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>>8514407
>that realistic nibbly
10/10

>>8514384
There's plenty to show off.

>>8514637
Best girls

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Seductive Roselyn? She doesn't need to be seductive, she's already perfect!

I don't care if shes older than dirt, the fact there is wild country girl hidden under that regal facade shes wearing is hot as hell and I'd have so much fun teasing her into letting herself be herself

Wouldn't fuck her though, while tempting I doubt shes as strong as she used to be at that age so I'd setting for some loving cuddling while teasingly calling her grandma

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>>8515158
Gonna miss young Rose though, you know she had to have been wild in her prime

>>8515158
How old is she about currently? 21?

>>8515158
I bet there is a snuu snuu woman underneath her regal posteriour, same with King Adelaide.

somewhere in her late 20's (Yeah I know she should be dead of old age)

She was around 10 when Euchre impregnated Mary, and Raine is 19 according to her bio so yeah late 20's at very least

>I bet there is a snuu snuu woman underneath her regal posteriour

Pity she's probably beyond breeding age, I'd imagine she'd look dangerous while in heat

>>8515751
For someone that is the human equivalent of probably over a hundred she still has most of her red hair. I wonder if it's dyed.

>>8515867
Magic, I bet she in reality is a master mage and have solved the keidran age limit long ago.

>>8515867
Two things to consider: Elderly wolves and dogs aren't like humans in that even at extreme age they still have fur pigmentation albeit dulled due to the chemicals being in much lower quantity when produced by the follicles. Secondly the chemical responsible for red hair is Phaeomelanin, and even in humans that particular chemical continues to be produced in fair quantity even when the person is of an older age resulting in the orangish silver hair you see in many elderly folk. So yeah.... NERDGASM!

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Newest sketch, freshly posted 20 minutes ago.
Arch Mage Raine

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So when are sythe and maren going to fuck?

>>8517121
Probably gonna get revealed with a scene of Maren puking like a fountain over Sythe in the next chapter with an added implied romantic night flashback.

>>8515485
Assuming that it's the timeline that is fucked and the keidran life expectancy (21-24 at most) still stands, somewhere around 20.

>>8517121
They won't. Sythe like to tease but only because it annoys her which amuses him. Maren herself has never indicated any interest in Sythe at all.

Sure Sythe showed concern about her when she was drugged and helpless but that is only because its in his nature to care even if hes a bit of a coward. Hell for their fighting if it were Red instead of Maren and Karen knocked out I think he'd probably be just as concerned for his safety as the others.

I think at best Sythe and Maren may become begrudged friends with both their prejudices lessened by their time together. Fucking though? I can't see it happening.

>>8517490
She can't be 20 as that would have made her a year old when Eurche got Mary pregnant. She sure didn't look like a child in that flashback of Raines

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>>8517517

>>8517517

This is irrelevant.

Human women are hungry for throbbing wolf knots and feral, rutting intercourse. They have to fuck.

>>8517747
Not until Maren sees Trace with Flora, then she'll forgot about him and realize if Mr 'Hitler to Keidran' can bring himself to fuck a Tiger, maybe she can bring herself to spread her legs for a Wolf.

>>8518274
slutty

>>8517543
26, according to Tom. Euchre's 28.

He revised the upper-end Keidran lifespan to 25-30 some time last month according to one of the streams.

>>8519069
So keith will be about 35 when natani drops

>>8519069
>He revised the upper-end Keidran lifespan to 25-30 some time last month according to one of the streams.

lol, this is going to be a common theme ain't it?

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Reposting in new thread.

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>>8514407
>>8515621
Someone took you up on it
Source here: http://www.furaffinity.net/full/22826603/

>>8519760
Is that natani on the bottom?

>>8519808
Yes, Rose apparently remembered what she did during TDM and wanted to dispense punishment

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>>8519069
>26, according to Tom

Well she was pretty curvy for a 7 year old then but I guess so was Natani during the Dragon Masquerade.

The art on this is a good example of why learning to draw Anime before you understand the fundamentals is a shitty idea.

>>8519860
At what age is a keidran an adult anyway? Also natani and zen are 14 i think, does that make them the equivalent of about 35-40ish?

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>>8519860
>tfw even when Natani was 4 years younger than Flora is now, she had bigger tits

>>8519860
7 for a Keidran is somewhere around 18-22 for a Human so it still kinda fits in.

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>>8519909
Flora said shes considered an adult at 11 but its never specified when Keidran are officially an adult. Also because they are a different species they could reach maturity faster in relation to age than humans in relation to age so who knows.

Considering Flora looks like a girl in in her late teens though it raises the question to how mature a 7 year old Natani or Rose really is. Maybe mature enough to be considered adult, but not mature enough to be eligible for breeding perhaps.

>>8519965
BULLSHIT! Flora is 11 and she doesn't even look 18-22

>>8520003

2013 April Fool's suggests otherwise. It's possible Young Rose was older than what the retroactive ages made her.

In the absence of non-comment proof it's best to assume she was slightly younger than or the same age as Flora until the comic states further.

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>>8520054
What was the april fools?

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>>8520703

This. Basically the whole "Rose is Red's mother" thing. No way that would've been possible if she were too young. She was probably the equivalent of 19-22.

>>8520054
>>8520757
I'm willing to bet the reason rose is so old and still alive is the edgelord trace figured out some super primitive way of extending keidran life expectancy with dark magic but the tradeoff is she can't leave the manor
that's also what my money's on being on the third floor is whatever dark engine is keeping rose alive
which is why she made that comment about being impressed if they could remove her from the manor

>>8520768
Fem zen?

>>8521002
ye

>>8517747
Fleabags get out
REEEE

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>>8520802
>which is why she made that comment about being impressed if they could remove her from the manor

Roselyn is the Seneschal of the Legacy Estate and Trace is the Duke of Edinmire and hes been missing for months.

A Seneschal is basically on par with a Steward in their masters absence, basically in charge of their affairs until they return. In short the reason Roselyn would be impressed if the guard removed her is because they wouldn't have had the authority to. Hell the Templar themselves might have not been able to legally since only somebody higher than Trace would have been able to order her removal and with the King assassinated, Wolfs destroying villages and ivading, the other Dukes and Lords are probably busy with more important things than an elderly Snow wolf with no real authority outside keeping Traces mansion from falling apart.

>>8520802
The third floor of the estate is reserved for all illegitimate pups Trace had with Roselyn

>>8521588
trace isnt into fortune cookies

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>>8522881
Considering hes banging a Tigeress, is it really much of a leap that he might? Plus we've seen him drooling over Kat so clearly you are mistaken.

>>8522941
kat has a human cunt through all the inbreeding she's the subject of
and she's also garbage so of course trace is attracted to her, just like flora

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>>8523024
>kat has a human cunt through all the inbreeding

Well if you are going to be like that then Trace used magic to turn Roses cookie cunt into a human cunt so it'd be okay for him to bang to fill Roses womb with illegitimate pups

There problem solved

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>>8521588
Watch it be his old Templar workshop where all his doomsday plans are stored.
(And where Clovis and the Seer are hiding out)

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>>8525028
I get the sneaking suspicion that after Saria died he didn't spend too much time at the estate for two reasons

1. Rose is still there and alive, if Trace had been around a lot he likely would have killed her at some point as it doesn't take much to set him off and its clear Rose doesn't like him and isn't intimated by him (The whole quip about the rumors of his demise and how unfortunate that hes still alive)

2. Before the Kings Assassination and Wolf War, Free wolf and tiger Keidran were living in relative harmony (if not peace) with Edinmire residents. Trace was a genocidal tyrant with a hate on for all things Keidran, why would ever allow that unless he didn't and was neglecting managing his own lands to focus on the bigger picture elsewhere

I could be wrong but it just make a whole lot of sense to me that the seat of Trace's power would essential so friendly Keidran unless he barely there.

>>8525504
Actually forget #1

I forgot about Euchre who agreed to join him in the coup in exchange for sparing Mary, that deal probably extended to Rose and Raine or he had enough leverage to at least keep them safe

If not Euchre then there is Nora or the very least the fact that Saria and Rose were close which may have been enough to stay Traces hand since killing her would dishonor her memory which was addled in his mind as it was.

I'm late to Tom's Stream today. What did I miss?

>>8526405
nothing good

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>>8526405
pic related got painted and he's currently working on the Keith's First Winter one. Not sure what all he did prior

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>>8526644
>Teaching the most useless character in Group A to use magic

Might as well be teaching Natani how to knit crochet, it'd make about as much sense but then again what can you expect from a sketch which solely exists so as an excuse to have Kats bum in Natani's groin.

I wonder if what would ultimately help Keith get over his past would be if he saw a vision of his parents from Basitin heaven, and his father is like "All is forgiven, son. We'll all be together again someday."

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>It comes up in the stream that Keith has the same fur color as his mother
>Tom somehow spins this into Keith getting genderbent, sent back in time, gets amnesia, meets Cronelius, and becomes his own mother

As horrifying the implications are, I almost want to see a mini comic page of this

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>>8527822
Phillip J Fry would scream at this

>adrakist trace is getting colored

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Errant thought
The East Basitin region is segregated by gender with males and females living in separate districts, right? So how were Cathleen and Cornelius able to stick around each other so much? Was she illegally hiding out in his house or something?

>>8529112
they're only not allowed with each other after curfew

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>>8529112
With Keith's mom being a Western Basitin I wouldn't be surprised if she persuaded her husband into discretely bending the rules on occasion.

Is Tom going for some kind of marathon record with today's stream? Did he like pop an adderall or something today?

>>8530456
>tom's been streaming for 10 hours

>>8530502
I slept all afternoon and most of the evening so I'm glad I was at least able to watch some of it.

>>8526930
why would an airhead have any propensity to cast magic anyways

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>>8526930
Curious thoughts: has Natani ever even shown attraction towards girls? Kat is basically an omnisexual virgin who is just desperate to have someone love her in a romantic way, but so far as I can recall Nat is basically Keithsexual. Her reactions to Kat have generally been ones of confusion and cluelessness rather than being flustered.

It's like even though Natani wants to be a guy, she's still "one of the girls" and doesn't feel any differently about contact or closeness with the same sex than any other straight girl would. I guarantee you that if a male character ended up in any of the compromising positions with Kat that Natani has found herself in, they'd have luminescent blush all over their face, but Natani gives no such reaction and just shrugs it off.

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>>8531465
not explicitly stated that she's been attracted to chicks before but here's a drunk natani boasting/flirting to some random bar wolf bimbo

>>8531465
She's blushing in that image

>>8531561
you'd be pretty flustered if you were bucknaked and confused and then your also completely naked friend jumped on you

>>8531465
why are KAT'S EYES SO FAR APART FUCK

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throwback to that time maddie creamed her jeans watching keith beat up her CO

>>8531641
Ten generations of inbreeding

>>8531627
Nah natani is having to resist the urge to fuck her then and there with a strap on

>>8531764
natani doesnt go after thots anon
she goes after femboi twinks

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>>8531561
Outer-cheek blush, not center-of-the-face blush.

>>8531936
>those tail erections

>>8531930
But kat is a virgin
At least until they get to a keidran town and she throws herself at all the men in desperation

>>8532384
erect tails are qt :3c

>>8532384
>that ahn~ by natani

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>>8531641
>>8531682
please do not bully Kat

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>>8532384
Soon Keith will have full-on access to those luscious wolfgirl boobs and no tweedy little eunich will be able to stop him.

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>>8532784
>they get interrupted just before they can get it on

>>8532884
>natani's straddling keith under the covers
>zen busts in mentally yelling that the guards are arresting them for no reason and they need help

>>8532784
>keith finishes in 20 seconds and stammers out an apology
>natani rolls off of him and wordlessly goes to find a room on the other side of the mansion
>a teary eyed keith starts looking for some sturdy rope

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>>8532987
Twist ending: Natani ends up cumming pre-maturely, and Keith is all like "should I keep going or what?"

>>8532987
>Keith rocks her world
>most cuddly lovemaking in the mansion
>Kat and Rose entranced by lovesounds and joins in
>everyone turns preggo

>>8533244
>kat tries to join in
>everybody collectively throws her out a window straight into a dumpster
>eric gives up looking for her after 15 minutes

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>>8533255

>>8533255
>>8533273
Easy now.
The stream was apparently really long, anyone got screenshots?

Also...
>everyone in room turns love making focus on Kat
>kat gets sexed into the nth dimension
>epic cute cuddlyness afterwards

>>8533244
>>everyone turns preggo
>even kat and reni
>nobody can go adventuring while pregnant or caring for cubs
>we get another 8 years without a change of scenery
>the mansion is the new boat

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why are there so many pregnancy fags here

>>8533386
Eh I only like the knocking-up part of it and all the feelings/shock that go along with it, the pregnancy bump is strictly a turn off

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>>8533386
Honestly, I thought it was just me though
>>8533303
>>8533358
has proven otherwise. As for why we're here, well, Flora IS pregnant so it's a bit of a draw for some

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>tfw no art of seraphina sexually worshiping wrinry

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>>8532987
>Not Natani encouraging him

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>>8533255

>kat tries to join in
>everybody collectively throws her out a window straight into a dumpster
>eric gives up looking for her after 15 minutes

>>8533558
I admit I am a sucker for those cute small tubby baby bellys, not the giant macro ones though.

>>8533303
Colour streams have a tendency to last for a really long time.

Images coloured were Mage Raine, Awoo, Nat and Kat, Keiser Family and Adrakist Trace. Standard number.

>>8533752
If she's already experienced maybe, but she isnt and probably will be floundering about just as awkwardly as keith

Anyone remember Vehra? She only appeared in I think 3 pages and we've yet to see her in present time. It's a shame too because she is pretty attractive.

>>8534127
was she the brain-dead basitin slave?

>>8532715
Please do pick on worst girl

>>8534287
Yeah

>>8534330
I'd still put a baby in her

>>8534330
At least Kat has useful skills and does actually contribute to the group other than sex appeal unlike Flora. Hell the only useful skill Flora even had to the gang was bring bilingual which even then got quickly obsolete with Keith and him knowing 3 languages. Flora is the worst girl and only reason I can think of people saying otherwise is because they have sexual fantasies of her.

>>8534649
You can try. Lots if land but none able to sustain the crops.

>>8534683
I'm sure reni can make her fertile with magic

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>>8534673
>At least Kat has useful skills

Like what? Whoring, sewing and cooking?

Flora contributes more by sheer fact she grounds Trace and acts as his guide along with Keith in a world he doesn't remember. She also acts somewhat as his conscience either directly or indirectly (when shes hurt by something Trace does Keith will step in and set him straight). Without her around Trace likely would have went insane four times over and killed everybody by now.

What has Kat done? She convinced Eric to take the group to the Basitin Isles but not because she emphasized with them but because she wanted to spend time with Eric. She butted in on Trace and Flora more than once and not on orders either. Shes trying to butt in now on Natani and Keith and doesn't realize shes being inappropriate. She made an outfit for Natani but only because she wanted to lash out at Eric for something he didn't even realize he did. She stuck with Natani when she was in a coma sure but the moment Keith was away she was asking Natani if she'd consider her as a possible girlfriend. About the only real contributions shes made to the party for non-selfish reasons was standing up to Eric concerning Mike and Evals, and offering an ear to Natani before she got inappropriate with it.

>Flora is the worst girl
Not saying shes best but she is important to the group where Kat is not. She could leave the story right now and nothing really would change, remove Flora however you are basically removing Trace's only reason to remain a good person.

> I can think of people saying otherwise is because they have sexual fantasies of her
I'm here for the canines, not the felines

>>8535803
Oh and forgot to mention that she also stuck with Natani when the ship was burning even though she knew she couldn't do much and could die if she stayed. I have to admit that even if I don't like Kat, that still took courage which we rarely see from her (the only other two times we saw it was with Roderick and her standing up to Eric on behalf of Mike and Evals)

>>8535803
What is this autism.

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>>8536412
A sperg that really doesn't like Kat and seems to (incorrectly) assume his views are universal

>>8536412
>>8537044
His views are the majority.
Katfags are the worst

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>>8537298
Kat may not be best girl but I still like her.

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>>8537298
>it's another "anon changes his IP so he can pretend that more than one person cares enough about the comic to have this deep of a hate for Kat" episode

>>8537489
Now THIS is autism

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>>8537489
Also I don't hate Kat, I just don't like Kat. What I do though are people who act like shes the most important character in the entire comic because they have a hard on for her.

There are no perfect characters in the comic, everybody has flaws from Adelaide to Zen

>>8537814
is there a sketch version of this?
Because I think this needs a pair of bewbs, and I can paste on a pair like I have done before.

>>8537814
Don't you pull that shit, you've been bitching about Kat the past few threads.
No one "thinks shes the most important character" you're just looking for a retroactive justification after realizing how autistic you're being.

>>8538274
boys cant have boobs

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>>8538983
>Don't you pull that shit, you've been bitching about Kat the past few threads.

Only because you've been fanboying and white knighting for Kat nonstop the past few threads. If you can't handle criticism of your waifu then stop making blanket statements about her which beg for a response and/or refutation. If you didn't I'd have nothing to respond to.

>No one "thinks shes the most important character"

Clearly someone does in saying that Kat has contributed more than Flora which is idiotic as without Flora there would be no story.

>you're just looking for a retroactive justification after realizing how autistic you're being

Says the autist who gets all flustered whenever anybody so much as hints at criticism of your waifu, thinking its all the work of one guy. Hate to break it to you, I'm not alone in disliking Kat.

>>8538983
I love how I woke up to the guy who was sperging over me hating the worst character went on another rant at a different anon accusing him of being me again

>>8537489
Nope, in fact the only other anti-kat post i've made is >>8531682
which was more of a joke than actual character bashing. I don't even feel as strongly about kathrin as some other anons, but she's objectively a pretty poor character.

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>>8539398
>the entire story revolves around some bimbo tiger

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>>8539469
>the entire story revolves around some bimbo sex slave

>>8539469
are you retarded?
if trace and flora weren't in the comic nothing would've happened
keith would still be going around looking for trace
natani would never join the group
sythe would never meet group B and they'd all probably end up wiped out when their village got attacked

>>8539483
thats a whole lot of bullshit youre extrapolating, anon. there would be a story without flora, because she isnt significant. shes some taboo tail for trace to dick because he doesnt feel power hungry now that he grew another chromosome. literally anything with a heartbeat and a hole in it could replace flora.

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>>8539388
I beg to differ.
GENTLEMEN! BEHOLD!
My prevoius edits of putting bewbz on something.

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>>8539469
1. Shes not a bimbo, she'd need tits for that
2. Sad thing is, it sort of does. Flora is the reason group A even exists as if she never met with Trace the beginning he wouldn't have gone into town (since he didn't even know there was one) to meet Keith and Natani wouldn't have been hired to kill him and take back Flora, Flora is the reason they are currently in Edinmire since its all so they can reach Lyn'Knoll, Flora is the reason Trace either hasn't been capture by the Templar or hasn't gone insane, and Flora is the reason Kat, Mike, and Evals are now Free (least once Trace finalizes the deal). She maybe a shit character too but her importance to the story is clear.

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>anons arguing over the characterization of a character in a infamously poorly written web comic
Every time.

>>8539599
It's a hobby.

>>8539578
That isn't include Sythe in the equation as well, since without Flora there'd be no Sythe which means no group B

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>>8539599
we can talk about jack again if you want

>>8539599
>I'm afraid of stating my opinions on an anonymous board so instead I'll act like I'm completely above it

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>>8539689
I still have some sort of Stockholm Sydrome-esque nostalgia for Jack. I need to re-read it one of these days, shit was wild.

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>>8539742
I did state my opinion. I think arguing about lore that even fucking Tom himself can't keep straight is retarded.
If you want my opinion on Kat, it's that I want to stick my penis inside her because she's got a 10/10 ass.

>>8539767
With me it was train-wreck syndrome. I stuck on just to see where it'd eventually go off the rails completely... sadly what caused it to had nothing to do with the comic but its perverted Author.

Either way most of my nostalgia for Jack actually had to do with its forums rather then the comic itself. Amazingly me criticizing the hell out of it, reduxing comics, and even criticizing Dave directly there didn't get me banned. Criticizing Arte though.... yeah don't fuck with the superadmins

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>>8539833
She doesn't look Canine enough for my tastes, maybe if I rolled her in chocolate powder or got a massage first I'd consider it

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>>8539882
If I were there I'd be hiding behind the closest boulder. Yes shes naturally gifted due to her parents, but didn't she say she was also inexperienced?

I guess practice builds experience..... but I wouldn't want to anywhere near her when she does.

>>8539512
If Trace and Flora were taken out of the comic then maybe the comic would get better and the story more enjoyable. I do think the rest of group A as well as Group B can carry the rest of the story just fine without the two main leads.

>>8539483
Wasn't that Dany's story at the start of the first season of Game of Thrones? Look at where she is after season 6.

>>8540049
that's the worst comparison you could make
dany's gotten progressively worse to the point of being the most boring cutaways in the show
nobody gives a fuck about the dragon slut

>>8539767
for what it was i enjoyed it. i like jack as a character though, and thats what kept me going through it.

>>8539855
much of it wasnt very well thought out or organized, so calling it a trainwreck is pretty accurate. the closest thing to a plot (if you could call it that) were the cameos of irrelevant characters from arc to arc.

>>8540066
Some people like that kind of story. It is about woman empowerment it something like that. But think of it like this, still better than Dorne season 5!

>>8540032
That is like saying you could remove Captain Kirk and Spock from Star Trek and still have a show. While technically true, it'd be the same Star Trek but something completely different.

The same is true of Two Kinds, you remove Trace and Flora then it all falls apart. Keith is only still in the story because he wants to support Trace and Flora, Natani is there because of Keith and her orders to spy on Trace. And Group B is heading to Edinmire to reunite with Trace. Futhermore without Trace Eric has no deal therefore Mike and Evals remain slaves.

>>8540076
>i like jack as a character though
Same t b h. Despite all the shit that I and others give Jack the comic, the character himself was actually pretty interesting.

>>8540093
I'm of the opinion Danny is going to go insane and become a villain, she wouldn't be the first Targaryen to start off as a benevolent ruler only to turn into a homicidal tyrant once they got a taste of power

>>8539533
But anon thats gay

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>>8540244
Indeed it is. Have some more bewbz I made.

Also, I find the lack of Seductive Rose pics in this thread much sad inducing.

>>8540453
Face needs to be feminized

>>8540453
But if you like boobs why put them on boys when there are tons of acceptable female characters already in the comic?

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>>8540838
As a way to validate their belief they aren't gay for Keith

>>8539599
This is what happens when people can't accept the "guilty" part of their guilty pleasure.

>>8540938
And it's not like there's no female Basitin waifu-bait to choose from. >>8514637

>>8540235
And that kind of stuff is what makes her story inretesting despite being among the weaker plot lines in the overall story. You see her rise to power from a hopeless situation to basically being among the biggest players in the show. It is also interesting to see her struggle between trying yo be a benevolent ruler and also wants to harshly punish those against her.

What I was hoping to see from Kat though probably won't happen is her increasing desire for independence and see what happens when she is no longer with Eric.

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>>8541040
also vehra

>>8540117
Fuck then I guess we are still stuck with those characters. I don't mind the reasoning behind their importance but I really wish that the characters themselves are more interesting so that they can remain interesting in the story because they are enjoyable to read rather than they must be in it because plot demands it.

>>8541067
OK the whole line between anime eyes for humans vs actual slit pupals the anthropology races have is very blurted now.

>>8541067
If you are into girls with severe brain damage

>>8541350
I mean, clearly people here are
[youcan(not)spoiler]look at all the katfags[/youcan(not)spoiler]

>>8541350
>not wanting to be in a platonic caring relationship with a heavily disabled basitin

>>8541432
Platonic yes
Romantic/Sexual no.

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>>8539988
I guess this is a what-if situation where her mother actually trained her rather than just leaving her in an attic all her childhood (poor girl needs a hug).

>>8541095
I think ultimately Kat and Eric will end up together, but not until and unless Eric goes through some kind of redemptive arc. Ultimately his arc was a demonstration that there's no such thing as a good slave owner, and until he makes amends for his transgressions he and Kat can't be together.

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>>8541350

>>8542487
Well until it happens I'm not going to forgive him. What he did to Evals was evil, showed he didn't care one iota about him beyond being his property and if he did care then that actually makes what he did worse.

>>8542235
>maddie(?) dressed as randy savage
for what purpose

>>8542547
You're just jealous that the high functioning people on the autism scale are living better lives than you.

>>8543605
But I am on the high-functioning autism scale.

>>8542836
>maddie's nickname is Madness
>she's wearing a macho madness costume

>>8543634
You're confirm Autist then?

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Can we please stop fanning this flame war? We're almost 200 posts in and the bulk of it is just autistic shitposting. Arguing about it isn't going to change either side's mind, so just replying and feeding it Gonna bump this from page 10 once, the rest is on you

>>8542235
Best girl

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>>8548483
>Can we please stop fanning this flame war? We're almost 200 posts in and the bulk of it is just autistic shitposting. Arguing about it isn't going to change either side's mind, so just replying and feeding it Gonna bump this from page 10 once, the rest is on you

How about you take your own advice. Nobody has talked about SkanKat for a few hours now and the last person that did was ignored save for an image response indicating that its not something the other person wanted to really touch on.

You telling people to stop it right now is like walking onto a battlefield during a ceasefire, unslinging a rifle and firing shots past the enemy commanders head while screaming 'stop waging war on us!'. You are basically begging for the flamewar to become hot again.

I bet you are the same autistic fag from before who can't let criticism of Kat go. If you are and you really want it to stop than stop replying, that includes requests to stop criticizing your waifu as thats an invitation to criticize your waifu on forums such as these.

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>>8548501
Maddie still has a lot to prove. She's got a quick wit, is good a ducking people, and has a hell of a throwing arm considering she tossed Keith while airborne herself. Beyond that she needs to do quite a bit to beat out Natani. If you are saying shes best girl because of her body then ewww, you're cub molesting pervert!

>>8549316
>best personality
>stronger than natani probably
>a lieutenant at the age of 16+
>capable of combat and scouting

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>>8549316
Maddie is a teenager though. It's not that weird that people want to fuck her. She's old enough to make her panties soggy watching two men fight.

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>>8549360
>best personality

What personality? Shes a bit of an enigma, acting one way one moment and completely different the next depending on the situation. She's bubbly and immature universally but beyond that we don't know which of the personalities are really hers and which are just part of another ruse.

>stronger than natani probably
Doubtful, even as a Basitin shes still a kid while Natani is an adult who trains her body as one of her hobbies

>a lieutenant at the age of 16+
Nice Headcanon to justify your pedophilia, she said she was 13 and until the comic says otherwise there is no reason to assume she lied. Being a lieutenant does not mean shes older than she seems. Its a low rank and Basitins do allow young teens into their military as indicated by the fact Keith was entering the military before he got banished and would have been in sooner had his mother not held him back.

>capable of combat and scouting
Considering position then scouting is a given, but combat? Shes already shown she prefers to use her head rather than sword, which isn't a bad thing.

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>>8549554
>Doubtful, even as a Basitin shes still a kid while Natani is an adult who trains her body as one of her hobbies
yet she managed to throw keith midair
and keith having twice the muscle density of a human/keidran would make him way heavier than any of the other current party members

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>>8549615
Considering Tom has drawn some rather suggestive art of her before her character was even fleshed out (pic related), can you really blame him for remaining vague as to her true age? Hes keeping his ass covered.

Also

1. Shes smiling because shes been trusted, that doesn't mean everything she said was a lie. She could have mixed truth with lies, after all the best lies are ones which include the truth

2. Even if she was lying about her age that doesn't mean she still isn't a minor. Saying shes 16+ is completely baseless

3. There was no point in highlighting the words "Her child-like appearance" as those words would still be appropriate even if she were 13, read the rest of the paragraph. The context still fits.


Again until the comic says otherwise there is nor reason to assume she is older that she said she was.

>>8549767
>There was no point in highlighting the words "Her child-like appearance" as those words would still be appropriate even if she were 13
>you've fallen for the ruse that is my childlike appearance when in fact I am actually: a child
WHAT A MASTER OF DECEPTION

>>8549767
and clearly she played up the child act for flora because she's pregnant and overflowing with maternal instinct, and not to mention one of the dumbest members of the cast

>>8549759
Doesn't mean shes stronger than Natani especially since Keith has had a lot of trouble overpowering her in the past without fighting dirty himself. The point is, Maddie is still young and doesn't train like Natani does as such its doubtful she is stronger.

Furthermore we don't know how strong Basitin women are in comparison to Keidran women, Basitins appear far more sexually dymorphic then Forest Wolfs are (ie while a Keidran male is half as strong as a Basitin male that doesn't mean a Keidran female is half as strong as a Basitin female)

>>8549804
You obtuse philistine! Learn english, child-like appearance doesn't mean shes not a child, the context applies whether its true or false.

>>8549880
No you are assuming that detail was played up, the detail which was played up was Erics behavior towards her, that doesn't mean she was also lying about her age.

>>8549938
but what's the advantage of looking like a child if you actually are a frail little child and not a developed young adult with the strength of your age crammed in the frame of a child

>>8549972
she's trying to make eric look like a pedo in front of trace and flora, playing into her "age" and flora's maternal instinct to defend the "young"

>>8549983
>but what's the advantage of looking like a child if you actually are a frail little child and not a developed young adult with the strength of your age crammed in the frame of a child

Did you read the bio that you showed me? That danger is in underestimating her ability based on her appearance. Basitins are not frail and nor are their youths, if they were then wouldn't be allowed in the military. You can repeat that shes a young adult until you are blue in the face, until Tom or the comic says otherwise there is zero reason to assume that she is anything but a minor.

>she's trying to make eric look like a pedo in front of trace and flora, playing into her "age" and flora's maternal instinct to defend the "young"

And this is a refutation why? Again her doing that to Eric doesn't mean she was lying about her age, she could have been using her age to sell the lie. There in reason to assume she lied about her age, or if she was lying about her age that she isn't a minor. Saying shes an adult is completely baseless, even if she lied about being 13 there is no evidence shes that mature.

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>>8550201
definitely looks and acts like a kid

>>8550310
Yes pointing to Maddie as she appeared over eight years ago with a completely different personality having not yet been chosen to be a regular in the comic nor having been fully fleshed out as a character is real compelling evidence that shes a full fledged adult

>>8550455
I'm glad you agree

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>>8550507
You know what, fuck it. Just keep being pedo scum, I don't care anymore.

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>>8550534
>guy talking about his attraction to what he perceives as an adult and states her mature behaviour as reasoning why
>still called a pedo

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>>8550626
>guy who went into great detail to point out her 'child like appearance' talking about his attraction to a character who looks like a child and whose age is unknown.

Yeah I'm totally comfortable calling him a pedo. As to her being mature? Where? Here >>8550310, as a pointed out Madelyn at this point in the comic had a completely different personality then what we got when she made her appearance on Erics ship, hell she even looked different. So different in behavior at least as they look like two separate characters. That is because Madelyn wasn't originally intended to continue on as a regular, that decision came a few years later and required Tom to flesh her out, in doing so he completely changed her down to how she acts and her appearance to look younger than she did on the Basitin Isles.

>>8550772
>as a pointed out Madelyn at this point in the comic had a completely different personality then what we got when she made her appearance on Erics ship,
except when the situation called for it (being when they encountered the bounty hunters in edinmire) she slipped back into her island/normal serious personality instantaneously
totally a kid's behaviour right there

>>8550827
>except when the situation called for it (being when they encountered the bounty hunters in edinmire) she slipped back into her island/normal serious personality instantaneously totally a kid's behaviour right there

She is a soldier you know, focusing in a fight doesn't mean she isn't still immature, heck look at her exchange between herself and the mercenary, its still very different than how she acted on Isles

>>8550868
show me a child soldier that can instantly snap into battlemode before an enemy even appears

>>8550961
Are you talking about when she sensed deception? Did you forget what her position in the military is? Shes been literally trained for that very purpose, deception = threat therefore trigger

>>8550961
Also I think its worth pointing out that Madelyn is a Basitin, not a human. Given their genetic predispositions and their societies norm of training them for the military while they are young I think its a fair assumption that we shouldn't expect Madelyn to act like you'd expect a human child her age if she is a minor

>>8551115
but even warrior societies in real life only ever sent out youngteen soldiers in the most dire circumstances
what dire circumstance is spying on the ambassador

>>8551144
Madelyn isn't even supposed to be there, she essentially went AWOL to follow Keith like a puppy, Adeliade at very least didn't approve it.

Also deception towards Keith would be seen as a threat especially when the person how is being deceptive is trying to lure him somewhere secluded. Can you really blame her for having her Basitin sense triggered.

Anyway good discussion, I'm heading to bed.

I retract the pedo statement for sake of arguement, but I still find it creepy as fuck to find someone possibly could be a child sexually attractive. Whether she is or not lets agree to disagree. Good night folks.

>>8551328
what an equivocal ending to this debate

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>>8549767

Your pic related is an edit. The original was of Kat. Even the filename in your pic should've given you a clue.

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>>8552168
That butt has gotten more round over the years

>>8550772
Have you considered that Madelyn acts differently on the boat because she wants the team to think she's younger than she really is?

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>decide I will finally catch up on Twokinds and read it from the start
>3 sleepless nights later I'm on page 900

This is my life now I guess.

>>8552331
Kat literally is for sexual.

Are there any pages where maddy and keith or lynn stand right next to each other? I'm curious what the height difference is between her, supposedly a child and the adults.

>>8552509
Maddie and Lynn are both shorter than Keith, though Maddie more so.

>>8552465
Considering the teams already met her on the Basitin Isles and already got a sense of what she was like there, that whole notion of acting completely different like they don't know her yet doesn't make much sense.

>>8552168
It did and I wasn't trying to trick people either which is why I left the filename intact. I posted (pic related) because it was a suggestive pic of maddie as she appeared on the Isles during her early design, not because I thought it was drawn by Tom.

>>8552492
well she'd be a shitty bred sex slave if she wasn't, hell even Eric knew which is why he allowed her to give 'special massages' using every part of her body

>>8552331
Tom has gotten better with woman's curves. Part of the fun of twokinds has been watching his art style evolve overtime both the mundane and sexual

>>8537814
>you will never have abs like alarics

>>8552775
It's especially dramatic when reading the comic in a marathon session starting from page 1. It starts out looking like some kid's Naruto fan comic and then somewhere around 2009 his art starts looking a lot more professional, and it keeps going until he reaches where he is today.

>>8554008
Was he gay for Keith?

>>8552664
Humans and Keidran can barely tell one Basitin from another anyway.

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>>8554274
In-comic it's deliberately left ambiguous. Non-canon and April Fools pieces is yes

>>8552775
He's especially improved with women's asses. They used to be fairly flat and unexciting from the side, but now he gives them glorious plump love pillows.

>>8554282
There is a problem with your logic. Keith is there, furthermore she told them her name, if she wanted to pass herself off as somebody else than she would have used an alias.

>>8554517
Keith already knows who she is and that she's manipulating everyone with the cute little girl routine, but he probably knows everyone is going to fall for it anyway so there's no point in complaining. So far as he knows Maddie is just there to spy on him so he doesn't really care unless she does things to ruin his life.

So I was thinking about the East Basitin Islands and I think they are a bit of a satire of Jewish and Asian culture, both of which Tom has in his family tree. Both are known for rigid adherence to traditions, and Asian culture is often stereotyped with high-expectations from parents and conformity. The Basitin obsession with law is where the Jewish part comes in. Jewish tradition incorporates lots of so-called "fence laws" that were put in place as minor no-nos to deter Jews from violating actual Levitical laws, but at some point the priesthood decided these "fence laws" were just as important as the original laws, and then built new fence laws around those. Eventually it became a big autistic mess that no-one but the most pious of followers can make sense of, and the purpose of the original laws were largely forgotten. This is a large part of why so much Jewish comedy involves complaining about little annoyances that everyone puts up with but never questions, because that is Jewish culture in a nutshell.

What made me think about this was Keith's assertion that the Basitin leaders had made a religion out of following laws without ever questioning them. That is probably Tom's criticism of his own experiences involving certain Jewish customs and rules.

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>>8554544
>Keith already knows who she is and that she's manipulating everyone

Unless its not a routine and she really is a little girl, a highly manipulative one but a girl none the less. Trace, Natani, and Keith had met her already on the Isles, if shes trying to pass herself off as being someone else or completely different shes doing a shit job if shes a spy as that would only raise their characters suspicions not lessen them.

The more sensible explanation is that the Maddie we saw on the Isles was an early version before Tom had decided to make her into a fully fledged supporting character requiring more caricature then she would have needed if she remained a throw away background character whose only function is to advance the plot.

>but he probably knows everyone is going to fall for it anyway so there's no point in complaining

That makes even less sense, why would Keith allow Maddie to act falsely around his friends, two of which already know her and can't have forgotten what she was like on the Isles (it was only a few weeks ago from their perspective), furthermore what does Keith gain by allowing Maddie to essentially sow seeds of conflict around him for seemingly no reason

>So far as he knows Maddie is just there to spy on him so he doesn't really care unless she does things to ruin his life.

She isn't there to spy on him though, shes not even supposed to be there, shes AWOL abandoning her post to follow Keith like a puppy or a kid chasing their hero in hopes of becoming their sidekick.

Also driving a wedge between your friends and the captain of the ship you are currently chartering for no reason isn't potentially fucking his life up? What if Eric retaliated against the baseless accusations against him, tossed them all on a lifeboat and sent them adrift? We all know Eric can become a ruthless asshole if pissed off, Maddie was just playing a sadistic and pointless game because SHES A CHILD, and this time I'm not being literal.

>>8554821
Two other things you forgot Lynn is there, Maddie being the Kings daughter makes it highly likely Lynn knows everything that needs to be known about her because that is literally his job. Secondly Maddie maybe the the Kings daughter but Keith vastly outranks Maddie and Basitins are genetically dispositioned to follow their superiors orders. In short Keith could order her to do anything and she'd be compelled to obey. We saw what resisting orders did to Keith, a half eastern Basitin, imagine what it'd do to a full eastern Basitin.

>>8554821
Keith doesn't know Maddie made that accusation about Eric. If he did he'd surely want to get to the bottom of it, but he probably would trust Eric's reputation more than Maddie's if he knows her to be a manipulator.

If Maddie has been spying on the ship, we would likely know that Eric is on thin ice with Flora due to his abusing of Evals and stubbornness about letting Trace buy their freedom. She also would have known that Eric is a pervert and a furry. She was preemptively driving a wedge between Flora and Eric because she rightly predicted that it would push Flora to her side if she needed someone to protect her from being punished for stowing away, nearly burning the ship down, and stirring up a bunch of unnecessary drama between Eric and his slaves.

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>>8554939
Anything, you say?

>>8555049
I don't think Keith ordering Maddie to give him head or spread her legs for him would be a legal order in her mind, and if she doesn't believe the order is legal it probably wouldn't trigger her instincts to obey

>>8555020
Only it was completely unnecessary, hell her stowing away on the ship was unnecessary. All she had to do was tell Keith that she'd be assigned to him before anybody had a chance to question it and she could have walked right onto the ship, no muss and no fuss. What is Eric going to do about it? The Basitin's are holding his ship, he picks a fight with them they may not let him leave, so why risk it.

She also could went with all sorts of easier stories which wouldn't have driven a wedge between passangers and the captain, why pick one which would guarantee the ire of the Captain who she already has a dangerous relationship already. At best she was making a tense situation even worse even with new allies. Plus small ship, not exactly a large number of people on it... how long would she really expect the lie to not be found out?

>>8555020
why would a prudish basitin trust a reputed slaver and pervert over another basitin

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>natani's howl is all funky and out of tune
2cute

>>8556557
>>natani's howl is all funky and out of tune

Howls are pretty distinct amongst wolves conveying all sorts of information, it is how wolves communicate with other pack members when they are separated after all. Natani tries to pass herself off as a guy, my guess is if she used her natural howl that it'd pretty much advertise to every wolf in ear shot that shes most definitely a chick so she tries to make it sound deeper or whatever but ends up ruining it in the process

>>8556557
>natani's howl is all funky and out of tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTpBcHOO_Nk

>>8557050
shame wolves are one natures apex killing machines, I want to give that wolf a belly rub but doing do would probably result in me having my jugular ripped out

>>8557365
nah, theys all habituated captives

>>8557525
That doesn't mean they are going to allow some human stranger to walk up to them while resting and scratch their belly, you'd at very least get mauled

>>8557661
worth

>>8555190
Maddie wasn't even supposed to be on the ship in the first place. Either it was a case of hero-worship gone too far, or she is pushing some kind of secret agenda, but the fact of the matter is that she's resorted to deception to get onto the boat and used more deception to avoid being locked away in the brig.

>>8556375
Eric is a lot of things but one thing he's never shown himself to be is dishonest. He's probably the most forward person in the whole comic in regards to what he's thinking and what his intentions are. Maddie on the other hand is a sneak and a manipulator, and Keith probably knows at least this much.

>>8557050
I've heard my dog make noises like this.

>>8556557
She's a female wolf trying to sound like a male wolf, hence out of tune.

>>8556557
I want to punch that arrogant look off that slutty blonde wolf's face

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It's really a shame that Natani didn't have more time to spend with King Adelaide. I think a lot of her problems stem from the fact that she's never had a good female role model in her life due to growing up in wolf culture, and the king is pretty much exactly the person she should be looking up to for inspiration since she's pretty much everything Natani is except she has it all together.

Natani's problem really boils down to the fact that she has both a "girlish" side and a "boyish" side, and rather than be comfortable exploring who she really is, her boyish side feels the need to dominate and suppress her femininity. This is a problem, because numerous times Natani has been shown to actually enjoy "girly" things, but she rarely lets herself because she doesn't want to acknowledge that part of herself. Maintaining the manly facade has come at the cost of denying not just her body but a fundamental part of her own personality, and doing this is keeping her from being happy. She can never be herself until she acknowledges both sides of her personality instead of pretending that only one exists.

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>>8559163

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>>8559203
Every time Natani has encountered something girly, she seems to go through a kind of split personality reaction. She is both fascinated by it and terrified of being fascinated by it. It's no wonder she's so up-tight, given that she mentally punishes herself for liking things that are perfectly natural for her to like.

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>>8558758
>and used more deception to avoid being locked away in the brig

Well that didn't work out too well at all as she still ended up in the brig anyway. Either way it didn't seem like the brig was that much of issue for her cause she broke out that same night even when Eric doubled the locks.

>Maddie wasn't even supposed to be on the ship in the first place

I know that, I argued that myself. What I was saying is out of all the ways to gain allies, accusing the Captain of one of the most heinous crimes imaginable wasn't the best of choices under the circumstances especially when stuck on a small ship you want to remain running smoothly if you ever plan on reaching port. When traveling through the ass end of nowhere, the last thing you want to do is fuck with your ride, especially they never wanted to give you a ride in the first place.

Gaining Flora and Traces support only goes so far, its still Eric ship and on that ship hes god. Best not gain his ire by accusing him of being a pedophile.

Furthermore, it as a rather dick move on Maddie's part by sheer fact that Eric helped save her people from destruction.... Basitins have a funny way of treating their heros.... then again they also wanted to execute Natani so meh.

>Eric is a lot of things but one thing he's never shown himself to be is dishonest

Tell that to Flora during all the times Eric tried to weasel his way into her pants

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>>8554684
Case in point would be Basitin attitudes towards nudity. They were so obsessed with modesty that they made laws about keeping their feet wrapped up as a "safety guard" against seeing exposed body parts, even though it's more comfortable for beast races to be barefoot. What they've ended up with is that everyone on their half of the island has a systemic foot fetish because feet are seen as something naughty and private, and simultaneously they have people modeling for nude statues and artwork under the pretense that it's not nudity because their feet are wrapped up. They couldn't be content to just leave the law as "don't run around naked in public" and ended up completely re-defining what is and isn't legally considered nudity to a laughable degree.

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>>8559378
You know I just realized, Natani got that note from Madelyn which we learn later was a witness statement to the fight between Alaric and Keith WAAAAAY before that fight even occured during a time there was no indication there was even going to be a conflict between the two.

... What would Maddie have done had Keith and Alaric not fought and Keith actually went through with his orders? I wonder what the penalty for perjury is in the Basitin legal system and would Adelaide be able to save her daughter from it?

>>8559600
it could just be the fight was a nonlinear cut and flora+nat waking up in the cell with the musclehead general (;_;7) and running into maddie was after alaric fell to his death

>>8559510
It isn't much different then human ideas of what constituted nudity during the Victorian Era where a woman showing off her ankles or forearms was considered nudity, and have you seen Victorian dresses? That shit wasn't designed for comfort

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>>8559467
Eric was frequently trying to weasel his way into Flora's pants (or fur? whatever) but he pretty obviously broadcast his intentions and never forced himself on her. She agreed to model for his paintings and that is all that he obliged her to, even if he would have loved to have her scratch another notch into his bed post.

The only circumstances under which I think Eric would have actually hit on Maddie would be 1) if he was literally ignorant to the fact that Basitins have the same lifespan as humans (highly unlikely given how worldly and well read he is), or 2) that Maddie is actually older than she lets on and Eric saw through her. I think the most likely scenario is that Maddie made up the whole account of the incident though, because she's both manipulative and short-sighted.

Making enemies with the owner of the ship is a retarded thing to do but I don't think she was really thinking that far ahead. She wanted to sow seeds of discord because in her mind that means everyone will feel sorry for her and point fingers at Eric instead of her, which in her twisted little genki-girl mind somehow made sense.

>>8559641
I'll buy that, though I think you are giving Tom too much credit

>>8559710
Most likely it was originally going to be a love letter to Keith, and then Tom decided that Keith's love life was already complicated enough without adding a third girl to the mix. Retconned it into being her written account of the battle and she added lots of hearts because watching men fight makes her horny.

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Alright lads, lets play a little game.
You now have the ability to change three things about this comic, whether that be adding or removing a character, retconning something, changing the direction of the story, or something like that.
What do you change and why?

>>8559779
>because watching men fight makes her horny

Could also be the fact that out of the whole group, Natani was the only non-human to completely disregard the law and not wrap her footpaws, the wraps only appearing after she was knocked out and a doctor stripped her... then wrapped her feet because... you know what that didn't make much sense either as he left her naked other then wrapping her feet. Basitins are fucking weird.

>>8559854
>Flora and Trace relationship is made less bland
>Natani and Keith take their relationship to the next level so the focus can shift to other complicated couples (Red and Raine maybe)
>Kat gets a dedicated character arc, don't like Kat but I think there is a lot of potential for a character who is literally naive to world due to being a slave throughout it. Hell shes more sheltered then even Mike is, I'd love to she her trying to cope and adapting, finding her own way in the world and moving away from being completely dependent on Eric

>>8559854
remove trace and flora
remove eric's slaves and make eric literally just an NPC boat captain
make comic focus keith+natani as part of group B(now the only group) doing what happens in the actual comic

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>>8559854
Not sure if these count but this is an excellent time to mention two things Tom did in this comic that I would pretty much avoid at all costs if I had been writing it: mayfly december romances, and having a group of characters where not everyone can understand each other's language.

Dealing with species who have different lifespans is kind of a pain and I get that some fiction handles it well, but in Twokinds it just gives everything this kind of bleak feeling of being a death march. Twice now Keith has fallen in love with Keidran even though he knows it's going to end in tears, and it's anyone's guess as to what's going to happen with Flora and Trace. It would be one thing if Keidran lived to be 50 while humans live to be 100 but a 20 year lifespan is fruit-fly tier. It dramatically limits the time frame in which the story can take place too, since if time advances too fast then the Keidran characters are going to have to start aging.

The language thing is a problem for me also, because it means that a character like Natani has to have plot conveniences for when she actually interacts with characters who can't speak Keidran, like Trace. Trace and Natani barely interact at all because of the language barrier, but when the plot requires it Natani conveniently knows how to speak some caveman-tier English. It's really isolating for her character since it means she can only really develop relationships with the characters who speak Keidran.

The easy solution to all this would be to have the gods decide that keidran should live as long as humans and basitins, but obviously there'd need to be a plot reason for why this change would happen. A keidran who is 10 years old would have their life extended by another 70 years or so, since they're in the equivalent of their 20s. You could jump ahead a year and show Natani having become fluent in human, and both Nat and Flora have basic reading skills. It could inject some cautious optimism into the comic's world.

>>8560279
Another thing is that it could stir up drama when the Templar somehow become aware that Keidran are living longer. Their gut reaction would be that Keidran are going to out-breed humans and that they are now even more of an existential threat, and would use this as further justification for war. It would also have the potential of changing public perception of keidran over time, though. It's difficult for humans to form meaningful relationships with keidran since humans do everything so much slower, and keidran by nature have to do everything quickly because their lifespans are only 1/5-1/4 that of a human's.

The two big questions though would be what plot reason would the be for why Keidran have suddenly been given the same life-spans as humans and basitins, and how would someone in-universe become aware of it? It's not like the gods would just staple a notice on the town hall bulletin about it. However, maybe a year flash forward would be a good plot convenience for establishing this, since in a year's time many keidran would have perceptively aged under normal circumstances, whereas with a 100 year lifespan the changes would be notably absent across the board.

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>>8560279
>characters who can't speak Keidran, like Trace

Actually Trace is a Polyglot just like Maddie, Lynn and Keith... but only when the plot finds it convenient. Actually he may even know more languages then Keith as there are two dialects to Keidran, Low Keidran and High Keidran, Keith and the Basitins probably have limited exposure the second dialect while Trace as the Grand Templar probably learned it.

>>8560458
All the more reason to just end the confusion and either have Trace remember how to speak Keidran and be consistent about it, or have Natani learn how to speak human. This nonsense where people in the same group can't even carry on a conversation with each other (and not even consistently) greatly limits the potential for character development. It's also annoying that whenever Trace and Natani actually talk to each other, Natani is reduced to using caveman-speak.

>>8560458
>those buckley-tier basitin poses in the 6th panel

>>8560540
To be fair, Zen has the same problem and hes supposed to be able to speak more human than Natani is.... how does that even work, did Zen not find it important to share that info with Natani when they trained together. You are lazy dick Zen, a dick!

>>8560279
>>8560448
I agree 100% with the life span thing. It's such a dumb idea, and I get the feeling Tom only included it early on so he could do the "Trace thinks he's a pedo after Flora says she's 11" joke and he's just been flying with it ever since.

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>>8560279
>It would be one thing if Keidran lived to be 50 while humans live to be 100 but a 20 year lifespan is fruit-fly tier.

Not as bad as the Ocampa on Voyager, they only lived 9 years without jiggery-pokery from demi-god like alien overlords.

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>>8560673
It wasn't until sometime during the Basitin Isles arc that Keith stopped doing the Buckley face on almost every panel.

>>8560694
I wouldn't be surprised if he regrets it on some level but I still don't know if he's thought that far ahead (he did spend like 8 years of the comic with the characters stuck on a boat). I highly doubt he was thinking beyond the "oh, she's only 11 in human years. In cat years she's an adult" gag. Then the fridge horror that they only live about 20 years with 30 years being the maximum kicks in, and rather than retcon it Tom decided to own it and run with it. Unfortunately though, the comic has only taken place over the span of a few months so the short lifespans of the keidran are still off in the territory of "we'll sort that out later." I would rather Tom just accept that it was a bad plot device and find a way to write it out that benefits the story.

>>8560901
I don't think he will as one of the major plot points in the entire comic, the whole reason the world is currently tearing itself apart is because one man (Trace) couldn't accept the one universal fact of life, that it eventually ends.

Tom ignoring that major point would be like George RR Martin basically abandoning his position on War and making everybody in Ice and Fire live happily ever after completely unscathed by what they witnessed or experianced

>>8561038
Humans and Keidran were already on bad terms before Trace showed up. He just made it way worse.

Also, part of why it's so difficult for humans and keidran to get along is probably the difference in lifespan. Humans don't see any value in developing friendships and relationships with Keidran because their lives are over so quickly, and Keidran don't see any value in relationships with humans because they're basically like trees that plant themselves in one place and change very little over the course of their lifespans. Humans do actually change and develop quite a bit, but most of the time a Keidran won't be around long enough to see it.

Obviously there's plenty of exceptions, but the lifespan issue is a serious detriment towards social and emotional compatibility. Why put up with the heartbreak of being involved with the other race when you can just stick to your own and ignore those who are different?

>>8559854

Okay.

1: Normalize Keidran lifespans. Unless you handle it well it's just dumb, and Tom didn't handle it well.

2: Natani and Zen are now the main characters of the comic. The comic is renamed Wolf Brothers. The comic starts out with Natani and Zen being tasked to investigate and trail the lone Basitin traveling through wolf territory. When they find out that his objective is to find Trace Legacy (who, after a reign of terror, has gone missing), they follow him. They eventually find Trace, who drove himself so insane with black magic that he wiped out his own memories. Queue moral dilemma about whether or not it is right to kill him when mentally he is not the same person who committed all those atrocities, argument and tension between Natani/Zen and Keith, and eventual decision to try and smuggle him out to the Basitin Isles as a compromise solution (Keith gets what he wants, Natani/Zen wash their hands of the situation). And we don't have so much focus on the most boring-ass characters in the comic, Trace and Flora.

3: Zen and Princess Clovis get married and have puppies.

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>>8561389
>Humans and Keidran were already on bad terms before Trace showed up.

According to Nora and Sythe they were at relative peace 5 years ago, there was conflict yes but they weren't trying to destroy each other or were at war at the time. The way Sythe described it, they were even starting to get along which is what inspired him to want to become a diplomat.

>Also, part of why it's so difficult for humans and keidran to get along is probably the difference in lifespan. Humans don't see any value in developing friendships and relationships with Keidran because their lives are over so quickly, and Keidran don't see any value in relationships with humans because they're basically like trees that plant themselves in one place and change very little over the course of their lifespans. Humans do actually change and develop quite a bit, but most of the time a Keidran won't be around long enough to see it.

>Why put up with the heartbreak of being involved with the other race when you can just stick to your own and ignore those who are different?

Not to liken Keidran to house pets even if humans sometimes treat them as such, but have you ever owned a cat? A dog? A mouse? A gold fish? If you have, then why? They live only fraction of your lifespan, so why bother? I think in answering that question, you'll get an answer to yours.

Anyway this is distracted from the point I was making:

One of recurring themes which keeps coming up in Two Kinds is that when you try and cheat death it always comes back to bite you, its never without consequence. Nora's brought it up twice, Eric has brought it up, Saria's 'ghost' has brought it up, Euchres brought it, Keith learned that lesson first hand, and Trace is the reason the world is currently tearing its self apart all because he tried to cheat death and went completely insane in the process.

If Tom throws out the Keidran life span to make the readers happy, hes throwing out an important point he was trying to drive home.

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>>8561640
These are pretty alright suggestions although I would hope it wouldn't affect the amount of screen time Keith gets. He really feels like the main character of the comic at a lot of times, because he gets a decent amount of attention while also being more interesting than Trace.

The problem with Trace is that he's a blank slate, and everything we find out about his past is always what an awful person he was before he lost his memory. He's your typical anime protagonist who is "special" but at the same time meant to be so bland and vanilla that anyone can imagine themselves in his role. Keith is more of the heroic loser archetype and that makes him much more endearing in the stories that are about him. I also think people can more easily relate to a character with a tragic past than an amnesiac who used to be evil, because amnesia is such an abstract concept.

With Trace everything good in his life just kind of fell into his lap. The very premise of his character (evil supervillain who turns good after getting amnesia) required no agency from him. He never actually had to get over all of the terrible things that made him evil, and in fact if he faces his memories he is at risk of unlocking something evil inside of himself. It's such a far-out concept compared to Keith, a lovable whimp who we can easily root for to man up and get the girl.

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>>8561640
>Zen and Princess Clovis get married and have puppies

The gods do not look kindly on those who try and cheat their laws, therefore all their puppies will be born hermaphrodites

>>8561842
>One of recurring themes which keeps coming up in Two Kinds is that when you try and cheat death it always comes back to bite you, its never without consequence. Nora's brought it up twice, Eric has brought it up, Saria's 'ghost' has brought it up, Euchres brought it, Keith learned that lesson first hand, and Trace is the reason the world is currently tearing its self apart all because he tried to cheat death and went completely insane in the process.
>If Tom throws out the Keidran life span to make the readers happy, hes throwing out an important point he was trying to drive home.

In this case though, it's a bit different-- Keith didn't lose Laura because of her lifespan, he lost her because of shitty social circumstances and war. Trace's wife was murdered and he wanted to resurrect her from the dead. Neither of these stories would be affected at all if you changed the lifespans of the Keidran-- hell Keith didn't even care that he'd missed out on Laura's best years, he was just upset over the fact that she broke his heart.

In the case of Flora's life span, the story has been moving at such a glacial pace that I doubt we're ever going to see her mortality come into play.

>Not to liken Keidran to house pets even if humans sometimes treat them as such, but have you ever owned a cat? A dog? A mouse? A gold fish? If you have, then why? They live only fraction of your lifespan, so why bother? I think in answering that question, you'll get an answer to yours

I have had many pets. When my childhood cat died after I had her for 18 years, it was the saddest I had ever been in my adult life, and I know when my current dog dies someday it's going to be just as hard due to the special bond I have with him. I have a hard time imagining many people knowingly opening themselves up to that kind of pain with an actual person who they know will only live about 20 years, especially if it's a spouse, when they can stick with humans and have something that can last longer.

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>>8561998

>>8562274
>In this case though, it's a bit different-- Keith didn't lose Laura because of her lifespan, he lost her because of shitty social circumstances and war. Trace's wife was murdered and he wanted to resurrect her from the dead. Neither of these stories would be affected at all if you changed the lifespans of the Keidran-- hell Keith didn't even care that he'd missed out on Laura's best years, he was just upset over the fact that she broke his heart.
>In the case of Flora's life span, the story has been moving at such a glacial pace that I doubt we're ever going to see her mortality come into play.

The point is the same, trying to get around the Keidran lifespan is to try and get around death. Death is a natural part of life, while trying to prolong life beyond its time is unnatural and almost universally destructive.

To throw out Keidran lifespans would be to remove one of the only reoccurring moral of the comic, which is something like this "Cherish the life you have now, and don't cheapen it by trying to drag it out beyond its time"

>I have a hard time imagining many people knowingly opening themselves up to that kind of pain with an actual person who they know will only live about 20 years, especially if it's a spouse, when they can stick with humans and have something that can last longer.

Okay let me put it to you another way, there are people in real life who live a real long time but also have never actually experienced life and there are people who die young who in their short time lived life more than most other people.

It's not how long we experience something which gives it value but the substance of the experience itself which does. Some experiences are longer than others but that doesn't make them more valuable or shorter experiences less. What matters is the experience in and of itself. If you live in dread of the experience coming to an end, or harp on the fact its already ended than you've ruined it for yourself and aren't living.

>>8563046
Keidran living longer wouldn't be without consequence, though. Many humans would see it as a threat, because it's one thing for a race to breed like rabbits when they only have 20 years to live, but what guarantee do the humans have that they won't be rapidly out-bred by keidran when they can live as long as humans do? It would undoubtedly contribute to the saber rattling and calls for the keidran population to be forcibly kept low. The same mindset led to the Krogan genophage in Mass Effect, and ultimately the genophage made things worse.

If the Keidran start to live longer it doesn't mean that it would come for free. In a cruel twist of irony maybe it turns out that Trace's lifespan has been decreased due to his past meddling with black magic, and it's ultimately Flora who ends up burying Trace at the end of the story.

>>8563209
>Keidran living longer wouldn't be without consequence

Especially considering their reproduction and the fact they mature faster than humans, either it'd be an ecological disaster for everyone (more Keidran means more needed resources) or humans wouldn't be able to compete as you pointed out

>If the Keidran start to live longer it doesn't mean that it would come for free. In a cruel twist of irony maybe it turns out that Trace's lifespan has been decreased due to his past meddling with black magic, and it's ultimately Flora who ends up burying Trace at the end of the story.

Or Trace needs to be put down, either way I don't doubt this story will end in heartbreak for somebody. There is hope though, Flora is pregnant meaning some part of Trace or Flora (if she dies first) will endure and life goes on with a pleasant reminder of the life from before and that there is a life ahead.

>>8563363
>Especially considering their reproduction and the fact they mature faster than humans, either it'd be an ecological disaster for everyone (more Keidran means more needed resources) or humans wouldn't be able to compete as you pointed out

If Keidran do start living longer then I think the balancing factor will be that it takes longer for them to mature. Being able to mature faster already puts them at somewhat of an evolutionary advantage even though they have such short lifespans, a few keidran settlers can multiply into a large enclave in a very short amount of time. This is part of why Cro Magnon settlers quickly displaced the Neanderthals of Eurasia. If it takes as long for a Keidran to mature as a human then the two races would likely find some sort of balance with each other down the road.

That doesn't mean all humans would see it that way, though. They would still cling to the stereotype that Keidran are always horny and breeding, except now they live longer which makes some humans jump to the conclusion that Keidran will soon be having families with dozens of children, without even wanting to give them a chance.

>I don't doubt this story will end in heartbreak for somebody. There is hope though, Flora is pregnant meaning some part of Trace or Flora (if she dies first) will endure and life goes on with a pleasant reminder of the life from before and that there is a life ahead.

I do think that ultimately this is where the story is going to end up. Trace having to bury Flora because he outlived her is a bit too obvious. Him dying but seeing the child first would give him happiness in knowing that he brought something good into the world, even if he won't be alive to appreciate it.

The real beneficiary of Keidran living longer in this scenario would be Keith. He's spent his whole life being dumped on, and he loves Natani while accepting the risks. Keith has earned a happy ending and a long, full life with Natani, and he never even asked for it.

>>8563775
The Fates/Gods/Those Mask things already have been shown to interfere in order to maintain balance, they prevented humans and keidran from interbreeding, wouldn't it be a kicker if they are also responsible for Keidrans short life-span and Basitins relative rigidity (which is a determent as they must be slower to adapt to change) all in an endless game of chess with eachother they keep trying to win but end up always at a stalemate.

I think the real solution here is kill the gods!

>>8564221
The gods in Twokinds are basically pagan gods. The omnipotent aristocracy who see mortals as their game pieces in a never ending struggle to gain full control of the board, rarely giving out blessings unless there's something in it for their own gain.

since this thread is almost dead what should the next one's theme be

>>8529112
Perhaps there are different rules for spouses.

>>8514407
Holy shit this is still going on? I remember reading it years ago.

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>>8565258
as far as I know they're only not supposed to be together at night going off what keith's mom said when alabaster murdered her
also maybe there are paternal/maternal leave-esque rules following the birth of the child that allows them to remain together for a time while they recuperate n such

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>>8565098
100% legal edition

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>>8514637
I knew It was a different version than this fanart I saw years ago. If it was made by the same drawfag I think it's a great improvement

>>8567286
yeah it's the same guy revisiting the pic

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I'll get on the next thread

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Get in here

>>8568688
>>8568688
>>8568688

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>>8568696
>lega
Fuck me that's the second time

>>8568705
dont crumple anon