/ztg/ - Zootopia General: You Can Run With Us, We've Go

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Nobby for best drawfag.

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aight lads

i think thats it for now, 11 hours is good for a drawstream

im gonna take a powernap

>>10635924
he perfectly captured my fantasies with Al, he is truly a gift to us all

>>10635909
fucking kill me

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>>10635936
Sweet dreams, sloth Terminator.

>>10635939
>>10635936

Truly, next to our lord and god Weaver we should declare Nobby as a saint!

>>10635967
I'll kill you where you fuckjign stand

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>>10635936
>Hey, sloth. Enjoying the parade?
>'S why we're all painted up. Pred pride, right?
>That's not why we come, though.
>Not into politics.
>Most of the time, these things barely have time to let out before the first cuddlepiles form. Orgies too.
>Walking all day in the hot sun, you build up a lot of musk.
>The good kind.
>What do you say? Want to stick around and see how far we got with the paint?

Can somebody repost >>10635822?
I missed it.

>>10635967
>Anon posters in a mob
>What's a mob to a king?
>What's a king to a god?
>What's a god to a TG Weaver?

>>10636077
Beautiful

gay?

>>10636077
nice

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>>10636074
4chanX might be a thing you wanna pick up

>>10635924
desu we are in a thread with weaver, a_sig, waga, high cow, candy and others. not exactly a compliment there

>>10636077
God might be able to create live and order
But it's only TG Weaver who can create deep understanding meta Lewds.

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Tactical reshill!

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>>10636097
yes?

>>10636107
And the other one? >>10635809?

I like browsing vanilla. It's what I'm used to.

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>>10636170
Sure thing.

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>>10636097
>>10636169
Gay reporting in

>>10636159
Flak, it was great seeing you last night, and great seeing you this morning

>>10636179
Thanks, man.

>>10636002
>The twins start off pink
>By the end of the day, they're walking rainbows

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>>10636097
straight

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>>10636258
with exceptions

evens - programman
odds - nothing

>>10636288
>DUBS?

reposting >>10635997 for anon

>>10635755
>おい!!ジャック!!!しっかりしろ!!!
Nick: "HEY!! JACK!!! HANG ON!!!"
>とり乱すな...ワイルド......
Jack: "Don't lose your cool... Wilde......"

>サベージさんよ...この後どうするつもりだ?
Nick: "Hey Savage... What are you gonna do once this is over?"
>そんな簡単なこと 聞くのかい?ワイルド巡査
Jack: "Such an easy question, do you even need to ask? Officer Wilde"

>じゃあな、ウサちゃん
Nick: "Later, Lil' Bun"
>怒
RAGE

>ハイハイ エリート君
Nick: "Yeah yeah, you're an elite agent"

>いい加減おとなしくてな僕ちゃん?
Nick: "That was irresponsible
You weren't being very obedient were you, young man?"
>ひどい怪我してる
Horrifically injured

>>10635802
No, as in I like cuddling, smooching, committed relationships, and stuff like that
One of the reasons my Zoosona's a bear
That and I'm a fat lazy fuck

>>10635823
Pegging
The context is pegging

>>10636097
gay machine broke

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I like this

>>10636302
welp, time to work with SDL again

>>10636285
Was it already mentioned what Don and Deweys jobs are?

In the sequel I think they will have to redesign their outfits, If not purely for merch reasons.

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>>10636285
I was rereading some pack street chapters and I noticed a line that said they were sleeping on lawn chairs together during that heatwave I think
I thought they were just in the same business but apparently they are friends which fuels my shipping even more

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Could someone post some good non-lewd greentexts? I'm in an abstract kind of mood.

>>10636417
>sequel
retard

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>>10636343

Wow thanks senpai!

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>>10636252
This is so much my fetish it's hard to describe. I want to look and smell so much like both of them, Betty or Al wouldn't be able to tell me apart from them out of the corner of their eye

>Wolter?
>...Wait, Anneke?
>"Completely different third mammal."
>Get the fuck out of here.
>"Alright."

>>10636419
In wonder what their story will be in the future chapters of Pack Street.

>>10636417
I think so too. Maybe in the film they will make detective

>>10636159
Pros:
>trigger finger discipline
>good size gun for bun

Cons:
>no markings on selector switch
>gun has ejection port (assuming) on left side while bun is right-handed -- hot brass in face
>selector switch not on thumb side
>OR selector switch is ambidextrous but other elements of gun are not
>IF gun is ambidextrous, no mag release button or level visible
>bolt looks locked back

6/10, see me after range class

>>10636437
fuck you bastard

>>10636404
It's implied that they're lawyers but no confirmation beyond that. otherwise, just regular business men that work office jobs.

>>10636450
something I also noticed was the Savages chapter showed pretty much every character except for Dewey
did he get mauled in Pandora's Box? is that why Don was sitting alone all depressed? thats what im thinking

>>10636525
You know, that's something that I thought too.
I play with the thought that they might become relevant in the later chapters.
Maybe something bad happens to Remmy which will end up in court.
And those two are then working as his lawyers.

>>10636518
God I wish I could hump her back too

>>10636533
also fuck you

Wow I just realized that the van Charlie borrows for the heist story is Finnick's,

>>10636583
wait really?

>>10636583
>borrows

>>10636594
source?

>>10636602

Its not specifically stated but the way it was described, plus that it apparently had a graphic on the side. Would be surprised if it wasn't

>>10636636
>Weaver having his special snowflake autistic "genius" confox knowing a canon character well enough to get favors from them.

I always knew he was a hack.

>>10636668
triggered

>>10636668

I think she said she found the van for rent on Craigslist

>>10636668
>a petty crook knows another petty crook

Color me shocked. And Charlie's various eccentricities are hardly portrayed in a positive light. I wouldn't exactly call her a genius either. More analytical and matter of fact.

>>10636444
>>10636252
>>10636002
>It's another "the twins are identical bisexuals no matter what Weaver says because he's wrong" episode.
Depraved omnisexual twins is a shit trope.

>>10636594
source?

>>10636668
>knowing a canon character well enough to get favors from them
"Of course," she responds, reaching under the car and pulling out a magnetic key box. "The ad on Camelslist was very specific. Have it back here with the fuel tank refilled by midnight and we won't have problems."

>>10636718
not your safeplace

>>10636636
I'm fairly certain he made the distinction that one of the doors had been replaced with a factory grey one.
It's the same van.

when will we finally know Rex's deepest lore?

>>10636668
>his oc isnt on canon character friends list
dummy retard.

>>10636771
>when will we finally know Rex's deepest lore?
We already found it out, in Fall Back.

>>10636159
Flak, you have a zoosona?

>>10636594
Source?

>>10636718
>no matter what Weaver says because he's wrong

Do you actually think those people were trying to rewrite Pack Street canon with innocent fetishposting?

>>10636594
Source

>>10636594
Source?

>>10636594
Source!

>>10636594
Source?

>>10636839
Jesus fuck Nick's face in this
Anyways

>段になってる
>うでたて
Push-ups on the edge of the stairs

>>10636594
Do you have the source for this image?

>>10637212
>>10637225
I choose to hide your shitty posts

big gay al

>>10636594
source?

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>>10637212
>>10637225

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>>10637212
Choose tltr

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Hello everybody!

I'm still looking for someone to read a short story for the end of Greentext Theater! If you would like to take the Storytime slot, let me know!

This next Greentext Theater will be at 6pm PST, but I don't have a day chosen yet, other than not Thursday.

Also, if you would like greentexts read, send them on over!

I'll be back in a bit!

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>>10637225
>>10637212
Please tell me you're actively trying to make people support the end of net neutrality by making those two posts.

>>10636594
source?

>>10637221
It's setusetu4649 on Twitter

>>10637274
source?

>>10637356
I wish you were lewder.

I wish your game was more successful than Raw Data.

I wish you had the time to play Lone Echo and really enjoy it.

All wishes used up!

>>10637404
he's dating a deer with horns

>>10637302
source?

>>10636594
DOST THOU POSSESS THE KNOWLEDGE OF ORIGIN

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>>10637451

>>10637452

Oh man I laughed so hard
It's setusetu4649

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>>10637463
This page was very complicated, my hand hurts.
All for now, the last two pages coming soon (I hope)

>doombposter deleted doombpost
why? it was cringy but in an amusing borba way

>>10637393
Thank you anon

>>10637485
A_Sig, you keep getting better and better! Really awesome page!

>>10637485
>last two pages coming soon
Damn dude, you're going all out on this one.

I see Brian, Alec, Lucius, Canidae and Paranon. Who're the two other tubes and the fox?

>>10636594
Looks like she just washed that tail, and can't do a thing with it!
Oh yeah, source?

Goodnight /ztg/ I'm off to bed.

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>>10637586
>and the fox?
I think that's Hamilton the grey fox

>>10637485
How do you like drawing food? Interesting to draw non character stuff?

>>10637625
>but it's 6 in the morning
night night, bunners

>>10637485
Wonderful work, asig! Take a rest, tubedude.

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>>10637625
Night night possibly fellow european anon friend!

Sooo... it's the 24th of July, the last day Gary Goldman can take action to prevent his lawsuit to be dismissed (which would be to present the actual full screenplay disney allegedly stole from)

I think I'm not the only one who thinks he won't show his face, am I?

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Wynn's Rinehart getting comfy.

A little bit of speed draw practice that turned into a somewhat acceptable thing. Still can't draw hands for the life of me though.

>>10637485
I'm loving these buddy! Can't wait to see the last two.

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>>10637877

We can dance, lads

>>10637783
if he hasnt shown anything by this point, i doubt he had any to begin with.
everything he did was a publicity stunt at best

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>>10637406
He's literally the lewdest bun already so that wish won't hit, maybe wish for him to make you a grilled cheese?

>>10637877
>>10637887
>expressionless
They're pretty serious about their dancing

>>10638045
I wish for him to lift that apron up in front.

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>>10638053
Can't you see they're having the time of their life?

Been thinking about lewds, lads.

>>10638297
of whom

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>>10637783
reminder

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>>10637961
I read the lawsuit, and knew it was bs. But other people like to judge without any insight on the actual problem. I remember every major news portar comment section was full with commens that "disney is the devil", "they deserve it, they steal all the time".

What do you think, Disney should
A, make more zoot merch now that the lawsuit is over and won.
B, Counter sue the bastard for damaging their reputation and make an example of him?

>>10637820
oh man, I love this, thanks a lot!

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Fell asleep before this got posted, thank you very much! Finnick is quite the playful scamp.

>>10638411
Hmm, yes, these are important face squooshes

>>10638411
Poor kitty, hoof brains are not for smooshing others.

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Greentext Theater will be held on Wednesday, 6pm PST! Join Nobby, Otterly and trashSavage as we read your greentexts!

>>10636159
AHHH! Its so amazing!

I love they way you make your characters look fluffy. Great job, Flak buddy!

>>10636958
>>10638411
>>10638389
Smooshing is a great compliment to booping. Well done, Wynn!

>>10637451
>>10637463
>>10637485
So many Zoosonas! I love the way the food looks, and love how much everyone's enjoying them. You always amaze me with your TT projects, A_Sig!

>>10637820
Aww, poor Rinehart. He needs a bigger mug of cocoa to help cheer him up.

Great drawing, ACA!

>>10637877
>>10637887
Buncrobats!

>>10637406
>>10638045
>>10638067
There will be no VRbit lewding in Greentext Theater. Against the rules.

I'm off to the gym, but I'll be back tonight! Take care, be well, and have a lot of fun today!

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>>10637552
>>10637820
>>10637753
Thanks!

>>10637586
>>10637709
You almost got them all!
You're missing a fox and tubedude, also a canon character hiding in plain sight

>>10637711
>How do you like drawing food? Interesting to draw non character stuff?
Yep, drawing stuff one is not used to help the growth immensely

>>10636594
source

>>10638371
never got too deep into it, but the initial evidence was pretty weak and i already assumed that this was going to go nowhere unless he showed more (which he probably wont). overall, i'm glad that it's over.

as for what disney will do:
>make more merch
that's definitely a plus to any fan but i doubt they'll ramp up production. they'll likely hold off until zoot 2 comes out
>counter sue the guy for defamation
i don't think he did much to damage disney rep. disney has so many IPs now that there's multiple ways to swing the crowd to their good graces. as for making an example out of him, i'm indifferent about it. i'd rather they don't but if they do, media can find ways to twist it into "big company sues little guy" and still paint them as the villain. so if they do choose to counter sue, they better not make a spectacle about it

>>10636594
good evening, gentleanon, would you be so kind as to point me in the direction of the original location where you found this picture ?

>>10638078
>I have to go now. My planet needs me

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Protojudy best Judy

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>>10638927

>>10638653

It's still insane how little merch they made for zoot, like it made a billion dollars, what else did it need to do

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>>10638927
>>10638939
True but Bonnie is clearly superior.

>>10638965
When was the last time you went into a disney store?

>>10638961
Things Just Ahegao

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Goodnight /ztg/!

Yo I don't really read these threads but does anyone know what happened to those pack street stories by tgweaver? He just stopped writing?

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>>10638998
Sleep tight tuber!

>>10638998
You have a goodnight Mr Tube, I'm sure you'll unlock the puzzle of taking those clothes off soon so you can be extra comfortable...

>>10639003
He's been roped into a guerilla army due to the civil war happening in his country.

>>10639003
He's finishing up Roommates, which is a story he wrote with another dude before returning to Pack Street.
A lot of anons think he's also writing Pack Street at the same time
I think he'll be done in two weeks

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>>10639003
He went on hiatus to finish his other project Roommates, then he is taking his Pack Street stories and throwing them up on A03. No idea when we will get more pack street stuff.

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Marty.

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>>10639120
Has bad taste. Canines>Felines.

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>>10639120
kissed a girl and liked it

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>>10639222
Martina.

>>10638939
I bet that outfit doesn't breath very well

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>>10637451
>>10637463
>>10637485
Great TT submission so far, moongose. A lot of bodies and faces, i assume you're learning a lot from this. Goodnight moongose

>>10637820
>draw hands
Try some quick warm up before going to hands. And yeah, they're hard

>>10638411
rip

>>10638961
Ahegao attack

>>10639003
busy atm, "pack street 2: a new ram in the pack" coming soon

>>10638970
i concur

>>10638998
>>10639017
He keeps his clothes on to help protect him against surprise lewding.

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Rich Moore said there would be skunks and possums if they did Zootopia 2

>>10639374
where?

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>>10639353
Clothed lewding is the best lewding.

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>>10639374
Possums?! RAD!

>>10639374
is that a bad thing?

>>10639419
yes, might as well have gypsies in your city.

>>10639374
>>10639410
Has anyone done a Habits / Zootopia crossover?

>>10639394
Sorry I can't remember the sources. Probably his twitter and one was definitely an interview. I believe he said possums got into the vending machines at the temp studio they were working in for Zootopia and that it's a sign they should be featured in the next movie. I think he said something similar in the vein of skunks, that they encountered one somehow and they hoped to include them next time.

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>>10639397
There will never be enough lewd Nick.

>>10639547
source?

>>10639535
it's been brought up before but i've never seen any art or story

what if: homosex

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>>10639581
Agreed.

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>>10639741
Happy times

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For those who missed it, earlier today Nobby drew what might be his lewdest Artemis and Sydney picture yet.

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>>10639741
>>10639775

>>10639909
best crackship. any more?

>>10639775
I wish there was more Nick asshole to go around

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>>10640070
There aren't too many good ones.

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>>10640070

Well anons, the blu-ray case I ordered finally arrived to replace the lost one I had lost. Tomorrow, I donate Zootopia to a library for a whole new generation of people to enjoy.

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Has Fuel ever done a straight up Nick x Judy lewd?

>>10640136
or for some middle aged furry creep to jack off to in his basement

>>10640172
>cheek nuzzles

Thats pretty lewd right there.

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>>10640172
no but...

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>>10640081
Perhaps there is... with the right tech.

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>>10640237
Jack topping is pretty rare, this is a more typical situation for him.

>>10640182
Hopefully not

>>10640136

Good job anon, plant the seeds of our eternal reign

>>10640136
Weren't you gonna put something in it?

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>>10640292

>>10636159
I don't think I sucked your dick last thread about how great you are
Cool art, bud.

>>10640172
Great, now I need Fuel NickJudy lewd in my life

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I'd like to see this but with Gideon.

>>10640292
>>10640237
>>10640372
If Jack is Nick, does this counts as incest?

Zootopia except there's no exceptions

>>10640444

Metaphorically speaking, I believe so

>>10640501
That's hot.

>>10640476
Zootopia except everyone is everyone's sibling

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Made a thing.

>>10640347
The corruption will never end

>>10640597
artist name?

>>10640600
>corruption
Nick and Judy go through a portal and end up in a forest by a stream
a male imp attacks

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>>10640597
Is a good thing.

>>10640597
Is that Gideon?

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>>10640614
Byron Howard

>>10640597
Nice one WAGA, it looks like Nick likes the rough stuff.

>>10639138
I really hope you don't think foxes are felines
Though you are right about one thing: his sense of taste is awful.

Who likes grape flavoured anything?

>>10640597
Love dommebun

>>10640622
>Nick claws at the imp, and the imp falls to the ground in defeat.
>Before he can question the creature, it leaves behind a small bottle and scurries away.

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>>10640579
We're all siblings now.

Don't lewd your siblings.

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>>10640622
>CoC

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>>10635932

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>>10640597

>>10635932
>>10640809
As someone who headcanons that Maid Marion and Robin Hood are Nick's parent's, that flirty expression makes me uncomfortable

>>10640853
Nick would be staring at Judy out of view
or maybe he has a big thing for daddy

>>10640853
It's just fox culture, don't be so insensitive, anon.

>>10640833
And then she never saw him again

>>10640597
Is this wagas first lewd!? I approve whole heartedly regardless

>>10640597
all my yes

>>10640995
Why is Gideon modeling clothes?

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>>10639823
>tfw I thought these two might remain as the OCs to never be lewded

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>never forget, nobby
>never :v

You guys realize weaver is never going to canonize all your lewd dreams and hopes. Remmy is gonna die alone.

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>>10641030
someone saw him wearing sun glasses and thought he would make a great model, they just made him lost a few pounds and the rest is photoshop.

>>10641119
Was that someone blind?

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>>10641175
Silly Anon.

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said i wouldn't have time today but i turned out to be a lying whore who lies

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>>10641225
also a shitpost from a convo with an IRL friendo expressing my feelings about a certain under+/overanimated sparkledog and how my interests are pretty much strictly zootopia

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>>10641046
Nobby didn't seem to want to lewd them at first, but then he gave it and it was wonderful.

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Hello loyal citizens. I hope your day today has been productive and compliant with the city's guidelines!

>>10641274
You can hate her but you can't deny she's well animated

>>10641439
im nitpicky at small things in the animation, i don't hate the character
just like dont give a tit about her since she's not zoot

>>10641359
Judy there looks ready to lay a beatdown on some unruly preds

why are ungulates the best prey?
fucking squirrel and bunny shits are awful compared to them

>>10641563
>Judy meets Henrietta on the streets
>cuts to Judy beating down on the yeen
>All she did was say fuck really loudly

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>>10641577
The floofy tails mostly.

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I want to suck on Nick's dirty foxhole until he cums

>>10641609
That is so fucking gross.

>>10641609
skye plz

I want to rub Al's tummy

>>10641577
>why are ungulates the best prey?
Because horns are fabulous and dexterity is overrated.

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>>10641609

>>10641587
Just lays down the law, even on swirlyeeners

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>>10641609
>>10641677

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>>10641587
In zootopia, anyone can be anything. Including obedient.

I just want a big wolf boy to wrap me in his arms as he falls asleep, is that too much to ask?

>>10641091
What can I say except, "you're welcome?"

>>10641609
>>10641804
>>10641649
you can go to /gfur/ and stop spamming this general with your autism :v

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>>10641827
at least I dont sign my posts with a fucking signature

>>10640597
Dat file size

>>10641867
Is that todd howard?

>>10641827
>/gfur/
>/ztg/
What's the difference?

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>>10641577
What is the best hoofer and why is it donkeys?

>>10641752
I cant believe Judy promotes police brutality on [semi] innocent yeens.

>>10641927

Easy, the ass puns

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>>10641927

>>10641895
/ztg/ constantly sucks weaver's dick

>>10637356
I just listened to your post mortem Comic. It was great though it was super long. I have so much more appreciation for Bunny Investigator and all the work and collaboration that went into it. Props to you for finishing it, I think many other people in your shoes would have quit.

You really produced some major quality, you should be proud!

https://soundcloud.com/comicanon/jack-savage-bunny-investigator-post-mortem

>>10641927
Is this from what I think it's from.

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>>10641827

>autism
>the gays activates his almonds enough to post about it

>>10641984
But that's everywhere he goes.
You might as well have said "Weaver has posted in /ztg/"

>>10641984
Jokes on you I haven't even read pack street.

>>10642026
>shitposter
>go fuck yourself before another janitor comes along and deletes all your samefag posts again

>>10642058
That was so sick yesterday

>>10642058
>unironically an antigayfag
where do you think you are

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such colorful people in /trash/

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>>10642083
a straight, christian board full of wholesome wildehopps

>>10642105
that's racist

>>10642083
showing the truth to the blind [spoiler]and those of shit taste[/cantspoiler]

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>>10642111
Finally, I found the board for me!

>>10642130
first day in trash bucko?

Guys would SAW exist in zootopia.

I imagine itd be easier to do since some larger mammal could make a bunch of small traps for a rodent.

>>10641827
not your saefspace, kiddo

>>10641867
not your space of safety :p

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Hey, zoopals! Fanart here!

Been trying to get out of my summer funk so here's some Total Reclaw AU! I also have plans to try and do Valley of the Wind and Castle in the Sky AU's with the possibility of doing Princess Mononoke AU's?

Anyway, enjoy!

im gay

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>>10642105

>>10642136
Why does Judy look worried?

Possibly because of foxdick on honeymoon night?

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>>10642153
he gets it. this guy gets it

>>10641979
How many times has he wheeled over that thing with his little donkey-cart?

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>>10642163

>>10642161
Super adorbs! I'd love to see a Mononoke AU

>>10642170
>this is not Gideon

>>10642178
some say hes been wheeling that cart for over four hundred years

>>10642142
Yeah and I'm on a roll

>>10642161
great pic, fanart. Excellent lighting, as always

>>10642163
Hey me too.

You ever get accused of turning someone gay? You ever get asked if you ever thought you'd be accused of turning someone gay? I had that sprung on me this weekend and it was weird, like there's suspicions and someone was gauging my reaction.

>>10642161
Missed your art these past TTs
Love your lighting, this shit is awesome

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>>10642170

>>10642161
I'm always enamoured by the lighting in your pics FA, it's so well done.
You kinda picked a shitpost-y time to post it though. Re-shill it in the next thread too.

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What are the best images and writings involving Cutie Polecat Boi?

>>10642371
Apart from canon stuff, Hasty wrote some bomb ass stories about SS characters

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>>10642015
It's much better if you just crop out everything non-donkey.

>>10642058
>incorrectly using le maymay arrows 'cause he's mad
>janitors on /trash/

>>10642448
source out of the thread please?

>>10642161
>wants to do two of the best with the possibility of doing all time greatest
now that's what i call based

>>10642144
>time to build a better mousetrap
this goes back to my idea that you can create little isolated pockets of dystopia using entrapped mouse communities.
all in the name of science, of course.

as for torture trap ideas, i've had this thought about a mini guillotine that incrementally chops off your tail. it starts at the tip and moves closer and closer to the base.

I feel like being cozy and watching a Disney film besides Zootopia. Any suggestions? I just watched Hercules so anything but that

>>10642286
You ever get accused of being a mistake of nature? Cause you are

>>10642543
Cars2

>>10642161
Good heavens I adore your lighting work.

>Studio Ghibli crossover works.

Fucking yes.

>>10642543
lady and the tramp?

>>10642543
alladin is tops for me

>>10642489
It's from a fetish comic I swear.

>>10642543
ratatouille is my favorite

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>>10642567
look at this faggot and laugh.

>This assblasted over homos in a fucking ztg thread

>>10642543
Hunchback of Notre Dame is surprisingly good to watch at an older age. Let's you appreciate all the rapey stuff Frollo had going on. Also how Quasi had dementia and imagined those statues, probs was retarded too

>>10640833
Don't worry, the asteroid is coming...

>>10640864
He's out there fucking that little grey bunny;
Bastard!

>>10640833
You know I used to have somewhat respect for this because Sprinkah kept trying to improve, but right now shit really went a bit lazy.

>>10642543
emperor's new groove

>>10642567
FACT: Heterofags only exist to breed gay people.

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>>10642489
Sorry, anon. I can't find a title page.
Maybe the artist is just as embarrassed as we are.

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>>10642684
oh fuck thats a good one. I said Aladin at first but I'd rather watch this tbqh.

>>10642612
Ratatouille sucks balls. Every cliche in the story stuffed into a Frog, I mean, French protagonist and a rat that cooks. Big Deus ex Machina ending. Boring and stupid kid garbage from beginning to end

>>10641274
>>10641439
You could say she's 'upwardly mobile'.

>>10641684
Hasn't anybody fixed this yet?