Shit that Artists/Commissioners do which pisses you off. "Oh,

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That can't possibly be real.
Also,
>Artist promises thing
>Is usually very good about delivering
>Never delivers
I mean, I get it was a multi-stage piece, but fuck Dworven, it was almost five months ago and you even made her.

>>5913153
Well, not five, but one or two people acting like this after you do something nice for them is common enough to be a problem.

>>5913350
I can see that happening, yeah. Anyway, followup.
>Artist starts uses Patreon
>Their shit comes out on public sources a few months later
>Duration between release and public release grows larger and larger
>Initially blames it on his comic, but this was when Yiff.party was still a big thing and he was indeed pumping out plenty
>Continues to slow down and some stuff never makes it out now
Fuck you Trinity Fate.

>>5913153
>Ask an anonymous artist for something
>"Sure, I can probably do that, just give me some time"
>...
>...
>...
>...Nothing
Despite the fact anonymous image boards are a good place to find artists who'll do things, it's extremely unreliable.

>>5913407
Here's the thing, tho. He finished the first image and posted it.
Then nothing. Came by later and did more requests, but never continued the Filth Sequence.

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>artist draws your niche fetish
>is there an account I can follow you on?
>nah, I only post my drawings on threads

>>5920349
Tbf, if all Artists did that, the dick-sucking some artists suffer from wouldn't be so bad and there'd be more niche art not gated behind paywalls.

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>artist only does YCHs

>>5913124
>artist only opens commissions on streams
> can't attend streams cause of work schedule/timezone differences

>>5923017

Especially when they only stream once every 6 months.

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"Hey, would you mind drawing this character of mine?"
>Any others?
"Well, her and two friends beside her. Ya know, looking all dynamicly posed and stuff?"
>Oh yeah, that's perfectly doable!
"How much would I have to pay you?"
>$60

>>5924642
>this character of mine
>oc
You deserve it furry. You nade artists shit.

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>>5913153
Dworven's entire area got ISP-banned a long time ago
Also does your one skipped request really warrant half a year of passive-aggression?

>>5926241
>Dworven's entire area got ISP-banned a long time ago
Where's he at?

>>5926261
Central Texas

>>5924642
>3 characters for 60

What's the problem here? That sounds perfectly reasonable

i hate artists that do raffles and that one weird furry that buys like 60 inflation with his autism bucks during the raffle wins every time.

>>5926241
Now see, I was unaware of this.
And no, but this is a shit that annoys you about artists thread, I am reminded of it and lightly annoyed.
But now I feel bad.

>>5924642
Yes, and? That's pretty reasonable for a three-chara pic.

>>5921165
Maybe, but so many anonymous artists vanish without a trace that if you want to see more of their art, well, fuck you, because you'll never see them again.

Anyone know who it was that caused TheOtherHalf's essay on avoiding said artist?

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>>5924642

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>artist draws flat chested or small breasted character with giant tits

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>>5931160
This actually triggers me. Some artists are so afraid of the tumblr boogeyman that they'll give anything big tits to make sure they look 18+.
My dick fucking weeps.

>>5931933
Maybe they just like big tits?

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>>5932182
Then maybe they should take their oppai-shit-taste away from my delicious flat chest.

>>5932462
>on model fags

>>5923017
>>5924570
I just had that happen today too anon
>Be off work for college midterms
>Artist streams when I usually work
>Join stream the same time notification goes live
>Slots already filled by ass kissing "friends" who wont let working members of society commission the artist for once

>>5913124
"No."

wow decisions are easy when you're not a passive aggressive spineless piece of shit

>>5924642
Lol? 60 bucks an hour would be reasonable, fucking poorfag

>>5926558
Every participant in the raffle would have commissioned weird fetish shit.

>>5931160
How fucking dare they draw what they want to draw.

>>5932462
Why?

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For artists, do you get annoyed if someone speaks nicely to you or mentions a compliment about your art when commissioning you? I'm like that with a lot of people besides artists but with artists I can see why they might think I'm just being a cocksucker when I'm being how I usually am.

>>5934172
i worry about the exact same thing when i compliment artists

>>5924642
>$60
This is a fucking steal you dumb cunt, providing the quality is above average. See, this is why artist don't like to do commissions, because most furfags aren't willing to pay more than $20.

>>5934172
>>5934249

Of course not.
I mean it's not like someone would even be commissioning me if they didn't like my art.
Nothing wrong with compliments.

>>5934172
Not really, however, there one type of commenter that absolutely pisses me off. They are the ones that posts the exact same reply/emoticon on every picture you uploaded. There are few in the horsefucker fandom I know it.

>>5929178

wasted talen't isn't a good enough pun

>>5934172

And People please, I don't want to hear:

>You're My Favorite Artist
>Your art is Awesome
>You have an amazing talent
>I love your characters
>You're a great/awesome artitst
>Your art doesn't suck
>Hey wanna be friends
>I'm Quite a Fan/ I'm a Big fan of your work
>love your stuff bro, very sexy and awesome
>You're truly an inspiration
>Your one awesome artist
> You're an Artist God :3
>I love your, Keep it Up/Keep'em coming
>I LOVE your art man

Or any other bullshits you have in that big mouth of yours

You love my work? Then good for you. but, I don't wanna see any of these complimenting or any shitty ass type of Garbage on my Profile page, Gallery page, nor sent to me by!!

- I've grown tired of hearing all that, just because you say it doesn't prove that you mean it :P That's just nothing but talk.
I don't tolerate Hypocrites

-It would probably mean that you're just full shit and not taking it seriously. And you'll probably be thinking that I'm stupid enough to believe yaz. You'll have to show me proof!!


You will eventually be BLOCKED PERMANENTLY

(I could careless if you cry about it/get angry about it... Not my problem, you've been warned)

I also came here on DA to improve on my art skills, Study more on Anatomies, proportions, Coloring and so on. Not waste my time with fucking strangers and so called "Big fans", pfffffft...right.

>>5934774
I can only hope this is a copypasta from somewhere, otherwise you're a really sour grapes kind of person.

>>5934790
I was going to say Minus8 because he has some similar issues but my only other guess is Walter Sache because he has a DA and last I browsed it he said he "Wasn't a good artist".

>>5934172
I like getting my cock sucked.

>>5934790
That's an actual popfur user's profile. I forgot his name.

>>5934774
>I also came here on DA to improve on my art skills. Not waste my time with fucking strangers and so called "Big fans", pfffffft...right.
Like hell you didn't, you absolute gaylord. If anyone were this stuck up their own ass about receiving compliments, they would have become a moderator for /ic/

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>>5934774
What the fuck? Someone actually typed this? What a pretentious gaping asshole.

What would he want to see, then?

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>>5934790
>>5934881
>>5934927
http://wsache2020.deviantart.com
It's from here

>>5935060
I knew it, Sache you pretentious fuck

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>>5935060
Jesus, that entire profile is pure mental illness. Apparently he values "trust" a really fucking lot

>>5935060
>>5935456
His art has gone downhill as of late, the new scribbled style looks worse than his old art.

>>5924642
>3 characters
>$60
that's cheap.

>>5924642
is this bait

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>artist is drama free and draws god tier porn
Sluggo you glorious cock gobbler

>>5934172
It's nice when I get complemented on my art, but deep down I know I'm shit and I think they are only saying such things to get something off of me.

>>5936731
show art

>>5936634
Not a footfag, but has he ever drawn normal feet?

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>>5936907
Eh. This is the last thing I did that was at least okay.

>>5937036
I'm just a simpe anon, And I'm not trying to get something off of you.

You're genuinly good and i hope you improve more and more years to come.

>>5936938
What does that mean?

>>5937036
Not gonna lie, your anatomy is pretty good.
The muscleature is undefined, but other than that, you seem to know what you're doing.

That said, I personally think it looks fucking awful for some reason I can't quite place.

>>5937164
Slugbox always seems to crop his images above a characters feet, and I don't know if doesn't like draw feet or if its just my imagination.

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>>5937172
Yeah, I've heard that before more than a few times. Some artists have that 'something special' that makes even their crummy art great. I seem to have the opposite.

Some kind of art skill uncanny valley?

I dunno, maybe I'll break out of it in a handful of years.

>>5937284
Now for some reason, I don't get the same reaction to this piece.
I think it's the perspective of the previous one coupled with the mohawk.
And the fact your women look like fuzzy dudes with cunts.

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>>5937695
I do generally prefer to draw things on the younger side. Boobs are a bit of a rarity for me.

>>5937870
Naa, even young females can be relatively distinct from young males.
And looking at this one, it's definitely the hair.
I hate the way you do hair.

>>5937870
this looks very odd, half of the face has a different perspective than the other face.

>>5937226
he doesn't pander to footfags

>>5937912
>>5937906
Thank you. I'll take any critique I can get.

>>5937978
>>5937870
Next time you're doing sideways faces, turn your canvas so it's straight for you. It will help you making each side of the face equal.

>dude has a fetish from an old Disney cartoon from the 40s
>Donald Duck cartoon where he's playing a truant officer
>he's got to catch Huey Dewey and Louie
>in one scene, one of the nephews is about to get away
>Donald pulls out a gun with a plunger in the barrel, it's got a rope attached, Donald shoots the nephew in the ass with the plunger, and pulls him back with the rope
>this is the whole dude's fetish
>this guy PM's me out of the blue
>tells me I should draw this scenario with my own characters
>doesn't even offer me commission
>even after I reject him, he wants me to describe in detail what I think about that scene with Donald and his nephew

Fucking furries, man.

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>>5938139
>he wants me to describe in detail what I think about that scene with Donald and his nephew
I would've just said "it's fucking gay" and shut down his fantasy

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>>5937284
>>5937870
Perhaps it's the torsos? Females are more curvy no matter the age.

>>5938561
they look more like cats except for the tails

I'm making an art website with built-in commissions.

What so you think I can do to stop some of this shit from happening?

>>5913124
There's drug dealing and loans for you.

>>5938764
ouruporos?

>>5939012
Nope.

I can almost garuntee you haven't heard of me

>>5932462
>Flat chest on a woman

Either you're a closet homo, a lolifucking pedo, or you've never actually groped and fondled a real titty.

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>>5938662
Eh, wolves, dogs, cats, they look all the same in kemono.

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>Many of the artists I want to commission are either closed indefinitely or aren't commissions period
>Go-to artists who used to be affordable has increased their prices dramatically
>Too poor to regularly pay for more expensive artists
>Really into /ss/ & /ll/, but almost no accepts those kinds of commissions and the few who do aren't very good most of the time

Christ, I just have the worst luck, and here I though going from requestfag to commissionfag would mean little to no hoops to jump through...

>>5937036
Not very good. Cube torso, legs are strikingly different thicknesses, and the foot on the right looks like you sneezed while you were drawing it.

Don't give up, though.

>>5939062
ah i see, ouro was doing a similar idea but i dont think it went anywhere

sorry i dont have any ideas for you

>>5939140
a little of the first 2 desu

>>5926241
I have mixed feelings.
I'm glad that he got ISP-banned because I personally didn't like him, but I'm sad because he drew a lot of shit for me and my general (which is dead now and he jumped to another general that I hate).

>>5936634
>slugbox
>drama free
HA

>>5940036
What kind of shit has Slugbox got into?

>>5940171
I don't remember much of it, only that he's a dickhead to commissioners.

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>>5935570
>>5935060
I found what he looks like, pretty silly

>>5938139
I want to smell Donald's feet while being pulled away haha

>>5939177
I'd thighfuck

>>5942306
But that's forbidden anon.

>>5942361
why

>>5942412
Because she's a loli and loli fucking are bad.

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>>5942444
>loli
dropped

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>>5938139
wat

WAT

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That requester who has sent notes to thousands of artists, practically telling them to draw his fetish.

>Hey there!
>I want to request something from you.
>I want you to draw me a comic, where this kangaroo transforms/inflates into a thing.
>The scene should go like *****
>It doesn't have to be too long, just a few pages if you don't feel like drawing a longer one.
>But if that's too difficult, you can just animate it for me.
>mfw
I'm sure some of you have come across this fucker.

>contact artist
>Get something worked up
>Have to pay for it first to even get in the queue
>Artist drops off the face of the earth for a full year
> Came back after a literal year later, say's he's sorry and will continue working on the list
>That was two months ago

>>5944029
HotRed or Coolblue?

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>>5934774
is this fucking minus8 lol

>>5944361
The_furFather

>>5940705
>>5935060
Can someone link this page to sache? let's see what he has to say :^)

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>>5944546
>>5934881
minus8 is actually like that, too? What?
I don't believe it. This shit is only known to furry artists

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>>5948686
He has severe issues similar to that, anon.
Saying his art is good will only end up with him going on an autistic rant about how bad he is, perhaps with some angry posts about how much he should die.

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>>5948760
Got any examples? A link?

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>>5948908
One example. I'm pretty sure he deleted his tumblr.

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>>5939177
>>5938561
Man, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Just a quick sketch from a real artist is better than anything I put out.

:I All I can do is keep on keepin' on.

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>>5948972
Goddamn. I would never thought he was so self-loathing.

What is with artists and the low self-esteem? Like you >>5948997, fucking chin-up, man.

>>5949244
I'm not an artist but I think I experience the same thing in other pursuits, it's sort of a feeling that you can't improve because usually there'll be lots of things better than what you put out.
Personally I feel people are just lying to me when they compliment me because I filled a request for them and they wouldn't want to seem ungrateful for an obscure request.

>>5948997

whatever your say """"dan"""""

>>5948997
stop drawing kids, it'll help with the self loathing and creepiness

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>>5949244
I've always been that way. I knew I was worthless by the time I was five.
>>5949563
Lol, no.

>>5949366
Jeez, what I learned from this thread:
Never compliment artists, because they apparently all have trust issues and think you're trying to grain from them.

>>5950162
Trust issues? No, I just think people are too polite to say otherwise, which is probably not true considering how quite honest some people can be, it most likely stems from my extreme paranoia.
I have never had a disparaging remark made about something I made though, so the paranoia really shines through.

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>>5950204
What if people genuinely like your art, though? It really breaks my heart to keep hearing that simple praise don't mean jack shit to artists anymore, or even more, that they hate it.

I'm no artist, so I can't criticize a damn thing other than obvious weird/fucked-up elements.

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>>5950468
>Artist
Naaaaaah, like I said I'm not an artist and I haven't uploaded art to the internet since I was maybe 14.

This is just general other things, when you do any sort of creative thing you get really bogged down on the thought that what you do isn't up to standards when compared to something that got you into whatever that specific category. I've been able to move on from hating whatever I make to just being embarrassed, but I still feel like I'm letting people down when they ask something of me.

>>5950556

>I still feel like I'm letting people down when they ask something of me.

Well speaking from the point of an artist.
Artists and other creators often don't realize how people who don't draw or create see their work. Even crappy art can honestly look good for many people.
I started drawing at around 22 years old, so I know very well what it looks like from the other side.
Before I started, I used to admire many artists.
Then after a year or two of drawing, I realized how mediocre those people were.
Now 4 years after starting, I realize how fucking terrible some of those artists were.
A hint of correct anatomy was enough to make me go "wow, that's amazing"
But I didn't see it that way back before I picked up the pen.
Now I have people complimenting some of my horrendous scribbles and going "wow, that's great!" Which I sure as hell don't agree with.
But I understand the different perspective between an artist and someone who doesn't draw.
There's an immense difference in the way things look like.

But I do understand the feeling of letting people down, even if they don't see it like that themselves.
I occasionally get it when I draw commissions.
If I draw something I'm personally not happy with and if I don't see constant improvement in my work, I don't truly register the compliments given to me regarding the art.
I never let people know that though. I keep those thoughts to myself and always thank people for the kind comments.
After all, they do enjoy the art, even if personally I'm not ok with the work.

>>5949718
Anywhere I could follow you or something?
Maybe mail a link or w/e to [email protected] if you don't wanna post it for the whole thread to see

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>>5950779
What does your art look like

>>5950906
Inkbunny is the containment location for furry loli/shota stuff. aka 'cub'.
https://inkbunny.net/DansLittleFurs
Be advised, my quality and content is variable.

>>5948997
It takes time to get good, and trials and error, lots of trials and errors, like years worth of it.

>>5951701
Indeed.

>>5950907

Let's just say that I'm good enough to ask 80-130$ per commission and I'm being offered more work than I can handle, so I'd say I'm at least somewhat competent as far as the fandom's standards go.

But honestly my art is nothing to write home about and I have a long way to go until I'm happy with it.

>>5951915
Why won't you post it, man? I wanna see how your art looks like

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>be ahead in a commission queue
>artist finishes work for people coming in later first

Or

>artist promises to finish work in x amount of time
>artist doesn't even follow up that they might be late and goes past the deadline before I have to message them to ask what's going on

Why do so many people lack professionalism? I swear if I could I'd start breaking people's legs so they can start getting their shit together.

>>5950779
I can attest to this. After acquiring some basic drawing skill the things that have impressed me in art made a total shift. Now I just see finished, rendered pieces as total time sinks and tend to gravitate more to solid sketch work.

>>5952688
Because the entry barrier for doing freelance work is very low and there's not a whole lot of accountability online. You're better off trying to find someone that treats you as a customer and not just another fan.

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>>5950779
Reminds me of this.

Advice from a former delayer to angry clients.

>1.-If you don't both agree on a set deadline beforehand, don't give the artist money. We need the pressure.
>2.-If the artist doesn't agrees to send WIPs, don't give him money. Find someone else.
>3.-If the artist doesn't have pieces similar to what you're asking. Then you most likely won't get something back.

>4.-Clarify your intent:

Composition, color palette, energy, gestures... Everything is derived from the kind of idea you are trying to flesh out. If your idea is a vague nonsensical abstraction with irrational characters then don't expect artists to come up with a solution right away. Artists don't feel like drawing if they feel like the idea is shit, good art can't save a shit concept.

Really think hard about what will make the art good, beyond the skill of the artist. Why would people like that idea?

Example:

>Girl in bikini armor pinup.
Boom. Everyone understands what's up. Done in 2-3 days.

>Porky pig getting an abortion via plunger while daffy duck farts in his face.
How do you expect ANYONE to come up with body language and composition for this? What emotions is this even trying to represent?
It can be drawn. But don't expect the artist to find a solution right away.

Now, that last example is a huge exaggeration.
But you, paying customer, are the DIRECTOR. If you don't know how to give orders don't expect the artist to guess. Guessing takes time and effort. Explain yourself and the work will be done faster.

Imagine walking into a restaurant and asking: "Uhh I would like something with pickles and chocolate. Make it extra crunchy please." Even if it sounds simple to do, most chefs would bail on you before even attempting to solve that.

>>5933723
>implying I don't do that already but that I have to never vent about it

Wow it's like you have no sense of people wanting to bitch on an anonymous Taiwanese board because it create conversation.

Go be a edgy faggot elsewhere.

>>5939245
If no one wants to draw your fetish porn, you gotta do it yourself.

Bump↑

>>5951915
please post a sample! I'm completing an art degree next year and hoping to start doing freelance work as much as possible after that, working my way up in commissions. I'd really like to know what level of skill and polish warrants a good price like that.

>>5958045

Nah, I'll remain anonymous.
But as for:
>what level of skill and polish warrants a good price like that.
You need a radical change of mindset there.
That's not a "good price" and if you truly think of it as such, you're not going to make it.
That's something you should treat as the lowest base price if anything.
Especially considering that you're talking to a guy who has a bit under 4 years of drawing experience, where as you've probably drawn things ever since you were a kid and you're aiming to make a living from this.

Being an artist is like 80% of being a businessman with good customer relations and the rest of it is creation and skill.
You can't go at the freelance world while thinking that a sum of 100$ is even remotely close to acceptable.
Because it's not. It's low as shit and you can't sustain yourself with that kind of income, unless you're extremely fast.
Also it's important to keep in mind that there's craploads of money in the fandom and they will pay if you just ask.
Unfortunately internet is also full of teens and kids selling their art for peanuts, so there's this prevalent idea that commissions are supposed to cost double digits or they're considered expensive.
Which is one of the reasons why artists nowadays go for the YCHs and Patreon, because by doing that you can ask 300$ for a pic, you'd normally dare to ask 80$ for.
And the fandom more than happily pays the YCH price.
So it's a becomes a bit of a mindgame at that point, but even though the prevalent ideas of commissions having to cost under 100$ are there, you need to have the balls to ask for more.
It's an important lesson to take to heart.
You're going to be a professional freelancer, not an artist but first and foremost a businessman.
So switch that artistic way of thinking into a financial one.
And start learning your market to know how much skill you need to ask for 100$
Observe the lowest skilled artists around you who get work and ask for those sums. There's your baseline.

>>5958191
I'd be wary of the YCH route if you've got a narrow comfort zone.

>>5958191
Thank you for the advice! I've never sold my art before so really any sort of money sounds good to me where I am now haha. I'm very particular about my works though and it isn't unusual for me to spend twenty hours on one piece so in the long term $100 definitely would not be ideal.

If you don't mind me asking, how long does it take for you to complete a typical commission and what sort of commissions do you receive? Another poster had mentioned a prevalence of YCH listings as a primary money maker as opposed to customer requested compositions. And I guess one other major thing I have been wondering is how to go about marketing yourself? Starting out in the art community with zero friends, I imagine getting likes and shares would be difficult with no prior networking.

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Artist who's name will never be revealed here!

Furry art as we know it is such a luxury item that is tailored to each individual client and so it is slow and costs an awful lot.

Adoptables, YCHs and other things like that are more reproducible and cheaper but it's very clear that nobody really likes them.

Tailored images featuring your fursona in your chosen scenario will always be expensive, there's no realistic way to change that.

What do you think of the idea of an artist making a product of his own choice and selling that? A group of artists could work together under a similar style and mass produce furry porn of high quality.

Hardblush has done this pretty successfully and I really think this kind of thing could take the furry fandom upwards greatly

I'm not so sure on the economics of this though
The artists would have to be paid and there the products must be worth buying

I don't think paying the artists would be much of a problem, as an artist myself I'd glady accept a lower annual income if it meant I'd no longer be the one handling the business, just drawing. The business side of art is truly crushing and many artists have left the fandom because of it. However there is less freedom when you're working for someone else and a lot of artists do enjoy freelance for this despite the downsides.

I'm not sure how to go about making something that the furry fandom would be willing to pay for
"$20 for art that's not my fursona and something that will probably be leaked in a month?! no thank you"
Is what I expect to happen if the product is just a digital file.
Aside from con goers, physical products like prints, pins, etc are not very popular particularly because it's porn

Does anybody have any thoughts on this?

you anons ever think that one day the autism gene that makes furries will one day be eliminated in like 80+ years with that CRISPER thing

>>5959358
I'd love and hate for that to exist.

>>5959358
>that CRISPER thing
???

>>5961078
CRISPR
some gene modification method

>>5959465
Why hate?

>>5964217
not him, but I'm thinking we'd be losing a fast cash audience

>>5940705
poor asshole, go hang yourself!

Artist complaint thread? Alright. How about the artists who delete their fucking gallery with no rhyme or reason?

>>5970291
Word. It's caused me to be a compulsively backup everyone I watch.

>>5970291
We've already heard this same tired complaint a million times already. Isn't there new material to complain about?

>>5970291
>When Trinity deleted everything old a while back
I just don't get it.

>>5973059
Did you ask him why?

>>5973130
IIRC he mentioned something along the lines of "It was bad and from a portion of my life I'd rather forget."

>>5973223
I havent kept up with him. What kinda stuff did he delete?

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>>5973223
Damn, that sucks. He used to draw such great Derpy ass. Never again, I guess.

>>5975105
So he erased all the pony stuff he did?

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>>5913124
>artists post content
>low res as hell
>slapped his patreon link in the post
one - nothing wrong with me

>>5972980
Sup CoolBlue. Finally get tired of people tossing money at you?

>>5975907
I don't know who that is, but actually calling out names makes these threads more interesting at least.

>>5975907
Speaking of Coolblue I never knew he was as shit as he is
I used to browse his livestream and saw he drew a lot of art but all of his blog links in his description he didn't post on
So I assumed he never posted anything online, he had about 4 links in his description
I told him his art was great and he should post this stuff online
He then calls me an idiot and that he does post online
He says he posts on inkbunny
I then go and good coolblue inkbunny and find his art posted
I ask him why 4 dead blogs are linked but not the only one he posts to
he bans me for arguing
He still hasn't changed his links

>>5976247
>he
You right tho. Everyone in the Red/Blue/Tojyo circlejerk are thinskinned af. There was an anon that criticized Tojyo in a stream once and got

>You don't a good art. Sit down, BE QUIET

>>5976520
Jesus. Why are only 1 or 2 Jap sanic pornographers not insane?

>>5976520
wow, what a douche

Fuck all y'all entitled little bitches.

>>5975136
Yeah and said he will no longer takes commissions for them

>>5980596
I don't understand artist who do this. You already draw porn. How the hell is ponyshit so embarrassing? Get over yourselves.

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>>5943639
Yeah, I've seen one of those.

He was a diaperfag who got REALLY irate whenever someone denied his requests. Pretty sure I saw him call an artist a "FUCKING NIGGER" once.

>>5981713
For requests, I wouldn't draw something like that, but I've never denied a commission. Drawing a kink I don't like isn't so bad that I'll turn down money.

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Not so much an artist but still
>Great artist
>Super nice
>Great Artstyle
>Commissions are decently cheap
>Check his tumblr one day
>Taken down
>wat.jpg
>Check his SFW tumblr
>Also down
>WOT.jpg
>Find out some fucking false-flagger pretended to be Nintendo, and took down his pixiv and tumblr.
>MFW
Jesus christ, why can't people let other people have nice things?

>>5982127
>Why can't people let other people have nice things?
Because they are miserable sacs of shit who can't be happy unless they make other people sad.

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>>5982159
True.
It still makes me mad, because I was planning on commissioning him eventually.

>>5982226
They'll be back, eventually. Scrounge around, they might be on like Picarto or some shit.

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>>5982263
He has a deviantart, and I was never one for streams.
Pic related, one of my favorite pieces he's made.

>>5937036
it's too plain but it's a nice drawing

>>5982127
Which artist?

>>5981802
got an account?

I fear the day my name pops up in one of these threads..

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>>5989991
Yes I do. Check it out and see If my style or skill is acceptable.

http://nokemop.tumblr.com/tagged/my-art

>>5990087
If you fear your name ever coming up, chances are, you're pretty alright.

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>>5990171
Lord i hope so.

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Hopefully I can finish this before Halloween, or atleast 3/5 of it. 4th panel is my favourite.

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>>5991149
Again 4th is my favourite panel.

>>5982302
>>5982127

Oh another artist got nuked because of the nintendo shit too? That sucks. I know Doxy almost got hit because of it and there was another artist who drew a lot of nintendo stuff who had to stop uploading it to tumblr.

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>>5934774

this post is one of the following:

-bait
-copypasta
-legit truth comming from a burned-out popufur
-Jasonfex

>>5913124

>Only Takes Commissions on streams
>Has streams at weird off-hours for you
>Only opens a tiny handful of slots also on off-hours
>Switches to auctioning their slots

Is it that hard to open up a google doc form and have an open queue?

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>>5958505

Not gonna happen because of piracy. That and money that gets between two or more people especially at such competitive (low) prices is sure to break up teams from a financial standpoint.

Though there are a couple artists that have managed to do this somewhat successfully, be it a comic or some type of joint artists account.

Honestly Patreon and crowdfunding is the best way to go about it at the moment, but overtime we are seeing a ton of paywalling which is too much for the average viewer to keep up with: it's gonna result in more piracy as more viewers have less access to all the art they want but can't support.

Commissions seem to be the most reasonable for both the artist and the viewer but yeah, some OC's are cancer. YCH' are cancer too but mostly because of OC's. and OC's are unlikely to become appealing, because they are trendy flavor of the weeks, and are alsowhy one would commission an artist in the first place; because of the separation of their uniqueness from a generic wolf/dog/fox etc.

The truth is that you need money as an artist to run off of if you want to create more art, and no one really wants to pay that tax especially considering how many artists are drawing essentially the same stuff. Unless you have a very unique AND appealing style , which includes good execution, discipline, and publicity, you won't really go far at least financially.

I'm trying to make a living out of this too and it is becoming increasingly more difficult without relying on gimmicks or surreptitious behavior.

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Not really an artist or a commissioner, but god I fucking hate how e621 allows humans/monstergirls. And I mean it straight-out allows shit like pic-related, despite claiming it's supposed to be an archive for all animal/anthro related content.
Same thing with FA (although no one with any common sense uses that site), it allows humans because they don't have the balls to tell them to fuck off, despite furries not being allowed on human websites.
The only furry website so far I've seen that doesn't allow humans is Inkbunny, the thing is that they overdo it by banning human/furry content as well. And hell, I hate human/furry - it's just that it's pants-on-head retarded.

>>5994193

>be artist
>post and upload work to e621
>make jokes in comments section
>-2 rating

moderators are absolute scum of the earth.

>>5994388
>be artist
>post and upload work to e621 and FA
>never comment, upvote or post in forums
Knowing the furry community I'd stay as anonymous asI can

>artist isnt that good they range from goodish to shit
>makes a comic thats pretty ok
>goes all 2serious5u bullshit

JUST SHOW ME THE BIRDS FUCKING FOR GOD SAKE ANTIDEV

>>5996157
>tfw trying to make a sexy porn comic
>turns into a fucking comedy
How the fuck am I gonna attract followers and buckaroos if I keep derailing my porn into comedy?

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>>5990120
Funny thing is, I am in the market for fat art. I'm going to be blunt, your stuff doesn't "click" with me. It's sketchy, lumpy, bottom heavy, cellulite ridden, little variety and males. I'm interested in something like this pic

>>5996290
I like humor in my porn

>>5996290
>>5997452
porn comics have never been funny

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>>5997568
>implying

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>>5996302
It's alright.

>>5924642
Artist are jews, this is nothing new.
People in other mediums would get fucking executed if they tried that shit and no one would question it.

>>5998638
>People in other mediums would get fucking executed if they tried that shit and no one would question it.
I know. art is great.

>>5997568
TWINKIE HOUSE!

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>>5922453
This practice needs to stop

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>Artist continues to push your paid commission back on their queue despite punching out personal art, in-stream commissions, and adopts at a good rate
>Confront them about this
>"Why didn't you pay the rush fee?"
>"You've had two months."
>"You could have had it in two days."

>>6002852
>rush fee
what

>>6002852
As an artist, I can tell you commissions are almost never worth doing unless they pay you industry standard price. It isn't like an electrician where you just fix things with a clear set method, it involves lots of creativity and time, and being underpaid. Sometime you have to deal with shitty clients or shitty ideas and OCs, these things will give you a mental breakdown, dragging down your overall quality. Not to mention shitty OCs and fetishes plaguing your gallery will give you a bad impression, attracting less people to your page.

So the bottomline is, fuck commissions, find other means of funding.

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>Artist deletes their entire gallery without notice
>Their art is gone forever unless someone saved it all

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>Everything artist draws has the same face and body type
>one of the most popular artists on the site.

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>>6006932
fucking oriole

>>6007059
Preferences.

>>6007347
Sindoll and Palcomix

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>>5913124
>Pay for commission
>Not shit for payment
>$160 for a decent sized commission
>A gift to the pathfinder group I GM for
>Fast Forward 3 months
>Campaign is almost over
>Artist finally contacts me
>"Oh hey Anon! I'm sorry, I've just been swamped lately, but I'm finally getting to your commissions! I hope you will like them!"
>Angryrelief.png
>Two more months
>Only two of the five characters drawn
>Campaign is over
>Ask artist why my commissions aren't done
>"I just haven't really been feeling it, y'know? I can't draw it if I don't feel it."
>mfw

I've paid for the god damn art. I paid a decent amount for it. Give me the fucking thing I paid for you twat.

>>6007435
Some people just like a certain body type they most.

>>6006499
You agreed to do a piece for a price, you honor it or refund the money. If you feel like you're undercharging, that's the artist's perogative, not the client.

>>6007591
This "I don't feel like it" shit is the fucking worst, as not ONE artist will communicate that your piece may be delayed. If anyone pulled that shit on me after a stupidly long wait, I'd demand a refund immediately.

>>6007997
People like that shouldn't be taking commissions, because it's clear they think of it as a hobby rather than a job.

>>6007059
Adam Wan
Wolfy Nail
Miles DF
Sif

>>6007059
>>6008111
Which artists do a lot of variety?

>>6008111
>Adam Wan
isnt that guy a cuck

>>6006499
You're underpaid because you charge peanuts. Your clients want shitty fetishes because you advertise them in your gallery. Charge what you want to get paid and only post what you want to advertise, it's that simple.

>>6008080
Honestly, once you get paid, it becomes a job, pure and simple. Before that, fine, take all the time you want. As soon as you have my money? Get working.

Not that I expect the artist to necessarily give a commission priority over school or another job, but they should put it ahead of random doodles or sketches for friends. How would some of these people survive in the real world?
>"Johnson, we've been waiting for you to finish the manual revisions for a month. What's taking so long?"
>"Hey, man, I just haven't been feeling the vibe lately. It'll get done when it's done, so chill."

>>5998638

>other mediums

have you tried commissioning a sculpture lately?

>>6007952
>>6008267
If you charge more than $100 barely anyone would commission you, even if your quality is insane, and it's still way below industry pricing. If you undercharge then it'll be a shit time for you.

Hence either way it's not worth it.

>>6008380
You've got to market yourself. Quality of work is much less important than the size of your audience. Charge what you want, and if your audience is big enough you'll get work.

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>ask for requests
>some guy requests me something really stupid
>say no
>he gets pissed and makes me look like the asshole

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>>6008606
>Ask for requests
>No one wants anything drawn by you
I envy artists like you, even the popular ones that get bombed with gross/stupid requests everyday.

>>6008869
>Says taking requests
>Gets nothing
I find that hard to believe unless you're a relatively small artist who just made like 1 Journal post on DA.

>>6006932

>strider orion

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>>6008978
>small artist
Yeah. And slowly becoming smaller each month.
>1 Journal post
Nah.
>DA
Inkbunny and Tumblr.
12 years of drawing(5 year online presence), attending classes, and studying from books and yet none of my drawings have any appeal to attract any attention to my accounts/galleries. I'd get rid of my left nut in a heartbeat if I could trade places with anyone in this thread.

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>>5997888

>>5994906
>be artist
>Get my stuff posted on e621 without me knowing it
>Get pumped into getting people to post my work there.
Is a vicious cycle of wondering what gets some pictures posted there and not others.

>>5996290
Ridiculous, funny and over the top porn can get people interested in your work.

>>5998108
I like your stuff, i'm also in the fatfur market and it always help to have some variety, but something i can agree with the other anon is that your style is a bit sketchy in some f your work it really does wonders when you use a refined lineart

>>6010249
Link to your stuff?

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>>6010489
You mean stuff like this? Yeah, I personally feel like my sketches look better sometimes, but people want to see finished works. I upload too many sketches. One of the reasons I don't upload all my sketch dumps to tumblr is because I really like some of the ideas in them, and showing off sketches can just feel like wasted potential. I need to be more confident in my line art.

>>6010249
Read a book on marketing, seriously. 90% of getting the ball rolling is to just get yourself out there.

>>6010249
You're small because you're not giving us a link to your gallery.
It's called networking.

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>artist opens up 2 commission slots
>I manage to take the first slot
>soon after me and artist discuss and review a sketch
>total silence for a few days after
>six days after artist opened commissions he posts finished work for the guy who took the second slot
>I go "wtf I was first" but whatever, have faith in artist and wait
>days go by and still nothing, finally decide to contact artist and ask what's up
>responds with "aww sorry, ofc I'll do it! got carried away on weekends ;)" and says he'll get back to me with another sketch soon
>three days later still have nothing, and in the time between now and when he took my commission he has already finished shit for the other commissioner, his patreon, and has even posted a sketch for something else
>want to complain but I haven't even paid him yet (agreed to pay once sketch is finished)
Why is this happening? I was nice and professional, didn't bug the fucker and my request isn't something offensive or unreasonable. I'm at a standoff where I should be in outrage for these delays but don't have that entitlement since he hasn't taken my money yet. It's kinda bullshit.

>>6008354
Putting paid work behind gift art or doodles are what get me. Why wouldn't you want to get paid already so you can get more paid work?

>>6008380
What do you consider "industry pricing"? Where did such a standard come from?

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>>6010249
>wants attention
>doesn't link
????

>>5944732
please don't
i like his art and i'm afraid that if he gets "called out", even though he really needs it, he'll just pull a Delete Fucking Everything and vanish forever, and we'll only be able to get super-low-res, obnoxiously-intrusive-watermarked versions of his art through his """friends""" like that xarda jackass.

the situation is kind of like, when one of your party members is confused, so you want to smack them to snap them out of it, but their hp is already so low you're afraid it'll kill them. and you're out of phoenix downs.

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>>5913124
>Find a new artist on FA and decide to watch them
>A few hours later, see a new comment
>A shout
>"Hey thanks for watching!"
>mfw

I get it's meant to be a nice gesture, but when fucking everyone does it all it means is that your page gets bombed with these annoying impersonal messages that start to feel more like spam than a gesture of good will.

>>6012383
The average cost for a professional portrait painting vary alot, it could go up to the thousands, but it's never below $200. Art is expensive because it takes years of training, but the furry market is extremely competitive due to the supply of artists, which devaluates the art. Now imagine a 12 hour work costing only $60. I make more than that working at minimum wage.

>>6012535

> market is extremely competitive due to the supply of artists,

Strangely enough, it's really not.
The fandom is growing at a very fast rate and the amount of good or even half competent artists isn't going up at a similar rate.
What we see on the other hand is more and more people complaining that they can't find artists with open commission slots.
They're now everywhere.
>I want to commission, but everyone is always full!
>They just do commissions on streams! I can't buy anything.
The main problem is that artists are fucking horrendous businessmen and every single time I tell them to charge more and that they're supposed to treat their art as a job, not a hobby or a charity, they go
>Gee whiz anon, that's actually a good idea! Thanks anon!
So what's happening now is that more and more money is piling up in the fandom and the artists are too timid and stupid to jack up their average prices from ~70$ to +150$ per single character commission with a background.
And when the money is piling up and it can't be gotten through commissions, artists turn to YCH,paywalling,Patreon and adoptables and they're doing fine when they go down that road.
Then we get the fandom complaining that yet another artist stopped drawing commissions and now only does YCHs or any other of those things mentioned.

It's like a self perpetuating problem that the fandom creates.
Both by artists being too hesitant to ask more money and the fandom being a bunch of smiling morons, who would rather pay 350$ for a very restricted YCH picture, meanwhile sneering at the idea of getting a commission of their choosing for even 50% of the cost.
But the buying power is constantly growing and the amount of commissionable artists isn't.
The problem is either going to fix itself with the increased amount of money, or it's just going to get pumped into everything else than commissions and the fandom can wave goodbye to the idea of choosing what they want to see.

>>6012596
I'm predicting that there will be an impending crash of sorts if the latter happens.

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>>6012344
You didn't pay him

Dudes being a cheeky Jew and likely won't draw it till you pay him

>Hey daddy please send me your cummies in a bag
>******** I know that's you and if you don't stop posting here I'm going to be forced to call the police

>>5927063
>2016 the year of our lord
>not being psychic

>>6012986
Not paying him until sketching is finished was part of his own terms.

>>5998638
can i quote this post as "Shit that Commissioners do which pisses you off"?

>>6013799
It doesn't really matter, jew.
All artist need to be gassed

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>>6012299
>>6012391
I fell asleep, come on. Besides, linking my blog isn't going to change anything. I already linked my account multiple times in drawthreads and discord groups whenever someone thinks my drawing was good and asks me for a link. But as soon as they view my gallery, pic related is what happens everytime.

>It's called networking.
For me, I think that's only half of the problem. The thing is, a lot of people do know I exist and they know where to find my shit, its just my full gallery that most likely turns them off. To them, I might have 1 or 2 "amazing" drawings, while everything else looks horrible(I'm starting to notice it too). Its like I said before, none of my drawings have any appeal. I'm still down for getting rid of that left nut if anyone wants to trade places.

>>6011636
>Read a book on marketing
I doubt its going to change anything, but I'll still check one out. Might be useful down the road for any non-art related projects.

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>>6013909
>tfw no more artists
>you have to draw your own porn
>you became the artist
>you have to gas yourself

>>6014515
God dammit give a name or post an example

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>Artist has commission queue
>You can pay extra to jump to the front of it

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>>6015499
>Artist has commission queue
>Artist does work in whatever order he feels like
>You just so happen to end up last

>>6012506
Got yelled at by same fag on deviantart when they followed me, and I didn't thank them. People are pretty shitty.

>>5913124
Commissioning in general, but particularly YCHs.

I can't help it. It's one of those frustrating things that is harmless on an individual level but creates cultural/community problems, but makes you look like a dickhead for complaining about it.

Furry was never good, but I'd like to imagine it was slightly better than just being a competition of who can spend the most money commissioning pornography and vanity art. I'd like to imagine there was some kind of creative community that had a more "do-it-yourself" sort of attitude even if the result was shittier, since it'd encourage more direct creativity and less "oh, err... basically this fox except with two dicks up his ass instead of one. that'll be $500? ok!"

it works well for porn production, but it's not something that sustains a community - except one of beggars, sycophants and egotists.... and artists. [spoiler]usually egotists[/spoiler]

>>5998638

Draw and take commissions, then come back and see how you feel about it.

>>5913124

I took a commission for $60 dollar steam game, for a comic and separate character pages.

Never finished the comic, just a rough outline, but I have some of the single stuff done, offered to refund anon, refused and told me just to keep at it, feel really down and bad, lost all interest in the request, lost interest in drawing in general cus' super depressed in general about my life, what do?

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>>6015824
Finish the fucking comic you stupid bitch.

>>6015694

>it works well for porn production, but it's not something that sustains a community

What community are you talking about?
Because there's nothing to sustain at this point.
Furry isn't a small group of few friends that get together and draw fanart of cartoon characters.
It might have started out with some people discussing in ancient usenet chatrooms and creating for fun, but nowadays we have a vibrant and tolerant community of diaper,scat,beastiality and who knows what fetishists.
Furry fandom is nothing but a consumerist porn community at this point.
Creating furry porn can be a real job and it can be a fairly lucrative form of making a living.
Not to mention a hell of a lot of furry art wouldn't exist if it wasn't for commissions.

Also the whole internet culture, or the culture in general has turned into a system where micro transactions are the norm and people consume all the damn time.
Buying something is practically few finger movements away on your phone.
Naturally this is going to seep into all larger groups of people and things are going to be sold and bought there.

If you want that true creativity and appreciation for skill and craftsmanship, then try digging up some small art groups that resemble the 2006 era conceptart.org forums.
You're not going to find that mindset in larger groups nowadays.

Get defensive at even the most constructive of criticisms.

>>6015920
>What community are you talking about?
The one that only exists notionally and continues to disappoint me. A more pithy answer would be "Exactly my point."

>but nowadays we have a vibrant and tolerant community of diaper,scat,beastiality and who knows what fetishists.
See, I wouldn't go so far as to call that a community. Except in the later sense of "consumerist porn community" the same way one has the "Apple computer community" (though I suppose at least that probably has real history and culture :^) )

>Also the whole internet culture, or the culture in general has turned into a system where micro transactions are the norm and people consume all the damn time.
>You're not going to find that mindset in larger groups nowadays.
"And that's terrible."

See, this whole thing does tie into a wider mindset about how the internet as a whole is a revolutionary technology that's gone so fucking wrong it isn't funny. We could've had something great. People could actually have been liberated for once and put into a space where pseudonymity was the norm and they were relatively free to explore ideas without serious consequences and where - by the nature of computer data itself - things could generally be without cost simply because there's no cost of duplication, opening things to a huge audience. Now to some extent we do have that, but it's increasingly not shaping up to be the norm as it should've been. Instead, we've got a place that's increasingly just becoming a facsimile of real life with the consumerism and vanity ramped up to 11.

I'm going to leave this tangent here: https://medium.com/swlh/how-technology-hijacks-peoples-minds-from-a-magician-and-google-s-design-ethicist-56d62ef5edf3
It isn't relevant but it might be of interest. I don't need a community, I need a cyanide capsule.

Maybe I can buy one over the internet!

>>6015824
You're the fucking cancer that makes these threads happen. Just finish the piece already, christ.

>>5913124
Add dialogue to images but cannot into fucking basic english.

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>Artist pretty much never does actual art anymore because drawing icons makes them more money

>>6016124
>the one time in several months they open up, you have no commission money

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>>5982302
>bigdead93 got nuked
What the fuck!? When did this happened?

>>6016017

> the same way one has the "Apple computer community"
Yes, that's exactly what I mean.
There's no such thing as a furry community and hasn't been for a while.
Actually I'd be happy to see FA go down and shatter it a bit, so it would form newer and smaller groups.

And yeah, I know where you're coming from and I agree with you.
It's a shame what the internet has done to people and how the consumerist and lazy attitudes have taken people over.
I mean fuck, the furry fandom has some seriously shit tier standards when it comes to art (yes, even the supposedly good stuff is nothing to write home about) and good luck trying to find people who are actively trying to better themselves nowadays.
I think it's mostly because the people in the fandom don't demand quality, artists say
>Oh fuck it, whatever. If you don't want quality, then I'm not going to bother.
And go by the lowest possible standard.

But then again, this is and has always been human nature.
Only a fraction of people have the real drive to improve themselves and the rest of them are just going to go with the flow.
And it's only going to get worse in the future.
Attentions spans are getting shorter, computers are being dumbed down and the instant gratification way of thinking is only increasing.
I think the 90s generation is going to be the last one out there that's going to produce a lot of artists and other creators.
Everyone else is just going to grow in the mentality of "Fine, if it's not working for me instantly, then I'll just quit!!"
Which is what I'm already seeing an alarming amount.
We're in for an interesting future, especially when you throw in the prospect of automation.

>>6015869
>>6016020

In my defense I offered anon a refund... I guess I'll finish it...

>>6015824

> feel really down and bad, lost all interest in the request, lost interest in drawing in general cus' super depressed in general
about my life, what do?

Never again take a comic commission, unless you're willing to slap an extra zero to whatever price you were thinking.
60$ for a comic + character pages is ridiculous and this is why you got fed up with it.
I made a similar mistake, took a 2 page fully shaded and colored comic commission and undervalued it to shit, at only asking roughly 100$ per page.
Really got me feeling like shit working on it, but I simply muscled through it, because it was a job I committed to.

If you feel like shit regarding art, well it stems from your own mistakes regarding the situation.
Not from the depression that come from other things.
If you let your customer down, you will feel like shit about everything.
Because this isn't some faceless corporation selling art, this is you working on a personal level with other people.
So most importantly, commit to the jobs you take.
Also before you think of your next commission, you first of all need to get better.
Get so good that you 100% know that you can deliver.

With this comic of yours, you could try setting yourself deadlines. Divide the comic to parts and work on it.
Lines ready at day X, even if I need to go without sleeping, you finish the part.
Then the colors, same thing.
Keep forcing it out if necessary, but you get it out of your system and go on with your life.
Get better at art and sell a commission for a realistic price the next time around.
Trust me, you'll feel a whole lot different working on a more reasonable job.

>>6016619
Your second half was on point, but good luck selling the first half on the glut of "starving artists" out there. People will either man up and get the skills required to demand the prices you mentioned, or they'll flounder and exit the market because no one values their art that highly. I'm not saying your suggestions are wrong, but I know that there will be significant resistance to change on both ends, both from consumers who refuse to pay higher than the current rates and the artists who will be desperate for anything they can get.

>>6016619

It was a 8 page comic and 4 separate character drawings for $60 total.

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>>6017031

If I had gotten drunk as fuck and by some miracle agreed to a commission like that , I'd tell to the commissioner that he's either going to get take the refund or I'm just going to keep the money.
His choice, but there's not going to be a product with those prices.
If every one of those pages has 4 panels with a single character, that combined with the 4 separate characters and you're working for a price of 1.6$ per picture here.
If every one of those panels has 2 charecters, well then your rate is 0.88$ per picture.
Even if you were drawing the shittiest of MsPaint pictures, I wouldn't have a fitting reaction image for this.

>>6017031
oh my what have you gotten yourself into

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>>6017228
>>6017246

I don't usually commission, and I didn't feel as though I was good enough to request more cash, it was kinda my first and probably last commission ever.

>>6017228
>>6017246

Also, as I said again, I offered the anon a refund.

>>6017296
If you hit a jackpot and then someone came up "yeah can you return that jackpot and we will give you the 1 dollar you paid for it back", would you accept that?

>>6017296

Yes, and I didn't suggest you offer him a refund.
You GIVE him a refund or you will tell him that you KEEP the fucking money.
There's no
>"Umm.. sir, i've been talking about this and..well..umm I don't feel like drawing it"
>I-i mean the amount of work is quite a bit and..to be honest not even a starving Chink would work for these rates.
No, fuck that.
You tell that guy that you're returning his money and that's that, the commission is fucking over and you rethink your life.

Also post your art.
I'm seriously interested in seeing the quality of it.

>>6017031
Shit son, that's stupidly underpriced even if it was simple uncolored sketches. The fuck were you on?

>>6017228

There were going to be 8 panels in each page, I have 4 of the 8 pages thumb-nailed and roughly sketched out so far... I also said I was going to color them, just flat colors...

>>6017396

It'll be my first and last, I am an uber-noob at this commission shit, I thought maybe I could do this to make some extra side cash.

>>6017393

I think I might just have to do that.

>Also post your art. I'm seriously interested in seeing the quality of it.

I am too embarrassed that it sucks too much, although before that the anon commissioned a pic or two and and wanted me to do more...

>>6012437
Xarda that guy who has some robot dinosaur thing his donut steel is married to?

>>6014515
Link it anyways

>>6014515
Keep linking yourself and get gud at drawing. Why be such a bitch about it?

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>>6020179
>Keep linking yourself
I've been doing that for 3-4 years. Doing it now isn't going to change anything.

>get gud at drawing.
Its not drawing in general that's the problem, its the style I draw with. It only looks good on a few characters. I'm trying to adapt to a new drawing style, but its taking awhile.

>Why be such a bitch about it?
I take art way too serious. 12 years of drawing, studying books, and throwing money at classes and I still can't get this shit down. Can't help it -- I even become bitter when I see superior artists, especially if they've been drawing for 2-4 years (I don't take my anger out on them though. I just bottle up my fury and let them do their thing). Pathetic, I know.

>>6014974
>>6019115
I won't link myself, but I'll drop an image once I'm near a computer. Currently posting on a phone, sorry.

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>>6021005
>Doing it now isn't going to change anything
Then why not link if people are asking for it?
If it's not going to do anything then surely you should have no qualms as there are no negatives?

>>6021005
Your attitude is already enough to turn me off from wanting to see your stuff now. You're annoying as hell, whiny, and overly self loathing.

>>6021138
>You're annoying as hell, whiny, and overly self loathing.
Of course. You wouldn't if you spent 10+ years on your profession and still couldn't do anything right?

>Your attitude is already enough to turn me off from wanting to see your stuff now.
Perfect.

>>6021358
So you just purposely discourage people from giving you attention and wanting to see your work now?

>>5920349
I do this except I do have an FA account. I just never respond to anons asking if it's me or if I have a page. I post them there like a week after posting them on 4chan. When I remember.

>>6021429
>So you just purposely discourage people from giving you attention and wanting to see your work now?
Oh no no no, just the full gallery. I said I would drop an example soon.

>>6012506

I just like to treasure every watch I get cause it makes me happy someone somewhere likes the content I produce and I feel it would just be rude not to reciprocate. It's not like the shoutbox on an art page is too difficult to manage.

>>5936731
Same. It's why I stick to drawthreads and memes. You'd think after hundreds of pictures over years it would get better.

>>5924642
Smudgeproof?

>>6021598
I feel the same way. But I don't message them to thank them for watching. It'd also be weird when I check in the morning and I've got 100 new watchers to thank.

>>5998638
>complain about people expecting compensation for doing labor
>call anybody else a jew

>>6021673
Smudgeproof charges $60 for his commissions? That's pretty insane for his skill level.

>>5934172
The only annoying thing is knowing what to reply. It doesn't really matter if it happens often or not, if it has happened enough times overall it'll always feel like you're repeating yourself like an unappreciative, emotionless robot. First compliment in a conversation is the easiest as you can simply say "Thanks!" in one form or another, but if they push on after that it gets tricky. When the flattery becomes too much I'll instinctively try to tone it down by stating I'm not actually that good. Naturally that only makes it worse and I end up feeling like a shitty attention-whore. Gets especially embarrassing in group chats with lurkers who I don't know too well.

>>6021704
???
Where did I say I was against artist being paid?

I'm just against stuff like "Oh you want simple colors, no backround and a single character? That'll be 41$"

>>5924642
> $60 for three characters in an action scene
Yeah, that's about right, you god damn communist.

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>>6021965
>I'm just against stuff like "Oh you want simple colors, no backround and a single character? That'll be 41$"
>mfw i charge even more than that for one character and a simple background and still get constant commissions

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>>5934774

>>6022101
So? That still doesn't stop you for being a kike.
Game developers get away with selling early access for years.

>>6021965
When you decided that the guy doing all the work doesn't get to decide how much the work is worth.

>>6022154
I didn't say that either, I'm literally saying it's expensive for what it is.

>>6022142
>That still doesn't stop you for being a kike.
I guess being a kike isn't so bad then.

>>6022169
Well if you're too much of a jew to afford it than that's your problem.

>>5958045
Don't do it anon, save yourself. You'll hate art, clients, people, and yourself. Also you'll be dirt poor.

>>6022297
I think I might have to make a better argument for you

>That's fine if you think it's too pricey but unless commissioners in general decide that they're too expensive, they'll remain the same.
>Besides you referenced early access, why would developers stop releasing them if it didn't drive up money? You shouldn't really be blaming the developers, you should be blaming the consumers.
>Also video games and art are different mediums and people have different expectations.

>>6022169

Artists often work for far less than the minimum wage, yet studying to become an artist can take more than becoming a brain surgeon.
If anything, the prices are far too low.

And this is kinda like some idiot looking at a iPhone or some fashion product and going "Man, those products are too expensive, I'm still going to buy one though"
Well if they're too expensive for you, then why are you looking to buy one?
It's clearly a luxury. Just like art is.
You don't get to gripe about something you don't need in your life, especially if despite your complaints you keep on throwing money at the totally useless frivolity.
Also clearly the prices are at least on an acceptable level, because other consumers keep on buying them.
You're the jew anon. You have become what you hate the most.

>>6022640
Why give a better argument when you can just call him a jew? :^)

>>6022729
Because I was shitposting which was fueled by my jealousy of artist since I can't draw.

>>5934172
I've not had any artists seem uncomfortable/awkward when I say something nice. I mean I'm commissioning them because of liking their style.

If you're commissioning them then it's best to just keep things simple, give them the details they need, and if you're going to fanboy over their art just leave it as a quick comment rather than giving them a paragraph of obsession. Just say you're a fan and that's it.

>>6023202
New thread when

>>6017031
Nigga this is atleast $600 worth of work, refund this shit immediately.