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Link to Shane's Letter explaining his departure that started all this

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-H0KuOwKFYwZTJxbXg0SG5CTEE/view

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2nd for Yang.

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tfw all RWBY related shit is permanently fucked

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>>2815278
I'm okay with this.

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>Let me add that the Yang vs Adam fight was looking beyond badass. Monty was using a Linkin Park song as the soundtrack to animate it to. I was told that they would just find some other place for it down the road. But I know that when they eventually make the switch to Maya, everything Monty and I worked so hard to build up will become unusable and therefore be thrown into the garbage.

Almost every account I've read on Poser vs Maya is that Poser is so confusing/difficult to work with, and the only reason Monty was so proficient in it was because he'd learnt literally every cheat and keyboard shortcut possible for it.

Also

>Linkin Park

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dSh8KqIiQI [Embed]
>Dillon's RWBY animation showreel he posted to youtube has been taken down by Roosterteeth
>Not claimed, like all other RWBY content posted to youtube, taken down

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>>2815278
Sure.

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>>2815295
Never a bad time for Bondage Yang.

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Even Neon is afraid!

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>>2815305
>Monty was using a Linkin Park song as the soundtrack to animate it to.
>Linkin Park

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>THREAD THEME
>THREAD THEME
https://youtu.be/ZQ7oqmikZDQ

>>2815306
Aw fuck is it finally happening? I've been waiting for an RT implosion for years.

Meg Ryan leaked sex tape when?

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>>2815305
>Monty was using a Linkin Park song as the soundtrack to animate it to.

>>2815306
Do we know when it was taken down, though?

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>>2815313
I am not a fan of that commission.

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>>2815337

>>2815240
Has he started a fire?

>>2815305
>>2815343
>>2815365
Like a Naruto AMV!

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>>2815386
Yes. The fire rises.

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After reading it all, it really is a dick move to pull the rug out from under him like that. Everyone knows that people will still watch the next volume, but some with a bitter taste towards it. Not to mention good luck finding people to pay anymore sponsorships for early viewing. Definitely fuck that shit. I was patient for each episode last volume, I can be just as much next time around.

>>2815422
Or just get the link here instantly like every one else

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>>2815305
>>2815343
>>2815365
>>2815390

>expecting anything otherwise from Monty Oum

>>2815240
Shane and Monty sound like complete and utter idiots here.

>>2815386
I don't know about tumblr, but reddit and /co/ are actually fairly level headed about it, pointing out how it reads like someone who just couldn't work well in a group and adapt.

>>2815365
You do realize Maia walks out to a Linkin Park song right?

>>2815358
>implying

HOW. DOES. IT FEEL. KNOWING SHANES EFFORTS HAVE FAILED!?

HAVE. RT. NO. SHAME?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kXX0asOIJw

Divide is actually Shane vs RT

>>2815386
I can reassure you that the young flame that you described has matured into a rapidly expanding inferno, which signifies our revolution.

>>2815469
He's Brazilian. He has an excuse.

>>2815488
I saw wat u did anon

>>2815515
SHHHHHHHHH.

>>2815447
Agreed, while Sheena getting kinda shit on sucks, Shane and Monty's approach to making the show seems like a mess
Shane treats Monty and his work like Jesus, when honestly he was p shit at times (Penny at end of Vol 1, Dance arc, absolute shitshow that was Breach). Great fight animator, but still
If you can't work well in a group and adapt to new things, well shit nigguh

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>>2815422
>>2815457
Yeah I have to say, now reading the letter, it definitely appears to be a case of clash of personality and work ethics more than anything else

Shane+Monty vs RT
Throwing shit together, no Storyboarding, no layouts vs traditional storyboarding preplanning etc (remember that tweet that gray mentioned how this was the firs time an episode has been fully scripted and storyboarded? Now we know why

Poser vs Maya

Shane admitting that monty and them wanted to take back the rwby IP and form their own studio. if RT got a whiff of that, no wonder they came down on Shane super hard like that, and also explains the super abrupt departure mid volume. I knew something bad went down, just not this bad.

Monty trying to stay completely within his own story/vision and not let anyone else modify/amend/touch it. Granted creative control is an important thing, but not at the expense of shutting out an entire team there to help you.

Overall the whole thing makes everyone look bad, RT most of all due to how they pulled the rug out from him and cut him and Sheena out completely, but also in the way that both parties couldn't adapt for mutual benefit.

Post yfw the actress of your're waifu takes the side of Shane/Sheena and instead of just replacing the VA, they write them out of the show immediately .

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Did my fellow M E M E D R E A M E R S remember to have their yogurt today for a vigorous day of memeing?


>>2815341
Don't be afraid Neon I stocked up on the best yogurt flavors.

>>2815572
Pretty good summery, anon.

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>>2815481
After reading all of those pages it makes Cold feel even worse

>>2815620
They'd probably just replace them, dude.

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>>2815620
>Writing Weiss out of the show
Good luck with that, Jewsterteeth

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>>2815341
Even Torchwick is afraid.
And he's dead!

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>>2815669
BUT MOVING FORWARD NEVER FELT AS HARD AS TODAY

>>2815620
>My waifu is Pyrrha

>>2815620
Imagine a show with only Yang

Start writing.
Start making OCs.
Start making original creations and stories.

Keep Monty's torch lit.

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>>2815708
>with only Yang

You waifu every character except Yang?

>>2815715
>Keep Monty's torch lit.
Well to do that, I'd have to go full autistic and take up the most idiotic work schedule imaginable.

>>2815217
Someone recolor the eyes

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>>2815620
I just heard about this now, anyone have a link with more detail?

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The simple fact is that Monty himself was not a good story teller. He created a neat little world, filled it full of characters, but without other people reigning him in, RWBY would be far more convoluted than it already is.

As someone who also wields enough autism to have multiple little worlds in his head, I know how these things work. You have an over-arching theme, a bunch of characters, a super well thought out final boss fight, and nothing of value in between.

Those "20 Volumes" worth of notes? I would bet a testicle that some of those are less than bare bones, especially the ones in the early middle.
>V6, Ruby and Jaune go to a certain mountain to fight the corrupt Spring Maiden, Yang breaks her new arm, Weiss and Blake search for clues.

And V18-20 take up a composition notebook each. I know:
>Muh Vision! Muh TOME OF OUM!
But the dude was an animator and world-builder first-and foremost. Linking events together was best left to other folks, and despite our hate boner for them, I think M&K may just be capable of that.

Shane was a good guy, and probably got a shit deal, but he's riding Monty's dick so hard he's forgetting that it doesn't matter how epic you're fights are if there's no plot for anyone to give a fuck about.

Sorry for the blog post, have some tits.

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>mfw the parallels I make to Monty being The Boss from MGS just continue to become stronger after reading the letter

>>2815715
>Keep Montys torch lit

But I don't want to animate using a programme that is incredibly difficult and annoying, along with working for 38 hours straight...

>>2815769
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-H0KuOwKFYwZTJxbXg0SG5CTEE/view

Retweeted by Dillon and Sheena. Reblogged by some lady who also worked on RWBY.

>>2815733
Yang a shit

>>2815769
Previous thread. Cartoon thread. Read the fucking thing.

Draw your conclusions. You haven't missed much, there's going to be a lot more talk about this.

>>2815769
Up here buddy, TLDR Shane posted a 30 page letter describing his departure from RT

>>2815240

Here's the reddit thread discussing the reaciton

https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/4j28ds/shane_newville_an_open_letter_to_all_who/

Sheena and a couple of other folks retweeted the letter so it's getting a lot of traction right now.

>>2815792
A shit to such a degree you waifu literally everyone else out of spite?

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>>2815792
That's a funny was of spelling best.

>>2815813
Yes, even Neptune

>>2815715
>Start making original creations and stories.
So not what Monty did at all.

>>2815780
Yeah, the 2015 section really drives this home. This confirms the scuttlebutt about how Monty doggedly absolutely refused to use maya, going so far as to make "skins" for poser to imitate the Maya toolset with all the new animators they brought in. I don't like how RT handled things, but it's showing more and more like an Oil+Water scenario more than anything else. I imagine if anything newer volumes will probably have a smoother and faster production cycle with everything done the RT way I guess. Whether that leads to an uptick in quality, that I'm not so sure.

If RT are cowardly and don't respond to this, someone should call them out at RTX

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>>2815620
Let's just say I'm not feeling too secure, right now.

>>2815620
>Glynda
I'd honestly just feel bad for Kathleen. They're already treating her like shit by refusing to let her have her own RTX panel, killing off her character in RWBY would be a stab in the back.

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An attempt was made.

>>2815863
There's probably going to be at least some damage control.

>>2815863
Judging by what Burnie mentioned in a recent podcast, they're going to keep doing what they've been doing to this point.

Ignore it.

When the fine bros controversy erupted Burnie made a comment how if you apologize in social media these days, people seem to attack you more viciously than if you had left it alone. Now granted, this is one of their hottest properties right now and this coming out so soon before RTX, i'm sure it's going to come up. But I bet anything they'll do everything in their power to ignore or deflect any inquiry or comment about this as much as humanly possible or speak in vague platitudes about how they're "committed to honoring Monty's vision" or something and that Shane and Sheena had "creative differences" and they wish them all the best etc.

>Ryan's attempts to reference MMA
Why is he so wonderful?

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>February 1

>Monty Oum passed away
Lost it.

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>>2815651
I actually ate yogurt right before coming here to post! Although it was a Rolo yogurt, rather than the Greek ones that Neon prefers. I hope this is acceptable.

>>2815781
Outer Remnant when?

>>2815572

Conspiracy theory that RT killed Monty?

>>2815780
Monty is p much George Lucas
It's like poetry, they rhyme

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>>2815892
You're right, May. All any of us can do after this Shane debacle is attempt to hold ourselves together. Thank you.

>>2815780
This. So much this.

>>2815932
Nah that was Monty's doing. He always was a workaholic, shane even admits it. Working 36 hour days, no sleep, tons of caffeiene and bad food. Poor guy probably was less than a decade away from a heart attack. Shane's idea of a vacation was to spend an entire weekend at the RT office animating personal projects non-stop. It was only a matter of time before he suffered some major health problem, the allergy thing just sort of happened out of left field really.

>>2815932
>Joe the Cat is an anagram of "A EJECT THO"

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

I wonder what Neath thinks of all this

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>>2815789
>>2815798
>>2815803
Thanks anons I'll be able update myself on this event now.

>>2815874
>It's almost sad.

What did she mean by this?

>>2815992
Don't think he cares too much, and I don't think Monty did either, desu.

>>2815992
>"Oh, so he couldn't fine time to go to moms funeral, but was able to find time to try and secretly take his show over to LA?"

>>2815982
>Working 36 hour days, no sleep, tons of caffeine and bad food.

>>2815982
If the allergy didn't kill him, work would.

>>2815572
>Shane admitting that monty and them wanted to take back the rwby IP and form their own studio
That sounds much more to me like a passing conversation that got no real consideration. Getting back an IP like that is a massive undertaking they would likely never pull off, and the quality drop would be hilariously off putting to everyone but the most devoted fans.

>>2816025

Monty... lived a hard life

;_;

>>2815908
Fine bros controversy?

>>2815874
So who's gonna voice her next volume?

>Divorced from former headish animator
>Head Animator who literally just nuked his bridges to the company

Watch it be Grey Delisli or some shit.

>>2816012
That she almost regrets doing this.
Almost.

>>2816056
Fine Brother tried to trademark the word "React"

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I literally could not care less.

Monty was a fucking idiot with writing and I'm glad they changed it. All he ever wanted to do was put in nonsensical fights, dance sequences, and completely ignore the details. He came up with shit on the fly and wanted to leave RT right after they made him even slightly successful. Fuck him and fuck Shane.

>>2816054
I mean, yeah I suppose, but he made the decision to not go to his mothers funeral all because it would "tarnish" his work ethic.

>>2816056
Couple of months ago, a big shitstorm errupted with two brothers who run the "react" channel on youtube. They're the guys who put out all those "KIDS REACT TO AN ORIGINAL GAMEBOY AHMAHGERD!!!"

Anyhow they tried to trademark "react" and create a "partnership" program that would basically require you to join their channel/network if you wanted to make any kind of react videos. They backtracked hardcore after the backlash and they discussed it at length on the RT podcast and that's where burnie made the observation when the fine bros made the apology video.

>>2816066
Well I mean its her ex-husband doing all the talking. All she has to do is stay quiet and keep up good relations and shes golden.

>>2816025
>>2816088
He found time to go to the funeral. He couldn't find time to visit while she was dying. (Probably buried himself in his work as an attempt to cope) It's a subtle difference.

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>>2816012
That not even genocide will get in the way of that sweet keikaku booty.

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What if Yank winked at you every time you walked past her

>>2816095
Oh, so it's like RT and "Let's Play".

>>2816038
Not really an exaggeration. Monty was known for working crazy hours and just sleeping at his desk. There's a meme floating around of him surrounded by coffee cups and face planted into his keyboard .

>>2816049
Definitely, the guy had no bloody work life balance. He pretty much lived in front of his compy. That's probably why folks reacted a bit worriedly when miles admitted on the podcast last year he uses his ADHD meds to push through various crunch periods and then ends up working til 6am the follwoing day.

>>2816052
True, but even if it was a casual mention, I wouldn't be surprised if RT found out they wouldn't take it kindly either way.

>>2816096
She moved across the country with their children.

I don't think she's coming back to voice Emerald.

>>2816137
>She moved across the country with their children.
What did Shane do exactly?

>>2816132
Technically it was Sony that tried to trademark the LP and Geoff and Burnie also talked about that too. I don't think it got anywhere since Let's Play is used so much across youtube so there's no worry there.

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>>2815926
That's technically a desert not a breakfast but the details don't entirely matter it's a yogurt, it especially doesn't matter if you know how this meme started, carry on fellow M E M E D R E A M E R and embrace the M E M E D R E A M.

>>2816168
Get divorced.

>>2816137
To be fair, Kara, Arryn, and Kathleen have also moved and still voice their characters.

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>>2816131
I would return the favor, and attempt to court the Yang. She clearly shows some interest.

There is not much RT can do in response. The damage has already been done. But how many fans will read the letter? How many will care? How many actually know who Shane is? People will continue watching RWBY, and keep buying their merchandise. People will soon forget about this and enjoy volume 4.

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>>2816176

>>2815874
This might not be too bad... I mean, Merc got a VA change and I hardly noticed. Might be slightly better, even.

As long as the voice isn't too different and the lady can act, Em getting a new VA would be fine.

>>2816131
She's planning something.

I'm going to Holzken her the next time she winks.

>>2816199
Kara didn't leave on bad terms. Arryn needs the recognition and convention appearances she gets from being Blake to "make it" in LA. Both are title characters anyway.

Kathleen is the ultimate exception. She loves the community so much that she'll always voice Tex and Glynda, just for the fans.

>>2816238
I kinda liked the old Merc better.

Very slight though.

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SENFHELP IM HAVIN G

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>>2815715
>Start making original creations and stories.
>Original creations
>Original stories

The story of the Old Wizard and the maidens.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Sorceress_%28Final_Fantasy_VIII%29

Hunter Academies
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Garden

Hunters
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/SeeD

Atlas
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Galbadia

Dust
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Materia_%28Final_Fantasy_VII%29

Salem (Combine the physical appearance of three)
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Edea_Kramer
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Adel
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimecia

Zwei
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Sant'_Angelo_di_Roma
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Combine_%28Final_Fantasy_VIII%29

Grimm
http://www.khwiki.com/Heartless

Blake
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feces

This is hardly all of it.

>>2816249
But why? The community sucks.

>>2816216
Don't underestimate this, it's blowing up all across RT's fanbase and a lot of people are very unhappy. People have been deleting their RT-related accounts

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>>2816268
Having what Ms. Schnee? Diarrhea? Your period? A baby? Please be patient, I'm a bit busy with Yang.

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>>2816273
>Linking to the KH Wiki

>>2816273
The only right thing to do is make it big with a RWBY fanfiction.

>>2816176
I know how it started, the Greek yogurt was used to bribe somebody into the M E M E D R E A M.

>>2816233
Haha, more Neon pictures!

The Meme Queen is producing so much OC. She is becoming our second Mercury.

>>2816283
Community Post-Barb sucks.

The community members that still know who Kathleen even is (aka hardcore RvB fans), still love her.

>>2816283
Kathleen is from a time when the community was much better and she was basically the mom of the fandom, much more so than Barbara 'protect me Burnie' Dunkelman

>>2816294
Says who faggot? Give me some hard evidence, because that's drastic.

>>2816299
Please don't bully I like that show

>>2815715
I think I actually will.

>>2816325
*Series

>>2815715
I have
Made them
I do have a Cyberpunk story I was writing back in High School, but it's really nothing

>>2816325
HE LIKES CHIBI RWBY POINT AT HIM AND LAUGH

>>2816325
>>2816338

The series is fine. The wiki is just run by people who are incredibly incompetent and treat their theories as canon.

>>2816319
Read some of what people have been saying on this post, which has garnered over 2000 notes in about 2 hours

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Post yfw if Monty was still alive, Chibi would be used as a holding pen for all his on-the-spot ideas, like the dance or the Raven dream.

>>2815715
>Start making original creations and stories.
>Start
It will all probably never be published until I can get my prose up to scratch through practice and scathing reviews but nigga what?

>>2816360
Which post? I don't speak Tumblr.

>>2816360
Forgot to link
http://shanenewville.tumblr.com/post/144255159993/an-open-letter-to-all-who-treasured-monty-oum

I wonder what Shane thinks of Chibi then.

Or maybe that was the straw that broke the camels back and made him type this all up?

>>2816359
I've never been to the wiki so I wouldn't know

>>2816216
>How many will care? How many actually know who Shane is?
I'm more concerned that people who know who Monty is (and let's face it, there's a ton of them) will just take everything Shane says at face value.

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>>2816299
>>Linking to the KH Wiki

Well the Final Fantasy wiki only had a general kingdom hearts page.

It doesn't change the fact that Grimm are basically just heartless from Kingdom Hearts, with a tiny pinch of pic related thrown in to make them more imposing.
Remember who Monty was.

How are fans talking about this mess on the RT forums?

>>2816380
Aight, I scanned through what they had to say.

Tumblr is an angst filled emotional cesspool that is legendary for its overreactions.
>OMZ guys im literaly sahkin here ;;_;;
Sure it's bug, but I would take Tumblr's reaction with more than just a pinch of salt.

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>"none of the animators or dream team got hired"
>"and then they hired Dillon Gu who I suggested and I told him how fucked up the team is"
Yeah, this guy is an idiot. Literally everything they did was to make RWBY a more successful and efficiently produced series.

>they treated Sheena badly
We fucking treat Sheena badly. Maybe they didn't like her banking on Monty's death and didn't want her profiting off his show too?

>>2816168
He spent more time around work and Sheena so obviously his wife used "womyns logik" and assumed he was cheating on her

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>>2816419
>He thinks people still use the RT Forums

How's 2010 treating you dude? RvB Revelation blowing your fucking mind?

>>2816432
Plus, nobody liked Sheena dating a new guy so shorty after Monty died.

>>2815620
Won't make a difference considering I'm not watching or supporting anything RT after reading that.

>>2816426
So would I honestly, I was just pointing out how much attention it was getting and I don't think it will just blow over any time soon

>>2816469
God that site revamp was the fucking worst.

>>2815910
>Do her like Connor McGregor
>Well like before he lost.

>>2816294
It'd be great if this fucking killed them.

>>2816475
You don't think you're overreacting? Shane is very biased, in this. Not saying RT is absolved of everything, but I don't think they're as terrible as he's making out.

>>2816516
>It'd be great to lose several interesting shows because of one guy whose words we can't even fully trust

>>2816533
No, not really.

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>>2816305
Indeed it was a good day for M E M E T E A M and our queen.

>>2816233
I've been hoping someone would post a png of that It makes a lot less work if I decide to make more OC with it, thanks anon.

>>2816516
It really won't.

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>>2816381

I honestly don't see why he'd have a problem with Chibi.
It's a completely seperate thing that's just the girls being cute and adorable. It doesn't directly interfere with Monty's vision, and it's probably something Monty himself would have been on board with.

>"Monty, we want to make a spin-off series where all the waifus are chibi characters doing cute things"
>"Yes! Perfect! Do it! In fact, I'll leave it to all of you and stay out of it completely. Of course you'll need to work on that so...Here, just give me your work load for the main series, I'll take care of all of it."

>>2816537
Shitshows are always good popcorn events. I already popped some of the good cheddar stuff.

>>2816537
>interesting

>>2816537
Our lives would all be improved if RT was removed from existence.

Look where we are right now.

>>2816564
>opinions
I find both RvB and RWBY entertaining enough to find the thought of them ending not fun.

>>2816419
>How are fans talking about this mess on the RT forums?

Here.
http://roosterteeth.com/forum/rwby/topic/3213361

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>>2816569
>I'm currently shitposting on a Sri Lankan Crayola forum as we discuss the drama of e-celebs on a not-anime produced online by a Texan production studio

I don't see anything wrong here.

>>2816569
You're like a cartoon pitchfork mob.

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>>2816569
If RWBY didn't exist I'd be shitposting in [spoiler]/sug/[/spoiler] right now.

So basically.
>okay shane, let's do this production in a more professional and coordinated way
>NO NO NO THIS ISN'T THE WAY MONTY WANTED IT I WORK BETTER THIS WAY1

>>2816569
>Look where we are right now.
I'm almost halfway done with a final paper almost a week early by the schedule I set in place to work by and I'm posting on rwbyg to prevent burnout.

>>2816605
>by a Texan production studio
>Texan

So that's why almost every weapon is also a gun

>>2816633
That distills it pretty much. Shane and monty had "their way" which, to be fair, did kind of work on a small go-at-your-own-pace scale. But I imagine once production ramped up, and you had schedules to meet and more employees to bring on and, you know, work with you to get the job done, it completely smashed into a brick wall.

>>2816614
oh jeez spoiler don't work here oh boy

>>2816688
>>2816633
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T WANT TO LEARN ALL THESE KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS AND OTHER CHEATS TO MAKE POSER PASSABLE AS AN ANIMATION PROGRAMME
>YOU DON'T WANT TO WORK WITHOUT STORYBOARDING!? WAY TO SHIT OVER MONTYS LEGACY!

>>2816724
Now you're the one overblowing it.

>>2816633
>let's do this production in a more professional and coordinated way
>Have to go through like 20000 people just to get one asset
>Took his personal hard drives and laptop then said "We'll give them back when we feel like it."
>More than likely got fired for all the RWBY stuff he made with Monty that was on the HDs and laptop

>wanted Jaune to see Pyrrha's death and get even more focus, effectively making him the main character
Shit idea
>wanted Pyrrha to stand a chance against someone who was hyped up as INCREDIBLY powerful (powerful enough to fight Ozpin)
Shit idea.

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>>2816745
I'll blow you, in a minute.

>>2816605
No.

You're in the TRASH of a Sri Lankan Craynola forum.

>>2816746
Yes, anon, that's how production works. It seems to me that he was incredibly stubborn to change, so much that they felt the need to fire him.
Production is a long process and needs to be done right without cutting corners.

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>>2816776
I'm ready.

>>2816782
But that's a change for the worse and actively slowed down his rate of production.

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>>2816782
>that's how production works

I follow multiple big name animators on Twitter and I've never heard of any company doing bullshit like that.

>Production is a long process and needs to be done right without cutting corners.
>RoosterTeeth
>Not cutting corners

>>2816808
>his
Unfortunately for him, it stopped being his show once he pitched it for a company.
Most people, especially new animators, would find it hard to work without proper storyboarding and direction.
I'm not saying the way RT does things is not bullshit, but we're talking about two extremes here — no direction at all at one side and a fucking mess of a work process on the other.

>>2816808
Exactly, HIS rate of production. He basically wanted to take up Monty's place, who was a plague to the production team in the first place.

>>2816821
He's stuck in his small studio ways and wanted it to stay like that and wouldn't change to make it a smooth process. Like not doing your job on the line of people working.

>RoosterTeeth
>Not cutting corners
Monty was much worse.

>>2816821
The whole reason V3 looks so much better is because people didn't go through Monty's "process" of cutting corners with everything except fight scenes. That's why production took so much longer, and that's exactly what Shane is bitching about.

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MAGA!

>>2816746
The 2015 section is the most telling really. He wanted to do it monty's way because he believe in him and while I respect that, if your employer is basically throwing their weight on doing it their own way, doggedly doing the animations/scene your way only to have them scrapped is going to happen. Kind of amazing they managed to pull volume 3 off at all with this kind of infighting really. I just wish they could have resolved it a lot more peacefully than what apparently happened.

>>2816851
>>2816897
This sums it up well. I'll give monty credit, they guy had superb talent and drive, but when you're dying on the altar of Poser, going so far as to create Maya flavored skins for it so the new animators who trained on maya will stop bitching about using poser, it's a sign that you're fighting the wrong battle.

>>2816942
>I just wish they could have resolved it a lot more peacefully than what apparently happened.

I wish that too but RoosterTeeth tends not to do that. Look at every other time they had it out with employees or contract workers.

Kathleen is still being ostracized.

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>>2816999
I've always wanted to know what Marshall did...

>>2817013
I thought he just moved on?

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>>2816937
MAGA.

>>2817013
>>2817036
RT rehired him

>>2815240
If anything I'm actually glad we have professional VA's now, it's a nice gesture to have your friends and family play the roles but I'm not watching someone's home movies.

So whats the point in being a maiden if you aren't going to be OP? You're just a special little snowflake for no reason

>>2817067
Well it's a show for special snowflakes

>>2817059
Even Monty knew this and stepped down from voicing Qrow. Shane calls Yuri a "temp voice actor" in the doc somewhere. Seriously?

>>2817067
It is powerful, Cinder beat Ozpin with it. It's just not invincibility.

>Main guy from Grimm Eclipse retweeted it as well

Looks like he's gone as well soon enough. Good, his latest update sucks

I just want Yang to play Arkham Knight

>>2817095
He also says that he thought highly of JJ, and outright sees Mercury as JJ.

I seriously doubt that anyone, no matter how good, could have filled that role and met with Shane's approval. It seemed like an emotional judgement.

>>2817135
>his latest update sucks
And he admitted it and said he was going to make it better the very next day, very un-RT of him

>>2817135

They should have just made a JRPG with a nameable silent protag. Would have been a lot easier and more interesting.

>>2817059
Yeah you know i've been going through that RT forums thread and the reddit thread and it's echoing what a lot of folks here are saying. After the initial OHMG WTF shock, a lot more folks are coming out and saying that it's not a cut and dry 100% RT are evil thing. The fact taht Shane admitted Monty had "his way" that clashed with RT kinda paints him into a corner of "clashing work ethic" and that's kind of hard to justify when in the end you have to put out something.

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>>2817155
That's specific. Why not the whole series; City is the best.

>>2816936
But the fights suffered, I remember the outcry once we all realized that vol. 3 had the most and worst instances of reused animation. It wasn't "efficient." It was Lazy as fuck.

Now. Shane sperging out over an old system undoubtedly did hinder things. But so did RT adding a shitload of red tape and ignoring a senior animator, even Monty himself, when it came to the show's content.

>>2817135
No he didn't.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jordy_j_s?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

>>2816851
>>2816897
>Monty's insane workrate is somehow a bad thing

You must be joking. How the fuck could it possibly be a positive to make Shane entirely redo a scene multiple times just so they could use slightly different assets, or to remove a couple of extra frames for the rendering process? It makes no fucking sense.

>>2817122
But if she wasn't supposed to be this strong then she would have been another Amber and Amber was pretty lame in comparison to FM Cinder

>>2817173
>Suit Yang
This pleases me

>>2817095
Maybe there actually was a temporary VA before Yuri came in for recording.

>>2817197
Think of it like this: Cinder is way more dangerous with the power than Amber was.

>>2817195
Monty's insane workrate should not have affected others. Which it did. At some point you get enough people involved in the production process that you have to start ignoring the ramblings of that one crazy workaholic guy, otherwise you'll make it bad for everyone.

>>2817162
Lol in the letter he tries to call Yuri "some random dude who sounded like temp audio".

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Cute Yang!

What I find interesting is how RT is constantly saying that they are all about "Monty's vision" and ding everything to honor him, while cutting out the people who worked very close with Monty.

Its almost like RT uses Monty's death to make themselves look better. Carrying on the his "legacy".

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>>2817213
Suit Yang one of the best Yang.

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>>2817217
Then why would he say he "thought" it was a temp VA? The way he phrases it, he was disappointed to find out it was the permanent VA.

>>2817213
Suit Yang does indeed have strong game... But Suit Emerald is certainly a contender.

>>2817195
It's the other way around man. Shane would do a scene "monty's" way repeatedly ignoring or avoiding the stuff that the other animators wanted to do, then ended up having it either completely scrapped or having it be redone. He's not the grand poobah of a project, his word/desires aren't law, and when you're part of a team, you have to do some give and take to make the team work.

Plus yes Monty's work ethic is actually bad. Working as long as he did and as hard as he did is a surefire recipe for burnout and mental/physical problems. It's why so many companies freak out about work life balance (well they could do more, but they're at least paying lip service to it now) now. Plus the fact he avoided upgrading or working with new tools that the entire rest of the staff was using was bound to come to a head at some point.

>>2817230
>start ignoring the ramblings of that one crazy workaholic guy

that guy CREATED THE FUCKING SERIES.

I wish Monty would've found a way to take RWBY to his own studio and also not died.

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>>2817246

>>2817255
And George Lucas created Star Wars.

>>2817255
So? He decided to involve other people in the production. If he wanted to have a full control over the creation of RWBY, he should've quit and started his own studio.
He might've been a good animator, but his work ethic sucks. Newcomers should not be forced to deal with one guy being so stubborn he refuses to make compromises and adapt.

>>2817243
Well ya, RT doesn't actually give a shit about anything except making money

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>>2817239

I bet Yang had some good pussy. No amount of thinking of unpleasant things would stop you from cumming in less than five minutes.

>>2817243
Anon, Gray was nearly in tears when Monty died. He was barely holding it together in the livestream they did after his death was announced.

Let's not try to make it out like anyone who wasn't Shane and Sheena didn't care about him and just want to toss him aside.

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>>2817246
>Bartender Yang
This also pleases me

>>2817249
Don't forget Suit Cinder

what if ruby rose the protagonist of rwby read all about this and decided she no longer wanted to be apart of it and left

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>People calling Shane's letter Lettergate

>>2817274
I don't, if what Shane says is true, Monty was a bit of an idiot who didn't really know how a production team works.

He wanted a small team of yes men animators and writers, which is pretty much what V1 was except with a fraction of the resources.

>>2817276
Yang would make a terrible prosecutor.

>>2817308
Wouldn't make a bunch of a difference in the series desu

>>2817230
But this doesn't seem like it should have effected the overall production. Like the frame thing, he did it specifically to help out the editors and give them some room to work with, but the producers made him redo entire scenes so that it was "correct" and they wouldn't need to render those frames later on.

>>2817252
I think the problem is, there was no give. Like if they had forced those kind of changes while Monty was alive, he'd have told them to fuck off and had the pull to have his way. But because Shane didn't have his leeway he couldn't do anything, and the constrictions and changes so soon after Monty's death really kicked him too.

>>2817302
>Burnie choking up on a random podcast just mentioning his name

EVIL PRODUCER MAN WHO WAS OUT TO GET SHANE AND DOESNT CARE ABOUT NOTHING

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I want to go to the beach with Yang!

>>2817310
>Fucking idiots throwing -gate onto the end of everything.

I WANT THIS TO STOP.

>>2817308
Thank you for clarifying who Ruby Rose is. That could have confused everybody.

>>2817346
So do people just ship Ren because he's nonthreatening to the extreme?

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>>2817276
I remember those

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>>2817307
How about Suit Weiss?

>>2817311
This basically, Volume 1 was pretty shit with fights being its only real saving grace
Volume 3 is leagues better, almost at "good" quality.
If the things Shane opposed means better writing, animation, then I'm all for it.
Fights will probably suck for a while though until they get better at that

>>2817310
>Not Shanegate
>Not Roostergate

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>>2817276
I found this as well.
>>2817288
And it's that reason why endurance training is key.
>>2817317
Yeah, but she's hot.

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>>2817367

>>2817357
>>2817308
>protagonist of RWBY

But that isn't Jaune and Blake...

>>2817357
Have you seen the first 2 seasons of RWBY?

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AWAKEN, MY CONTROVERSY!

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>>2817378
Too bad the Ruby one got eaten by his computer...

So does anyone know what the animators are doing? Are they doing anything to improve? Yeah I like the improvements to the series and how the plot is kicking in but the fights have been kinda lame honestly. Yang vs Merc was nice but I guess I just miss old RWBY

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>>2817346
I want to spar Yang and feel the rushing waves tickle my toes as she round-kicks my skull!

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>>2817365

I just like the art bro

>>2817357
well there's also that lesbian called that

>>2817400
All I know is they're switching to maya

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Anyone have more Arslan x Emerald? I need more double chocolate.

Burnie just retweeted the letter!

He's gone.

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>>2817308
I thought you left last night. Did you?

>>2817400
Their boobies are smoother

No really, they tweeted about it

>>2817344
They're all trying to "move forward" in what they think Monty would've wanted, they just want to honor his legacy so to say
Obviously how you go about that is different from person to person at RT and inevitably lead to this

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>>2817399
>Ruby as the protagonist who got sidelined in his own game
This is actually incredibly fitting.

Monty did not want to use a storyboard and plan things? That's stupid. It works for short things, but if you want to do something that runs for many years, you need a storyboard, or you will just create a big mess that is impossible to undo.

>>2817431
nope

>>2817400
Shane confirmed the move to Maya, so there's that.

Also actual storyboarding of scenes. It explains why the facial expressions and non-fight scenes are so much better this volume.

As for fights, I think quite a few of the mo cap artists (Miles, Gray, Barb etc) are taking classes in various shit to improve their physical acting.

>>2817431
At least it's being acknowledged and they're not just brushing it under the rug like every other RT controversy (Kathleen's firing, Knuckles Dawson's suicide, etc.)

>>2815715
My prose is absolute trash. I try to write but it's so shit that I struggle to figure out how to convey the simplest of things.

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>>2817411
Yang seems greenish there. Is it the same artist who constantly fucks up Emerald's skin tone and makes her green?

>>2817435
Not everyone who posts those are the same guy

>>2817443
Drawfriend's art is pure pottery

>>2817469

Practice makes perfect.
Write something even if you don't share it with anyone.

>>2817449
Yep. When they would plan an episode they would just say "Insert Monty action here" and let him do whatever. This is what led to stuff like Penny doing all her robo shit in Volume 1 before anyone was suppose to know she was a robot.

>>2817472
I've counted four of them, but all lowercase is pretty distinct in his style.

>>2817343
Yeah, I don't doubt for a second he was holding on to Monty's style as a sort of emotional/mental bulwark with all the crap that was happening to him in his life. The guy's been diagnosed with depression since age 5, he's away from his wife and kids, barely eked out an existance, his friend and mentor died, and now the company he's working for is trying to pull it in a different direction. I can kind of see why both sides were so dug in to their respective positions.

>>2817400
I think a big part is them fully converting and doing everyting in Maya now. All of the animators were pushing towards Maya from what shane was saying so I'd imagine they're trying to integate all of their projects into a Maya production "pipe"

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>>2817475
It is.
I miss him.

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>>2817368
Weiss is Nice and Suit Weiss is even better. She's second best RWBY when I'm being bias. Also please tell me you have the full image of that with the rest of them.

>>2817375
Anon please tell me you have that picture of Yang in this outfit

>>2817464
>of the mo cap artists (Miles, Gray, Barb etc) are taking classes in various shit to improve their physical acting
That's kind of good but the animation team or storyboarders should be more involved in that degree.

You don't have to go out and become a martial artist. Just read some stuff online, study the technical side of it and then break all the fucking rules like a motherfucker.

>>2817495
No, but I want it.

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>>2817475
Indeed, I actually have an entire folder dedicated to just his drawings

>>2817489
Yes, it's very easy to type in a style. Look at me, I'm typing in your style, anon! You really should stop samefagging because we are clearly the same person.

>>2817467
Knuckles was waaaaaay different.

Guy tried to lewd an underage fan when Jack and Geoff were working their asses off to build Achievement Hunter into a proper brand. Then he tried to sneak into RTX under the guise of being a V.I.P.

They had no obligation to talk about him dissappearing, but took the higher ground for the sake of fans and used their reach to appeal for help.

>>2817488
But that was great, because everyone already knew.

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>>2817526
Your post in confusing, and it seems a bit agitated.

I'm just going to post this Yang and Neo.

The letter seems to imply V3 was actually made in Maya, at least chunks of it (I assume the non-fight scenes/episodes).

That would explain the sudden jump in quality in some aspects.

>>2817532
Did you forget that they also covered up said lewding?

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>>2817509
Wait my mistake it was Yang in this outfit

>>2817561
Well yeah its obvious, but when you have Monty going around and animating it while the people who you asked for are writing your show aren't told about it and it screws with the reveal they had wrote, well...

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>>2817575

What if you hadn't seen Yang smile in months?

I hope in volume 4 they go back to 30 frames per second instead of 24. 24 made the fights look slower and clunkier.

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>>2817594

>>2817583
Covered up in that they didn't go public, sure.

Knuckles was instantly fired and the victim taken care of by RT, if Fraggers blog is to be taken as fact. They didn't cover it up in a 80's English Children's TV Presenter sense.

>>2817604
What happened to that youtube channel that put the fights at 48 fps?

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>>2817489

Not really.
Sometimes I do them in the all lowercase style just to see if I get a rise out of him. Usually by thinking up the most retarded scenarios possible so other people assume it's him doing it.

And I'm happy to say that, on three separate occasions, he called me out on my bullshit.
One of them involved "You" walking in on Ruby while she was de-callousing the bottoms of her feet with a sharp knife, and it made him swear off doing what if scenarios forever.
And then he went back to doing them about 12 hours later.

>>2817604
Framerate isn't the only issue with fights

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>>2817619
Thanks

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>>2817594
Let me see if I can find it.

I don't see this working well for Shane in the long run, chances are it'll get him blacklisted as a blabbermouth.

That's why you rarely see directors or scriptwriters going into detail about "creative difference, because no one wants to work with someone who would rat them out.

>>2817628
I know that, but going back to 30 would be an improvement.

They also need to work on the camera work, and stop trying to make the fights look too "animeish", with stupid close ups and flashy white lines.

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>>2817624
>walking in on Ruby while she was de-callousing the bottoms of her feet with a sharp knife
I remember that! He thought it was nasty and said he'd quit!

Wow what-if anon-kun you're such a fucking faggot holy shit.

>>2817653
He will never find a job as a animator ever again

>>2817653

He could easily just jump on Kickstarter to fund his own series or fund a pilot and shop that around. That's what LeSean Thomas did and Satelight is helping make his show.

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>>2817495
>Also please tell me you have the full image of that with the rest of them.
I know where to find it but that side requires SMS verification and I'm not going to do that.
http://mincolorlla.lofter.com/post/2116d0_74f9c02

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>>2817644
Oops. Someone beat me to it. Oh well.

>>2817656
>They also need to work on the camera work, and stop trying to make the fights look too "animeish", with stupid close ups and flashy white lines.
The camera work could be fixed pretty easily by copying a lot of what Jackie Chan does with his fights. The cutting actually doesn't really make much sense since they don't have to hide the pulling of blows.

>>2817620
It was still covered up as in the police weren't involved.

>>2817653
>>2817668
>divorced
>fired
>know to be depressive
>puts all the cards on the table
I don't see this turning out well

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>>2817686
>side
site*

>>2817677
That's assumig he can write.

>>2817688
Iowa is best ship
Yang is best girl

>>2817705

True but writers can be hired. I'd write for him if he paid good enough.

>>2817693
I really hope that he's not going to do that.

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>>2817710
>Iowa
>Best
Shiggy.jpg

>>2817710

Murakumo, Tatsuta and Tenryuu > Iowa

>>2817677
>He tries to get funding for "Montys RWBY"
>It's the whole "Montys crew in LA" plan that Shane says Monty had
>They crash and burn even after getting their goal because they have a stupidly unsustainable vision for a full length animated series

>>2817526
Goddamn, you used commas and capital letters. You are a bloody master of disguise.

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Well Mojo posted a new thing, figured I'd link it here since we're discussing up a storm

https://twitter.com/mojojoj27827860/status/730856835868033026

>>2817710
>Iowa is best ship

>Not Texas or IJN Yamato.

>>2817705
>>2817720
Writing is for squares apparently.

You gotta just go straight into a scene and do what comes natural, otherwise it's forced or something.

>>2817507
I'd love to see some proper combinations come out of RWBY.

With the benefits of no cardio or possible quick knockout you can get some crazy stuff going.

>>2817771
>not glorious Niggersashi

>>2817762

Mojo spilling that secret knowledge through fanart.

>>2817762
Funnily enough, there were a few Friday the 13th comments in the niconico upload when that episode with him came out.

>>2817762
what his deal with Banesaw and friday the 13th?

>>2817720
>He hires writers
>They start vetoing him on certain decisions
>He becomes hard to work with
>The writer fire him
>He takes to the Internet to complain
IT KEEPS HAPPENING

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>>2817688
MAGA!

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>RT higher ups and company execs apparently forceful on animation team to change the current process
>absolutely nothing of the sort done to the writing team

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>>2817710
>>2817771
>not Pillar of Autumn

>>2817489
>>2817624
I find it mildly amusing how, after a point, we can all start to recognise each other through retarded schticks. I've been able to do a similar thing with the Neonposters (there seems to be four of them)/

My favourite is that all-lower case guy who hates Reese. He is actually very complex. While he outwardly seems to hate Reese, I once saw him become alarmed and concerned when somebody posted a horror au picture of Reese.

>>2817686
This is some good stuff thanks

>>2817800
He has a mask like jason and I think Jason has a chainsaw at some point in time

>>2817812
The writers are also the execs

>>2817762

This is some awful timing for Mojo considering recent events with the RoosterTeeth Panama Papers

>>2817812
>Nothing done to the writing team

Gray came on as co-writer, and Miles was made "Head Writer of Animation" after V3 was already nearing post-production, which hopefully implies there will be more writing staff later on.

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>>2817811
I want to shake your hand and then bully 17 year-old Sander supporters.

>>2817861
But he will only perpetuate the low standard that let him and Kerry get in the door in the first place.

>>2817819
There's only about 100 of us. That's smaller than your average graduating class of seniors. I'm not surprised anons learn the behaviors of others.

>>2817776

If I lived in Texas, I'd probably apply to be a mocap actor. It sounds like fun and I've got years of experience.
Plus it's an excuse to get close to Barb and teach her how to actually kick.

But sadly, I live in Jersey where everything is shit and the nearest Dunkelman is thousands of miles away.

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>>2817814
That's not Mother of Invention.