Official Pony Thread skitty is mad at the "anime"

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>>10625246
Why skitty?

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Testing

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>>10625258

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>>10625303
Welcome back, what are you up to today?

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>>10625289
reasons

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>>10625303
eavesdropping. Hello.

What are you up too?

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>>10625339
Is nick stopping by tonight?

Why is skitty always mad?

>>10625335


>>10625387

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>>10625409
I'm asking how you're doing and hoping I get a better answer this time.

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>>10625258
>skitty is mad at the "anime" posters again.
>hurf durr ur mad!!!

I just recognize the fact that the majority of anime obsessed weebs here are fucking garbage with the rare exception of people like miracle who's just a depressed alpha sub.

The world would be a slightly better place without your garbage

>>10625408
t. assblasted anime detected

>>10625394
dunno

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>>10625458

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I'm just going to post this here again.

I refuse to accept the view that bread is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of anime posters that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. Anime is what brings ignorance, cheapness, hatred, pretentiousness, desperation, cruelty, brutality, all these things that will keep bread chained to the ground, one foot nailed to the floor. We must eradicate anime in order to secure a bright future for these thread.

Allowing anime posters to mingle freely in our midst is the biggest mistake you have ever made that directly jeopardizes the health and integrity of these threads.

Now bread is going through a slow and total corrosion. You are probably looking back on things now thinking, "At some point, the corrosion will stop. There is no way anime will be able to eat through this next thing."

"This next thing is too important to me."

But then it does.

And then you realize you are dealing with an inhuman power that cannot be stopped because you let it deeply embed itself in what you love and that the 8ch menace was never the last enemy known to bread, but the worst enemy of all is among us, and you allowed it.

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>>10625535
If you wanted smug anime girls, then you should have just asked

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>>10625535
What do "anime posters" do to cause this skitty?

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>>10625258
you saved a pony

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>>10625535

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>>10625573
>this guy doesn't like anime posters
>LOL I KNOW IMMA POST SMUG ANIME FAICES AT HIM XD
>HAHA THAT'LL GET'EM

You're so witty anon.

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>>10625588
Wasn't here or didn't notice all my other OPs.

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huh.... that pepe doesn't look the same way it does on 8ch...

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>>10625620
probably both.
is pink bright your favorite one?

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>>10625644
I asked some people which one I should post.

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>>10625583
You're literally the enemy.

I don't reveal intel with the enemy.

That is treason.

>>10625663
because you came here trying to turn the threads into fucking nachi shit

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>>10625731
What if I had had posted exactly the same but used a pony instead?

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The problem is with the people not with anime specifically.

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>>10625452
Oh I am fine and hoping I get a real answer too.

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>>10625731
Party time is over? Isn't it?

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>>10625758
you would be significantly worse because what you describe is literally the equivalent of slaughtering one of us to wear their fleshy carved out face skin as a mask to hang out with us

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>>10625841
Whoops I meant what you're doing but I doing good just listening to the Cracked Podcast.

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he can have my face.
I'm not using it anyways.

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>>10625868
But I actually watch the show so I would be wearing a "mask".

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>>10625901
... what

also you keep using quotations in ways they are not intended to be used

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>>10625934

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>>10625880
Ohhh, lol. Just playing rocket league while lurking.

I see, what topic are they discussing about today?

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>>10625958
why are you so terrible with the only language you know?

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>>10625962
Where they'd all be if the internet was never invented.

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>>10626000
hmm. So where would you be if the internet was never invited?

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>>10625986
So what else are you doing while posting at me skitty?

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>>10626029
please, sir.
may I get the source for these pictures?

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>>10626029
I'd probably have done something like become a social worker or something.

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>>10626040
ENOUGH!!!!
The answers end here.
Today begins a new indefinite era of unfiltered skitty!

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>>10626218
If your unfiltered wouldn't that mean you'd answer my questions truthfully? You're putting a filter on by not answering things I ask you.

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>>10626248
i mean filtered in the sense that imma tell you what i really am thinking, and that was what i was thinking. and by that i mean "ENOUGH!!!"

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>>10626049
I fianlly found the link. https://derpibooru.org/tags/artist-colon-xieril

>>10626081
A social worker? why a social worker?

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>>10626276
I thought you've said before that that's what you were using /b/read for anyway, to say things or talk about stuff your friends wouldn't understand. Have you been holding more of yourself back from us this whole time?

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>>10626328
you're a saint, thunder.
many thanks.

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>>10626328
I'm good with people in person so I assume if the internet wasn't a thing I would have pursued something that had to do with interacting with people as the main focus.

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>>10626355
Are you getting drunk tonight rose?

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>>10625535

You are just angry because western cartoons can't be waifus unlike Anime.

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>>10626376
no.

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>>10626331
You thought wrong. You probably read me suggest once that what I say here are things I typically wouldn't say to others in person and then came to the conclusion that this particular thing is why I come here.

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>>10626428
What are you up to tonight then?

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>filtered me: don't be an ass to interrogator and darwin, they're just socially autistic and can't help themselves
>real me: lmao fuck those guys, be an ass to them

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>>10626447
yep.

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>>10626355
You're quite welcome, but you don't have to flatter me, I'm anyone else would have done the same.

>>10626362
Makes sense, so what are you pursuing now since the internet exist?

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>>10626441
Well why do you come here skitty?

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>>10626477
I'm the leadman on 2nd shift at a production facility.

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>>10626464

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>>10626521
sorry.

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>>10626496
The gruesomely outlandish spin on social interaction that occurs in these threads occasionally make for a captivating theatre.

I like to use it as my personal notepad that sometimes responds to the things I put in it.

Let me also note that I have actually told you this for the 3rd time since you have come here, yet you forget.

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>>10626559
I was hoping for a new unfiltered response.

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>>10626572
There was #NOFILTERE in that post.

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>>10626592

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>>10626514
Here I thought you'd be some kind of detective.
What products do you look look over?

You already know he comes here to flirt with furries.

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>>10626647
I'm not going to get into specifics but I work with plastic.

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>>10626679
You don't know me, bud.

#DON'TJUDGE

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>>10626679
He's been throwing a fit the whole time you've been gone.

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I'm the detective around here.
ask me anything about anyone. I'll answer with staggering accuracy.

>>10626714
tell me who rose has a crush on

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>>10626735
I told you a few hours ago.
you asshole.

>>10626713
So nothing new happened.

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>>10626756
I didn't ask you that a few hours ago.
you asshole.

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>>10626772
you didn't.
but I still told you.

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>>10626714
hehe, ok Detective Rose.
Got any info on Darwin?

>>10626685
Aww, does this mean I won't get to hear your work related horror stories?

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>>10626794
This isn't the kind of accuracy I was expecting.

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>>10626821
ask away.
I am a cesspool of information.

>>10626843
>>10624339

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>>10626869
so your definition of accuracy is blatant lie

got it

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>>10626889
just because you choose not to believe it doesn't make it a lie.

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>>10626769
So why do YOU come here?

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>>10626821
I got my hand with a pneumatic hand router that had the saw blade attachment on. I don't have any horror stories yet.

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>>10626957
i'll turn that booty into a horror story when im done with it swiggity swooty

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>>10627055
I thought you were exclusively a bottom?

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>>10627083
more blatant misconceptions and misinterpretations
are you fucking cnn?

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>>10627120
So what did you have to eat today skitty?

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>>10627179
kys

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>>10627202

>>10626923
To invade the community with anime.

I mean, for the people, ya know.

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>>10627422
lmfao

>>10627438
what kind of ppl are on your target list

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>>10627466
You.

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>>10627488
no but really

>>10627500
Yes, but really.

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>>10627522
go and never return

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>>10627634

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>>10627634
What now?

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>>10627634
Recommend a manga series skitty!

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>>10627855
>reading
do you think im some kinda retard???

>>10627668
I don't like you nor your friend. Like jews you're bad news.

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>>10627936
Welcome back Raptor, any plans for the rest of today?

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>>10627957
Yes! Now pick a mango!

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>>10627981
This one's my favorite so far
https://www.amazon.com/Moon-Twilight-Saga-Stephenie-Meyer/dp/0316024961/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=A8QY28642S8E7BYM96AV

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>>10627976
Dinner and game

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>>10627981
Just one manga, any manga!

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>>10628009
...this is Twilight.

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>>10628027
http://junji-ito-index.tumblr.com/the-index

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>>10628009
Just how original IS this Skittish?

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>>10628094
99% of what I say is parroted information I obtained elsewhere.

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>>10628152
So more original than the last version which had 99.9% reused information, nice

The other 1% is his delusional, paranoid nonsense.

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>>10628172
>>10628172
pshh

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>>10628186
You're just saying words like usual.

What of my observations I make are delusional?

>>10628241
>>10626889

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>open up thread
>skitty is apparently being a schizo again
lmao

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>>10628283
rose was joking dumbass

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>>10628303
>calls others schizos
>yet lives in filth like a pig in a pigsty
>thinks he's not the schizo

U huh lol

>>10628241
>>10628333

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Is there hope for him still?

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>>10628303
I've been hoping nick would show up so he'd stop for awhile.

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>>10628339
very funny fag

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>>10628333
i don't accuse people of conspiring in retard tier plots every other day
>>10628354
you need to learn to enjoy and accept the skitty

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There is no conspiring okay? Paranoid idiots.

you guys have an entire board to yourselves, yet you reserve the intention to take up OUR board. Why?

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>>10628417
You willingly chose the trash as YOUR board?

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>>10628417
>Your board
I'm sorry, who is this? The fart fuckers, furries, ERPers, or hunger games faggots?

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>>10628391
>he thinks the anime boogeyman isn't real
You're too far gone.

Either that or you're one of them!

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last night while i was drinking at my friend's place his mom cracked open the door while I was doing stuff in their living room and she asked if I could help her get something so I'm like sure and walked into her room, I can't even remember what it was because I was really drunk and all I remember was talking to them before going, but she was just in really skimpy lingerie and I was like holy shit this is awkward and wanted to leave but didn't want to be rude

>>10628530
i've been saying "remove anime" in the discord and other places for a couple of weeks now

Conclusively proving that Skitty is a massive fag.

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>>10628645
neck urself bub

>>10628642
then what fugin delusional conspiracies are you talking about specifically retard

>>10628443
>the fart fuckers
The fuggin WHAT?? lol
pls tell me this isn't a real thing

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>>10628686
Unfortunately yes
>>10552864

>>10628686
you're conflating separate things, like posters which use anime pictures with people from the anime circlejerk

the latter aren't even in these threads unless you count darwin, which would be a retarded thing to point out as if it's a new thing

ur fukn wacko

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>>10628686
How have you NEVER seen their threads on the catalog before?

I just scrolled up and noticed the plagiarized version of MLK's Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, so Skitty is obviously conspiring with niggers to bring down the threads.

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>>10628741
So you had to basically devise your own plot and accuse me of it in other words. Cool.

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>>10628768
I don't venture outside of this thread on this board.

I don't pay attention to anything that doesn't show up when I search "pony thread" in the catalog to find this thread.

I have a dream that my fellow posters will one day post in a thread where they will not be judged by the content of their posts, but by the anime character of their avatar.

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>>10628733
These people confuse and frighten me.

>>10628798
my post contained no plot you god damn fucking lunatic holy fucking shit how are you allowed near children??

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>>10628849
>he didn't just fabricate a plot suggesting I'm conflating two different groups and this is the source of my delusions
No, you totally did schizo

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I fabricated a plot for him to bitch at, but he goes for your harmless observation. What the fuck?

This is fantastic.

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>>10628907
You're just saying words now.

Speaking of conspiracies, I forgot to watch Twin Peaks.

>>10628946
>tfw you're so unoriginal you have to resort to plagiarizing memes
You will hear from my lawyers.

anime ust be destroyed from the inside, if we're to make any progress in the eradication of the anime menace in these threads then we will have to dismantle them at the source.

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>>10628907
i don't think i will ever be able to comfortably have children as long as you are still alive somewhere on this planet
>>10628926
r u conspiring with me now
>>10628987
that phrase is something you literally picked up off me/antics god i hate you

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Does anyone know where is the source?

>>10629012
don't you see though

anime is dying already, that's why they are leaking out everywhere

they're like disgusting refugees

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>>10629019
That's what makes it all the more hilarious.

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Nippon.

>>10629019
Yes, but it is our secret.

i see it all now

skitty's paranoid schizophrenia is a false flag that is distracting us from the fact that he is the one conspiring and we should be paranoid of him

and even once we confirm that he is up to no good, he will just turn around all of our arguments onto us and call us schizophrenic

Shut it down.

[ominous rumbling]

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>>10629039
the metaphorical great anime wall was their ability to be contained within one anime circlejerk on /b/

but with that being banned several years ago, it was the equivalent of kicking a wasps nest, they aren't dying, they simply scattered out and have begun to attack everything near it. your misconceptions are a weakness they use to their advantage

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>>10629092
>>10629093
>1 post apart

now without the great anime wall, they're spilling over everywhere, it's like what happened to europe when they killed libya

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>>10629101
Are you talking about the anime cj or us?

You are asking him questions as if he knows what he is doing.

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>>10629085
Schizo

>>10629101
no

the bans forced them into a cave where they sat in the darkness alone for years eating nothing but moss and other fungus, but now they have ran out of fungus and bat droppings to eat and have to venture out to other circlejerks for sustenance, but now they are all disease ridden little rat people that just spread a plague of ebola everywhere they go that they got from eating the rat shit that is the content of their threads

>>10629151
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU WOULD DO AND NOW YOU'RE DOING IT

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>>10629161
So they are like those creatures form The Descent?

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>can't keep up with Skitty's layers of irony

>>10629180
i haven't seen that movie, but i'm sure it is a good comparison

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>>10629141
anime posters in general, in particular the ones from the cj AND the ones who'd have potentially been part of their cj if they were still contained to a thread on a popular board that could feed their lust for attention, but are instead now here, like darwin and interrogator.

>>10629149
t. anime in damage control mode

>>10629172
Yeah but you only did that "he'll flip it around on me" thing because you knew your paranoid schizo delusions would be recognized as such, so you were just kinda trying to self guard against it.

itt everyone is a delusional paranoid schizo

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>>10629233
Darwin has been posting here as long as any of us, Interrogator did not come from the anime cj.

See >>10629149

>>10629233
you know what i see when i see that post?

i see you talking about yourself, you know you have a problem but can't accept it and have to pretend someone else has that problem

i see a skitty crying for help

but i'm not going to help you

coz ur a faggot retard

The Skitties are not what they seem.

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This anime is really heating up.

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>>10629255
He's saying if the anime cj was still around that darwin and I would be there instead.

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>>10629255
I didn't say Interrogator was from the anime circlejerk. Also the fact Darwin's been one of the anime scoundrels plaguing these threads for a very long time does nothing to remediate how terrible they are.

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>>10629276

fey is just doing that thing where they blindly take sides against whoever the most ppl are riled up against and will try to argue things they think the other person is arguing

I can already tell fey thinks this is all serious and they're like "omg he actually thinks all these things wtf!!"

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This poster sure has a bone to pick.

Is he choosing to ignore the other 20 times posters from other communities posted in pony threads and the same paranoid shit was spewed by an angry Serbian adolescent?

classic fey

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Hmmm who is mad at me lately?

Me.

when you don't listen to aeris you get things like the current discord

MULTICULTURAL HELLHOLES

aeris supported ethnic cleansing, the hero we need

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Who?

>>10629335
AERIS was one of the ONLY good anime posters because they were one of us engineered to be an optimal machine against the deterioration of these threads. You on the other hand are engineered EXCLUSIVELY to destroy us from within. Look what you've already done to Fey. This is YOUR FAULT.

Pretty sure the hormones did that.

aeris literally did nothing wrong

aeris tried to lead the mass of retards away from the inevitable demise that was /mlp/

they did not listen

and now they suffer eternally

they suffer in a constant cycle of having to respond to their e-boyfriends shitty pony picture, only for them to respond with another pony picture

this goes on forever

no other content is made anymore, no discussion or discourse

only exchanges of shipped ponies that have no meaning anymore

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What a quality discussion about 6 year old horse drama. I will certainly try to take this less seriously.

true hell

Layers of irony.

>>10629450
psure the reason it's so shit imo is because, as urshula pointed out, they have this autistic rule where you shouldn't be posting unless you're a content creator and people sperg out over anyone trying to have silly fun that isn't exclusively content creation, like making up stories or creating art
if you go there and do anything that isn't that, or sharing images while making damn sure you don't follow a pattern that could be considered as avatarfagging then you'll get banned or muted for a while

Hahahahahahahaha.

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Wait is this the anime cj for real? Is that where the horrible smell came from?

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>>10629361
>>10629350
>>10629333
>>10629467
ANIME GET OUT!!!

>>10629517
i have no fucking idea what you're talking about and haven't been on ponychan outside of one random drunk rant but i'm pretty sure that is not at all a thing unless you're talking about /mlp/ which is not what i was referring to god damn it fuck you

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>>10629529

>>10629531
>>10629542
reddit get gone

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Interrogator just had to ruin it.

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I have no fucking idea what's going on right now. Why is this person posting Dementia?

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Did you enjoy watching them surround my posts with bully, Darwin.

Which one?

>>10629599
they are trying to spread the next cartoon character that will inspire a killing spree

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>>10629540
>aeris tried to lead the mass of retards away from the inevitable demise that was /mlp/
>hey did not listen
...
>they suffer...
>this goes on forever
>no other content is made anymore...

>/MLP/
>(((/MLP/)))
>I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT MLP YOU FUCK!!!!

If you were talking about ponychan then fucking mention it somewhere you fucking special educations fugitive, ponychan has no fucking /mlp/ board so when you say /mlp/, people think you're talking about the fucking site you're using.

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What about Demencia inspires killing? Are you okay?

>>10629553
>equating pepe to reddit

You are the cancer.

Yes, of course.

>>10629626
it was all implied you god damn fucking shit and the topic of the discussion was the splinter group that was on /mlp/ and then moved to the other sites, /mlp/ itself wasn't really the topic of discussion god damn why the fuck do i have to constantly explain to people in this community how to follow a fucking conversation what the fuck, this is fucking effort, this is fucking work

pay me

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Love and tolerance.

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>>10629656
if you had just done the job right in the first place, then you wouldn't have to return to fix your mistakes.

>>10629644
reddit does not create

reddit only aggregates

your line of logic would lead to nothing being reddit, because reddit only takes shit from other sites, like 4chan

when clearly there are things that are reddit

like rage comics, they are reddit or at least were reddit, even though they were originally a chan thing

you are reddit

quit fucking redditing at me you god damn fuck

DOWNVOTED

>>10629665
it's a weakness, unacceptable .

He did it right; you just have no reading comprehension.

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>>10629685
pepe is still a 4chan thing, idunno what alternate internet universe you're living in.

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>>10629687
nah, you're just being a salty fuck like usual and taking sides like a faggot

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How has your night been Interrogator?

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I am slightly worried people are associating anons with me.

>>10629703
pepe is in a constant state of flux

which allows me to call it whatever the fuck i want and still be right

i would only be wrong if i said pepe wasn't a chan thing, which i did not say

do not even try to words with me, my wordsmithing is flawless

>>10629726
you're associating yourself with anons

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>>10629726
there are only very few who can't tell pseudo anons apart, even then, you have unique filenames most of the time

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>>10629720
It's been alright but I can't get skyrim to start back up again.

am gay

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>>10629758
Too many porn mods.

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>>10629734

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>>10629787
Wait so you think that stuff about me Skitty?

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>>10629805
What stuff?

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>>10629770
I found a save that works, I think it's because of all the animations I have loaded.

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>>10629787
back to what matters though

heil aeris

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>>10629814
Ah nevermind phew. <3

>>10629818
"animations"

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every night before i go to bed I pray that god let there be an anime thread on /b/ so darwin and his friends could go and circlejerk together about how i don't understand his special and complex ways

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and keep them away from here
maybe one day he will listen

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Let it go man it was memes.

>>10629939
anime must be removed

>>10629939
im too busy praying

the problem is skitty is trying to deport the native americans along with the rest of the mexicans because he's such a fuckwit that the thinks the native americans are the same thing as the mexicans who came here illegally

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And that is an analogy.

skitty is an ignorant redneck bigot

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That was mad.

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skittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskittyskitty

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>>10629962
i can't hear your retard logic over my boner

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>>10629987
yes ma'am?

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>>10630007
can you take a break from removing anime posters for a second for me?

he hasn't removed anything

he's all talk

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>>10630016
awww, ohkay cutie~

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>>10630050
the derpi script stopped loading and I'm not sure why
it still works when pasted directly in the console but fuck that
can you look into it?

*jots down rk to the removal list*

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>>10630063
But RK is our resident Polishman!
His nation is LITERALLY helping to save western civilization!
You can't remove RK!

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>>10630072
He's been corrupted, they're obviously using him for leverage. He is their weapon now, unfortunately.

>>10630062
I don't have firefox so I'm guessing it's might have something to do with greasemonkey because it's' still working perfectly fine for me.

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>>10630082
LOL

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>>10630091
why would you assume me
>2019
>using slowfox

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>>10630101
Confirmed for using firefox until 2019

>>10630091
Someone needs to contact Orban from Hungary!
He might be able to save RK!

>>10630101
>slowfox
>the only browser that best utilizes the GPU with electrolysis

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>>10630095
I get this on page load
doesn't happen in private mode with tampermonkey off

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>>10630101
because the current year is 3 * 16 * the answer to life, the universe and everything + 1 and the majority of the patrons here are still using firefox, so I just assume I'm the only chrome user.

I'll rephrase it then, it might have something to do with tampermonkey because it's' still working perfectly fine for me, so I can't figure it out unless I was on your machine and we should be running exactly the same script so I don't see the problem.

This is my script https://pastebin.com/Gwnba1KB

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Electrolytes, it's what GPU's crave.

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>>10630153
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3boy_tLWeqA

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>>10630140
looks like you have something creating what is obviously suggested there, a content security policy that restricts the browser from loading resources that aren't from itself and the domains listed there. I don't get that on my side.

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>>10630033
>he hasn't removed anything
>yet the anime menace is gone
>the thread is 10x better as a result of this

YOU WERE SAYING!

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>>10630180

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>>10630180
It's like... the air has finally cleared, the thick oppressive atmosphere is gone and I can finally breathe again!

can people be born without a pupil and just the eye like that?

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>>10630185

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniridia

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MARBLES

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>>10630203
So what makes an anime poster an anime poster skitty?

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wtf
I even used https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/disable-content-security/ieelmcmcagommplceebfedjlakkhpden, that got rid of the console error but it still doesn't fucking load

and yes, I'm using the same version

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Sup everypony?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ottANpOE2Nc

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>>10630271
Hey Rubles, how're you?

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>>10630271
Antagonizing skitty by my mere presence .

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>>10630250
I use that on certain sites too.

Anyway try replacing tab spaces white white spaces, you say it works if you run it from the console? Maybe it's some issue to tampermonkey itself.

>>10630223
>>10630218
D::

these ppl have fucked up pupils but.. I wonder how many people have absolutely NO pupils... and imagine being born that way, that would suck, useless eyes.

>>10630211
this doesn't look as cool as I thought it would, in fact it doesn't look cool at all.

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>>10630278

Doing alright. Chilling back, kinda bored.

>>10630286

I don't see how anypony could find you antagonizing.

>>10630224
Anime.

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>>10630342
He's been reee'ing for the pass 12 hours or so.

harassing skitty for 12 hours should be a federal crime

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>>10630342
True true, Do you play many video games?
If you like FPS/3rdPS I highly recommend Playerunknowns Battlegrounds.

>retarded bitch that I had to kick out of my house for being unable to drink like a normal person and instead turned into a shouting histrionic emotional mess of feelings is trying to add me on facebook

REEEEEe

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>>10630286
Bitch you're not antagonizing ANYONE

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>>10630435
So I'm not ruining the thread according to you?

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>>10630448
Yes, that is an accepted fact. I'm comfortable with this information. However, that doesn't mean I won't do anything within my power to cure the cancer that is you.

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>>10630457
How am I cancer if I'm not antagonizing or ruining the thread?

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>>10630339
done that too and shit still won't work