/Gfur/ - Quietly into the night edition Vanilla (no bara, n

why the fuck do these threads die so quickly? even the fucking fat gfur and bara threads stay up longer than us!

>>8539914
Because these threads are crap. A good start would be to ban the discord shit from 4chan

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>>8539914
Most of us are burgerlanders, so if no yuropoors/aussies are here to keep them afloat overnight, they get slid pretty hard by the other generals. That and we're a vanilla thread in a board full of fetishes.

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>>8539914
No idea. My best guess would be that things like bara/thicc seem to be what's in right now.

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>>8539914
>thread filled with lonely bitter degenerates who shriek like children at anything slightly different
>surprised that people stop giving a shit and just leave the threads to die
at least the bara threads are fun

>>8540327
How'd your date go?

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>>8540327
The bara threads are full of weaboos and autism.

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>>8540343
Pretty nice actually. It was raining so we went to his place and snuggled while watching shitty movies.
>>8540397
and yet they're still preferable to most of the posters here. Think about that.

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Are furfags disproportionately manlets or something?

Yesterday just for shits and giggles I put some furry finder app on my phone, besides the chronic autism you see here there and everywhere, one very common theme seems to be people self reporting their height/weight in the manlet zone. I don't think I've seen such a higher self reporting collection of 4'9" to 5'6" tall people before, and it seems that self reported weights are either like 130-160 lbs or 230+ lbs (while being under 5'10") with no middle ground.

These are even self reported numbers without any RL pics the vast majority of the time, so you'd even suspect people to be bluffing more than they otherwise would.

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>>8540902
probably, I know at least I'm a manlet

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>>8540412

At least the fatfags split off from the bara thread, so it's not as unbearable as it was before. The difference is still striking in the difference between vanilla /gfur/ and fetish /bara/ though.

>/bara/ post talking about husbando/date/etc
>image is guy getting face fucked through a glory hole in a dirty bathroom stall
>everyone in the pic probably has AIDS

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>>8540412
>It was raining so we went to his place and snuggled while watching shitty movies.
That is so disgustingly adorable. Glad you had a good time.

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>>8540902
Think about how much of an autistic beta faggot loser someone has to be in order to look for a partner on a furfag dating app

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>>8541004
You know I honestly don't have a problem with casual sex but the whole bathroom stall thing is just...revolting

>>8541083
yeah, I had a good time. nothing really lewd happened except for a few cheeky gropes here and there but it just feels nice to be up close to someone warm and listen to them breath. You know? I found it relaxing, at any rate.

>>8541561
I hope things go well with you two.

What if you both fall in love and then you find out he's Jewish?

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>>8541561
>it just feels nice to be up close to someone warm and listen to them breath.
>You know?
y-yeah, I know what that's like, what kind of loser wouldn't hahaha

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>>8541478

It was also overloaded with fucking trannies.

Sure I was going in for some chuckles and cringe... but experiencing too much cringe first hand like that is dangerous to your mental health.

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>>8541685
Do you think I'm stupid? I probe hard when I first meet people. He's Italian, family is all Catholic.
I know what I'm doing.

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>>8541878
How the fuck did you two being furfags even come up in conversation?

>>8541741
Trannies are the worst.

Post more cute otters

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>>8542375
hmm, iirc we were talking about vidya because we wanted to talk about our interests and we just ended up talking about the places we go to online. We both started talking about sex stuff at one point, mostly for funsies. I think I made some joke about furfaggotry, or something and that's when he admitted what he was. And so did I. And then things went from there.
One flaw though
>Oh well I spend a lot of time on r/furry
>spending any amount of time on plebbit
I'll have to correct that eventually

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Thread Theme:
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>>8542644
>reddit

Gross. At least he's not a gay pride "muh identity politics" faggot, right,?

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>>8543379
nah, he frequents the donald subreddit and keeps most of his identity to himself. Still though, plebbit is plebbit but it could be worse. And he's sweet and loves to cuddle so...I'd say he makes up for his less than tasteful internet habits quite well

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>>8543479
But is he also a footfag?

>>8539741
>>8539789
>>8540205
>>8541083
>>8541478
>>8543235
More /cute/ pls

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>>8544648
No idea, haven't gotten that far yet. I hope so but if he isn't then hopefully I'll at the very least get him to let me lick his feet at some point

>>8545483
I'm sure he'll let you give him foot rubs either way.

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>>8544720
Can never have enough cute gay couples

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Marcus and Reis are such a good couple.

Gay love is best love.

>>8552753
Why are women so shit?

>>8553411
because you havent found the right one yet.

>>8554540
Wrong, all women are shit. Gay love is a lot more genuine

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>>8553411
Because they're all batshit crazy and used to getting away with their bullshit because pussy whipped heterofags will bend over backwards for them.

>>8554540
There are no good women.

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>>8554612
>Gay love is a lot more genuine

Truth.

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>>8553411
Because women do not feel genuine affection towards people. Despite the stereotype that women are emotionally driven beings, they do not actually form emotional connections with people. Not even their fellow women.
They are entirely driven by their materiality and percieved social status. A woman feels entitled to affections, she expects men to shower her with gifts and jump through hoops to claim her. Even then they must work even harder to actually get the privilege of sex with her. Men on the other hand feel genuine sentimentality and are willing to work to please their woman.
Two men who are in love are both willing to work to please each other.

The difference between straight love and gay love is that every single task in a straight relationship is a man trying desperatley to earn affection, love and sex from his woman, who regards him not as an actual equal partner, but a servant that sometimes she will indulge just to shut him up for a bit.
In a gay relationship, two men work and do as they do because they actually care about each other, there is far more equality in a gay relationship and most importantly, when falling on hard times, two men will stick together because they love and depend on each other. A women will look to jump ship at the first sign of trouble because she does not view her male partner as a partner but merely as a means to an end. When she believes he has outlived his usefulness she will abandon him

I woke up this morning and you know what I thought?

I realized how wonderful it was that I wasn't born a gypsy

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>>8556934
This. Women view men as means to an end. Men view men as people.

Can you imagine how much better things would be if straight guys stopped being pussy whipped bitches and putting up with women's bullshit?

>>8556951
Good morning Romanian fag. At least you guys aren't committing suicide by importing muslims and giving them welfare.

>>8557058
Femboys are disgusting.

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>>8557138
I feel immense pity for straight men. They will honestly never get to experience genuine love and affection. Yet they hold the weight of the world on their backs. It's tragic

God you're a pretentious bunch

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>>8557304
I'm sorry. I'm trying to work on that actually

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>>8557304
Pretentious about what?

>>8557907
The whole "gay love is the only true love". Get over yourselves, my dudes.

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>>8557938
I mean it's true. What do you want? want me to just lie? I can't do that

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>>8557938
But gay love IS the truest form of love.

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I had a good day

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>>8560832
What happened?

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>>8561340
well it was raining today and I love rainy days, but I also had lunch with the guy I'm seeing, which was nice. He kissed me goodbye which caught me by surprise. But it felt nice.

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>>8561449
>He kissed me goodbye which caught me by surprise. But it felt nice.
You lucky son of a bitch. That's so freaking cute. I'm glad you found someone that makes you happy.

>>8561449
Didn't you faggots hang out just a day earlier?

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>>8563384
nah, we had a date saturday night and today we just decided to grab lunch together.

>>8563511
So is the meme ship dead?

>>8565690

More dead than Hillary's presidential election prospects.

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>>8567469
>trusted sources reporting meme ship chances at 99.5%
>meme ship dead
>everyone is surprised, except for a cocky faggot scalie

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Is everyone asleep?

>>8569180
No, some of us are awake and very aware of the fact that they have no one to talk to.

>>8569180
Why sleep? I don't have anyone to snuggle with! I can't even drink coffee with them and stay up until the sun rises.

>>8569264
Maybe because when you sleep there's a chance you could dream of snuggling someone. Maybe our dreams show us what happiness is to hold us over until someone finally loves us.

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>>8569242
>>8569264
Hopefully we'll all find good men to snuggle in bed with.

>>8569392
That's true! I almost never have dreams like that though. Most of mine are just weird.

>>8569394
You'll do it, Anons! It isn't that difficult! People find cute men to snuggle with all the time.

>>8569394
I hope I do, but I don't really have too much hope that it will happen the last few times I've completely fucked it up some how and no one will tell me how i fucked up so i can correct it.

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GAY

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>Mfw you ll never be this stupid to fall for an orange fat fuck that tells you what your simpleton mind wants to hear and unironically support it
Feels good man.

>>8572996
Women are shitty people.

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>>8572996
>it's over, Drumpf is finished
said increasingly nervous libtard for the 20th time this year

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>>8573911
>being such a desperate drumpflet you make up things to reply too
Let me guess, next you ll talk about Hillary because you know she is that much more competent and less of a lying corrupt cunt than the orange cunt ;^)

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>>8573911
>replying to bait this obvious
Just ignore him, giving him (you)s will just shit up the thread.

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>>8574101
It's just really really funny tho

>>8572996
>>>/sci/

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>>8572996
Isn't that the gal who did the tax returns and found out that Trump was paying more than the people who own her tiny studio?

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>>8573982
>>8573982
>pic

The fiscal conservatives won't like it, but the anti-political correctness/pro-free speech voters might grudgingly accept that.

Also why does your post have absolutely zero to do with CUTE GAY FURFAGGOTRY? How much of a fucking shitter do you have to be?

>>8573982
More!

>>8575541
Got any more bird guys who aren't video game characters?

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Bump from NL

Someone be gay with me and introduce me to the world of furries

>>8583233
e621 is all you need my mutually gay friend

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>>8583233
Deer are handsome and cute and sexy.

Shame about Ritts' art turning to shit though.

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Good night gay fags.

If anyone's still up, try to keep the thread bumped,

>>8583233
e621.net
Tags are seperated by spaces, multi word tags are joined with underscores, modifiers are joined with colons, you can tell it to not include tags with a minus and they use the * wildcard Example: Male -female order:score cum_*

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>Mfw you ll never be as stupid as /pol/tards to unironically believe this

>>8586459
>Implying it was just the Nazis that hated Jews
They have been kicked out of every society they ever inhabited because just like islam, Judaism is a dangerous cult and its followers need a fucking gas chamber

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>>8587819
>He is unironically a racist nazi /pol/tard
Lmao

>>8587851
>When we won the election
Stay salty

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>>8588056
>Majority chooses Hillary
>We "won" the election
LMAO

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>>8588056
I love that when you idiots face criticism all you cans say is HURR BUDURR TRUMP 1 DA ELECTION like ti fucking proves a point (plus we're not all american, idiot)

>>8588176
>>8588499
Wow you really are upset.
Don't worry eventually when you yuropoors get thrown off roofs after letting in the Muslim hordes you'll see our point of view. And after all you idiots are dead we'll reclaim the land for ourselves

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>>8588590
>Going full retarded

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>>8588590
>hordes of muslims
mate, I'm Australian. You know, the country that dealt with refugees without going batshit crazy in the process?
Also, if you're going to shit all over the thread with your idiocy post some godamn porn with it.

>>8561531
Honestly, kissing is not just hot, it's also very romantic and cute.

Post kissing please.

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>>8590483
SMOOCH

>>8591069
:D

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>>8588984
>I'm Australian

Australia us upside down. In Australia the problem is the foreign money coming into the country, re housing market.

>>8591069
>I fetch

Isn't that some scat fetish related stuff?

>>8591242
You sure you don't mean felch?

>>8591291

idk, maybe, I'm no expert, have any interest or want to know the details. The word is similar enough that that's probably it.

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>>8588984
>Australian
lol, is the other guy Canadian?
Really now, I will always be baffled as to why moronic leftists think they get to make statements about islam or middle eastern countries despite having no actual clue about the religion itself.
I'll be nice and tell you a secret. It's a shitty death cult and it's followers are all shit.
>going crazy
rejecting third world aberrations is not 'going crazy' no one has a right to enter a country. Fucking idiot

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>>8592105
And this is coming from a dirty half-breed Iranian.

Muslims are shit.

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>>8583233
NL?

More gay is needed.

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>replying to obvious bait
Remember, /gfur/, by giving shitposters (you)'s, you only enable them to shit up the thread further. Hide their posts (or, better yet, get 4chanx and get a filter going) and post more cute homo couples.

>>8599027
Bunny boys are cute.

>>8588176
Is there a wa y for the public to abolish the electoral vote system or at least get them to fuck off?

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>>8601170
Would probably require amending the constitution, which will never happen.

Have some otters.

I've got a craving for that delicious gay booty
Show me the butts /gfur/

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>>8602320
I want to shoot loads with/inside this fella.

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>>8591227
Honestly the biggest problem with the Australian housing market is negative gearing, but that's another kettle of fish. But yeah, we've got way to many rich fuckheads coming in from China these days.

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>>8602141
>Have some otters.
Amerilards truly are the biggest retards on the world, believing a constitution is sacred and shouldnt be modernized every year lmao

Btw how is this "Hillary would get us into another war" meme going now that Drumpf started a war with Syria and probably north korea soon ;^)

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>>8603815
>politics

Kill yourself, faggot.

Have some more otters.

>>8603896
He's right you know

>>8593537
The Netherlands you moron

>>8603896
>he didn't drainnthe swamp
>he didn't ban muslims
>he didn't jail hillary
>he hasn't repealed obamacare so far
>he's not anti-syrian was after all

So... he's basically Hillary Clinton, right? Apart from the PR they're the same candidate, and had the same plans. The establishment wins again.

>>8592105
During the campaigns
>Trump being a non-interventionist is a good thing. Hillary would start war!

Now
>Trump being an interventionist is a good thing. I love that he's following Hillary Clinton's blueprints for attacking Assad's regime!

People like you are so fucking embarrassing. You're basically a cultist.

>>8604952
>Make my statement way before the missile strikes
>They happen hours and hours later
>Claim I supported them
You're pathetic. I do not support any intervention. He's made his first mistake late yesterday. You liberals are the worst scum if the Earth
>Haha you should vote for Hillary she's clearly the better choice
>Haha your candidate is acting like Hillary, see we told you you should've support Hillary
Fucking hypocritical morons. Kill yourselves because this entire mess is your fucking fault

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>>8605089
>Kill yourselves because this entire mess is your fucking fault
Drumpflets everyone

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>>8605089
Don't take the bait. The libs have literally lost at every turn. Show some patience. They're just lashing out in pathetic desperation because they have nothing but losses. He'll the only 'victory' or 'I told you so' moment they had of Trump was something Hillary would have done. And made far worse. They are literally floundering.

>>8605419
>Libs lost at every turn
>Swamp invited in the WH
>No muslim ban
>Wall still a meme
>Pipeline not made by US steel
>Failed with healthcare
>Failed in popularity
>Starts war with Syria while drumpflets kept crying about Hillary starting wars
LMAO

Keep """winning""" like that dude, it is hilarious

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>>8605448
Mhmm. Mhmm. And he was never gonna be the republican nominee right? Or win the presidency?
Stay assblasted, libcuck. Your end is inevitable and it's so fun watching you clamoring in your death throes

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>>8605536
>Talking about liberals is how drumpflets these days try to avoid reality and how stupid their choice was
Ok dumbling, admitting your failures is hard, though i understand, it is hard to admit you are so stupid you support drumpf

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>be liberal
>Screech about how you have superior morals and politics
>Policies bring nothing but rape and murder to Europe from shitskins
>Try it in America
>Haha look we're so smart
>Literally lose to a reality t.v star
I can't even breathe. Watching liberals at work is like watching a retarded puppy trying to play fetch

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dont be jelly at my fat tummy /pol/. if u work hard u can afford food to eat like me. even though i inherited all my dads fortune lel XD

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>>8603134
>prolapsed anus

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People posting political shit in a gay furry faggotry thread should be thrown off of the tallest roof in their town.

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>>8605668
>we won!
he's done none of the things he said he would.
>we won!
he's literally tearing your country apart.
>you're just salty, we won!
he's the most biased and compramised president in the history of America.
>hah you're so assblasted, we won
he's probably about to start yet another war.
>yeah but we won
you've done nothing at all to address the points being made against him. you sound like a fucking parrot.
>did I mention we won?
You deserve everything that he's going to do to you.

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Less politishits, more faggotry.

>>8606481
Ja
:D

>>8609299
Please post more dominant rabbits.

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>>8604277
>>8603815
>>8601170
>>8604952
>>8605089
>>8605448
>>8605557
>>8605942
>>8611127

Posting politics is not preferred.

However your worst crime is not posting fucking gay furries you shitlords.

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>>8611826
GAY COPS

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>>8603134
>>8606155

The only thing I don't like about that picture is the butthole. The butthole looks higher on the butt than it should be, and yeah... looks like prolapsed anus which is no thank you.

If this pic had an edit to fix the butt issue, I would like it far more.

>>8610245
Pretty nice image too bad >animal dicks

>>8612845

This desu

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>>8611826
Sorry anon...

pls forgive

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>>8606862
he was the lesser evil.

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>>8613351

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>>8613389
I'm a different anon so...

>>8613419
i like it

>>8612845
Animal dicks make things more interesting.

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>>8614014

No they don't. Your argument has now been refuted.

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>>8614353
Yes they do.

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>>8614014
I never thought I'd feel proud that I can finally get off to animal dicks.

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Penises are nice, human and animal are both good.

Except horse cock. Horses are thrash.

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>>8617773
>not liking horse dick
I'd call you a fag but that would be a bit redundant

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So in the post-apocalyptic future, what are you sucking big black horse cock for?

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>>8617915
>ywn suck an anthro horse's dick
I can only imagine how fun it is.

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>>8617842
>>8617915
>>8618329
Horse dicks are garbage, and an anthro horse the size of a human would have a proportionally small penis.

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>>8617915

Don't fraternize with the mutant.

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>>8618465
the only garbage here is your taste. Horse dick master race

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>>8619486
Literally every other type of cock is better than horse cock.

Even the goofiest and weirdest animal dicks are better than horse dong.

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>>8620687
The goofiest cock is you

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>>8622204
>horse with human cock

Better than a horse with a horse cock.

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>>8617915

Stress relief.
You and a friend are turned into horse creatures due to apocalypse. Traveling the wasteland while suck and fucking each other. You love being a slutty like mare for his zebra cock, and love his huge loads that fill you up.

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>>8623007
Why are you horsefags always so autistic?

I hope you meet the same end as Mr. Hands.

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SMOOCH

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>>8551837
You are very correct

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>>8586459
Yes, yes I do

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>>8588176
Do you understand what winning means?

>>8612008
POST MORE REIS AND MARCUS

>>8617915
Tendies, the new world currency

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>>8623643
k
>>8623656
rofl

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>it's a /pol/tards try to pretend to be nice cool people and not terrible racist fearful beings who want to push away different people episode

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>>8625196

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>>8623643
They are a loving couple.

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>>8625196
>racist
I make educated assumptions, but I give everyone the benefit of the doubt and always act politely.
>fearful
I'm afraid of some cultural and religious groups yes.

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GAY

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>>8625196
We're not terrible people. The blacks are.

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>>8625196

At least make you pictures gay furry related you obnoxious faggot /pol/ shitter.

>>8628052
>The anorexic drug addict is a drumpflet
Who would have expected that

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>>8628065

What are you even talking about? I can tell you're trying to make some sort of fallacy, but you've failed at even communicating it.

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>>8628122
Oh just laughing how the most pathetic worthless kind of people like Drumpf.

I mean it makes sense, it is mostly worthless losers who need nationalism, racism and other pointless shit so they will avoid feeling like the trash they are.

Hopefully you ll OD on drugs and make the world better by dying

>>8628169

See >>8628052

>>8628065
Wrong poster. The half Iranian dragon fag is the racist Trump fanboy.

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hand holding is nice

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>>8541685
Isn't the answer obvious?

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>>8590483
I love hyenas so much.

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>>8563511
Popular pose/situation?

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>>8625128
OwO whats this

>>8632589
Looks more like it got shamelessly copied from that souls image, I recognized it fucking immediately.

>>8633255
>Ugliest species
>Shit artist
>Femboy garbage

Kill yourself

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>>8633294
Why are you so upset anon?

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>>8633424

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>>8633256

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>>8633663
>>8633256

>>8633675
You could probably match it up even better, If I was any good at it

>>8633663
>>8633675
Nigga, nobody said it was traced.

If you aren't brain damaged you can just look at the pictures and see it's the same thing, and the poses, situation and angle are far too specific to be chalked up to coincidence.

>>8633737
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bin, will save few images tomorrow, so dont die thread!

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Anyone up for a bit of ass-archery?

>>8638198
That seems like it would be pretty painful.

>>8633256
Pretty sure the souls image came after that image. So...

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>>8628169

I'm going to bed soon so you faggots better remember to keep bumping this thread so it's still alive when I wake up.

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>>8641302

We'll probably get overrun by all the fetish threads during the night shift anyways. Worth a try though...

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>>8641211
>Politics in the faggotry thread

Fuck off kys or post gay furs

>>8641211
>Gay conservative
literally a mental illiness

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>>8625196
>Trying this hard

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>>8643409
Yeah, not wanting to import thousands of low IQ foreigners with no respect for your country who believe that it's ok to kill gays is pretty retarded, right?

>>8643409
>identity politics

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>Ameridumbs being stupid and brain dead as usual
Hopefully the new wars will kill many trash like you

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ignore and just keep the gaybois coming

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>>8643937
CUTE

Who drew it?

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>>8643409
Have fun being stabbed or thrown off rooftops by muzzies. Then the left will say
>Oh well gay men have privilege anyway so it doesn't matter
People who are gay and left wing are genuinely brain dead

>>8643589
>Conservatives are monsters, not like us tolerant liberals
>Btw I wish death upon you
Sick fuck

>>8550871
Niggas gonna die

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>>8605124
yasss kween! SLAY

>>8605124
>woman beating up a man

SJWs are retarded.

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>>8646756

To be fair, most incidents of domestic violence is the wife hitting the husband. Just nothing comes from that most the time because the woman is physically useless and the assault is just shrugged off. So a women hitting a man isn't some sort of SJW meme.

This also makes sense when you note that lesbian relationships are the most physically violent domestic relationships there are.

Just more evidence supporting the notion that gay relationships are the best.

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>>8645452
Listen I hope you don't actually consider all liberals to be sjw fucktards. That's a trend that needs to chill the fuck out

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>>8647701
It's only made worse by the fact that tumblr has the loudest online presence by far

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>>8647701
>Implying liberuls isnt an insult by trumplets these days and other triggered internet fags

>>8647876
They're literally the antithesis to sjws. They are the exact same in the way they treat other people. SJWs and Poltards are hardly any different. Treat them as subhuman scum.

>>8647177
It's also further evidence that women are shitty people who are inferior to men in every way.

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>>8647701

The word "liberal" in the US doesn't even mean the same thing anymore. You have to call yourself a classic liberal for it to have the meaning that non leftist fucks think it means... and classic liberal is closer to right wing parties in many countries nowadays.

It makes it even more newspeak-ish when you're a classic liberal in Canada.
>mfw liberal who absolutely hates the Liberal party
>mfw liberal who vastly prefers the Conservative party

>>8648195
and for that matter, any socialist policies is automatically full classical socialism. You know, the meme where the government ownes corporations. The meme where people can no longer own companies. the meme that nowhere on the planet uses. But also, theres that fucking misquote that so many people love to use from stalin. "Socialism leads to communism". Yeah Stalin would say that, he was a communist and in his eyes, communism was the end goal and socialism was a stepping stone. The entire actual quote was "Capitalism leads to socialism and socialism leads to communism".
The REAL fuckin problem is how ignorant people have fucking become. They think their casual knowledge about certain things has made them a fucking authority on the subject

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>>8647701
>notall liberals
pick a new ideology or rebrand yourself

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>>8648862
Cause that went good for Nazis.

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>>8648195
>The word "liberal" in the US doesn't even mean the same thing anymore. You have to call yourself a classic liberal for it to have the meaning that non leftist fucks think it means
Both liberals and conservatives are guilty of corrupting the word to mean almost the exact opposite of the original meaning.

Personally I think a mix of classical liberalism and social democracy would be good for my own country, but it's idiotic to think there's a single form of government that's "one size fits all". Cultural and arguably genetic differences are too great for that.

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>>8648862
you serious? why? Imagine this, theres an ideology, liberal, thats pretty much what i subscribe to. So I'm not gonna just pick another ideology. On the other hand, these SJWs have come in and is triggering the shit out of everyone, guess ill just fucking rebrand my political idology. Hey everyone, now we're the liberal prime party. Its exactly the same as before but no tumblrs allowed. You can't do that and you know it. Don't be shitty, just use your head like normal people do when they talk about politics. Where they talk to the person about their beliefs and then judge, rather than just shouting KEK or NAZI whenever liberals or conservatives come up in conversations.

I will say tho, if you want to shit on a party when theyre being shitty, go for it. Like, wow these fucking democrats in washington are fucking sucking tumblr's dick they need to fuck off. Or the meme, republicans are starting ww3 they need to fuck off.

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>>8648342
>They think their casual knowledge about certain things has made them a fucking authority on the subject

>mfw have a BSc in Economics, along with a bunch of graduate level Econ courses I just took "for fun" while trying to figure out what I want to do in life
>mfw it is a common occurrence for leftists to refuse to consider that fundamental economic formula is actually real, and isn't just political hackery

I think a lot of the times those dipshits assume that you're a political hack, is because they're just projecting their own understanding of the world upon you. They literally cannot understand that someone is not basing their opinions on whatever some fad politician is saying, and that proven math and formula back up by scientific experiments and observation must just be evil right wing politics.... and then THESE PEOPLE are the ones who constantly brag about how they are pro science and make "evidence based decisions". The brazen hypocrisy makes me want to puke.

>mfw ran out of annoyed looking faces in pictures already, so here's just a random unrelated pic I like

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>>8649046
????
the nazis never re branded, what are you talking about?

>>8649053
The problem with both parties is they are intensely globalist and have no real interest in the country they were elected to represent.
It's quite funny actually because despite them claiming to be opposites, both the democrats and GOP have intensely neo liberal policies.
We need to do some serious house cleaning to root this out desu

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>>8649096
liberal now = neo liberal
conservative now = neo conservative
call yourself a classical liberal. just do it, you have to rebrand because the ideology you currently identify with is not the doctrine that is followed by most modern liberals.
That's reality.

>>8649130

>The right isn't every bit as guilty about picking and choosing economic principles to adhere to and ignore.

I mean, theres a lot of schlock the right pushes too dude.

Alright, econ man, then what is your opinion on raising taxes. Of all people in this thread, you would surely know that as taxes are raised, relative spending power stays the same. Or the fucking day one meme of comparative advantage that trumpettes don't seem to understand. Doesn't that just trigger the shit out of you. The market literally adjusts to people's spending ability, its the great thing about capitalism.

>>8649170
I'm not sure the neo conservative or neo liberal is the most commonly subscribed to, but it definitely has the loudest, um, "fans". Definitely more common with younger folks tho.

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>>8649242
lad if you walk into a room and say "I'm a liberal" they're gonna ssume you align with the democratic party which follows neo liberal principles. sjwism is the mainstream in the party. That is the consequence of their constant shrieking and you will HAVE to deal with that because every time you vote democrat THAT is what you're voting for. More sjw politics
The republican party however is different. It used to be that originally if you vote for republican you vote for cruz, or jeb or whoever. Neo conservatives. Who are economically fairly close to neo liberals. At least when it comes to how they conduct foreign business affairs. But they don't have the sjw shit.
However there's been a split in the right. Some are now also libertarian, which is a huge departure from traditional GOP politics. And then you have Trump, who is a complete and total wild card.
So the reason why the right doesn't really get lumped in with the same politics (I mean people call them all nazis but you know what I mean) is because there's actually factional infighting that occurs on the right.
Whereas on the left you have an sjw conglomeration, united in it's hatred of whiteness and the concept of the nationstate. And then there are token classical liberals like you. You are an irrelevant minority. Which is why you must rebrand. Classical liberals are so rare and so often go unheard that you're basically on the same tier as green party people in terms of how relevant you are. I'm sorry but that's how it is.

>>8649202
>I have no concept of economics, the post
typical

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>>8649412
>No counter argument but instead, ad hominem.

Cool, guy. If you're the same dude claiming to have a BSc in Economics then you're either a liar or an idiot.

>>8649202
>I mean, theres a lot of schlock the right pushes too dude.

That's the problem with talking about economics with normies, they think math has a political position or something.

Anyways as to your question. "Raising taxes" is really a broad statement. What taxes? What tax formula? What is the goal of this tax increase? What are the incentives and disincentives you want to get, or avoid with these taxes?

Lets say we're talking about a consumption tax (sales tax, etc). This disincentivises consumer spending. People will alter their behaviour to spend less on luxuries, as not only are these luxuries making up a larger share of their income, but the fix costs like housing/clothing/food/shelter/power/etc are also making up a larger share of their income. If these consumption taxes are only for specific things (excluding "necessities", carbon tax, etc) then this disincentive to spend will only really affect these specific items, chancing consumer behaviour to be more likely to avoid these items that are specifically taxed (carbon tax), or not-disincentivise consumers from avoiding other things (healthy food).

Lets say we're talking about income tax. The disincentive here is the disincentive to work. People are less likely to be as productive and work, as they basically receiving less pay for the same amount of work. This would have less of an impact on spending, other than simply having less wealth available for luxuries to do having a smaller pay cheque. Corporate tax too.

As for the market adjusting, yes it will. However it will adjust to the new incentives and disincentives that were introduced by those taxes, which may or may not be beneficial (if there are higher consumption taxes on healthy food, or fitness related goods/services, people are more likely to go for cheaper unhealthy substitutes). Not every product is going to be able to lower their costs while still being successful in order to adapt to people having less wealth to spend.

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>>8649630

Also wtf I'm sure I attached a pic, and didn't just make this a boring wall of text when I should be posting gay furry faggots.

>>8649630
Thanks for the honest response friend. I guess if i had my way, I'd like to see corporate taxes fall a LOT and I'd like to see income taxes raised slightly, maybe a little more for the highest earners. I'd want consumption tax to stay pretty much the same.

Also I always love hearing what people have to say about Milton Freidman. Do you have any thoughts on him.

>>8649804
Full disclosure, I'm a fucking econ minor pleb but I loved it. I just ran out of money, the sadness

>>8649630
Also sorry, the goal of the tax increase would be to enable greater spending on education.

Oh shit, what do you think about universal basic income. I've got conflicting feelings about it personally. I think it is a neat idea, it's kind of similar to Friedman's tax credit idea that never went anywhere because the Nixon administration shafted him. At the same time it could have pretty negative impact on productivity unless AI is actually legit. But that's a completely different can of worms I guess.

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>>8649804

Milton Friedman is probably my favourite economist.

The funny thing is, since he's a big famous economist, leftists hate him and think he's the devil or something because he pushes so hard for economic efficiency and the like, which dumb leftists ALWAYS strawman as Scrooge McDuck fucking the poor for lulz.

Some of the things I like the most about what Milton Friedman's said, could actually be considered "left wing" (if you are trying to label economics as politics). Universal Basic Income (or negative income taxes) as a replacement for our current welfare systems, I love it. It would get rid of so many inefficiencies and outright bad incentives and disincentives that current welfare systems across the Western world produce. It would also give low wage/skilled workers 1) more bargaining power for negotiating wages and other aspects in the work place, and 2) makes it far easier for low wage/skilled workers to invest in themselves in order to gain skills so that they can be more productive (and therefore increase their potential wages). Another thing I absolutely love about him is proposing school vouchers as a way to fund education. Just like with UBI it just gets rid of so many absolutely shit incentives and disincentives with the education system.

tl;dr: Milton Friedman is my econ husbando

>>8650609
Listen man, I'm pretty fuckin far left and desu I love Friedman. You can't deny a bunch of his ideas would be fox newsed into socialism these days.

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>>8650284

Well yes, the primary goal of taxes is to raise revenue for the government. However as I had discussed, there are many other factors involved with what is *the best* way of raising taxes, that largely has to do with other societal/economic goals.

As for UBI, >>8650609 . The biggest obstacle with implementing UBI though, is that it's basically an all or none affair. If you only implement it partially, it's fucked. If you don't remove all the stuff that it's supposed to replace, you'll still have all these bad incentives and disincentives directing people's behaviour... which is the complete opposite of why you wanted to implement UBI in the first place.

Even places that are running trials for UBI have it all wrong in that case. If you're only going to give people UBI for 10 years lets say, then those people are not going to adjust their behaviour to factor in the fact that they will have this UBI long term (or even have access to it while making use of their freedom of movement around the country for work). In that case, people are just going to treat it like a series of one time lump sum payments, and it won't really change behaviours. This is really unfortunate because without a good example to point to, politicians are going to make normies think that it won't work and is not founded in good economics... even though by its very nature you cannot make some sort of small scale example work.

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LOL, what the fuck is with /pol/ discussion in a homo thread?

All I see is a retarded argument between libcucks debating their "democrats" vs "neocons" garbage while soft socialism is the actual way forward.

As in a system that might, hopefully, evolve in EU (though recent events - e.g. Brexit and their political line afterwards, stuffing Europe full of US tanks and upcoming elections - seem like liberalism is putting brakes on it) as opposed to many now-ridiculed states where socialism was forced with revolution, in desperation.

>>8643589
Single post summarising why liberals in any country whatsoever should be purged without a trial.

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>>8650682

Yeah and that's why I hate politicians and ideologies themselves. It just so happens that I think that right wing parties nowadays are just less absolutely shit than left wing parties nowadays.

As much as I think this is a shit time to live in as far as ideologies controlling everything and everyone's minds... I suppose that's been the case throughout pretty much all of history. Nothing's really changed, even if people of >current year, think that they are the wisest generation (hint: every generation thought they were special and more enlightened like this).

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>>8650864
a mixed economy part capitalist and part socialist would work well but that should be a goal to come after we reach a sufficient level of automation in society. Since socialist policies only really work in post scarcity societies

>>8650885
Yeah I feel the same way except to me the right is being the asshole. You know it's funny I used to be super conservative Republican but I had a total change of heart about two years ago. Now I mostly stay subscribed to left stuff for mostly social reasons: policies on gays, immigrants, etc. But also I think generally the right likes to way overspend on military

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>>8650885

Continuing off of this
>>8651060

Plus there's just other things that I want that the Republicans are pushing against like universal healthcare, greater funding for education, environmental protection, net neutrality. The list just goes on.

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>>8651302
>republicans hate internet rights
>the biggest supporters of SOPA and PIPA were dems
are you being dense on purpose?
>immigration
saying 'let's open the floodgates' is a retarded immigration policy
>gay rights
we already have those.
>universal health care
>I want socialism
>but I also want mass immigration
that is not economically sustainable, you can have one or the other but you can't have both.
>greater funding for education
the democrats never fund that either, and when they do it's through the federal department of education which is cancer because instead of trying to put all education under federal jurisdiction the states should be allowed to decide for themselves how to run things. Because of Obama's policies, the East Coast which has some of the best schools have been dragged down by shitty things like common core. Just a clusterfuck. It's awful.
But I am happy that you've admitted to this thread you're an irredeemable retard who gets his political positions from occupy democrats facebook posts

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>>8651060
>>8651302

I can totally see what you mean there. US political parties especially are just so arbitrary and inconsistent on a lot of those topics I find. Seems like identity politics are more important than overarching consistency on fundamental principles... which kind of result in political stances that should seem like they should be on opposite sides, but yet are on the same party. I'd guess that a big problem is that in the US, there's so much of two party stranglehold on the country that two political organizations literally have an oligopoly on power.

Strange thing is, we probably share a lot of the same social values and probably want the exact same outcomes... but differ on which party we think is best to work towards those goals. What's most fucked up about this though, is the hostility between people that subscribe to these opposing political parties... because there is SO MUCH that they have in common but yet a difference in idea of how to get to that outcome is apparently important that some people are willing to push for censorship to silence their opponents, and paint them up as evil.

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>>8651543
>implying liberals aren't literally evil and need to be PHYSICALLY REMOVED from society
lad..

>>8651421
SOPA and PIPA are dead. At least the democrats took it slow and kinda sort listened. The government is a functional organization, it behooves us all for policies to be passed slowly.

Theres more to immigration than just the syrians and muslims.

gay rights meet north carolina, kentucky, and indiana.

softcore socialism is IMO the way forward, but you can't just say that its not sustainable when its literally the most common over the pond in Europe.

Granted not a lot funding is coming from dems for education, but you have republican governors like matt beavin gutting education funding in kentucky.

Chill the fuck out man.

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>>8651637
damn nigga you edgy as fuck.

>>8651670
most common ideology*

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>>8651670
>>8651302
>greater funding for education

One thing I might address here for you. This isn't actually the outcome you want, what you actually want is a better education system, which while related to funding levels, is not the same thing. For example how I mentioned a School Voucher system, that would not be an increase in funding, but just the mechanism by which funding is allocated, and the incentives/disincentives it would change would greatly improve the system.

Also environmental protection isn't a black and white thing. For example say you are against oil pipelines for environmental reasons... well that is basically resulting in more environmental damage due to the fact that trains and trucks transporting oil are SO MUCH more environmentally risky and damaging. The oil is going to move anyways, why oppose the most environmentally sensible option?

Another big thing to take into account with the environment is marginal benefits, diminishing returns and assimilation rates, and the rate at which renewables renew themselves. The type of environmentalism that is popular among normies... I don't think they even know that these factors even exist.

>>8651421

More lax immigration does not have to mean mass immigration, and even mass immigration does not have to mean awarding citizenship and the welfare benefits of citizenship. Note I'm not arguing in favour of mass immigration, but just pointing these things out.

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>>8651670
Gay marriage is federally legal, you have no grounds to complain about anything anymore.
>softcore socialism
is only sustainable if you have very tight immigration. otherwise things become so expensive it can't be sustained.
Germany is learning that right now, as are Canada and Sweden.
>SOPA and PIPA have been shelved
>that means the dems didn't fuck up hardcore
Sorry, doesn't work that way.
>I have a single bad example of a republican governor.
Meanwhile the dems have fucked up education for everyone federally.
Your ideology is the greater evil. That's the problem. Fuck off

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>>8652051
>does not mean
>does not have to
the reality is that this is an inevitability, one that is only avoidable by cracking down hard on all immigration.
If you do not award citizenship and welfare benefits. The immigrants work in wage slave scenarios and depress wages. Like what happens right now in the agricultural industry.
If you award citizenship, you stop that problem but now they are a burden on the welfare state. It is a no win scenario.
The reason Canada or the nordic countries welfare state used to function so well is because immigrating there was actually very difficult. Lax immigration is the death knell for such a system

>>8652151
What exactly is Germany learning? Last time I checked they were quite fine.

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>>8652151
>Germany is learning that right now, as are Canada and Sweden.
>Canada

We don't have mass immigration. Other than refuges (which the level should be debatable), our immigration is really fighting strict actually.

Last I heard Trump was actually praising the Canadian immigration system, because of how it is designed with the intentions of supporting temporary shortfalls of skilled labour in the economy, and accepting rich fucks that will bring their wealth over here (as well as reuniting families). Refuge and immigration policies are two different things.

Our refuge policy is way too expensive with this recent influx from Syria, but more so because they're being handed a higher income "to help them settle in" than the average Canadian makes doing a full time job. That's not a problem with the immigration policy resulting in too much strain on the welfare system, that's just a politically motivated refuge system specifically designed for this specific case just writing massive cheques that they shouldn't be for political reasons.

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>>8652302
>The immigrants work in wage slave scenarios and depress wages. Like what happens right now in the agricultural industry.

That's only the case with this particular welfare system. For example let's pretend that the US has UBI rather than it's current system... this is now no longer a problem. Another solution to this problem would be to not let this slave class immigrate in the first place. Just because you make some immigration less restrictive doesn't mean all will be.

Think of how many barriers there are to move from one Western nation to another... if say, we had more labour mobility between USA, Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand these problems of importing a slave class wouldn't even be an issue, even though we'd be massively relaxing the restrictions on immigration.

The point is, everyone tries to paint these things in black and white, when they sure as hell aren't.

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>>8652440
>I haven't checked at all
thanks champ
>>8652481
Canada's immigration used to be very robust. Trudeu recently just decided to go with an open the floodgates strategy. At least where brown people are concerned.

>>8652601
>UBI
see, here's the problem, you're forgetting something very important. We do not exist in a post scarcity society. We do not have unlimited resources. In our current capitalist system, if you have more workers in general, the value of the worker and their collective bargaining power goes down. That's simple economics and observable economics. It depresses wages. In a welfare state, one with UBI, people would be able to leech from the system and reproduce endlessly without actually contributing to the system. Now that's fine if you have a controlled population. That is not fine when you have overpopulation, it becomes unsustainable. Look at Africa, they starve, they are given food and water. They reproduce like rabbits and overpopulate. Then they start starving again and need even more resources. It's like throwing things into a black hole. You get nothing of value, it's just a drain.
For UBI to work, you would need not only literal robots doing physical labor, but you'd have to purge a pretty large chunk of the population. The only way to avoid this is if we somehow found a way to reach into the stars and find another planet we could harvest for resources and live on. That's it. Those are your two options. Space age travel or a dystopia. Or you could accept the reality that a world order is deeply impracticable and realize there's a reason the nation state does so much better.

>>8652601
if you're the same person that posted vu06 above, you've got good taste friend.

>>8652051
granted. I would like to see higher quality education and I want it to be more accessible. I'd like to see college be free or heavily subsidized. Will Betsy DeVos deliver where others have failed though? I don't think so, I think she'll only serve to set it back farther.

I don't want mass immigration, taking on 10,000 refugees in one day would cripple us. At the same time, I think its important to afford people the option to escape a shithole country. Even Trump said that he had a change of heart when he saw the kids that were victims of the chemical attack. If you want to fight the corruption in syria but don't want to give people a lifeboat out, thats a little hypocritical.

>>8541083
that image looks too /comfy/

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TTIP or something of its kind gets passed == EU is fucked in the ass, but not in a pleasant way.

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>>8652805

Your criticisms against UBI here should be the exact same criticisms you have against the current welfare system. They both have that same effect, its just that UBI is both less expensive due to not being so complex and requiring so much more overhead and institutions managing it, as well as producing incentives that are more favourable to encouraging people to act more like how we want them to. Yes sure you'll have people that no matter what economic system they are in will be content to live in a slum, but UBI is not really any different here in this regard. The overwhelming number of people that make use of welfare services (in USA at least) only do so just for those rough patches.

>>8652946

I might have posted that.

As for anything "free", that's going to produce incentives and disincentives. There are already too many disincentives to getting training in the trades that (at least in Canada and USA), we have massive shortages of tradesmen, while we have too many university educated graduates working crap low skill jobs because they lack the skills that the economy demands. Making education free is just going to compound this problem. This is not saying that education subsidies are all bad, its just saying that the simplistic extremes made popular by political ideologies are god awful.

Immigration is not designed as a tool for international welfare. You are mixing refugee and immigration policies up. On the topic of refugee policies as a means to lower suffering in the world, you will NEVER be able to reduce that suffering by taking a handful of escapees away. A much more efficient use of resources would be to help fix the problems that are causing this suffering in the first place. Limiting yourself to looking after refugees is ignoring the cause of the problem, which will just continue to produce the same exact problem for the foreseeable future.

Also pssst, post more gay furry faggots

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>>8652946
refugees flee to the nearest neighboring country. when you travel halfway across the world, you aren't a refugee, you're a migrant. Also
>muslim
no thanks, I quite like my head attacked to my shoulders.
>Betsy
So, I guess I should let you in on a little secret. Decades ago college used to be really cheap. Because it was subsidized. The states chose to subsidize higher education. The federal government was never responsible for this. When prices rose that is entirely because every single state legislature decided higher education wasn't worth funding anymore.
In a way they're right though, because what is the current state of college? Marxist indoctrination, and for good programs most of the seats end up going to foreign students anyway. So that's a problem that's gonna need to be addressed sooner rather than later.

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>>8653484
>your criticisms should be the same toward the current welfare system
...they are... I vote to the right. I dislike welfare. I don't know what you're trying to imply.

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>>8653561

Ok just some clarification. Your argument isn't that you disagree with UBI, it's that you disagree with welfare programs entirely. An important distinction since the argument for UBI over the current mess is working with the assumption that you want a welfare system of some sort in the first place.

Are you more of an AnCap then? Or at least like some/most AnCap ideas?

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>>8653704
>disagree with welfare entirely
do not put words in my mouth. I dislike the current system because the system, combined with the current tax system encourages people to work the bare minimum. Because it is more financially sound to leech off welfare then risk getting a job that causes you to make just enough to not be eligible for welfare but not enough to buy...anything.
>are you ancap
no but their memes are really funny. Hans Herman Hoppe did have some neat ideas though, I admit

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>>8653898
>do not put words in my mouth

I have better things than words to put in mouths. I just wasn't exactly understanding your point there.

Seems like you don't like the current incentives and disincentives for the welfare system and doubt that UBI does much better. I think you're over estimating the number of people who are willing to live in slum conditions (in Western nations at least). There's not going to be a perfect system though, and UBI is just vastly superior to what we have now, and has many advantages over even an idealized and perfectly tweaked version of what we have now.

>More serious political discussion in a gay furry thread than on /pol/

>tfw no redpilled gfur bf

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>>8654230
It wouldn't be better tho. For the reasons that have been outlined above. In fact, it would be even worse than the welfare system.
What I would like to see, is less taxes on the middle class. And a graduating tax system for companies. That is to say, incentives for start up companies, but heavier taxes on really large corporations like Wal-Mart or Google. Actually the tax system in general could use a big overhaul.

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>>8654254

ikr? I was just thinking how fucked up it is that the most civil economic/political discussion I've seen on the internet in fucking years is in a gay furry porn thread, on a hidden shitpost containment board called /trash/... on 4chan. That's fucking retarded.

Also iktf

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>>8654347

I disagree with your points, and think you are overestimating that particular issue that people in Western nations would be breeding like niggers. Yes it is true that wages would go down for unskilled labour... however unskilled labour is not supposed to be something you base your life around (like leftists imply it is with their calls for increased minimum wage). These jobs are entry level jobs, which are important for people entering the work force.

Lower wages for unskilled labour (which otherwise would be restricted by the price floor of minimum wage) means that companies are able to higher more people, increasing employment rates, and giving those new workers working experience which is really fucking hard to get nowadays for people with no previous work experience.

tl;dr: I think you're concerns about UBI are too heavily weighted on the disadvantages, and not weighted heavily enough on the advantages.

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>>8654600
My concern with UBI most of all is it's being pushed by leftists who want a hemispheric government. If you want UBI to work, you need heavily restricted immigration. Understand? If you don't have that then it doesn't work.

>>8654254
/pol/ suffocates anything that goes against their circlejerk. Furries are nicer

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Politics is dumb and gay

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>>8654650

Well that goes without saying. The leftists want to destroy our civilization, we know that. Implementing strategies that have weaknesses, but rather than accounting for those weaknesses you expose and take advantage of them for ill purposes... that doesn't mean that that system is flawed, that just means that it's being used as a weapon.

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>>8655056

To add to this, a lot of leftist fucks I've seen arguing in favour of UBI, in addition to wanting more unrestricted immigration... propose retardedly high numbers for what UBI should be. Yeah sure give everyone 20k/year if you want to absolutely kill the economy by removing workers from the workplace... that would make the slum life not so slummy, and too many people would opt for it.

If the amount that UBI would give would be closer to the poverty line, perhaps under the poverty line, that does it's job while both being less expensive than our current system and achieving better results.