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>>6200534

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Need comf for the coming week. It's gonna be a doozy.

If dubs I'm promoted to mod

>>6200584
I'm never gonna get dubs am I?

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>>6200534

>>6200611
cucked

>>6200611
What the fuck is dubs?

>>6200611
check mi

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>>6200583
bootleg comf

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We comfy now, Senor?

Forgive my drawing. Lack of experience and using a mouse.

I have a question I've always wanted to ask

For the people that don't regularly use 4chan, how the hell did you find /trash/?

>>6200734
I don't remember

>>6200734
The bunny appeared to me in a dream and told me of a magical place.

>>6200734
There are people here from somewhere else? Fucking why? This place is horrible

>>6200764
I have no idea why or how I came to reside in this place. I ask myself the same questions you do every day.

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>>6200702
We comfy.

And I can't draw any better with a mouse so its fine <3

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>>6200702
That's one comfy mammal. Maybe it's time for pencil and paper art instead of using a mouse?

If you're comfortable with leaving around physical evidence that you draw zootopia art, that is.

>>6200734
Not new to 4chan but I think I found /ztg/ through a reddit post of all places.

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I guess you could say he's...

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>>6200651

>>6200764
>>6200782
I remember being at /co/ like usual, then everything gets vague and fuzzy, and now I hang out here with absolutely no memory of actually migrating.

>>6200734
I followed the white rabbit to his hole. Never looked back ever since.

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>>6200734
>For the people that don't regularly use 4chan

I guess what triggered this was >>6200635 and other "basic lack of understanding of these threads" posts?

I normally assume it's just jokes but I'm slightly scared to think someone who isn't naturally from 4chan browsing these threads specially when it starts with the "fucking yourself with a rubber dildo with your deceased father baculum attached to your deceased father taxidermy to finally be close to him" stuff.

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>>6200812

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>>6200734
I wanted to show the artist on my team Weaver's style because I couldn't describe it in a way that made sense.

I saw that he was making Zootopia art, went to check /co/ for the thread, and didn't see anything.

So I posted a thread, and a reply came in to go to /trash/ before the thread was deleted.

>>6200852
Everyone starts somewhere I guess
When are these threads going to move on to floor tiles and Ohio as the fetish of the week?

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all tangled up on this thread. i'm so sorry

>>6200801
Yay!.
>>6200807
I believe digital art is easier than physical. Easy to make and fix mistakes quickly. But thank for the suggestion though.

Should i get a name? Or am i not popular enough yet?

>>6200734
I saw someone posting weaver's Late Stake on e621, and was stupid enough to try to leave links in the source, so the older ones were dead.

Then luckily, a new one was posted where the thread hadn't died yet, and found myself here in /trash/.

I've been here since just before the zoot parties.

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>>6200816
>>6200782
>>6200745
>>6200734
Perhaps you've seen it, maybe in a dream. A murky, forgotten board. A place where (you)s may mend your ailing mind. You will lose everything, once tainted. The feel of the comf. An augur of memes. Your past, your future, your very soul. None will have meaning and you won't even care. By then you'll be something other than human. A thing that feeds on degeneracy. A furry.

Long ago, on a shitty site, in the depths of 4chan, faggot Moot created a shitty board. I believe they called it /trash/. Perhaps you're familiar. No, how could you be. But one day, you will stand before its decrepit gate. Without really knowing why...

Like a drawfag drawn to (you)s, your posts will go unreplied to. Time after time. For that is your fate. The fate of anon.

>>6200899
Oh my god

I never knew your origins until now. That's really interesting, comic

also checked

>>6200864
>Agent Savage was found stuffed in a drainage pipe, killed by a blow to the right side of the head with a blunt object. As of right now, we are operating under the assumption that his cover was compromised. All agents should take appropriate precautions.

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haha remember this scene guys

>>6200932
I thought Hiroshimoot created trash
No way moot would allow any board other than /b/ to house furries, he's way too old school for that

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Jerboas are cute! CUTE!

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>>6200899
>Comic is here because of weaver
Thank you weaver

>>6200918
There's no rules against signing your own art, go for it.

I sign my stuff even though I think only one or two people would recognize it.

>>6200932
here's a (you) in advance

>>6200972
Mook did create /trash/, yes

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>>6200999

>>6200616
thats pretty cute

>>6200734
Weaver.

The answer's always Weaver.

>>6200993
Alright. I'll sign my future arts

>>6200986
A lot of people are here because of Weaver to be honest.

>>6200972
He did create MLP even if it was a containment board.

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>>6200986

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>>6200965

>>6200899
Weaver's art is shit why did you bring that garbage here?

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>>6200999
I didn't even try for a get...shit

btw check em

Dios mio, Is Weaver like, the king of /Trash/?

>>6201086
There's no kings in /trash/, Only faggots.

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>>6197233
Thanks for the plug man.

It's likely too late to say so, but the comic can be better found here for the time being: http://inkytopia.tumblr.com/tagged/comic/chrono

That said it'll be on my main blog in completion in about a week or two.

>>6198174
Hahaha, this is fantastic Nobby.

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>>6200651
Whose hand was on Sky(e)'s neck? It's too big for Jack.

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>>6200899
>even more 9s

>>6201086
Weaver is the guy behind EFG and RubyQuest.

He's the king of 4chan, or the closest thing to it.

>>6201086
Try king of 4chan.

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>Test

REMARKS AT U.S. CONFERENCE OF MAYORS WINTER MEETING, 1/29/1999
FIRST LADY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON REMARKS AT U.S. CONFERENCE OF MAYORS WINTER MEETING
CAPITAL HILTON HOTEL
WASHINGTON, D.C.
MRS. CLINTON: (Applause.) Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Thank you, Deedee (ph), for that kind introduction. Thank you for your leadership and the work that you have done on behalf of issues that are critical to young people and the future of our cities.
I am very pleased to join all of you. I know that you had a meeting searlier today at the White House with my husband. I know that not just because I knew what was on his schedule, but I could hear you. (Laughter.) The enthusiasm and the energy that was on display in that meeting just permeated the entire White House complex. And I think that's a good sign for the feelings that we have about what is happening in our cities, their promise, their growth. And it is very exciting for me to meet with the people who are leading the effort on behalf of the cities of our country. I also will certainly take to heart Deedee's (ph) offhanded suggestion that I join you again. I understand after Mayor Morales' description of what you're going to be doing in New Orleans, that you're going to be deluged with requests for people to be part of that meeting, and to enjoy some of that good New Orleans hospitality.
You know, the time in which we meet here in 1999 is really an opportunity for us to take stock of where wee are as a nation, the progress that we've made to celebrate it, to be grateful for it, but to look forward as well to the kinds of cities, the kind of country we want to have in the 21st century.
The work you do every single day on behalf of your cities is such that I know you're thinking about not just the present, although that is very demanding of your time, but what your contribution will be in your service to ensuring that our cities

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>>6201038
Was here on zoot before weaver posted, but I didn't hang around until The Late Stake was made
Gave up during >the happening, went back to my home on /trash/.
Noticed there were Zoot threads here, too, and I've been here ever since.

>>6201061
Aw, don't cry, ... whatever the hell you are. That anon is just prejudiced against animals that look like tiny watermelons.

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There are many who have worked with you who have really paved the way. But you are serving at a unique moment in history, and your presence here in our capital is a strong reminder that America needs its cities, and our cities need a strong partnership with the federal government. That is what my husband and his administration have tried to do, and I'm grateful for the support that you have given to those efforts.
Many officials from the administration have already addressed you and have spent time with you. But this partnership that has been forged between the administration and the cities of our country is one that must last far into the next century. It has produced tangible benefits for the people you serve, and we know it has produced benefits for the quality of our life together.
Many, many people have worked very hard with the president to create this partnership. But there are two that I want to recognize, and you know them well because of the work that you have done with them. And that is Mickey Ibarra and Lynne Cutler (ph). I thank them very much for their work. (Applause.)
I was also pleased to be announced into the room by Mayor Webb, who said to me "You know, I'd love to stay but I've got important business. My Broncos are in the Super Bowl," and he had to leave to catch a plane, and I bid him Godspeed, because after all, first things first. And so he is on his way.
I also am very grateful to all of you for the U.S. Conference of Mayors Award to spotlight outstanding city arts programs for at- risk youth. I understand that you had a gala last night and I understand that Mayor Riley (ph) was recognized, as well he should be for his leadership.
But I have been in many of your cities visiting many programs that have used the arts for many purposes. Certainly we now understand -- perhaps better than we did even 10 years ago -- how the arts can be an engine for economic development and opportunity.

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>>6200764
There's a r/Zootopia subreddit and an unofficial discord for said subreddit with a bunch of people.

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It is up to all of us to ensure that our schools and our cities provide opportunities for children from all backgrounds to both appreciate the arts but also to have their talents tapped into, so that they can make a contribution. We recently recognized a number of city programs around the country at a celebration in the White House, and story after story was told about how the work that was being done in these arts programs that many of you have supported and sponsored was making a difference between lives of hopefulness and lives of despair.
Young people learn differently. Not everyone learns the same way, and many young people have talents that would otherwise go untapped if they were not exposed to an arts program in the school, in an afterschool program and in a summer program. And so I want to thank you for making the arts once again central to the life of our cities and the life of our young people in those cities.
After all, what is a city but people? And throughout our history, we have seen cities come and go, we have seen them reach great heights, we have seen them fall back and be lost forever. But what we know is that hardworking citizens, citizens who have a vision of the future, have created the great cities of our nation and the world.
And within those cities, it is vibrant neighborhoods that really create the life that we look to when we think of a city. And you understand better than many of us in our country today the enormous challenges that cities face as we approach the 21st century. But you can also take great credit -- and I hope you will -- for what you have achieved in the last several years.

>>6201112
I don't see a problem with it.

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I saw some of you wearing a button about our cities being safer. They are safer, and that is one of the tangible results of the partnership between a president who understood what needed to be done to give you the tools and resources you required to meet the most basic need of any city -- making sure our citizens were safe from crime and violence. I want to thank you, because when we see those statistics come out, as we have now for five years in a row, that crime and violence is going down nationwide, we know that it is because of the hard work in the cities and neighborhoods of America taking the tools that this president provided, that is really making the difference. So I want to congratulate you and thank you.
I also want to thank you for putting education back in the very middle of our nation's agenda. You are making extraordinary progress in turning some of the toughest big city systems around, and you're making progress in continuing to work to ensure that medium-sized and smaller cities have the schools they need to prepare our children for the 21st century.
The president's initiative to put 100,000 new teachers in the classrooms really mirrors the initiative to put 100,000 police on our streets.

And they come from the same impetus -- that we understood very clearly when Bill ran for president that our police were both outmanned and outgunned, that we had to have more police, we had to have tougher gun laws, we had to have a Brady Law, we had to once again right the imbalance that existed between criminals and law enforcement.
Well, in our classrooms, we have too many children in too many classrooms overwhelming our teachers. It is very difficult when you have, as we do in many city systems - and not just our giant cities, but medium-sized and even smaller cities -- children coming into the classroom for whom English is not only not their first language, but who are part of classes where you have 10, 12, 50, 100 different languages and dialects represented

>>6201142
>>6201148
Holy shit, I'm obsessed and even I'M not this much of a faggot

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We know that we can only deal with this problem at the classroom and school level, and part of what the president's initiative is intended to do is to give you again the tools and the resources to make a difference in your school systems. We have to close the education gap if we expect our cities and our nation to thrive into the next century, and that means ensuring that all children have access to a quality education. And that's impossible to imagine achieving if there are so many children in the early grades that they cannot get the attention they need to get their feet solidly on the ground when it comes to learning English, reading well, being able to move forward in the education system.
You've also done a tremendous job in revitalizing our urban centers with economic opportunity, and unemployment is the lowest it's been. And we have certainly made good on the promise that was put forward to the cities that we would work hand-in-hand with you to make sure welfare reform was achievable. And we've got a lot of good success stories to point to. But I know and you know that there's still a lot of hard work to do. When it comes to welfare reform, we have to remain vigilant. We have to be creative and flexible in determining what works best. And because of the extraordinary economic opportunity that's been created in the last six years, we have taken care of large numbers of people who could be moved into work and we've had some very gratifying results. I was recently talking with one of the CEOs who's part of the president's welfare to work effort, and he told me how surprised he was at how successful they've been in moving people into jobs who were coming off of welfare. But you know and I know that there is a group of people for whom the easy part is over; there's a lot of tough work ahead to meet the multiple needs of people -- both medical needs, health needs, psychological needs, education and trainin

>>6200734
A person told me about /trash/ and I found the general on here.

Up until 2 weeks ago I had no idea this board even existed.

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We also have unfinished business when it comes to health care. And often the cities are on the front lines of determining what to do about this. Your partners in the counties are also often left with trying to figure out how we will cover people who have no insurance. And there is a lot of work that we're still going to need to do. But certainly making it possible for all of our children to have insurance coverage through the president's initiative, the children's health insurance program, so-called CHIP, is very critical to the health of the cities and their budgets and the counties as well. Because we know that there is a lot of uninsured, uncompensated care that is going to end up somewhere, or else we will begin turning people away.
Now, county hospitals, city hospitals have been the last resort for many people who have nowhere else to go. In the president's budget, we're also going to try to put in some funding that will help create more of a network among public health centers, city and county facilities, charitable institutions so that we can have a true health- care safety net. But you will have to be part of making sure that the proposals that are put forth are practical and workable, and we will need your guidance on that.
If we look at this whole range of issues, whether it is crime and violence going down so our neighborhoods and our parks are finally thankfully getting safer, or whether it is education and the challenge we face with our children, unemployment and economic opportunity in every poor neighborhood, in every Indian community - - everywhere Americans need that extra enterprise and assistance -- whether it is continuing the work on welfare reform, whether it is also focusing on health care so we are sure that we have a financially stable system that truly provides quality health care to all Americans, this is the kind of family agenda that is worthy of the American people that the president outlined in his state of the union.

>>6201187
...do you have any idea what kind of influence Weaver has had on the culture of this website? This isn't memery. The man shaped the face of the website.

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I think we have a special opportunity to focus our communities on the kinds of places we want them to be in the years to come, because we do stand at this unique moment. We're at the end of the century, we're at the beginning of a new millennium. Now, if we do nothing about that, it will come and go without any of our interference or even acknowledgment. The century will end, the new millennium will begin.
But I think it gives us a tremendous opportunity to take stock of who we are, where we are, and where we want to be. People around the country are beginning to really get excited about this end-of-century, end-of-millennium time period. Certainly there are reasons why we would have this occurrence commemorated, whether we did it on a community basis or not. There are going to be millennium products, we've got the Y2K issue we have to deal with. Some people are already planning their New Year's Eve parties and the like.
But part of what we hope that the White House Millennium Council can work with you to achieve is to really take this time and do more with it, to really focus on the kind of people we want to be and the kind of cities we want to have. What do we treasure in our communities? What do we want to preserve for future generations? What values do we want to bring forward into the next century? How can we define ourselves as citizens of cities, states, of nations, of world?
I think people are expecting something to happen, so why not harness this millennium moment and the spirit that it engenders for the common good? That was really the question that the president and I asked ourselves more than a year ago, because we saw this as a great opportunity. So we began working on it in the White House, and we put together the White House Millennium Council. And we adopted the theme "Honor the Past, Imagine the Future."
And the president has invited states and communities -- non- profit, Indian communities, corporations, public agencies

>>6201152
Hey this happened on my birthday

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>>6200734
I'm not new to 4chan per say, but I saw the thread a lot on my dig through /trash/ and decided to lurk on day.

Plus my friend was posting on it and it looked like everyone was having so much fun.

I'm 'newer' than some. Was an oldfag who stopped going very early in its run then came back about two years ago.

>>6201235
>>6201205
are you up to date on everything?
http://pastebin.com/n2g2hmWK

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>>6200734
Seeing Weaver's Zoot stuff on e621 for me as well was what brought me here. I've never been on 4chan before that.

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>>6201269
That's a lot of zoot for one general.

>>6201218
Yes, I do.
He did not "shape the face of the website"
EFG was not the only meme to exist, anon

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>>6201296
Travis is a cute.

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>>6201269
I've been here for a few months. I get more info from people asking the context of things, or people mentioning something to me that I've never heard about before. That's how I learned what pastor was.

I have skimmed that a bit before though. Looks like the info on OCs and CCs is outdated, but I think that was mentioned prior.

>>6201086
No, he's a subpar artist with good writing

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Last year the president proposed and Congress approved a $30 million Millennium Fund to save America's treasures. And that is an effort that maybe you've read about. I've been in some of your cities and in many smaller communities in the last year talking about it and trying to bring attention to some of the treasures that are literally in every corner of our country. I've had a wonderful time doing that. And everywhere I've been, I've met people who understand how critical it is to use this time to save what we value so that we do have values to bring into the future.
Our partners in this effort are the National Trust for Historic Preservation and the National Park Foundation.
Each of them have different responsibilities and different obligations under their various missions, but both are committed to helping all of us, working with the White House and working with you, to really bring attention to the treasures that we have that are worth saving.
And I was delighted because we had told the Congress that if they would appropriate a federal share that we could use in this effort we would match it. And I kind of took a big gulp when I said that. But at the end of this year, we'd already raised more than $30 million in private funds to go with the public funds that the Congress had appropriated, because there is a great outpouring from individuals, from corporations, from foundations and other institutions that recognize the significance of this moment to help save America's treasures.
What I have found in the places I have visited that a lot of these treasures don't just offer some kind of dry history lesson, but really give us a glimpse into our future as well. Visiting Thomas Edison's laboratory in New Jersey, for example, you could see the spirit of ingenuity that has fueled progress in America for centuries. Stepping inside Harriet Tubman's home in Auburn, New York, I could understand better the legacy of courage that she brought to the journey she made

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These are not only individual memories -- they are part of our national story. So I'm pleased that once again this year, the president's budget will request another $30 million to save America's treasures. And he's also recommending that funds be appropriated to ensure that the photographs and the paintings and the documents in our federal collection are available to all citizens on the Internet. This gives us a wonderful opportunity to reach out to schools and public libraries everywhere you live, to enable people who might no have the opportunity to travel to the Archives and the Smithsonian to see over the miracle of the Internet what is here and what marks our history. You know better than I that each community has unique resources -- treasures if you will -- that should be restored and preserved. Whether it's a town hall in a city square or even a city park or a monument, there is something there that you can use to help tech the people in your community about their past and ask them questions about the kind of future they want to be part of building.
I'm also pleased to take this opportunity to unveil a new millennium initiative, called Millennium Community. This is a program to bring official recognition to cities, towns, communities and Indian tribes that are planning millennium projects that honor the past and imagine the future. I'm glad that we've worked to develop this program hand-in-hand with you, the U.S. Conference of Mayors, and also with the National Association of Counties, the National League of Cities, the National Association of Towns and Townships, and the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Their leaders are here with us today, and I want to thank them.
In his state of the union, the president said "I want to invite every town, every city, every community to become a nationally recognized Millennium Community by launching projects that save our history, promote our arts and humanities and prepare our children for the 21st century."

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Now every community has a different way of approaching this. We've already learned from working with some of you. Some may want to launch a local effort to save a treasure, to raise the funds necessary to do so. Others may want to join the Mars Millennium Project, which is challenging schoolchildren around the nation in conjunction with NASA to design a community that they would want to live on on the planet Mars in the year 2030.
Some might want to join the Millennium Trails project, which we hope will build 2,000 new trails that will help us explore our environment and mark our heritage along the way. Richmond, California, for example, will celebrate its new "Rosie the Riveter Park," to pay tribute to the women who worked in the World War II shipyards. The people of Casper, Wyoming, will restore some of the important trails that run through that town, such as the old cattle trails that stretch from Texas to Montana. Minneapolis is planning to celebrate its heritage with snowshoe races and dog-sled rides through downtown. And Denver, Colorado is committed to preserving historic sites and districts.
In Little Rock, the students there will be learning about the millennium through a new curriculum in the city's public schools. And Canton, Ohio, will revitalize a six-block downtown area, the centerpiece of its millennium celebration. People in Seattle, Washington, are adding over 20,000 trees to that city's landscape. And Alaska is promoting cultural events that encourage Native Americans to draw on the wisdom of elders and the idealism of the young. We have some of those examples in this Millennium Communities handbook, which I hope that you will take with you, share with the people in your city and your staff, and look for ways that you might find suitable to pursue some millennium activities in each of your communities.

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We're also seeing a lot of interest in cities that are sister cities of those around the globe who want to strengthen their ties to their sister cities by promoting international cultural and educational exchanges. Chicago, for instance, is inviting foreign artists to visit the city and paint murals throughout its neighborhoods.
Today I'm also announcing two new tools that I hope will help you develop your own millennium plans. The first is the handbook, which I hope - we've tried very hard to make it so is a practical guide for civic leaders, groups, and individuals. Another tool is the new web site which Bell South, partnering with the U.S. Conference of Mayors, is creating. The web site for Millennium Communities will allow designated communities to share ideas and projects. And we hope that you will want to be so designated, that you will want to be part of this great national effort as we stand on the brink of this new century
You know, I've been reading a lot about what people were doing at the turn of the last century and even the last millennium. And certainly if you try to think back 1,000 years, there were many differences, of course; but there were some similarities that we might also overlook. People even at that time were imagining the future. They were creating new art forms, they were building cities, they were forming reading groups -- those who could read. They were designing new systems of cultivation, they were spreading religion from every corner of the globe. They were remapping the world was they were discovering it.
And they were importantly saying "No!" to the doomsayers. You know, there's always a split when there is an important point in time. And we will see it again here in our country and around the world. There are people who face the future with fear, even with apocalyptic vision. That was true 1,000 years ago, as some monks would travel around Europe telling people the end was near and that they should come together and cower in fear.

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But the other human impulse is the one that really held sway, and that is the feeling of hopefulness and opportunity and challenge in confronting the future.
Well, we know that there are those among us in our country who are stockpiling water and canned goods and worrying about Y2K, a problem that we do have to take seriously, but which I expect to be resolved with the hard work of many of you. But what I think is the more likely feeling that you will find in your communities, as I have found it around the country, is this sense of opportunity and hopefulness. And there is much we can do to build on that.
People are much more likely to come together across racial or ethnic or linguistic lines if they feel hopeful about the results that would flow from their taking what they see as a risk to try to be vulnerable and work with others unlike themselves. People who are hopeful will want to clean up monuments or create new parks, because they see a future where that will define the quality of life for themselves and their children. People who are hopeful are really those Americans who are true to our tradition of hopefulness.
With all of the difficulties and challenges our country has confronted, we always fall back on a sense of hopefulness. And that is what I hope will happen again in this coming year. Because we do, as we look back on the last six years of progress, have a lot to celebrate. We have a lot of work ahead of us to continue building on safer cities and reformed schools and welfare workers working and all that we can see at the ground level that is occurring. So let's not just celebrate with parties and champagne -- as much fun as that will be -- let's add to the celebration some contemplation, some commemoration and really look for ways that we can bring our communities and our country together.

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With all of the difficulties and challenges our country has confronted, we always fall back on a sense of hopefulness. And that is what I hope will happen again in this coming year. Because we do, as we look back on the last six years of progress, have a lot to celebrate. We have a lot of work ahead of us to continue building on safer cities and reformed schools and welfare workers working and all that we can see at the ground level that is occurring. So let's not just celebrate with parties and champagne as much fun as that will be let's add to the celebration some contemplation, some commemoration and really look for ways that we can bring our communities and our country together
If we imagine the kind of cities we want for the 21st century, we know we're on the right track to achieving them, and we know that the road is a very challenging one. But we have hope, because we have seen what hope and hard work can produce. When every citizen has the opportunity to live a productive, fulfilling life, and when our communities can live together in peace, without the sound of gunfire, with people feeling free to walk through a park on a beautiful summer evening; when children are learning the skills they will need to compete in the global economy, and when there is public space that invites us in and a feeling that we are contributing to the common good of our future together, then we will know we have given gifts to the future that will stand the test of time
So let me invite each of you to use this opportunity to become a Millennium Community, to work with us in creating this moment in time that we hope will stand for the symbol of what we as a nation want to create for our future. I thank you for what you have already done and I look forward to working with you for what we can do together. Thank you very much. (Applause.
END
REMARKS BY PRESIDENT CLINTON AND FIRST LADY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON TO U.S. EMBASSY STAFF AFTER MEETING WITH JORDAN'S NEW KING ABDULLAH, 2/8/1999

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U.S. EMBASSY,
AMMAN, JORDAN
(Applause.)
PRESIDENT CLINTON: Thank you very much. Thank you. Please be seated. Thank you.
MRS. CLINTON: Thank you all. I just want to express our personal appreciation to all of you for the incredible support that you have given to us in this very difficult time as we have come here to pay our last respects.
I also, on a personal note, wish to acknowledge the deep sadness that the entire American people feel. You see before you four leaders of our country who really represent many, many Americans who could not be here, but whose hearts are with the people of Jordan. I also hope you know that the friendship between our families on a personal level and between our countries is very, very deep. And we will be there in friendship and support in the months and years ahead.
As I was visiting with Queen Noor a few minutes ago and expressing our personal condolences, I could not help but think how much better off this region and our world would be if not only leaders but all of us stopped to think, "How would King Hussein have acted? What would he have said?" If we could bring the same sense of humility and openness and stability to all of our relationships that he brought and that I saw him bring not only to presidents but to every person he encountered. That would be one way to honor the legacy of this extraordinary man and this very great leader.
h, President Carter and President Ford and this congressional delegation for coming on very short notice all the way to Jordan to make a clear and unambiguous statement about our regard and respect and gratitude to King Hussein and the people of Jordan. I thank them very, very much. (Applause.)
ommunity for representing us in a difficult and challenging part of the world and a wonderful country. I thank ad by your efforts, and when Jordanians and Americans work together in our embassy here in Amman, they symbolize the partnership that we hope will always exist between the United States and Jordan.

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Most of what I would have said has already been said so eloquently by those who have spoken before. I would just like to make a couple of points about King Hussein and about King Abdullah. First of all, Hussein really did bring people together. You know, I was looking at the four of us, here we are, two Democrats; two Republicans. We have agreed on many things. We've disagreed a thing or two over time. But we know that America's interest and America's heart were close to this king and this country.
I looked at the Israeli delegation today -- (laughs) -- I could hardly believe my eyes. (Laughter.) All the candidates for prime minister were there. (Laughter.) They were all walking together. You know, I don't know if they talk at home, but they were all talking here. (Laughter.) I thought, it was as if Hussein was hugging them all, you know. (Laughter.) It was really a beautiful sight. People coming from all around the world, countries that are at each others' throats here meeting in peace and friendship and the sanctity of the umbrella of this great man. He worked with every American president since President Eisenhower -- an amazing thing.
The second thing I would like to say is that he really was driven not by the title he had but by the responsibilities it bore. And he was ennobled not by the title, but by the strength of his own character and his vision and his spirit. It was unbelievable to me when we talked right before we started this last round of peace negotiations at Wye, and I knew how ill he was. He said, "Well, I would be willing to come down there if you think it would help." I said -- (laughs) -- "If I think it would help?" I said, "This whole thing's about to come apart. Of course it would help." I said, "If you come down, they won't have the courage to walk away here without an agreement." And so he did. And he took a house, and some days he could only work 30 minutes or an hour, but every day we needed him in that long Wye peace accord, he was there.

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And his son, the new king, told me tonight, he said, "You know, the truth is it put some days on his life, because he was doing what he believed in." And all the icy atmosphere of those tense talks would immediately disappear when Hussein walked in the room, because all the differences and animosities and grievances seemed small in the face of this very large presence. And it was almost as if the more frail his body became, the more powerful the essence of his spirit was.
Every Jordanian citizen can be proud of that -- can be proud the on every continent and every country of the world, people said, "That is the sort of person we all ought to be."
The last point I would like to make is that I would like to join the previous speakers in saying that I have great confidence in the young king of Jordan. I had a very good meeting with him today. He clearly understands his mission. He said in the most moving way, he said, "I and all of my brothers and sisters have absorbed our father's teaching. We know what we are supposed to do. And I intend to do it." And he said it in a way that exuded the quiet, humble confidence that I saw so often in his father.
And finally, just on a purely personal note, I was deeply honored to be able to bring Queen Noor's mother and father over on the airplane with me. They are in this audience tonight, because we are leaving from here. And I think we should let them know that our prayers and support are with them, and we are grateful that their daughter, a daughter of America, has been a magnificent queen of Jordan and a great friend to the people of both countries.

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>>6201269
I think you asked about Fournier earlier. He was first drawn by Bore, and eventually fluffed out by the thread and then made the star of two fics by HarryLime03

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And finally, just on a purely personal note, I was deeply honored to be able to bring Queen Noor's mother and father over on the airplane with me. They are in this audience tonight, because we are leaving from here. And I think we should let them know that our prayers and support are with them, and we are grateful that their daughter, a daughter of America, has been a magnificent queen of Jordan and a great friend to the people of both countries.
Hillary and I have had so many unbelievable experiences as a result of the great honor of serving in the White House. But among those I will treasure most every day of my life are the times we had with the king of Jordan. He made us all a little better, and always will.
Thank you very much. (Applause.) END
REMARKS ABOUT RELIEF EFFORTS FOR VICTIMS OF HURRICANE MITCH AND HURRICANE GEORGES, 12/16/1999

LOCATION: WASHINGTON, D.C.
HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON DELIVERS REMARKS ON RELIEF EFFORTS FOR
VICTIMS OF HURRICANE MITCH AND HURRICANE GEORGES
FEBRUARY 16, 1999
CLINTON: Oh, thank you, thank you very much.
(APPLAUSE)
Thank you.
(APPLAUSE)
Thank you. Thank you very much. I am so pleased that this day has come, and I understand some of you were a little delayed at the gate, for which I apologize, but we're delighted you are all here to be part of these announcements this afternoon.
We owe a great debt to my friend and someone who has done a tremendous job on so many issues, Tipper Gore, for immediately bringing public attention to what had happened in Central America. And I want to thank her personally again for that.

Secretary Albright, thank you for your leadership and for shepherding American diplomacy into the new century so well and with such strength and purpose.

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Secretary Albright, thank you for your leadership and for shepherding American diplomacy into the new century so well and with such strength and purpose.
Secretary Caldera, thank you for being here. I enjoyed very much seeing you when I was on the ground visiting our troops, and it gave me such a tremendous sense of pride to see the men and women of the United States military performing as well as they always do, given whatever assignment they undertake.
I, too, want to thank Brian Atwood and the entire USAID family for the work they do every day around the world, and in particular what they've done here.
I also want to say a special word of appreciation to Maria Echaveste, who headed up the president's task force that has led us to the recommendations that we are making today in response to the need that was reported to the president.
And the people who put on the green eyeshades and find the money over at OMB, I want to thank all of you for working double and triple time to make this day happen.
To the members of Congress, to the ambassadors and other members of the diplomatic community, and particularly to the all NGOs represented here, I want to thank you for your strong presence on behalf of the people of the United States. As you served on the front lines to help open roads, restore homes, bring services back into isolated communities, literally, to save lives in Central America and the Caribbean.
This has been one of the most extraordinary international efforts in recent memory. When I visited the region shortly after Hurricane Mitch, I not only talked with American troops about what we were doing, but I saw firsthand supplies and troops coming from other countries, literally around the world. On the tarmac in Honduras I saw a plane from Japan and another filled with food and clothing that just happened to be from Little Rock, Arkansas. I don't know that that was planned.

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(LAUGHTER)
CLINTON: But more than that, I was moved by the meetings and conversations that I had with the leaders of these countries and with the citizens who have embarked on an extraordinary effort to rebuild not only the physical infrastructure of their countries, but more than that, the sense of hope and optimism that had recently come to this region after so many years of bloodshed and war, disappointment and pessimism about the future.
A woman in Nicaragua told me that the hurricane, in terms of its damage, was worse than both the war and the earthquake that leveled Managua. And when I obviously expressed some surprise at that rather remarkable statement, she said that it was because, unlike the terrible problems with the earthquake or even unlike the years of unrest and war, certain parts of the country were left untouched and life could go on somewhat normally.
But here, the entire country was affected, entire crops wiped out, villages destroyed, parents left without jobs or food for their children.
So that it's clear that these nations that we are addressing today need not just short-term humanitarian relief, which we have come forward with in an extraordinary show of support, but they need long- term reconstruction. Which is why when my husband first announced U.S. assistance to help the people of Central America get back on their feet and look again toward the future with hope and optimism, he made it clear that we would stand with the people of these countries for the long haul. And today, we are making good on that promise.

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reconstruction. Which is why when my husband first announced U.S. assistance to help the people of Central America get back on their feet and look again toward the future with hope and optimism, he made it clear that we would stand with the people of these countries for the long haul. And today, we are making good on that promise.
I'm very pleased that the president has proposed funding of nearly $1 billion to help our Latin American neighbors repair and rebuild in the aftermath of these disasters. This proposal will bring our total commitment to over $1.2 billion, and it will help in several critical ways.
First, if this funding is approved, 17 million people will have help protecting themselves from the contagious diseases that too often rear their ugly heads in the aftermath of natural disasters. Seven hundred health clinics will be up and running, and more than seven million people will have access to clean water and proper sanitation.
Second, this proposal will help create jobs, boost economies, and rebuild entire communities.
When I was in Central America, I heard time and time again that the leaders -- this new generation of leaders in these countries -- understood very well that it was not enough just to stop the fighting, as important as that was; to reach peace agreements; and to be able to establish the rule of law and democracy.
CLINTON: But instead there had to be sustained investments in the well being of the people of these countries -- investments in education to raise literacy rates, in health care to lower maternal and infant mortality rates. And it is this progress which has been so much put at risk because of the devastation of these hurricanes.
I remember very well in my meeting with the leadership of Guatemala and the promises that were made when the peace agreements were signed two years ago. Those promises were not just about decommissioning weapons, as important as that is.

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In Nicaragua alone, 60 percent of the citizens are unemployed as a result of the hurricane. For farmers whose crops were wiped out, the president's proposal will provide important tools to help restore production. For people in rural areas, it will reinstall the roads and bridges that bring produce to markets and create jobs.
And for 70,000 entrepreneurs, it will provide the small loans needed for micro businesses. This is something that we feel very strongly about in this administration, from the president on. And some of you may have been in the White House last week when we held our second annual awards ceremony here in the United States to honor micro enterprise.
But we know that it's a tool for building lives and creating markets where none exist before. And so this proposal will include such funding.
The president's proposal will also help rebuild the roads, homes and schools that people rely on every day. For example, 6,000 new open air schools will be created and school supplies will be put in the hands of 200,000 children.
Finally, this proposal we hope will help our neighbors prepare for their future in several different ways. They need more help in creating better systems to deal with disasters. That is one of the strong recommendations I heard as I met with the leaders in these countries. Some countries were better prepared than others, but all can use some additional help.
They also need help in shifting the way they do agriculture, not only to more productive crops, but to help manage the environment better. Some of the damage was caused by the impact that erosion had created in many of the areas so that the rains literally had nowhere to go but to create mudslides. So there needs to be more thought given as to how to create productive agricultural land with perhaps new crops and at the same time undo the damage that erosion and environmental degradation has created in order to be better prepared for future storms.

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CLINTON: This package also includes $50 million to help the Dominican Republic, Haiti and the eastern Caribbean restore the housing, health care and jobs destroyed by Hurricane Georges. I saw again personally when I visited the Dominican Republic and Haiti the continuing effects of the damage from Hurricane Georges in both of those countries, and this will be a very welcome addition to the work that those countries are doing.
This proposal also includes an additional $10 million to help the victims of the recent earthquake in Colombia, a devastating earthquake whose damage is still being assessed in some remote areas of Colombia.
From the start, our obligation to help Central America and the Caribbean recover from these tragedies has transcended politics, and so, too, must it now. This entire proposal is the product of close bipartisan consultation with members of Congress from both houses and both sides of the aisle. I'm very heartened by the support that Republican members have given, many who also made the trip to see for themselves the effect of these hurricanes. And it is our hope that Congress will quickly act to pass this proposal.
On March 8th, I will accompany the president on his trip to Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, where he will see the destruction firsthand, where he will also meet with people who've been affected, as well as meeting with American troops and American NGOs. And he will hear what all of you in this room know so well -- how important it is for us to extend a helping hand to our neighbors to help them heal and rebuild.
I know that many of you who have worked in Central America and the Caribbean for many years understand how devastating the effect of these hurricanes have been. We understand how at just the moment in time when all of these countries were poised for the future this devastating natural disaster has seemed to come out of nowhere and set them back with respect to pursuing their dreams and their hopes.

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I know that many of you who have worked in Central America and the Caribbean for many years understand how devastating the effect of these hurricanes have been. We understand how at just the moment in time when all of these countries were poised for the future this devastating natural disaster has seemed to come out of nowhere and set them back with respect to pursuing their dreams and their hopes.
Well, we want to be friends and partners in rebuilding those dreams and hopes, and that is what the president's proposal attempts to do. It is why I hope, in additional to what we're able to provide through this supplemental appropriation, the American people will continue with their generous support as well.
With every road or bridge we help rebuild, with every crop that is planted, with every school and health clinic that is rebuilt, we want to send a strong message to the people of Central America and the Caribbean who have overcome so much in recent years that we will continue to stand by them as we move toward the future together.
We understand that the future of the United States is linked to the future of the people of these countries, and it is a great point of personal pleasure for me to be part of a process that helps bring together our countries and the people of countries and our governments on behalf not only of the reconstruction work that needs to be done, and not even just on behalf of the humanitarian relief that must continue, but on behalf of this new, strong friendship among our peoples.
Thank you very much.
(APPLAUSE)
END

“Good Morning America,” ABC, 2/17/1999
DIANE SAWYER: After weeks of speculation, yesterday Hillary Rodham Clinton finally made it official that she is giving careful thought to running for the U.S. Senate next year in New York, so running out of the White House. Undoubtedly, the Democratic Party won't find anyone with better name recognition, and her recent approval ratings have been as high as 70 percent.

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“Good Morning America,” ABC, 2/17/1999
DIANE SAWYER: After weeks of speculation, yesterday Hillary Rodham Clinton finally made it official that she is giving careful thought to running for the U.S. Senate next year in New York, so running out of the White House. Undoubtedly, the Democratic Party won't find anyone with better name recognition, and her recent approval ratings have been as high as 70 percent. Not only that, a new poll has her ahead in a race against perspective candidate New York Mayor Rudy Guiliani by 11 points. If the election were held today, she'd probably win.

Pres. BILL CLINTON: America's First Lady.

DIANE SAWYER: (voice-over) But name recognition cuts both ways. It's a notoriously bloody battlefield -- New York politics. And Mrs. Clinton would be sacrificing the moral authority she's amassed for the future on human rights, women's rights, children's rights, for trench warfare over the past -- things like Whitewater and Travelgate.

HILLARY CLINTON: I am happy to answer the grand jury's questions.

DIANE SAWYER: (voice-over) Not to mention the still bitter memory of that early work on health care reform.

ALEC BALDWIN: Hillary Rodham Clinton possesses unique talents, skills, and experience.

DIANE SAWYER: (voice-over) On the plus side, a big name means big donations. And Mrs. Clinton knows the glories and bruises of the campaign trail. Last year, in an 11th-hour push for Charles Schumer, now senator, she showed she can speak the language of New York, whether it's on Park Avenue or out in the minority communities.

HILLARY CLINTON: This is about who leads New York. This is about who sets the agenda for the 21st century.

DIANE SAWYER: (voice-over) And the unknown? Well, how would New York's powerful Jewish community react to her advocacy of a Palestinian state last year? And what will she be saying about the polarizing issues like the death penalty and welfare? No one doubts that Mrs.

>>6201450
hey how you've been?

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DIANE SAWYER: (voice-over) And the unknown? Well, how would New York's powerful Jewish community react to her advocacy of a Palestinian state last year? And what will she be saying about the polarizing issues like the death penalty and welfare? No one doubts that Mrs. Clinton is strong enough for the race, just look at what she's weathered in public life. The only question is this -- Given what she's weathered in public life, why would she be running? Why?

Joining us now to talk about this possibility, from Washington, ABC's Cokie Roberts, co-host of This Week and from Indianapolis, ABC News political analyst, George Stephanopoulos.

George, let me begin with you. It's begun. "New York Daily News," a columnist says that Mrs. Clinton, if she's going to run, has to learn when you say it takes a village you means Greenwich Village, and if you come to New York, you have to wear black, black, black and leave your old accessories at home, for instance, the big one in the Oval Office. Is Mrs. Clinton serious about taking this on?

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC News Analyst: I don't think so. I think she must be having an awful lot of fun with all the speculation over the last few weeks and she's clearly putting out the word she's thinking about it, but all the questions you raise in your piece still come back. Even if Mrs. Clinton could win, why would she want to go through an amazingly tough race in her last years in the White House, and why would she want to be the junior senator from New York when she could be one of the senior statesman in the world after leaving the White House.

DIANE SAWYER: Why would she be teasing people either?

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GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: I think she's got a sense of humor, number one. I think number two, it's flattering. Number three, it's been, frankly, a helpful story line to have in the post impeachment phase, Mrs. Clinton out on her own and being flattered in the New York press and being built up in the New York press. It puts out some independence with her from the President. So I think it serves a lot of purposes even if she doesn't decide to run.

DIANE SAWYER: Cokie, what's your vote on this, and what are the quirks of a Senate race?

COKIE ROBERTS, ABC News: The quirks of a Senate race are awful any place, and in New York they are really awful. Just ask Geraldine Ferraro. The truth is I think Mrs. Clinton -- I only know from what I read and some of her friends I've talked to -- I think she might start to consider it seriously. What happens to potential candidates is everyone starts telling them we need you, the state needs you, the party needs you, you can do it, only you can do it. And it starts to go to people's heads. And why not. I think -- I just hope she has some good friends who only care about her and not the Democratic Party who can give her advice about what's the right thing for her. Because putting yourself through this campaign after what she's been through to me is just plain nuts.

DIANE SAWYER: George, we've seen how she handles the President under attack, stoically and strongly. How is she when she's personally under attack?

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: She's tough. I mean, Diane, there's no question about that. She likes to come out fighting. It's both the lawyer in her and the political Paul in her. But also at the same time, she doesn't like it all that much. One of the images I have in my head is that whenever we had big debates or big events on the campaign trail, she would sit back in a room and wait for it to be over. She does the fight, but she doesn't always enjoy it.

>>6201487
Ey, G.

How about some Sharla?

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“Nightline,” ABC, 2/17/1999
ANNOUNCER: February 17, 1999.

CHRIS WALLACE, ABC News: (voice-over) Her husband figures she's a natural.

Pres. WILLIAM J. CLINTON: I think she would be terrific in the Senate, but that's a decision that she'll have to make.

CHRIS WALLACE: (voice-over) And the media is thrilled at the prospect.

JACK NEWFIELD, "New York Post":I think it would be the most exciting Senate race in the country. It would be Viagra for the media.

CHRIS WALLACE: (voice-over) But is she ready for the rough and tumble of a New York political campaign?

DON IMUS: And if she wants to run for the Senate against the most vicious person on the planet, Rudolph Giuliani, what is she nuts?

CHRIS WALLACE: (voice-over) Tonight, Hillary Clinton and the 2000 Senate race.

ANNOUNCER: From ABC News, this is Nightline. Substituting for Ted Koppel and reporting from Washington, Chris Wallace.

CHRIS WALLACE: Let's admit right from the outset that what we're indulging in tonight may be one of the better examples of hype. After the year the first family has been through, it would certainly be understandable if they want to have a little fun toying with the idea of one more campaign. And after the year Mrs. Clinton has been through, it would certainly be understandable if she wants to have a little fun being courted as a candidate.

But even if it turns out to be nothing more than a brief diversion, the thought of the First Lady throwing herself into the cut and thrust of politics New York style, well, it's too enticing to ignore. It would be historic, the first First Lady ever to run for office. It would be compelling theater, Hillary Clinton slugging it out on the issues in between bites of bagels or cannolli. (ph) And it would be great politics, a true liberal taking on everything the Republican Party can throw at her. As Nightline's Chris Bury reports, in New York they can hardly wait.

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But even if it turns out to be nothing more than a brief diversion, the thought of the First Lady throwing herself into the cut and thrust of politics New York style, well, it's too enticing to ignore. It would be historic, the first First Lady ever to run for office. It would be compelling theater, Hillary Clinton slugging it out on the issues in between bites of bagels or cannolli. (ph) And it would be great politics, a true liberal taking on everything the Republican Party can throw at her. As Nightline's Chris Bury reports, in New York they can hardly wait.

CHRIS BURY, ABC News: (voice-over) The headline left little doubt what was on the minds of New Yorkers this morning. From the tabloids to the ticker on Times Square, the prospect of Senator HillaryRodham Clinton was the talk of the town. The notion of a match up between Mrs. Clinton and New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani is pure catnip for politicians and pundits desperate for a post-impeachment fix.

Sen. CHARLES SCHUMER, (D), New York: I think Hillary Clinton would be a great candidate and a great senator and what she has told me is that she is now beginning to look at this seriously.

Sen. JOHN McCAIN, (R), Arizona: Many of us who are political junkies salivate at the prospect of a Clinton-Giuliani race for the United States Senate.

JACK NEWFIELD: It would be Viagra for the media.

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) Even the President has not discouraged speculation.

Pres. WILLIAM J. CLINTON: I think she would be terrific in the Senate but that's a decision she'll have to make.

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) And Tuesday's statement from the First Lady that she will give careful thought to a potential candidacy in order to reach a decision later this year has only ginned up the rumor mill.

Sen. CHARLES ROBB, (R), Virginia: It turns out I am the sole representative of the United States Senate. Of course that's only the current United States Senate that I'm referring to in this particular instance.

>>6201501
alone?

>>6201487
>wiiu posting
Behold, the folly of man. Our arrogance will be our undoing.

Icarus Nick flying too close to the sun.

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Sen. JOHN McCAIN, (R), Arizona: Many of us who are political junkies salivate at the prospect of a Clinton-Giuliani race for the United States Senate.

JACK NEWFIELD: It would be Viagra for the media.

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) Even the President has not discouraged speculation.

Pres. WILLIAM J. CLINTON: I think she would be terrific in the Senate but that's a decision she'll have to make.

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) And Tuesday's statement from the First Lady that she will give careful thought to a potential candidacy in order to reach a decision later this year has only ginned up the rumor mill.

Sen. CHARLES ROBB, (R), Virginia: It turns out I am the sole representative of the United States Senate. Of course that's only the current United States Senate that I'm referring to in this particular instance.

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) Today, pushing Social Security reform with the President, Mrs. Clinton ignored even veiled references to any change in careers. But ABC News has learned she sought advice from experienced New York political pros as soon as her husband was acquitted. "New York Post" columnist Jack Newfield says Mrs. Clinton's statement has already frozen the race.

JACK NEWFIELD: Congresswoman Nita Lowey is the only other alternative the Democrats have at this point and she has already said she would immediately step aside if the First Lady wants to enter the race. I think Hillary Clinton's interest, and I think there is interest, is going to freeze the field until April or May or June when she finally decides.

HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, First Lady Of The United States: Now, every New Yorker, I believe, has a tremendous stake in this -- men, women, children of all ages, all backgrounds, races, ethnicities because one of our great challenges moving into this new century is are we going to do this together?

>>6201513
Seems simplest, yeah.

>>6201487
Hey, G.

I would ask for another cute Nick/Honey, but this might not be the best time.

We have an asshole here who's already killed one thread tonight and doesn't seem to be slowing down.

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JACK NEWFIELD: She is going to be sitting in Katz's Delicatessen with her mouth full of knish and 30 guys are going to be yelling at her to explain the $100,000 profit she made in the commodity trade in Arkansas in 1979.

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) In fact, just this morning the popular New York radio personality Don Imus offered a taste of what Mrs. Clinton might expect.

DON IMUS: See, the last time we talked to her she was playing three card monte with billing records in the book room and jerking your chain on Wall Street and hiding suicide notes and she wants to run for the Senate against the most vicious person on the planet, Rudolph Giuliani? What is she nuts?

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) This afternoon, Mayor Giuliani, who has yet to announce his candidacy for the Senate, refused to speculate about a possible match up with Mrs. Clinton.

Mayor RUDOLPH GIULIANI: I don't have anything to say to her. I mean she's got to decide what she wants to do and I'll decide what I want to do and rather than play your game, I'll do it on my own terms.

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) In New York, politics is a rough and tumble game. Consider last fall's Senate race between Charles Schumer and Al D'Amato. The most hotly contested question was whether D'Amato had called Schumer a putzhead.

AL D'AMATO: I have absolutely no knowledge of ever having made that statement.

Sen. CHARLES SCHUMER: Al D'Amato used a cheap slur against me and then when asked lied about it.

LISA CAPUTO: I think Hillary Clinton is such a fighter. She's got a real tough skin and I think that if she could weather what she's weathered over the past six years, I think that she can just about weather anything.

>>6201518
Well since you're here, how's life been?

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>>6201487
>Two of the ten people that own a Wii U post on /trash/
Ayy
So please tell me you have SM4SH

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AL D'AMATO, (R), Former Senator New York: (New York) You'd have to certainly be careful, particularly if you have a woman. But let me say she has a natural constituency. She'd rally a tremendous amount of support and she'd be a very formidable candidate and I think the media would just have a wonderful time, great, great theater and it would be a donnybrook. She would have everyone throughout the country following this race. The New York press corps is one of the toughest. Is she up to it? I think that she's weathered some pretty tough storms and she would be a tough candidate for anyone.

CHRIS WALLACE: You say it would be a donnybrook. We'll get into detail later, but briefly, how would you run against her? What are the one or two points that you think as a Republican you would want to make against her?

AL D'AMATO: Oh, I think you'd have to take, go right to her strength and indeed, she has been a great advocate on behalf of women and children, etc., and some of these programs are great programs, but someone has to pay for it. And so you'd have to try to take it on the plane as to who's going to pay and where does the money come from and will another Democrat elected to the Senate help New York as opposed to having someone who will be in the majority and who will be able to deliver for New Yorkers. You have to take it up scale. You cannot take it rough and tumble. Chuck and I had a rough and tumble one. I think you have to be very careful.

CHRIS WALLACE: Would you consider taking on this race yourself?

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JERRY NACHMAN, Former "New York Post" Editor: (Los Angeles) No, Chris, it makes me homesick just thinking about it. It would be the Ali-Frasier fight. This battle, potential battle between Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani, probably on paper, has to be one of the great bouts of all time.

CHRIS WALLACE: How rough does it get for Mrs. Clinton both from the Republicans and from the New York media?

JERRY NACHMAN: The most fascinating thing to me, Chris, is the possibility of Mrs. Clinton getting the nomination without a primary. I mean Senator D'Amato can attest to what a leg up that would be for any Democrat to go into the general election without having gone through the combat and having spent the money of going through a Democratic primary in New York.

CHRIS WALLACE: Mandy Grunwald, what about this issue which Chris Bury referred to in his story? As First Lady when things got hot, Hillary Clinton could just disappear for weeks on end. As a Senate candidate, she'd have to be out there and answer the questions every day.

MANDY GRUNWALD: Sure she would. I mean the New York press corps is very demanding and she would have to play the game their way. Yes, there would be some things that would be a little bit different because she's First Lady. But if she makes the decision to run, she would have to understand what a campaign in New York is all about. And I think she'd be ready for that. I think it's not really whether she can handle it, it's whether this is the best place for her to make a difference. I think we'd all love to watch it. I mean I think you hear that from all of us. And if you think that a campaign between Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani would be interesting, I'd love to see one between Hillary Clinton and Al D'Amato. Now that's, that you'd buy tickets for.

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AL D'AMATO: Well, just about everything. There's every minefield you can possibly think about and certainly there are going to be people, you've heard it, who will be bringing up questions of stock transactions and missing documents and all of that kind of thing. So that's the theater of it. But when it really comes down to, it's going to come down to do people believe that she will make a difference, a positive difference for the state and I think if Rudy Giuliani is the candidate, he's got a tremendously formidable record. I'm proud of my record as having been able to deliver. And so we would contrast those things. And then the question being in the majority and being able to deliver. So would it be nasty? Yeah. I think the media's going to look to stir it up and we do our own part in it and it would be a slug fest, Rudy Giuliani, Al D'Amato or some of our other great candidates.

CHRIS WALLACE: We have to take a break here but when we return, let's look at some actual issues. Just what are Mrs. Clinton's strengths and weaknesses? And we'll continue our discussion in a moment.

(Commercial Break)

CHRIS WALLACE: And we're back again with Senator Alfonse D'Amato, Jerry Nachman and Mandy Grunwald.

Mandy, you just heard the senator refer to it. If Mrs. Clinton runs, won't she be hit with all of those old scandals, her role in Whitewater and Travelgate and the billing records?

MANDY GRUNWALD: You would think if the Republican Party have learned nothing else in the last couple years it's that that strategy has driven it to its lowest poll ratings in its history. I think Senator D'Amato might say that the Whitewater hearings he conducted contributed to the weakness he faced as a candidate for reelection last year. If that's the best they've got which is, you know, kind of recycling all that stuff again and trying to defeat her on scandal, I think she'd kill 'em.

>>6201520
ok

>>6201526
I dont mind

>>6201545
yep lek

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MANDY GRUNWALD: Well, I think she learned a lot from the, from her episode in 1994 with health reform and has shown with the work she's done on other health care issues taking a smaller approach to things like HMO reform, the HMO Bill of Rights, children's health coverage, that she learned from that experience. I think she very much is part of what she and the President have always called the third way, the sort of centrist place they've taken the Democratic Party. And there, I think people would be in, actually, for a lot of surprises on questions like welfare reform where she very much supported what the President did. I think you'd be surprised that, you know, where she, where you might cal her a liberal and where you might call her a conservative. I think she's very much where the President is on a lot of these issues and I think New York has made that choice over and over again that they support the direction that the Clinton administration has taken this country.

CHRIS WALLACE: Jerry Nachman, Mrs. Clinton has also gone on record supporting a Palestinian state. Not good politics in New York, is it?

JERRY NACHMAN: No, she's going to get hit very hard on that. But I think I want to agree with Mandy that on the issues she will do very well, Chris. It's going to come down to how brittle is she because she's going to get questioned on everything. Remember, if it's a Rudy Giuliani-Hillary Clinton election, there are going to be lots of questions about these two quirky marriages that these two candidates come from. There will be all the questions on Monica, all the things that the politicians say that it's not right to go into, the press will go into, and the question is Hillary, who's been able to duck as First Lady is going to have to learn from her husband. In 1992 when Clinton came to New York for the primary, he got pummeled mercilessly and we as journalists saw that this was the most resilient politician we'd ever seen.

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MANDY GRUNWALD: I just keep laughing about the irony that we've spent the last year watching a group of people trying to kick the President out of office and now we have a group of people trying to drag her in. It's just, the juxtaposition is unbelievable. I think she could handle whatever she needs to handle. She has shown this year an unbelievable grace under pressure and has handled publicly things that nobody in the world has ever had to. If she wants this job, I have every faith that she'll know how to go about dealing with all the various things in the New York press, in the New York political system that she needs to. It isn't going to be easy. I don't take it lightly. I think the real question is whether this is the right choice for her. And she's going to take some time to figure that out.

CHRIS WALLACE: All right, well let's talk about that. As long as she's out there it freezes the race, Mandy, for any other Democrat. How long, realistically, does she really have to make up her mind?

MANDY GRUNWALD: I don't know if there's any specific time line. She said she'd make a decision later this year. I certainly think, you know, having worked for Senator Moynihan three times, I'd like the seat to stay Democratic and I'm sure he would, too. Hillary Clinton would be the best chance, I think, of assuring that, but Nita Lowey would be a strong can about it. We know all the reasons why Mrs. Clinton would flirt with it, but let me ask, and start with you, Senator D'Amato, when it comes right down to it, what do you think, will she or won't she?

AL D'AMATO: Oh, I think there's a great chance she's going to run. She becomes her own person. I've always thought that money is not the thing she's going to be looking for, it's going to be prestige on her own. So it's a good likelihood.

CHRIS WALLACE: Very briefly, very briefly, Jerry Nachman.

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r) And the unknown? Well, how would New York's powerful Jewish community react to her advocacy of a Palestinian state last year? And what will she be saying about the polarizing issues like the death penalty and welfare? No one doubts that Mrs. Clinton is strong enough for the race, just look at what she's weathered in public life. The only question is this -- Given what she's weathered in public life, why would she be running? Why?

Joining us now to talk about this possibility, from Washington, ABC's Cokie Roberts, co-host of This Week and from Indianapolis, ABC News political analyst, George Stephanopoulos.

George, let me begin with you. It's begun. "New York Daily News," a columnist says that Mrs. Clinton, if she's going to run, has to learn when you say it takes a village you means Greenwich Village, and if you come to New York, you

George, let me begin with you. It's begun. "New York Daily News," a columnist says ack and leave your old accessories at home, for instance, the big one in the Oval Office. Is Mrs. Clinton serious about taking this on?

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC News Analyst: I don't think so. I think she must be having an awful lot of fun with all the speculation over the last few weeks and she's clearly putting out the word she's thinking about it, but all the questions you raise in your piece still come back. Even if Mrs. Clinton could win, why would she want to go through an amazingly tough race in her last years in the White House, and why would she want to be the junior senator from New York when she could be one of the senior statesman in the world after leaving the White House.

DIANE SAWYER: Why would she be teasing people either?

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I know that many of you who have worked in Central America and the Caribbean for many years understand how devastating the effect of these hurricanes have been. We understand how at just the moment in time when all of these countries were poised for the future this devastating natural disaster has seemed to come out of nowhere and set them back with respect to pursuing their dreams and their hopes.
Well, we want to be friends and partners in rebuilding those dreams and hopes, and that is what the president's proposal attempts to do. It is why I hope, in additional to what we're able to provide through this supplemental appropriation, the American people will continue with their generous support as well.
With every road or bridge we help rebuild, with every crop that is planted, w laughing about the irony that we've spent the last year watching a group of people trying to kick the President out of office nd I'm sure he would, too. Hillary Clinton would be the best chance, I think, of assuring that, but Nita Lowey would be a strong candidate and there are probablyith every school and health clinic that is rebuilt, we want to send a strong message to the people of Central America and the Caribbean who have overcome so much in recent years that we will continue to stand by them as we move toward the future together.
We understand that the future of the United States is linked to the future of the people of these countries, and it is a great point of personal pleasure for me to be part of a process that helps bring together our countries and the people of countries and our governments on behalf not only of the reconstruction work that needs to be done, and not even just on behalf of the humanitarian relief that must continue, but on behalf of this new, strong friendship among our peoples.
Thank you very much.
(APPLAUSE)
END

>>6201577
>yep
How often you play, man?
Who's your main?
Personally, I like Greninja, Villager, and Marth, but I've always held a spot in my heart for my main man Fox

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Who wants a present?

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AL D'AMATO, (R), Former Senator New York: (New York) You'd have to certainly be careful, particularly if you have a woman. But let me say she has a natural constituency. She'd rally a tremen emocrat to go into the general election without having gone through the combat and having spent the money of going through a Democratic primary in New York.

CHRIS WALLACE: Mandy Grunwald, what about this issue which Chris Bury referred to in his story? As First Lady when things got hot, Hillary Clinton could just disappear for weeks on end. As a Senate candidate, she'd have to be out there and answer the questions every day.

MANDY GRUNWALD: Sure she would. I mean the New York press corps is very demanding and she would have to play the game their way. Yes, there would be some things that would be a little bit different because she's First Lady. But if she makes the decision to run, she would have to understand what a campaign in New York is all about. And I think she'd be ready for that., go right to her strength and indeed, she has been a great advocate on behalf of women and children, etc., and some of these programs are great programs, but someone has to pay for it. And so you'd have to try to take it on the plane as to who's going to pay and where does the money come from and will another Democrat elected to the Senate help New York as opposed to having someone who will be in the majority and who will be able to deliver for New Yorkers. You have to take it up scale. You cannot take it rough and tumble. Chuck and I had a rough and tumble one. I think you have to be very careful.

CHRIS WALLACE: Would you consider taking on this race yourself?

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CHRIS WALLACE: All right, well let's talk about that. As long as she's out there it freezes the race, Mandy, for any other Democrat. How long, realistically, does she really have to make up her mind?

MANDY GRUNWALD: I don't know if there's any specific time line. She said she'd make a decision later this year. I certainly think, you know, having worked for Senator Moynihan three times, I'd like the seat to stay Democratic and I'm sure he would, too. Hillary Clinton would be the best chance, I think, of assuring that, but Nita Lowey would be a strong candidate and there are probably others out there. I don't think there's a magic date. I think Hillary should take the time to make this decision right and if she doesn't run I assume she'll work very hard for whoever decides to.

CHRIS WALLACE: We've only got about 30 seconds left so I'm going to ask you all to share it and be brief about it. We know all the reasons why Mrs. Clinton would flirt with it, but let me ask, and start with you, Senator D'Amato, when it comes right down to it, what do you think, will she or won't she?

AL D'AMATO: Oh, I think there's a great chance she's going to run. She becomes her own person. I've always thought that money is not the thing she's going to be looking for, it's going to be prestige on her own. So it's a good likelihood.

CHRIS WALLACE: Very briefly, very briefly, Jerry Nachman.

JERRY NACHMAN: I'm not sure she has the belly for what the press is now doing jumping jacks waiting to do to her.

CHRIS WALLACE: And Mandy Grunwald, yes or no?

MANDY GRUNWALD: I don't know. I don't think she knows yet and I hope whatever choice she makes she gets, gets some of the fun that she hasn't had in the last year.

CHRIS WALLACE: We're going to leave it there and I think that's a great place to leave it. Mandy Grunwald, Senator D'Amato, Jerry Nachman, thank you all very much for joining us tonight.

And I'll be back in a moment.

(Commercial Break)

>>6201631
Me, me!

>>6201631
n...n-yes?

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>>6201631

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She was blamed for pushing too hard and too fast for her controversial national health-care program. She was being investigated, along with her husband, in a co--complex land deal which few people understood. She was suspected of hiding evidence from her previous work at an Arkansas law--law firm. She was the butt of jokes from late-night comics and political cartoonists, and had become sort of a dart board for the then triumphant Republicans who took control of Congress in 1994. But as any stock analyst will tell you, what goes down can sometimes come roaring back up. The Comeback is our cover story from Martha Teichner.
(Footage of Hillary Clinton)
Mr. SAM DONALDSON (ABC News): Mrs. Clinton, everybody wants to know if you're going to run for the Senate.


MARTHA TEICHNER reporting:
(Voiceover) She will decide, say her friends, when she has done what one calls her due diligence. This past week, every move she made was watched, not for body language clues as to the state of her marriage, post-impeachment, post-Monica, but to guess her political intentions. Never mind all the speculation. Her advisers insist the decision will be made, not in a matter of days, but weeks, possibly even months, when she has immersed herself totally in the pros and cons of running for the Senate in New York.
Unidentified Pollster #1: If the next election for US Senate in New York state were held today, whom would you support if the candidates are Rudy Giuliani, the Republican, and Hillary Clinton, the Democrat?
Unidentified Woman #1: Hillary Clinton.
(Footage of poll takers on telephones)
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) But if the election were held today, according to the polls, Hillary Rodham Clinton would beat New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani by 11 percent.

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>>6201644

>>6201631
Yes, Daddy, please

>>6201632
I just realized what you are posting

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CHRIS WALLACE: Tomorrow on World News Tonight with Peter Jennings, a closer look when a country's entire genetic makeup is on file in a computer database, is it the perfect lab or the end of privacy?

And that's our report for tonight. I'm Chris Wallace in Washington. For all of us here at ABC News, good night.

“Sunday Morning,” CBS, 2/21/1999
THE COMEBACK
CHARLES OSGOOD, host:
If Hillary Clinton were a stock traded on the big board, the sell-off would have come about four years ago. She was blamed for pushing too hard and too fast for her controversial national health-care program. She was being investigated, along with her husband, in a co--complex land deal which few people understood. She was suspected of hiding evidence from her previous work at an Arkansas law--law firm. She was the butt of jokes from late-night comics and political cartoonists, and had become sort of a dart board for the then triumphant Republicans who took control of Congress in 1994. But as any stock analyst will tell you, what goes down can sometimes come roaring back up. The Comeback is our cover story from Martha Teichner.
(Footage of Hillary Clinton)
Mr. SAM DONALDSON (ABC News): Mrs. Clinton, everybody wants to know if you're going to run for the Senate.


MARTHA TEICHNER reporting:
(Voiceover) She will decide, say her friends, when she has done what one calls her due diligence. This past week, every move she made was watched, not for body language clues as to the state of her marriage, post-impeachment, post-Monica, but to guess her political intentions. Never mind all the speculation. Her advisers insist the decision will be made, not in a matter of days, but weeks, possibly even months, when she has immersed herself totally in the pros and cons of running for the Senate in New York.
Unidentified Pollster #1: If the next election for U ?
Unidentified Man #1: Favorable.
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>>6201648

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CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) The buzz about Hillary began with her wildly successful fundraising efforts on behalf of Charles Schumer and other Democratic candidates. Now, they are urging her to run, knowing her approval ratings have never been higher. That she is an Illinois native living in Washington and registered to vote in Arkansas makes little difference in New York.

BOBBY KENNEDY: The first senator from the state of New York, Rupert King, was from Massachusettsnd I think in many ways that this notion and interest in having the First Lady run for a Senate seat does reaffirm that she is a person of substance.
n has faced in the White House.s conference, nen Imus offered a taste of what Mrs. Clinton might expect.

DON IMUS: See, the last time we talked to her she was playing three card monte with billing records in the book room and jerking your chain on Wall Street and hiding suicide notes and she wants to run for the Senate against the most vicious person on the planet, Rudolph Giuliani? What is she nuts?

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) This afternoon, Mayor Giuliani, who has yet to announce his candidacy for the Senate, refused to speculate about a possible match up with Mrs. Clinton.

Mayor RUDOLPH GIULIANI: I don't have anything to say to her. I mean she's got to decide what she wants to do and I'll decide what I want to do and rather than play your game, I'll do it on my own terms.

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) In New York, politics is a rough and tumble game. Consider last fall's Senate race between Charles Schumer and Al D'Amato. The most hotly contested question was whether D'Amato had called Schumer a putzhead.

>>6201487
Gideon meets Gideon-from-Gravity-Falls.

>>6201631
>>6201644
>>6201648
>>6201656
This is the best half year late birthday present ever.

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>>6201656
Also doubles as a christmas present

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>>6201652
that's good then...

JACK NEWFIELD: Congresswoman Nita Lowey is the only other alternative the Democrats have at this point and she has already said she would immediately step aside if the First Lady wants to enter the race. I think Hillary Clinton's interest, and I think there is interest, is going to freeze the field until April or May or June when she finally decides.

HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, First Lady Of The United States: Now, every New Yorker, I believe, has a tremendous stake in this -- men, women, children of all ages, all backgrounds, races, ethnicities because one of our great challenges moving into this new century is are we going to do this together?

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) The buzz about Hillary began with her wildly successful fundraising efforts on behalf of Charles Schumer and other Democratic candidates. Now, they are urging her to run, knowing her approval ratings have never been higher. That she is an Illinois native living in Washington and registered to vote in Arkansas makes little difference in New York.
BOBBY KENNEDY: The first senator from the state of New York, Rupert King, was from Massachusetts.

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) That's how Bobby Kennedy answered the carpetbagger question when he moved to New York just to capture a Senate seat in 1964. But even if New Yorkers are historically open to out of towners, why would Mrs. Clinton want to run given what she has been through lately and knowing she will have enormous and lucrative opportunities ahead? The First Lady's former press secretary believes all this attention validates Mrs. Clinton's standing as an independent political figure.

LISA CAPUTO, Former Hillary Clinton Press Secretary: It's got to be enormously flattering and I think in many ways that this notion and interest in having the First Lady run for a Senate seat does reaffirm that she is a person of substance.

CHRIS BURY: Flattering as such attention might be, Mrs. Clinton also knows there are plenty of good

>>6201652
Doesn't make it any less annoying.

Is there anyway to permanent block all his post?

>>6201648

I like how Skye looks, like, completely in her own little world.

>>6201672
I would be a hypocrite for reporting you

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CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) That's how Bobby Kennedy answered the carpetbagger question when he moved to New York just to capture a Senate seat in 1964. But even if New Yorkers are historically open to out of towners, why would Mrs. Clinton want to run given what she has been through lately and knowing she will have enormous and lucrative opportunities ahead? The First Lady's former press secretary believes all this attention validates Mrs. Clinton's standing as an independent political figure.

LISA CAPUTO, Former Hillary Clinton Press Secretary: It's got to be enormously flattering and I think in many ways that this notion and interest in having the First Lady run for a Senate seat does reaffirm that she is a person of substance.

CHRIS BURY: Flattering as such attention might be, Mrs. Clinton also knows there are plenty of good reasons not to run. To begin the Clintons face millions in legal bills and she would give up the opportunity to make a lot of money. And a campaign in New York, particularly against a tough opponent like Rudolph Giuliani, would likely be far more ferocious than anything Hillary Clinton has faced in the White House.

HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON: Are we ready? Well, let me thank all of you for coming.

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) As First Lady, Hillary Clinton has hosted only one full scale White House press conference, nearly five years ago, to answer questions about Whitewater. Since then her media exposure has been carefully choreographed for the most positive and often glowing results. But this is the kind of coverage Bill Clinton has attracted and his wife could anticipate in a city whose press corps prides itself on being tough.

JACK NEWFIELD: She is going to be sitting in Katz's Delicatessen with her mouth full of knish and 30 guys are going to be yelling at her to explain the $100,000 profit she made in the commodity trade in Arkansas in 1979.

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JACK NEWFIELD: She is going to be sitting in Katz's Delicatessen with her mouth full of knish and 30 guys are going to be yelling at her to explain the $100,000 profit she made in the commodity trade in Arkansas in 1979.

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) In fact, just this morning the popular New York radio personality Don Imus offered a taste of what Mrs. Clinton might expect.

DON IMUS: See, the last time we talked to her she was playing three card monte with billing records in the book room and jerking your chain on Wall Street and hiding suicide notes and she wants to run for the Senate against the most vicious person on the planet, Rudolph Giuliani? What is she nuts?

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) This afternoon, Mayor Giuliani, who has yet to announce his candidacy for the Senate, refused to speculate about a possible match up with Mrs. Clinton.

Mayor RUDOLPH GIULIANI: I don't have anything to say to her. I mean she's got to decide what she wants to do and I'll decide what I want to do and rather than play your game, I'll do it on my own terms.

CHRIS BURY: (voice-over) In New York, politics is a rough and tumble game. Consid

Sen. CHARLES SCHUMER: Al D'Amato used a cheap slur against me and then when asked lied about it.

LISA CAPUTO: I think Hillary Clinton is such a fighter. She's got a real tough skin and I think that if she could weather what she's weathered over the past six years, I think that she can just about weather anything.

CHRIS BURY: Two other popular first ladies, Jackie Kennedy and Eleanor Roosevelt, were also encouraged to run for the Senate and of course neither did. Some of those who have spoken with Mrs. Clinton in recent days are convinced she will ultimately follow their example. But until her decision is known, the political world will be asking is Hillary Clinton serious about a Senate race or is she just teasing.

>>6201625
My "Days of glory" are way behind now, so I just play it casually. I used to main Wii Fit Trainer, Charizard, and Lucario... yeah Im a bit weird...

>>6201696
She's just excited to be a part of things

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CHRIS WALLACE: Senator D'Amato, imagine that you're the Republican candidate in this race. Would it be delicate to run against the First Lady? Would you have to pull your punches?

AL D'AMATO, (R), Former Senator New York: (New York) You'd have to certainly be careful, particularly if you have a woman. But let me say she has a natural constituency. She'd rally a tremendous amount of support and she'd be a very formidable candidate and I think the media would just have a wonderful time, great, great theater and it would be a donnybrook. She would have everyone throughout the country following this race. The New York press corps is one of the toughest. Is she up to it? I think that she's weathered some pretty tough storms and she would be a tough candidate for anyone.

CHRIS WALLACE: You say it would be a donnybrook. We'll get into detail later, but briefly, how would you run against her? What are the one or two points that you think as a Republican you would want to make against her?

AL D'AMATO: Oh, I think you'd have to take, go right to her strength and indeed, she has been a great advocate on behalf of women and children, etc., and some of these programs are great programs, but someone has to pay for it. And so you'd have to try to take it on the plane as to who's going to pay and where does the money come from and will another Democrat elected to the Senate help New York as opposed to having someone who will be in the majority and who will be able to deliver for New Yorkers. You have to take it up scale. You cannot take it rough and tumble. Chuck and I had a rough and tumble one. I think you have to be very careful.

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>>6201680
holy shit

>>6201680
nice

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CHRIS WALLACE: Al D'Amato, let me ask you, how tough would it be to run in New York? You've done it many times. How tough would it be for Mrs. Clinton? What would she have to learn? What would she have to watch out for?

AL D'AMATO: Well, just about everything. There's every minefield you can possibly think about and certainly there are going to be people, you've heard it, who will be bringing up questions of stock transactions and missing documents and all of that kind of thing. So that's the theater of it. But when it really comes down to, it's going to come down to do people believe that she will make a difference, a positive difference for the state and I think if Rudy Giuliani is the candidate, he's got a tremendously formidable record. I'm proud of my record as having been able to deliver. And so we would contrast those things. And then the question being in the majority and being able to deliver. So would it be nasty? Yeah. I think the media's going to look to stir it up and we do our own part in it and it would be a slug fest, Rudy Giuliani, Al D'Amato or some of our other great candidates.

CHRIS WALLACE: We have to take a break here but when we return, let's look at some actual issues. Just what are Mrs. Clinton's strengths and weaknesses? And we'll continue our discussion in a moment.

(Commercial Break)

CHRIS WALLACE: And we're back again with Senator Alfonse D'Amato, Jerry Nachman and Mandy Grunwald.

Mandy, you just heard the senator refer to it. If Mrs. Clinton runs, won't she be hit with all of those old scandals, her role in Whitewater and Travelgate and the billing records?

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CHRIS WALLACE: Al D'Amato, let me ask you, how tough would it be to run in New York? You've done it many times. How tough would it be for Mrs. Clinton? What would she have to learn? What would she have to watch out for?

AL D'AMATO: Well, just about everything. There's every minefield you can possibly think about and certainly there are going to be people, you've heard it, who will be bringing up questions of stock transactions and missing documents and all of that kind of thing. So that's the theater of it. But when it really Break)

CHRIS WALLACE: And we're back again with Senator Alfonse D'Amato, Jerry Nachman and Mandy Grunwald.

Mandy, you just heard the senator refer to it. If Mrs. Clinton runs, won't she be hit with all of those old scandals, her role in Whitewater and Travelgate and the billing records?

MANDY GRUNWALD: You would think if the Republican Party have learned nothing else in the last couple years it's that that strategy has driven it to its lowest poll ratings in its history. I think Senator D'Amato might say that the Whitewater hearings he conducted contributed to the weakness he faced as a candidate for reelection last year. If that's the best they've got which is, you know, kind of recycling all that stuff again and trying to defeat her on scandal, I think she'd kill 'em.

CHRIS WALLACE: Senator D'Amato, is there still life in those old scandals?

AL D'AMATO: Well, I think it really would come from not the candidate himself, but I think the media's going to bring it up. I think that's just an inevitable fact. I mean I've run so

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JERRY NACHMAN: No, she's going to get hit very hard on that. But I think I want to agree with Mandy that on the issues she will do very well, Chris. It's going to come down to how brittle is she because she's going to get questioned on everything. Remember, if it's a Rudy Giuliani-Hillary Clinton election, there are going to be lots of questions about these two quirky marriages that these two candidates come from. There will be all the questions on Monica, all the things that the politicians say that it's not right to go into, the press will go into, and the question is Hillary, who's been able to duck as First Lady is going to have to learn from her husband. In 1992 when Clinton came to New York for the primary, he got pummeled mercilessly and we as journalists saw that this was the most resilient politician we'd ever seen. It was during the New York primary in 1992 where the Gennifer Flowers stuff, the I didn't inhale stuff, the draft dodgers stuff all came to a point and he won the New York State primary anyway. She could take a lot of lessons from her husband on how to get through those tough days.

CHRIS WALLACE: Mandy, how does Mrs. Clinton handle all that and why in the world, again, why would she want to?

MANDY GRUNWALD: I just keep laughing about the irony that we've spent the last year watching a group of people trying to kick the President out of office and now we have a group of people trying to drag her in. It's just, the juxtaposition is unbelievable. I think she could handle whatever she needs to handle. She has shown this year an unbelievable grace under pressure and has handled publicly things that nobody in the world has ever had to. If she wants this job, I have every faith that she'll know how to go about dealing with all the various things in the New York press, in the New York political system that she n

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MANDY GRUNWALD: Well, I think she learned a lot from the, from her episode in 1994 with health reform and has shown with the work she's done on other health care issues taking a smaller approach to things like HMO reform, the HMO Bill of Rights, children's health coverage, that she learned from that experience. I think she very much is part of what she and the President have always called the third way, the sort of centrist place they've taken the Democratic Party. And there, I think people would be in, actually, for a lot of surprises on questions like welfare reform where she very much supported what the President did. I think you'd be surprised that, you know, where she, where you might cal her a liberal and where you might call her a conservative. I think she's very much where the President is on a lot of these issues and I think New York has made that choice over and over again that they support the direction that the Clinton administration has taken this country.

CHRIS WALLACE: Jerry Nachman, Mrs. Clinton has also gone on record supporting a Palestinian state. Not good politics in New York, is it?

JERRY NACHMAN: No, she's going to get hit very hard on that. But I think I want to agree with Mandy that on the issues she will do very well, Chris. It's going to come down to how brittle ihen Clinton came to New York for the primary, he got pummeled mercilessly and we as journalists saw that this was the most resilient politician we'd ever seen. It was during the New York primary in 1992 where the Gennifer Flowers stuff, the I didn't inhale stuff, the draft

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CHRIS WALLACE: All right, well let's talk about that. As long as she's out there it freezes the race, Mandy, for any other Democrat. How long, realistically, does she really have to make up her mind?

MANDY GRUNWALD: I don't know if there's any specific time line. She said she'd make a decision later this year. I certainly think, you know, having worked for Senator Moynihan three times, I'd like the seat to stay Democratic and I'm sure he would, too. Hillary Clinton would be the best chance, I think, of assuring that, but Nita Lowey would be a strong candidate and there are probably others out there. I don't think there's a magic date. I think Hillary should take the time to make this decision right and if she doesn't run I assume she'll work very hard for whoever decides to.

CHRIS WALLACE: We've only got about 30 seconds left so I'm going to ask you all to share it and be brief about it. We know all the reasons why Mrs. Clinton would flirt with it, but let me ask, and start with you, Senator D'Amato, when it comes right down to it, what do you think, will she or won't she?

AL D'AMATO: Oh, I think there's a great chance she's going to run. She becomes her own person. I've always thought that money is not the thing she's going to be looking for, it's going to be prestige on her own. So it's a good likelihood.

CHRIS WALLACE: Very briefly, very briefly, Jerry Nachman.

JERRY NACHMAN: I'm not sure she has the belly for what the press is now doing jumping jacks waiting to do to her.

CHRIS
CHRIS WALLACE: Tomorrow on World News Tonight with Peter Jennings, a closer look when a country's entire genetic makeup is on file in a computer database, is it the perfect lab or the end of privacy?

And that's our report for tonight. I'm Chris Wallace in Washington. For all of us here at ABC News, good night.

>>6201680
These threads are weird.
Anyone even hints at mentioning Jack and it's "cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck" and then this, actual freaking cucking and everyone's just "fuck yeah!"

>>6201719
Sometimes I like to go for the weaker characters too, if I want to really tilt my friends
But yeah, fun game that's even better with friends. One of the rare times Nintendo hasn't fucked their fans.

>>6201487
Judy kicking the Joker in the ribs

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CHRIS WALLACE: All right, well let's talk about that. As long as she's out there it freezes the race, Mandy, for any other Democrat. How long, realistically, does she really have to make up her mind?

MANDY GRUNWALD: I don't know if there's any specific time line. She said she'd make a decision later this year. I certainly think, you know, having worked for Senator Moynihan three times, I'd like the seat to stay Democratic and I'm sure he would, too. Hillary Clinton would be the best chance, I think, of assuring that, but Nita Lowey would be a strong candidate and there are probably others out there. I don't think there's a magic date. I think Hillary should take the time to make this decision right and if she doesn't run I assume she'll work very hard for whoever decides to.

CHRIS WALLACE: We've only got about 30 seconds left so I'm going to ask you all to share it and be brief about it. We know all the reasons why Mrs. Clinton would flirt with it, but let me ask, and start with you, Senator D'Amato, when it comes right down to it, what do you think, will she or won't she?

AL D'AMATO: Oh, I think there's a great chance she's going to run. She becomes her own person. I've always thought that money is not the thing she's going to be looking for, it's going to be prestige on her own. So it's a good likelihood.

CHRIS WALLACE: Very briefly, very briefly, Jerry Nachman.

JERRY NACHMAN: I'm not sure she has the belly for what the press is now doing jumping jacks waiting to do to her.

CHRIS WALLACE: And Mandy Grunwald, yes or no?

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>>6201698

“Sunday Morning,” CBS, 2/21/1999
THE COMEBACK
CHARLES OSGOOD, host:
If Hillary Clinton were a stock traded on the big board, the sell-off would have come about four years ago. She was blamed for pushing too hard and too fast for her controversial national health-care program. She was being investigated, along with her husband, in a co--complex land deal which few people understood. She was suspected of hiding evidence from her previous work at an Arkansas law--law firm. She was the butt of jokes from late-night comics and political cartoonists, and had become sort of a dart board for the then triumphant Republicans who took control of Congress in 1994. But as any stock analyst will tell you, what goes down can sometimes come roaring back up. The Comeback is our cover story from Martha Teichner.
(Footage of Hillary Clinton)
Mr. SAM DONALDSON (ABC News): Mrs. Clinton, everybody wants to know if you're going to run for the Senate.


MARTHA TEICHNER reporting:

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what goes down can sometimes come roaring back up. The Comeback is our cover story from Martha Teichner.
(Footage of Hillary Clinton)
Mr. SAM DONALDSON (ABC News): Mrs. Clinton, everybody wants to know if you're going to run for the Senate.


MARTHA TEICHNER reporting:
(Voiceover) She will decide, say her friends, when she has done what one calls her due diligence. This past week, every move she made was watched, not for body language clues as to the state of her marriage, post-impeachment, post-Monica, but to guess her political intentions. Never mind all the speculation. Her advisers insist the decision will be made, not in a matter of days, but weeks, possibly even months, when she has immersed herself totally in the pros and cons of running for the Senate in New York.
Unidentified Pollster #1: If the next election for US Senate in New York state were held today, whom would you support if the candidates are Rudy Giuliani, the Republican, and Hillary Clinton, the Democrat?
Unidentified Woman #1: Hillary Clinton.
(Footage of poll takers on telephones)

>>6201770
I didn't see anywhere in these pages that Sky(e) was in a relationship with Jack, did you?

>>6201770
male competition vs FFM threesome.

I assume.

>>6201770
See, I just don't post about it if I don't like it
When it comes to cuck as a meme however, I've mastered taking the bait: after all, if there wasn't any drama you wouldn't like love us like you do.

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Unidentified Pollster #1: If the next election for US Senate in New York state were held today, whom would you support if the candidates are Rudy Giuliani, the Republican, and Hillary Clinton, the Democrat?
Unidentified Woman #1: Hillary Clinton.
(Footage of poll takers on telephones)
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) But if the election were held today, according to the polls, Hillary Rodham Clinton would beat New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani by 11 percent.
Unidentified Pollster #2: Do you have a favorable or an unfavorable impression of Hillary Clinton?
Unidentified Man #1: Favorable.
(Visuals of covers of poll printouts; poll printout form; footage of poll takers working at computers)
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) On Tuesday night, in a new survey conducted by the Marist College poll in Poughkeepsie, New York, New York state voters liked Mrs. Clinton by better than a 2:1 margin. The numbers seem to reinforce the notion that the first lady is the only person to emerge from the White House scandals with her reputation intact, if not enhanced.
Unidentified Pollster #3: You say Hillary Clinton. OK.

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Unidentified Pollster #3: You say Hillary Clinton. OK.
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) We wanted to know if that's really true, so we asked the Marist pollsters to tack on a question for us.
Pollster #3: Do you like Hillary Clinton more or less than you did two years ago?
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) Five out of 10 people liked her more, only two out of 10 liked her less. But what was interesting was why.
Unidentified Woman #2: She's a woman of character. I think she knows what she wants, and she's gonna get it.
(Footage of pollsters)
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) How she handled the scandals was not the main reason people liked her more. It was significant, but the number one reason was, paraphrasing, 'how she has grown as a person.'
Unidentified Man #2: After watching her for a couple of years, she's just a very smart lady.
Pollster #3: Why do you like Hillary Clinton less now than you did two years ago?
Unidentified Woman #3: Why?
Pollster #3: Yes.
Woman #3: Because I just don't understand why she'd stay with her husband and let him make a fool of her.
(Footage of pollsters; computer screen; Teichner and Miringoff)
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) The like-her-less people, by almost 2:1, said it was because of Mrs. Clinton's handling of the scandals, their feelings about her mostly tied to their opinions of the president. But again, overwhelmingly people liked her more than they did two years ago.
Mr. LEE MIRINGOFF (Director, Marist Poll): So there's a sense now of the beginnings of an assessment of her in her own right.
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) Lee Miringoff is director of the Marist poll.

Hello ztg I am eating an entire bowl of popcorn

What did I miss

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>>6201770
Its different when theres OC involved, right?

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>>6201777
Trips confirm, daddy-o

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Mr. MIRINGOFF: I don't think it's, you know, an issue of a traditional role vs. a non-traditional role. I don't think it's an issue just strictly of Hillary Clinton vs. Hillary Rodham Clinton. I think it has to do with what she represents.
(Footage of Hillary Clinton)
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) The turnaround has been remarkable.
Mrs. HILLARY CLINTON: I just want to say before I go in that I am happy to answer the grand jury's questions.
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) This is, after all, the only first lady ever hauled before a grand jury. In January 1996, the same month she testified on Whitewater issues, her approval ratings registered disapproval, another first for a first lady. The figures were 36 percent negative, only 26 percent positive, according to a CBS poll.
Ms. GAIL SHEEHY (Journalist): She's so allergic to scrutiny that she causes more scrutiny.
(Footage of Sheehy; visual of Vanity Fair cover and inside pages)
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) Journalist Gail Sheehy's look at the Clintons' marriage was featured in February's Vanity Fair, and she's writing a book about the first lady.
Ms. SHEEHY: Being very not forthcoming with information all the way through only created more and more suspicion and gave more and more ammunition to their enemies on the right.
(Footage of Democratic convention)
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What was the last Pack Street chapter? Not sure if I'm caught up.

>>6201796
>Judy's getting off to watching her significant other plow someone other than her
>Women can't be cucks, tho
The meme has gone too far

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women, but there were no more pictures of her embattled and defensive on the evening news.
Unidentified Reporter #2: Did you have anything to do with this, and what...
Mrs. CLINTON: I--I--it's the first I've heard of it. I know nothing about it. I have no comment about it.
(Excerpt from "Rosie O'Donnell Show")
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) "The Rosie O'Donnell Show" was another story. Her friends and staff say she is just reaching the audience she needs to reach, middle-class women. Her critics say she has repackaged herself as a traditional first lady.
(Photograph of Mrs. Clinton and O'Donnell)
Ms. SHEEHY: I think that Hillary has very cleverly figured out that having been a projection for Americans since she came into the White House and whether they demonize her as the, you know, yuppie wife from hell, or whether they see her as, you know, the most graceful stand-by-your man wife, sh--if--if it's going her way, the less she says, the better.
(Footage of Bill Clinton; Mrs. Clinton; visual of Vogue cover; footage of Mr. and Mrs. Clinton)
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) By the time the Monica story hit in January 1998, Mrs. Clinton's numbers were already way up, 45 percent positive, 27 percent negative, according to a CBS poll. She stood by her man ane even when her husband was losing to Bill Clinton in 1992.
KATHLEEN FRANKOVIC (CBS News): It's fair to say that she was, in fact, being judged by different standards than other first ladies, but part of that is probably because she was acting as first lady in a different way from other first ladies.

>>6201834
Tag

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different way from other first ladies.
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) Kathleen Frankovic heads the CBS News polling unit.
FRANKOVIC: It's very clear that the--the views that people have of Mrs. Clinton are very mus--much affected by the partisan lenses they look through and they're also very much affected by gender.
TEICHNER: Republican men, according to the polls, still can't stand Hillary Clinton by more than 3:1. Republican women are almost evenly divided. Democrats, on the other hand, men and women, support her by 10:1 or more, so by anybody's calculations, Mrs. Clinton is a major asset to the Democratic Party.
(Footage of Hillary Clinton)
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) She proved herself an indispensable campaigner and fund-raiser before last November's elections. If she ran for the Senate, she couldn't be out there campaigning for other candidates. As fiercely private as Mrs. Clinton is, her friends and staff say she is not intimidated by the prospect of having old wounds reopened if she runs. She is concerned about protecting Chelsea, and whether the Senate is the right place for her. Former New York Governor Mario Cuomo has another idea.
Former Governor MARIO CUOMO (New York): She could be a great vice president, especially if the Republicans make Elizabeth Dole their vice presidential candidate, which I suspect is what's going to happen.
(Split screen footage of Mrs. Clinton and Mrs. Dole)
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) Right, Clinton and Dole all over again. A friend of the first lady's remarked, 'It's too cute by half.' But the point is, she has choices, perhaps more than her husband will have.
Mr. CUOMO: If she didn't run for the Senate, she would be--and didn't run for anything--she would be one of the most important people in this country anyway.
(Excerpt from Mrs. Clinton's graduation address at Wellesley College)

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Mrs. CLINTON: Throw yourself into the world and make your voice count.
(Footage of Mr. and Mrs. Clinton)
TEICHNER: (Voiceover) They will surely be a blueprint to the choices she makes when Hillary Rodham Clinton emerges after eight years of her husband's presidency, and it's finally her turn.
(Visual of SUNDAY MORNING sun logo)
OSGOOD: We go ramblin' with Jack Elliott, next on SUNDAY MORNING.
(Announcements)

“Good Morning America,” ABC, 3/24/1999
THE FIRST LADY IN NORTH AFRICA
DIANE SAWYER: First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and her daughter Chelsea are in the middle of a two-week tour of northern Africa. Their second spring break in Africa together ever. They're going to visit three African countries beginning first in Egypt. We thought we would look at some of the not so home movies.

HILLARY CLINTON: Countries which help girls to be educated and give girls good health care, good nutrition, good opportunities..

BARBARA WALTERS: You know she's acting as a good will ambassador. But what fascinating countries to see. I mean to be able to take Chelsea and do that kind of sight seeing in Tunisia and Egypt and Morocco, very exotic, exciting place.

DIANE SAWYER: It's true. And Chelsea always emerges in the middle of this, too, as someone with such poise and grace in these situations. We see her going into a mosque now cutting ribbon. She also toured a bazaar and had a great time just interacting with some of the people in the bazaar, we're told. And she not only that while

>>6201850
I'm it?

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“Good Morning America,” ABC, 3/24/1999
THE FIRST LADY IN NORTH AFRICA
DIANE SAWYER: First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and her daughter Chelsea are in the middle of a two-week tour of northern Africa. Their second spring break in Africa together ever. They're going to visit three African countries beginning first in Egypt. We thought we would look at some of the not so home movies.

HILLARY CLINTON: Countries which help girls to be educated and give girls good health care, good nutrition, good opportunities..

BARBARA WALTERS: You know she's acting as a good will ambassador. But what fascinating countries to see. I mean to be able to take Chelsea and do that kind of sight seeing in Tunisia and Egypt and Morocco, very exotic, exciting place.

DIANE SAWYER: It's true. And Chelsea always emerges in the middle of this, too, as someone with such poise and grace in these situations. We see her going into a mosque now cutting ribbon. She also toured a bazaar and had a great time just interacting with some of the people in the bazaar, we're told. And she not only that while she was there, was very relaxed talking about the fact that she might indeed run for Senate.

BARBARA WALTERS: Uh-huh. We thought she would have a respite there. She was still asked about it. She says she'll cope with it when she gets home.

DIANE SAWYER: Do you think she'll do it? Do you want to bet?

BARBARA WALTERS: What do you think?

DIANE SAWYER: Not sure. Still can't believe it.

BARBARA WALTERS: You have to say yes she will. I don't want a I'm not sure bet.

DIANE SAWYER: I bet I don't think so.

BARBARA WALTERS: I bet she will. What are we betting?

DIANE SAWYER: Done, we'll be back.

(Commercial Break)

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DIANE SAWYER: I bet I don't think so.

BARBARA WALTERS: I bet she will. What are we betting?

DIANE SAWYER: Done, we'll be back.

(Commercial Break)

DIANE SAWYER: So before you go, I'm not Hispanic, I'm not so young, I'm marginally hip, can still audition for "The View"? Please?

BARBARA WALTERS: We're going to say later on we have now narrowed it down to three. We're going to ask people to stop sending tapes. We got thousands of tapes. But we're down to the, you know, the last few.

ANTONIO MORA: If Tony and I put on dresses it won't work either?

BARBARA WALTERS: That's a flop.

DIANE SAWYER: The "Tootsie" approach.

BARBARA WALTERS: I love being with you. We tease each other, but I really do enjoy it. And I'm so glad it's just for one day.

DIANE SAWYER: I don't suppose tomorrow you want to sleep in, are you serious?

BARBARA WALTERS: Very serious. I'll get up and watch you.

DIANE SAWYER: Please do watch. Tomorrow we have astonishing surgery. You got to see this. In the womb, on twins, will it work?

We will see you tomorrow.

A FAIR PAY ROUND TABLE, 4/7/1999
REMARKS BY PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON
AND FIRST LADY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON AT
A FAIR PAY ROUND TABLE
450 OLD EXECUTIVE OFFICE BUILDING
WASHINGTON, D.C.
(Applause.)

>>6201806
Heh I'm not complaining about the art or anything, I'm just finding the reaction to it kinda funny that's all.

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MRS. CLINTON: Thank you, and welcome to the White House. Please be seated. We are delighted to have you here this afternoon to help commemorate Equal Pay Day, which is tomorrow. I'm glad to see so many both new and old faces in the fight for equal pay.
And we know that this is a struggle that has taken some time. We've made a lot of progress, but I hope that we'll eventually see the end of Equal Pay Day because the goal will have been achieved, and we won't have to have any sessions like this, where we continue to talk about it.

We know that women who walk into the grocery store are not asked to pay 25 percent less for milk, they're not asked by their landlords to pay 25 percent less for rent, and they should no longer be asked to try to make their ends meet and their family incomes what they should be by having 25 percent less in their paychecks.
That is the truth. (Laughter.) But Hillary didn't tell you the rest of the story.
omen's rights -- it has nothing to do with the wife he has or the daughters he's raised -- but Senator Tom Harkin, who is a real champion. (Applause.) Also Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton is here with us -- (applause) -- EEOC Chairwoman Ida Castro. (Applause.) And I want to thank two local officials who are here, Lewiston (sp) mayor Callie Terra (sp) and Georgia representative Sharon Beasley (sp), for their contributions as well. (Applause.)
I also want to pay a special word of appreciation to Linda Chavez-Thompson and the AFL-CIO, Gail Chaeffer (sp) and the Business and Professional Women, Susan Bianchi Sand (sp) and the National Committee on Pay Equity. Together, these groups have helped lead the fight for pay equity, and they will be organizing hundreds of grass- roots events around the country tomorrow.

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>>6201838
Relationships are nice, but nothing beats the compatibility within a species

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In a few minutes, we are going to hear from our four panelists. They will be able to tell you in their own words why they are here. But when you have heard from Professor Nancy Hopkins, Sonya Tyler (sp), Caroline Gant (sp) and Patricia Higgins, you will appreciate, as I think all of us who have ever been in the world of work do, the struggles and the challenges and the victories that they have faced and the way they represent so many other women.
One of my staff members was home for the holidays last week, and there was a cartoon stuck up on the refrigerator in her house. I mean, that is where everybody keeps all of their reminders, their namesakes, their children's drawings and all the important documents, at least in my experience. And her mother, without knowing anything about this day and this particular commemoration, had cut out a cartoon, which showed six people sitting around a conference-room table, all in suits, all wearing glasses, all men. And one of them announces, "Gentlemen, we must cut our expenses in half, so I am replacing each of you with a woman." (Laughter.)
Now clearly, these are not as bad as the cartoon -- you know, they have to exaggerate to get our attention -- and things clearly have improved. As a recent Council of Economic Advisers report makes clear, the gap between women's and men's wages has narrowed since 1963. But women still bring home only about 75 cents for every man's dollar.
And I think it is important that, despite this longtime inequity, there are still those who claim that this is a made-up problem, that any wage gap between men and women can be explained away by the choices women make. And we all know that individual women, thank goodness, make different choices; that

>>6201838
The cuck meme was invented by insecure men as a mental defense, after all.

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Many people have worked for the goal of equal pay over the years, and I want to thank some who are here, starting with our wonderful secretary of labor, Alexis Herman, as well as a great advocate for equal pay and women's rights -- it has nothing to do with the wife he has or the daughters he's raised -- but Senator Tom Harkin, who is a real champion. (Applause.) Also Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton is here with us -- (applause) -- EEOC Chairwoman Ida Castro. (Applause.) And I want to thank two local officials who are here, Lewiston (sp) mayor Callie Terra (sp) and Georgia representative Sharon Beasley (sp), for their contributions as well. (Applause.)
I also want to pay a special word of appreciation to Linda Chavez-Thompson and the AFL-CIO, Gail Chaeffer (sp) and the Business and Professional Women, Susan Bianchi Sand (sp) and the National Committee on Pay Equity. Together, these groups have helped lead the fight for pay equity, and they will be organizing hundreds of grass- roots events around the country tomorrow.
In a few minutes, we are going to hear from our four panelists. They will be ab announces, "Gentlemen, we must cut our expenses in half, so I am replacing each of you with a woman." (Laughter.)
Now clearly, these are not as bad as the cartoon -- you know, they have to exaggerate to get our attention -- and things clearly have improved. As a recent Council of Economic Advisers report makes clear, the gap between women's and men's wages has narrowed since 1963. But women still bring home only about 75 cents for every man's dollar.
And I think it is important that, despite this longtime inequity, there are still those who claim that this is a made-up problem, that any wage gap between men and women can be explained away by the choices women make. And we all know that individual women, thank goodness, make different choices; that

>>6201776
You can add me, I'm Chris_gerardson over there.

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>>6201888
>trips
N-nani?

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One of my staff members was home for the holidays last week, and there was a cartoon stuck up on the refrigerator in her house. I mean, that is where everybody keeps all of their reminders, their namesakes, their children's drawings and all the important documents, at least in my experience. And her mother, without knowing anything about this day and this particular commemoration, had cut out a cartoon, which showed six people sitting around a conference-room table, all in suits, all wearing glasses, all men. And one of them announces, "Gentlemen, we must cut our expenses in half, so I am replacing each of you with a woman." (Laughter.)
Now clearly, these are not as bad as the cartoon -- you know, they have to exaggerate to get our attention -- and things clearly have improved. As a recent Council of Economic Advisers report makes clear, the gap between women's and men's wages has narrowed since 1963. But women still bring home only about 75 cents for every man's dollar.
And I think it is important that, despite this longtime inequity, there are still those who claim that this is a made-up problem, that any wage gap between men and women can be explained away by the choices women make. And we all know that individual women, thank goodness, make different choices; that women, for personal reasons or other professional reasons, may choose a particular career or work pattern that results in lower wages.
But this is not an accurate finding, and those who promote it shouldalaries that can best be explained by one phenomenon, the continuing presence and the persistent effect of discrimination, sometimes in very subtle ways. And we'll hear about some of that from one of our panelists.
In fact, recently an important report issued by the Massachusetts ssions still find themselves bumping up against some gender discrimination.

>Dress to Undress finally updated
Also how can someone with such a cute style draw faces that odd?

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Let us not blame everywhere, but where it most belongs, with the gun industry and with the government that protects it. When we look at gun violence in other industrialized nations, listen to these statistics. They're shocking. Our culpability is clear. According to the Center for Disease Control, U.S. children are 12 times more likely to die from firearm injuries than our children in the 26 other industrial nations combined. In all those other nations combined, the child has one-twelfth of the chance of dying from firearms injury compared to a child in the U.S.
To those who say there's something terribly wrong with an American culture, a culture that breeds the sort of children who are capable of wreaking such carnage, I say it isn't our American culture that's wrong; what's wrong is our love affair with guns. (Applause.)
Now it's my honor to introduce John Conyers, the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee. Among his many distinctions, which include being a founding member of the Congressional Black Caucus, Mr. Conyers is the second most senior member of the House of Representatives. He is now serving his 18th term. John Conyers.
REP. JOHN CONYERS (D-MI): (Applause.) Thank you very much.
I want to thank the president and the first lady for their courage and leadership in the wake of the Littleton tragedy. On all fronts, the president and the first lady and all of us here today, in the administration, and especially the Congress, continue to show us what leadership really means when the going gets difficult.
Now, the tragedy in Colorado was one of unprecedented proportion, but the sad truth is that each and every day, in every city and state, we experience firearm tragedies that snuff out lives that are just beginning. Each day in America, there are nearly two dozen firearm homicides. That amounts to a couple hundred a week. That's nearly 10,000 a year. And it doesn't include the 18,000 gun suicides that we experience each year.

>>6202194
Do not bully buns.

>>6202226
It's hard to look for something that doesn't exist, but I can dream.

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That comes to a total of 35,000 gun deaths in the United States annually.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's got to stop. We can do better, and that's why we're called to this place today. Those numbers compare to two handgun murders in New Zealand a year, 15 in Japan, 30 in all of Britain -- all countries that have meaningful gun control.
Now the best guess is that there are over 250 million guns in America, nearly one for every citizen of this country. Our streets are swimming with these weapons of death and destruction. Handgun murders are the leading cause for the death of African American men ages 15 to 34. And overwhelmingly all the data shows that in non- recreational settings, firearms are almost always used aggressively, not defensively.
The major political impediment to passing meaningful measures to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals is the National Rifle Association, who, in my judgment, has a choke hold on so many of the members of the Congress -- the NRA, who makes a killing selling guns.
Tomorrow in the House we plan to mark up the juvenile justice bill, and in the Judiciary Committee we will use all of the procedural rules at -- that I have to try to get a vote on some of the issues that have been discussed here toady. Let's start tomorrow trying to pass the measure that President Clinton has put forward. (Applause.)
The families of Littleton want to hear from us. The families of tens of thousands of murder victims in America want to hear from us. And it's an outrage, and I call upon the chairman of the Judiciary Committee and the speaker of the House to schedule this proposal for action on the House floor before the Memorial Day recess. We want action now. (Applause.)

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>>6202226
you say that like it's a bad thing

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that my husband was killed on the Long Island Railroad, and told me that my son was fighting for his life. I thought of Suzanne Wilson, who lost her daughter last year in Jonesboro. I thought of all the other school shootings that we've seen in the last year and a half. I thought of all the committee hearings thahad in the last year on how to deal with this issue.

And then I thought of all the victims in the last number of years that have lost someone. And here we are, talking about what can we do.
I have to tell you it's extremely frustrating, because we are faced with silence all the time. We're hearing from the other side already: "There is nothing we can do." I'm sorry, you have heard of so many proposals; there IS something we can do. There has to be something that we can do. (Applause.)
All of us here, every single one of us here -- and, believe me, a lot more -- are willing to fight for the American people. We're willing to fight for our children.
But you know what's going to happen? We'll go to committee, and there will be silence as the shootings go on. When we go to the speaker of the House and beg for a debate on the floor, there will be silence, and the shootings will go on.
ass of killings for America to say, "Enough is enough"? Please don't let that happen.

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>>6202251
Sometimes, it's in everyone's best interest

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>>6202251
Bully every bun.

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that my husband was killed on the Long Island Railroad, and told me that my son was fighting for his life. I thought of Suzanne Wilson, who lost her daughter last year in Jonesboro. I thought of all the other school shootings that we've seen in the last year and a half. I thought of all the committee hearings that we've had in the last year on how to deal with this issue.

And then I thought of all the victims in the last number of years that have lost someone. And here we are, talking about what can we do.
I have to tell you it's extremely frustrating, because we are faced with silence all the time. We're hearing from the other side already: "There is nothing we can do." I'm sorry, you have heard of so many proposals; there IS something we can do. There has to be something that we can do. (Applause.)
All of us here, every single one of us here -- and, believe me, a lot more -- are willing to fight for the American people. We're willing to fight for our children.
But you know what's going to happen? We'll go to committee, and there will be silence as the shootings go on. When we go to the speaker of the House and beg for a debate on the floor, there will be silence, and the shootings will go on.
We will fight for you, but I have to tell you, the American public's voice has to be heard. We have to hear from you. (Applause.)
"It's not going to work." Is that what you want to keep hearing? "It's not going to work. You can't do it." Please.
We're burying our children in Colorado, and tomorrow we'll be burying 13 more, and the day after that we will be burying 13 more -- every single day. Do we have to have a larger mass of killings for America to say, "Enough is enough"? Please don't let that happen.

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Please, I'm asking everyone out there, call your representative. Let's hear from you. Give us the strength to keep fighting. Give us the power to win, because I have to tell you something I've learned in the very short time since I've been here in Congress: When enough people outside of Washington start calling into Washington, wow, people start listening. "Gee, maybe we should look at this."
Think about HMOs. Why are we even talking about it in Congress? Because the American people are demanding it.
I'm a nurse. Let's talk about what it's costing our health care. Because we've seen homicides go down -- and that's wonderful -- can we talk about the billions of dollars it's costing us because more of our young people are surviving? I know Secretary Riley would like that money for his education. I know the president would like that money for health care.
We can do this, people. We can do this, but you got to help us. I don't want to hear at the next violent shooting, "We can't do anything." I've heard it too many times in the last two years. We have to have your voices. Don't say that Congress can't do anything. You can make Congress do something.
President Clinton was there for my family when my husband was killed, and he tried to make this a safer nation, and he has. And I want to thank him for calling me or taking my call the night of last Tuesday, because I have to be honest with you; I didn't want to hear about another shooting. And I said to the president, "We have to do something." When he responded, the pain that was in his voice was so real, because he does feel the pain of the families and the children that have died, and he has seen too much. And I want to thank him for his dedication.
This is not an issue that politicians really like to push, believe me.

>>6202206
I really did oversell it, but just friends is fine too. The only time the thread doesn't like it is when it's a toy to play with nick's feelings for melodrama.

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>>6202280
Its not cucking, its the natural order of things

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I want to begin by saying that a lot of people have made remarkable contributions, I think, to this effort to get us to look at the violence of our culture and how it makes the most vulnerable of our children, without regard to their income or their social status, closer to the line of taking violent action, and how it complicates family life for everyone. I want to thank Hillary for what she's done. I also want to thank Al and Tipper Gore, who have done enormously important work on this for years to try to help us deal with the TV issues, the ratings, the V chips, and now the new efforts we've been making with the Internet community to give parents some more control over that, and the efforts we'll have to make to train the parents to figure out to do it, since their kids all know more about it than they do.
But this is very important stuff. In June, Tipper Gore's going to host our White House Conference on Mental Health, and the attorney general and Hillary and I were just talking about some of the things we can do to help to make sure that all of our schools have the adequate mentoring and mediation and even mental health services our kids need. All this is very important. And we have to deal with that.
But if you believe that we have special cultural challenges, it seems to me that that's an argument that we ought to bend over backwards to try to remove the opportunities for bad things happening if we have more kids that are vulnerable to doing those things, not an argument that we ought to say, well, we should walk away from that and just try to make sure everybody individually in the whole country never does anything wrong.

>>6202226
I would platonically cuddle a lot of anons from here.

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>>6202315
I didn't think it was possible to both hate and love an artist so much

bleh
didn't have a very good night tonight
i think i'm just gonna go die for 8 hours
maybe tomorrow will bring something better

gnight all

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many of you, I grew up in it. I was 12 years old the first time I took a 22 and shot it at a can on a fence post in the country. I know about this. We always talk about the NRA. The NRA has been powerful not only because they have a lot of money but because they can influence people who vote. And in that culture, pe sed to avoid individual responsibility. But we -- when we get to where we change, then we wonder -- we look back, and we say, "How could we have ever done it otherwise?"
Let me ask you something. Next time you get on an airplane, think about how you'd feel if the headline in the morning paper right before you got on the airplane was, "Airport metal detectors and x-ray machines abolished as infringement on Americans' constitutional right to travel." Think about it. That's the headline in the morning paper. Then right next to it there's another headline: "Terrorist groups expanding operations in the United States." And you read the two headlines, and you're getting on the airplane, exercising your constitutional right to travel, which is now no longer "infringed" by the fact that you might have to go through the metal detector twice and take out your money clip or take off your heavily metaled belt, and that somebody is x-raying your luggage as it gets on the airplane. It's unthinkable now, isn't it?


This will become unthink

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parents some more control over that, and the efforts we'll have to make to train the parents to figure out to do it, since their kids all know more about it than they do.
But this is very important stuff. In June, Tipper Gore's going to host our White House Conference on Mental Health, and the attorney general and Hillary and I were just talking about some of the things we can do to help to make sure that all of our schools have the adequate mentoring and mediation and even mental health services our kids need. All this is very important. And we have to deal with that.
But if you believe that we have special cultural challenges, it seems to me that that's an argument that we ought to bend over backwards to try to remove the opportunities for bad things happening if we have more kids that are vulnerable to doing those things, not an argument that we ought to say, well, we should walk away from that and just try to make sure everybody individually in the whole country never does anything wrong.
And what's the real problem here? The problem is we have another culture in our country that I think has gotten confused about its objectives. We have a huge hunting and sport shooting culture in America, and unlike many of you, I grew up in it. I was 12 years old the first time I took a 22 and shot it at a can on a fence post in the country. I know about this. We always talk about the NRA. The NRA has been powerful not only because they have a lot of money but because they can influence people who vote. And in that culture, people believe everybody should be personally

>>6202351
night, friend

>>6202351
Are you giving us a bad Yelp review?
Come back when you're feeling better, anon

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backwards to try to remove the opportunities for bad things happening if we have more kids that are vulnerable to doing those things, not an argument that we ought to say, well, we should walk away from that and just try to make sure everybody individually in the whole country never does anything wrong.
And what's the real problem here? The problem is we have another culture in our country that I think has gotten confused about its objectives. We have a huge hunting and sport shooting culture in America, and unlike many of you, I grew up in it. I was 12 years old the first time I took a 22 and shot it at a can on a fence post in the country. I know about this. We always talk about the NRA. The NRA has been powerful not only because they have a lot of money but because they can influence people who vote. And in that culture, people believe everybody should be personally responsible for their actions; if you just punish people who do wrong more harshly, fewer people will do wrong; and everybody tells me I've got a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, so don't fool with me; and every reasonable restriction is just the camel's nose in the tent; and pretty soon they'll come after my shotgun and I'll miss the next duck hunting season. And we smile about that, but there are some people who would be on this platform today, who lost their seats in 1994 because they voted for the Brady bill and they voted for the assault weapons ban, and they did it in areas where people could be frightened.

And the voters had not had enough time, which they did have within two more years, to see that nobody was going to take their gun away.
So we have more than one cultural problem here, and I want to make a plea to everybody who is waiting

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>>6202341
natural order!

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>>6201770
Actually, come to think about it some more, it's because in other pics Nick hasn't been shown to enjoy it. It's not a fetish for him. All the "cucking" that Nick gets put through is more akin to NTR.

These pics, on the other hand, are actual cucking. It's a fetish thing for Judy, she's consenting to it (and is very enthusiastic about it) and she's not "losing" Nick to Skye.

Pic Related is one of the actual "Nick Gets Cucked" pics out there that's not NTR.

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In the interest/as an excuse of providing content to a spammed thread - two lewdfics I'll shamelessly reshill.

Cracks: Marty/Ozzy Shipfic. Ozzy has a bad day, Marty has a bad day as a result. They cry. They fuck. Martina marginally included!
http://pastebin.com/uSAHK7Wt

Spitting Image: Al has doubts about his role on Pack Street. He voices these issues to Remmy, in the guise of reconciling. They laugh. They fuck.
http://pastebin.com/Skh7ZtEw

Please give any feedback! I'm currently working on an Bellwether-centric fic and would love input on how to improve.

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for the next deer season in my home state to think about this in terms of what our reasonable obligations to the larger community of America are.
Do we know for absolutely certain that if we'd had every reasonable law than the ones I'm going to propose here, that none of these school violence things would have happened? No. But we do know one thing for certain; we know there would have been fewer of them, and there would have been fewer kids killed in the last several years in America. We know that for certain. (Applause.) We know that.
And cultures are hard to change, and cultures should never be used to avoid individual responsibility. But we -- when we get to where we change, then we wonder -- we look back, and we say, "How could we have ever done it otherwise?"
Let me ask you something. Next time you get on an airplane, think about how you'd feel if the headline in the morning paper right before you got on the airplane was, "Airport metal detectors and x-ray machines abolished as infringement on Americans' constitutional right to travel." Think about it. That's the headline in the morning paper. Then right next to it there's another headline: "Terrorist groups expanding operations in the United States." And you read the two headlines, and you're getting on the airplane, exercising your constitutional right to travel, which is now no longer "infringed" by the fact that you might have to go through the metal detector twice and take out your money clip or take off your heavily metaled belt, and that somebody is x-raying your luggage as it gets on the airplane. It's unthinkable now, isn't it?


This will become unthinkable, too, that we should ever reverse these things, if we ever have enough sense to do them. (Applause.)

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abolished as infringement on Americans' constitutional right to travel." Think about it. That's the headline in the morning paper. Then right next to it there's another headline: "Terrorist groups expanding operations in the United States." And you read the two headlines, and you're getting on the airplane, exercising your constitutional right to travel, which is now no longer "infringed" by the fact that you might have to go through the metal detector twice and take out your money clip or take off your heavily metaled belt, and that somebody is x-raying your luggage as it gets on the airplane. It's unthinkable now, isn't it?


This will become unthinkable, too, that we should ever reverse these things, if we ever have enough sense to do them. (Applause.)
Now -- but we still have a cultural and a political argument that says to defend Americans' rights to reasonable hunting and sports shooting, we have to defend the indefensible as well. This is -- it doesn't make any sense at all unless you're caught up in this sort of web of distorted logic and denial.
But Carolyn McCarthy may have made the most important point here. You know, we're all in here preaching to the saved. You wouldn't be here if you didn't agree. But somebody needs to call these members that grew up where I grew up, that lived in the same culture I did, that belong to both parties, and say, "Hey, we've got to make this like airport metal detectors and x-ray machines. This is about our community. This is about our responsibility to our children. This is about protecting our children and the vulnerable children themselves from people who are about to go over the line, here." And this is crazy that we're living in a society that takes no reasonable steps to protect the larger community.

Reposting in this thread since the last one is kill

>>6198476

Funnily enough, I have been stalking around while trying to work on this week's TT.

I see what you mean about the details in the crossover, you have to know a lot about both Shadowrun and Zootopia for it to really click. But, if I try to put it in the margins with expository dialog then it's going to ruin the flow of action.

I'm gonna have to think about that, thank you very much for the feedback!

>>6202309
Yeah. Even if I'm not a shipper of it I'm totally fine with seeing it, and the cuck stuff seems kinda lame.

I'm even the type of person that doesn't mind cuck if it's just brief and stupid, but this whole 'nick loves judy but he gets cucked/can't sort out his feelings/is just unhappy all the time' has gotten pretty stale.

To a point where I'd ALMOST consider it refreshing to see it happen to Judy instead, if it has to happen at all.

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>>6202228
Seriously, their faces are pretty distracting

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tent, you know? (Applause.)
I have had to go to through those metal detectors as many as three times back when I had a real life -- (laughter) -- and I was traveling around because I had all kinds of stuff in there. You know, and every time I started to get a little aggravated, I'd think, "Boy, I don't want that plane to blow up." (Laughter.) You know? Make me go through a dozen times if you want to, and the person behind me.
Now, we've got to think about this in that way. These are the folks we have to reach. When there are no constituents for this movement, the movement will evaporate. When people from rural Pennsylvania and rural West Virginia and rural Colorado and Idaho start calling their congressmen and saying, "Hey, we can live with this. We can live with this. This is no big deal, you know? I mean, we're just out there doing what we do. We believe -- we'll gladly put up with an extra hassle, a little wait, a little this, a little that, because we want to save several thousand kids a year."
That is my challenge to you. (Applause.) That is what is going on.
Now here are the things we ttle wait, a little this, a little that, because we want to save several thousand kids a year."
That is my challenge to you. (Applause.) That is what is going on.
Now here are the things we ttle wait, a little this, a little that, because we want to save several thousand kids a year."
That is my challenge to you. (Applause.) That is what is going on.
Now here are the things we ttle wait, a little this, a little that, because we want to save several thousand kids a year."
That is my challenge to you. (Applause.) That is what is going on.
Now here are the things we want to do. A lot of you won't think they're enough, but you remember the culture. You change the culture, we'll change the laws. You change the message, we'll do it. And none of them have anything to do with anybody's legitimate right to hunt.

>>6202351
Don't feel down from the spam. Sorry if your day wasn't great. If I could, I'd >>6202332 you
I genuinely hope you feel better, anon. And it's called sleeping, not dying.

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And so we have to say -- we haven't asked you to abolish your gun shows, but we've asked you to undergo the inconvenience necessary to save more lives. We don't have to be insensitive, we just have to be determined. But I'm telling you, if we don't do something about this gun show loophole, we're going to continue to have serious, serious problems. And it's very important. (Appaluse.)
The second thing we've got to do is to strengthen the assault weapons ban, to close the loophole that allows dealers to sell older high-capacity ammunition magazines manufactured abroad. Now, I bet you when Senator Feinstein was talking about this, you thought, "Now, who in the world could be against this?" I actually had a conversation with a member of Congress who said to me -- serious, a good person, who's a really good person -- when we were doing this back in '94, a really good person, this person I was talking to, who told me -- (laughter) -- let me tell you -- I just want you to understand what the argument was -- he said, "But you've got to understand, we've got people who use these bigger magazines for certain kinds of sport contests."
And I said, "Well, so what?" (Laughter.) But he said, "They'll beat me if I vote for this." I said, "They'll beat you if they think all you're doing is making their life miserable because some Washington bureaucrat asked you to do it. If you can explain to them that it's worth a minor alteration in their sporting habits to save people's lives, they won't beat you."
But my point is, you've got to help these people. See, you hear this, and you think, "God, this is a no-brainer, this is a hundred-to- nothing deal, who in the wide world could ever be" -- you have to understand, there is another culture out there, and almost everybody in it is God fearing, law abiding, tax paying, and they show up when they're needed, and they don't like this because they don't understand that if they do what you're asking them to do, they can save a lot of lives.

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And we have got to fix this. This is just pure mathematics you're going to have fewer people die if you get rid of these magazines.
So you need to go out there where the problem is and debate your fellow citizens and discuss it with them. It's important.
The third thing the legislation would do is to raise the legal age of handgun possession from 18 to 21 years. (Applause.) It would also strengthen our zero tolerance for guns in schools, which, as one of the previous members said, had led us to 6,000 suspensions or expulsions last year, by requiring schools to report to the police any student who brings a gun to school and requiring that the student get counseling.

That, I think, is very important.
The provision holding adults criminally responsible would only apply but -- this is quite important -- but it would apply if they recklessly failed to keep firearms out of the reach of young people. This would mandate a steep increase in penalties for adults who transfer guns illegally to juveniles; it would require child safety locks to be sold with all new guns. (Applause.)
Finally, it would crack down on illegal gun trafficking, doubling the number of cities now working with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to trace every gun seized by the police. I know this is very important to Congresswoman McCarthy. (Applause.) It would require that dealers submit information not only on the guns they sell, but on used guns which are often very hard for law enforcement agents to trace. It would significantly increase penalties for gun runners caught trafficking large numbers of firearms. It would establish a national system, as soon as it's feasible, to limit handgun purchases to one a month, following the lead of Virginia. (Applause.)

>>6202378
This looks like just plain cheating

>>6202378
Ughhh Bittenhard
Never have I liked an artist's work as much as I have despised their fetishes.

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seriously consider what this might mean for our efforts to control the law enforcement aspects of this.
So, these are the things that I wanted to say. But I hope you'll remember what I said to you about the culture. We do have to keep working on the culture. Hillary's right about it, Al and Tipper Gore are right about it. We've got a lot of responsibilities. We've got to keep working on the services that kids -- we've even got to work on making, helping parents actually communicate with their children.
One senator called me the night before last and said he'd had a town meeting in his state with children. And he asked how many of the school children had actually talked with their parents about what happened in Littleton, and only 10 percent of the kids raised their hand. And one child said, "I had to go and turn off the television and tell my parents we were going to talk about it." She said, "They're just scared. You know, they're scared. They didn't know how to talk about it." So there are all these cultural issues.
And then there's this big cultural issue of the gun and sport hunting culture.

And I hope that -- a lot of my folks at home might take offense at what I said today, but I'm trying to help explain them to you. And I felt comfortable taking on these issues, and I thought maybe I was in a unique position to take on all these gun issues all these years because of where I grew up and because I understand how people think who don't agree with this.
But I'm telling you, we've got to keep working until people start thinking about this stuff the same way they think about x-rays and metal detectors at airports. That's the goal. It -- we have to redefine the national community so that we h won't make all the difference doesn't make -- mean it won't make a difference. It will make a difference. (Applause.)

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happened in Littleton, and only 10 percent of the kids raised their hand. And one child said, "I had to go and turn off the television and tell my parents we were going to talk about it." She said, "They're just scared. You know, they're scared. They didn't know how to talk about it." So there are all these cultural issues.
And then there's this big cultural issue of the gun and sport hunting culture.

And I hope that -- a lot of my folks at home might take offense at what I said today, but I'm trying to help explain them to you. And I felt comfortable taking on these issues, and I thought maybe I was in a unique position to take on all these gun issues all these years because of where I grew up and because I understand how people think who don't agree with this.
But I'm telling you, we've got to keep working until people start thinking about this stuff the same way they think about x-rays and metal detectors at airports. That's the goal. It -- we have to redefine the national community so that we have a shared obligation to save children's lives, and we've got to get out of this crazy denial that this won't make a difference. This -- it's crazy, it won't make -- just because it won't make all the difference doesn't make -- mean it won't make a difference. It will make a difference. (Applause.)
And so -- so I implore you to remember what these members have said. I implore you to go out and get people going at the grass roots, as Carolyn McCarthy said. We need help. We can pass all this if the American people want it bad enough. We can pass it all if the American people want it badly enough. And we don't need to go through another Littleton for the American people to want it badly enough. You can help make sure that happens.
Thank you. (Applause.)

END

>>6202376
the leggings make this all the more hotter for me

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ng, helping parents actually communicate with their children.
One senator called me the night before last and said he'd had a town meeting in his state with children. And he asked how many of the school children had actually talked with their parents about what happened in Littleton, and only 10 percent of the kids raised their hand. And one child said, "I had to go and turn off the television and tell my parents we were going to talk about it." She said, "They're just scared. You know, they're scared. They didn't know how to talk about it." So there are all these cultural issues.
And then there's this big cultural issue of the gun and sport hunting culture.

And I hope that -- a lot of my folks at home might take offense at what I said today, but I'm trying to help explain them to you. And I felt comfortable taking on these issues, and I thought maybe I was in a unique position to take on all these gun issues all these years because of where I grew up and because I understand how people think who don't agree with this.
But I'm telling you, we've got to keep working until people start thinking about this stuff the same way they think about x-rays and metal detectors at airports. That's the goal. It -- we have to redefine the national community so that we have a shared obligation to save children's lives, and we've got to get out of this crazy denial that this won't make a difference. This -- it's crazy, it won't make -- just because it won't make all the difference doesn't make -- mean it won't make a difference. It will make a difference. (Applause.)
And so -- so I implore you to remember what these members have said. I implore you to go out and get people going at the grass roots, as Carolyn McCarthy said. We need help. We can pass all this if the American people want it bad enough. We can pass it all if the American people want it badly
END

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>>6202458
glad you like them

>>6202433
No, not with how non-chalantly Nick removes himself from the situation. He's getting off to the thought of Judy getting railed by some perp.

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nd guns then being used for illegal purposes -- Virginia did this and it really helped them. This was a big deal. And, I just talked to Senator Robb about this a couple of days ago, and he said, "You know, all I can tell you is it's working in our state." So I would ask you to seriously consider what this might mean for our efforts to control the law enforcement aspects of this.
So, these are the things that I wanted to say. But I hope you'll remember what I said to you about the culture. We do have to keep working on the culture. Hillary's right about it, Al and Tipper Gore are right about it. We've got a lot of responsibilities. We've got to keep working on the services that kids -- we've even got to work on making, helping parents actually communicate with their children.
One senator called me the night before last and said he'd had a town meeting in his state with children. And he asked how many of the school children had actually talked with their parents about what happened in Littleton, and only 10 percent of the kids raised their hand. And one child said, "I had to go and turn off the television and tell my parents we were going to talk about it." She said, "They're just scared. You know, they're scared. They didn't know how to talk about it." So there are all these cultural issues.
And then there's this big cultural issue of the gun and sport hunting culture.

And I hope that -- a lot of my folks at home might take offense at what I said today, but I'm trying to help explain them to you. And I felt comfortable taking on these iss s won't make a difference. This -- it's crazy, it won't make -- just because it won't make all the difference doesn't make -- mean it won't make a difference. It will make a difference. (Applause

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made at least 60 solo trips, but not as much as known about that.
Now, in her first interview in nearly a year and a half, Mrs. Clinton joins us to talk about her activism in the role of foreign policy, and about her recent trip to Macedonia.

Thank you very much for joining us.
HILLARY CLINTON, FIRST LADY OF THE UNITED STATES: Thank you, and I'm delighted to be here.
AMANPOUR: You were at the camp today, one of the biggest camps in the region. What struck you about what you heard there?
CLINTON: Well, I think my overwhelming impression was that what had happened to these people, the Kosovars, is just unforgivable and unforgettable. We have to do everything we can to enable them to return home in peace and in safety.
And I heard a lot of stories. You know, it's very hard when you're talking with people who you never met before, and you feel almost like you're intruding, but they want to tell you about what it felt like when they lost their children -- their hands were pulled away in a crowd of people being pushed by Serb police to get on trains, or when they, all of a sudden, were pushed from their home, and a husband loses a wife because she was visiting her father.
I heard so many stories in such a short period of time, and they confirmed what I've already heard from refugees in the United States and in London, and what I knew to be the case from other reports.
So I was very much saddened by what I heard and what I see happening, but also very sure that we are doing the right thing to try to enable these people to have a life and to end this century on a note of commitment to human rights in Europe.
AMANPOUR: Many people are saying that success in this mission is basically what happened to those refugees; success will be defined by getting them back.

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AMANPOUR: Many people are saying that success in this mission is basically what happened to those refugees; success will be defined by getting them back.
What can you say to those people who say that it's gone on for a long time, and we are really worrying now?
CLINTON: Well, first of all, that's not what they said to me. They thanked me and asked me to thank my husband, and they said they were very grateful to the United States and to NATO.
And I think many of them of course are frustrated. It would be awful living in a camp, having lost your home, your possessions and maybe even family members. And I understand that, and I feel terrible about it.
But they have been subject to Mr. Milosevic's ethnic cleansing campaign for a long time. It started in small ways about 10 years ago where the Kosovars were forbidden to go to the theater or to the sports stadium, and then the schools were closed, and then they were afraid to drive their cars on the road. And then a couple of years ago they started being pushed out of their homes. And then last year we saw thousands of them in the mountains.
So this has been a long-term, deliberate policy by Milosevic. And we are attempting to reverse a decade of deliberate, persistent ethnic cleansing that has of course come to a crescendo in the last weeks.
And I know that in today's world of instant news and 24-hour coverage, 50 days may seem like an eternity. But in the kind of concerted effort that NATO has undertaken to bring about these changes and return the refugees, I don't think that it is a very long time at all. And when we are successful, as I know we will be, it will be exactly what needs to be done to send a very clear message not only to Milosevic but to anyone in this region, and I hope throughout the world, that this kind of action will no longer be permitted.

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>>6201694
>>6201767
>it's down again
...fuck

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>>6202315
Not every bun wants a bun anon.

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And I know that in today's world of instant news and 24-hour coverage, 50 days may seem like an eternity. But in the kind of concerted effort that NATO has undertaken to bring about these changes and return the refugees, I don't think that it is a very long time at all. And when we are successful, as I know we will be, it will be exactly what needs to be done to send a very clear message not only to Milosevic but to anyone in this region, and I hope throughout the world, that this kind of action will no longer be permitted.
AMANPOUR: You called Milosevic's policies evil today, and many others have as well. Do you think Slobodan Milosevic should be indicted on charges of war crime?
CLINTON: I think that's a discussion that will have to take place at some point. But right now I think the immediate goal is to persuade him or defeat him, whichever is necessary, that he must reverse this policy. And if our primary objective, as it is, is to return the Kosovar refugees and give them the security they need to live at peace in Kosovo, then I think we need to put our attention and all of our resources on achieving that goal first and foremost.
AMANPOUR: Many people say he's still there, he's hunkering down, he's basically taking this beating right now and that it won't happen -- the defeat or the roll back -- unless there are ground troops. I can't ask you about policy, because that's not your role, but I'd like to ask you about principles.

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And I think that we ought to keep, again, our focus on what is working -- and it is working -- and be prepared to see it through.
AMANPOUR: There are many who say, and who bemoan -- many outside of the United States -- what they believe is a political climate that makes it impossible for the United States to commit in any way other than a casualty-free way, in other words to commit from 15,000 feet up. Do you agree that the political climate is such that -- prevents going the whole way, so to speak?
CLINTON: Well, I think if you define the whole way the objective, which is to return the refugees with appropriate security, I believe that the strategy that we are pursuing is likely to work. So I don't know that it's useful to speculate on what might come next, or what might be necessary.
Now it is always difficult to obtain the kind of political support for any action off of one's shores. I know that, in Europe, there's a constant effort to keep public opinion and political support, and it is the same in the United States. But I've been personally very pleased to see that public opinion in the United States is supporting the president's policy, supporting the Kosovar refugees, and I think we can maintain that till we are able to see our way clear through this.
AMANPOUR: We're always told Americans don't care about foreign news, don't want to know about foreign news; do you think that's right, or do you think Americans do care about what's going on in the world?

>>6202382
You posted at a very bad time, and for that: I'm sorry

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>>6202509
Nonsense

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CLINTON: Yes, there is always a tendency in American history as one goes back, not even very far, to before the Second World War for us to feel quite isolated from the world's problems with our two big oceans on either side of us. But it is becoming increasingly clear, and it surely should be with what is going on here in the Balkans, that we stay isolated or disengaged at great risk. Because when it comes down to making difficult decisions, the United States must be part of the solution, not only in Europe but in other parts of the world.
So I've spent quite a bit of time in the last several years talking with Americans and encouraging more American interests and support for international engagement.
AMANPOUR: We're going to take a short break. And when we come back, we'll ask Mrs. Clinton about her own political views and aspirations.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
AMANPOUR: You have had a great impact on a certain area of foreign policy. Along with the secretary of state, I believe you have made the issue of women's rights a U.S. policy objective. What have you achieved, and what does that mean exactly? For instance, take the Tailban, the repressive people who are ruling Afghanistan right now. What does that mean for them, for instance?
CLINTON: Well, let me answer that first generally and then specifically. Starting with the Beijing conference in 1995, we made it very clear that women's role and participation and rights etary of state, she and I both spoke at the State Department and made clear that as a matter of American foreign policy, we wanted to support women's objectives and rights around the world.
Now what that has meant is that we have seen issues a little differently than we used to. We understand that if women are denied education and participation, it's less likely that the society in which they reside

>>6202523
Some buns may have tried buns, but were put off to them.

>>6202509
Sounds like she needs a hedgehog, eh EH?

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everything we could to prevent countries and societies from falling prey to that.
Now that we no longer face that kind of threat, I think it is practical to see the world in a different way. Certainly our values remain the same, but if we want to have the United States be respected and recognized, as it now is, as the leader of the world, if we want to have friends and partners in every area from commerce to strategic involvement, then I believe we have to recognize the legitimate aspirations of the people in the societies with which we wish to do business.
So I don't view that as impractical. In fact, I view it as a long overdue practical assessment. Realpolitik, of course, means that we look at how countries are strategically located, and what our interests with them are, and how we balance them, but we now know that with the explosion of information, and with a continuing clamor for individual rights from all different kinds of groups -- not just women, but many ethnic, religious, racial groups -- it would be shortsighted of the United States not to factor that into our calculations.
So when I go around the world and I advocate for girls education, for example, it is because we have evidence and reason to believe that well-educated populations are more likely to understand and deal with the challenges of today and tomorrow, and therefore more likely to be involved in relationships that are positive with the United States.
AMANPOUR: You seem so committed, and you seem to get so much professional and personal satisfaction from what you do abroad, and you have the freedom to do it as first lady. Why would you give that up to become a senator in New York?

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(LAUGHTER)
CLINTON: Well, I'm not sure that I can answer that question completely, and I -- if I make the decision to run for the Senate, I will have a lot to say about that.
But no matter what I do in the future, whatever course my life happens to take, I'm going to stay interested and involved in these issues, because I care deeply about them, but I also think they matter greatly. So no matter where I go or where I end up, in the next century I'll be, I hope, speaking out on behalf of these matters.
AMANPOUR: Have you -- are you any closer to making your decision?
CLINTON: Well, I will have something to say about that when I am ready, and it isn't here, in Macedonia, that I would talk about that.
AMANPOUR: Will it be in the spring, the summer the fall? Can you give us a little timeframe.
(LAUGHTER) CLINTON: It will be sooner instead of later, I think it's fair to say. This summer is not too far away.
AMANPOUR: A lot of the people I talk to, a lot of the women that I meet from traveling overseas, are very impressed by you and admire your dignity. A lot of the people you meet are people who suffered, people you saw today, and who believe that they identify with you, because they have seen you suffer.
And in a speech in Africa last year, you spoke about living for hope and reconciliation, living for forgiveness and reconstruction, and living for a new life -- have you been able to apply that to your own circumstances? Have you been able to forgive your husband?

>>6202509
that's why she needs a strong and understanding pred to care and support her

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>>6202523

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>>6202540
OH YOU!

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with hope or not?
You know, a few weeks ago, Elie Wiesel spoke at the White House, and I'd asked him to speak more than a year ago -- long before we knew what would be happening here in the Balkans -- and he spoke on the perils of indifference. And in that speech, he, of course, reminded us of the worst atrocities of the century in the Holocaust, but he also spoke movingly about what was happening here in the Balkans. And certainly the message that I and many there took away came at the very end, when he was asked how on earth could he advocate hopefulness in the face of what he had experienced as a boy in a concentration camp and what he had seen happen in this century and what was again happening because of Milosevic.
His answer is what choice do we have? How does one live without hope unless one wants one's soul to wither and die. And I believe that. And, of course, you know, in one's personal life it's not nearly as cosmic or as horrific as what has happened to people on a yearly basis in this century and is still happening today, as we speak. But the same principal applies. I mean, every one of us has a choice. You know, at the seminar that we had at the White House last week in the wake of Littleton, Colorado, it was a very moving and somber occasion because people were not pointing fingers and placing blame, they were honestly looking for and accepting responsibility by and large. And at one point one of the participants said, you know, perhaps we should have a national day of reconciliation the day before Thanksgiving. We have so much to be thankful for in the United States. And he said, you know, there are people in my own family who need to forgive each other.

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camp and what he had seen happen in this century and what was again happening because of Milosevic.
His answer is what choice do we have? How does one live without hope unless one wants one's soul to wither and die. And I believe that. And, of course, you know, in one's personal life it's not nearly as cosmic or as horrific as what has happened to people on a yearly basis in this century and is still happening today, as we speak. But the same principal applies. I mean, every one of us has a choice. You know, at the seminar that we had at the White House last week in the wake of Littleton, Colorado, it was a very moving and somber occasion because people were not pointing fingers and placing blame, they were honestly looking for and accepting responsibility by and large. And at one point one of the participants said, you know, perhaps we should have a national day of reconciliation the day before Thanksgiving. We have so much to be thankful for in the United States. And he said, you know, there are people in my own family who need to forgive each other.
And now there may be some who think that's very simple and very far away from the Balkans, but I think it's all related. I think how we live our lives and how we deal with whatever life throws our way, is played out on our own individual stage. And then if you look at the life of someone like Milosevic and his wife, it can be played out on the national stage. I mean, one doesn't have to be a psychiatrist to think what has happened to this man who was the subject of being an orphan because both his parents killed themselves? And a wife whose mother was arrested by the Nazis and then released and killed by her communist colleagues because they thought sh
So I think that in everyday ways how you treat your own disappointments and whether you're able to forgive the pain that others cause you and, frankly, to acknowledge the pa
CLINTON: Thank you.

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try to create ways in which every American can take his or her part in doing whatever we can against youth violence.
As a nation, we've reacted to the shootings at Columbine High School like almost no other event I can remember in recent memory. It has literally pierced the heart of America. Yet in my conversations with young people and parents over the past few weeks, I've heard less talk about people feeling helpless or hopeless and more about a growing consensus that finger-pointing doesn't lead to solutions and that we have to move forward together to take steps to end the violence, not only in our schools, but in our broader community, and that it is time, some might say past time, that we all play a role in making a positive difference in the lives of our children.
I want to thank the attorney general and the chair of the FTC for joining us today, as well as the many parents, educators, religious leaders, members of the media, and students who are here as well. I am pleased that we will be hearing from a fourth-grader this morning who will tell us how he became part of the solution in his home state of Washington.
I think all of us recognize that there is no single answer or solution to the problem of violence in our society, but that we must move on many fronts, from passing common-sense gun control efforts, to helping parents understand better how to exercise authority over the media that their children are exposed to, and enabling more parents to spend more time with their own children. We've come together to talk about some of the ways we can begin to reverse the culture of violence that is engulfing American children every day, particularly the role that the media plays in shaping the lives and values of our children and young people. or to act generally in a more aggressive way.

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Yet today, more than 25 years after this report was written, our culture is even more saturated with TV programs, movies and songs that romanticize and glorify violence. What kind of values are we promoting when a child can walk into a store and find video games where you win based on how many people you can kill or how many places you can blow up? Association, viewers of violence not only become desensitized and fearful, they begin to identify with an aggressive solution to their own personal problems.
America's culture of violence is having a profound effect on our children, and we have to resolve to do all we can to change that culture. One of the ways that we can do that is to give parents the tools they need to control what their own children are exposed to, and we've already moved forward in that direction. Today's announcement is another important step in the fight against violence.
We know there is a lot of work to be done, but I am encouraged that so many leaders and citizens are coming together and talking honestly, not only about the challenges we face, but what we have to do together to meet those challenges.
I am particularly heartened that as a result of the meeting the president convened at the White House a few weeks ago there was general agreement from a broad cross-section of Americans that we would launch a national grassroots campaign to prevent youth violence. We would model the campaign on successful national efforts, like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, which showed us that we can change the culture when enough people from all walks of life say, "Enough is enough." So I look forward to seeing

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We now need to know more about how children learn about the existence and the content of violent materials and why they are drawn to them, whether it be movies or video games.
It is my pleasure now to introduce Robert Pitofsky, chairman of the Federal Trade Commission. In the coming months, our agencies intend to work very closely together to expand our knowledge about the role of advertising in exposing children to violent entertainment materials. (Applause.)
MR. PITOFSKY: Thank you, Madame Attorney General.
I think it should be obvious already that we are here, representatives of consumer groups, business groups and government, because of a shared concern, a perception that there are increasing instances of senseless violence involving young people -- recent events show that to be true -- and that something needs to be done about it. We can't just observe it and talk about it; we need to take some actions.
Our particular focus today is on concerns about the violent nature of too many video games, movies and recordings currently available to young people that have a violent content. In considering that issue, however, we must remember two points:
First, we must recognize that concerns about the content of these products arise in an area of artistic expression and that they border on areas protected by the First Amendment against government intrusion. And we would hope to keep that in mind.
Second, we recognize that the motion picture industry, the video game and recording industries have

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recognized these concerns and have each implemented voluntary systems to rate the appropriateness of products for their children. These ratings provide parents with valuable information to judge what products are appropriate.
But we all know that advertising and marketing also play an important role in influencing young people. Today, as never before, children and teenagers are subject to a steady barrage of commercial messages that influence their choice of what they see, wear, eat and buy. Like the entertainment industry, the advertising and marketing communities realize the value of self-regulation and have implemented self-regulatory approaches.
In fact, one of the best examples of self-regulation is the advertising community and the work of its Children's Advertising Review unit, which contains several provisions urging advertisers to present their messages in a way that recognize the important potential impact of their advertising on child behavior.
My agency, the Federal Trade Commission, has a history of working with responsible elements in the business community in an effort to reach common ground on what we all recognize is a shared problem. We hope we can do that again here and reach that kind of result again.
Now, we have learned in our various projects that, if you are concerned about target marketing, you ought to talk to the person who is a target. And our next speaker, Arthur Salway (sp), is part of that group. He is a 9-year-old from Seattle, Washington.
Like many of his peers, he likes video games and wanted to learn about them. The story he will share with you today clearly illustrates the problem; hopefully, it also points the way to a solution.
Arthur? (Applause.)

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>>6202557
Most of the males she knows are preds
Hell most of the MAMMALS she knows are preds.

She seems to gravitate towards the minority.

>>6202378
I think weaver did one too, but both of those could be countered by not showing them in a relationship. I think if cuck porn was to be made, it would have to be by the book where Nick enjoys getting off to his clearly wife/gf Judy being prepped by him to get fucked by others. I'm not into that but I think that's what actual cucking is which I've never seen porn of.
Most cuck stuff memed here seems in the sense of Nick staying with Judy despite getting toyed with, making him an enabler.

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>>6202206
Some people think and see so much of WildeHopps that they forget is not canon.

>>6202625
Weaver did cuckqueening. Judy picked up a buck at gay bar for Nick to fuck while she watched.

>>6202621
>Fabio is a stallion
keksimus maximus.jpg

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mommy, even though I knew I would get in trouble. She was very upset, not with me, but at what she saw in the magazine.
She showed it to Mothers Against Violence in America, who then shared it with the Seattle Times.


They wrote an article about my story and other violent video game ads in the magazine. Representative Dickerson (sp), who is here today, saw the article and wanted to do something about it, too. She called Mothers Against Violence in America and, together with my mommy, started an action group about the impact of violent video games on kids.
I'm happy I showed the magazine to my mother and that she knew MAVIA, because she had someone to turn to when she needed support and action. Now there is more awareness about the negative influence of violent video games.
I have my mommy, MAVIA, Representative Dickerson (sp), and the community to thank for listening to me. Now we are all working together to make entertainment for kids nonviolent.
I would like to thank the president for inviting me here today; Ms. Pamela Eakes, who is here today, for founding Mothers Against Violence in America; and my mommy -- (laughter) -- for not getting mad at me, but listening to me when I'm scared, troubled, confused, hurt, alone, and discouraged. I am thankful I know the (Lord ?). I am glad I had the courage to do the right thing. I thought I might get in trouble with my mommy, but instead I am here at the White House today. (Laughter.) I have learned, with courage, a lot of good things can happen. Thank you. (Applause.)
PRESIDENT CLINTON: Wow! Good for you.

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of violent video games.
I have my mommy, MAVIA, Representative Dickerson (sp), and the community to thank for listening to me. Now we are all working together to make entertainment for kids nonviolent.
I would like to thank the president for inviting me here today; Ms. Pamela Eakes, who is here today, for founding Mothers Against Violence in America; and my mommy -- (laughter) -- for not getting mad at me, but listening to me when I'm scared, troubled, confused, hurt, alone, and discouraged. I am thankful I know the (Lord ?). I am glad I had the courage to do the right thing. I thought I might get in trouble with my mommy, but instead I am here at the White House today. (Laughter.) I have learned, with courage, a lot of good things can happen. Thank you. (Applause.)
PRESIDENT CLINTON: Wow! Good for you.
ARTHUR SALWAY (sp): I am now honored to introduce to you the president of the United States of America. (Applause.)
PRESIDENT CLINTON: Give him another hand. He was great. Bravo! (Applause.) Thank you.
ARTHUR SALWAY (sp): Thank you.
PRESIDENT CLINTON: When I was listening to Arthur speak, I didn't know whether to offer him a job as a White House speechwriter -- (laugh) -- or just wait for the opportunity to vote for him someday. (Laughter, applause.) Let me say thank you very much. (Applause continues.) Thank you.
And we thank your mother for bringing you here. (Applause.) And congratulations. And Representative Mary Lou Dickerson (sp), thank you, and Pam Eakes, founder of Mothers Against Violence in America, thank you.
I thank the attorney general and Chairman Pitofsky for their remarks and their commitment.


I thank Mayor Corradini, Mayor Kane (sp), County Executive Curry and County Executive Dutch Rupesburger (sp) for the interest that our local government leaders have. I thank Representative Sheila Jackson- Lee for her passionate commitment to this issue and all of you, welcome to the White House.
An

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DEAN REYNOLDS: (voice-over) She has her own "Hillary In 2000" Web site now, no primary challengers in view and universal name recognition. Her choice of upstate New York for today's events, including a stop at the Soccer Hall of Fame, was designed to build a bridge to this predominantly Republican part of the state.

SUPPORTERS: We want Hillary!

DEAN REYNOLDS: (voice-over) Some spectators were friendly, but others were not.

PROTESTERS: Go home, Hillary!

MAN AT RALLY: I don't think New York needs her. We've survived without her and will continue to.

DEAN REYNOLDS: (voice-over) Mrs. Clinton said she will spend the next few months listening to New Yorkers about issues, building up expertise in intimate settings that may deflect charges that she is an opportunistic outsider. Her first attempt at that today had at least the look of intimacy, though cameras from around the world foreshadowed the kind of scrutiny she had better expect.

(on camera) Mrs. Clinton did something on the campaign trail today that is completely new for her. She spoke about her beliefs and her issues, and all with hardly a mention of her husband. Dean Reynolds, ABC News, Oneonta, New York.

PETER JENNINGS: That is our report on World News Tonight. Don't forget 20/20 later. On Nightline, more about Alzheimer's disease.

I'm Peter Jennings. We hope you have a good evening and that we'll see you tomorrow. Good night.

>>6202708
https://twitter.com/shironaga67/status/775378227296559106

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help.
Now, I have the great pleasure to welcome Mrs. Clinton to the farm and to turn over the microphone to our candidate. Before you do -- before I do -- and my God, I almost forgot -- yesterday Hillary Clinton established an exploratory committee as regards candidacy for the Senate, United States Senate, from New York, a seat which I will vacate in a year and a half.

I'm here to say that I hope she will go all the way. I mean to go all the way with her. I think she's going to win. I think it's going to be wonderful for New York, and we'll be proud of our senator, and the nation will notice.
And so here is that very same person. (Applause.)
MRS. CLINTON: Well, I want to thank Senator Moynihan and my friend Liz Moynihan for welcoming me and a few of my friends and associates here to their farm. I'm very grateful for their friendship and their hospitality and their support. It means a great deal to me to stand here with someone whom I admire so much.
You know, I'm starting a listening tour of New York, and I thought it only proper that I start by listening to probably the wisest New Yorker that we can know of at this time. And -- (applause) --
SEN. MOYNIHAN: Neighbors -- (off mike). (Laughter.)

>>6202509
>Insert reference about Maxine getting together with Hugh here

I'd be wittier, but Joker's really bumming me out with his bullshit right now.

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MRS. CLINTON: And his neighbors agree!
MS. : (Me, too ?).
MRS. CLINTON: And we started in the schoolhouse, which is appropriate, because it is a place where Senator Moynihan has written so many of the books and articles and speeches that have been so important and influential in our country and in the deliberations of the United States Senate.
The last few months have been quite extraordinary for me, and I must say that I'm very humbled and more than a little surprised to be standing here today. But when New Yorkers began talking to me, as they did shortly after the Senator announced that he would not run again, I listened very hard. And the more I listened, the more excited I became about the possibilities of what could be done on behalf of the people of New York. New Yorkers from all walks of life have called me and written me and e-mailed me and stopped me and visited with me. And I think that there is a great feeling in this state that there's a lot of work ahead in the future, but it's work that people are ready to roll up their sleeves and do together.

So I intend to be spending my time in the next days and weeks and months listening to New Yorkers.
Now, I suppose the questions on everyone's mind is, why the Senate, and why New York, and why me? And all I can say is that I care deeply about the issues that are important in this state that I've already been learning about and hearing about; that I am very much concerned that we work together to try to find answers to the challenges that face New York and the people of New York. And I'm going to be listening very hard and I'm going to be learning a lot.

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SEN. MOYNIHAN: Thank you, Ma'am.
Q Mrs. Clinton, how do you address --
Q Mrs. Clinton, why do you --
(Scattered applause.)
Q Mrs. Clinton, how do you address the issue --
Q Mrs. Clinton, why would you go through this considering the last seven years --
MRS. CLINTON: Let me start with Andrea and then I'll come to you, sir.
Q How do you address the issue that Rudy Giuliani has raised that you're a "carpetbagger"? There was a protestor at the airport, just one person, but raising that issue as well up here? How do you answer them?
MRS. CLINTON: I think it's a very fair question, and I fully understand people raising it. And I think I have some real work to do to get out and listen and learn from the people of New York and demonstrate that what I am for is maybe as important if not important than where I'm from. I'm looking forward to living in New York. That is something that my husband and I had talked about and planned in any event.
But I take very seriously the very legitimate questions of New Yorkers about what I believe and what kind of skills and interests I would bring on their behalf, were I to run and be elected to the Senate. So I understand that, and I'm looking forward to talking with a lot of people and, hopefully, making it clear that if I were given a chance, I would be a very strong and effective advocate for the people of New York.
This gentleman was -- yes? Q Mrs. Clinton, why would you go through this after the seven years you've had in the White House including -- (off mike)?

>>6202779
Thanks

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New York. That is something that my husband and I had talked about and planned in any event.
But I take very seriously the very legitimate questions of New Yorkers about what I believe and what kind of skills and interests I would bring on their behalf, were I to run and be elected to the Senate. So I understand that, and I'm looking forward to talking with a lot of people and, hopefully, making it clear that if I were given a chance, I would be a very strong and effective advocate for the people of New York.
This gentleman was -- yes? Q Mrs. Clinton, why would you go through this after the seven years you've had in the White House including -- (off mike)?
MRS. CLINTON: Well, I've actually enjoyed my time in the White House! (Laughs.) I know that that may cause some real concern among some people. But when I look back on these years and what has been accomplished for our country, the experiences that I've had and the contributions I've been able to make on behalf of issues and causes that I care deeply about, I am very excited about the possibility of considering this run and continuing public service on behalf of the people of New York.
I have no illusions that it will not be a very difficult and challenging race, but that's what should happen in a democracy. I think that's to be expected. We need that kind of back and forth and exchange of ideas from people. So I am -- I'm very anxious to get out and listen to New Yorkers and learn from them, and I'm very excited about figuring out ways we can work together.
SEN. MOYNIHAN: We're going to be a little short, but Gabe (sp) there has been after you for some time.
MRS. CLINTON: Yes, Gabe (sp)?
Q Mrs. Clinton, what about those of your critics who say that it takes a lot of chutzpah to come to a state that you're not from and run for the Senate?
SEN. MOYNIHAN: Gabe (sp), we're in Delaware County. Now what was that word? (Laughter.)
MRS. CLINTON: Well, you know --
Q (Inaudible.)
SEN. MOYNIHAN: Good

>>6202694
Even if she's completely buck naked, she'll never be "too sexy".

Cute sheepie, Geraldson.

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SEN. MOYNIHAN: How many more? Can we have two more questions?
STAFF: How about we take three. There, there, there.
MRS. CLINTON: All right.
Q Given your reputation as an advocate for children, and the senator's own very strong views on the issue, can you talk a little bit about the (1996 ?) Republican -- (technical problems with sound).
MRS. CLINTON: (Technical problems with sound) -- the bill that the president eventually signed. I had some strong concerns about some of the issues that were being pushed at that time by the Republican majority in the Congress. For example, I was very concerned when the Republican Congress attempted to de-link Medicaid from welfare. But eventually, the bill was in a state that I felt should be signed, although there were still problems with it that needed to be remedied.
I'm personally very gratified that we've seen the kind of progress that we have in the last several years in moving people from welfare to work. But I think we're going to have to remain very vigilant about the effects of these changes, and we're going to have to be ready to take action if for some reason people are severely disadvantaged in ways that can't be remedied in the market or through the means available to them. So I supported welfare reform, and I supported it because I believed that the system was so broken and that the political conditions were such that we had to make some dramatic changes in order to kind of clear the decks, provide opportunities for people who were able to become independent and self-sufficient, and really then take a hard look at what was left; who were the people that were truly dependent that were going to need some help? And we are learning more about that. We have a long way to go.
SEN. MOYNIHAN: One center. (Calling on questioner.)

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>>6202787
Sorry anon. I hope you cheer up soon.
I've got no time to draw something new, so here's a classic.

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Q To what extent do you think you will have to forsake your duties as first lady? Will you be able to campaign and fulfill that role also?
MRS. CLINTON: I think so. You know, it is not so dissimilar from someone, for example, being in the Congress and running for the Senate or being a governor and running for another office. And I have some obligations in my present responsibilities that I intend to fulfill. But I am going to spend as much time as I possibly can, meeting with and listening to New Yorkers and learning about the issues facing New York. But I also want to be responsible and make sure that I fulfill the obligations of the position I have.
And I don't really see a contradiction to that. I think that we are a long way from the election. I must say that I think it will do everyone some good if we just sort of take this at a slower more relaxed pace.
That is one of things I am actually looking forward to. I am really excited about being able to take these long, beautiful summer days and, you know, kind of at a leisurely pace with, you know, a few hundred of you -- travel from place to place and meet people and stop and visit. That's very exciting to me.
I know it may not sound like, you know, the way many people would look forward to spending days, but I'm excited about it and I'm looking forward to it.
Q How will you deal with the critics who don't believe you when you're dealing with the White House billing records and turning $1,000 into $100,000, who have been part of a strong campaign concerning that?
MRS. CLINTON: Well, I think that New Yorkers will make their own judgments about that. I think we've moved beyond all of it. And I'm going to be talking about the future of education and health care and making sure that upstate New York gets the same kind of economic opportunities that the rest of the state has enjoyed. And I think that's what people are going to be talking to me about.
Q Mrs. Clinton, have you put the scandals behind you?

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SEN. MOYNIHAN: One center. (Calling on questioner.)
Q A lot of people see you as the number-one victim of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. I wonder if you see yourself as a victim and if you think you benefit from the sympathy vote.
MRS. CLINTON: Well, I'm looking forward to meeting with New Yorkers, and I think they'll have a lot to tell me about what they think about me and the positions that I have. I see myself as someone who is ready and willing to get out there and find out what's on people's minds so that I can be responsive and make a decision about this race.
Q Do you think you benefit from people's sympathy? And --
Q About education and health care, the issues that you are addressing or listening to people talk about today, these are all issues that (poll ?) very strongly with women. I was wondering how much of that is a factor in your decision to focus on these issues.
MRS. CLINTON: Well, these are issues that I have worked on and been concerned about all my adult life.

You know, starting back when I was a law student, I began a particular interest in the well-being of children and what we needed to do to support families. And I have worked on that in many ways. I was involved in leading an effort to reform education when my husband was governor and have been very much involved since 1983 in working on behalf of improving education. And I've had many opportunities, both in the private sector, where I served on corporate boards, as well as in the public sector, where I worked with a variety of organizations, to think hard about how we create good jobs and how we provide people the skills in a changing economy to be able to take those jobs. So it's something that isn't new to me. It is what I've worked on and cared about my entire adult life.
What's new to me is being on this side of the microphone and talking for myself and talking on behalf of what I believe, and I'm looking forward to that.

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CNN's Jonathan Karl is covering Mrs. Clinton's unofficial Senate campaign.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JONATHAN KARL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): First lady Hillary Clinton wasted no time before using the Atlanta massacre to make a political point.
HILLARY CLINTON, FIRST LADY: And I think it does once again urge us to think hard about what we can do to make sure that we keep guns out of the hands of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced people. And I would hope that the Congress would take action on the legislation that is now pending before it as soon as possible.
KARL: Gun control has been a recurring issue for the first lady on her listening tour, as she weighs a run for U.S. Senate. This time she ventured upstate, into solidly Republican territory.
But aside from a few persistent hecklers, Mrs. Clinton has been treated more as a celebrity than an outsider. At an impromptu stop at Light's Coffee Shop in Elmira, she got a warm welcome from the town's former Republican mayor.
HOWARD TOWNSEND, FORMER ELMIRA MAYOR: I come here every morning for coffee, and this is a surprise to me, a good surprise. I'm glad to have her in town.
KARL: Polls show Mrs. Clinton in a dead heat with New York's Repbefore it as soon as possible.
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from someone, for example, being in the Congress and running for the Senate or being a governor and running for another office. And I have some obligations in my present responsibilities that I intend to fulfill. But I am going to spend as much time as I possibly can, meeting with and listening to New Yorkers and learning about the issues facing New York. But I also want to be responsible and make sure that I fulfill the obligations of the position I have.
And I don't really see a contradiction to that. I think that we are a long way from the election. I must say that I think it will do everyone some good if we just sort of take this at a slower more relaxed pace.
That is one of things I am actually looking forward to. I am really excited about being able to take these long, beautiful summer days and, you know, kind of at a leisurely pace with, you know, a few hundred of you -- travel from place to place and meet people and stop and visit. That's very exciting to me.
I know it may not sound like, you know, the way many people would look forward to spending days, but I'm excited about it and I'm looking forward to it.
Q How will you deal with the critics who don't believe you when you're dealing with the White House billing records and turning $1,000 into $100,000, who have been part of a strong campaign concerning that?
MRS. CLINTON: Well, I think that New Yorkers will make their own judgments about that. I think we've moved beyond all of it. And I'm going to be talking about the future of education and health care and making sure that upstate New York gets the same kind of economic opportunities that the rest of the state has enjoyed. And I u be able to campaign and fulfill that role also?
MRS. CLINTON: I think so. You know, it is not so dissimilar from someone, for examplthink that's what people are going to be talking to me about.
Q Mrs. Clinton, have you put the scandals behind you?

>>6202819
Thanks Inky. Have a good one.

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for U.S. Senate. This time she ventured upstate, into solidly Republican territory.
But aside from a few persistent hecklers, Mrs. Clinton has been treated more as a celebrity than an outsider. At an impromptu stop at Light's Coffee Shop in Elmira, she got a warm welcome from the town's former Republican mayor.
HOWARD TOWNSEND, FORMER ELMIRA MAYOR: I come here every morning for coffee, and this is a surprise to me, a good surprise. I'm glad to have her in town.
KARL: Polls show Mrs. Clinton in a dead heat with New York's Republican mayor, Rudy Giuliani, the other high-profile but undeclared candidate.
MAURICE CARROLL, QUINNIPIAC COLLEGE POLL: But there is no question that both of them, as far as upstate is concerned, are outsiders. She's from Arkansas -- or Illinois. Take your pick -- he's from New York City. And, you know, upstate, to be mayor of New York is like being mayor of Sodom and Gomorrah.
CLINTON: Do you all like to read books and have books read to you? What are your favorite books? UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: I do.
CLINTON: You do.
KARL: The first lady's forays into New York have had more photo opportunities than specifics, but on this trip she attacked the Republican tax cut plan and urged Congress to fund the White House plan for 100,000 new teachers.
CLINTON: Recently in the House it was voted to renege on that commitment to fulfilling the 100,000 teachers goal, and it's a shame.
KARL: Mrs. Clinton says she is encouraged by what she has heard on her listening tour.
CLINTON: I am interested in pursuing this very exciting possibility of considering a run for the Senate from right here in New York, and it is the only thing I'm interested in. And I get more interested and excited about it every day.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
KARL: Mrs. Clinton said she hopes New Yorkers will care more about what she is for than where she is from, but she continues to be dogged by the carpetbagger issue. In the most recent New York poll, more than 50 percen

>>6202178
Fox mom (or dad, as the case may be) is, ideally, never a potential endgame in fox families. The activities between a fox parent and child are meant to give the child experience and build their confidence to make them a more desirable mate once they choose to begin searching for one. Though, in the absence of a mate, it's not unheard of that the child's Chief Wife is willing to extend the support and hospitality of their family to the bereaved parent.

It's unorthodox, but in this scenario it's entirely possible that the parent could find a place, sexually or otherwise, in the primary family circle of the child.

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and attended. And Bill will probably have more to say about that in a minute because, like the comptroller and like many of you who do attend the fairs, there's so much going on that it's hard to take it all in. And there's all sorts of contests and occasions for honoring different sorts of people. He was telling us as we pulled in that he recalls on Seniors Day, which I think is also today here at the State Fair -- right? So it's Senior Day and I think it's Dairy Day, as well as Comptroller's Day, so a triple header. (Laughter.) And we'll try to eat some cheese and see some seniors, too, as well today. (Laughter.)
But as we were pulling in, he was reminding Chelsea and me that he used to go to the state fair on Seniors Day back in Arkansas, and he used to give an award to the oldest man and the oldest woman and the couple that have been married the longest and the people who had the biggest families.
And he reminded us -- I can recall very clearly his just amazement when he met a woman and gave her the award because she was the mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother of 150 people. So, that kind of put things in perspective for us -- (laughter) -- as we came in.
But we are delighted to be here, and we're so looking forward to our days here. We're going to Skaneateles, we're going to have time as a family, we're going to get to meet a lot of people, we hope, and I think he's going to get to play a lot of golf and we're going to get to see more of this beautiful part of New York.
But one of the great joys that I've had in the last several months is to travel around this extraordinary, beautiful, diverse, dynamic, exciting state and meet a lot of different people in all different kinds of settings. I've been from one end of this state to the other, and I'm going to be back many times.

I think I finally got it.

Joker is doing his shit since no one is giving validation to his "Keep Pack Street Separate" thread.

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say today, she said that she is more convinced now than ever that this is an exciting possibility but still hasn't made that final step.
WOODRUFF: All right, Jonathan Karl, on the trail with the first lady in New York, thanks.
REMARKS BY FIRST LADY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON AT COMPTROLLER'S ANNUAL STATE FAIR LUNCHEON, 8/30/1999
SYRACUSE NEW YORK STATE FAIRGROUNDS
SKANEATELES, NEW YORK

SECTION: WHITE HOUSE BRIEFING
MRS. CLINTON: (Applause.) Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you so much.
Thank you for that wonderful, warm welcome to Bill and to our daughter, Chelsea, who is with us. We are so pleased to be here. And I want to thank you for letting us come to share the excitement that always is part of the New York State Fair.
I'm especially pleased to be here with the Comptroller and with Joyce. They are wonderful friends, but more than that, their public service, and particularly the comptroller's leadership and what he has meant to the state over the last year is really extraordinary and exemplary. Everywhere I go around New York State, there is certainly one thing that I hear over and over again, and that is how well-liked and how well-respected Carl McCall is. So it's an honor to be here with him. (Applause.) And I also want to thank Mike Bragman for welcoming us and for his many kindnesses. I recall so well being with him and Sue and their family in his backyard listening to people talk about education and the economy and other issues facing Syracuse and central New York. And I'm very grateful for his advice and his support as I go through the state listening to New Yorkers. And there isn't any better place to do that than at a state fair.
You know, Bill and Chelsea and I were reminiscing about the state fairs that we have known and visited and attended. And Bill will probably have more to say about that in a minute because, l to take it all in. And there's all sor hink is also today here

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I have entirely forgotten what it's like to be tired. It's 2 AM, though, so I really should be falling asleep around now

Good night, faggots. And I mean it, all of you, please rest easy tonight.
A-also do your responsibilities as soon as possible and don't wait until it's too late.

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But one of the great joys that I've had in the last several months is to travel around this extraordinary, beautiful, diverse, dynamic, exciting state and meet a lot of different people in all different kinds of settings. I've been from one end of this state to the other, and I'm going to be back many times.
But what I'm especially pleased by is the way people are coming forward with ideas; ideas that they think would help to make New York an even greater state; ideas that would create more opportunities for jobs and good incomes and I know how important that is right here in central New York and throughout upstate New York; ways that we can do better to make sure every one of our children has a first-class education; to try to make sure that everyone can afford quality health care; to try to be sure that we really maximize all of the benefits and advantages that are here in New York.
And people have asked me time and time again -- I was asked in Buffalo, I've been asked in Jamestown, I've been asked in Long Island, I've been asked all over the state, Well, what am I learning? And certainly, I'm learning a lot about the diversity of New York, but I'm also learning about the common aspirations and hopes that New Yorkers have. And it's really kind of symbolized by something as great as this state fair, because when you think about it, people come from all over the state, they have agricultural interests and industrial interests, they're here for entertainment, they're here to have a good time. They're here to see what might be new and exciting in the future, and they come together for just a few days, but in a spirit that really does represent the best of this state.
And I hope that is the spirit that I'll be able to bring out c

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Have a good night