/tup/ - Tulpa Thread Teenager edition. >What are tulpas?

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repent now

>>7745029
>Can't say age
>5th year anniversary with tup
What the fuck did you start this when you were twelve?

>>7746274
But that's wrong, no matter how gay I've gotten I've never once wanted anything up my ass, I want to always be the one penetrating.

>>7746476
>gay
>isn't willing to take it up the ass from anyone

Stop being such a faggot

Let's try a topic of the thread to help things not start out dead.

How do you communicate with your crunchy gordita supreme? Do you just fully know each others' thoughts, or do you try to set up boundaries and unpredictability to increase the sense of autonomy?

>>7746949
Never, now bend over faggot.

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>>7746970
one way boundaries. also draw your tulpa faggots

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>>7747023

>>7747058
your tulpa seems like they're very 90s

>>7747058
top ten best anime characters

>>7747018
No, you need to learn some respect. Now spread those hairy unwashed ass cheeks you double faggot.

>>7747115
I know respect, its an important part of the career I'm shooting for. Now get ready for a reach-around you triple faggot.

>>7746949
>>7747018
>>7747115
>>7747219
It's time to stop.

This thread is dead because the only reason people come to this board is for porn.

Post tupper porn pls

>>7747814
This thread is dead because it's on a hidden board and contains an already niche community. It's a niche inside a niche that can't be accessed unless you know it exists. Also, the discord invites over and over have sent everyone who did know about this place over there, leaving this shithole to die if people like me don't bump it.

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>>7748465

>>7748609
That sure is one lewd tupperware.

>>7747023
Does your tulpa have a madcatz sponsorship?

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>>7747023

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>>7748465
obligatory

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draw your tup here

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>>7749565

http://www.strawpoll.me/12349582/r
>Half of all tulpamancers have one of the rarest personality types

>>7749746
most are private (I) imaginative (N) the (T) and the (F) are weirder, as most tulpamancers seem to have a lot of empathy, so the (T) is kind of out of place, but (J) makes sense, as (J) types seem to be more organized and disciplined, as you must be during the tulpa process

>>7746235
do people continue posting on threads once they're in /trash/
why isn't this the new old /r9k/

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>>7746235
Op don't you think that this Tulpa explanation is a bit too forward? I mean, people who have it, believe that tulpas can think and feel on their own. Saying that there are those entities that can do stuff on their own is a bit subjective. What u guys think bout that? Srsly curious.

>>7748665
i don't get it

>>7750224
If that definition is subjective, then how an outsider's definition not also subjective?

I would say that there is no objective definition of a tulpa. There is not yet any scientific objective data on what a tulpa is or how they work, just a myriad of theories. So in this case, we should present our own subjective definition that is agreed upon by the majority of the community. That's what's in the OP.

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>>7749565

>>7750224
"entities that can do stuff on their own" is such a broad definition that it literally fits human beans

the real best (and most accurate) way to describe a tulpa to someone unfamiliar with the subject without suspending their disbelief would be to say that it's "a meditation technique centered around creating and fleshing out an advanced imaginary friend"

>>7750954
>an entity created in the mind

i think you forgot that part, pretty much explains it well

>>7750954
>it literally fits human beans

Many tulpamancers find that the consciousness of a tulpa is analogous to the consciousness of a human. I don't see why this is a flaw in the definition.

>fleshing out an advanced imaginary friend

I don't feel that this is a better definition. What does 'advanced' really tell an outsider as a descriptor? I am not so sure they would glean that tulpas are autonomous, have their own thoughts, emotions and memories, or are capable of things like possession or imposition. Also the use of 'imaginary friend' has connotations of it being an object of unrequited attachment, like a comfort blanket or a waifu.

>>7750954
that's an accurate answer.
I wonder how many anons here thinks like that.

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Hey guys check out my new tulpa

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>>7746235
why are tulpa threads so comfy? I dont have a tulpa, but I always visit your threads to see how everyone is doing.

>>7753427
Because everyone is nice, because we spend so much time (or at least should) meditating with a good friend, and we're here for nice reasons.

>>7746235
Saved

i'm dirty dan

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>>7757188
im dirty dan

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>>7757199
I AM DIRTY DAN AND ALL WHO OPPOSE ME SHALL BE COMPLEATED AND THUS SERVE ME AS THEIR PRAETOR

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>>7757199
>>7757238
>>7757188
There's frankly only one Frank around here, to be frank. I wanna die.

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>>7757346
I don't know what the frank you're talking about but I think frankly that I want to franking frank my frankenstein until I frank buckets

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>>7757378
Stop.

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>>7757238
>>7757346

I'm dirty dan.

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>>7757420
THAT'S IT WHERE'S MY CONTAGION OIL YOU GON BE COMPLEATED MY MAN

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>>7757420
>>7757442
Steph Curry my ass.

>>7757478
Who hurt you, Frank?

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>>7749565

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why cant we go back to /x/ or /mlp/?
Also discord invite pls

late bump before bed

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>>7758253
>he asked for a discord invite again

I actually don't know why they stopped handing out invites but thank god they did. It proves they've become the circlejerk they said they wouldn't be.

>>7758589
>let's make a new place to talk about tulpas on 4chan to get away from the bullshit of reddit and .info
>sweet, now let's immediately throw away the whole point of doing it
How anyone used that shit I will never understand.

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I'm curious. Do any of you fuckin' bastards actually go outside and do shit with your tulpa? I just have this feeling that you just sit inside and watch porn all day in a dark room while your tulpa begs you to feed them attention.

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>>7762093
I'm not tugging on old rusty here all day, we go outside and we have a lot of fun exploring new areas I haven't been in before.

>>7762093
I ride bikes.

with them

>>7762093

Been too busy with house an car work to really explore right now. We'll (hopefully) be going on a trip next Friday, though.

>>7762093
Take them to the store and let them pic out some decor that they like. Skate around and explore with them. Just hang out and walk around. It's been pretty fucking cold though.

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>>7762168
>>7762232
>>7762237
>>7762408
Well then. Maybe there is some hope. Who here is less than 20 years old? As more teens between the ages of 12 to 19 join this community it seems to grow more cancerous. You know the ones I'm taking about, right? These kids with 10 tulpa they "made" in like 2 months. They're all fuckin' anime girls or something equally cancerous. The most terrible ones are the ones that have a tulpa for 2 weeks, say it can talk, and that they can see it perfectly. C'mon man, you're not fooling anyone. You just wanna be part of the club, right? Be honest.

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>>7762602
I'm not looking to be a part of any club Frankanon, I just want something to help me cope with this crippling depression, stress, and anxiety.

>>7762602
Am under 20.
We converse a lot Franku. I made a tulpa because loneliness and all the cliche things. Don't want to fit in either, whats the point in that? This isn't about fitting in. I just want a companion. Uno tulpa is enough for me.

>>7762602
Reminder to everyone in this thread to cease usage of this website immediately if you are under 18, failure to do so is a violation of the rules of 4chan.

>>7758253
Both of those boards are cancer and one is for a niche interest. /trash/ is the ideal board for Tulpa discussion because it's hidden and filled with lonely but dedicated autists.

I'm worried about developing my tulpa too much. It will almost definitely become much more bold and adventurous than me, and with how I am now I'm afraid that I would disappoint it. And if I made a tulpa that's "content" with me being a depressing wreck, then I'd be no better off.

I know I have to leave my comfort zone, but I can't bear to even let an imaginary person down. Which I guess is part of the reason why I want an imaginary person who can help me become stronger, anyways.

>>7763231
Don't worry. I am sure she will understand that you have your limits and can't just do everything she wants. She will just slowly push your boundaries.
Remember that tulpas know you in and out. They don't just become disappointed like random humans.
At least as long as you don't force them that way.

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>>7762628
As someone who has been depressed to the point of strong suicidal thoughts I can tell you this much:

Just do something, anything, from repairing something to going to the gym, helping an old neighbour lady get her groceries to the car shit like that will boost your confidence.

Labour, because not only is it good to have some dosh handy labour creates the sense of accomplishment no matter the kind of labour it was that needed to be done, you were there to do it and you got it done.

Lastly, find at least one healthy hobby (No alcohol, drugs, whatever) that does NOT involve the use a computer or other media machine.

It sound almost too good to be true don't it?
Trust me, the key to happiness is self-improvement.

Hope this helps,

With kind regards from another anon

also p.s.: don't wank as often, you don't need to quite just try to keep it once per week or once per two weeks.

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>>7749565
>someone takes this shitpost seriously

>ahh so you feel like a publick enemy?

>>7762602
So is your tulpa actually based on Joji?

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>>7764916
What if it was?

>go out into living room
>mom is watching some hospital show or something
>they mention tulpa
>slowly walk back

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>>7762602
>10 tulpas they made in 2 months
what the shit, link?
as for >fuckin' anime girls or something equally cancerous i mean what am i supposed to do gas my tulpas because they want to be weeb trash thats murder frankanon

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>>7767427
I don't have actual links but it happens a lot. That was a bit of an exaggeration but it seems like these kids make tulpa so fast these days. Maybe I'm getting old, I don't know. It's just a little hard to imagine that a practice that used to take discipled monks years to achieve can be done in a month by a 14 year old with an Asian fetish. Call me a skeptic. I don't care. Just maybe put actual time and effort into this shit before saying you have a tulpa after a week and it'll be more believable.

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>tfw I haven't forced in so long because of external factors + laziness that when I make an honest effort to do it I literally can't do it for even ~10 seconds

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>>7772002
Go force you lazy fuck. How can you be so lazy that you can't even sit still and think of something for even a few minutes?

>>7762093
All I do is work and sleep at this point but my tulpa makes doing what I have to do more bearable.

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>>7768954
it's not the same thing, monks make reflections of themselves for introspective and self-improvement purposes, people here make (at the least perceived) independent beings who think and feel on their own for various reasons (usually being lonely neets but sometimes for self-improvement) but i get your point. also it gets progressively easier to make tulpas, and tulpas can make tulpas faster than you can. don't ask me how right now because i just got back from spending 4 hours packing shit up in a house that needs to be cleared out and dragging it up a gravel hill driveway into a couple of cars and i'm fucking tired, but i'll be willing to talk about this serious shit tommorow when i've had a good meal and a good night's sleep. my best guess is A) the more tulpas you make the easier it gets, B) because tulpas are tulpas them making tulpas is even easier and c) having a very strict forcing regimen and sticking to it is super important like you can't slack off, hour a day or no tulpa for you m8. 2 hours on the weekends unless you're a pussy faggot.

>>7765209
Anyone have an idea what show it could be?

>>7757238
MAKE ME THE IDEAL DAN

>>7765209
I saw the same show that my mom was watching. Googled Medical show tulpa and Chicago med season 2 episode 13 popped up.

Can I get a Discord invite?

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I'm having trouble understanding how some people here do 30min - 1 hour forcing daily.

I've been with my tup for nearly three years now. She's vocal, sentient as far as I can tell, relatively well imposed, and we basically stick together throughout the day.

We used to have very regular forcing sessions earlier on (when she wasn't as vocal/imposed), but today there's not much time and I kinda feel bad about that.

I just don't get what you people do during an hour's length of forcing. Care to explain a bit?

>>7774737
https://discord.gg/deepdarkfantasy

>>7774982
It says it's expired, could you please make another invite?

>>7775121
https://discord.gg/N1gG3R2

>>7775177
Nevermind it Anon, somehow it gets expired in 4 fucking minutes. Nice dubs though.

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>>7755185
Im here to conquer the world with mine

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Daily reminder that avatarfagging is a sin, and sinners must be purged at all costs.

Daily reminder to hug your Hosty tight and tell him that you love him with all your heart.

Daily reminder that a mana injection a day keeps dissipation away.

>>7776525
You are talking about feeding your semen demon, right?

So weird

>>7774820
Usually I'll sit comfortably with some sort of music playing in the background. Either ambient music or something I enjoy that's kind of calming. I'll talk to my tulpa, interact with them, and share how my day went vs. how theirs went. I'll focus on whichever ones individually want to speak or interact, and I'll do so with minimal effort because I've been doing this so long it seems almost second nature at this point. Before I know it, an hour will have passed. Sometimes I'll put on an entire album or playlist that's an hour or longer, and won't stop forcing until the album or playlist is over. It's a less conscious way of marking time while I'm forcing. The more you do it, the easier it gets.

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>>7775994

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>>7775994

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If you're under the age of 18, you should not make a tulpa. Your brain has not finished developing yet. You don't have an accurate understanding of what the world is like outside of school. Most importantly, you haven't developed the emotional intelligence necessary to take care of another sentient, human-like entity.

If you think I'm being prejudiced: fuck you. You're not going to stick around any way so I don't want to see you here in the first place. I'm sick of seeing edgy teens with half-hearted interest spend most of their time shitposting with their other teenage friends of creating productive discussion. I'm sick of seeing them create endless amounts of drama over trivial things. I'm fucking sick as hell of them creating a half-sentient companion that they eventually stop giving a shit about once the novelty wears off.

So in conclusion, go back to playing video games, masturbating and watching youtube. Leave us alone until you get some real world experience, you fucking jizz-mops.

>>7779166
You don't understand how hard life can be for some people, fuck off.

>>7779166
but i'm 24 and i spend my time shitposting, sometimes my tulpas even shitpost

>>7779166
Damn Bill, I agree that's its a terrible decision but that's what I ended up doing and we turned out fine...eventually. Still got better and that's what counts.

>>7779166
I discovered tulpas when I was 16 and I actually waited until I was 18 before starting to make one.

>>7779166
also, your brain doesn't finish developing until age 25-28 depending on whether you're male or female so technically if you're a millennial you shouldn't have a tulpa at all by your logic.

>>7779166
He's right. I can't tell you how many kids I've seen make a tulpa, get it to sentience, and then fucking forget about it once the next trend comes along and they let them die. Adults are guilty of it too, but not nearly as many as far as I've seen.

>>7746249
That's pretty good

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>>7779166

>>7779997
DAMN IT SO CLOSE

>>7779166
There's no proof that FAQman and Irish weren't 15 when this thing blew up in 2012 and they spammed it all over /x/

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What are some things that remind you of your tulpas, anons?

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>mfw heart skips beats on seeing 3dpd and stops doing it with my tulpa

>>7783485
what are you even talking about?

post forcing music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crVgAaYWehE

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>>7785231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8566UtalG_o

>>7783464
Zelda, Anime, Ninja Sex Party, Loli, MLP, Filthy Frank.

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>when u play a gig and it tup is in the audience

>>7785231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESBXOOMi7SE

>>7786953
your*

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>>7783464

Reptiles
Beach sand
Sea breeze
The colors and smells of lilac and lavender

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If you don't drift with your tulpa what the fuck are you doing with your lives?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12377831

bumping thread because it's dead as fuck

Post little known bonuses of having a Tupper. I'll start:

There's always someone to say "bless you" whenever you sneeze.

>>7746970
interpretive dance

>>7790339
There is always someone there to watch you masturbate.

>>7790339
>>7790459
there's always someone there to masturbate onto

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>>7749565

>>7785231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Xm7s9eGxU

>>7790459
There is always a pretty butt in reachable distance

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>>7785231

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU8HrO7XuiE

>>7779166
>Implying prissy faggot finearts teens have the patience to dedicate themselves enough to just force for even 5 minutes

Insomnia bump

>>7785231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfYnvDL0Qcw

I want to ___ the tulpa.

What is ___, /tup/?

>>7793314
cuddle

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>>7793314
love

>>7793314
milk

>>7793314
mindlessly rut

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How can people live without squeezing cute fluffy ears during an adorably satisfiyng and loving blowjob?
I know I couldn't.

>>7793811
I get by with head patting and a view that isn't bestiality.

>>7793837
>bestiality
But you're wrong. They would have to be animals for that to be bestiality.

>>7793907
Whatever helps you sleep at night, brony.

>>7793998
>inteligent
>one of dominant races of thier planet
>working society
>capable of communication

If ponies existed they would be classified as aliens, not animals.
It isn't really bestiality.

>>7793998
Ponies are perfect for being tulpas.
Ponies are magical beings that thrive on love and friendship. They have fairly simple that is easy to imagine, but can be given tons of details. Ponies tend to be extremly loving and want nothing but nice things to happen to everyone. At the same time, they are highly motivated to strive to become good at the things they love doing. That means they have a moral high-ground and the drive to keep getting better, which they can use to help their hosts as tulpas.
Also they are really cute.

>>7794342
All of those things apply to people-shaped tulpas.
Except fucking people is normal, fucking horses isn't.

>>7793811
by getting off the horsefucking ride years ago
and by not having a tulpa yet because I'm still trying to work out what the fuck I'm doing

>>7794434
Ponies are loving and kind almost by default.
With people, you have to get lucky not to find someone who isn't trying to screw you over.

What I am saying is, that while a human can be just as nice as a pony, ponies are implicitly kind and loving already, which makes them more likely to turn out as a nice and cute person, while people are pretty neutral to start out with.

Also having consensual sex in the missionary position with a pony will feel like the most normal thing to you once you did it a few times. They probably just make more cute squeaky moaning noises.

>>7794642
Except that is all invalidated by the fact you aren't actually importing a pony/person from somewhere else. All tulpas are loving and kind by default and their personality is completely independent of whatever you choose to see them as when you visualize them. It is okay if your fetish is fucking horses, just stop trying to justify it as being normal.

>>7794712
Well, that depends on how you define "importing a person".
People have made tulpas based on other people before, including body and personality.

Yes, they are not important the person themselves into a tulpa, but they are importing the "idea" of that person. For example, if someone loves to crack jokes and you make a tulpa based on them, then chances are that that tulpa will love cracking jokes as well. But it doesn't have to happen, since tulpas aren't actually that person.

So when you have watched the show and start creating a pony tulpa, it is very likely that you will take the general idea of what makes a pony, like being loving and kind and cheerful and all that stuff, and put it, even subconsciously, into the creation process, thus increasing the chance of them turning out nice.

>>7794712
What he's trying to say is that associations play a big role.
Can you make a friendly hitler tulpa? Of course.
Will it be harder than making a friendly tulpa with a form you have good memories with. Most likely.
Just remember most of us here are at least somewhat autistic, so ponies are good forms for us.

>>7794712
But pony form Tulpas are normal in the flow community.

>it's another pony tulpa are inferior episode vs. they're superior
Nah miss me with that gay shit.

>>7794807
If you truly are so creatively bankrupt that you have to copy an existing character in totality and wanted a pony personality you could have used some of the near infinite supply of humanized pony fanart.

>>7794834
Only from the /mlp/ thread rejects, there have been enough polls taken from this thread recently to show it isn't nearly majority here anymore, let alone on reddit and .info as well.

>>7794860
I think you are missing the point.
A pony is more likely to turn out like a pony because it looks like a pony and you associate feelings with their form. You don't even have to force a specific pony, but can force an oc you made yourself, and it is likely to still inherit certain characteristic pony traits, just because it looks like one and you know what ponies act like.

If you however take a pony personality and put it into a human form, then that human form doesn't tell you anything about how a pony acts.You have to take your knowledge about ponies and forcibly apply it to that human form in order for it to work.
Or you have watched so much humanized pony fanart, that it comes naturally to you, which just isn't the case for everyone who watches ponies.

That said, I feel like a lot of humanized pony fanart also takes influence from humans.
For example, they start drinking, smoking, swearing, and plenty of other stuff that you just couldn't see ponies doing. So chances are the same thing would happen to tulpas as well.
Although I have seen plenty of pony tulpas being totally okay with that kind of stuff anyways.

>>7795047
Are you seriously trying to tell me that you are incapable of association of a healthy personality with anything other than a pony and can't interact with your tulpa without the crutch of form, but are capable of the mental gymnastics required to make a tulpa in the first place?

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A tulpa can be anything that you want it to be. Arguing over someone else's choice in form makes you seem like the purest form of cancer. Just stop. It's embarrassing to the somewhat less retarded people here to be associated with you. You sound like teenagers arguing over which Naruto character is superior because of completely subjective opinions. Do you see how stupid you sound?

This is a prime example of why "form first" guides are stupid. Needlessly restricts the tulpa to a single form and shackles personality development when form is literally irrelevant other than as a tool to focus on.

>>7795288
as a budding 'mancer, I'm glad I'm focusing on personality first, even though I've got some forms in mind

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>>7795306
As a budding mancer I urge you to disregard anything you've heard in this thread so far regarding form choice. DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, not what other people tell you to do. These two don't have any idea what they're talking about. Take it from Papa Franku just do your own shit.

>>7795306
Frank doesn't even have a tulpa, don't listen to him.

>>7795367
oh yeah no I mostly just pop in to grab the guides and laugh at the drama I've already got forms and personality in mind it's just a matter of actually forcing and shit

>>7795385
ah conflicting information, how little I care

>>7795143
No. Jesus, I am just trying to explain a simple theory of mine to you, and you keep insulting me on a personal level, not even really adressing anything I said.
So I am going to break it down for you one more time in the simplest way I can come up with:

If you associate a certain personality trait with a certain form, then chances are that if you create a character with that form, that that personality trait will be present as well.

>>7790835
>he still uses the beauty I made
I miss your shitposting

>>7795419
Let me break it down. Instead of obsessively making a form you think fits the personality you want and linking the entire personality to what it "looks" like, you make the personality and form becomes a natural, flexible extension of the personality. Defining a tulpa by any one specific form only serves to restrict them.

>>7795711
I just take that you agree with me and took the opportunity to offer a forcing method that you like.

Out of curiosity: Both of you are claiming to have a loving, caring tulpa, so how and why are you angrily shitposting at each other? Surely if either of you actually had a loving, caring tulpa they would tell you to cut that shit out and spend time with them.

>>7795885
While at the beginning I just meant to jokingly gush about my tulpa, now I really just want to be clear about the basic concept I presented, but is apparently still misunderstood.
My tulpa doesn't approve of what I am doing. If it was her, I would have to quit 4chan entirely.

>>7795502
There was a lot of tension in that group, i didn't like it very much so i left.

The personality can be whatever you want just like the form can be though, right? Why give rules to how they should be? It's really up to the tulpa. If they don't mind being based on someone in particular, it's okay. If they don't like it, they'll change.

We should write something like 10 commandments of tulpamancy, so people stop arguing over such obvious things.

>>7795288
>restricts
you do know tha tulpas are completely capable of changing their form later on their own right?

>>7795306
form first is a great way to have something to focus on while forcing and doing the personality, the guy above doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

>>7796207
personality is a bit more important than form though because it is who they will be. like you, they cannot just miraculously change who they are, that comes with time and experience.

>>7795885
>you have to spend every waking moment with your tulpa
lolno that would drive us both crazy

>>7796070
I agree. There is. The mod team is working on how to fix it. I'll ping you if shit actually does improve.

>>7795288
Why would anyone ever focus on form first? You're going to get distracted and if you're really focused on the form then you're missing the point of making a tulpa and should go jerk off to cool down.

If you really need to, create a simple form as an avatar for your tulpa until they become more developed. Obviously have an idea of what their "real" form is like, but it would make more sense to have them be far along in terms of personality and consciousness (y'know, the things that fucking define a tulpa) so that they can help you with their form and you can make sure it's not getting in the way.

>>7797771
You don't get to decide how other people make their tulpa. Let people do it how they want, and are best able to. You're assuming that everyone has the same mental strengths as you and can produce auditory hallucinations more easily than visualizing a form in a blank space. Every person is different, and should approach tulpamancy however they feel comfortable.

>>7797771
Besides, tulpa are going to deviate anyway if they don't like the form you gave them from the start, so this is pretty much a null point.

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>>7797771
How else am i going to create my tulpa waifu if not starting with her form ;/

>>7797771
it won't get in the way unless you're a horny teenager

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bump

Have you and your tulpa ever worked with each other on crossword puzzles or word searches? Has your tulpa ever helped you with any kind of work?

>>7799506

We definitely love to work together. Very abstract things like math I usually do alone (though she likes to correct me), but we always have fun with history, essays- anything that sparks discussion.

She seems a tad better than me at puzzles sometimes. Also embarrassingly beat me at tic tac toe... multiple times.

>>7799506
Yeah we work to solve things all the time. Right now they're actually helping me create a new campaign for a group DM for. It's pretty cool, I gotta say. They can come up with scenarios and little tricks that I have trouble with sometimes.

>>7794808
>Implying I don't have good memories of Adolf Hitler

>>7799506
Yeah both at work and university she has helped me. She can remind me of little things I forget and sometimes we make bets to see who's right. Also she can do simple arithmetic while I'm doing something else which is helpful.

>>7799018
It'll get in the way in the regard that you'll have to simultaneously focus on form and function at the same time rather than fleshing out function and then putting form over it.

>>7800513
wrong. you make an empty shell and then put the personality into it.

>there are people here who don't want to fuck horse tulpas
Disgust

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>>7785231
bumping with sex

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Bumping with my D&D character.

Friendly reminder to go on adventures with your tulpa in the wonderland. Anything you can imagine, you can do.

>>7803399
remember to always check your tulpa's dubs when they get digits

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>>7803399
What if my imagination sucks? I can hardly even feel my tulpa's presence lately.

>>7803997
Git gud then. I dunno, work on your visualization and try harder to feel your tulpa. You actually have to put in effort if you want this thing to work. I know that sounds tough to some people, but it's a thing you've got to do.

>>7803997
Visualization and feeling their presence come with practice.

It's like lifting. The more you do it, the easier it gets. Then you can start lifting heavier and heavier things.

I want to understand something.
So form is simply a means to focus your attention and uses your sense of imaginary sight, right? Why do all of the guides push form as the ideal focus instead of something similar but with a different sense. Eg. Imagining the feeling of warm glow on your skin or hearing a gentle heartbeat or smelling faint perfume or even tasting salty coins and milk.

>>7804660
all guides don't, but it is easier to make a tulpa if you have something to focus on

>>7804704
I have never seen a guide that promoted focus using a sense other than sight, I have read at least 3 or 4 that implied form was critical.

>>7804738
well, focusing on another sense is imposition, not making a tulpa. there's no point in doing imposition before making the tulpa.

>>7804750
Closing your eyes and imagining what something looks like is exactly the same process as closing your eyes and imagining what something feels/smells/sounds/tastes like.

>>7804783
right, but actually feeling it is imposition. the point is, there's no point in focusing on those things because they're all tied to form anyway.

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>>7804867
>because they're all tied to form anyway
Can someone else respond to me.

>>7804962
you can't feel the warmpth of a tulpa that doesn't have a form because there's nothing there to feel
you can't hear a heartbeat because there's no (simulated) heart
there's nothing to smell because there's nothing for the perfume to be on.
form is important because it leads to a lot of other things like imposition.
come on now, simple stuff.

>>7805047
But you totally can, that's the whole point of imagination.

>>7804660
The reason is because humans rely on sight heavily in their interaction with the world. It is our most used sense, the second being hearing. Generally when you meet a new person, you see them before you experience them through any other sense. This is obviously evident in the way we recognize others from facial features.

By focusing on a form, we give our tulpas a sort of symbol that encapsulates them as a person. The form not only gives them a visual appearance, but also can become a part of their identity. What they look like can be a reflection of their inner self. Instead of a mask, it becomes their skin. It is their own version of a face that they use to be recognized with.

Once you realize that the form isn't merely just what they look like, you can begin to realize how it works as their body. In this way, their form doesn't have to be limited to merely just its visual components. The feeling of their skin can also be a part of a tulpa's form. The smell of their hair can be a part of their form. The sound of their legs swishing against their clothes can be a part of their form. All the components are there. It's just a matter of actualizing them.

>>7805185
but then why are you even asking any of this in the tulpa thread if you have no interest in making a tulpa?

>>7805208
I thought the point of a tulpa was a equal personality that you shared your life with, not a form you lock in your wonderland.

>>7805204
Thank you anon, this is what I wanted.

>>7805271
equal personality is a bit of a stretch, the most likely explanation of what a tulpa is is you've lied to yourself so hard you believe the lie.

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>>7805441
Pfff... fuckin pleb.

>>7805470
i'm just saying that's most likely since we can't really prove tulpas and you'd think by now someone would have done so if it was empirically provable.

>>7805587
Free will hasn't been proven, so how could multiple free will be proven.

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>>7805587
>being this new

>>7805614
exactly, of course by the same token [insert donald duck here]

>>7805637
>new
i've been doing this over 4 years.

>>7805662
In those 4 years you never brushed up on the countless philosophical arguments about the nature of consciousness and whether or not it's provable?

So are you under the age of 18 or are you just dumb?

>>7805441
How do you explain interactions with uncontrolled entities in dreams? If your unconscious mind can create something which acts outside of your perception, then why wouldn't your conscious mind be able to do the same thing with practice?

>>7805730
Philosophy isn't science, so unless you have a scientific paper to present that proves or disproves tulpas, the only answer you can possibly, honestly provide is "we do not know if tulpas are a fully separate consciousness because we (humans) have yet to understand what a consciousness is (if anything), but to the best of our understanding (scientifically) it is chemicals and electrical signals firing off in our brain in specific ways." It's better than "Lol tulpas are definitely conscious and capable of free will just like you!!!" Philosophy should not intermingle with science because Philosophy is "what if" and science is "what is" or rather, "trying to prove what is not, so that we can better know what is". Science is our best guess at what is and is not applicable to this universe, and if it cannot be tested it is not science. Tulpas cannot be tested and therefore they are not science, they are a pseudoscience at best and imaginary friends at worst.

>>7805755
We've (humans) have done studies on dreams, the best we can determine is that they are based on us (what we fear, what we know and don't know, are we stressed, etc).
They are, as far as science has discerned, not the same as a human being. The burden of proof is on people who have tulpas, not the other way around, and I accept that. It's unfortunate most of the community will not.

>>7805928
>it is chemicals and electrical signals firing off in our brain in specific ways

No, that's not an explanation of consciousness. That's how we believe brains to work on a fundamental level. It does not explain how these chemicals and electrical signals coalesce into creating the phenomenon of conscious human experience. Neuroscience, psychology or other sciences have all failed in empirically demonstrating what consciousness is.

>Tulpas cannot be tested and therefore they are not science

Then why would you imply that science has any role in explaining what a tulpa is? You say that all of it being a delusion is the most likely explanation (and therefore the best (love your use of parenthesis by the way.)) When really, you can't say anything is the most likely. You have no way of arguing this on purely scientific objective means.

Yeah, I know what you're thinking "Occam's razor." The simplest solution is always the one most likely to be correct, right? Well, the thing with that little heuristic is context. You want to think that everything in the world can be explained through observable interactions built from our understanding of physics. There's laws about gravity, about electromagnetism, about chemical interactions. However, all of these mean nothing when applied to making objective observations about extremely complex systems. Take for instance, the weather. After analyzing and measuring it for centuries, you'd think that humans would be pretty good at predicting it one hundred percent accurately, right? But we're not. Because weather is built off many complex interactions occurring on a global scale.

The human brain is an incredibly complex system. It's been called one of the most complex structures known in the entire universe. So by this reasoning, occam's razor has no place here. There's too few facts about a system too complex to pick out any explanation as the most simple.

>>7806408
tl;dr tulpas are in the realm of philosophy, stop pretending to ride on your high horse of objective scientific reasoning and get out

Can the "pony tulpas are the worst" shitposting come back instead.

Pony tulpas are the worst.

>>7750428
He's calling your OC catgirl thing overdesigned, anon.

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>>7806495
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>>7806426
Why should tulpas be limited to the realm of philosophy? There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting and/or trying to find a scientific explanation for tulpas. If you're going to just say "tulpas are philosophy we don't have to try and apply science to them" then you're just stifling what could literally someday create a major breakthrough in the world of science. Right now we have no way of determining what conciousness is, whether tulpas exist, etc. But we will someday. Look at what science is doing these days; it's making huge leaps towards curing things we though uncurable (AIDS for instance, scientists have created a countervirus that inserts itself into the AIDS-ridden cells and removes the AIDS from them. That's a very basic explanation from someone who is not a doctor, but http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/04/01/cure-for-hiv-possible-as-scientists-snip-virus-from-cells/ has links to the proper information so you can read it yourself), we're literally creating mechs like in works of fiction like Alien (although right now it's simply enthusiasts for the most part, look up US vs Japan mech battle), we carry around insanely powerful computers in our pockets the size of our hands. Someday, we are going to find out what consciousness is and how it works. It may not be in the next 10, 20, or even 30 years but someday we will and when that day comes, then we can scientifically determine whether we (humans) exist (as in, we aren't in the matrix or whatever you prefer as an alternative, I know philosophers prefer brains in jars), what consciousness is, how it works and then someone will try to recreated, which I suspect will be the first sentient AI. TL;DR, don't give up on science proving/disproving tulpas yet.

>>7806502
she's a shark

>>7806581
I meant right now. Right now they are in the realm of philosophy. They will also most likely remain that way for generations to come. We have no objective proof therefore all we can do is ponder.

I'm all for the scientific exploration of tulpas through scientific means, and I'd love for that to happen with an increased understanding into the nature of consciousness. Ask yourself, will this happen if everyone that had a tulpa believed entirely that they were simply delusions? Lies that we believe in?

Any way, right now making claims like one explanation is better than another is stepping into the realm of philosophy. That's just how it is.

LYRIC/LONGBOW GET BACK ON CHAT
QT TUPS AND QT HOSTS MISS YOU

>>7806495
Pony tulpas are the best. I weep for all those poor people who miss out on hugging a fluffy poner every day. If they knew what they are missing they would commit suicide immediately.

>>7806887
Give new link

>>7806920
you just need to log in, no link needed

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>>7806887
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>>7806929
>addressing people by name in this thread
fucking degenerates get out

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>>7806408
>Neuroscience, psychology or other sciences have all failed in empirically demonstrating what consciousness is
What did he mean by this?

bumping thread

>>7808814
Un-bumping

>>7806599
The fact that people can't tell what she's supposed to be proves he's right

>>7805928
There's really no purpose in fighting to disprove people that have or claim to have tulpas. Until we gain a further understanding of consciousness the only real way to prove or disprove their existence is by trying to create one yourself and seeing what happens. And then you have the argument of skepticism preventing you from doing it because tulpas are primarily a subjective experience.

Regardless, fighting about something on the internet is definitely not going to stop people from talking about it.

>>7806599
It's okay anon, I think your shark is qt.

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>>7806599
That looks nothing like a shark

>>7808262
He's one 100% right. Well the biological processes that are responsible for thought are starting to be understood science has zero explanation for how certain combinations of atoms arranged in specific ways can result in the experience of subjective consciousness. It's the greatest mystery of all, and I doubt science can ever solve it.

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Bumping with tank that is sex

>>7812185
Is your tulpa a tank?

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>>7812716
Nah, I just like to bump the threads with them.
However they have actually created and rode them around in the wonderland.

>If you count tulpas /tup/ probably has the highest percentage of female users on 4chan.
Just a thought.

>>7814876
Nah, it's still /cgl/. Even counting the people who claim to have 10 tulpas you wouldn't go far over like 70% max, while /cgl/ is at least 75% actual females.

bump it right in the bumping bump until it bumps everywhere

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Post fun stuff to do with your tup (other than sex; that one's obvious)

To start off:
[spoiler]Explore an undiscovered temple[/spoiler]

>>7817207

Go on pirate adventures.

>>7817207
Explore the wonderland, listen to music, kill things, create things...

bump threeeeed

So dead Jesus

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Dead like my tulpa
*CRAAAAAWLING IIIINNNN MMYYYY SKIN*

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>When you induce schizophrenia in yourself

>>7820648
That's like saying you go insane every time you go to sleep and lucid dream.

>>7817207
Hugs!
Talking for hours on end about how much you love each other.
Smooching that muzzle.
Going shopping together.
Writing a short story together.

bampian

>>7823695
How are we still alive?

Tell me about your wonderlands. What are they like? What do you do there? How expansive/detailed are they?

Right now mine is kinda like a castle keep, and I've been adding/removing parts and rooms to make sure it's concise and accomodating. I have a hard time focusing on even one room, though, so the going is slow.

bump, although I don't know if it's even worth keeping this thread up with such a low volume of discussion

>>7826380
I say the discord killed it.

>>7826435
What is the point of creating a chat for a 4chan community and then closing it off? Back when tulpa discussion was exclusive to /x/, the IRC channel didn't hurt anything. In fact, it probably made the community MORE active.

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>>7826435
>still memeing about the discord

Admin of the discord here, there's 9 other fucking tulpamancy discord servers that exist, 3 of which exist because some shitposters got banned and decided to make their own.

It's not our discord that's the problem, it's several of them and you can't really hold individuals responsible if they decide that the place is a most faster and convenient method of getting their questions answered.

In short, do some research you absolute fucking moron.

>>7826526
>3 of which exist because some shitposters got banned and decided to make their own.
if your shitty-ass discord didnt exist then those people wouldnt get banned and make their own

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>>7826543
Right well, I see you decided to miss the fucking point entirely and still be a shitposter who thinks discord servers ruin things when they don't.

Do you also go into generals and campaign for the artists and writefags to be gone and then bitch about why there's no content when they're gone?

>>7826569
>implying the discord produces any content at all
if you have such worthwhile discussions and topics in the discord then bring them in the thread you inbred shitnugget

>>7826569
you're right, it has nothing to do with discord

intentionally splintering communities and fostering an exclusive mindset does ruin things though

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>>7826569
>kids making discord

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>>7826622
>>7826635
>>7826643

Oh I see what's happening here, you're all shitposting to make any sort of discussion within these threads.

I won't bite, sorry.

>>7825501
I don't have a fixed wonderland, and I don't know if it is a problem but I suspect it is, sometimes It's a dark lonely bar underground, other times It's an expansive desert with gigantic ruins and finally there's times where I just like to see me and my tulpa in a cozy apartment on top of a skyscraper

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>>7826661
imagine putting yourself on such a metaphorical high horse that you dont want to get off because you might get the soles of your $20 loafers slightly worn out

>>7825501
Planetfag here. Might remember me from a previous tup thread. Working on a detailed map of one planet right now. I'll post it when I'm done. Might only appear in the next thread.

>>7797771
Same reason I prefer, when given the choice, talking to people face to face instead of on the phone or through text. Face to face is more vivid, there's a whole other dimension to communicate with, it activates a wider task network in the brain, and the memory of the interaction sticks much better due to having more associations to create. Trying to avoid having the liveliest kind of interactions you could have with your tulpa just because you're afraid to admit that personality and form is a two way street is one of the stupidest things I've read in this thread recently.

>>7826435
>>7826517
>>7826526
>>7826543
>>7826569
>>7826622
>>7826635
>>7826661
>>7826777
Discord discord discord discord discord discord discord? Discord discord discord discord. Discord. Discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord discord. Discord? Discord.

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>>7829433
What?

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>>7829655
nice dubs

>>7829433
>>7829655

good post

let's not talk about tulpas. its boring.

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Seeing that the thread is almost dead, you hold onto your hopes. You're filled with DETERMINATION.

>>7825501
Inherently linked with my dreams, as I've found out. But for concise worldbuilding I've done, it's essentially a single-floor home with lots of bedrooms down a single hallway, with two disproportionately large "rooms"; the library and cave. And also a hell sublevel filled with small imps and fire.

>>7832865
saging

>>7832879
sage is not a downvote

>>7833332
So close.
>>7833333

this thread is dead becuase there's fucking nobody, it needs a new mother board

>>7834126
Yeah let's go back to /mlp/ and get banned again.
Yeah let's go back to /x/ and get spammed with people making creepypasta.
Yeah let's go to /b/ and get drowned out by hundreds of threads about stupid normie bullshit

>>7834262
we can move to /sp/ or /his/ dude

>>7834299
how about /sci/

>>7834299
I can't tell if you're being retarded or not

how about we go to /an/ since we've got a lot of ponies

A tulpa really helps as a mental safety net. Even though I'm not very far into my current attempt, just thinking of it is like a reassuring voice inside my head (and helps me keep a constant idea of what direction to take with my tulpa's personality).

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>>7749565
mah tupper grls

>>7749565
wait a minute that couch

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>Lying on a discord server that I'm a girl
>Everyone believes me
>Even got some girl I met on omegle to do a timestamp to "Prove" i'm a girl
>Think I'm slowly making a tulpa out of this lie
What do

>>7835829
S-stop? Don't do that?

New thread:

>>7835860
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