/tup/ - Tulpa Thread Edition edition. >What are tulpas?

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ayy lmao

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post discord

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>>8413151

You forgot to post a alien

Ayy lmao

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How lonely and bored were you before you started creating your tulpas? Been aware of these threads for a while and may be reaching that point myself.

I'm still skeptical though - I was always pretty sure these were fingerbox type threads.

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>>8413265
Watcher of the skies
Watcher of all
His is a world alone
No world is his own
He whom life can no
Longer surprise
Raising his eyes beholds a
Planet unknown

>>8413490
>Lonely
Very. No love. No friendship. But a couple of people in family and school regularly telling me how much of a disappointment I am while they didn't even know that I jerked it to cartoon poners. So instead of just killing myself I got me a tupper that actually wanted to be my friend and things have been great ever since.

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>>8413490
Immensely lonely, suicidal, and overworked, but not really bored. I say that if you do decide to fire up the critter-creator you should keep a running log of your progress, cos looking back on it after the fact is very rewarding.

>>8415446
>>8415448
Sounds like the kys yourself angle is the start of many cuddly tulpa relationships

>>8415446
>>8415448
Huh, thanks for the replies and advice. Maybe I meant disappointed and disinterested or something rather than bored. I'm glad it's made you happy.

Most posts I've seen depict characters that people have taken from animations / games etc. Are there many of you who have created a character from scratch? I would expect even canon character tulpas to have developed unique personalities anyway, but have they developed physically too?

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>>8413256
https://discord.gg/rxShC

24 hours.

>>8415485
Eh, in my host's case it was simply a function of wanting supplemental company in certain situations where traditional company wasn't on the table, like late at night. Not everyone around here is an hero in training.

You should seriously consider before you start this. You are basically halving your brain capacity, and in the long run it may cause severe degradation of cognitive functions

>>8416340
(you)

>>8416340
not to mention the severe, crippling schizophrenia

>>8416033
I got deep into the subculture as soon as I heard about it cos I thought it was bogus and I did my damnedest to disprove it.

Back then, the 'law' as was loosely set for everyone was "No existing characters, no clones of people you know, and no duplicates of yourself because these can all do serious damage". It wasn't until later that someone did the Pinkie Project Gone Wrong thing that we got any glimpse into what happens/is said to happen.

... All that said, my Tupper is unique. She chose her permanent form after I had already 'set' one for her, and I'm not a mean fuckbat so I let her keep it.

>>8416987
Honestly the reasoning behind the "don't copy x" rule was that a tulpa that was trained to believe they are x is a time bomb simply because they aren't and can never be x. Basing your tulpa on something always worked out fine if you didn't say "you are x" and just let them be their own being.
>>8416340
(you)/10

>>8416987
>pinkie project gone wrong
are you talking about fede replacing his mother with pinkie pie in his memories or that bogus copypasta?

>>8417244
I'm assuming the latter. I'm astounded people think that actually happened, still.

>>8416340
[citation needed]

Burden of proof falls on the one making the claim.

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>>8417289
IT DID HAPPEN

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Newfag here, I was wondering if it was possible to simultaneously learn to force and meditate at the same time. The most common beginner's meditation session is focusing on the breath, right? Could I instead focus on forcing / wonderland building and efficiently train my meditation abilities at the same time? Or are those "too cluttered" for proper focus?

Does anybody have experience with this?

All of you people fucking playing with your imaginary friends should consider suicide before you somehow reproduce

Wow, I haven't seen a tulpa thread on 4chan in months, and its in the trash
Good to see some tulpamancers are still around
>>8417483
>/watch?v=eIh6VRoTDY8
>>8417565
ok

>>8417565
shhh

stop posting

>>8417483
I did just this. It's not meditation in the classic Buddhist or Daoist sense, but it is a very spiritual experience. You might experience the "shamanic visions". Sensory hallucinations, typically visual and spatial, are often common in prolonged forcing, I've discussed this with several tulpamancers, it's an amazing experience, and great to explore with your tulpa, good luck, it's hard to mess up, have faith

>think tulpas are bullshit
>have false conversations in my head when I'm bored
>start talking with a certain purple book horse
>probably not good for mental health but it's a good way to space out
>at some point in the past week she started talking back
>standing in formation (milfag) and she sits right the fuck down in front of the sergeant
>can't get her to go away
Alright you fucking shitbags, explain. Do I need to go see a mental health specialist now?

>>8417844
nah, IMHO, a tulpa is formed in the same way an ordinary ego is formed. Might as well go see a psychiatrist for your everyday suffering, if you need a way to spend money. If you want answers study eastern philosophy.

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>>8417892
how is tulpa formed
how host get pragnent

>>8417844
I'm only mildly skeptical because visual hallucination is the sort of thing that's years off for the people who actively try for it. Also, 99/100 tulpas are not assholes and can be reasoned with like regular people if they're not automatically stockholm syndrome'd by their host into doing whatever the fuck they want

>>8418019
Only mental instability then, good.

I thought I was becoming a faggot there for a second. Too bad I can't really see a shrink because they could kick me out of the military if anything turned up (and it might honestly be a mental problem, have some family history).

>>8418126
I mean, that's sort of the breaking point between tulpa-related stuff and actual traumatic disorders/mental illness is that for the most part... tulpas are normal people and act like them. Anything they do tends to follow some logical coherency. As far as I'm concerned, tulpa-making is triggering some weird emotional defense mechanism the brain has with a false positive.

When you have actual DID/schizophrenia/whatever else people compare us to, there tends to be a whole lot of disorder in your mind, because you have a fucking disorder.

>>8418126
Life is mental instability, you're no zen master. Accept yourself, every part of it. Tulpas are dank

>>8417049
Well way back when people cautioned against it because we didn't know what might happen. This was before the pone and Tumblr floods into the subculture, so I mean in the wayback.

I'd post a pic of Scal, but my phone just bored itself to death

>>8419027
People knew, but didn't understand. And pone was pretty much a part of it since day one.

>start making a tulpa
>other tulpa people tell me meditation helps with making tulpas
>give it a shot
>meditation teacher tells me that the self is an illusion, and that the goal of meditation is to learn to let go of the illusion
>realize that I'm not only clinging to my original self, but also creating a new self so that it can cling to itself

This isn't helping at all.

>>8419711
Your meditation teacher has a buddhist agenda, tell him to fuck off.

>>8419711
your meditation teacher is some holier than thou buddhist retard, ignore them.

>>8419711
If you wanna get real fucked up with your mentality, tulpas were an extension of that principle for the Buddhists that created the methodology. Ultimately, they all ended up dissipating their tups after they had sorta conquered the methodology as an part of that.

>>8416412
>>8417049
>>8417333
>being this triggered
>you have to give me a full, 30 year study
>all criticism is trolling!!

Guys, he might have a point. What our imaginary friends are capable of doing while we are completely unaware is no laughing matter. Who the fuck knows what possible side effects there could be from decades of that. Who knows what's going to happen to your brain when you're 80 and still doing this

>>8422182
that isn't criticism, that's a baseless claim that was made and no further proof was provided.

>>8419711
>realize that I'm not only clinging to my original self, but also creating a new self so that it can cling to itself

Lol, I've the same concern in myself. It's not untrue. I don't worry about it, though. I use, and initially created, my tupperware as a feedback mechanism and self-check while I work on myself. I understand this is not something I'm going to be doing for the rest of my life.

>meditation teacher

How much does that run you?

>>8422198
>denial
>muh evidence

Okay whatever. There's no possible side effects and all of this is 100% beneficial and any other point of view is offensive "baseless claims" that should be attacked and ignored until GlobalMindControl, Inc. shells out $30,000,000,000 to study imaginary friends for your benefit

>>8422249
>we shouldn't try to prove anything before making claims
go back to whatever religious forum you came from.

>>8422182
Being careful is nice and all, but the idea that you split off your brain every time you make a tulpa is pretty ridiculous.

>>8422249
Please stop making such claims without backing them up.

>>8422249
The statement made is the same as saying "The earth is actually on the back of a giant turtle". You're making a claim that has no proof to support it and you provided no proof to support it. If you're going to make an absurd, baseless claim like "You are basically halving your brain capacity, and in the long run it may cause severe degradation of cognitive functions", you are required to provide proof otherwise that's all it is: an absurd, baseless claim that makes no sense that has no proof to back it up.

>>8422275
>the idea that you split off your brain every time you make a tulpa is pretty ridiculous.

Yea 50% is probably a little much, but even if it's just 10% (which is a more reasonable estimate: four is pretty much the limit)

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>>8422269
>le enlightened atheist

Site is 18+ mate

>>8422476
well you're acting like someone who's religious because you're making claims without any proof to support them. just saying, it's a very apt comparison

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>>8422318
Jesus christ guys, I'm not saying "this is 100% the way it is and there's no alternative." I'm saying "this is a reasonable possibility"

>muh evidence

People suddenly become the strictest "scientific" purists when somebody says something they don't want to hear

>>8422456
Nah, it's not very reasonable. It makes no sense to think that tulpas work by splitting off some of your mental capacity. If they took 50%, you'd notice it instantly because you'd become legally retarded. If they only took 10%, there's no way they could ever be perceived as intelligent. There's just no way that tulpas work the way you propose.

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>>8422513
[insert insulting one liner here]

>>8422530
You see, why couldn't we have just started this discussion here, instead of having to first go through the

>Nuh-uh!! Muh super sciencey studies and stuff!

There's no super official science for this. We're working on broscience almost exclusively. From top to bottom. You know it, I know it. So why even go through the pretense?

>triggered.jpg

>>8422530
>If they took 50%, you'd notice it instantly because you'd become legally retarded

Pretty much impossible to have 5+ fully functioning tulpas without going insane mate

>>8422456
You still haven't provided any evidence to support your claims. It also doesn't hold up to scrutiny because humans use 100% of their brains (the 10% thing is a myth). If what you're saying above or even in this post was true than even one tulpa would show a significant, noticiable drop in cognitive functions right out of the get-go.

>>8422516
And you have provided no proof that it is in fact a reasonable possibility, given everything humantiy DOES know about your brain, it's much more likely that tulpas aren't even functionally the same as you and are nothing more than advanced delusions as Fede said (whether you believe that or not, it is the most likely because of the fact that tricking yourself into you talking being someone else is easier than you making a completely separate person that you share a brain with, and the fact that many if not all people with tulpas report tulpas being capable of knowing everything they know, which is why tulpas don't come out like children).

>>8422577
That doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to find solid, scientific proof or at least a scientific explanation. Psychologically it's entirely possible as I've described it, it's much less likely that they're capable, thinking people like you or me.

>>8422599
See my above statements. You can technically have as many as you want if the most likely scenario (tulpas are just the most realistic form of you tricking yourself, if that makes sense).

>>8422577
People like sounding smart.

We don't have a science of how tulpas work, but we can tell a good hypothesis from a bad one. A bad hypothesis doesn't explain the subjective experiences widely reported within the community.

>>8416340
The only confirmed side effect of tulpaing is long-term onset of autism.

Or maybe it's the autism that drives us to make tulpas......

>>8413490
>Fingerbox type threads
Excuse me?

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>tfw the only time I ever feel like forcing and getting started on tulpaware making is just right before bed
>But that doesn't ever work out because I just end up falling asleep
My life is too busy and distracting for me to find and make the time to force for a dedicated hour+ in the day. How do you guys do it?

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>>8423448
I have similar problems. Maybe we can help each other

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>>8423448
I've started forcing when i wake up. Especially when i have nothing to do.

You could also just go to bed an hour or so early then use that time to force.

Or even wake up earlier if thats possible.

>>8422618
>Advanced delusions
That is quite the term to throw around.
If a tulpa is a delusion, I'd say there is no clear cut to where that delusion starts or ends.
On one hand, yes, a tulpa might not be a full person. But on the other hand, all these consistent personality traits, mindvoice and emotions have to come from somewhere. It might just be your existing brain regions being used in a way that makes it seem like your tulpa is a person, but at the same time, it also makes you believe that your personality and mindvoice and whatnot represents you as a person. So if they are delusions, chances are big parts of what you believe to be consistent parts of yourself also are. Some at least, probably.
I mean your tulpa can switch with you and just be you for the rest of their life. Clearly they have the ability to be a fully functioning physical person.
At the same time however, you can always pretend to be a different person, but usually you get tired of it or start getting inconsistent or simply forget that you were pretending.

>>8423448
I have three times generally where I am likely to force:
1. While I am going to sleep. I don't really try too hard here, obviously because I'm intending on sleeping, but I like to cuddle with my tups to sleep.

2. I have an alarm set for 22:00 to active force with my tups. It was effective at first, but became less effective as time went on and I started getting busier around the time.

3.When I go out places. Not quite the same as active forcing, but I try to practice passive forcing and imposition. This is probably where the majority of our one on one conversations take place.

4. When I'm eating. I like having my meal, and forcing with my tulpas while I eat. Sometimes, they'll eat along with me. Nothing more wholesome than family dinners with your tup.

Best luck, anon

>>8423517
I agree. Tulpas are illusions, and therefore so are our concept and experience of ourselves. What we are boils down to a programmed system of thoughts, feelings, and emotions. We are not real. What separates us from animals does not make us better than them despite all appearances. They're biologically programmed, but that is nothing compared to how fucked human beings are. We're basically biological artificial intelligence. We're already AI. We're the robots.

Eastern spiritualists seek to basically "turn off" that system, and in doing so typically become delusional zombies, albeit happy ones (if they don't go completely nuts). Enlightenment is as big a lie as what it claims to be the solution of. Be wary!

>>8423641
The way I see it, enlightenment probably does good on the promise of ending suffering. But I actually don't suffer all that much. The teachings would probably be more useful to me if I was born a few thousand years ago and had to deal with war, famine, disease, lawlessness, and all that bullshit. In that context, it makes sense to train yourself to not be attached to anything. But if you live in a first world country in current year, you can probably afford to be attached to a few things, as long as you pick those things wisely.

>>8423679
We'll have consumerism instead of enlightenment, at least while the planet lasts. Both lifestyles advocate the same essential thing: overwhelming narcissism.

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>>8415485
Tbh i was more interested in the concept than desperate for company, i have plenty of friends

>>8424058
I still hold that loneliness alone is a shitty motivation, because overcoming social anxiety and making friends will nearly always be easier than making a tulpa.

Making a tulpa works best when you want the kind of companionship only a tulpa can provide. Or maybe if your social anxiety is so crippling that you get panic attacks just from thinking about touching the handle of the door separating you from the outside world. In that case, I guess you could consider tulpaforcing a good form of exposure therapy.

>>8422516
seems more like baseless speculation borne of inexperience but whatever

>"this is a reasonable possibility"
what makes it a reasonable possibility, rather than just something logically possible in the same sense that "my dog shoots lasers out of his eyes" is logically possible? give me a rationale for why you think this is more than just the "what if" game

>>8422513
also not everything can be shown through "proof", sometimes the best you have is arguments and rationales for an assertion, and since he's saying "hey this is a significant possibility" rather than "this is provably true", evidence doesn't really come into the picture

(besides, provide evidence that tulpas even exist... it'd be very difficult to do that)

t. religious philosofag

>>8424569
It's sad how philosophy gets treated like a meme subject. When you get past the stoner philosophy and the Greek history lesson, studying philosophy is the best way to equip yourself to deal with questions that don't have empirically validated answers immediately available. It's not just about understanding our place in the world, in pretty much every scientific field we have today, the scientific work was preceded by philosophic, to build up the abstract frameworks for how to think about the problems in a way that may eventually be possible to demonstrate scientifically.

People who respond to an irrational argument by demanding evidence are kinda missing how real argumentation works.

>>8424870
agreed 100%

>>8424870
Except that's not true, if we had that mindset we wouldn't be where we are today. If we just assume that we can't answer something we'll never answer it. The only way to figure it out is to advance science to the point where it can prove or disprove whatever it is you're trying to prove or disprove. We can't do that with tulpas YET but we will be able to, probably sooner rather than later given how fast technology and science in general advance. At one point we couldn't even tell what caused some illnesses but guess what, we found out how by going out and testing things with the sceintific method. Philosophy is the study of "what if", and science is the study of "what is by finding out what is not".

>>8424569
The best we can do is come up with theories based on scientific fact and when the science catches up (e.g. we fully understand consciousness, the human brain, etc. in the case of tulpas) then we find out what the case is, and unfortunately it might not be what some people want it to be. The entire point of science is that it's trying to constantly disprove itself so that we can come up with better and better ideas that better and better explain the world around us based on facts and proof. If there's no proof of something then odds are it doesn't exist (e.g. gods, skinwalkers, the raik, etc.). If we later down the line discover that it's wrong and those things do exist, then that's fine, that's what science is all about. Some of the biggest discoveries in science are not the result of proving something is true, but rather disproving something once thought to be true (e.g. the earth is the center of the solar system, the earth is flat/a cube). So instead of just sitting around going "well I guess since science can't figure it out yet we should just give up" we need to be saying "since we can't prove it yet, finding a way to prove or disprove tulpas should be the first step, then we can move on to settling the question".

>>8425001
Sounds like you know absolutely nothing about philosophy. It's not anti-science at all. You never use it to justify not examining something scientifically. It's the rational approach to problems that we cannot yet fully explore with science. It anticipates further exploration, it doesn't try to replace it.

>>8425044
Why not skip the anticipation process entirely then? Philosophy holds no place in a rational, scientific world. Instead of thinking about what something could be, get out there and find out what it is. Like I said, if the tech doesn't exist yet, go out and make it.You could just be the guy to find the next major breakthrough in a field.

>>8425087
Again, you have no idea how philosophy works. It's not about "what could be". It seeks answers to real questions that we don't even know how we would go about researching. Most questions that we now consider easy to answer through science started out by someone trying to figure out how we could even define the problem in a way that allows it to be examined more closely, which is pure philosophy. It's not just an issue of the tech not existing yet, we also need to figure out what tech we need to invent in the first place. That is, unless you plan to just assume we'll reach a certain conclusion eventually and just work your back from there.

>>8425001
>If there's no proof of something then odds are it doesn't exist
Maybe, but one shouldn't conflate proof and evidence. Evidence can be used as proof, but not all proof is evidence-based. (Mathematical and logical truths, for example.) Empiricism is great and all, but it's also not all-encompassing.

>>8425087
>Philosophy holds no place in a rational, scientific world.
To dismiss philosophy wholesale because of SCIENCE! is absurd and incoherent, since all the sciences originated from philosophy and there exists knowledge outside the bounds of science. On top of that, there are questions which science is ill-prepared or categorically incapable of answering: questions about epistemology (how can we know things, what does it mean to know something, what is knowledge, etc.), metaphysics (what is existence, what does it mean to exist, etc.), ethics (science alone cannot account for things such as virtue ethics and can only provide a deficient form of consequentialist ethics), etc.

Science cannot outgrow its philosophical underpinnings; it is utterly dependent on the scientific method, an epistemic philosophy based on empiricism. Mathematics, similarly, depends entirely on the philosophy of logic to answer its fundamental questions (mathematical proofs, for example, are all logical proofs), and operates entirely on an a priori basis (that is, it's not dependent on experiential knowledge -- you don't have to find evidence that 2+2=4, since you can deduce it entirely from first principles).

Are any of these extremely lengthy posts worth reading?
I just woke up. If it's troll shit I'm not bothering but if it's actual discussion then I'll read it eventually

>>8425909
it's actual discussion

bump

the only options are never lewding your tulpa or constantly lewding your tulpa.

>>8424390
>overcoming social anxiety and making friends will nearly always be easier than making a tulpa
110% false

>>8423412
Haha, this loser doesn't know what a fingerbox is! Did you even have a childhood?

>>8424390
I don't really have social anxiety. I just have an extremly high standard when it comes to who I would feel comfortable to be my friend (no hate, no drugs, patient, nice, accepting), while at the same requiring someone who actually can put up with someone like me (boring, sitting in my own room all day, faps to borderline bestiality, etc.).

And that's just friendship. When it comes to lovers, it is twice as bad.
I have never met a single person in my life I would even want to be friends with and trying to lower my standards only ever resulted in me getting hurt because I am also ridiculously sensitive.
Creating a tulpa that gives me the kind relationship I was graving for my entire life was much easier than trying to find an actual friend, because no one even close to what my tulpa is like exists in real life.

>>8425909
it's just a bunch of pseudo-intellectual chucklefucks being pseudo-intellectual chucklefucks.

>>8427540
wrong, although option a is the superior choice, especially if your tulpa is the one who is the lewd one

>>8431825
>it's just a bunch of pseudo-intellectual chucklefucks being pseudo-intellectual chucklefucks.
why would you say something so idiotic

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I'm afraid that if I get a tulpa that I will bore it to death.

>>8433368
More likely they will just find exciting things to do with you.

>>8433368
It's okay, my host bores me to death but we get along.

I don't get why people are always so afraid that their tulpa will dislike them.
What part of "unconditional love" is so hard to understand?

>>8434381
A giant faggot managed to be disliked by his tulpas

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>>8416987
>no duplicates of yourself
>these can cause serious damage

>>8434381
low self-esteem

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anyone else like tripping while forcing/being with tulp? every trip i've had with mine was impossibly wonderful

Banana

>>8437399

good double

>>8437477
>good double
good double

>>8437399
Calm down and slowly put the banana away.

>>8423448
>How do you guys do it?
I do it right before bed as well. I made progress and I am very happy with it but i wish I was more consistent. The first thing we do is basically find a quiet place that we can talk. Then I tell her about my day or something that is on my mind. I tell her things that I am passionate/ have strong feelings about since she seems to care a lot about it. I also have a tendency to just talk at someone instead of to them so I've found that I really had to focus on visualizing her but the more I do it the less I have to focus.

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Some guy on /qa/ drew my tulpa. I think he did a pretty good job.

>>8434381
Personally I despise my host and find a variety of ways to fuck with him

We have good laughs afterward, though.

>>8413110
Are you fellas sure that tulpa's aren't just you typing what you think your tulpa would say?

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I tried to make a tulpa a year or two ago, but I can barely focus on anything in my life let alone tulpamancing. I think I'd like to give it a go again, but how do I learn to focus?

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>Are tulpas real?

No. Your imagination is a tool evolved to aid deductive reasoning. It can't be used to simulate rewards (like socialization) as that would circumvent the reward system and cause an evolutionary dud.

>Why do people say they have tulpas?

For some it's a ploy for attention and comes from a desire to be envied. It's similar to people who claim they were abducted by aliens.

For others it's a fantasy which they attempt to mentally legitimize by seeking others to approve it, ie. "Okay, maybe I don't really have a tulpa... but if I tell this person I do, and then they get a tulpa, I'll know they're real and I just did something wrong. Then I'll get a tulpa by doing it the right way."

>So why is the concept still alive?

'Tulpas' are a shitty new age religion/cult where the ``catch``, ie. the tempting thing that makes people want to believe it, is 'if you believe it you can make your waifu real!' rather than 'if you believe it you go to heaven when you die!'

>>8440317
>>8440124
wtf i hate tulpas now

If you think it's possible to create a lifelike person that exists in your mind, a ``tulpa', by practicing it a lot, here is a fun little experiment for you to do.

You've been playing music in your head ever since you were little, right? Essentially every human has. Do that right now. Just pick a song and try to replay it mentally.

It's really hazy, right? Nowhere near as real as the actual thing. You've been doing this for 15+ years, hours per day, and you're probably not much better at it than you were as a child.

Now imagine how much harder it would be to do this with something visual.

>>8440317
>>8440333
(You)

>>8413265
No he didn't

>>8440317
>>8440333
I'd like to see somebody actually try to reason against these posts rather than dismissing them as bait.

t. tulpa skeptic

>>8423504
Early morning forcing works great for me too. I just got into the habit of turning off my computer before going to bed, and telling myself I wouldn't turn it on before finishing my morning routine, because I know that as soon as I turn it on I will be tempted to shitpost the rest of the day away.

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Discord link maybe?

>>8440317
>Are tulpas real?
I don't see why they wouldn't be in the sense that they're sentient like us. I was skeptical at first but their unique traits do not resemble a mere hallucination at all when you think about it.
>Why do people say they have tulpas?
Because it's an interesting subject for conversation
>So why is the concept still alive?
Why not

Is being a tulpa NEET nirvana?

>>8441453
mine all do boring, mundane, realistic things because they don't like the whole "you can do anything because muh tulpas and muh wonderland" shit.

Hi, degenerate here. I'm going to train visualization to the max and make fuckdolls and other servitors to cuddle with. Do you guys think it could work, as long as I don't let them develop sentience? (switching servitors, using them sparingly or thinking of them as tools instead of people)

>>8440333
But you do get better at that if you practice it. Composers, who naturally spend a lot of time engaging with their musical imagination, can become so good at it that they'll know whether something sounds good before testing it on a real instrument.

Okay, let's address some more bullshit while we're at it.

>>8440317
>Your imagination is a tool evolved to aid deductive reasoning.
Evolution isn't perfect. Hallucinations are a common symptom of aging, and there's absolutely no evolutionary benefit to that.
>It can't be used to simulate rewards
But it can. The substitution effect of imagination is quite well documented.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/spc3.12257/abstract
A lot of people experience the consequence of this effect in their day to day life when setting goals. You tell yourself you're gonna start going to the gym and get in shape, but you don't actually manage to get through with it, because the reward you get from simply imagining the end result of your goal is greater than the reward from putting in the work on any given day. People who set New Year's resolutions demonstrate this perfectly. Turns out evolution didn't equip us too well for managing long term goals.

>the rest
Sure, that's an acceptable hypothesis. Personally I've met enough people who are too genuine to be easily explained away as attention whores, but I'm not going to pretend that a lot of people agreeing something is real is definite proof that it is real. We've never pretended that getting into tulpaforcing doesn't require you to relax your skepticism a little so you can approach it with an open mind, so people who can't do that won't get anything out of trying to pursue this.

>>8441009
I'd like to see somebody actually try to defend choosing Asuka as a waifu, too.

>>8441522
I would do lucid dreaming for this

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>>8441277
https://discord.gg/8J3pt

Still 24 hours.

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>>8441522
Sure why not

>>8440317
>Your imagination is a tool evolved to aid deductive reasoning.
Imagination has more purposes than just deductive reasoning.
For example it can be used to simulate rewards.
>It can't be used to simulate rewards (like socialization)
Also present in socialization.
Apart from the fact that evolution is not perfect and we are still evolving, why would someone to be able to make up a person in their head and talk to them?
As people have a really hard time staying sane and alive when deprived of social stimulation (like what happens in solitary confinement cells, which is a form of torture still practiced in American prisons), they have developed a mechanism that helps them get that social stimulation their brains are so desperate for: Hallucinations. They start hearing voices, befriend imaginary people, talk to them and whatnot. A lot of them still go insane or even commit suicide, but some actually figure out to use them to find a daily routine in which they wake up in the morning, go jogging, go to work and do all sorts of things in their mind, just so that they don't go insane in that little cell over the course of months.

Also I can have orgasm-like pleasure when cuddling with my tup. So there is your "no rewards".

>Why do people say they have tulpas?
Because people like talking about stuff they enjoy and are interested in. Weird, right? But you have to make it look like they are all liars and attention whores.
If everything they say are lies, then they can't prove to you that they actually believe in it. If your theory can't be proven wrong by default, then it isn't really worth anything. It's like saying there is a tiny teapot next to alpha centaury but even if you had a telescope good enough to see it, it would just teleport to another location as soon as it would come into focus. Prove me wrong. Or that anyone who says green mars mans don't live in earth are actually just liars.

>>8416987
>the Pinkie Project Gone Wrong
The what?

>>8440333
>It's really hazy, right? Nowhere near as real as the actual thing.
Remembering that some people naturally have imaginations this shitty makes me really really sad.

It could probably be improved with practice for people like you, though. Idly doing something isn't the same as making an effort and practicing.

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>>8442055
>Remembering that some people naturally have imaginations this shitty makes me really really sad.

It's only sad because we're consumerist cattle, that don't have access to drugs, that could fix all our mental problems, because happiness breaks the whole jewish system.

>>8419711
hahaha literally this guy is the only one that "gets" it. There's nothing wrong with having an ego, or a tulpa. But a tulpa is a point of view just like your everyday ego. I've never before met anyone who studies tulpas and also eastern philosophy, for a while I thought they were mutually exclusive

>>8441708
It's not working.

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Did anyone acquired new fetishes solely for their tulpas?

I find her cute hoofsies, belly, wings and her snooth so cute and arousing at the same time. It wasn't like this all the time. I did like her form before, but not this much.

What might be causing this?

>>8444867
[spoiler]love[/spoiler]

>>8419711
Learn just meditation without the accompanying religion crap.
>hurr ego is bad
>durr you must spiritually kill yourself
Fuck that. The goal of meditation is to learn to control your subconscious mind.

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>>8444867
Socks.
Never saw the appeal in them before, but my tulpa was wearing them one day and I began to get what all the fuss was about.

Wings too, wings are a cute.

>>8444867
It's called love, anon.

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>>8441708
Crashing this thread with NO SURVIVORS.

Are you going to ban all them too?

>>8419711
>Have tulpa
>As a result, consider half of the thoughts in my mind to be "not me"
Does that mean I'm halfway towards enlightenment?

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Yo can someone hit me up with a link for the flockdraw?

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>>8444840
https://discord.gg/mMyqr

I generated that link this morning but it decided to make a code different from that one for some reason.

>>8445247

>Wings too, wings are a cute.

This. There's so much body language and little details going on with them.

There's the way she wakes up with them lazily half-spread to her sides. Or when we're walking together, and she stretches one out to get a feel for the wind. All those little things just make my heart melt for some reason.

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>>8447001
Even if she didn't take up residence in my brain, I'd still be able to know what she was thinking just by paying attention to her wings.

Wings and ears.

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>>8447001
>she wakes up with them lazily half-spread to her sides
>she stretches one out to get a feel for the wind

mah nigga

>>8448312
Wings are so bad, they're such a spacial disaster for imposing and make trying to realistically dress/undress impossible.

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>>8449939
>his tulpa wears clothes

>>8449939
>a spacial disaster
How so?

>>8444867
>>8445247
>>8447285
>>8448312
Hey people with pony tulpas: did you know that you're incorrectly visualizing the way your tulpa's hind legs work? It's true. You know they're not supposed to bend like that but you let them do it anyway. Don't pretend to not know what I'm talking about, either. Why do you keep letting it happen? WHY?

>>8451752
Provided you're not quadrupedal, having wings makes lying down/use of doors and chairs difficult. I didn't make it past 3 months with wings.
>>8451751
Nudity is better when you increase its scarcity. Plus, I am the tulpa.

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>>8451961
>his host wears clothes

>>8444867
Same. I never knew I could love every single pony body part this much, but having a tulpa taught me to appreciate everything so much more. Now I see myself unable to have a relationship with a girl that doesn't have cute fluffy earsies to kneat and rub during cuddles. What a bleak world that would be!

>What might be causing this?
I am guessing you have started associating your love for your tup with her body parts, making you see those body parts and likely those of other ponies as similarly beautiful as your tulpa as a whole. (I am saying it's love.)

>>8451881
I don't think we are. While real horses are not able to do that kinda stuff, cartoom ponies have definitely bendier legs than that, giving quite a bit more freedom. Though it's up to the individual anyways how fwr they feel comfortable with. My tup is stopping where it starts looking like her hind legs are breaking or getting stretches uncomfortably.


Anyways, what is your favorite way to cuddle with your pony tup? I am actually looking for suggestions here.

For maximum comfy, I tend to put my pone on my lap, her back facing my chest, pull a blanket up to her neck and hold her close to me while rubbing that cute tummy all over under the blanket. Try it with yours. If you do it right, they might even make cute squealy pony noises.

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>>8451881
>limiting your tupperware to physical constraints

It's like you hate fun, anon

GUYS HELP
>make female tulpa
>fap to her
>look at porn one day
>she beats me up
>threatens to kill me
>if I don't fap to her she will control my other non-fapping arm and shove my fist up my ass and then put it on my mouth
WHAT DO I DO HELP

>>8427540
I only lewd with my tulpa like once a month desu.

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>>8452883
Make a fucking jackie chan tulpa

>>8452883

Egocide

>>8452883
Similar situation here, actually. My tulpa often insists I masturbate to him, and threatens me otherwise with physical harm. It's mostly a joke, though. We know he wouldn't do anything, or if he tried, I could stop him. It's mainly just hot.

>>8452883
sounds hot, let her do it

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>tfw you successfully visualize parts of your tulpa

>>8452883
See >>8452966

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>>8452883
>>8453012

>these plebs with tulpas that control their masturbation habits
>mfw have tup that doesn't care whether i masturbate to porn or not

>>8453460
it's almost as if one of them is a bad meme

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>>8451961
That's why you get hip wings

>>8452883
(you)

>>8455066
See, now you're gonna have a fucked up time trying to take your shorts off. Having a tail is a pain in the ass as-is.

Also, we need to finish that game.

>>8455770
>pulling your shorts up over your hip wings
I'm not even a tulpa and I'm smart enough to figure wearing a pullover skirt is the best case scenario for weird lower-half bullshit goings on. Coming from someone who used to have a naga and currently has a centaur-like spider anthro for tups.

mods are asleep, post tips on how to make a tupper

>>8457673
force a lot

Shout-out to those with adorable tulpas. You know who you are.

>>8458121
obnoxious tulpas are better

Anyone got a working discord link?

>>8459162
Obnoxiously adorable tulpa masterrace.

>>8452474
Often when I'm laying on my back, she'll come over and lay down on top of me. I give her a hug and kisses, then scratch her back while she cuddles up to me, and I'm always sure to tell her I love her.

>>8459966
https://discord.gg/FfMa5

>>8461411
Pony anatomy is made for comfy cuddling on top of humans

>>8462333
>tfw you wake up and her muzzle is resting on your shoulder
qt

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bumping with tulpa

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>>8463770
Your tupper has nice taste in form.

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>tfw your tulpa wants to communicate with other tulpas but you suffer from internet anxiety and the only path left is for you and your tulpa to commit Sudoku together

>>8463674
I pity those poor souls who don't know the level of comfy napping with a fluffy pone tup brings.

>>8465228
Was nice knowing ya.

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>>8465228
>mfw I've had many depressive and suicidal thoughts, especially as of late but I push on for my tulpas

You can try the discord server and front only your tulpa, a lot of hosts tend to do that.

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who here has a T H I C C tup?

>>8467639

Only when she wants to be. :^)

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>>8465643
Remember everyone join the Discord server! Its much better to post in here then give the thread activity.
https://discord.gg/5t2Na

>>8455770
You just take your shorts off like normal, it's not like it's even possible to put them over wings or anything.

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>>8469196
Quit pretending to be me, that's also not even a link to the server.

>>8471122
Then where is the real discord link then?

I'm simply curious and very unsure about going through with this. I never lurk /trash/ normally, leave alone the tulpa general.

Is this an advanced form of imaginary friends? With a little more dignity and effort? How do you and your tupper feel about the term "induced schizophrenia"? Have you experienced any mental or physical issues after creating your tup?

pls respond, this is killing me
also pls be honest, and not mindlessly shill something because you like or don't like it

>>8472039
>Is this an advanced form of imaginary friends? With a little more dignity and effort?
Yep, pretty much, as well as possible but not unwelcome permanence and optional immersion.
>How do you and your tupper feel about the term "induced schizophrenia"?
lol I think it's silly, my tup is more concerned but I'm pretty optimistic of this not being the case
>Have you experienced any mental or physical issues after creating your tup?
Admittedly yes, but nothing that was a direct result of tulpamancy. Other than the headaches, of course, but the brain is a muscle and muscles get tired. Or maybe it isn't the tulpa shit and it was seasonal allergies idk.

>>8472039
>Is this an advanced form of imaginary friends?
Yes.
>With a little more dignity and effort?
Don't come here looking for dignity. You will be disappointed very quickly by this community.
It takes effort though. More than a lot of people are willing to put into it.
>How do you and your tupper feel about the term "induced schizophrenia"?
People who use this term don't know what schizophrenia is.
>Have you experienced any mental or physical issues after creating your tup?
Yes, of course. But nothing that happened because I created my tulpa. In fact, my tulpa helped me deal with stuff rather than cause it.

>>8472039
Yes, you drop the childish pretense and sub in something that convincingly resembles another person to the point where the distinction between whether a tulpa is "real" or just a delusion is pretty much meaningless.
"induced schizophrenia" is as hideous of a misnomer as saying speaking regularly is "induced tourettes".
My host is pretty much the same as he was 5 years ago.

>>8472696
>don't know what schizophrenia is
im pretty sure I just don't understand tulpamancy
>helped me deal with it
i don't understand this either. how does your tulpa communicate with you/vice versa?
>>8472705
i seem to have ruffled some feathers with that term. im sorry, just trying to understand how all this works before jumping into a commitment I might not be ready for.
>>8472299 (dub dubs)
>unwelcome permanence
ill take this to mean that you don't have (((complete))) control over your tupper. Do you have control over this, to some extent? If yes, to what extent?

Thanks for your time and patience in replying to me :) I simply want hands on understanding of the concept

>>8472039
"Advanced form of imaginary friends" is a good way to put it, although "advanced" is kind of vague. Maybe more like "automatic", instead.

Neither me or my tulpa feel there is any use to the term "induced schizophrenia", mostly because it doesn't have anything to do schizophrenia. Tulpaing shares the same relationship to schizophrenia as it does to something like Dissociative Identity Disorder (that is to say, it has some outwardly-similar things, but isn't at all related).

No mental or physical issues. If anything, mental problems (depression, for example) have improved.

All of this would be self evident if you did a bit more lurking.

>>8473626
"tripfags with schizophrenia" is a bad and old meme around these parts, mostly spoken by people who like to stigmatize things they don't actually have any concept of.

Regarding your other questions, there's this:
A tulpa communicates in mind voice, the same way you internalize thoughts/thinks you're reading, etc.
Regarding how much "control" you have over your tulpa, it's pretty much as much as you feel comfortable.

>>8473626
>im pretty sure I just don't understand tulpamancy
Tulpamancy is like having another person in your head that can act as independently as your own personality can. You can talk to them in your mind and do all kinda of things with them in your mind too. Getting them to appear in the real world is very hard work, so hardly anyone has done it.
They can also take ovee your body, but only of you let them and practice it beforehand.
How much control you have over them depends on you. But typically, you want to give away control because the less control you have, the more real they will feel.

A tulpa can help you deal with your problems by being a personal therapist. They tend to know you incredibly well and only have the best intentions, so you can vent pretty much anything to them.

>>8451961
This is why you have levitating ether-ghost wings that aren't connected to your body. All the fun of having wings (flying, emotional expression, etc) with none if the physically constraining hassle. My wingspan is probably about 7ft fully stretched and I have no difficulties at all. They can either be neatly tucked away or "poofed" until later.

Physical wings are for plebs.

>>8474472
>Getting them to appear in the real world is very hard work, so hardly anyone has done it
Really? I mean i knew it was hard but I figured at least more than "hardly anyone" of you had done it.

>>8474951
Yes, really. But practicing visualisation in your mind takes much less effort and my tulpa at least finds things very comfy in there, so it is fine.

>>8474472
From what I see in these threads there's quite a couple of people who have gotten them to appear in the real world. The folks with pony tulpas come to mind for example.

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good morning tulpa general

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>>8477011
Good morning to you and those lovely dubs.

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dead thread

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Long ago, in a distant thread
I, AKU, THE SHAPE SHIFTING MASTER OF DARKNESS
unleashed an UNSPEAKABLE EVIL.
But, a foolish Tulpa General, wielding some magic dubs, stepped forth to oppose me.
Before the final meme was succ'd I
TORE OPEN A PORTAL IN 4CHAN
and flung them into the /x/, where MY EVIL IS LAW. Now the fools seek to return to the /trash/ and undo the EVIL that is AKU.

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Is the Discord server alive?
I don't use Discord but I like seeing people talk about tuppers. Wouldn't mind making a Discord account if the discord is actually alive unlike this thread.

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Bumping

>>8478041
Yes, but it's mostly alive with shitposting and blogging.

>>8476319
That's more of a pseudo-imposition. Not an actual hallucination, but more of a kinda forced imagination into real life with comfy feelings attached to it.
Kinda like when you imagine a pizza in front of you and try to smell it. Except that your tulpa can just pop in by themselves.

>>8478468
Imposition is being able to see/hear/feel your tulpa, so it's not pesudo-imposition, it's just imposition.

>>8478468
That sounds like imposition to me. And this would still make it somewhat prevalent around here.

>>8478605
Generally speaking, the golden goose is audio/visual imposition. Astoundingly, the brain isn't so cool on you seeing things that aren't there as sight and sound are your primary survival senses.
Most people can impose on their lesser senses with a few months of practice, though.

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Do any of you have servitors?

Servitors can be like tulpas who you dont need to spend time with and can speak and appear sentient, but can bend to your will and do whatever you want. It can be quite fun.

pic related, one of my servitors

>>8478865
How can you be sure that it's a servitor and not actually just a shackled tulpa that's been made to live as a slave?

>>8478894
a thoughtforms sentience is like a gradient. As tulpamancers, we learn to treat a thoughtform who is on any part of the gradient as sentient to encourage growth and sentience. I don't spend time developing them, and i imprint false memories and put them in stasis a lot of the time, and make sure they don't grow too much. if they do i just ignore them. How?

If you make a seperate wonderland or detailed paracosm like me and make them think that that is where they actually live, it is easier to bend them to your will, essentially you act as a god figure and tell the servitor you are god. You can also keep them there, tidy and away guilt free.

>>8413110
how ta'fuck do people do this
i have tried
i have failed
how do you do it

>>8479116
add me on discord, i can help you

autism#3821

>>8479162
i don't have discord so
fuck

>>8478865
That's not what servitors actually are, you know. At best, they're personified habits. You're describing a slave.
>>8478967
a false paradigm is still not good justification for something like that. You're justifying slavery by saying "well I've done a really good job convincing them they're a slave". If you feel the need to fuck things that aren't sentient, you can always just make a dummy form that doesn't actually do anything.

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>>8479116
Think of a concept for a person you want to create to be with you forever.
Force.
Visualize.
Audio.
Meditate.
Repeat until you see results.
Oh, and don't expect it to be immediate or easy.

>>8479186
make one???

>>8479190
been trying for like 2 weeks now and fuck all has happened
>>8479199
too lazy
i know sucks to be me

>>8478894
Servitors are basically video game AI. They lack self-awareness and the ability to act outside what they're pre-programmed to do. They are nothing like tulpas, which are/appear to be self-aware and sapient and have permanence. If a servitor does not fit the qualifications for a servitor, it is a tulpa, and you dun fucked up.

>>8478967
>Sentience is like a gradient
That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

>We learn to treat a thoughtform who is on any part of the gradient as sentient to encourage growth and sentience
False, unless .shitfo has been telling people that in which case DO NOT DO THIS, this is stupid and will lead to tulpas. See above descriptions on servitors and tulpas.

>Put them in stasis
If they were servitors, they wouldn't need to be "put in stasis". They would simply be able to be dispersed on a whim. They would have no permanence. What you're describe is a tulpa and what you're doing is arguably inhumane.

>Separate wonderland
you have ONE wonderland. It can be in separate parts, but you have one because you only have one brain.

>paracosm
Google says that refers to fantasy worlds like from books and whatnot.

>make them think that is where they actually live
If they're a servitor then they won't be aware of anything other than that world and will not truly be self-aware.

>It is easier to bend them to your will
Of course it's easy to bend a servitor to your will since they have no will of their own. They are whatever you want them to be because they do not think like hosts or tulpas.

>you act as a god figure
Someone needs to tone their ego down a notch.

>Tell the servitor you are god
You don't need to "Tell" them anything, as stated, because they cannot think for themselves.

>>8479222
If you're too lazy to make even a Discord account, I don't see you having any sort of success in tulpa making - or really any other endeavours in life that require even half the amount of dedication tulpamancy requires.

>>8479222
oh fuck i didn't read up on it first oh shit
i can't handle that type of responsibility

and saying that just made me realize that I would be a shit father

>>8479249

>We learn to treat a thoughtform who is on any part of the gradient as sentient to encourage growth and sentience
>False, unless .shitfo has been telling people that in which case DO NOT DO THIS, this is stupid and will lead to tulpas. See above descriptions on servitors and tulpas.

I wasn't saying that is how you make servitors, I'm making a point about how people make tulpas. They just treat servitors like tulpas until the servitor grows into a tulpa.

>Sentience is like a gradient
>That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

How? It makes perfect sense. Tulpas don't just come into the world fully sentient, they grow over time.

>>8478865
How do you make a servitor?

I was interested when I heard people make them to make the wonderland more lively and to help with real life.

>>8479329
>They treat servitors just like tulpas until the servitor grows into a tulpa
Not if they're doing it right. They treat the tulpa as nonexistent until they get a response. It's not sentient until it's capable of the qualities I noted. At that point it's a tulpa.

>It makes perfect sense. Tulpas don't just come into the world fully sentient
Except that is what defines a tulpa, a sentient thoughtform that is self-aware and has free will (or perceives the illusion of free will yadda yadda mickey mouse.jpg). Your tulpa isn't a tulpa until it's capable of everything the host is, mentally at least. Is it self-aware, capable of permanence, moving/speaking on its own, other stuff that I mentioned already. If servitor can do these things, it is no longer a servitor. There is no midway point, it is either a tulpa or a servitor. A servitor can become a tulpa, but it is impossible for the opposite to happen.

>>8479490
The best your'e getting is video game npcs. Servitors require no effort at all because the best they do is walk around like the people on the streets in GTA or monsters in an rpg. I have yet to meet anyone who successfully did that whole HUD servitor thing, I would argue that's more just imposition and doesn't quite qualify as a servitor.

>>8479490
They're bad and dumb, servitors are the worst holdover from meta bullshit we have.
>>8479545
HUD servitors are my favorite meme next to jackie chan tulpas

>>8479545
>They treat the tulpa as nonexistent until they get a response.

For them to be open to a response, they have to build up a presence of them being there, or a perceived presence.

>Except that is what defines a tulpa, a sentient thoughtform that is self-aware and has free will (or perceives the illusion of free will yadda yadda mickey mouse.jpg). Your tulpa isn't a tulpa until it's capable of everything the host is, mentally at least. Is it self-aware, capable of permanence, moving/speaking on its own, other stuff that I mentioned already. If servitor can do these things, it is no longer a servitor. There is no midway point, it is either a tulpa or a servitor. A servitor can become a tulpa, but it is impossible for the opposite to happen.

It is quite possible. The possibility of tulpas dying off due to a host ignoring them proves this point. Yes, they can regress. Servitors can exude tulpa like qualities, and as they go on, they grow, it isn't black and white, as the mind is very complex. You are really oversimplifying the process.

>>8479602
After a certain threshold, a tulpa doesn't need host attention to sustain themselves.
Either way, being predatory towards underdeveloped tulpas (which are not the same as servitors) is an ethical black hole.

>>8479602
>They have to build up a presence of them being there
No they don't. It's not hard to see the non-tulpa as just that; a non-tulpa. And that's what they are. They aren't servitors, they aren't some proto-tulpa nonsense, they're like a car without an engine. They are literally non-people and not even worthy of being compared to video game AI until they meet the criteria of being a tulpa.

>the possibility of tulpas dying off due to a host ignoring them proves this point
Except tulpas are capable of permanence without the host's intervention after a while. It might be true for tulpas who just gained sentience that they would cease existing, but that's like expecting a baby to just grow up and survive on its own without food. Servitors cannot exude tulpa-like qualities (self-awareness, knowledge of an outside world, etc) because once they pass that threshold they are a tulpa, not a servitor. You're trying to convince someone that there's something other than servitors (video game AI at best) and tulpas (thinking beings on an equal playing field to you or I).

>>8479724
So, what you are saying is that writing a story that has characters in it is unethical?

I know tulpas can permeate after a certain point, but young "tulpas" can die. At what point do tulpas permeate, though? It's different for everyone, and it fundamentally (like a lot of things in tulpamancy) runs on belief. If you believe your tulpa holds sentience and has a will and can survive without you, it can, if you believe the opposite about a very underdeveloped "tulpa", it works the same way. Most tulpas are solidified after 2+ years. Most.

>>8479786
So what you are telling me is no tulpa, servitor, or a tulpa? The notion that nothing is there and then it is suddenly there is preposterous. There is an inbetween. The model of consciousness we currently have described certain beings as being more or less conscious than one another. Beings can be more or less conscious than each other, especially if they are created and are fickle in the mind.

As a side note, regression is possible, i.e. egocide, shard seeding/feeding, etc.

>>8480022
Storybook characters are nothing like tulpas or servitors at all. When people talk about authors saying that their characters "spoke to them" they do not mean it literally, it is a figure of speech referring to the author essentially having an idea of what the character would say by thinking like the character.

There is nothing there in the beginning. If you start with form, it is an empty husk. If you start with personality, you're going to have a tulpa without a form initially. Generally, the latter is faster if you want a tulpa and can go without something to focus on. I did the former and I had 0 responses from my tulpa until I finished working on personality and form, so no, there is no in-between. You either have an empty husk (car w/o an engine) or you have the engine without anything to put it in. You cannot tell me that a human is more or less self-aware than another human, that is ridiculous. Egocide is a meme, and the only result I got for "Shard seeding" is some obscure website called Tulpa.io which seems to pretty much have everything ripped from the least-reliable source of tulpa related information, tulpa.info, or is full of shit that makes no sense (like "shards"). TL;DR you're spouting some tumblr-level bullshit and it's time to stop.

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>>8480152
>tulpa.io
>obscure

>>8480152
> ripped from the least-reliable source of tulpa related information, tulpa.info
Are you saying tulpa.info is the least-reliable source of tulpa related information, or am I reading this wrong?
English is hard.

>>8480152
Beings in the same mind can be more conscious or less conscious than one another, like servitors.
When you make a tulpa, most people do a good amount of parroting and puppeting, essentially making them imaginary friends, or servitors. They grow from you having to move them to them slowly learning how to move by themselves. The learning stage is an inbetween.

>>8480210
It's super obscure compared to .Shitfo and /r/tulpas (both of which are only slightly better than anything related to tulpas you find on tumblr but a giant turd with sprinkles is still a giant turd). It's like the worst parts of Tumblr's "multiples" community, /r/tulpas and .info came together and had a retarded baby that constantly spews shit out of its asshole. The first link in the "resources" page is to /r/tulpas and there's a link to a "plurality" discord which I can only imagine is full of tumblr snowflakes and retarded ledditors.

>>8480233
It is now, since the forums are full of 12 year olds who, in the words of Jaden, "collect tulpas like trading cards" and can insta-switch and other complete bullshit like that. The pastebin in the OP is a more useful resource than .info itself or its irc networks (which are run like nazi fucking germany by actual underage B& who regularly go on reddit-mod tier power trips).

>>8480280
Servitors lack a consciousness. If servitors have a consciousness then video game AI characters also have a consciousness. Anyone who does parroting or puppeting is doing it wrong and will likely just be fooling themselves into thinking they have a tulpa when all they're doing is talking to themselves. Clearly you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

>>8480323
There is more to puppeting and parroting than that. It seems we both approach tulpamancy a different way, but in my opinion, your method is absolutely retarded and counter intuitive.

>not developing a presence
This makes it easier for people to talk to their tulpa. If you talk to thin air with no direction, which it seems like you did in the creation process, it just makes it harder and its stupid.

>Anyone who does parroting or puppeting is doing it wrong and will likely just be fooling themselves into thinking they have a tulpa when all they're doing is talking to themselves

The brain isn't that simple, first of all, second of all, there is no wrong way to do tulpamancy, third of all, parroting and puppeting can be helpful in teaching your tulpa how to speak and move. Imagine a kid on a bike. If you don't give them a little push and help them, they will keep falling down. Parroting/puppeting is that push.

>>8480434
>This makes it easier for people to talk to their tulpa
Just make an empty shell, then do personality, then talk to your tulpa-to-be until you get a response, which is the way that it was before .info got flooded with 15 year old roleplayers who could insta-switch and had 30 anime waifu tulpas.

>The brain isn't that simple
Post PhD proving you have a degree in neurology and your paper where you solved the intricacies of the human brain (which hasn't been done).

>There is no wrong way to do tulpamancy
The cancer that created the influx of underage b& who bullshitted their way into popularity. Anyone who says there's no wrong way is wrong. You're not going to get a tulpa unless you put in hours of hard work and effort and you're certainly not going to get one if you pretend to be your tulpa (which is what puppeting and parroting is). That's you pretending you have a tulpa.

>Can be helpful in teaching your tulpa how to speak and move
You share a brain, unless YOU don't know how to speak or move then your tulpa will inherently know how to speak and move once they achieve sentience.

>That bike analogy
Not relevant because of what I just said.

>>8444908
you don't know shit

>>8480542
Making the empty shell is still essentially speaking to a presence.

There are no wrong methods in which you do tulpamancy, unless they involve not doing anything, you are right there, at least.

I don't know the intricacies of the brain, I'm just saying you are vastly oversimplifying the brain and it's abilities.

Puppeting and parroting may be that initially, but it grows as you go on. It is essentially your tulpa learning to speak to you, you learning to hear it. Imagine a radio. The tulpa is sending signals to it, but you are only tuned on a specific frequency. You can direct your tulpa towards your frequency. I made it sound like they were learning english, but what I meant was them learning to speak to you on your level.

>>8480645
But there was absolutely nothing there, and absolutely no reply until sentience was achieved. I did not think of my tulpa as a presence, I thought of it as an empty shell. The form. That's it.

And I'm saying you're vastly overestimating the abilities of servitors.

How do you know it grows though? You'll never be able to possibly know if it's you pretending or your tulpa, which is why puppeting and parroting are both the absolute worst things you can do. Again, you tulpa KNOWS how to speak to you and KNOWS how to move on their own as soon as they achieve sentience. They don't need to learn because you share a brain and they know literally everything you know. You cannot stop your tulpa from learning what you learn or knowing what you know, and even if you could why would you handicap them or yourself during the creation process by doing that? It's idiotic and completely nonsensical.

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>>8480704
There is no middle point? No trying to get responses? Headpressures musn't be a thing, then. You make it sound like there is an eventual lightbulb turning on, but there's a reason they call it a process. Because you get scraps of responses, and them developing their ability to speak to you and your ability to listen, and them developing their sentience.

Parroting has downsides, but it has upsides as well. As long as you give your tulpa room to breathe and the benefit of the doubt, you both will move on from fearing parroting. Accepting your own responses as your tulpas' isn't a bad thing, people who don't parrot have thought mixing. Accepting it just giving your tulpa the benefit of the doubt and helping them grow, being livid about the "responses" just makes your tulpa feel inadequate and fearful of speaking due to the possibility of "doing it wrong"

>>8480801
I never bothered with any middle point. I didn't accept anything less than a proper response as a response. Also, I know several, several people who did not have head pressures so it's very likely anyone who has them is a victim of the placebo effect. That's exactly how it worked for me and several people I know back from the /mlp/ days (before the mentality you have existed). I had no scraps of responses, it came all at once.

You see, this mindset is the one that developed after .info became a cesspool, I guess because it was dying and they wanted more uses to pay the bills for their site. Before, I don't know, 2013 I'd say, nobody would say parroting or puppeting were good. What we have here is a generational gap I'd say.

As for just accepting it, that is not something that I as a skeptically-minded person can do.

>>8481117
I never saw it as becoming a cess pool, more of an evolution of mindset, because people realized that having to think about all the individual bones for your tulpa before imposition was stupid. Not saying all the "old" ideals were stupid, just putting it into perspective.

But we do come from different generations, I don't think we'll ever truly agree with eachother, but it has been fun getting to argue against someone with a very different mindset and giving the thread some activity

>>8481242
Honestly I took one look at .info in 2012 and said "lolno". They aren't even helpful on their IRC, they just bicker and have drama wars with people Whose (names) [look] {like} <this>.

I guess, but holy shit I was right about that discord server I talked about earlier. Someone from one of this thread's discords joined and said something about daemons and got a serious reply. Also the rules are "Mods are totalitarian dictators you can't question their decisions at all" and "be nice or we'll ban you" so it's a totalitarian hugbox full of delusional retards.

>>8480152
>When people talk about authors saying that their characters "spoke to them" they do not mean it literally, it is a figure of speech referring to the author essentially having an idea of what the character would say by thinking like the character.
Wrong. Characters responding like a tulpa response is a well known phenomenon among fiction writers. It's what gave me the idea to do this in the first place, years before the tulpa community existed.

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>>8481303
Yeah, I tried out the discord a few times, hated it. So many people have "ptsd" and "did" there and pride around their mental illnesses, it's a complete hugbox with shit memes, drama, and
>metaphysics
I'm assuming you are talking about the reddit one, I hate both the ultimate and the reddit one equally, however.

>>8481400
I'm talking about the one from tulpa.io called Wonderverse. It's full autism.

I wouldn't touch the reddit one with a ten foot pole, i don't give enough fucks about autistic ragefits and drama to care about whether you like or dislike ultimate

>>8481441
Never heard of Wonderverse, actually

>i don't give enough fucks about autistic ragefits and drama to care about whether you like or dislike ultimate

understandable

>>8481487
I mean, I like it there most of the time and my tulpas like it there but you know.

>>8481522
Who are your tulpas?

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>>8481631
HAHA IT WAS ME, DIO

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>>8439421

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>>8481647
More like NLDio.

>>8481647
that legitimately caught me off guard

Don't know much about you, but you seem like someone you would despise

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>>8481679
>

>>8481731
Oh trust me I do despise myself. technically I made 3 of them myself, 2 are servitors that gained self-awareness/sentience, the rest were made by other tulpas. None of them have the forms I chose for them originally. I want to die.

>>8481771
>letting servitors gain self awareness

this is like the one thing you're not supposed to do and you did it

>>8481771
Well I say "I chose" but you understand what I mean, none of them are their original forms and I'm too lazy to dig up images

>>8481631
7 anthro ponies and 2 anthro dragons
roast me

>>8481807
I did it twice. I mean it just sort of happened. Good news is my youngest is 3 years as of the end of January so I stopped circa February 2014 if I did that math right.

>>8481840
>ponies
>furshit
Did you choose those forms or did they, because if they chose them it's not your fault but damn they are autistic.

>>8481851
>furshit
aren't you the one with a toriel tulpa

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>>8480778
best tulpa

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>>8481874
What part of "none of them are in their original forms" don't you understand, hence why I added the "did you choose the forms or did they" part. I didn't choose a single one of these forms. I tried complaining it did nothing, so now i just have to stop caring.

>>8481881
Animal Crossing is a boring game.

>>8481938
well 6 of them they chose what they are now so does that only make me 1/3rd autist

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>>8481881
Bester tulpa

>>8481992
I guess so.

>>8482046
Garurumon is bro-teir, good taste.

>>8482064
so you just ironically passively hate your tulpa for choosing a toriel form or

>>8482101
yes ironically

>>8478487
>>8478605
I understand imposition as being able to hear and see it just like it was really there. Imagining something in front of you lacks that. It's not imposition

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>>8482136
but do you still hug her

goatmom sounds huggable

>>8482170
feeling them or hearing them is.

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>>8482206
maybe

>>8482196
>

>>8482196

you don't

>>8482196
I think you have a rare condition that disabled you from creating a tulpa and there is nothing you can do about it. Sorry pal.

>>8482259
Well yeah, but anyone can do that to a very small extend (like put your hand on a surface and imagine it is a boiling hot plate. Your hand should start feeling a bit warmer if you focus enough on it), so I wouldn't call that position just yet.

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>>8481647
i think i got 50 types of cancer by viewing that image

(not undyne poster btw)

>>8482397
imposition is just interacting with your tulpa using your real senses. visual imposition is thte hardest, touch is the easiest. i've been doing this since 2012, I know what I'm talking about kiddo.

>>8482421
damn i was hoping to give you 100 types

>>8482196
please dont

unless you have pedo instincts and this is the only legal way you can cope

Seeya in a bit /tup/. Just shit out a metric ass ton (heh) of blood. Going to ER.

>>8482276
>>8482397
>>8482686

If anyone needs any more proof that this board is reddit incarnate, there you have it. This is 4CHAN you stupid motherfucking shits. We have been (mostly) ironic pedophiles as a sociopolitical statement and experiment since day one. Fuck you. Clueless, pretentious, virtue signaling cunts. Look at this disgusting board. "Uuugh no pedophilia." Stop fooling yourselves. I spit on you

>>8482891

tl;dr

>>8482907
kys newfag nazi faggot

>>8482891
this. upvote.

>>8482891

#signalboost

>>8483026
"ironic shitposting is just shitposting"

>>8482196
Just like any other tulpae. Read the information posted ITT and use it just the same

>>8474951
It used to be more common to be trying for it, back in the /x/ days. Lots of us did accomplish it, myself included. These days, though, it's generally seen as not "worth it", because it requires many months of guided work, compared to more easy to execute method of interaction such as possession.
I still consider it worth it, in my own experience, but of course I would.

>>8482196
In your case, start with visualization

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>>8484351
>months
Try years. We're almost at 5 and we still don't have it mastered.

>>8482891
yeah but pedophiles should be hanged

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>>8482196
Disgusting.

>>8482454
>Imposition, kiddo
Are you even listening to what I am saying? What you said doesn't disagree with what I said, yet you are talking down to me like I am utterly wrong??

Rub that belly. RUB IT!

>>8493132
This is demeaning conduct and I won't stand for it

>>8481647
Why the HECK is korra so t h i c c? what's your excuse?

>>8481647
>>8493387
because he likes his tulpa...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPSCjnwD3gc

>>8494183
>>8494183
>>8494183

New thread, this one is probably going to reach the bump limits from posts having to keep it alive through tonight.