Blue is definitely more Natani's color than pink. Although the pink panties were super cute on her.

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>>8888627
I love how even as a seven year old Keidran Natani was already more stacked than Flora could ever dream to be

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>>8888804
Also what is with the dragon blood fountain?

>>8888845
dont be silly, it's just water from after the third impact

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>>8888871
>>8888845
Maybe Jesus touched it.

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>>8888804
How many keidran years old would Natani have been back then? The equivalent of 13 or 14? It's no wonder she grew up to be so stacked.

>>8889066
Sorry misread that. My guess equivellent to 15 or 16, ie whats considered adult in their cultures... any younger and Tom got rather risque with Natani as a minor

>>8889326
>>8889363
So then that means Nat would have been the equivalent of either a tween or early teenager back then, and now she's probably the equivalent of her mid to late 20s.

Of course, Keidran lifespans are a huge mess anyway and have never been particularly consistent.

>>8889439
It's best not to overthink it anyway, because actually trying to make a timeline around keidran's lifespans is a can of worms since it's not very consistent anyway.

>>8889461
Sorry deleted those two posts because I misread the guys question.

Like I said here >>8889439, I'm thinking 15 or 16 since any younger than that and Tom got some explaining to do. I mean not even Hermione in the Harry Potter series was allowed to show cleavage until her character
was 16.

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>>8889564
What the fuck am I saying! In the mindscape, her younger self who'd have to be younger than she is in DM is fucking naked!

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>>8889564
Yeah that makes sense. I'm just saying that the measure between human and keidran lifespans is confusing and inconsistent. Flora is supposed to be a young-ish adult and makes reference to 14 being full maturity where they settle down and become less promiscuous, though obviously 11 is when Keidran are considered adults and are expected to start having sex and looking for a mate.

There's a lot of stretch-and-squash going on, because if their lifespans were basically mini versions of human lifespans, their adolescent period would be a lot shorter. If adolescance is considered age 7-14 (age 7 being where the post-pubescent phase starts, and 14 being the age of emotional and psychological maturity), then they spend about 1/4 of their lifespans in adolescence whereas with humans it's only about 1/8-1/10 of our lifespans (depending on how long the person lives).

>>8889461
I have a feeling that Keidran become young adults by 9-10 years old and stay as young adults til 15-16 when they really start to age extremely quickly. Like after that 15-16 they start aging like 10x the rate of a human, maybe even more.

TL;DR I think Keidran, in proportion to their lifespan, are blessed with a relatively extended prime period in their lives but when that ends they age quicker than fruit flies.

>>8889660
Wish there was more lewds of Natani with her younger self. What better way to heal the rift between the conflicting part of her personality than for her to make purest love with it?

>>8889842
>I have a feeling that Keidran become young adults by 9-10 years old and stay as young adults til 15-16 when they really start to age extremely quickly.

Laura and Rose.

Laura died at 16, she was obviously not a young adult more like a women in her late 30's to mid 40's... but then things get really screwy when you look at Rose, in DM she is between 18 and 21 depending on how old you interpret her being in Raines flashback and she looks like she was in much the same state Laura was on the Basitin Isles, still youthful looking but starting to grey.

Keidran lifespan and maturity is FUCKED!

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>>8889955
The best part? Technically she wouldn't be cheating on Keith.

>>8890148
It's basically supernatural masturbation. A bit narcissistic perhaps, but I don't think most people consider touching yourself to be cheating.

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>>8890046
Said it before, and I'll say it again-- weird lifespans are a can of worms as far as writing goes and I think the only reason Tom went with it was because he was inexperienced as a writer and didn't realize what he was getting into. Now he's stuck with it and there's no way out unless he's willing to pull some kind of in-universe act of god to get away from it.

>>8890173
You obviously didn't get the reference, or maybe you never saw the Austin Powers 2 end credits scenes where it shows modern day Number 2 in bed with past Number 2 after sex to which the older Number 2 says "The best part is, technically its not cheating"

>>8890273
I only saw the first one because it was always on TV. Never bothered with the other two.

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>>8890779
I want a pillow of Natani.

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>>8890779
I wonder what Natani's mood swings will be like if Keith can get her pregnant.

>"Keith... its early come back to bed..."
"Natani you know I can't. I have to treat with the Templar magister today. You do want this peace to last don't you?"
>"Keith... please I need you..."
"So do both our peoples. Please be patient with me Natani, I'll only be a few hours..."
>"Keith, get you fluffy ass into this bed NOW or I swear I will shank you in the kidney!"
"....yes ma'am, I mean sir, I mean.... just don't hurt me!"

>>8891093
Oh he's not that much of a wimp

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>>8891239

>>8891829
>not also mourning zen
Non canon desu

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*Sir David Attenborough voice* "
Here we see a Kat trying to teach a wolf how to cook. Unfortunatley, wolves are by nature terrible at making food, thus making the effort all in vain."

>>8891867
You do realize the only time he met Zen face to face (other than through Natani) is when he rammed a sword through his back...

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>>8891892
>Natani learning to cook

Its like Undyne teaching to cook but in reverse yet still ending up with the same result.

>Natani... Please don't punch the Tomatos
>Natani you only need one package of pasta!
>Natani! Use the stove not fireballs!

>>8891898
https://www.deviantparadigm.com/2k/ep/index.html

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>>8891979
I think it's Raine. Raine's cheek floofles point up while Natani's point down. Raine also has a pointy chin, while Nat has a square chin.

(You know you've gone off the deep end when you can tell them apart in monochrome pictures. To anyone else they look like basically the same character design with different coloring.)

>>8891898
The only other interaction Keith has had with Zen is when Zen was making idle threats about what he'd do if Keith breaks his little sister's heart.

When you think about it, the circumstances under which Keith and Natani met should have made the idea of romance the stuff of laughable crack shipping nonsense, but it actually turned out to be something pretty special.

>>8853043
I don't read the comic, is lesbianism common in it? Do any of them fuck?

>>8892384
No only that spotted cat girl, kathrin, has shown interest in women and she's just desperate for anyone to fuck her regardless of their appearance

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>>8891892
>Unfortunatley, wolves are by nature terrible at making food, thus making the effort all in vain.

Two Kinds everyone! The one comic its completely okay to make broad generalizations based on race, sex, or species! I'm being serious, how can you criticize the fans for doing it when even the hero characters do it regularly.

>>8891829
Depression and being a 'wimp' are not the same thing.

But keith is hella hanging himself when natani dies

>>8892460
>Twokinds: The most racist anti-racism comic ever!

>>8892436
>she's just desperate for anyone to fuck her regardless of their appearance

Look I shit on Kat all the time and even I think that is being unfair.

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>>8892460

>>8892436
Disappointing. This comic reminds me a lot of sabrina online in terms of, loose looking slice of life furry comic. So nobody I want to fuck would probably ever do so.

>>8892835
Well there's the occasional impled offsscreen sex, and this chapter seems to be gearing up to a couple finally exchanging virginities after several years of will-they-wont-they

Interspecies relationships is kind of the theme, not usually in a sexual way though.

>>8892939
I'd just like to see one of these comics for once be done with more adult themes in mind. The guy has drawn all sorts of lewds before, but he seems ashamed of it?

>>8892959
he uses his real name, so if he started drawing and releasing porn it could damage his name for future employement.

>>8892999
Hasn't he been getting by with this comic though? And furry smut is pretty profitable, especially since his fans seem desperate for it. I guess I can understand not wanting to commit

>>8892959
I actually think its smart on Toms part to distance the lewd from the main comic canon as once you flat out show sex in the comic itself, that will be all many of the readers will want to see. The narritive plays second fiddle at that point.

Also the 'will they, won't they' aspect keeps a lot of people reading, as does the innuendo and sexually suggestive scenes. People have images and ideas of what is going on in their head, they get some freedom to imagine a whole range of possibilities you wouldn't be able to if Tom flat out showed characters fucking or doing exactly what is being implied or hinted at. Actually showing that stuff robs the comic of some of its magic and once that magic is gone, there is no way to get it back.

>>8892999
>he uses his real name, so if he started drawing and releasing porn it could damage his name for future employement.

Kind of rings hollow considering how suggestive his sketches have been of late and how much softcore sexual content already is in the comic.

>>8893314
>Also the 'will they, won't they' aspect keeps a lot of people reading
so many sitcoms died when they just had two sexually tense character fuck because everybody got what they wanted and stopped watching

>>8893084
Short term gain versus long term loss. If your name becomes associated with smut it can be great while you're still popular, but then people get tired of your style and someone new shows up who gets more money than you, and you can no longer support yourself with just your art. A potential employer looks up your name and finds a bunch of furry porn, and decide "I don't think I want to introduce this to our workplace environment."

Tom started drawing Twokinds at a time when 1) he was just a kid and 2) most people online didn't yet understood the importance of online anonymity. Not in the "I'm gonna post my whole life on Facebook because I want to be famous" way that normies today do, but in the innocent "I'm going to sign my name on this drawing because I'm proud of it" way.

A lot of drawfags made mistakes like that early on, but they never made anything particularly popular, and by the time they changed to a pseudonym and created a new online persona, any old stuff associated with their real name has probably been buried beneath the sands of time. Twokinds kept going though and if anything has only gotten more popular as Tom's art got more and more professional looking, so Tom would have had to choose between abandoning Twokinds and disappearing until his art had sufficiently changed before creating a new online identity, or keep supporting his baby and leave himself exposed to potential shame and ridicule if he did anything that could look cringey if someone showed it to a potential employer.

He chose the more difficult path which perhaps leaves him with a little less freedom, but at the same time he doesn't need to live in fear of his secret being exposed because everything about Twokinds is already public. People even know that his brother is Markiplier. The only really embarrassing thing with his name on it is the porn dump which when you look at it compared to his modern work, is quite clearly from when he was much younger, and kids make mistakes.

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>>8892497
>Trace wants to spend his whole life with Flora but he ends up dying young at the end of the story, leaving Flora to raise their child alone
>meanwhile Keith has accepted that he'll only have maybe 15 years with Natani at best
>in the back of his mind knows he will probably an hero when she dies but doesn't think about it and is committed to being happy with her for as long as he can be
>just after Trace dies, Keidran lifespans get extended
>Trace was worried about losing Flora someday rather than living in the moment, and dies with the regret that he didn't give Flora more of his time because he was worried that she wouldn't have enough time to give him
>meanwhile, Keith, the one who accepted his love's mortality and the pain that would come with it, gets blessed with the opportunity for them to live out the rest of their long, happy lives together

It would be too convenient for both of Trace and Keith's stories to have happy endings, but I don't think Tom is cruel enough to make both of their endings tragic.

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>>8896159
cute!
>dat duck

Tom is streaming now

>>8896261
>he's drawing natani's subconscious molesting itself
>right after that subconscious kiss edit was made

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>tfw best twinks never made another appearance

>>8896159
Looking great, can't wait to see it when it's done.

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>>8897410
>tfw sempai notices me

>>8898822
My memory might be a bit foggy, but is that an R63 or did they always look like that?

>>8901964
they were always that femme
except for the one sister in the group

>>8902039
I didn't even realize that one of them was female. Which one? I need to know because reasons.

>>8902065
tom never specified
it's a gamble

>>8902084
Of course. You have a 2 in 3 chance of fapping to a male character if you try to fap to the female. How Tom-ish.

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>>8902112
or a 2 in 2 chance

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So Keith and Nat are totes going to exchange V-cards in the next few pages, right? Tom's been teasing at it for a decade while it only took like two years for Trace and Flora to hook up.

>>8902141
no there'll be 2 months of awkward foreplay

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>>8902717
But it's been nothing but awkward foreplay ever since they were only a slip away from accidentally fucking in the bathtub.

>>8896135
>It would be too convenient for both of Trace and Keith's stories to have happy endings

Trace potentially already has the key to his, Flora is pregnant. If Natani can get pregnant by Keith and it happens in the epilogue that could be the key to Keith's happy ending.

You've missed an important part of the comic, a theme that gets repeated throughout it. Don't harp on life ending as you'll lose appreciation for what got in the moment.


I don't think either Flora or Natani will leave their partners with nothing but bittersweet memories

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>>8902141
If Natani and Keith have sex in the next few pages I'll be fucking livid as its equivalent to the 'and then they fucked' joke.

Natani waking up from the mindscape wasn't even a day ago for her and, despite what you may think, Keith and Natani haven't had much build up as a romantic couple yet. They only really admitted to having feelings for eachother a few weeks ago, much of which Natani was in a coma and Keith was reliving Laura all over ago.

Them fucking now would reduce KeithxNatani to TracexFlora tier.

Don't get me wrong I want them fuck, but I want it to make sense when it happens too

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>>8898822

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>>8903721

>>8903735
No wonder I didn't remember them, I've only read DM once and only the important stuff stuck. I didn't really focus on the background characters

>>8903735
besides wouldn't those characters be like 16 - 19 now.... they probably don't look as hot anymore

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>>8903735
>mfw Natani literally wore Snow Wolf blackface

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have some subconcious harassment, its good for you.

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>>8904589
>subconcious

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mmm dat backside doodle

>>8904589
Who's the keidran with the halo?

>>8904913
apparently its Natanis subconcious, from what I understood in the streamchat

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>>8904589
Pity this isn't canon as if it were than Tom unwittingly provided evidence that Young Natani and Current Natani are in fact separate entities and not parts of the same whole.

I mean how can she harass her subconscious when shes supposed to be part of that subconscious?

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>>8906479
Seems to be a common theme, right down to the coffee in hand. Seen other artists portray Renamon, Krystal, and Judy doing the same thing. Is it a reference to something?

>>8906568
I think it's simply a cute scene that people like to see their waifurs in

>>8905047
Think Natani would experience a Jekyll and Hyde moment where young Natani starts taking over in certain instances and both are vying control over their body? Now that adult Natani made contact with her younger self in the subconscious who isn't to say that young version wouldn't pop out since the doors are now open it seems.

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>>8906797
>Think Natani would experience a Jekyll and Hyde moment where young Natani starts taking over in certain instances and both are vying control over their body?

It'd really be Jekyll and Hyde in reverse since I'd imagine her younger self to be more laid back, less irritable, and maybe even nicer to the sorts which usually annoy Natani since she didn't spend 8 years making herself 'strong' mentally and physically, nor ever faced her own mortality, so wouldn't have the habits and mannerisms current Natani has.

As I said before, 8 years of dismissing feminitity as weakness as well as having a set way thinking during all that time isn't going to be erased after one headtrip, its still going to take some time and even so shes never going to be that young Natani again.

So yeah, if Natani acts uncharacteristically non-cynical, calm, laid back, and not dismissive of femininity in any regard than you know our Natani isn't at the helm.

>>8908305
Also young natani is the real natani, current natani is like 75% zen except female

Also you need to realize that if Raine is any indicator of something magical being surprised for a long period of time, it's that whatever gets surpressed once not well contained will push back hard in order to try and reach an equilibrium at some point.

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>>8908502
>being surprised
I'm guessing you meant 'supressed'

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>>8908784
IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING GET HYPE
>there's also something staring at them from behind the window

>>8908843
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>8908784
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>8908843
100% Lynn making sure Keith and Natani doesnt do anything lewd.

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>>8908471
You obviously didn't pay attention to what young Natani said and are giving Zen too much credit just as Natani was.

The Natani we have now is all her, it all came from her not Zen. Zen had his influence on her yes, but it was Natani with her own mind still ultimately deciding how to react to that influence.

She made up stories she believed with absolute certainty, ad-hoc rationalizations for her behavior she never considered alternatives to until she met Keith, and reinvented herself into what she thought was ideal, not what Zen thought was ideal as in his mind his sister is still that scared little girl after the village attack not the strong, independent and willful Natani we ended up with

The problem is her view of the world and herself now is very narrow and it limiting her growth as a person, and it holds her back as some of her beliefs make her dependent on Zen no matter how strong she makes herself out to be but its still not Zens fault, it still comes from Natani.

Let me put it to you another way, if the way Natani is now is largely because of Zen and the mind link then how come Natani isn't much different with the link severed after the Mindscape scene? Will all the progress shes made since waking up be erased once the shackle comes off Zens ankle? No. Because the way Natani is, isn't because of Zen. Its because of her.

She's 100% Natani, Zen just had a hand in shaping her but shes still her own women who likes to be thought of as a man

Young Natani wasn't trying to turn our Natani back into her, she was just trying to remind her that she chooses who she is and shouldn't blame or depend on Zen

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>>8908843
>there's also something staring at them from behind the window
It's Maddie. She will be watching them fuck while masturbating furiously.

>>8908784
Shes thinking about it... lets see if she follows through

>>8909150
My money is on Maddie, in theory on behalf of Lynn to ensure no lewdness but in reality to see Keith taking his armor off. Slowly.

>>8908784
keith blowing everybody out of the water with white sclera in this entire page

>>8909320
I noticed that too, he looks so much better with it

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>>8909200
Well that's just it, Natani this whole time has been blaming Zen for her gender confusion even though it boils down to the fact that Natani sees females as weak and doesn't want to be associated with weakness. Linking minds with Zen might have started it, but it was Natani's own decision to keep up the male charade and hate her feminine qualities.

Learning to accept that both aspects of her personality come from her and that she doesn't have to hate herself for the feelings she has is part of her character development. Young Natani showed up to basically say "Hey, I'm still here, and I'm still part of you, but were' not that different. You've just forgotten who you are and are using Zen as an excuse to avoid finding out."

Part of it may be as simple as Natani wanting to be just like her brother, to the point that she has been afraid of finding out who she really is. The mental link was the perfect excuse to keep trying to emulate him, and she never owned up to the fact that she was avoiding discovering her true self because she thinks that her true self is a week little girl.

>>8909200
The only thing I'm still entirely insure about is that supposidly Zen shares a part of his soul with natani in order to fill in the missing fragments and is also how they have their mind link connection going on. When Zen wore that collar, Natani shut down due to that connection filling the gaps in her soul gone. How exactly did Natani revive herself if her soul is still not rstored enough for her to function by herself? I'm thinking that the soul did heal itself overtime to the point that she is no longer as dependent on the Zen connection as she was earlier on.

>>8909400
I was with you up until you said she wanted to emulate her brother as if she was trying to emulate her brother, she failed miserably

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>>8909409
I think she was using Zen as a crutch even though her soul was healed. She'd spent so long leaning on Zen that she didn't remember how to use her own legs, so to speak. When the link was severed it was like her crutch was taken away, and she had to figure out how to stand back up without him, which is what was happening during the dreamscape. There's nothing wrong with Natani's soul anymore, she just hadn't been using it, and may in fact have been actively avoiding being herself out of fear and a poor sense of self.

Natani still has the mental link with Zen, which will no doubt become active when he is free, but she doesn't need him anymore. Her soul is complete and works on its own, but now Natani is having to re-discover the bits of herself that have been tucked away for all those years.

It's not like the feminine parts of Natani have never poked up before, either. She has a nurturing quality about her when it comes to Keith, especially when he was hurt, and of course there was that side comic with the enchanted panties (which may or may not be canon), as well as her reaction to the pink dress. For a moment she fantasized about dressing up like a girl, before shaking it off and being all "no, that's not me!"

Her soul has probably been fine for a long time, but she still leaned on Zen out of habit and stubbornness. She remembers her old self as being a frightened little girl, because that's how Zen remembers her, and that compounded her belief that females are weak and that she should strive to be as not-female as possible.

>>8909606
>she failed miserably
Of course, because she's not Zen. Natani's personality is too chaotic to successfully emulate a master of not giving a fuck, but that doesn't change the fact that she wanted to be just like him.

>>8839530

I want to know what that butt smells like.

>>8909645
>For a moment she fantasized about dressing up like a girl, before shaking it off and being all "no, that's not me!"

Its actually an anime trope as I've seen similar scenarios on shows like Pokemon as well as others I can't remember cause I haven't watched anime since I was 14 but I do remember such scenes

>>8909678
yet shes nothing like him which makes me question you belief she was trying to emulate him at all

>>8908784
>that 4th panel
whoever is spying better record the whole sexytime

>>8909900
your get confirms

Maybe it's Eric. The light is reflecting off of his glasses. He's either going to draw / paint them doing it or Natani naked while she's alone.

>>8909850
Career choice, clothing, interests, etc. Emulating doesn't mean trying to copy someone's mannerisms and temperament. The ways in which Natani resembles Zen are superficial, which likely points to her intentionally emulating him. If she was genuinely like Zen because of the mind like then she would have some of his personality, but she really doesn't. The ways in which she is like Zen are the ones that she chose, while the traits that actually define Zen are not present.

>>8910030
>Career choice
That was before the soul shredding and wasn't done because she sought to emulate her brother but because she didn't want to be separated from him.

>clothing
They are both members of the same guild, if there is any sort of uniform it'd explain why they were both dressed the same especially if that guild also supplies them (at a cost). Individuality is also expensive and Natani and Zen were often strapped for cash. Better to buy clothing which could be shared than buy clothing only one of them could ever wear. Finally there are also tactical reasons to be dressed the same, especially when you enemies don't know there is more than one of you.

>interests
This one you are dead wrong as where Zen focused on Combat during his training, Natani focused on Magic. Zen thought it worthwhile to learn some human, Natani thought it was a waste of time

>Emulating doesn't mean trying to copy someone's mannerisms and temperament.

Actually it does besides you undermine that point here:

>The ways in which Natani resembles Zen are superficial, which likely points to her intentionally emulating him.

Where is she emulating him internally? It sure as hell doesn't show externally.

>The ways in which she is like Zen are the ones that she chose

I'm not seeing many ways shes like Zen at all

>>8909984
>The light is reflecting off of his glasses. He's either going to draw / paint them doing it or Natani naked while she's alone.

RIP Eric Vaughan. Natani is going to bury him in the woods if she finds out

>>8909900
>>8908843
Weirdly enough, the 'silhouette' looks like that of a cat head
Do you know who uses cats to spy on things in twokinds ?

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>>8910949
What? You were expecting Nora? She passed on in cave on the Basitin Isles.

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>>8910720
>intentionally
>not "internally"

Really though, let's not forget the most obvious way in which Natani tries to emulate Zen-- the fact that she has spent the last few years trying to be a man. The fact that Natani cut her hair short like Zen's is another example of a way in which she superficially emulated him, but she ended up growing it back out later, because ulimately, she is a different person.

Natani and Zen are not really that similar, which is why Natani's attempts to be like him are generally superficial and have been shown to be peeling away. When her and Zen were introduced, the were "the brothers magi." Basically introduced in such a way that they'd seem like a gimmicky "twin assassins" type villain, although there's really much more to them beneath the surface. Then we hear that Natani has a copy of Zen's soul which is why she is "similar" to him and "has a male soul," but over time we find out that neither of those is really true. The whole point is that we see over time just how different Natani is than Zen, and that's a big part of her character development. We are supposed to think Natani is a copy of Zen at first, because that's what Natani believes, but we gradually start to realize it's not true and that she is in fact her own person, but has been clinging to her brother as part of her identity.

One of the last things of Zen's that Natani has been clinging on to is his gender, and even that is peeling away. All of her friends know that she's a woman and have seen her without her disguise, but they don't treat her any differently. The only person left who needs to fully accept that she doesn't have to pretend to be a man to be herself is Natani, and at that point she will be truly free of her need for Zen.

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>>8911006
Nora's not dead, she's just hibernating. Wether she sleeps for a few months or a hundred years is anyone's guess though.

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>>8910949
>>8911006

>Mfw one brief interaction with Lady Nora turned Brahn's daughter into a total degenerate voyeur

>>8911006
Holy shit it's really that cat

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>>8911015
>Really though, let's not forget the most obvious way in which Natani tries to emulate Zen-- the fact that she has spent the last few years trying to be a man

But she did that before the soul shredding and not because she was trying to emulate Zen or because she had to. She liked it.

>The fact that Natani cut her hair short like Zen's is another example of a way in which she superficially emulated him

Except according to Young Natani she didn't do that to emulate Zen, or because she had to, but because SHE LIKED IT.

Young Natani also preferred to be seen as a boy, after the soul shredding though it got cranked up to 11 because Natani forgot why and believed it was a consequence of the soul merger or because she had to do it because that is what Zen believed.


I do not agree that Natani ever tried to emulate Zen, they are different in choice of appearance, in personality, interests, posture, and just about every other way you can think of.

>>8911113
Sorry it was typo I mean passed out not passed on

>>8911321
save one, Zen and Natani both are deep sleepers who drool and snore

>>8911321
>But she did that before the soul shredding and not because she was trying to emulate Zen or because she had to. She liked it.

It was a disguise before, not her identity. She liked the freedom that came with not being seen as a girl in wolf culture, but she herself said she didn't mind being a girl. It wasn't until after the soul sharing that Natani started demanding Zen use male pronouns on her and shit like that. There's absolutely nothing to suggest Natani was confused about her gender before then, only that she liked being seen as a boy in a culture that is very misogynistic.

>>8911592
>She liked the freedom that came with not being seen as a girl in wolf culture, but she herself said she didn't mind being a girl.

First part your are extrapolating from what Natani has said throughout the comic about women in wolf culture but mindscape rendered those statements questionable as its clear Natani herself didn't remember her own motivations to certain actions or behaviors prior to the soul shredding and is going largely on what her brother believes.

Second part young Natani did say but she didn't expand upon it beyond that. We don't know what is was about being seen as a boy she liked, it may have had nothing to do with misogyny. She might just have liked the look for all we know.

>It wasn't until after the soul sharing that Natani started demanding Zen use male pronouns on her and shit like that.

This you are completely pulling out of your ass. I mean its a fair assumption but there is the possibility Zen started doing it on his own without Natani asking. Their minds being linked and all would make it difficult for Zen to see Natani in a way she didn't see herself.

>There's absolutely nothing to suggest Natani was confused about her gender before then

I never said she was confused about her gender, I don't consider preferring to be seen as male in and of itself gender confusion. There are males who dress as females who do not identify as female and some that do but admit that biologically they are male and are comfortable with that. They just like to look 'pretty'

>he liked being seen as a boy in a culture that is very misogynistic

But was it a result of that misogyny or was it for her own reasons? Again we can't go by current Natani's reasons because mindscape proved she doesn't remember.

>>8911827
>This you are completely pulling out of your ass. I mean its a fair assumption but there is the possibility Zen started doing it on his own without Natani asking. Their minds being linked and all would make it difficult for Zen to see Natani in a way she didn't see herself.

That doesn't really make sense though, if the point of young Nat was to tell adult Nat to stop pinning everything on Zen and own up to her own decisions and attitudes about her gender. If Natani thinks she's a boy because Zen assumed Natani wants to be a boy, then it all goes back to Zen being a dingus and confusing Natani by incorrectly interpreting her actions.

I do agree that Natani lost a chunk of her memories and that is likely in part why she is so confused about her identity, but I think her gender confusion is ultimately because of the fact that Natani thinks women are weak, and wants so badly to not be seen as weak that she rejected her own womanhood. Her perception of herself as being weak because she's female comes from Zen, in part because he is a male who was raised in wolf culture, but also because he loves her so dearly and can't bear the thought of something bad happening to her any time she has a moment of weakness. She will continue to cling to the male identity until she accepts that women are not weak, that there's nothing wrong with being one, and that being a woman doesn't mean she has to trade her cloak for a pink dress and trade in her dagger for a feather duster.

I don't have anything to comment as far as the plot goes but every time two non-humans "hold tails" together is the cutest thing and I would like it to happen more often, thank you very much.

>>8912202
>if the point of young Nat was to tell adult Nat to stop pinning everything on Zen and own up to her own decisions and attitudes about her gender. If Natani thinks she's a boy because Zen assumed Natani wants to be a boy, then it all goes back to Zen being a dingus and confusing Natani by incorrectly interpreting her actions.

That wasn't what I was saying and I don't know what you are going on about. What I'm saying is that as Natani's self image and personal identity changed it would have been difficult for Zen to simply ignore since they share minds, meaning Natani may never have had to ask Zen to call her by male pronouns. He may have just sensed that is what she prefers to go by especially since if it happened early in their link. Every time he called her by a female pronoun he would have directly sense how that made her feel, likewise when he called her by the male pronoun he would have felt how that made her feel. Then there her self image which is a literal image Zen can see when their minds are linked. A male Natani in their linked minds is difficult to ignore.

>but I think her gender confusion is ultimately because of the fact that Natani thinks women are weak

Is it? Or is because that is what Natani made herself believe as one of her ad hoc explanations for why she prefers to be seen as male? Mindscape kind of invalidated all the reasons she gave for her seeing herself as male throughout the comic. You can't trust them anymore because young Natani made it clear she doesn't remember her own motivations anymore.

>She will continue to cling to the male identity until she accepts that women are not weak

Or she will continue to identify and largely present herself as male because that is ultimately what she prefers but accepts that its okay to show she also female and its okay to show femininity ie find a balance between the two positions. Not saying that is what is going to happen, just that its another possibility.

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soon time for new thread.

Suggestions for opening pic?

How about:
"Oneesan wil make you an adult Edition"?

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Will Natani Wear The Panties or Go Commando Edition

>>8913249
>degenerate theme
Get a futaflora in the OP and I'm ok with it

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today's sketch

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bumping just so somebody makes new bread

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>>8917119
we still have 30 posts to go anon

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>>8908784
>starts making plans to make new wraps to hide her ample bussoms
>immediately segues into considering wearing lingerie panties to bed

Jesus, Natani was less confused before she met herself

>>8917214
I keep forgetting that Natani has slit pupils cause she is a keidran. I prefer her when her pupils are more dilated

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>>8913455
I wonder if next page she'll be like
>"But... I guess it wouldn't hurt to see if they fit..."

And I'm sure there's a full-length mirror in that room, too.

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>>8917495
>putting on the panties of a literal sex slave who, virgin or not, sleeps next to Eric most nights

>>8910720
I think you have the 'tism.

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>>8917557
Kat never specified that they were *her* panties, and at any rate, if they were I don't think they'd fit Natani.

Kat and Eric have this weird relationship where in some ways they're very intimate with each other, but at the same time they don't do anything sexual and neither has declared any romantic intentions.

In all likeliness the panties are something Eric keeps around for his "female guests" to try on, but he's apparently never had Kat wear them because she doesn't seem to know what they're for. >>8909645 We know he's fucked some of his slaves, and he's probably fucked a lot of his models.

Although let's not forget, those two pages were a oneshot / twoshot, and many of those are of dubious canon (although the one about Natani's magical boob wrap is canon, so for all we know the panty incident is too).

>>8909840
>>8909645
I thought those things were supposed to be Zen's imagination since he still sees her as his little sister. So, ironically, her feminine imagine spots come from Zen and not from her "weakness" as she believes.

>>8917363
Her femininity had been surpressed both magically and willfully for the last several years, and now that it's been re-united with her conscious self I expect her to go through a lot of confusion. Next thing you know she'll be bashfully asking Kat to make her a bra to match her panties.

>>8917214
>that TUFT
MY DICK NEEDS IT

you cant die for another 16 posts

>>8843898
Natani has the best cock-massagers for sure

>>8922374
I'm not a paw guy but wouldn't raine technically have the best ones?
They'd be softer since she's hardly ever walked on bare keidran feet

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>>8922501
like a puppy's

>>8917214
>>8919968
I want to bury my face in Natani's tuft and stay there forever.

>>8922858
I called it first reee

>>8922517
Context?

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>>8922501
The pink color isn't my favorite, plus who doesn't want their waifu's paws to have some use?

If you ever get bored of the paws, you can always move to the booty or chest.

>>8923501
in mgsv you can rescue a one eyed puppy and occasionally your soldiers at motherbase talk about him, one of the conversations is a soldier being really weird about DD's paw pads and convincing another soldier that touching them would be amazing

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>>8923528
>not into pink paws

>>8918696
>>8918764

Its a joke people

>>8918812
>Her femininity had been surpressed both magically and willfully for the last several years, and now that it's been re-united with her conscious self I expect her to go through a lot of confusion. Next thing you know she'll be bashfully asking Kat to make her a bra to match her panties.

Her femininity wasn't suppressed magically at all unless you are talking about Natani's spell to hide her boobs which never worked or the one which hides her smell which was kind of necessary to keep the secret.

It was all willful and consciously self-imposed on Natani's part, also she didn't 'reunite with her conscious self' what are you suggesting? That the Natani we know is a complete fake with no free will? You didn't listen to young Natani my friend.

Natani is Natani, she just doesn't realize that the way she is she CONSCIOUSLY choose for herself, it all came from her. The only goal the young Natani had was to make current Natani realize that, not to make her think she has to be like like that young Natani was because that would have been no better the way she goes about things now. It'd be trading one crutch for another crutch.

Natani feels like she's the only interesting female character in the story other than I Raine I suppose.

>>8925261
Ditto

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>>8925261
Which is why Tom better not fuck her up by rushing the whole gender identity resolution subplot and giving into fan service. Knowing Tom though he will, he'll just have her start giving to girly shit randomly because that is what people want to see. They don't want a complex character, they want another pretty girl to ogle over.

Tom will do it ignoring the fact that what people want to see isn't always best for the story as hes not really that good of a writer.

I mean imagine what A Song of Fire and Ice would be like if George Martin always wrote what people wanted. People might like it, but in the end It'd be forgettable.

>>8926112
Stuff like this is the reason why I have a really hard time becI ming invested in any webcomic. Las Lindas and Rascals never took its story seriously for a's long as the comics been around and recently those comics have been trying to have a more serious storyline happening in recent arcs but I can't take it seriously ad I have no investment in these characters.

Regarding twokinds, the only real thing that draws me back is the Keith/Natani storyline and group b as those have some potential to turn put better than I am expecting as i can safely say that Trace/Flora are among the weakest story moments for me and if they are the main focus I'd abandon this comic.

>>8926235
>Stuff like this is the reason why I have a really hard time becoming invested in any webcomic

Me mostly its because its very rare for stories to get a resolution or maintain coherence, either because the author gave up or because they decided to become fan whores

Another web comic very simular but predating Two Kinds was Black Tapestries, it had many of the exact same themes (though darker) and a few similar characters but was better written.... a least until the last year or so of the comic where it became clear the author lost focus. She compromised characters, introduce multi-dimensional cross overs, she even essentially killed of the antagonist at which point she didn't know how the fuck to continue the story and rightly so, so it died with no resolution.

>>8926464
Oh god... I just looked it up again and realized she tried to revive three years ago.... by posting a new page saying that 'shit happened in the seven years between pages' which didn't explain what happened and just jumped into a new story as if the viewers knew what was going on.

She also merged it into the continuity of her side comic based on RPs with fans in a parallel dimension.

I take back what I said, Black Tapestries was probably crap

>>8926774
Other times Web comics I did read were interesting to me but had long hiatus and a really uncertain update record and even chanced of it being cancelled. Main points being alpha Luna and wrongside.

>>8926930
Yeah, I stopped reading Alpha Luna for the same reason but it seems that it was started again.

>>8926967
I hear he's releasing physical copies for his country of chile? I'm not really blaming the guy for not updating his comics at an acceptable pace since people have lives to live but he could have at least notified that there will be a wait instead of some people waiting for over a year for a new update.

Wrongside I kinda like despite its flaws but I can tell from the kind of story being told and how long it took for the author to each the current point that the story will never be completed unless she gets a major financial funder.

NEW THREAD: >>8927169