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>Artist that draws clearly sexual, but still clean art >Yet

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>Artist that draws clearly sexual, but still clean art
>Yet doesn't want to draw full-on explicit porn

What are your thoughts on them?
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>>5344760

meh.
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They piss me off and get black listed. Cheese cake is garbage.
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It's annoying, they should either commit or quit. Especially if the artist tries to say it's because of "integrity" or some shit.
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>>5344760
As one of said artists I see nothing wrong with it. Some artists like to draw porn and others like to draw cheesecake.
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>artist draws tons of huge underwear bulges
>doesn't want to draw nudity

I think it's just because he doesn't know how to draw dicks.
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>>5344760
I don't care about them
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>Rick Griffin does really good musclegirls
>virtually always cheesecake shit
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>5345118
Fuck off Rick.
Your webcomic turned to shit a long ass time ago.
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I am one. I guess it's for some degree of plausible deniability or something, I don't know.
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Hino if you are listening I want to gape and smell Commisan's cooter.
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>>5345290
What are you afraid of?
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>>5345290
Porn will always be porn but with cheesecake you can always say "I drew it because I think it's cute."
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>>5345346
personal shame, people finding my nonsexual work and misinterpreting it
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>>5345409
Why not just split it into two? One for safe work, the other for porn. Even if someone makes a connection between art styles you can always just deny it.
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I always prefer to draw cheesecake because it's more fun to make, and more aesthetically pleasing. But NSFW sells.
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>>5345479
So long as you don't draw a sense of superiority over it, you're cool in my book.
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>>5345446
not that guy but i've seen plenty of artists get stalked and have their disgusting porn outed to try and smear them

the only way to win this game is to not play it at all
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>>5345446
I did put that one up somewhere. Maybe ishould do more, I also just like to be able to show my product to other people. It's why I try to stay away from lewd usually. friends and family hear you're an artist and want to see your work. Obviously not the cheesecake, but still.

Probably should do more porn
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I think they are the bread and butter of the fandom and should be left alone, if I knew a fur near me harassed one I would slash his tires and break his windows

also once an artist gets to high-enough tier of art they should abandon pornography altogether or charge "ridiculous" amounts (~$2000 per commission, actually pretty normal for average non-furry artist)
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>>5345669
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>>5345669
You definitely sound like a faggot.
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>>5345669
(You) are a faggot
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>>5345790
>he thinks scaring off all the genuine talent is good for the fandom

i'm not the faggot here for wanting a fandom that isn't 99% shadbase-tier artists
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>>5344760
My thoughts are they're probably some kind of virgin loser and afraid to draw porn because they don't know how sex works.

Cheesecake is real half-assed.
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>>5345825
What fandom are you even blabbering on about?
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>>5345825

You are the kind of person who screams at the boyfriend of someone you've never talked to yet somehow developed feelings for in a Starbucks because he isn't treating her like she deserves by making fun of her drink choice, then runs away, cheetos dust trailing behind you as your cape like trench coat flaps in the wind.
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I personally think cheesecake is hotter than full on porn. So god bless. But in other cases I see a really really attractive character in completely clean not even suggestive art and I WANT TO SEE THEM FUCK SOMETHING

A perfect example is any character Crocstew draws
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https://discord.gg/GMjgFq4 trash talk discord
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>>5344760
It can be refreshing. I'd say Rick does it right. He has these cute little scenes with the characters just hanging out. Some nudity, but nothing that beats you over the head with it. They're nice and fun.

In contrast, Tom Fishbash does it in a way that... feels like pinups with the genitals censored. Coupled with the whole paw-fetish teasing it comes off as more... conflicting I guess would be the right word.

So yeah, it can be good or bad, depending on how it's executed.
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>>5344760
They're pussies for not wanting to draw pussies.
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Blueballing other people is my fetish
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>>5346334
So would that mean they'd never do a self-portrait?
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>>5344760
they draw porn under a different name 90% of the time
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The dilemma I face with artists like these is that their cheesecake, when drawn well, can be really sexy and appealing in their own way, but it also make me wish so bad to see it go explicit. Problem is, if that happens, there's that chance the magic would go away and the art lose its main appeal.

It'd not surprise me if artists like Rickgriffin had similar thoughts. Maybe he does wish to draw full smut, but what if he loses his fans for it? What if the novelty of seeing explicit art from him wears off and what made his art stand out vanished?
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>>5344760
Highly annoying, especially when I'm trying to commission someone. Almost everyone I want to commission won't go any further than cock-teasy cheesecake and it sucks.
>Pic related will never go lewd
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You kinda get desensitized from porn and it's nothing special anymore. Artists who don't do porn are fine, but if they can make a lewd or suggestive piece that looks pleasing to the eye than they are better off.
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>>5346725
Does Rick do it?
He draws amazing girls for sure.
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>>5344760
Wonderful.

A well-done tease is as hot as explicit porn.
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>>5348078
A STRIP-TEASE IS NOT PORN!
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>>5344760
The problem I have with Rick Griffin isn't that he draws cheesecake instead of porn, but rather that he has such blatant fetish bait with his characters in his comic exist in a world without pants. It's pretty Twokinds-ish in the "this is basically porn even though it's not" kind of way.

I love my cheesecake, although I prefer for my cheesecake to know that it's cheesecake instead of doing the whole magical realm thing.

I still like Griffin's art though and I like his cheesecake.
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>>5346251
People love to be teased and titillated. Leaving a little bit to the imagination makes them engage with the fantasy more, and use their own imagination to think about what they want. The creative and deductive parts of the brain gets engaged, not just the primitive mating urges.
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artist never gives away free shit
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>>5349427
What? Which fetish is Rick teasing? I mean... aside for public nudity.
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I never post lewd I draw.
To my grave it goes.
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>>5345346
that pic looks oddly familiar
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>>5344760
I really like solo nudes and cheesecake. Not everything needs to be intense penetration with fluids squirting out of every orifice, but that is good every once in a while. I like the details to be left to imagination, it is much more satisfying.
Full-on porn might be easier to consume and arouse, and some people prefer that, so I don't judge.

As far as creating goes, I also prefer nudes and cheesecake. You can really experiment with posing, movement, clothing and whatnot. With porn, yeah, you have the whole Kama-sutra at your disposal, but man, it does take some brainpower to make sure the poses, perspective and anatomy are on point. It can become really hard and boring to draw.
Or maybe that's just me being shit and lazy.
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FUCK THE TERM "CHEESECAKE"

>CHEESECAKE
>CHEESECAKE
>CHEESECAKE

WHAT THE FUCK, THIS IS THE MOST CANCEROUS TERM EVER. IT'S LIKE ACTUALLY REINFORCING THE IDEA OF SEXUALITY BEING BAD
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It's fine when it's just what they enjoy drawing and feel that it suits them.

It's not fine when they're incredibly smug and self righteous about it, parading it around as some sort of moral fiber.
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>>5351776
Isn't cheesecake an old-ass term, though?
But now that you mention it, yeah, I have never seen it being used that much until now.
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>>5351530
its from the gameboy camera game
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>>5344760
>tfw want to know more about the character in OP's picture but that's probably just a fucking pin-up
I want characters, not dolls...
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>>5351656
At least get that pussy and asshole in my face and spread it. I don't like PIV either but... I want to at least see something other than a smooth barbie crotch and blue ball bait. the fuck outta here with clothing and 1 pixel aliased slit labia boring garbo. Your tastes are shit and I will judge you for them.

>>5351776
There has been a huge asexuality movement in the wake of the tranny shit in furry porn. I hate it. We went from having a fandom full of great artists/animators/cartoonists that drew real fur, to winger, then furaffinity Adam Wan generic smooth "fur" bullshit that still makes up most of the porn, to trannies/gay $1325 dog cocks/futa-winger 2.0 shit, and now asexuality and other meme gender garbage. It's getting weird out here.

Some middle ground would be nice.
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>>5344760
I see no problem with that

I don't need an explicit portrayal of genitalia to enjoy a picture or even to masturbate to it
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>>5344760
This is what edit thread was made for
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>>5351962
Rick Griffin actually does write a bit but it's mostly fetish cocktease
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>>5351656
i'm not turned on by the act of sex at all. i just stick to nudes because i like looking. seeing the penis enter the vagina does nothing for me visually
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>>5352060
You see mang, some people can appreciate something that isn't explicit, to them it isn't blue-ball bait, that is the good stuff, I'm more a fan of solo nudity, but hey I can see the appeal of things that show even less. And I can certainly get turned on by things that show more.
And as far as explicit goes, there is plenty of artists that do that stuff. It's not like artists are slowly converting into purists or something.
I don't see how nudity isn't erotic, unless someone is overexposed or desensitized to porn.

>>5352446
I see. It is true, that nudes have more chance to be beautiful.
To me, I'm turned on by the sexual acts, but I sometimes prefer nudes because it drives me to imagine the tactile sensations, smells and sometimes sounds. It becomes very vivid.
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>>5344760
I just prefer straight up sex cause, as sexy and arousing solo nudes and cocktease art can be, in the end most sexual acts end with fucking, sucking and etc. More of a "cut to the chase" kind of guy, I guess. Seeing cheesecake can be pretty and sexy on its own, but almost always leaves me with a "sooo, that's it?" kind of feeling.
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>i actually prefer "cheesecake"/pinup/non-sexual nude stuff when it comes to fap material
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>talented clean artist starts drawing lewd
>lots of lewd
>its amazing as their clean art
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>>5352060
>We went from having a fandom full of great artists/animators/cartoonists that drew real fur, to winger, then furaffinity Adam Wan generic smooth "fur" bullshit that still makes up most of the porn, to trannies/gay $1325 dog cocks/futa-winger 2.0 shit
I have no idea what any of this means, but I want to know what it means.
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>>5357786
Seems to me like anon is just having a "back in MY days" moment.
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>>5358360
But those are the best stories.

I actually got into furry with stuff like Fur After Dark, Club Stripes, etc. Just very cartoony and bubblegum looking in general.

I'm curious to know about vintage furry and how it came to what we have today.
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>>5344760
I forgive him because he seems like a cool dude, and draws muscle-ladies and my favorite space cat.
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>>5358486
Not him, but most 90's fur sucked balls. There are many more talented artists, these days. Of course, the smoothfur ones are inexplicably popular. Not that Adam Wan is one. He's just ridiculously bad in his own way.

The only oldfag I know who drew furry furries is Hardiman, and he wasn't the best, either. Still a shame he died, because he was just getting good.

Sounds like nostalgia goggles to me. Though, I suppose modern art software makes it buckets easier to do smoothfur. Not really a fan of it, either.
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>>5358486
It was terrible. 95% of artists didn't know how to draw at all and the fursuits were literally just bodypaint or if you were lucky, a painted scuba suit. You talked to other furries primarily via IRC. There was no e621 either, want to look for something in particular? Tough shit, maybe there's a guy on VCL who primarily does something that interests you... if you can find him that is. Better hit up that IRC and ask around.
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>>5345571

that bulge is more sexual and embarassing than a tasteful nude.

why do you think old statues have small penises instead of jockstraps?

you can always draw sex all passionate and lovey dovey and shit if you want to be taken seriously, lots of kissing and nipples flashing and nostalgia bait songs, normies eat that shit up.
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>>5358744
>>5358603

i agree with both these anons.

90's furry was just very boring and limited, almost everyone drew absolutely hideous faces and very stiff, 80's calendar model bodies. It was a pitiful display of masculinity from insecure people that weren't actually sexually liberated either.
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what does cheesecake mean?
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>>5360165
basically clean or otherwise non pornographic images of various characters that are meant to titillate, but not be completely lewd

pis related. while its not lewd per se, we have a few things that would turn on most furries, but its otherwise considered sfw
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>>5360549

when it deals with males it's called "beefcake"
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>>5344760
Whatever helps ya sleep at night is all good.
>and every so often that kind of art is better than any explicit porn out there
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>>5344760
They do draw explicit, they just don't share it publicly. If they say otherwise, they're lying.
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>>5345290
>>5345409
>>5345571
where can i go to see more and why hasn't this person made a porn game yet
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rick griffin did at once draw porn, but than abruptly for no reason got really religious and now is playing charades and sweating bullets.
Ironically he doesn't understand the concept of give a little, than a little more. Like you can't just tease the audience for so long and than not commit to that tease with at least a real pin up.
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>>5344760

It's not really anyone's call but theirs if they want to draw that sort of thing. Your tastes don't enter into the equation outside of your decision to look at their work (or commission them).

If that's what they want to draw, who are you to judge?
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>>5356768

I actually prefer softcore porn/cheesecake stuff like Danni Ashe videos to hardcore porn.

I mean, hey, not gonna say no to hardcore, but I grew up on softcore, and it's what I prefer.
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>>5347150
What? Isn't that Gnashley? There's totally porn of that character.
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>>5359972
>why do you think old statues have small penises instead of jockstraps?

Because they are rooted in Greco-Roman style, in which the ideal male form has a tiny dick. Though, that does have to do with Greco-Roman ideals of modesty. Whenever not depicting the ideal form, the Romans weren't shy about slapping massive dicks on everything. That, in turn, they believed warded off the Evil Eye.

So that's what you can tell people when you're drawing giant dicks on something in the future.
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>>5352203
What fetish? I don't think that word means what you think it means. Do you mean he's teasing situations where there is a potential for generally sexual situations? Because that's just teasing.
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>>5357444
Noben?

I remember the moment I saw his webcomic I thought... "This guy needs to draw these dragon things in lewd situations." Took him a while to do it, but in the end he did, and all was well.

Fuck me, none of his art is on e621. I can't find my example pic. Ah, I'll find it later tonight.
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>>5344760
If that's the only thing they do, i don't bother following. There are plenty of artists who do both that can satisfy me.
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>>5358510
Pretty sure Plague drew lewds too. He just kept it for himself on his weird farm.
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>>5366919
Yeah, I've never seen them. Keep hearing he used to do it, but doesn't anymore. Maybe he wants to work in animation some day? I don't know. Kind of wish he did lewds, but his cheesecake is fine, too.
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>>5366966
Search 34from1800
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't "cheesecake/beefcake", "softcore" and "ecchi" all mean the same thing?
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>>5365639
WHERE?!?!
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>>5366887
>What fetish?
Muscle girls/tomboys/dominant females

It's not an erotic fiction or implied to be one but it's very, -very- clear that the focus is not the story
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>>5367675
Nowhere, I've just seen you complain about this shit in like a dozen different threads since I started going to /trash/ because you're a whiny bitch. Stay salty. ;^)
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>>5366904
Nah I'm talking analon. It's pretty lucky he's bi, seemed he had something for everyone.

I hope he starts drawing again soon
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>>5344760
Somewhat related, for some reason Vader-san refuses to draw his best character in nudity whatsoever, and gets offended if you ever inquire as to why.

This image is the only image he has ever done of her in the nude, the rest are edits by other people. It was locked behind his Patreon.
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>>5368618

I never understood why people go so crazy over this artist or that lizard, the design of all of his characters just feels off to me.
Something about the eye placement or the design of the head that feels slightly fucked with nearly all of his creations.

Then again maybe it's the factor that the artist doesn't draw nudes of this lizard, so people are drawn to it.
Because that's the point that basically everyone always brings up when they post that girl.
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>>5368702
I think she has a very nice design to be honest, and it really is odd that he will draw plenty of nudity of any other character but her
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>>5368807
Maybe she's one of those "special cases" artists feel too emotionally attached to, almost to the point of treating as real living beings with real dignity.

Kind of like how Eric Schwartz is with Sabrina.
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>>5369333
Perhaps, although if that was the case I wish he'd draw more of her regardless of whether she was nude or not
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>artist abandons drawing porn
>still draws all-but-explicit pinups, complete with dick bulges
>but most of their output is just vore

Also, people asking what Rick's fetishes are as if it isn't plainly obvious from a brief glance at just some of his work.
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>>5369633
... foot fetish? size difference? femdom?
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>>5370321
Those and casual nudity
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>>5369633
>>5370321
>>5370474
Man, there's something that's much more sleazy about an artist pretending to be drawing non-porn but it being obvious fetish bait. Just be honest, for fuck's sake.
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>>5344760
I'm okay with that. Sometimes less is more.
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>>5344760
I don't care, I'm not an entitled faggot.
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>>5374630
just a plain one, kek
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>>5368702
I actually get what you're saying. But I still love the character to bits.

I think it's because the first pic he drew of her had such a joyful look to her. It exuded an abnormal amount of happiness. And the fans have been riding that high ever since, favoriting and praising all of the subsequent pics he draws of her. Vader-san sees all of the upvotes and praise and probably figures, hey, might as well keep giving the people what they want.
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>>5369633
But foot fetish isn't Rick's fetish. It's his best friend Karishad's fetish. IIRC, Rick just likes muscley busty girls, size difference, and hot dudes.
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This thread needs more cheesecake.
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>>5376277
Speaking of, weren't a lot of people suspecting that Rick is closet bi?
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>>5366904
Found it.
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>>5377815
He's kind of admitted to it at this point. He basically said he's adopting a "if it feels good do it" mentality. And if it conflicts with his religious upbringing, fuck it.

I'm paraphrasing tremendously, but that's the gist of it.
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>>5379314
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oh god what is going on with the anatomy on the right one.
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>>5344760

So, Housepets! and TwoKinds. Who else are we speaking of? Well, maybe Housepets isn't clearly sexual, but those book covers tho.
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Quite often, when people who draw good suggestive art don't draw anything explicit, it's simply because they're bad at drawing genitals. I don't have any examples right now (because they weren't worth saving), but quite a few times when one of those artists has caved in and gone explicit, the result has been an external bulb with a slit on top of an otherwise normal body, occasionally close to the navel or extending backwards past the buttocks.
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>>5377815
>>5378014
He outright said in a journal that he's bi. He is firmly out of the closet. He's introduced more gay characters into his Housepets comic: two gay roos and a gay ferret.
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>>5345290
What is this?
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>>5384421

From seeing just that post, I thought you were talking about Jay Naylor...
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No edtropolis? It's practically his calling card.
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>>5384864
>desert
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>>5384864
See this is the kind of shit that pisses me off.
Not because of the cheesecake, but because the artist has such a "Teehee sooo naughty~~ X3 rawr" attitude about it.
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>>5385169
100% agreed
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>>5351429
Definitely not foot/paw fetish stuff, that's for sure.
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>>5385709
I don't know what you're implying here anon, just some innocent and harmless funny animal people like in the Disney films.
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>>5385775
Source please, I love big dog girls.
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>>5385871
It's Rick Griffin's work but I'm not sure from where. The fact it's a sketch and not a colored illustration like his usual leads me to believe it's from his Tumblr or somewhere.
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>>5344760
Well I can't really fap to half-attempts and not porn so I just don't care, just keep on looking for actual good stuff.
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>>5384864
Pointless "for teh lulz" censorship is billion time worse than doing it as a paywall.
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>>5384435
Housepets is lewd?
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>>5397112
Rarely

There's an edit of the wolf mom coming to wrap King in a blanket and she humps him as he gets incredibly bashful and holy goddam did I never stop having mother-son fantasies after that masturbation binge
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>>5397188
post it dummy
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>Artist will never draw porn again
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>>5344760
I'm fine with simple nudity tbqh. It doesn't have to be hardcore fucking all the time.
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>>5344760
FUCKING TEASES
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>>5397251
It flicked a switch in my head I swear
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>>5398388
Original?
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>>5398430
Well that's a well done edit, og in somewhere in the archives of Housepets! that I'd rather not look for
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>>5398732
What a weird dog.
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>>5398732
is housepets still readable/worth checking out? I mean don't get me wrong, no fucking way in the seven nations army I'm going to catch up to a near 10 year old anything, just wondering if it's past the point if it being tedious shit.
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>>5399076
Honestly, I never minded the magic sections but that was a time when I thought having taste made life boring.

But as a modern man;

In the sections I've began to catch up on Rick has raised the bar of his art and kept it looking nice throughout his days.

The story itself is just a mainstream tv show with an infinite budget. A massive cast of characters that goes through their wacky arcs with little developments happening here and there. ( ie Fido coming out)

The comic has absolutely gave way to a long period of "This is MY passion project" where Rick's care of world building is out the window concerning magic restraint, and sadly this carelessness makes the reader feel apathetic trudging through the thousands of pages online whenever a magic arc occurs.

If you like a group of characters (I would die for King) and are attracted/attached to them the comic will keep you entertained as Rick is a very very careful writer who genuinely puts thought into his writing (even if it seems terse in professionalism on occasion)

Frankly, I'm biased as anyone else is, but I give it 2.5/4 Roger Ebert stars for being a furry webcomic that is cute, stylized, oddly sfw throughout the entirety of its pages and for it being longer than anyone asked for it to be.
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>>5397549
> Artist will never finish his mango.
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>>5399076
Don't listen to the other guy.
First half is fun, second half is not.
First half has bad art, second half has good art.
The first half being good is slowly diminishing as Rick keeps putting up more shit work.
The only people to enjoy anything past the first half are diehard furry faggot fans.
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>>5402420
That's weird. How did that happen?
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>>5402420
> keeps putting up more shit work

You mean the stuff he does outside of the comic? Why would that have any bearing on the comic?
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non explicit art outlasts porn every time

people will remember clean art for decades from now, nobody will remember some MLP doughnut piece
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>>5402584
wrong
i still remember that one gilda pic and that one 5k image of equalpone ass
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