What does /trash/ think about Chiptunes? https://maxoisnuts

And a one bump to goodnight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HilMAEYv774

does this count it's all i know

is nice

>>5193532
Depends on the artist and track.

Some manage to do shit that works with the medium and others just force it making mediocre shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Szu1v3GLs

>>5193532
DUB-DUB-DUBMOOD

>>5193989
Oh yeah definitely. I've downloaded the whole 8bc archive and probably a good 85% of it has been bad. It did introduce me to the artist in the OP though so there's that.
>>5193816
It counts, but fuck that theme song.

Who /anamanaguchi/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDWXD7TTU7s

>>5193532
If it's not made/recorded using a real chip, it isn't a chiptune. It's just some VST synth crap.

bumpo

I've heard this guy described as Chiptune. I'm not sure if that's right, but either way I love his stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqJfqIwpXZ8

Also chipzel is a classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6atL8AwzKc

>>5204529
That's more EDM than chiptune.
This song done by the same guy is more in line with chiptune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlAQ8fdqoFA

>>5193532
That's not even a chiptune m8. Just a bunch of random synth sounds.

>>5204529
Both songs are way too processed to be chiptunes. Lots of uncharacteristic tones, filters and effects.

>>5207604
So, I might be out of the loop on what people call a "chiptune" nowadays but there's no way that's a chiptune. There's sampled drums, an (awful sounding) synthesized distorted guitar and synth Aahs all over the song. Only the lead melody line can be considered a chip sound but even then it sounds more like a regular synth.

>but what really is a chiptune

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Alright time to blow some fuckin' minds with some Danimal Cannon. Best chiptune artist right here, and it's all "real" chiptune. He composes all of it on two "grey brick" Game Boys.

Here's his debut album, the most varied and experimental, but altogether very progressive-metal-y.

https://danimalcannon.bandcamp.com/album/roots

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Second album. Much, much heavier stuff but still solid-gold.

https://danimalcannon.bandcamp.com/album/parallel-processing

>>5207662
I'd say the second one is mostly chiptune, the drums being the only exception.

I've pulled some sounds similar to the lead voice out of lsdj.

>>5207896
I'd say there's two kinds of chiptune nowadays.

the first type is true chiptune, either written within the limitations of old hardware of the authors choice (SID, NES, Gameboy, etc), or actually made and played on real hardware.

The second type is chip leads blended with real instruments and/or synths. This often takes elements and stylistic cues from true chiptune, like using arpeggios instead of chords, but generally winds up with several EDM elements mixed in.

Anyone here like lukhash?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVtJGobSZKM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JQkW6BgUYU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TTnTu3ql_g

>>5203911
>if it's not with gameboys then it's not rap chiptune

Why ya gotta be like that

>>5213865
There's nothing wrong with fakebit, but don't go around calling everything with pulse waves and fast arps chiptune.

>>5195273
Like me some dubmood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11yewfkUSQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiY9OJXDCTM

>>5203911
So even something like FamiTracker, which emulates the NES's soundchip with 99% accuracy, and even lets you export the song as a ROM file that can be played in an emulator or put on a flashcart, isn't real chiptune?

posting top-tier chiptune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAkc63WOwuw

>>5213865
>>5214850
It was just a free bump shitpost.

To be honest, I just feel like the term "chiptune" has lost it's original meaning and got cheapened or genericized by slapping it willy-nilly into anything with a couple seconds "8-bit" sounding melody loop.


Have a bump with content this time.
Warez Waldo rocking the OPL3 sound chip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et0-G6QKlDo

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>>5193532
8BC was the shit back in the day. Shame it died of negligence/contempt/incompetence from the site owner.
Glad to see the 8BC archive back up. Tried to add stuff there that I'd saved from 8BC but I can't get to grips with ftp. Sent the guy a zip file instead but... eh.
Spent a bit of time browsing uCollective afterwards but got bored of it all after two years.

This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8C8vGRlxZM is probably the most impressive chiptune song I've come across. I originally didn't believe it to be but I've got the nsf file of it and, according to its settings, it can (theoretically) run on a Konami VRC6 chip

I have tried messing about with Famitracker myself but getting things to sound like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xjhXUkwi0 is well beyond me.
Famitracker: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1BgmMKK7vzi
Beepola: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0XyvIq8HYCu

Some five of my favourite (totally not) chiptune pieces (seeing how the thread here's going):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtSl6YZVn58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlY4WL5yCzo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPom3eLpTCM (made using LSDJ on two gameboys)
https://soundcloud.com/yes-pizza/striped-cat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwa9lvxixzY

Anyone here follow the HVSC?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk34qFAR5rI

>>5216065
>made using LSDJ on two gameboys
Man, there should've been some games on the GameBoy where linking up through Multiplayer enhanced the music by using the audio channels of both systems for different purposes. Before the game started it'd say "Crank the volume!" and tell you to stand/sit beside each other so you'd hear it properly.

That would've been so fucking awesome. Why did nobody back then think of that?

>>5216406
Because gameboys were quite expensive back then to actually own two just to seldom use the second one, not to mention that you'd have to burn a bunch of cash on packs of 4 AA batteries.
Also, before pokemon showed up 9 years later, the link cable was something you used once or twice to play tetris with some friend and then promptly misplaced because of the lack of use.

>>5216406
That's a really interesting idea.

I was going to say that bandwidth would be a problem, but then I realized that both copies would have the complete score, so they could just send a sync and ack command. The link cable let's them share the same clk anyways.

I'm going to go with either no one though of it or no one wanted to make 2 scores for game when the majority of players would only hear the simple one.

>>5214850
99% accurate means nothing when you fuck it up with low dynamic range mastering. Raw chip output or GTFO. It's not like the original hardware was all that high dynamic range in the first place.

>>5216605
>>5216784
What about in the GBC era? I remember practically everyone who was cool had a GB or a GBC at that point, and starting around 1999 soundtracks for the system (especially western soundtracks) started getting very advanced, even for relatively obscure games.

>>5216890
Can't tell if bait or actual autism

What do you think about chiptune covers?
I know two good albums with a NES chiptune cover: The Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd and Scenes from a Memory by Dream Theater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euLdKW_Db1k&list=PLT7o15zGorV2I1ueFjQ0L9aWXqiWfPvfT
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuZTYgtqCBtWXOPimThjb94w4a1mPoZwZ

By the way, Tim Follin is best composer and Ninja Gaiden 2 is best soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Hsyo7lmQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI0qthnUOvQ

>all these people linking shit I probably haven't heard yet
Can't wait to get home and judge you all for having the best taste

>>5217863
>Ninja Gaiden 2 is best soundtrack
Holy fucking shit m8, the snow stage soundtrack from Ninja Gaiden 2 is forever ingrained in my mind and subconscious. I spent hours to no end trying to beat that stage back in 1990 when I was 5. It's been 26 years and I still hear it playing from time to time on my mind. It's something that I'll never forget.

It starts at 5:30 on the video you linked.

>>5193816
The fucking flash game memories are coming back

>>5218143
It's pretty ahead of it's time as far as electronic music goes.

>>5218274
What flash game?

>>5219247
pokehidden's.

Did somebody say flash games?
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/587905

And more flash games:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/510303
http://askiisoft.com/games/tower-of-heaven/

>>5215565
I thought that's what chiptune was. If it's 8-bit music it counts. Is that not right?

>>5219646
I meant it as slapping a generic 5 second chip sounding loop into a run-of-the-mill EDM song and then calling the whole thing a chiptune is what it's making the term "chiptune" feel more cheap and generic and distancing it from it's original roots.

snappy ol' bump

>>5213699
Very nice.

>>5213836
>>5213865
Chipzel's ok. Definitely not my favorite though. Dubmood is very similar, except just a little less good.

>>5215005
Never heard of this game, but that's some dope music.

>>5215565
I don't mind chiptune melody over EDM honestly. The more chip in the underlying EDM though, the better. That said, that video is badass.

>>5216065
>Love is Insecurable
10/10 I've actually heard this one before I think. As for the rest of the links, I forgot how amazing Smiletron's stuff was. Anamanaguchi great as always--the shit is that album art though.

>>5217863
Chiptune covers are badass. My favorites tend to be on the heavier side of Prog Metal though.

Pretty damn funny that the Pictionary title theme is so cool.

I remember finding this channel years ago for some Earthbound review. Didn't realize until way later that he had this playlist. Some pretty good shit in there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xThmtQUgfvM&list=PL-ak-oNNRK_ucbdy0EzsKM6Ivr9DG8NjM

Bleep boop

Knuckle Joe, Disasterpeace, Falco Lombardi (now We Are the Future), and Dr. Slizska are all pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndIG9W08H3I

>>5216065
Can you post the NSF file for Love is Insecurable? I can't find it anywhere.

so what's keygen then?

>>5230793
Keygen is more demoscene like.

It's kinda but not really a sub genre.

>>5230276
http://midr2.under.jp/compo/vol8/home.html
Link at the top is where I got it from.
It's number 21 in the Original folder.

>>5217863
>Chiptune covers
Da chip, anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUREH4HWQWM&list=PL_3RUNGygfLp66KLPkfP-Wxri6AEPizLF

>>5219247
BFEQD

banned from equestria daily

(he finished it a few yrs ago)

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>>5193532
>People have completely stopped ripping new GBS, HES, and MSX VGMs files
>Many existing rips are broken or missing songs

>>5233478
That's a true travesty right there.

>>5233085
Heck yeah, I had that downloaded onto my DSi back in 2008.

Saving bump go!

Goodnight bump. Will post some of my favorites if we're still alive in the morning.

>>5244166
Gonna bump the thread because dubs anon did not deliver like he promised
Mods are bitches

>>5193532
What are the chances you're in a music class OP?

Postan Virt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SUlW4K4hPo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYjvikkw-38

>>5250404
And Ottofantan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ2PjbKfpvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdxY-C0FJ6o

>>5250423
Turok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTfKxMQJWzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlhneiLIuM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ-LNuyVHkA

>>5246778
I slept hard and then woke up with a huge headache. Sorry.

I drive to this regularly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8StVeKaIzyo
I guess not all this guy's shit is on YouTube? Here's one of his that I like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iabrhTFidI
Bunch of others I guess
http://music.disasterpeace.com/album/cereal-code-ep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwGTNJJd8bo

... Huh there's a lotta shit in my iTunes that can only be found at http://brkbrkbrk.com/8bcdump/?id3=true

That thing is a fuckin mess though, TON of garbage in there. I see maybe 200 or so of the 1500 that I've listened to that I actually liked. Anyone else ever try going through it?

>>5249612
I took Music Theory three years ago, and then 3 semesters of Piano classes afterwards before giving up. I was doing fine, but my depression was getting worse and I stopped wanting to play piano.

>>5217863
>Tim Follin is best composer
yep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHLOEAn5JTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_gObHt1uZA

>>5253359
Manfred Linzner is also really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9GZUPAYANkhttps://youtu.be/c9GZUPAYANk?t=3m0s

Do you guys listen to She

>>5254667
funny how all the amazing vgm composers get stuck with average to shit games to work with

>>5257445
What about the guy who worked on the music for Ducktales remastered?

>No one has posted this yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhZBDNQ3gas

bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYSYJ60ROeA

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can some tell me why do people like this because i really want to kown???

>>5261951
That's virt, and he's worked on plenty of mediocre games.

>>5266830
It's just different taste in music
Everyone has that

Chiptune is incredibly upbeat when it can be and can hit any kind of genre pretty well

Nostalgia too

Here's a pretty good mix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb-RwRC5ir8

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>>5195273
>>5214554

I always like this one

https://soundcloud.com/piceon/pice-europa

>>5256573
She

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsN6M4gUhuU

>>5270164
For you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWe7X88Vbys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-lPrWLzGSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKJlkpdfe9g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBtzZvS0Hn0

>>5266834
>mediocre

That is bullshit and you know it. And I'm not just talking about his material in WayForwatd games either.

>>5277621
He's saying the games are mediocre, not Virt's music.

>>5279434
what mediocre game has Virt worked on?

>>5279434
>>5266834
>Shantae
>Mighty Flip Champs
>Mighty Milky Way
>Mighty Switch Force
>Double Dragon Neon
>Shovel Knight
>Crypt of the Necrodancer
>MEDIOCRE

/trash/ really has gone to shit

>>5280786
>HUR DUR, The best games he's worked on are mediocre!

This is where I point out that he's also done gems such as:
M&M's: Minis Madness GBC
Uno 52
Skip-bo
Lionel Trains: On Track DS
Uno Freefall
David Beckham Soccer
Miami Nights: Singles in the City DS

Which really are bad.

>>5282443
don't be dumb

>>5283277
Are you saying that if someone works on any good games than it instantly invalidates anything bad they've contributed to?

I'm not bashing on Virt, he's one of my favorite composers, but it's a lie to say that he hasn't done soundtracks for plenty of mediocre games.

OP, don't hurt me, no more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzEWjPlLAKA

>>5287155
Got sick of that song years ago.

Any love for Purple Motion here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXKGIeVNhSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5MbSy0oREI

>Page ten
Uhh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgI_Zu9JfM4

Chiptune is fantastic, and the Megaman classic series is the king of chiptune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TELSbAMwUSQ

>>5282443
I'm waiting for the list of bad games :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzlWoSLHj3Q

>>5297084
Half of those have a review score of 2/10 or less.

Get some standards.

>>5300330
>implying
why don;t you get your head out of your ass and give me some games that ARE bad you faggot

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>>5307281

>>5193532
>Maxo

Does anybody have Maxo's 8Bit people stuff? I can't find a track called "Fuck space, we're goin' undaground" in his bandcamp or youtube and I remember it was in his 8bp page before shit went down.

Bumping with some stuff

Aurea https://aurea.bandcamp.com/album/dusk-project
Fearofdark (Tracker stuff) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00vYncpl0pk
HertzDevil http://battleofthebits.bandcamp.com/track/blueshift-galaxy
little-scale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Ix_x0-7-g

beep

>>5312927
>I can't find a track called "Fuck space, we're goin' undaground" in his bandcamp or youtube and I remember it was in his 8bp page before shit went down
>I remember it was in his 8bp page
All hail 2xAA for maintaining the 8BC archive!
http://brkbrkbrk.com/8bcdump/FUCK%20SPACE%2C%20WE%27RE%20GOIN%20UNDAGROUND%201.mp3

Boop

>>5193532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US0ZIKrt3Lc

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>>5314349
Aw shiet nigga
Thanks a lot m8

We seem to have run out of steam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xflkF-sqNaM

>>5325989
Stop just bumping and post something.

Actually, let's get a discussion going so we have something to talk about.

What is it that you guys like about chiptune?

I personally like the fast upbeat tempo, and can't get enough of songs that have a rich pwm bassline, especially if it's got a duty cycle of 25% or less.

>>5327722

I like the "voice" that chiptune has. Just the way it sounds, really. To me, it's not so much a genre as much as it's just a style. An instrument, even. You can make chiptune EDM, chiptune progressive metal, chiptune dance, chiptune dubstep, chiptune pirate metal, chiptune soft rock, alternative, hip hop, everything.

It's all about the voice to me. I just like the chip sound.

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>>5327722
I like it because I just do

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>>5327722
Well, I guess it's because I much prefer instrumentals over songs.
In chiptune, the song is a rare breed because it's almost impossible to do on the original hardware (you could possibly try to get simple lyrics on the DCPM channels...?).
That and I like free stuff. E.g: 8bc, noisechannel, uCollective, etc.
And also its connection to retro vidya and vidya in general.

What I want to ask is how do you make it and how do you make it well?
How did they do it in the 80's when computers would've been a pain in the ass to use for music-making?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCcJnffie48

>>5193532
I like that iichan board which is basically just chiptunes/modules

>>5333821
>What I want to ask is how do you make it and how do you make it well?
>How did they do it in the 80's when computers would've been a pain in the ass to use for music-making?

There's two way's really. You can either use a tracker, or you can write a score and then transcribe that into code.

In a tracker, you write 16 beat chunks, which can then be strung together to make loops.
Loops are then used to make the complete songs.

This makes for a simple and small data structure.
Because of that, trackers don't require too much processing power since all they do is read a few kilobytes of text and then transcribe that data for the sound chip.

A single note might look like C4 8 3, which means C in the 4th octave, held for 8 beats, at a volume of 3.
The data for what that voice sounds like would be stored in a similar way.

>>5334450
Thanks for the in depth analysis.

>>5337074
You're welcome!

Unfortunately, despite all my knowledge and skills with trackers, I can't write a song for the life of me.

>>5334450
That's not quite what I intended with the question and I admit I was very vague with it anyway.
I was thinking more about what trackers and other software I could use to make chiptune: at the moment, I have FamiTracker (and Org/PXTones from Cave Story) and could do with more... sort of.

On top of that, I was wondering how to make good-sounding instruments on them: I've always struggled making decent-sounding drums.
I guess the best option would be to look over the examples: having briefly nosied through them, I noticed they have some tricks I hadn't considered before (e.g: bit of arpeggiation, mess-about with the duty cycles (still don't know what they do), bass and snare hits accentuated with triangle channel, etc).

As for my latter question, you did bring some insight to it although I'm guessing that the software wasn't nearly as powerful as what you'd find today.

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>>5340657
Duty cycles are how long the signal is on per cycle.
At 50% the signal is on for half of the cycle, at 12.5%, the sound is only active for 1/8 of the cycle.
As a rule, duty cycles generally sound symmetric around 50%, meaning that 25% should sound the same as 75%
Also, for drums, a lot of the sound is in the envelope, as in ASDR (Attack, Sustain, Delay, Release.)

>although I'm guessing that the software wasn't nearly as powerful as what you'd find today.
To an extent, but at the core, a tracker and Fruity Loops aren't so different.
You use the same basic elements (envelopes, filters, effects), but modern apps like Fruity Loops are capable of running more voices and effects at once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PUawMKzF-I

>>5327722
OP here, wow this thread's still alive. Good shit guys.

I like chiptunes because they're so widely varied in tone and emotion. The only other genre I get that from is prog metal, but "upbeat" isn't something I enjoy too often there. Spacey music has helped me escape reality better than anything else in my life, and something about chiptunes just remind me of vast abyssal voids where only thoughts exist.

Also, nostalgia. Golden Axe soundtrack was so cool to me when I was a kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWlWVbHPb2A

>>5352273
Holy shit, Interobang Pie! I thought that stuff was gone forever.

>>5355550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtSl6YZVn58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDwQ29-NN18

>>5355577
I'm digging this, gotta add it to my chill playlist.

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>>5355577
nice trips and dubs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1xWqfsWDNQ

I love it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SolqUNbyKw

/trash/ needs more music threads. once this one dies, i'll create a trash music general /tmg/.

also, i doubt this counts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaJbl5d4zFI

Don't die

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp7GsRKLmJs

protect

Anyone here know any good SID players?

Like half of them are no longer on the web.

>>5381424
I wouldn't call it good but I've got DeliPlayer. Completely forgot I had it.
Tried it just now and I'm only getting music in the right channel.

>>5385004
I use SIDplayer, which works pretty well, with the exception of the fact that it carshes every thrid time you launch it.

It seems to eat up a ton of ram temporarily on launch.

What's a good program to make chiptunes with?

>>5393356
Whatever you want really.

On a gameboy, LSDJ is pretty good, although with a steep learning curve.
Goattracker can export songs for playback on an actual C64.
Schismtracker is pretty good for .MOD files.
Famitracker is the go to for NES+VRC6 emulation.

For anything not on real retro hardware, Fruity Loops or Garageband work pretty good.
There's a VST plugin for them called "Magical 8bit Plug" which gives you all 5 primitive waveforms for you to use in making chiptune voices.

Another good VST that I use is "TAL-ELEC7RO" which is a general purpose modular synth.
With the right settings it can give of a real SID like sound.

The real key to a good chiptune track is to work withing limits and push them.

Limits that most soundchips have are things like
>3-4 monophonic voices
>limited effects allowed on each voice
>only so many different waveforms allowed (Gameboy is 2 pulse, one wav, one white noise, NES was 2 square, one triangle, a white noise, and one DCM)

>>5394609
Oh wow, this was a more detailed response than what I was expecting, thanks!

http://www.polygon.com/2016/8/26/12662402/undertale-vinyl-adds-chiptune-goodness-to-your-record-collection

bump'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAnFLgThTgo

Page 10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1_6mypxZTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEp6GFqSgDY

>>5394609
FamiTracker is GOAT. You mentioned VRC6 but it actually supports every known Famicom soundchip up to this point, and lets you export songs as ROM files to play on an actual Famicom/NES (though you can't use expansion sound on an American/European NES, on those you're stuck with the stock 2A03).

>>5424374
How do people learn this?

Not just yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDr2_VyYUdk

Disasterpeace is so fucking good

>>5428580
Learn what?

How to write songs on it?

Or the reverse engineering of the soundchips?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NejWV3fy1w

bump;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk3tXQzCeJA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFoKGo0LwlM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMvo68V31nQ

Anyone have any favorite chiptune artists?

I'm a fan of Shirobon, Dubmood, and Virt.

>>5453918
I never heard of those first 2, might give them a look

>>5453918
Disasterpeace, Smiletron, Knuckle Joe, Dr. Slizska. Rest of my favorites are chiptune hybrid artists or w/e you'd call em

>>5453918
9 bit records was a nice group while they lasted.

Boop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBVoONryE3s

>>5453918
skaven, purple motion, all the future crew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gx2TAYkIIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjHNPzv9sGY

>>5463186
oh yeah, alexander brandon did one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoF3Brltrm8