Endtown thread - They Hate Us Because We Hiatus Edition Mos

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Latest "strip".

To any new people or anyone who didn't see: Aaron Neathery is currently very ill from his recurrent leg infection and as the image says, he will be taking a break until the 17th of July.

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Meanwhile we have not one, but two fan-comics, from Pen Anon and Crit Anon.

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(Hope you two don't mind me reposting these)

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>>10178952
It's cool on my end man, thanks for posting them up.

>>10178151
Shit man, that's practically enough for a comic itself. Can't wait to see what you got planned.

>>10178792
Best of luck to you with your drawing endeavors. Drawing in someone else's style is always a challenge.

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>>10178952
I don't mind. I've been trying to emulate Aaron's paneling but, now looking at it I like the vertical form better.

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>>10179212
Good. Looking forward to what you both come up with.

I suppose I should also post this note from Aaron from last thread, which I guess must have come from a Patreon email?

"Hello, all! First, the bad news; my by-now infamous leg has become infected yet again and Endtown will be going on hiatus for three weeks. As of Monday morning, I do not know if this will require hospitalization, but I will know by the end of the day once the blood tests have been completed . Either way, I'll be in a antibiotic allergy haze for the duration. Frankly, this stinks. But there are chronic conditions that stink far worse than this, so I count my blessings. I'll keep everyone posted.

The good news? Hopefully I'm not jumping the gun on this, but there is another Endtown side-project in the works. Not to let the cat fully out of the bag, I can say that I'm on board as a writer/supervisor, my co-writer is a very talented friend whom I'm excited to be working with, and that the artist is absolutely top-notch. Fingers crossed."

>>10179212
Huh.. now I can really appreciate the effort you do staying on-model with those two.

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>>10180524
90% of it is to put the squiggle under the eyes.

>>10181254
That squiggle has a lot to do with it, PA isn't kidding there. There's also a level of detail in Aaron's drawings like folds in clothes and using lines to suggest contours in the body, even when simplified.

why is this continuing

>>10181621
>folds in clothes and using lines to suggest contours in the body, even when simplified
This. From that alone you can tell Heather has a great figure. Too bad about her literal horseface.

>>10186411
I still can't believe Aaron said animal bits are canon. Just... why?

>>10187233
I've always thought it was a misinterpretation. Someone probably asked him if they were "Anatomically Correct", meaning "Do they have animal parts?", and Aaron read it as "Do they have parts at all or are they like Barbie dolls?", and said yes.

As for Jim and Sarah's mutual reactions... munchkin anthros just have universal micropenis? Look at Farx - he's pantsless and you can't see anything...

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Friday upd8 for you all!

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>>10192299
Nice work CA!

I like the bearded guy.

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>>10192773
Thank you! His character was more or less inspired by that panel so I'm glad you're digging him! Topsiders seem like they really extol their humanity to a fanatical degree, to the point where everyone else is subhuman and therefore not suitable for continued survival. Hence where that 'humanity fuck yeah!' attitude comes from.

Where Aaron dehumanizes Topsiders to the audience, the mutants literally are dehumanized to them, so it's really interesting how that divide works.

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>>10193150
I know that Aaron tries to dehumanize them but he doesn't do a very good job of it, because, some of their lines are the best in the comic.

>>10192299
This is getting good - nice, snappy dialogue.

>>10193150
Makes me wonder if Topsider helmet AR systems mess with more than just the faces of fellow Topsiders. I think there was a video game about that, once.

>>10194239
>Frank, please tell me you didn't install the catgirl mod on your helmet.
>It's my helmet and I'll do as I damn well please, Neko-chan.

>>10195622
>Topsiders eventually defeated by hacking their AR units to make all mutants appear as extrapolated humans

>>10195622
>VR mods
>a Topsider installs furry mods on his VR display
Hilarious irony

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>>10178952
Here's part 2. (Alternative name: Please don't hurt the chair.)

>>10181621
There's a lot of subtleties in Aaron's style. He has very simple but, expressive hands.

>>10192299
Awesome!
I'm liking beard guy and Sue.
It looks like there's some good foreshadowing and I'm really looking forward to the next couple weeks.

>>10196791
>retail
Bahaha! I could see her rage there, that was freaking great PA. I'm glad you're revisiting your hedgehog character too, she has a lot of Endtown unveiling potential for newcomer life, without the baggage that Linda had naturally.

>>10196791
Relatable porcupine girl is relatable.

>>10196962
... or hedgehog? Clarification, please Pen Anon? And does she have a name, or am I just jumping the gun asking that?

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>>10197095
She's a porcupine and to play off of Aaron's naming scheme I'm calling her Terri.

>>10187421
No, we've asked him like 3 times already.

>>10198393
Does anyone have any of the relevant emails, then, especially the first? Because I'm still curious about the language involved...

>>10198547
Considering how everyone made a big deal about it, I don't think it was just a "maybe Aaron said this". Maybe I'm assuming too much here but I believe I've only seen you question it, why not just ask him yourself?

>>10198773
You are, yes.

And I've no wish to randomly email someone regarding animal dicks at the present time, thank you. All I wanted was a source for the original statement(s).

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>>10198547
I have the "reproduction happens" email, but that's about it.

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I drew Allie in Heather's position so here's Heather at a bar.

>>10199177
Thanks! I remember the map from that email, but not that comment. Sounds like he's just saying he hasn't really considered it at all, there, like his stance is just "whatever they have, it works". Like it's open to interpretation.

I'm certainly having difficulty finding the original email where he clarified it on Desuarchive, despite plenty of second hand references to it.

>You mentioned that Schism Syndrome might unlock psychic powers
>No, I said the opposite
I swear I remember seeing this as very old (like circa 2012) information on a defunct Endtown wiki page/forum somewhere. Maybe that's where the idea came from? Whatever the case, it seems to have been a thing that was accepted on 4chan as having come from an email, but once again I cannot find that particular email:

https://desuarchive.org/co/search/text/schism%20syndrome%20powers/

>>10199416
I don't think there's enough beer in the world...

Nice work, PA.

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>>10199519
Wait a second... just found pic related on Desuarchive.

He TOTALLY said Schism potentially unlocks psychic abilities, back in 2014!

(And also that Topsider stuff is powered by "protonic fuel cells", which just sounds like a fancy way of saying "hydrogen fuel cells" to me - guess that answers that...)

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>>10199656
Reading through this one thing strikes me as ind of strange: these are educated adults from the world of yesteryear, right? Why is the Atlantic ocean called 'the Great Water' when it's an ocean. Anyone not under the age of 10 that had some proper education should know geography enough to be able to name things like continents and oceans, right? I understand the featureless plain being simplified into 'the Great Waste' but anything else feels a little hokey.

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>>10200331
Well, we know that Amesworthy radiation destroys water and turns everything into dust so, after it was used so extensively during WWIII, still having an ocean is still rumors and hear-say.

>>10200463
Even with the amount of bombs that hit and the presence of some large collection of water it stands to reason that not all of the Atlantic had been vaporized by the radiation, though the coastline past Neitherland and Hillside probably expanded exponentially from their original point if I had to guess.

>>10200331
True, you'd expect that to be the kind of linguistic- and memory-shift that would happen after a hundred years or more, when all the people from the war generation had died off, not eight. And even then it'd only happen if there had been a massive breakdown of records and information.

Add to that, for something that was present in the artwork and dropped as solid setting info for anyone who wanted to to build a game on, we've yet to hear anyone in the comic so much as mention the "Great Water" or "Great Green". The closest thing I can recall is Jim and Sarah mentioning that there were green areas outside the Waste (which Wally reacted to with surprise despite his original introduction being pretty clear about him having come from outside the Waste himself).

Maybe it was a whimsical element he eventually dropped?

>>10200463
Destroys water? How?

If it evaporated it it would just condense again in short order as a massive rain storm, and if it separated it into hydrogen and oxygen it'd eventually just oxidise back into water anyway... even quicker if it was entire oceans, as the two elements would be extremely concentrated (and due to that, you'd be able to figure out if the oceans HAD been electrolysed just by measuring the atmosphere).

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>>10200536
>Destroys water? How?
I used the word "destroys" mostly because I don't know how Amesworthy radiation works. All I know is it turns things into dust. Aaron doesn't have a background in chemistry so the law of "Matter cannot be created or destroyed" has no meaning to him (if Marx isn't already proof of that).

>>10200720
Sounds more like it's just a dodge so that people disintegrate into cool piles of dust instead of icky mud, then. And Marx explicitly has supertech on his side via that Dimensionometer thing, so anything he appears to do can probably just be written off as "Sufficiently advanced technology".

But if anything, in order to not be apparent as clinging, condensing steam, it'd have to electrolyse, to break apart into hydrogen and oxygen, so even then the water would just be waiting "in potentia" to come back and people would be able to guess the state of the oceans by testing the atmosphere for excess amounts of those elements (and enough of that to constitute even one ocean would probably raise the combustibility of the atmosphere by a measurable degree).

I doubt the oceans were heavily affected anyway - nobody was nuking them (and why would they be?), it was all city-to-city stuff, and besides that, it's been mentioned that it still rains (and we've even seen Wally collecting rainwater, so rain is still reliable enough to be counted upon for crossing the Waste), which would be much less viable if a large amount of the Earth's water had been vanished like you say.

>>10200928
What I'm trying to say is the world as we know it has been nuked into the setting of Krazy Kat and and everyone is still questioning if there even is an ocean. Nobody we know of has seen it and all anyone knows story-wise is just rumors. For their location the "Great Water" could just be the remnants of the great lakes for all we know. There is such a lack of information to them that they don't even know how the world has changed after the war. It's not like they can send up satellites to map what's left of the world.

>>10201197
Still seems odd to be mythologising it as "The Great Water" only eight years after the end, though. I could see the *kids* of Endtown calling it that, maybe... you'd think the generation that remembers it would be referring either to "The Lakes" or "The Ocean" at their briefest. They honestly don't seem like the poetic sort. And we still haven't heard the merest mention of those names in the comic, I'm pretty sure.

Strikes me, though, that we know Aaron at least has let slip that the ocean exists because it figures into his claims about his previously intended ending for Holly.

>It's not like they can send up satellites to map what's left of the world.
In before Mallard has hooked into the data stream from the Topsider satellite somehow.

And come to think of it, I wonder if it's going to become significant that Wally saw a glimpse of a post-war global scan?

>>10200463
One of my favorite strips.

>>10200928
>And Marx explicitly has supertech on his side via that Dimensionometer thing, so anything he appears to do can probably just be written off as "Sufficiently advanced technology"
I've said a million times by now so I wonder why people still latch onto this misconception: the dimension-o-METER just keeps track of the dimensions, everything else is done by Marx himself because he is not really human but a counterpart to Eye.

>>10202710
>I've said a million times by now so I wonder why people still latch onto this misconception: the dimension-o-METER just keeps track of the dimensions
Sorry, but I think unless you've got something directly from Aaron to go on then you're going by name a little too much there, yourself.

For one thing, Aaron's said the plot is linked to "Albert", and I don't recall Marx needing the Dimensionometer to find his way between dimensions there from what I saw of that comic. Heck, didn't he happily grab a stick of gum cross-reality without needing the device in one Endtown strip, just to prove a point to Mallard? (I'd find the strip myself, but GoComics seems to be down right now.)

I suspect only his planes-walker powers are native to himself, and everything else is super-techno-trickery - he might even still have that multidimensional coat from the prototype Marx comic (very Doctor Who). At the very least the plot treats the Dimensionometer as the source of his hypnotic powers, not merely the focus of them. When Mallard grabs the thing it leaves Marx somewhat humbled and compliant until he gets it back.

My guess is that, if anything, it's a method of measuring changes to dimensions as he messes with the "plot", not keeping track of his location between them, and if it can observe like that, it may also be able to alter (which ties into the whole framing of the concept in quantum theory terms) - such as when Marx changed the velocity vectors of a bunch of bullets right before whipping it out.

>everything else is done by Marx himself because he is not really human but a counterpart to Eye.
He's Eye's nemesis and functional counterpart in the narrative/Aaron's personal writing conceits, not necessarily its existential counterpart. Besides which, we've seen them both do very different things.

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>>10202943
Oh, here we go, it's back up again.

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And... it's also a cigarette lighter.

(This whole thing reminded me that he took more than two months out of the comic, back when he was doing it five strips a week, to do Flask's sendoff...)

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>>10202710
>>10202943
>>10203001
>>10203012
And now I remember where I saw something about this just recently.

So: Dimensionometer is a device for measuring reality intersections/interactions, not necessarily location, and nothing about Marx is magical, which implies it's all some kind of super-tech or at least some manner of ability grounded in reality, right down to the dimension-hopping, which does appear to be intrinsic (with the proviso that "reality" in this comic includes souls as well as the afterlife as a physical location where said souls are visible to the naked eye).

At the very least I want to say him standing on thin air and vanishing in Jacob's office were simply ditto tricks.

>>10203343
Marx is not magic, he is like the "magician" from the Deadeyes strip or Q from Stark Trek. Beings so different that what they can do looks like magic to us. Though what makes Marx special, aside from being "infinite", is that he can tunnel through realities like it's nothing with his bare "hands" while everyone else needs technology for it.

>>10203399
Yes, that's the one trait which has always been "built in", though, even in the earlier non-Endtown comics. I'm willing to bet that everything else comes from shit he's picked up on his travels, much like the ship he won (in a card game, if I remember correctly?)

I've always seen him more as a Doctor Who than a Q, at least in terms of powers. Attitude/personality wise, sure - he's Q without even a speck of the charm or appeal.

>>10203443
I think Marx could've worked if he was used only a few times and made it explicit that he suffers from being alone due to being so annoying.

>My power can do anything, except give me a friend!

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>>10192299
I just figured out who the lighter haired guy was reminding me of.

Intentional homage, PA?

>>10203464
He'd be much better if he was just another weird interloper in the setting rather than the guy with all the answers who was running everything behind the scenes.

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>>10203479
Yeah, pretty much.

>>10203465
That's not PenAnon. That's CriticAnon.

>>10203465
>>10203495
Shhhit. My only refuge here is to mention I was looking back at both CA and PA's comics when I figured the Egon thing out and I guess that's how I got mixed up.

Sorry to the both of you!

>>10203495
There is no way Grout isn't being stupid on purpose.

>>10203526
On the take for someone, do you think, or part of what's going down himself?

>>10203554
Who knows. His incompetence just seems unnatural from being so extreme. Then again, this chapter seems to run on having the characters pass the idiot ball to each other all the time.

>>10203789
I hereby motion that we dub the arc "Idiot Volleyball"

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>>10203526
>>10203789
I think Grout has always been a buffoon, it's just that now it's way more apparent because of his more prominent role in the comic, his more powerful position, and the fact that his cartoonish bufoonery clashes really badly with the tone of the arc.

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Just out of curiosity, are any of the Jimfags still around?

>>10204572
Yes?

>>10204605
Okay, just checking. Hadn't seen any misty-eyed/horny musings about Jim for a while, is all.

Glad at least one of you is still here.

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>>10204714
Didn't last thread have someone requesting lewd Jim stuff?

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>>10204572

We are all Jimfags deep inside...

>>10204841
I think so. I just got to wondering, since there seem to be about seven of us posting here tops, so far.

>>10204987
Make that eight.

... Jim is cute, though. Can't be denied. Raccoons usually are.

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Also, posting cute Jims because it's been a while

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Best delivery I have ever gotten in the drawthread

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Dammit, PA! We need more Jane!

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>Tfw JimxWally were the real OTP
>Literally no JimxWally lewds besides this

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>>10204841
>Didn't last thread have someone requesting lewd Jim stuff?


Well, since there were people requesting stuff here..

Can i request Jim acting like any of these two qt raccoons?

>>10205062
I've never seen this one before.

>>10206246

that's really old, right around the time when Jim just became Jimgod.

>>10205059
>*blocks your path*

>>10207645

I give him a kiss and jerk him off

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Why are Jim characters always the best?

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>>10208563
It's a mystery.

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>>10203465
>when the obscure inspiration ends up being found out
I was really aiming on a less crazy-haired style Egon with the glasses character so I'm actually surprised someone figured it out so quickly. Nice job!

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>>10211029
Thanks!

You have good taste in obscure inspirations.

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>>10212305

Hey Suule!, you ever finished that request you were working on from the drawthread?

cute Jim. btw!

>>10212305
Suule: Master of Gloss

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Farx was also a cute, too bad he didn't exactly get much love.

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>>10179288
Was thinking about this... what are the odds it's something like "Endtown: Year One"?

I mean, it's been brought up a few times in the comic and it seems pretty critical to the backstory, but Aaron's missed two consecutive chances for giving us a proper look at it (once when he finally cut off Holly's too-long flashback just as the elevator departed for Endtown and once when Walt gave us nothing but a short angsty story that ended before Endtown even came up). Maybe he's about to hand it off to other people?

>>10217637
Could be possible, though with so little we know of this supposed project it could be anything. I'm personally hoping for material that does reveal a lot, like your suggested 'Endtown: Year One". I remember Walt himself referencing how bad it used to be, whatever that means. Imo Endtown already seems kind of shitty so it's hard to think of how worse it could have been.

I'm guessing suicides, constant Schism reports, possible cannibalism maybe.

>>10218430
I do wonder, though, if it's going to be freely available online or if it's going to be some paid thing. If it's the latter, then like Walt's fishing story it can't be critical to the overall plot.

>>10215934
No matter how he looks outside, it's sill Marx inside. I remember how one drawfag was having a nervous breakdown over the thought of almost drawing smut of Marx.

>>10220188
>Marx's fursona is a fox
>foxes traditionally were portrayed as fast talking, untrustworthy charlatans who will probably trick you and/or eat you if you're a chicken or rabbit
>only recent films and Disney's portrayal of foxes positively (Robin Hood/Fox and the Hound/Zootopia) changed the older popular perceptions to the modern sensibility of misunderstood but charming rogue

If Aaron's 'cartoon animal personality stereotype' rule is real for mutants that establishes an interesting insight to Marx's quality of moral fiber.

>>10220188

That was Suule that said hard no to drawing him or anything Marx related. Quite frankly I don't blame him.

He did draw him in a Vault suit later on.

>>10221960
I like how it's cute and unnerving at te same time.

124 repiles, but only 12 posters. I know, it would be better to let this thread die with dignity. But I can't help but be impressed by your dedication.

>>10225429
>/co/ threads have pretty much died
>official Zetaboards forum is long dead
>Comfy Couch o' Confusion's long time Endtown thread more or less slowed to a trickle after the Milk Trial and then died completely when Holly left the strip
>Patreon page is a conversational/participational dead zone
>last comment I saw on another chan was something like "I used to read Endtown but stopped with the bullshit last chapter"
>GoComics people don't do anything outside of random comments and have the understanding and attention spans of goldfish
>/trash/ people are not only still talking about it during a hiatus, but two of them are making fancomics to pad out the wait

Even if we mostly prefer the pre-Ship stuff and are kind of jaded and sceptical about the current strip and even Aaron himself these days, in terms of community participation and coherent discussion we're probably still the closest thing to hardcore fans Endtown has right now.

>>10231886
This concept was a really cool one, I liked the idea of an astronaut so out of touch that when they come back to the planet everything is so topsy turvy and frightening.

Is she part of some Apex space division?

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>>10205095
I'll keep that in mind.

>>10219805
If I can wank myself off for a minute, I love how this pic turned out. I drew it on cardboard so it looks like shit in color but in greyscale it looks so damn good. The highlights are done in off brand white-out that I had lying around.

>>10233474
I think so, but you'd have to ask DK. There was more of it, I think. but I don't seem to have it.

>>10233486
I'd say that pride's fully-justified, PA, it came out looking really classy.

And that's some cute Terri you got there.

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>>10233789

>>10234338
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>>10234555
Thanks. Is this all he did?

It looked promising.

>>10234875
At least that I have on file.

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>>10234875
It's a cool concept.

>>10235114
Thanks again. Maybe DK will have more if he ever turns up.

>>10235453
It is, really deserved to be explored more.

>>10229313
>Even if we mostly prefer the pre-Ship stuff and are kind of jaded and sceptical about the current strip and even Aaron himself these days, in terms of community participation and coherent discussion we're probably still the closest thing to hardcore fans Endtown has right now.

These threads rarely get more than 2 dozen posters; don't flatter yourself.

>>10236096
Sorry, what have numbers got to do with anything?

>>10236096
Is there a place more alive for content creation and discussion of Endtown? I'd love to be directed there if possible. You seem to think that these /trash/ threads aren't impressive but they're still the only place I can discuss the comic and share fan drawings I've done.

Despite how much I bitch about Endtown there's still enough in the lore and setting to keep my ass planted in what dwindling community remains so by all means man: share this wonderful place where more than 10 people actively discuss the comic, characters, lore, and share/make content.

>>10236096
They're pretty obviously talking about how this is effectively the only proper Endtown hardcore fan community still going, not about it being the biggest collection of fans.

>>10236096
It could have only one very dedicated poster and it would still count as the place with most dedication. Do you have shit for brains or something?

>>10240882
I've never seen this one before. Pretty neat.

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DK did so much fan art I still keep finding new stuff.

>>10241822
That's one of the first ones he made IIRC.

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welp, looks like thread is dead

>>10244457
It was already dead for quite some time now.

Imagine what it would feel like to be turned into a mutant.

>>10245316
Wake up like one or the transformation?

>>10245581
waking up as some sort of humanoid animal person. Having fur and a tail. being weirdly proportioned. Having bizzare urges...

>>10245668
Those who would not give a shit are probably the ones who ended up being "immune" because this universe seems to run on cruel irony.

>>10245668
>Having bizzare urges...

>ib4 mice humping

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Monday upd8! Also an early happy Independence Day to all my American patriots!

Have to wonder if Neitherland had some kind of day like that or not.

>>10246866
Zerozooka, yes! I like this gung-ho guy...

>Also an early happy Independence Day to all my American patriots!
>Have to wonder if Neitherland had some kind of day like that or not.
Perhaps they celebrated deciding to keep themselves independent of either side in the civil war?

>>10246946
>Zerozooka, yes! I like this gung-ho guy...
Don't you mean 'gun-ho' guy?

Hehehe, bad puns aside I'm glad he's taking off so well, he's very enthusiastic for being what amounts to a post apocalypse Nazi. But some people in life are optimists, though not all of them are as tonally deaf like Kirbee is.

Sounds like a lame holiday if that's the case. 'Haha we didn't participate in the civil war!' despite Neitherland essentially encompassing the original 13 colonies which would make them quintessential America. Traitors.

Looking over Aaron's map, I'd be part of the new Confederacy. It's bizarre considering my state, even during the civil war it was accepted as a union state rather than confederate.

>>10246866
Can't wait to see the horror that awaits them.

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>>10196791
Part 3.

>>10246866
Looking good. You have a happy Independence Day as well.

Even the scouter drone got wrecked. It must have been a hell of an ambush.

>>10247333
>there's an opening for a laundress right now
KEK

Nice job PA, I'm loving your strip. Bunny job counselor is a hoot!

>>10247333
>To look this good wasn't free you know.
"Looking this good" sounds better.

Also, what did she mean by this? Is she friends with the security lizard?

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>>10247440
Thanks

>>10247446
>"Looking this good" sounds better.
Yeah you're right.

>Also, what did she mean by this? Is she friends with the security lizard?
Yeah, it's a call back to >>10181254

>>10247333
I'm enjoying the dialogue here immensely. Have you ever considered digital typesetting, though? There's free programs that can do it.

>Maid outfit
A lady after your own heart, eh?

>>10247130
>despite Neitherland essentially encompassing the original 13 colonies which would make them quintessential America. Traitors.
That probably comes up in their national identity, or it should, by rights.

>>10247642
>Have you ever considered digital typesetting, though? There's free programs that can do it.
So like GIMP or is there another program. I might start doing that. That way I don't have to worry about screwing up a line. Aaron uses Back Issue as his font right?

>>10247924
>So like GIMP or is there another program. I might start doing that. That way I don't have to worry about screwing up a line.
I don't know much about GIMP, but I know Paint.net can handle some typesetting.

>Aaron uses Back Issue as his font right?
I swear I remember it coming up before on /co/, but all I can find on Desu is mention that Aaron had a custom font at one point but lost it in an HDD failure.

But if Back Issue looks right to you, you can always just try it out.

>>10247924
>>10248007
Wait, I found it:

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/84145908/#84176696

http://blambot.com/font_backissues.shtml

>>10248031
Thank you

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>>10246866
>>10248031
>>10248046
Oh sweet, I was wondering what typeface Endtown was using. Now, the big question is should I change from my font to the Endtown approved one...?

>>10248505
Can't hurt to give it a try and see how it looks. If you want to change it, you're only a few strips in.

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>>10248505
Yes, it's more effective.

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>>10248007
>>10248031
I'll start screwing around with it more. I really regret my poorly drawn word balloons.

>>10248505
>Now, the big question is should I change from my font to the Endtown approved one...?
The different font gives your comic a bit of a different "voice" than Aaron's. If you want to try your best to imitate the comic changing the text seems like it would go a long way. But if you want to make you comic feel more independent from the original work or you feel like changing the text now would be pointless, you could just keep it the same.

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>>10248611
>>10248817
Aww yeah, this looks real nice. I think I'll switch to this font from now on.

>>10249014
That does work pretty well with your squared bubbles, but then, I guess it is a professional comic font...

>>10246866
>>10247333
Out of curiosity, how are you two finding the schedule, workload, workflow, etc?

why keep bumping this for weeks?

>>10257789
Because we can, I guess.

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>>10235114
>>10235453
>>10235495
he did post this a while ago

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>>10257789

fuck off faggot, we do what we want.

>>10256747
The scheduling and workload honestly isn't too bad for me, it's more like busywork since I only have to draw four panels at a time. I cut up the work in a day by day basis too. I'll jam out rough sketches and dialogue the day a previous update releases, the next I tighten everything down with the lineart. It's either the second day or release day I do the value shading and touchups before release and then the cycle starts again.

Working on a program for drawing with a tablet and everything makes the work easier than ink and paint and scanning but there is definitely a loss of that specific look that comes from that method. Doesn't help much that you get an artistic disconnect with a tablet you can't see the work you're drawing with except on a screen you can't directly draw on.

I've been saving for a Cintiq to alleive that problem since I'm fairly passionate about becoming a storyboard artist someday, but it's an expensive piece of hardware to buy. I'm making the best out of a Monoprice art tablet I bought in 2012.

>>10261811
I'm concerned about how the mouse is looking at me.

>>10264051
I'm concerned about her being bottomless.

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>>10264402

Huh, I'm not exactly concerned about that...

>>10262388
Thank you, that's a very well-thought-out and informative answer.

How do you feel about the writing process?

Best of luck on the saving up.

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>>10256747
I've kind of been pulling this comic out of my ass and out of an amalgamation of jokes I had lying around, so it has really been by the seat of my pants. Breaking from my usual "however many panels I feel like" to the four panels has been a bit of a challenge but it makes me structure the joke more. I originally tried to make it in the four square boxes like Endtown and what CA is doing right now but I gave up on that. Work is entering it's busy season, so I was a bit overwhelmed but I've found myself getting into a bit of a groove with just having to do the four panels.

>>10262388
The work you put in the comic really shows. Good luck with saving up for the new Cintiq.

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>>10265528
Thank you, it'll be worth it when I finally reach that goal. For now it's just me and my piddly little tablet but I make it work. Probably the best 50$ I spent honestly.

I feel like writing is very easy but that is probably because I've been writing for fun since I was 13. I'm 25 now so that's already a decade of hobbyist experience. I take some adages to heart, Pixar left a very good list to follow. Aaron I think could follow number 2 more closely but that's my critique on that. I work on Number 7 because they're right that endings can be very difficult; you can figure out beginnings and middles easier once you have that mapped out. My ending for this mini fancomic already is sitting on my hard drive, in fact I've parsed out what's going to happen in each update so I pace myself accordingly.

One important thing I knew as a writer than I bring over to my method of art is that nothing is too precious, no matter what idea you like. I already threw out something in the 4th update I didn't like to set the mood better for what I'm trying to show. You have to really be sensitive to how characters, actions, and situations read. That all comes from experience but it also helps to really understand and feel the characters you're writing for too, otherwise they'll never come out feeling genuine to the audience.

>>10265859
Thank you PA! I feel your art had a lot of appeal and heart to it that I can't really capture in mine, not to mention your great sense of humor. I'm a bit jealous of your unfettered freedom desu, you can really do a lot and have fun with it and it shows.

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>>10265859
Another comprehensive and thoughtful answer (with a cute picture!), thank you PA.

Would it be safe to say doing something like this has been in the back of your mind for a while, then?

>>10266093
I've seen that around before, it's a list of remarkably astute points. Similarly I've recently seen some more generic writing advice (with added humor), much of which I think is applicable in this context, and especially in terms of planning out comic stories.

Are you planning to show us the stuff that was discarded on the way once your comic has been completed?

Would either or both of you mind sharing some of your non-Endtown influences?

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>>10266093
Thank you. I've been loving your comics and the well thought out critiques you've been giving the comic and the humor you add. When you posted your first .gif comic it kind of blew my mind. I keep stressing about the timing in my comic and here you made one that's animated that makes the reader enjoy the joke and the punchline as it's supposed to be delivered. I've been meaning to do a comic on the Topsiders but you've delivered more than I could do justice and the whole reveal/joke is one of them is a mutant, but I already blew that in another comic.

>>10267174
Thank you too. There's nothing I have fully thought out, I just have a bunch of ideas that float around in the back of my head. Drawing here has let me put a lot of the dumb jokes and ideas that I have floating around on paper.

>>10267174
Usually with text dialogue I end up deleting the layer they were on but I can tell you guys tomorrow what I originally wrote versus what the finished product was. For art, I already posted a bit of my process already; the sketch lines are almost always in that blue colored pencil look. It mimics how I draw irl; prismacolor col-erase photoblue. It's a pencil that *doesn't* scan on any scanner, so you essentially can draw out your underdrawing, ink it, then scan and it'll come out with just the inking. Best pencil, highly recommend. There's really no purpose to it on my program than habit.

For non-Endtown influences? I've been a big fan of Disney cartoons for ages and for comics one can do no better than Watterson's Calvin and Hobbes.

>>10267501
>that pic
Hey that's amazing! Haha, he looks so happy!

You do some great work PA so don't sell yourself short. It's a little unfair to compare, I had a lot of training to get me to this point and you jam things out prolifically which is phenomenal, you've been an active artist for these threads as long as I can remember, making your dedication inspiring to me.

I noticed before you mentioning picking up GIMP earlier. Fun fact, that's where I make my gifs! GIMP is a great first program, if you want to learn basics of how to use it to do what you want I can give out some basic tutorials here when I'm free. I guess the offer can extend to anyone here curious to learn though...

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>>10267934
I'm glad you liked it. I've had GIMP installed for a while, mostly as a novelty to have and play around with from time to time but I've never really used it to its full potential. I'd love to learn what you have to show when you get the time.

>>10268566
>top doodle
L E W D

>>10268629
Kek, everyone is naked until proven clothed. But, yeah, the top one is where I was going to base her off of the North American porcupine with her shorter quills but I chose one with longer quills cuz it looks better.

Have a good night guys. I'm headed to bed.

>>10267501
Well, I'm personally enjoying these dumb jokes a lot, so I hope you can pin a great many more to the page.

>>10267934
Interesting insight into the usual process, both digital and otherwise; thank you for that. I greatly approve of your taste in media!

>>10268834
Belated goodnight!

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It's that time again; Wednesday update!

Now for what I changed since I said I would mention it; there was a lot more dialogue in this on the first write-up but I felt that cut too much into building tension so I chopped about 50% of the dialogue out.

>>10278358
2spooky4me

>>10278358
Ominous... I wonder if that's a can of that sealant solvent?

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>>10247333
Part 4

>>10278358
Man, that dust probably means it's not eat beasts behind this.

The new text looks good. Keep up the good work.

>>10281000
That'd be real interesting. Maybe there was one of the Topsiders themselves going rouge.

>>10282295
Nice, PA. I like the angles and expressions here.

I hope Terri can find her place. I like her. At least she can be "the funny one" in any group of workers...

>>10282586
More like "the sane one".

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>>10282295
>this update
Hearty keks, that was some great timing in this one. Here's a Terri for you, thanks again for my beard Topsider, that was really cool!

>>10279808
>>10281000
It is a mystery ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>10282768
This is great. I never imagined I'd ever get fan art. Thanks!

>>10278358
Are they wearing helmets and we can see their heads because it's easier to differentiate them that way?

>>10285382
Yes, it's how they see each other due to the augmented reality technology in their masks.

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>tfw wish I could contribute OC but been too sick to do anything
This must be how Aaron feels.

>>10292178
Not only you.

>>10288669
What a tiny mouse she is.

>>10293298
She is an actual mouse. Miss Bianca from The Rescuers.

>>10300065
I really thought something interesting was going to be done with that robot, but unfortunately it just disappeared.

Heck, it really felt like all the pieces were in place there for a plotline with Apex packing a whole bunch of monster-witnesses together for observation or something.

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>>10300665
I guess we weren't the only ones.

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>>10300065
>>10300665
>>10300820
>you will never have a loyal robot butler

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>>10300895
He was super cool in retrospect.

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>>10301170
I wonder if any would stay loyal to their owners. I adore the idea of someone with their robo butler roughing it after the war.

So the other day (or like, last week) I rolled up a Gila Monster for a little game/story thing another anon made and I'm kinda curious how that'd look as an Endtown character. Would it be like all the other lizards but with different colours or would it be smaller or something? Just curious because I'm tempted to draw up the team I rolled but I've never done anything in Endtown's style before, I'm not even sure if it matters but I wanted to ask you guys what you thought first.

>>10304913
Seems like all the lizards are just "generic lizard", with little to no differentiation.

>>10285726
Thanks for the explanation!

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>>10307045

Back to the top

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Friday update is here from me. I swear I redid these panels at least four times and I still wasn't happy about them, mostly because I had to reuse an angle from the previous comic. I felt like the comic jumped too much without it and needed the neutral transmission between panels to get a better flow but it still was difficult.

Still it was either keep fussing over an imperfect souffle or get it out of the kitchen on time. I opted for the latter but I think it's a point of contention for me to git gud and not get hung up on panel compositions by having more in my bag of tricks.

Anyway, for this reveal the reason 50% of the dialogue of last update was chopped was because originally the PT unit could communicate. I decided after the first draft that I didn't like that since it took away a lot of the mystery and intrigue to what happened, and as well considered it didn't make sense for what actually happened with this mystery crew.

>>10311161
Dang, even the brain got torn apart. Seeing as it's not dusted that probably means it wasn't a mutiny.

>>10311161
>Anyway, for this reveal the reason 50% of the dialogue of last update was chopped was because originally the PT unit could communicate. I decided after the first draft that I didn't like that since it took away a lot of the mystery and intrigue to what happened, and as well considered it didn't make sense for what actually happened with this mystery crew.
Seems like a wise choice. I'm really intrigued to what's going to happen next.

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>>10313964
>>10314581
Thank you, next few updates should be fun.

In the meantime we have a weekend ahead of us so how about a GIMP tutorial? I'll go by what I have to help out my fallow Endtown enthusiasts, or art enthusiasts, whichever come first.

First thing's first, get the program and definitely look into getting the GIMP extension pack! It comes with a lot of useful stuff, including more save file options, filter effects, brushes and more. It really pumps up vanilla GIMP and gives you a lot of fun tools to work with!

Right now I have the program open to my Terri drawing I did earlier. I'm gonna use her for some basic examples for things that can be done on here.

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>>10315036
Program plugins aside, let's start with something easy but VERY important. For the basics of basics, let's go over layers.

When you open an image in GIMP it automatically is placed on its own layer. For this tutorial, this would be Terri's lineart. Programs run on layers which work like an image sandwich you can constantly stack, with higher layers on the foreground and lower layers on the list 'underneath' those. This means art done on a higher later will usually sit over work you do if it's on a lower layer.

Let's look at an example of that. I'll select 'New Layer' which is circled in red here.

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>>10315157
When you click on adding a new layer you'll get a popup asking what sort of layer you want to make. You can adjust the size and fill of the layer you're placing. For simplicity's sake, let's go with 'transparent'. This will make your new layer 'see through' and free for you to draw on or adjust to your heart's content.

>>10315036
>>10315157

Hey CA! I do love what you're doing with the comic. If you want, I can hook you up with an old version of OC4.5 I've ceased using since some kind soul got me OC6. I do use GIMP for texturing but it's a pain in a but to do shit in it.

OC4 is pretty damn good for line stuff and relatively stable unless you do 5000x5000 canvases like me.

You also should look into Manga Studio or Clip Art Studio if you want to unleash your full potential.

Keep up the good work

- Suule

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>>10315227
Your new layer will automatically pop up ABOVE the layer you were originally on. For us, this would be Terri's lineart layer. Make sure the layer is highlighted, it means it's selected and you're working on that particular layer.

DO NOT lose track of what layer you're drawing or working on! Mistakes are made this way! Costly soul crushing mistakes!

Let's try putting some color on Terri now that we have a layer to draw on.

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>>10315321
Your color picker is below. There are a bunch of different ways you can pick colors. Here you can drag the line on the spectrum for your hue and drag the target inside the box for the saturation you want. It'll show in the box at the bottom and even give you a code for the color itself. Useful if you ever need to get down to a specific shade.

>>10315264
Thanks Suule but do you mean this? I have Clip Paint Pro EX version with the animation program and oodles of illustration options, as well as DAUB brushes. This tutorial is more for PA who has GIMP but could use pointers with how to use it. It's a great first program and I stand by that.

>>10315458

Ah I didn't notice that it was aimed at PA, was working on some commission so I've glanced over the posts.

I started with OC1.1 and stuck with the line, and I don't really hold GIMP in that high regard unless it's texturing which it is retardely good at (And I don't have to use PS), well if PA is interested then I can drop the package here.

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>>10315458
If you aren't a fan of the Hue/Sat setup you can always click the circled button to take you to the color wheel picker. You can click and drag to get the color you want on this one too so it's all a matter of preference. You can click the GIMP mascot face to go back to the first version if you ever want to flip between both.

>>10311161
Ominouser and ominouser.

I'm enjoying this a lot.

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>>10315511
In your toolbox dock you have a bunch of options but lets pretend the only ones you have to pick right now are the paintbrush and the eraser. Both are fairly straightforward but there are submenus like opacity, brush style, size, angle, etc.

To avoid getting you overwhelmed, just focus on brush size. You can adjust brush sizes using the keyboard shortcut [ (smaller) or ] (larger). One you get your brush to a size you like, you can paint on the new layer you made.

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>>10315621
SHIT WHERE'S HER NOSE?!

Her nose is actually still there! Painting on the new layer preserves your lineart so even if something like this happens the original art is okay! Unfortunately that isn't what we wanted so lets try and put the color layer under the lineart!

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>>10315718
Well shit now the brown is gone.

A lot of lineart won't be transparent which makes coloring something like a magic trick. How can you fill the white space? The paint bucket tool? No, god no, never do that.

Thankfully computer programs themselves are magic! Let's move the layer back up top and try my favorite trick!

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>>10315766
On your layer dock there is a segment that says 'Normal' with a dropdown box selectable. Click this box and select the option that says 'Multiply'. Your layer now will cover your lineart without covering the lines! Her nose is there, the color is there, and you have a way to work around that white space without pulling yourself through a knot!

If your lineart is done on a transparent layer you can just draw on layers beneath it to get the same effect, it all depends on where your lineart comes from. For someone who scans in their art, or uses picture, this method is *really* useful and unobtrusive.

We need two more things to learn and I should be done so bear with me, I'll do it in one more post.

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>>10315868
You can delete layers by selecting the desired layer you want to trash and clicking the trash can button located in this image. If you make basic mistakes you don't have to worry about deleting everything and starting over! CTRL-Z will undo an action and can be done multiple times if you need to step back two or three spaces from where you are.

Finally, if you want to save select the 'file' option and choose your poison. You can select a vanilla save, which saves as the file you opened, or Save As, which saves in specific GIMP formats. Export As is my preferred save type since I have more options for save files under that but again it's up to you as the artist what you want to save.

And that's that for today! Tomorrow I'll run through how to adjust color levels; very useful for scans and photographed art when transitioning to lineart!

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>>10311161
Kindof makes me consider revisiting pic related sometime. Though original works beckon.

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>>10315036
>>10315264
From what I see, you guys would probably like Krita.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krita

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>>10315580
Thanks man, I'm glad you're enjoying it!

>>10316480
That's fair my dude, you do you after all. I don't have much original stuff rattling around in my head currently so this is keeping me busy art-wise. Better than nothing and it makes this wait between updates from Aaron much shorter.

>>10316646
I've checked out Krita before and it does look interesting, though I'm solidly on my Clip Paint program as my main go. My real problem is really tightening from sketch to line and using the vector layers more often. Everything else the program does amazingly well so I have no faults aimed for it.

It's not the program that makes a good artist (but it can make an artist's life a lot easier!). Same goes with drawing mediums, be it paper pen and scanner, tablet, or Cintiq. Some things help but it's always possible to do good work with time, patience, and know-how.

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My comic is going to be a little later than usual. Just writing the text now.

>>10311161
>Still it was either keep fussing over an imperfect souffle or get it out of the kitchen on time. I opted for the latter but I think it's a point of contention for me to git gud and not get hung up on panel compositions by having more in my bag of tricks.
When I started doing my comic I got really hung up on paneling my comic like Endtown. With the lazy ass way I've been making comics makes this a real bitch. But when you started posting your comic I figured I should get over that I try just fitting my content into four panels as well as try a comic regular schedule.

Also I love how the fourth panel of your last comic and the third panel your new comic work so well together.

>I decided after the first draft that I didn't like that since it took away a lot of the mystery and intrigue to what happened
I'm glad you went this route. I'm really enjoying the mystery and the tension that's building.

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Thank you so much for all of this. I'm really looking forward to the next tutorial.

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Part 5

>>10315507
>PA is interested then I can drop the package here.
I really appreciate that you're willing to help me out by giving me some software but (I look like a dumb ass here) I don't even know what OC is. (I tried looking it up in many context here but all that showed up was the television show...). I've got a few programs installed that I try to fart around in (GIMP, Fire Alpaca, and Inkscape) but I don't have a tablet so I don't know how much it will help me.

>>10316480
I know Penny is the possum. Is Bev the poodle or am I confusing that with another character? And do you have any other characters with names (in this comic)? (And does that horse girl riding the eat beast have a name/place in the comic or was he just for shits and giggles?)

>>10316646
I'll take a look.

>>10316948
>Some things help but it's always possible to do good work with time, patience, and know-how.
God damn, that's some solid advice.

>>10319831
I think Mana is a spaniel. Bev is based on a woman from the scene where rats start shooting people. She used to be called Beth until we found out about Aaron's ex-wife.

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>>10319935
Thank you, I've been confused for awhile about that.

>>10319831
Terri: Delivery Girl, eh?

And that explains a lot about Work Placement Bunny...

>I don't even know what OC is
I think, from the context, that it's OpenCanvas.

http://www.portalgraphics.net/en/

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>>10319831
>job in delivery
Hoo hoo, it's only a matter of time before she regrets THAT decision.

I have no idea what OC is either. OpenCanvas maybe? I think I heard about it once but I don't know a lot of people who use it. It's usually SAI, Photoshop, Clip Paint for paid programs. GIMP's for people looking for a free program to play in. If you learn how the basics work in it you can work it with pretty much anything in an upgrade.

>OpenCanvas.
Thank you. I felt like an idiot every time I searched no matter the context I ended up with the TV show.

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>>10320242
You guys guess the joke I left out. I couldn't remember/find Fry's line about becoming a delivery boy (again) so I left if out. It seems like a good seed to start another story line. (I've got one more strip to go (give or take) before I'm finished with this.) Thank you for the critiques and enjoying what I put out.

>>10319831
Conflicted: now I want to see more of the bunny woman but I also need to see how this thing ends for Teri.

>>10320894
Don't worry she's in the file for future appearances and/or maid outfit drawings.

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>>10319831
In that particular three panel strip no, the comic had other characters in it, yeah. The horse gal's actually an import that I sort of shuffle from place to place. I came up with her (and her name is in reference to) after seeing the video for the Metalocalypse song, Thunderhorse.

and yeah, >>10319935
Mana's a black poodle.

>>10319831

Here you go then. I don't have a working copy of SAI laying around, I might get it for you from one of my friends. Seems to be better for lineart in general. Opencanvas have no stabilization crutch but in general its brushes and options are nice. Do save very often cause I recall having frequent crashes with OC4 after 3-4 hours of work

my.mixtape.moe/acosae.rar

>>10316646
I might at some point, I still think my mains are OpenCanvas 6 and Aesprite

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>>10320242
It's OpenCanvas yes.

New thread.

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