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I'm a colossal faggot and forgot to put the title on OP. I am sorry.

Last thread brought us:

>The crazy train feat. Kayke, pintsizedpalace, and helicopter moms

>How to make your doll the optimal snowflake

>Sprouty Doll customer service nightmares

>Smart Doll's gonna release licensed characters
To get the ball rolling-- what characters would you like to see him pick up?

>Mr. Dollshe just wants to watch the world burn

>Fashion doll aesthetic and bjds

>Camera phones are okay for close up vanilla portraits

>Consensus is eyes/shoes from Taobao ok, clothes are a roulette in terms of quality

>Crackupmadness can't into man chests

>Can we petition Soom to provide blank face pics?
Seriously, this should be a thing.

BJD is in the post enough times that I was able to find the thread by looking for "bjd" in the catalog. This is fine, anon.

>To get the ball rolling-- what characters would you like to see him pick up?
Tsukimi from Kuragehime. I might be a little overly optimistic about this, but I feel like maybe there's a chance that some of the more fashionable shojo mangaka would be open to collaborations with Smart Doll since Son of Shoe God is in charge here.

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>>5969464
>To get the ball rolling-- what characters would you like to see him pick up?

I was pretty excited when he made the first comments/polls about licenses characters and Solid Snake was among them.
However, after he released his first guy I honestly hope he doesn't do him (unless he goes full Yoji Shinkawa style on him, which I doubt he can).

So, I'm pretty open.
Spike will determine how well licensed, non animu-waifus will work out (because lets honest, Volks does those good enough and it's not like those are hard to do in most cases).
And I'm not deep enough into Anime anymore to bring up characters...and most of them wouldn't work in his style at all.

>>5969464
even if danny picked up my waifu that volks will never make i'd never buy it
his team just cant sculpt good looking dolls. thats it.
maybe buy the clothes/wig but never the doll itself

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I would be 50/50 of buying a dannychoo, favorite anime character simply because of their artistic style.
I find their artistic direction to be boring. Not bad or anything, but just boring and lacks character. It is hard to describe.

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Legitimately angry with Kayke for giving 'advice' for this girl resulting in her doll looking like a Coffee clone and ruining what was initially a cute looking black doll, don't even talk to me about her latest invention which looks like a racist chariciture from the 1950's

BJD people, I checked into Danny Choo's site in over six years and I just want to ask you guys:

What's up with his new focus on BJDs and this smart doll he's doing?

>>5969702
Check the last thread anon, we talked about it there (and pretty much agree with you).

>>5969724
You are, uh, pretty late to the whole thing.

Dude was into DDs, had the dream of making his own line...and he did.
Not much to say there.

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>>5969724
Well, he made a DD originally into Mirai and then got the "brilliant idea" to make a robot doll version of his own design(think sorta Sumomo from Chobits), but so far the only mechanical components on his is a torso USB hub, which... is a disappointing gimmick.

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Have fun with the Ebay seller fee, heh.

>>5969805
>4 bids

.....this can't be true.
Dude has to be bidding himself, right?

>>5969462
ugg thicc

Ever since I learned about the horrid Dollshe waiting times, I've been nervous about the pure body I'm supposed to receive in a couple of months--I'm a first time Dollshe buyer, so something as long as 12 month wait times makes me pretty anxious.

>>5969880
Yeah, I bought a Saint in the last "TOTALLY LAST RUN" sale, but honestly don't mind if it takes a year. If it weren't for Dollshe being such a hot topic right now, I probably would have forgotten about my Saint on order until he showed up at my door. I'm only really going to hybrid his body for a floating head of mine and using the Saint head for mod work or something since the Dollshe heads are mostly rotting and clogging up the MP right now.

>>5969931
I bought a Husky head and it arrived in no time, and I made a separate order for the pure body. I'm just so antsy; I want his body to arrive when I get him back from having his faceup done.

>>5969464
>why the long face

>>5969805
I hope that's a typo. It's gotta be, right?
She's still 100k - 120k yen on Mandy

I wish I could scalp something for $19k.

>>5969805
Someone on Facebook claims to have been bidding on it and said that the winner had no feedback, so it'll probably just get mysteriously relisted.

>>5970069
You generally need 2 people. One that bid for about 20,000 USD. Then a second person has to bid for 20,100+ USD to make the bid that high.

Probably both fake accounts in this case.

What software do people usually use to design dolls?
I only know choo used zbrush and solidworks


>>5969749
If he went full lewd with these holes it would be much more entertaining

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>>5969462
I feel really bad for wanting one of these lewd dolls. I don't even know where to get one but they do things to my dick and it's uncomfortable.

>>5970158
cut off your dick

>>5970167
Soon, anon, soon.

>>5970158
I got an Angel Philia doll. She isn't one of the more lewd sculpts and has a small bust, but I think she's pretty cute.

>>5970158
wew bonercity

>>5970179
Pls post pics anon.

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>>5970179
>Angel Philia
Is that what OP and the one I posted are?
Regardless that's uh helloooooooooooo

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>>5970204
I like the ones that look like they're about to sneeze

>>5970208
Most of them look like they want to sneeze to various extents

>>5969702
I just noticed now, the eyes on v.1 are actually too close together, anatomically speaking.
So a singular improvement, amidst a pile of ruining.

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Searching for pics on Flickr and came across this gem. This makes pintsized look decent.

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>>5970202
Quick camera photo, but this is her. She's a vmf50 Mako and I plan on getting her faceup redone. Her current wig is... eh. I can't find a good wig for her that doesn't cover her eyes.
I would've gotten one of the more lewd sculpts for shits and giggles but being a college student that still lives with their parents, I don't want my parents breathing down my neck about it.
Also she has the small bust.

>>5970204
It depends. Vmf50s/angel philia dolls have a distinct style, and they use the obitsu50 base, which is different compared to DD bases/joints.

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I took it upon myself to confront pintsizedpalace re: using her dirty-ass feet while restringing another person's doll. Bear with me; they're phone screenshots.

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>>5970641

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>>5970646
That was the end of the convo after her last message.
Take from it what you will.

>>5970603
>I can't find a good wig for her that doesn't cover her eyes.
I'm really sorry to have to point this out.
But you'll have to trim it.
I don't know why some wigs in BJDs are still like this, but in human wigs, the bangs are designed to be trimmed and are therefore way too fucking long.
If you can't, I'd ask some friends. If I knew you, I'd do it for you.

>>5970650
Kind of makes you come off as an asshole there, anon.

>>5970661
The last time I tried to trim a wig I almost butchered the thing before salvaging it. I may just go to my hairdresser and ask him to help me out, lol.

>>5970665
Look at it this way: if you treat someone else's incredibly expensive property like dirt, you're probably going to get assholeish responses.
Yeah, I could've been nicer, but I wasn't.

>>5970666
That's...actually not a bad idea. They do train on wigs in the first place, they may be able to point you in the right direction.
It's pretty easy, once you get the hang of it. Scissors go the same direction as the hair, slowly work your way across. But there's still loads of ways to fuck that up, so taking it to someone that can help would be wise.

>>5970641
That was very brave of you.

>>5970650

This may just be me, but I just tend not to want to touch things with my feet. Maybe I'm not an "artist" like I thought I was.
That last msg from her is the height of self inflated pretension.

>>5970680
Lol not really. She's spineless and she knew that if she responded negatively, word would get out how awful she was.
>>5970681
Right? When I read her last message I couldn't help but roll my eyes.

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>>5970650
>I am beautiful and stupid and wonderously flawed by nature.
>wonderously

Dear lord. I was going to say I though you seemed a bit too aggressive but then that was said. Sounds like something a fedora would say. What a fruit.

>>5970686
*thought

>>5970650
I wished someone would just knock her off her damn high horse. Thanks for doing it.

>>5970204
>Is that what OP and the one I posted are?
No, your first post and OP are Volks Dollfie Dreams. I think the one you posted has a PeachPai torso which is soft squishy silicone without visible joints though, its an aftermarket part that is compatible with the Dollfie Dream standard bodies.

>>5970684
>what is sarcasm

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I hate scrolling through Instagram and seeing pieces of shit like this. If you're going to post something naughty at least make sure it looks semi natural and not just haphazardly thrown together.

>>5970845
>sarcasm is easily recognizable over the Internet

Lol gtfo

>>5970907
If you honestly thought someone was calling you brave for this petty bullshit you should kill yourself.

>>5970910
REEEE SOMEONE DID SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE REEEE

>>5970912
Sorry everyone isn't a callout-culture cunt.

>>5970918
>callout culture

I don't see anyone else bitching about it but you. Pintsizedpalace is that you?

>>5970922
Yeah I'm the feet chick for thinking you're full of yourself, you caught me.

>>5970925
I'm full of myself for posting logs of me confronting her for her shit behavior? Sorry you feel that way.

>>5970927
You're full of yourself for confronting some rando and screencapping it just so you can brag about it in the thread.
>>5970665
This anon was right, you both look bad in the caps.>>5970666

>>5970930
Sorry you think I came here to brag about it. You guys were bitching incessantly about it and I decided to confront her directly.

>>5970877
What's with her arm? Everything I'm this pic just looks awkward. I get it, sexual shit is kind of hard to recreate with dolls, but damn. This is bad.

>>5970941
in* typo

>>5970641
>>5970646
>>5970650
Honestly you look like an attention seeking ass.You could have handled that way better, because now you just look like a drama hungry bitch. Starting off like that shows that it's obvious you are trying to bait her and start a confrontation that you can post here for internet points. You are just as delusional as her if you can't see that. Her comments show that she is still delusional, but at least she handled that with grace instead of flying off like you.

>>5970964
>getting mad at someone over the internet
Rage about it to someone who cares.

>>5970967
How am I mad? It's not like I'm raging or anything at all, I'm just pointing out the truth. Looking at your posts you are the one that seems angry because people are calling you out instead of praising you like you expected. If you hadn't cared then you wouldn't have bothered to reply with the petty "LOL I DUN CARE".

Anyone else notice how Echo is jumping on the drama train re: miyadoll and Soom?

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>>5970877
>>5970941

Look like someone pissfarting around with their dolls to me. You know, playing with them. And juvenile sexual playing at that.

I don't think they were really aiming to make a work of art here and berating them for doing just that seems petty, is the point I'm trying to make.

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>>5971019
Wrong place to go all "people are just having fun, let it look like shit!". We are not Tumblr.

Sure that person wasn't aiming to create something that doesn't look like shit.
They can have as much fun as they want, and we can still think it looks horrible and cringy.

>>5970641
No clue what you hoped to achieve with that.
Always be nice, because now you just gave her fodder to whine in front of her friends and she will think of you as a troll anyway.
Always lure them out first and then smack them when they act like a tool.

Agree with >>5970686 though, that beautiful, stupid blabla part was just....wow.

>>5970941
I also thought this was hetero but of course just like every other fucking thing in this hobby it's apparently two dudes.

>>5971030
>mfw some chicks in the previous thread had the audacity to insist that this wasn't a creepy hobby that's comparable to grown men playing with little girl dolls
I didn't say anything, but cmon now. all the male dolls look like effeminate boys and we're talking about deviant tumblrina-tier hobbyists here

don't give me that shit about how its all innocuous

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>>5971033
>all the male dolls look like effeminate boys
Naw.

It's just obvious that in a hobby that is deeply rooted in other asian culture stuff (like Anime/Manga) you will attract the usual stereotypes.
With women that's the yaoi loving girl and with guys it's the middle-aged guy who is into waifus and afraid to speak to a real woman.
Got freaks on both sides.
And both prefer the youthful, perfect looking types.
It's not like DDs/most female dolls look like older, "flawed" women either.

I think I still prefer cringy, adult looking gay dolls enjoyed by young women versus dolls that look like six year old girls and are sexualized by grown man.

>>5970204
>>5970843
The OP pic is Smart Doll Mirai, actually.

>>5970494
She's actually improved a lot since then. That's probably one of her first faceups.

>>5970650
Anon, if you're the one shitstirring on tbjdc, you should probably come to realize we're not your personal army and you do look like a dumbass. I'm getting a lot of secondhand embarrassment from seeing you react to our rejection of your little crusade. We're here to laugh at trainwrecks, not interfere with them.

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Spilling beans here,

Had this doll on layaway, Souldoll Zenith Serena Centaur Ver. Can I expect their quality same as promo pics? Sculpt wise and slightly faceup. Noob here anyway DoA isnt any better than golden replies from anons.

BTW, I prefer old grown men playing with loli dolls than roaming around the streets stalking little kids.
Stop with the elitism with dolls, we're all in the same hobby. In the eyes of a normie we're all wierdos to them.

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>>5971135
I hear Souldoll is hit or miss and be sure to check out blank pictures first (if there are any). The ones I have seen in person are very lovely, though. I was really jonesing for Aehael when she was up, but got in an accident and had to use my extra play money and savings for doctors' visits. By the time I was reimbursed for those visits, she was off preorder of course. Honestly, I don't think they're bad. Some other anons should be able to enlighten you on which sculpts are derp.

>pic related is someone's Junia

>>5971145

Oh good lawd, well better to expect a lower standard than hype and later be disappointed. Wow she looks pretty as. Are the ones you seen in person customised like face up or body mods? Or out of the box. Faceups are easy as long as you know how to paint (fine art btw). Seen old photos of Souldolls but not latest ones. Push me to the back of my seat when I saw them and they were God awful. (Still new ones look promising.) Ordered here before even seeing those pics. As long as the sculps are decent tho for her price I expect Volks quality.

Had second thoughts on IslandDoll Sweet Amy before commiting to Serena. But was put off by ordering system on IslandDoll web and ACBJD's IslandD page is cucky as. And did not have any layaway option. Could still buy it outright but yea. Would they be any better?

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Wait, hold on anons I'm a bit confused. It's this for real the final product?

>>5971171
The ones I saw in person were vendor displays by SoulDoll themselves about 6-7 years ago and thought they looked nice. I've probably seen more in person but haven't realized it. I go to DollAkon and have been to BJDC, so there are probably quite a few passing through with their owners.

I've only seen a couple of IslandDolls and their yellowing was a bit off-putting to me. Like. Banana Yellow. I'm not even sure how long the company's been around.

>>5971176
Probably. Hope you weren't expecting accessories with it.
>OH LOOK. ANOTHER MIRAI MOLD.

>>5971176
Is it me or Danny's Mirai is full on referenced from Volks DD Mirai.
Oh wait what?
>OMG theyre the same name
>Calling a Kadokawa collab on a Mirai Mold that is 100% same molding machine.

Cant help but be triggered with dick moves from danny. Why not just put collab label on the clothes. B-but the royalties and fame. I guess trying to be like Volks with them collabs. Least try to be like volks having special edition heads and not using the same mold.

Inb4 luring out weebs into doll hobby.

I just wish this company did better.

>>5971135
Seconding other anon, it's hit or miss.
Face-up, clothes and such are pretty much like on pictures and well made.
But the faces...they tend to look very different blank and to me are often a little too wonky.

However, some are fine, some are not.
You need to wait till she arrives.
Since you bought her painted she should be fine.

>>5971176
...now I get the feeling Spike will be his regular pancake-face guy in Spike's outfit.

>>5971171
Islanddoll has great resin quality and customer service.
I once ordered a body from them through mail, incl. color matching from a part I sent them.
The body was sent to me three weeks later, completely sanded in a smooth tan color, matching my piece 99%.
It was their big Norse body too, and I got two kinds of thigh pieces (Islanddoll: "Some customers prefer other type, so we just inclue both").

Can't say much about their doll faces and such though.

>>5971195
*insert whatever company name to license*

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>>5971176
Wow.

>>5971196
I think most doll heads look wonky without a faceup. Even humans look like monsters without eyelashes and brows, or even without makeup, if not they must be angels. Well as long as they look good with a faceup. And yea could not resist top quality baits from them giving away 3 sets of hands, a human body, a free extra head(slighty different facial structure) from the jaw whopping nearly maxed out options without body blush, body paint on horse, painted accessories for not more than $1.9K usd.

>>5971210

I'm pretty shit at seeing potential from blank heads desu. I need a lot of owner pictures before I know if I like a sculpt.

>>5969633
him holding her shoes is a nice touch
what a cute couple.

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>>5971195
I think Danny's Mirai (Suenaga) looks more like DDH-06 (Miko). When he had his own Mirai (Suenaga) DD, she was a DD Saber.

The DD Mirai is one of their oldest DDs and had that 80s-early-90s anime look. Her renewal looks better, but meh.

Fuck this Mirai shit. Your waifu ain't futuristic.

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>>5971457
>samefagging, sorry
Pic related is DD Mirai

But yeah... I was hoping Danny would work on different actual sculpts, but nah.

So, doll akon should have a location soon.

>>5971544
Christ, already? It's only October. I don't plan for that shit until around February or March.

>>5971049
>implying there isn't a virtual sea of shota dolls
>I think I still prefer cringy, adult looking gay dolls enjoyed by young women versus dolls that look like six year old girls and are sexualized by grown man
I see no difference in creepiness from an objective standpoint. I'm sure those grown men also provide similar excuses of dolls being 'adult looking', doesn't make it any less creepy.

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>>5971562
The amount of shota dolls is a lot smaller though, or am I blind?
I regularly see obvious Loli DDs, but actual Shota dolls once in a new moon.

>I'm sure those grown men also provide similar excuses of dolls being 'adult looking'

They don't provide any excuses, because they don't try to hide it/don't even think those dolls look like adults.

>>5971544
They've moved A-kon to Fort Worth next year, so it's not all surprising. I thought we had the Anatole until 2020 or some jazz, but I'm sure the hotel got fed up with disrespectful weaboos trashing the place.

For those who don't know, the Hilton Anatole has a lot of art pieces and historical relics and the like. I'm not sure who thought it was a brilliant idea to bring in a bunch a hooligans to a place like that. There may also be factors like the fire marshal losing their shit again since the courtyard was not open last year to spread out.

>>5971559
My friends have already pre-reg'd. We usually try to book at the same hotel as the con super early for convenience sake, but since it's at an actual convention center, idk.

Why does everything good for sale always pop up at the same time? Is it just me or does anyone else notice that kind of trend?
>I don't need money for food anyway.

>>5971135
I ordered a Souldoll Aehael on layaway; the wait time wasn't too bad but that's probably because they started production when I made the first payment.

Aside from that, I've not had any problems with them.

>>5971196
That sounds promising. How much did you pay for the custom resin matching, anon?

>>5970641
you must be over 18 to use this site

>>5971176
why am i surprised he reused mirai??

>>5971457
yeah mirai is definitely a rip off of 06

>>5971768
It was 80$.

It was also a flat, i.e. no matter how many parts I would have ordered, the custom service costs the same.
I personally bought a full body and jointed heads.

>>5971843
That sounds like a steal, Jesus.

>>5971865
I was pleasantly surprised too.

They don't advertise this service on their website, and it was a friend who found out about it by accident.

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great, another train wreck in progress.

>>5969462
>>>5971544
>Christ, already? It's only October. I don't plan for that shit until around February or March.
They plan from July onwards, so yeah.
At least it won't be fucking De Soto rooms again. Fuck whoever said that was a good idea.

>>5971049
you're overextending those stereotypes.

the female collectors still need to have some income to afford it, they can't be that young
and it's not like the male collectors all collect child dolls, they range from middle school to to young adults.

>>5971992
Fucking. My format really messed up. Sorry

>>5971969
not stubby enough for a venus of willendorf

>>5971969
Is this sculpt called "stereotypical Tumblr user"?

>>5972002
Waist is still too small.

>>5970494
Eh, it's not professional and I don't think she does commissions but it's not really /bad/ just amateurish. It's too heavy but at least from that view it doesn't look terribly too uneven, just needs to learn to blend properly and probably to work in layers.

I mean, she's not one to really try for a very high standard and that's not even the worst of what I've seen from her constant mod projects.

>>5971969
Dem toes and fingers, though. She could've at least spruced those up a bit before posting progress photos.

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>>5971176
Buyf/a/g here, the outfit looks like something I'd expect from azone, which are very hit and miss. but at least they're cheaper than choo's dolls. and the face would make this one a miss anyway.

>>5972029
Retarded question, but Azone owns Obitsu, right? Cos those joints look awfully like an obitsu's joints.

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>>5971969
>>5972002
>Here's the list of accessories.
Dem tiddies look weird. Like, there's an invisible torpedo pressed up underneath and between them. Fat bodies also look weird without the cankles. idk why this would be a good idea. Everything about this has me scratching my head, even though it's (hopefully) a WIP

I think even Oakbottom's chunkyfat was better than this.

>>5972033
I want to say they use the same bodies for their bigger dolls, but the smaller ones have different bodies.

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>>5970877
>shit, did I leave the stove on?
Can this be our new
>pic related

>>5972033
I don't know about their corporate ownership, but they do use obitsu bodies for their character dolls.

Does anyone have any Sweet Dolls? I just put one in layaway and am kind of curious.

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>>5972054

>>5972043
Oh god for a second I was a Tumblrina but I detest those glasses

>>5971969
The legs don't look like they'll properly support the doll.
The problem with 3D printing dolls is that they need a LOT of work after printing to make sure the engineering functions properly.
And I really doubt she's going to put in that effort considering Coffee.

>>5972073
>Sweet Dolls
Huh. I honestly assumed only her friends ever ordered these things.

>>5972494
Are they bad, or...?

>>5971464
early DD were awful.

I wonder how nice they will look in 20 years ?

>>5972033

As far as I understand Azone, Parabox, Angel Philia etc all use Obitsu skeletons and skins manufactured either under license in-house, or to specification by Obitsu themselves. Maybe both depending on company, I'm not certain. I believe AP for example use stock Obitsu skeletons and cast their own skins. But I am open to correction on this.

>>5972029

I do agree with Azone clothing being highly variable. Some of their stuff I have is pride of my collection, yet other items from them are very mediocre in quality. It's a shame because their good stuff is pretty good, and it's all rather expensive.

>>5970877
That's one yellow doll.

>>5972738
I'm sure the bottom dude is supposed to have a brownish skintone, the picture just makes it look so bad (would guess on Iplehouse Real Skin).

>>5971994
And you think I meant those stereotypes also represent the majority of collectors.
They don't.

>the female collectors still need to have some income to afford it, they can't be that young

I said young women, not 10 year olds.

Also lots of people in first world countries walk around with phones in their pocket that cost easily as much as a proper SD sized doll.
In those 10+ years I've been in the hobby the amount of younger people being able to afford this hobby just got higher and higher.
It's not unusual anymore to see a 14-17 years old doll collector.
Especially since recasts got popular.
And those are the type deep in Animu hell, questioning their sexuality, thinking they are so edgy etc.; no surprise they own fugly yaoi dolls they plaster all around the internet.
Also the reason why I don't mind those as much, they probably still change/will cringe at what they did.
If they don't, they become cringeworthy 20-somethings.

I am also pretty sure that the average age among BJD collectors is younger than compared to DD collectors.

>and it's not like the male collectors all collect child dolls, they range from middle school to to young adults.

Aren't you 11-14 in middle school?
I'm not from the US, that's why I am asking.
That's still an awfully young age to fawn at as a 30+ dude.

However, again, as mentioned it's just a stereotype.
There are plenty of regular collectors on both sides.

>>5971210

The horse part was what made me order her in human form. Seriously that is the most out of proportion ugly horse body I've ever seen. Its a full scale to big for the human torso, the joints are ugly and the whole thing looks like it was sculpted by a person who's never seen a even a picture of a horse.

>>5972043
i notice fat women always have mac products.

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I rather like Choo stuff.
I'm on the edge about buying one or 2 dolls from him.
The new Crimson dude isn't as derpy as the eijung [?].

Is DD that much better ?

>>5972963
>Is DD that much better ?

Yes and no.
Keep in mind that Volks had several years of developing DDs now, did no guys so far (not counting the Vocaloid boy now) and probably got more money and workers, which both helps in getting interesting licenses AND achieving better quality.

Choo looks at it from a different view point.
He was also a DD collector first and, unlike Volks, is more connected to his fans.
Unlike DDs Smartdolls are very newbie friendly and he pretty much tries to get in the non doll-collecting crowd as customers.
They are not limited, easy to buy, price is nothing unusual for their size.
And he offers things people begged Volks to do for years (60cm guy, darker skintones, and those skintones are non-limited too) and still has that robot thing going on, even if I doubt this will ever be truly interesting.
Oh, and that built in socket for the stand.

However, they still have some issues and Choo is, uh, a difficult person at times.
He should also stop using the same face, especially Mirai's, again and again...while calling it a different name.

They are fine, Choo can still make them a lot better though.

>>5971576
what sculpt is the one on the left

>>5972073
I have a head from a faceup workshop. It's in a constant state of duckface, but has some interesting engineering for its FP. I've seen a few people do some full stuff with the bodies, but I haven't actually tried it out myself.

>>5972724
I agree, I'm glad that "found" dude finally quit showing off that ugly ancient DD. Photography was good and all, but the doll was just damned ugly.

>>5972738
You should look at the BJDs on Mandy to learn the true meaning of banana yellow (some I'm sure are poor lighting, but still)

>>5973029
Left is Soom Heliot, right is Spiritdoll Dark.

>>5973077
thank

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>>5971697
IMO a worse problem is when you buy something believing it was a good deal and then like 2 days later something way better and/or cheaper shows up. That shit really riles me up like nothing else.
Or wait 5 days with Mandarake payment hoping something else will pop up in that store that you'd want to add, but it only ever happens after you're already completed payment.

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>>5972963
Crimson has the same head-sculpt, just darker skin tone. Choo too lazy.

Miho is cute as fuck. If I hadn't dropped $1,100 on my car in the last month I'd totally be getting her.

Hopefully Danny will hold true to his promise and she'll be available this winter in case I get a bigger bonus than I'm expecting.

I think I want to start a US based doll company that specializes in higher end stuff compared to say MOC.

I think there's a need but I'm not sure where to start.

thoughts?

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>>5973185
If you don't know how to start a business then it's probably not the best idea for this to be your first. You should have at least some experience considering this is still a very niche hobby in the grand scheme of things and you'd undoubtedly stumble over the simplest of hurdles. Then you need a small but competent team that doesn't consist just of other dollfags. Passion doesn't replace knowledge and sales techniques.
If you're serious about it take a course or finish a degree, do market research (careful, people in forums tend to say they're definitely interested and might even give you moral support but end up buying from less expensive Japanese/Asian exporters in the end), maybe start a website to get your name out/build an image, otherwise it's a waste of time and it'll no doubt end in tears and disappointment, not to mention financial issues.

>>5973221

My father owns/has owned several online businesses similar to DDE/MOC, but in different niches, which is what has me thinking about it. I have plenty of resources in terms of knowledge. I'm just self-doubting I guess. It's why I've sat on the idea since 2013 when I took some small business counselling on the idea. I even bought a domain and set up a beta shop before ultimately chickening out. But I guess never starting is just as bad as building a business that fails.

I guess a better question would be what kind of vendors would people like to see with US dealers?

>>5973095
It's a bit different besides the skin tone.
Face up maybe.

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>>5973232
Maybe don't start a legit business right off the bat then.
Start as small reseller with your own website or even a blog at first, something that can get a lot of exposition, like tumblr. Have a couple of dolls at first, some sets/clothes or whatever you had in mind (from popular companies) that are sure to sell.
You can also try to contact a few doll companies with inquiries about their distributor/resale policies, what their minimum order quantities would be for a maximum discount price. Most companies will want references to even consider agreeing to this kind of agreement, so you should have at least a basic yet well-designed online shop established that you can show off. Depending on their business model, presentation, a concise proposal and politeness will get you far. Sometimes they require a specific turnabout in sales.
But if you want minimum paperwork/communication hassle, set up a one year plan for yourself that involves constantly searching doll company webstores for sales, limited products etc. and then sell them for regular/a slightly marked up price at your store until you've acquired several return customers and made some profit. That'll usually be enough to show if you can follow through with some bigger moves.

>>5973264
faceup doesnt make the sculpt different and danny any less of a talentless fuck

>>5973300
basically

the eyes piss me right the fuck off. i mean honestly they're releasing an official product with makeup that only makes the eyes look bigger with all that nasty flesh-colored flash of the actual sculpt

how hard is it to sand your derpy goddamn anime boy's eyes on the sides and make a new slush mold

>>5973185
I doubt this would work.
Let me explain:

think about it, who tends to buy from dealers?
People who are lazy, afraid and/or cheap.
People who know their shit, don't mind the work, won't accept less or don't care about possible extra costs (in countries with customs) rather order themselves.
The latter ones only buy from you when you have something in-stock.
That means you need to actually need to have the pricey articles in-stock instead of providing pre-orders/ordering on behalf.

The reason MOC and co. work is because they offer cheap companies.
They cater to the people who need someone holding their hand.
Those people are happy with getting any doll, instead of sitting down and ordering from a dealer-less company like Iplehouse, even if they prefer Iple.
Those people also don't know many companies outside of those they see with local dealers.
They often don't know there's more to find out there (and if they do, it's too "scary" to buy anyway).

Also, ever realized that most dealers offer the same companies again and again?
It's because those companies are interested in having dealers.
The other ones are either hard to work with or flat out refuse to work with dealers.
So you might be unable to get those "higher end" companies in your boat anyway.

Your options:
- become a reseller
Buy that shit, sell it for a mark-up.
Works best when the stuff is "hard" to get and you got enough stupid/afraid, but not cheap, people who are interested in it.
Unfortunately that means you need to pay first.
Don't do that with Taobao articles/mark things up too high, else you are just known as that greedy reseller who tries to trick people.

- become a dealer for obscure, but friendly artists
i.e. those small Taobao doll artists, japanese tailors etc.
Unfortunately the language barrier is a big issue with those. If you manage to handle some of them, and it works out, you could actually be pretty successful.

>>5973324
In short: might be hard to appear interesting to the higher-end buyers, might be even harder to actually get companies to work with you.

On another sidenote: what makes you think there is a need for a dealer providing higher-end stuff?
Majority of collectors are cheap fucks, especially in the US.

DDE probably mostly works because they are still willing to offer Fairyland AND have layaway.
If they had ditched FL, like they had planned, the store would probably barely exist anymore.
And MOC lives from those lazy/afraid buyers who take what they can get.

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>>5973278
I think you and I are on the same page. A lot of this is what I was thinking, too. I do not even want to start with dolls outright.

>>5973324
I think there is some appeal in being a US-based store, generally. Certainly DDE sells Leekeworld, but where else can you go for wigs? People buy things from Jpopdoll and their shit is neither cheap nor attractive. Same with monique stuff. I am personally frustrated that I cannot think of anywhere in the US that sells nice doll clothes for BJD at all. You can order from the source, but pay higher shipping, longer waiting times, etc. when clothes, shoes, wigs, eyes etc are often more of a time crunch compared to dolls.

Rockyn Resynoids made money so I feel like it can't be all that difficult.

>>5973354
Dollfair also had some of the same 'niche' I'm thinking of. At the time they really offered higher end dolls compared to what I can remember as the only other US dealer (Junkyspot) and nicer accessories. Then, later, they even got into art dolls. Unfortunately the owner was a crazy cunt who ran off with all the cash but I know first hand that she made mad cash before/during. Source: I've worked with both of these companies in the past.

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>>5973354
Yeah, dolls are a bit more of a gamble, so I'm glad you're leaning more towards clothes and wigs. Quality shoes are also somewhat rare. It's certainly a plus when one doesn't have to wait more than a week to get some nicer peaces.
Since I'm a europoop I'm not much help in regards to the actual process of opening up an independent, legitimate business in the US. But since your dad is experienced in that area you're basically covered. I'll just have to witness the blossoming of business that aren't ruined by savage customs and import taxes from the sidelines.

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>>5973438
Also, should that be a company you're interested in reselling, Volks has a list of Dollfie Dream Friend Shops. So they welcome smaller dealers to sell their stuff. Considering how "well stocked" their USA webstore is with actual good sets, you'd certainly manage to sell everything once they run out of stock (at the latest) if you're patient and have a good nose for what's in demand.

>>5973232
One problem is that even cheap dealers probably don't sell as much as people expect. Look at Jeeryama's completed sales, they probably only sell about a dozen things over $100 on regular months. Looking at acbjd order numbers, they probably only do a few low thousands of sales per year, and that includes people who just bought $36 of accessories with free shipping. I think the problem of starting a new dealership is that the cheapo fug shit is what helps keep the existing businesses afloat.

>>5973354
Those guys probably made money because they offered cheap shit to people who are easily impressed.
Which, again, is more difficult the better and pricier stuff gets.

If you really want to mostly aim for better quality, fast to get clothes, wigs and co. you still have two problems: find suppliers, stock up.
Most big suppliers of clothes/wigs are either the usual cheapo chinese guys, doll companies (who are probably not willing to have a dealer that isn't interested in their dolls)...or the mentioned single person companies that might be difficult to contact and handle.
I mean, how many wig suppliers are there, that are better than Leeke?
Leeke isn't even great, but Lullaby Poem and co. are also hit or miss.
Maybe ForMyDoll, at least their wigs are thickly wefted.

And then you got the stock issue.
If you offer pre-orders it's like ordering from the company, so not interesting.
But having lots of in-stock stuff eats away space and you might not get it sold.

>>5973483
Agree with you.
We had a local dealer for DZ once, who got into trouble when DZ made their X% off events.
Her margin was then based on the event price, which was already pretty small anyway.

I honestly doubt dealers earn that much.
Especially when the end buyer prices need to include shipping, customs, taxes and co., but at the same time can't be so high that it's way better to order straight from the company.

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Hey /bjd/ I'm going to Glorious Nippon in November and I want to buy a doll at Volks while I'm there.. I'm hoping to either get a Yo-SD or a MDD.

Has anyone ever bought a doll straight from the store? Is it possible if I don't speak Japanese? Are Yo-SDs even available outside of events and stuff?

>>5973623
Is Secondhand fine? Mandarake always has plenty of Yo. Otherwise Volks sells MDD Rena but that's it for Standards

>>5973631
Ah yeah I was thinking about Mandarake too, but I also kinda want it new.. I'll see if I see any I like.

>>5972494
Why? She does make money on them, so...

>>5973623
I picked up a Coordinate Model SDM while I was in Sato unless you're dead set on an MDD. Didn't see any Yos for sale in official Volks stores unfortunately but, Volks allows tourists into their special events now where they offer Yo-Tenshi sometimes. You just have to time your visit right.

>>5973623
>>5973650
Check out Dollyteria/ the bjd closetchild while you're there too. There's always an abundance of Volks on their site/

I ordered a doll for a good BJD friend's Christmas gift and I'm excited as fuck because it shipped a few days ago. I got poor man's shipping so who knows when it'll come, but it's only October. We good.

What extras can I include that won't cost me out the butt? I have a spare pair of urethanes, so I was thinking that and maybe some other small things. What little things would you want with a gift doll?

>>5972591
They definitely aren't my aesthetic and I have some slight personal bias on the artist, but honestly? I just haven't seen anyone mention owning one that wasn't an IRL friend of hers or someone also from the Junkyspot forums. So I have no idea if they're bad quality. I kind of suspect their posing ability is exaggerated and their sculpting isn't as refined as other dolls in the same price bracket but they don't seem like they're going to break or be stiff stick figures or anything.

>>5973677
Like I said, I just haven't seen anyone who isn't already her friend talk about them. I didnt even realize she had made more than that first Gretel-like sculpt since that's the only one I've ever seen mentioned.

>>5973095
Shit this actually looks kinda nice. Still a bit derpy but in an older anime way I'm kinda into.

>>5973919
What, Inuyasha?

Also I just got my hands on my first MDD, and I read somewhere that MDDs can wear Slim MSD clothes? Is that true?

Also what's the difference between a Mini Dollfie Dream and a Mini Super Dollfie?

>>5974000
MDD is a loli version of Dollfie Dream (vinyl with internal skeleton), MSD is a loli version of Super Dollfie (traditional resin BJD with string inside)

>>5974009
Ohhh, okay. Makes sense.

>>5973089
Hng, I love everything about this outfit.

>>5973438
>Quality shoes are also somewhat rare
This so much. I'm so tired of seeing the same cheap ass Taobao/eBay shoes at vendors. This year I was shoe shopping at DollAkon for a MNF and there was just.... nothing. Not even for other sized dolls. I'm not even that picky, but was very dismayed by the lack of doll shoes.

>>5973777
Maybe an underwear set? It's basic enough and doesn't leave things out in the open. A wig wouldn't be too bad. I think either way, your friend's going to shit themself. (I would.)

>>5973896
The resin of the head I have is actually nice quality. It's just super heavy. Not shiny or anything. I was impressed by the quality since it was an artist cast.

>>5974000
I am not totally for sure, but when browsing Volks clothing I often see "Suitable for MSD/SDM/MDD/SDC" on some outfits, so it probably just depends on the outfit. If it's something fitted like pants, do more research. If it's something loose like a dress, it may be more compatible between lines.

For reference:
>MSD = Mini Super Dollfie, ribcage torso joint
>SDM = The new version of MSD basically, has waist torso joint
>MDD = Mini Dollfie Dream - vinyl w/skeleton
>SDC = Super Dollfie Cute, which was Volks' slim mini, but hasn't seen any releases in the past few years. Has two torso joints at underbust and waist.

Shit gets confusing, but all the resins are compatible head/body-wise.

MDDs can interchange heads with regular DDs.

>>5973896
I picked up one of of the tiny 3d printed ones she made a while back... It poses amazingly. I was actually rather surprised.

>>5974137
Ohhh, that's helpful! Thanks!

>>5973586
I remember the first western Elfdoll dealer only got about 20% of the sales price, and she had to throw in the towel eventually because IIRC after all the business expenses she was barely breaking even for hours and hours of work. I assume all the western dealers take 1+ extra month to deliver because they hoard up orders to save on shipping and get the discount.

>>5972926
It reminds them of MacDolans

Does anyone know if doll factory is gone? I wanted their senior ari body but the website seems to be out of commission and it's sold out in dolk :/

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>>5973777
Depends how well equipped your friend already is. If they have some spare clothes/sets/wigs they like, try to find one nice looking clothing piece (depending on their preferences, a warm cardigan, a floofy skirt, etc.) or maybe something Christmas-y (a Santa hat, warm mitts and scarf combo). I'm sure even props/accessories like necklaces, scrunchies etc. would be appreciated.
If they only have a bare bones collection where most outfits are already in use, then basically what >>5974137 said, so the doll doesn't have to be naked and bald while they shop for clothes.

>>5973777
Also, would you mind disclosing what doll you got for them? Even company and size would already mean something.
Or are you worried that your friend stalks these forsaken grounds as well.

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>>5973919
That face has a modded mouth at the very least, but I'm sure there are other touch-ups on the sculpt itself, although nothing could save that nose... Eiji head looks like it was cast in mud. Plus there's a more competent face-up artist at work here.

>>5974766
Heck, the resellers we have for the company I work at get 20%...and our product is completely digital and support is done through us too.
So they basically just offer a place to shop for in countries where handling stuff ourselves would be too hard.
And those guys still don't get that much out if it.

20% for all the work and costs you have with physical, imported goods...doesn't sound like it's worth it.
Not to mention how annoying customer service is, especially because you can't do anything to make things better.
You are completely dependent on the company providing the correct goods in an appropriate timeframe.

No surprise there aren't that many dealers out there anymore.
In my country there are none left, and we had four very active ones (and one that was super popular among them) when I started.

>>5974137
I have underwear covered, but that is a good idea. The doll is an OC of theirs, so I'd be worried about buying the wrong style/colored wig.

>>5975121
I'd rather not say the specific sculpt. I don't think said friend uses 4chan but they know that I do. Is there any reason you want to know exactly which sculpt it is?

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>>5975160
Knowing the sculpt might let us understand your friend's preferences better which makes it easier to give more suggestions (boy/girl, body shape, size, company and so on), since I'm sure you selected it with great care or it's a doll already on your friend's wish list.
But of course you don't have to give any further details, no pressure.

Re: being a reseller

I've seen 5 Canadian doll and accessories shops close since I started up in 2009. Two of which didn't even last a year.

And there's a bunch of euro shops that have closed or will be closing.

And that's even with the sites selling ninestyle or dollheart instead of or ontop of the super cheap shit.

There's also former shop owners who go on to say it's not worth it, it was a labor of love and the lack of success/difficulties with the shops bled into their enjoyment of their own dolls.

>>5975219
BJDs are a hobby, not a career. I say this as someone who works with a BJD company (a known one). They can only afford to make and sell their dolls at all because they're housewives with other means of income. Resellers have it even worse.

Sure, some people can make a job out of it, but the best you can aspire to be is low wage or retail employee kind of work.

>>5975374

Uh. They're definitely not all housewives. You do know there are several BJD companies owned by men, correct? Also, some of them are really young and I doubt they fill a typical housewife role.

I did always wonder how big BJD companies run their businesses if they have other jobs.

>>5973438
What kind of doll is this?

>>5972288
My hero

>>5975374
>They can only afford to make and sell their dolls at all because they're housewives with other means of income.
...
>Mr. Dollshe is a housewife
>Bimong is a housewife
>the 200+ employees of Volks and 20+ Fairy;and employees are housewives
shocking

.....to be fair, Kayke is a housewife (actually some non-shit Western makers are too, like Batchix.) But this is such a bullshit assumption. Most people who work for them full-time in an artist or sculptor capacity have a preexisting artistic career.

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So this is what Culur did for 200 'murican dollars in the span of 5 months. She didn't even follow the customer's request.
Why is this scammer popular again?

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>>5975936

I was curious coz I saw this on TBC on tumblr, so I started watching the girls video. She said she cried because it was so inaccurate.
She wanted blues and yellows and purples in there as well as pink. The accessories are gold, which the person did not ask for. And the blushing started chipping outta the box.
That's just friggen unacceptable.

I just can't believe Culur gets commissions and is so popular when she's so blatantly terrible. Even the black around the eyes is peeling up??

I'm so pissed off on this girls behalf.

>>5976098
She hasn't even posted it anywhere I know of. Probably because she knows she fucked up

>>5976098
>>5975936
I really love this doll but that faceup just is awful for it.
I feel so sorry for the commissioner.

Are there resin dolls with frames like DDs or doesn't that work because they are too thick and not elastic?

>>5976184
Exactly that.

>>5976193
Aw, too bad, thanks.

I just bought a Meiki Cherry Evolution.

Did I fuck up?

>>5975936
>>5976098
So THIS is the doll that TBC mentioned. Cute doll. Wish I had one of my own. Awful work on culur's part though.

I don't understand why people think they can slap the title "faceup artist" on themselves just because they did a few mediocre faceups on their own dolls.
It feels like there aren't any real standards anymore.

>>5975219
I think the only way somebody could succeed as a reseller now is to ride the cheapo cock as hard as possible, and get exclusives. And find some shills. A lot of minis are as cheap as bobobies, if somebody had a dozen people spamming tumblr, da, yt, and Instagram, they might be able to rope in some sweet 20% commissions on $150 dolls.

>>5976203
Fuck off.

>>5975936
You can see on the picture that the black eyeliner part peels off.
Wow.
I would feel so ashamed if I'd sent something like this to a customer.
Not to mention the fact she didn't do what the customer clearly asked for.

However, I am also very angry at the customer.
In her video she talks about not being the type to confront people, but also admits on being very disappointed, having cried etc.
I assume Culur sent her pictures (can't remember anymore if she mentioned it in the video) before shipping out the doll?
She paid 200$ for something that is not what she wanted and is pretty much falling of her doll's face...and she has no spine, no confidence, no will to speak up about this?
Instead she let Culur take her money and keep on doing her thing?
Let Culur just ship back the doll?
Honestly, if you are that much of a push-over you deserve to be trampled on.

>Why is this scammer popular again?
Because people like this one let her go on with her bullshit.
People have said several times now that Culur doesn't care about customer wishes, but none of them really spoke about it or demanded money back/a repaint.

>>5975866
>>5975646

Agree with you.

I doubt most of the female artists are "just" housewives who sit at home all day and sculpt a head here and there.
Doubt most of them even have a regular family with husband and child.
Also sculpting/making dolls can be as much of a job as any art done and sold from home.
Just because you aren't slaving away your time in some cubicle does not mean you don't have a job.
If you spent 9 hours a day sculpting, casting, taking care of orders it's definitely a job too.

And as others said already, quite a few of the sculptors are in fact male, usually with a family.
Dollshe, Bimong, Granado's Crocus, Haru.
And those guys definitely work full-time for their own company.

And the female sculptors I know who aren't working full-time at the big companies tend to have a stable job, usually with a different kind of artistic medium, or are freelancers.
Like graphic designers, concept artists etc.
Or you sculpt for the toy industry, movies, cars etc. during the day and do your own stuff in your free time.
Namonaki did/does sculpting for toys and such for example.

However, those are mostly not western examples.
I am sure that among the western BJD artists are a few that might fall in the housewife category, but not in a typical way.

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This is my minifee Soony and I think she's pretty cool.

>>5976351
Her eyebrows are grainy and her flyaways are messy as fuck.

I don't understand why so many people like the Soony sculpt. It looks a bit mental, desu.

>>5976359
yup! They are. But I like her. I do my own faceups and eyebrows are always a struggle. But hopefully every one I do I'm getting better!

People like different sculpts, Anon. I think she looks sweet.

>>5976284
>Fuck off.
Did I ask the wrong thread?

>>5976378
>Meiki Cherry Evolution.
Yes, try /jp/.

>>5976284
I watched the video today and I don't recall her saying she got pictures.
I'm assuming thats why she cried; culur sent it without showing she'd fucked up and now that the owner has it, its much more of a hassle to send it back/get a refund.

Culur is so tacky; she's one of the people who give BJD hobbyists a bad name -n-

>>5976351
You seem nice, anon. You should probably keep your posts to FB, though. Tumblr might be good for you, too.

>>5976393
Makes it even worse that she just pretty much accepts it.

>>5976398

Thanks anon, but I've been on /toy/'s bjd threads since 2009 or so. No one posts their dolls anymore. I try to add in content every couple threads or so, but it never seems to work. I'm never sure if other people here even have dolls, or if they just like drama anymore. It's like a mini /cgl/- actual cosplay or gl content is dwindling in favor of drama. And that's sad.

>>5976416
Have lots of dolls, can't risk posting them because I have a shop and my dolls can very easily linked back to me.
Sucks sometimes.

I'm not even one to make rude posts but people react pretty badly when they know you post here, so eh.
I bet if that wouldn't be the case more people would post here.

>>5976424
It's weird because there never used to be a problem. It's not like we're a recast forum. People here are more tame than the confession boards for the most part. Spookfairy really did a number on this comm-- before, it didn't matter if you posted here. After all, so few people posted here that no one except for other people who posted here knew you were here!

>>5975646
The company ~I~ work with is housewives. I wasn't generalizing every BJD maker. Just saying no one gets rich off making them, let alone reselling them.

>>5976433
Yeah, it was easier before, but still a risk.
It's 4chan after all, no matter what you post, you are still posting here.
And considering how much of a cuddle mentality goes on in the BJD community (despite lots of drama, gossip, backstabbing and anon bullshit through confession Tumblr) it's no surprise they lose their shit when they suspect someone of posting here.

>>5976437
>>5975374
>BJDs are a hobby, not a career. I say this as someone who works with a BJD company (a known one). They can only afford to make and sell their dolls at all because they're housewives with other means of income.

Maybe you shouldn't have worded it like it's an absolute truth in the first place.
Because your first post does not come across as "I work for X company, it works for X because she's a housewife, but this might not be true for everyone".

>>5976424
honestly i post my dolls all the time and they are all recognizable, and that hasn't effected people always messaging me asking for faceup commissions despite my shop having been closed for over a year. that may be because i dont post on tumblr, or maybe most people who hire me are older women who probably don't even know 4chan exists

>>5976530
It's probably the latter.

As said, it's a small chance it happens.
But when it happens, it can get pretty nasty, and I generally try to avoid any risks.
Shit can be stressful enough with people lying on Confession Tumblrs already, I don't need to add more to that.

>>5976098
>Black around eyes is peeling
I have a doll who I received with a faceup that I love and the eyeliner is peeling like that dolls. Is there any way I can fix it?

>>5976560
Hmm, might be difficult.
If it's on the inside (like in her case), you might be able to seal everything, reapply the paint, let it dry, seal it, gloss it.
Might have a few bumpy spots, but should look okay (especially when you add lashes afterwards).
Might be a good idea to gently peel off as much as possible before/press everything down with a toothpick so it won't flake even more.

If it's on the actual outer surface, i.e. the face itself...not much you can do.
At least not in a way that is pleasing to look at.
It's basically the same steps, but you need to be a lot more careful, have a stable and calm hand and hope it won't peel off even more.

>>5976538
i've even been confessed about once, but nothing else ever happened. i suppose it depends on how "out there" you are. i dont have any social media for my shop, i only post pictures on flickr, with maybe a sentence or two in the description. i never favorite other people's pictures, and rarely comment unless its something i really like. i also rarely post on DOA. so i guess as long as you don't put yourself out there in the open, no one gives a fuck if you post on 4chan? but honestly, if you do good faceups and have nice dolls you can get away with anything, seems like. otherwise why would people still hire culur, kayke, all those people caught with recasts/fucking up people's commissions etc etc?

>>5976424

Personally I avoid posting my dolls because the standards on here are insanely high. Even if you have really well customized dolls they will be shit on if you like a style someone else doesn't. 4chan as a whole lives by the 'stop liking what I don't like' mentality so even saying something as innocuous as 'I like watercolor pencil faceups' will have people trying to coerce you into typing out a 12 page essay to justify your personal taste.

Plus the bleed out of /pol tards to every other board.

>>5975936
>>5976098

Hold up, there's something that's bugging me about this.

I thought with most faceup commissions there are usually progress pictures to make sure that both sides are still on the same page with what the doll should look like. Especially if we're talking a $200 faceup. I even recall seeing a few posts here within the past couple months that mentioned a lot of issues started coming up during this part of the commission progress. So that means either there was zero contact after the initial request on what the doll should look like, or there were pictures sent but the girl who owns the doll didn't say anything about it being wrong.

If it's the first one, then how the fuck are no progress pictures not sending up like 80 billion red flags for people? How is she getting so popular and so many commission requests with zero contact throughout the process? That would scare the daylights out of me. If it's the latter, then how come she didn't speak up and say "hey, this isn't at all what I asked for"? It's not like this is a rude customer case, this is straight up Culur not doing what she was paid to do. Speak up dangit!

>>5976416
I'm still a newbie myself so I figured my dolls aren't anywhere ready for 4chan's standards yet. I posted one of mine once a good while ago when someone asked about a etsy seller's clothes and that was it.

Mainly the flyaways on their wigs are the trouble, no matter how much I brush them I can't get them to stay neat. My MSD is waiting on a wig that should hopefully fit her a lot better than her current one (it likes to fall off at the slightest touch), so hopefully that'll help.

>>5976671
Flyaways are part of life. I have them. You probably have them. Doll wigs do too. Most people photoshop them out. Personally I'd never give anyone shit for flyaways (outside of a pro level shoot) but I may be in the minority. >>5976359

>>5976671
>>5976416
>>5976398
Since no one posts their own dolls, does anyone have dolls from other owners they like?
It seems only generic Volks-type dolls get posted here, and while they're definitely cute, everyone has a personal taste.
Who are you favorite doll owners/dolls?

>>5976671
>If it's the first one, then how the fuck are no progress pictures not sending up like 80 billion red flags for people? How is she getting so popular and so many commission requests with zero contact throughout the process? That would scare the daylights out of me.

Because people don't speak up.
When she fucks up, people quietly accept it and don't commission her again.
They don't warn others that working with her can be unpleasant.
They probably don't cause "trouble" because a) the hobby is full of anxious pushovers who lack a spine and b) because they fear her fans.
She has a shitload of people following her despite all the bullshit she has done in the last years.

>If it's the latter, then how come she didn't speak up and say "hey, this isn't at all what I asked for"? It's not like this is a rude customer case, this is straight up Culur not doing what she was paid to do.

see a)
It's sad how often people can keep on doing 'their thing' till someone finally speaks up about it.
Lots of people are too afraid to leave feedback, or lie when they do so.
I usually try to urge people to look at it like that:
if someone before them would have spoken up about it, they could have avoided all this.
Be the change, save someone from having to endure the same.

>>5976591
Am pretty out there.
Got an active Flickr and Instagram.
I am very active on DoA and Tumblr too, but I just write there (and rarely post pictures, mostly because I don't take pictures that often anymore).
I'm pretty 'in' the community, to speak.
And there are already people who dislike me and spread lies (local people, usually ones who fucked up in our local forum and are angry that I got them banned), that's why I try to keep things low.
It annoys me, it really does, but it's less stressful that way..

>>5976416
I post my most recognizable doll fairly often. He'll, I recall someone sending I. A confession that they were going to rat me out to a friend because they thought I talked shit about her here.

Friend and I had a good laugh about it.

But because of that, I feel like you never know how many people here would happily throw you under the bus if they got the chance.

>>5976671
It sounded like she was really surprised when she got it so I assumed no photos were involved. I have a lot of friends who get anxious about not wanting to seem pushy or demanding too, so I can see how she could have let it happen.

I think she should have been more assertive too, but this is still all on Culur. I do wish she would actually speak up too though.

>>5976591
>but honestly, if you do good faceups and have nice dolls you can get away with anything, seems like. otherwise why would people still hire culur, kayke, all those people caught with recasts/fucking up people's commissions etc etc?

Good question, but I think it really depends.
In case of Culur lots of her fans are young, new or not even in the hobby.
She's good at hiding what she did in the past, and unless you dig a little deeper you would never know what she did just from looking at her Instagram for example.
I mean, she has that big 'no recasts' label on top, makes you think she was always anti or something.
And since people don't really speak up about their problems, how would you know she sucks at her business?

And else...sometimes people are desperate or don't know better, so they take what they can get.
Have low standards (reason why they eat up Kayke's dirty and lazy work) or hire them once...and after that fuckfest, never again.
Or they are cheap.
As if Culur would have been that successful if she hadn't copied Andreja.
Lots of people probably commissioned her because she's the cheap and available version of Andreja.

Fans often make no sense.
And keep in mind that many of us have seen these things unfolding, if you get in two years later that stuff is usually buried already and nobody knows what happened.
Fuck, sometimes it takes a month for people to forget.*

*(I know that this would be an argument for just posting your dolls and not caring, but still.
The internet itself does not forget, and you always have a few people who seem to be able to bring up even the oldest things, no matter how long ago that might have been.
I should know, I'm one of those)

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>>5976705
Seems like people don't post their dolls for a lot of reasons, such as

>People will discover me on 4chan
>Get told to fuck off (for asking about thunderbirds, sex dolls, /fa dolls)
>Get told shit phone camera pictures
>Clown face ups
>Recasts can also fuck off

Those are the major reasons for not posting any OC pictures here.

As for favorite dolls, I like how Iplehouse stuff looks but I don't buy them because of their faults.

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Posting my doll just 'cause. Still no luck with finding him a fairyland feeple60 body. I might get him a dollzone body instead, one of those new clearly 5th motif inspired ones that came out a while ago. They look like they pose pretty good. I'm thinking of maybe buying some hands from denverdoll to see how the new normal yellow resin looks in person. I figure if push comes to shove, since this head is actually super old and yellowed beneath all the blushing I did, I could just wipe him and paint him over so he'd match a more yellow body. Would suck though because I really like how his faceup came out. :\

Also are dollzone wait times still fucking ridiculous as I heard they used to be?

>>5976683
Oh well now I feel silly, I didn't realize people photoshopped them out! That's cool if it's not something people give a lot of shit for though, I've been working on getting better with taking pictures of mine but flyaways is the one part that hasn't changed at least a little.

>>5976705
First one that comes to mind is Nyxy. Her Tripp doll is really pretty, and I'm excited to see how well the Luna sculpt she made is gonna do. Cutest little bjd bat I've seen yet! Also I know this is on the subject on bjd clothes more than dolls, but cyristinecreations is open again and she added some more cute stuff to her shop! Including a Sylveon hoodie, one of my favorite pokemon so that kinda made my day.

>>5976751
Yikes, that does make sense but that's crazy that people have to fear that Culur fans will rabidly attack people like that. That does explain why people lie on feedback and not want to cause any trouble, which is a shame. Hopefully more people will be honest about feedback to avoid stuff like this though, being the change like you said can make a big difference.

>>5976761
I can understand that mindset, especially since it's usually best not to rush artwork. I'm kinda like that myself; some of that went away when I started working retail, but I still get really nervous about being too pushy about things.
Hopefully the more this recent story spreads around, the higher the chance more people will call Culur out on this nonsense.

>>5976793
I like him! I love his eyebrows. Do you have any tips on painting smooth eyebrows? As an anon pointed out, mine always end up grainy.

Does anyone know what happened to Arcadiadoll? I'd kill for certain pieces from them.

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>>5976846
Thanks! xanthi has a very good guide to doing eyebrows which is basically exactly how I do them. Keep the saying "less is more" in your mind as you do them. You don't have to paint every little hair, its more like the suggestion of of it being full of hairs. (Xanthi's tutorial shows more hairs than I would normally do,) Keep the paint thin, and do light strokes.

http://jointedlove.blogspot.com/2014/09/basic-eyebrow-painting-guide.html

pic related is a closer look at his eyebrows

>>5976393
Re: Culur drama
I'm really surprised that Culur fucked up this bad. I've had one faceup/body blushing commission done by her and it wasn't too bad. Maybe I don't know better in regards to faceups and body blushing, or maybe I was just lucky.

... she body blushed my doll's vulva, though. Something that I kind of didn't want, cos this doll is very small and just coloring the genitalia seems jarring to me.

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(Hope I'm not too late to the party with this one.) So, Artbimong recently came out with a new 60cm narae body. I think I might be tempted to get one simply because I want something with a fairly good range of motion that isn't from Fairyland.

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>>5977292

>>5977292
i was tempted until i saw the price, its way too steep for me. Even with the engineering, $850 is crazy. Fairyland65 dolls are equally complicated but aren't that expensive as a basic. A shame because she really is beautiful.

>>5977292
She's genuinely beautiful, I hope they make something similar in the MSD line, their bodies seem to be (beautiful but) lacking.

>>5977292
If it's posible resin you want, maybe Shinydoll, if they're still around? Also i remember thinking one of the new-ish companies had a nicely posible looking girl body, might have been Light Limner.

>>5971969
Oh dear sweet FUCK, why?!!!
It looks like someone tried to go for the "thicc" look but just severely fucked it up. IDK wtf is even going on with those god damn toes, the feet need jut a tad more width, and dat ass better be sum fire fuck'n booty. I'm talk'n like Alexis Texas, Olivia Jensen, Mal Malloy booty. Big, round and jiggly. Those tits need to be a bit rounder too

>>5977292
damn i wish i wasn't a poorfag

>>5975201
I really love the look of this, but its bothering me how the skirt is light pink but all the other pinky accents are more coral colored? It clashes.

>>5976184
Some people wire them for stability. Its not a replacement for elastic, but it does give it more hold when posing much like a frame.

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>>5977292
i'm confused, that MD01 is a blank version of the 60cm narae head? another head? what does gift mean, they give you a head for free?

>>5976761
>I do wish she would actually speak up too though.
People need to do this.

The thing bothering me about this though is... if those pics are the owners pics, why is she doing photoshoots of work she hates? I would understand a few shots to show how off mark it is, but not play pics. I'd have taken proof photos and then demanded refund/redo.

>>5977819
If you watched her video anon, you'd see that she's trying to make herself like it. Which is understandable if you're a bit of a doormat and would rather not have to confront anyone.

If you're resigned to the fact that you're stuck with it, a lot of people would judt try to make the most of it and learn to deal.

>>5975936
>>5976098
Can someone post the video please?

>>5975936
Is the nose chipped or did she even fuck up a DOT as a nose? It looks uneven.
Nice crusty eye liner. Makes the whole mess even better.

>>5977850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ81TAFjuuQ
Here you go, famalam.

>>5977859
Shitty job or no I'll gladly buy that doll off of the current owner.

>>5977920
I would voulenteer to fix the blushing for free to add to my portfolio, but don't wanna come off as rude aye.

>>5977816
no MD01 is a head called Dandelion, you will get it for free when you order the new Narae dolls. Dandelion is an older head, you can find owner pictures of it if you search for Bimong Dandelion.

>>5977340

Agreed, I was down for it until I saw the price $850 is fucking bananas. I'd expect $600 at most for it.

>>5977861
I'm watching this now and as bad as I feel for her having to wait so damn long only to get a doll back that she didn't like, it's her own fault for not speaking up. She kept saying "I don't want to be rude" and "I'm not a rude person" and I just wish people would learn it's not rude to ask for the thing you paid an exuberant amount of money for to be done correctly. I work in customer service and let me tell you, people who tell me something is wrong get it handled but if I don't know it's not up to par I can't really fix it :/

>>5978392
Except that in this case Culur knows what's wrong.
She used the wrong colors, which she had in writing AND pictures for reference.
She fucked up and sent it out anyway.

I mean, she's always for whoring herself out.
She didn't post the sheep as far as I know, right?
As if she would pass the chance to get fawned at for painting one of those cute sheep people love so much right now.

I agree with the rest you said of course, but the retail example just doesn't completely fit.

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>>5978401
It's true that she probably knows what she did wrong. In fact I'm fairly certain she did. But in terms of this girl essentially what it comes down to is that a closed mouth doesn't get fed. And culur is gonna keep fucking up people's commissions and keep raking in ridiculous amounts of money because no one is standing up to her for her bullshit

In other news apparently bimong is planning a 1:1 scale doll in the future??
> That vulva detail

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>>5977816

>>5978419
>>5978120
Oh ok thanks

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I have an order that I'm paying for over time (pic related), but the more time that goes by, the less I can understand and/or justify the cost of it. Can somebody explain to me just why getting everything for this doll is going to cost me >$800USD? Especially when I am going to have to attempt to apply the face-up myself with no prior experience? I could have bought many other things with that money, but I decided that I wanted this cute doll, instead. Is it normal for BJDs to cost $500-$800+? Where does the cost come from?

>>5978536
Welcome to the /bjd/ hobby anon.

>>5978536
The ones that cost 500$ and upwards are usually 1/3 size (or a full-set 1/4 doll).
My Iplehouse EID guy is a beefy 70cm big dude from an expensive company and cost a little more than 800$, with a dark brown skintone, but completely blank and without shipping.
My super rare, but tiny, russian artist doll was 450$.
Loongsoul once made a HUGE Water-Naga dude that was 1200$ as full-set.
The doll was 166cm long.
For reference.
Prices can vary greatly.

In your case...I'd say it's a mixture.
She's limited (limiteds are always more expensive), from a small studio, bought through a dealer (I assume? but that means additional fees too).
Her full-set includes several parts as far as I know.
I personally think she is overpriced, considering she's just 1/6, but I also don't remember anymore how much she went for on Taobao.

How did you order her?
Blank with no extra parts?
Or blank with all parts?

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>>5978536
It comes partially from exclusivity, as previous anon stated. The smaller the production number and the more popular the sculpt/artist is, the higher they can push the price.
The other part... well I don't know. Everything under 1000 USD is still nothing unusual for this hobby. It's all very much subjective and if it is worth the price depends entirely on how much you like a doll and how badly you want to have it sitting in your room.
Basically you gotta listen to reason and be aware or your financial resources.
If the price makes you mad or you have to cut back on basic necessities to finance it, don't get it or you'll regret it.

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>>5978554
>bought through a dealer (I assume?
Yeah, stacyspinkocean.com. No one on here said anything negative about them, so I assume they are legit.
>How did you order her?
>Blank with no extra parts?
>Or blank with all parts?
I got pretty much everything except one of the pairs of hands offered. I asked for the makeup, and they eventually said that the makeup would be shipped to me, but I would have to apply it myself for reasons I did not understand, and gave me a discount to compensate. Base price was $548USD, with the additional costs listed in my pic.

>>5978553
Th-thanks, anon.

>>5978604
Well, I've already got $480 saved up, meaning I'm more than halfway there, but I'm just not sure if it's worth it anymore. I could use that money to pay for my F4F Samus statue or some other figure/statue I really want, but at the same time I've bought other stuff simply for the looks and been quite pleased with them, such as the Charming Drossel or Scarlet Rain figma. I guess I'd feel a lot better about the purchase if I knew that, if I regretted it afterward, I could make most or all of my purchase back selling it secondhand, but I felt like people would get upset if I asked on here like that.

>>5978613
> I asked for the makeup, and they eventually said that the makeup would be shipped to me, but I would have to apply it myself for reasons I did not understand

anon, either the doll's face comes with make up completed and looks like the photo, or it is completely blank.
This does not make sense and warrants clarification.

The price $500-600 seems reasonable.

$800 does not seem reasonable for that doll. For an amount close to $800, you can get a lot more 'doll' that the picture.

>>5978626
It might have been the body makeup then, I don't remember, and I can't find the email, for some reason. I really hope it was the body makeup, then. Thanks, anon.

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>>5978618
What are your long term plans for the doll? Half the enjoyment of bjd's is getting them adorable clothes, wigs, eyes, accessories and personalizing them in general The other half is playing around, posing them to take pretty pictures for sharing with others and just being part of the community (regardless of how much it feels like swimming up a sewage stream most of the time) etc.
If you don't intend to embrace even just a few of these aspects then it won't be enjoyable in the long run and ultimately isn't going to be worth that price.

Depending on whether there will be re-releases of this doll it could still fetch a high price on the after market. Maybe you won't be able to sell it here but there are enough people on ebay who don't know what they're doing with their money. Or if you have access, try the market places in various bjd forums (personally have lno experience with that so can't help further).

Are there any other dolls you're interested in at all? Looks like you're more into the anime aestetic, considering your figma background. There are alternatives like SQ Lab and Dollfie Dreams. They feel a bit more substantial in size and have far more customizing options (should you be able to still back out of the purchase).

>>5978629
Body make-up is the same.

BJDs are either sent unpainted or painted, not with "paint" you can apply yourself.
They are not like those dolls you can glue eye decals on.
I get the feeling Stacy probably meant that yes, you can get a face-up....but you need to add it to the order.
That's the only thing that could work with her broken English.

Stacy is legit, yes, but I still get the feeling their prices are a little too high for the Ragdoll.
However, you said yourself you got the full package, which would mean a full doll, with outfit, eyes, wig, several pair of hands, a second head, make-up for the second head, make-up for the body and cat ears and tail.
That's a pretty big package.

>>5978681
When I think about what I would do with the doll, I typically just think about the things I already do with my figures. Playing around with the articulation to learn what poses it can and can't do, and finding one I like for awhile and putting it back on my shelf. I repose as I like, which can be in a week or a few months. It depends on how well I feel I did with the pose.

The clothes that come with the doll are nice, but I must admit I'd like to experiment with other styles. I'm not a huge fan of lolita dresses, even if I don't mind them, either.

I honestly don't know if there are any other dolls I'd be interested in. I'm not really looking to become a big enthusiast, and the SIO2 doll I posted earlier only caught my eye because it was in a distinctly anime style without looking like it was from an older moe anime (most of the ones I've seen look weird to me).

>>5978692
I guess it's just a pretty big leap (price-wise) from figures to BJD? Come to think of it, I didn't take into account the cost of the outfit.

I've sent an email at this point for clarification. I appreciate the help from you guys. I feel better being able to make a more informed decision.

>>5978536
I'm currently waiting on the basic set of that doll. I purchased her on layaway via stacy's pink ocean, and apparently it's taking so long to send out orders because the artist is swamped in said orders.

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>>5978707
>I guess it's just a pretty big leap (price-wise) from figures to BJD?

It definitely is, anon.
For me the leap wasn't that bad, because I had other pricy hobbies before and I don't collect any other toys.
Also most doll collectors tend to have smallish collections (I keep my limit to 25 for example).
Toy collectors have way, way more than that, they just spent less per single piece.

See it like that, any other toy will now seem really cheap to you.
At least that's how I feel whenever something is released that for once does make me want to buy it.
What's 100$ for a full figure when I paid the same for a pair of eyes?

And personally, even the dolls that made me grind my teeth while ordering because of their price made me happy when they arrived.
I don't see the money I spent on them.
I see the dolls I enjoy.

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>>5978707
Well that's a good start. As long as you've got at least somewhat of an idea what you're gonna do with it. The more interactive you get, the less it will feel like a waste of money. Hunting down nice props or making them yourself is also fun. And the 1/6 scale not overly demanding for DIY.
Before you make any rash decision it'd really be best if you double check what's included in the 800 USD. If it's a full set like >>5978692 said, then that isn't too bad. Especially for two heads with faceup.

I don't know with the exact measurements of a SIO2 but I'm assuming some yoSD clothes might fit. Although with that tiny torso she might be able to squeeze into some azone/pure neemo dresses too. The proportions are a bit difficult to work with. Basically pants are gonna be a bitch to find i think...

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>>5978806
I know I'm to get basically everything but the peace sign hands. Now I just need to see how she replies to my inquiry on the faceup/body makeup.

>pants are gonna be a bitch to find i think...
>tfw love stockings

>>5978945
Stockings might be easier anon, since they tend to be made of stretchy materials.
And some sellers on etsy offer custom sized socks, stockings and co.

>>5978171
actually now that i double checked, the body BY ITSELF is $850, if you want a complete doll with a Narae head, its $1000

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>tfw shaky hands
How good/bad is this for a first faceup?

>>5979207
Try more light. Since it will decrease the ISO and Exposure time.

Brace your hands with camera to body to reduce shaking.

Try again.

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Out of all the possible dolls they could have chosen to display tan defects, why did Unoalchemy choose this one?

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>>5979207
Would have made the lash line darker and thicker with less pencilly eyebrows. Also more shine to the lips would be a plus

>>5979207
It's like you started drawing the eyes then decided to fuck it halfway through

Make the line around the eyes thicker for starters, it's barely visible >>5979254

Take a better pic next time, closer, preferably without bangs/wigs - it's hard to see what's going on there

I am considering pre-ordering either the Iori or Yayoi dollfie from Volks.

How long does it usually take to fulfill the orders after the pre-orders have ended?

>>5979469
maybe you should read the website

>>5977861
I understand her not wanting to be confrontational, I struggle with the same issues. I really hope she speaks up though. Perhaps by posting this and all the comments shes received on her youtube, she'll be encouraged to make a stand against what she got. Its absolutely ridiculous and not only is it not anything she asked for, paint chipping off? Disgusting.

>>5979248
Because you can easily see the defect and it was easy to photograph. Tan defects can sometimes be hard to see or show in pictures, so you can't really be too picky. The unoa tan defects though have been one of the worst I have seen in a while, worst tan fairyland tan.

>>5979207
Can't tell, picture is so fuzzy.

Next time put some effort into the picture.
Just the head, no wig, proper light, resize the picture.

As far as I can see though the face-up is really bare.
Next time, go for more details (yes, can work on anime face-ups too).
And always dilute your paint.

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>>5979207
>tfw shaky hands
"The mantra for sharpshooting is "breathe, relax, aim, squeeze." In other words, breathe in, and as you relax your body and exhale bring your sights up on to target. You should come to your target just as your breath runs out, and slowly and steadily "squeeze the trigger" in this case I'd lightly depress the shutter release."

In regards to the faceup:
- Most beginners go too light on their first faceups, you need to go darker so the colours show up next to the dark and bright clothes and wigs and eyes and shit. Altho I think the cheeks look decent and if you were going for natural you wont want too much more than that.
- most DD faceups I've seen have bottom lashes. And... yknow drawn a bit thicker, without them the face looks kinda... cancery.
- Always dilute your paints

Decent start tho. Not the worst we've seen.

>>5979600
I don't see too many tan unoas, is there some place people have been posting all the defects?
I really wanted a tan ani but I want to know what I'd be getting into.

>>5980250

That was from the first tan run. The new ones are pretty much fine.

I've seen two tan anis, and neither had any noticeable marbling. They said the new bunch of girls and all the tan anis turned out fine.

I just got a $20 Amazon gift card. I was thinking I'd get the Dolly Dolly Coordinate Recipe for Small Doll book since that hasn't been scanned yet, but it's not even on Amazon. Any recommendations? I'm looking more for books here since I wouldn't recommend Amazon for actually buying dolls and doll stuff to my worst enemy.

>>5980250
Unoalchemy posted the defects the first time the lotto happened and they were awful, reason why I didn't join in. That tan was trash, and to play $450 for that, nope.

But listen to what the other anon said, I know one of the unoa alchemy people is a regular here in the 4chan threads so they might be telling you the truth.

>>5980336
<--- One of the UnoAlchemy people.
The marbling was really only on that one spot on most of the dolls (why we chose that pic - that's the only place you could see it and it was literally the worst one, so every one people got would be better). I think it was something in the mold. The faces and limbs were all good.

That was last batch. This batch, no real problems. The anis came out just fine. I haven't seen the girls yet, but I have the tan faceplates from the new set, and they're all fine.

I'm not gonna say they're perfect, but unless you're very picky you probably won't care.

(the casting studio is where a lot of the price of the unoa comes from. A lot of the actual labor on the dolls isn't even figured into the price.)

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Someone paid almost $800 for a fullset DD then did this to it.

>>5980385
Sorry, anon. I just thought the picture looked lewd, even if it shows the marbling well.
Thanks for answering my question about the defects though, a tan unoa is definitely in my future.

>>5980405
I'd recognise that terrible brushwork anywhere! That person baffles me.

>>5980405
what head was this even
if they ruined kosmos i'm fucking mad

>>5980430
it's kosmos

>>5980415
Lol...and now what it's been pointed how how lewd it looks, I am never gonna unsee it. Thanks.

>>5980431
if there's a god he will have to beg for my forgiveness

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>>5980405
Post more of this mess.

Never purchased an Unoa doll before, but now I'm sorely tempted to purchase an L-bi at some point in the future.

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>>5980488
I think this is Sheryl Nome. Modified.

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>>5980529
This Flickr page is a nightmare.

>>5980579
>>5980529
>>5980405
Man, it's like this person never left 2006.

>>5978681
What dolls are these?

>>5980657
Looks like custom MDDs

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>>5978945
This entire exchange makes me want to avoid stacyspinkocean like the plague. The original cost of the full set plus faceup and blushing was 2490 yuan, or about $370. TBSourcingService jacked that up to only $485. Unless they're padding the doll with 14k gold mesh before they ship it out you're dealing with hot bullshit.

>>5971049
>>5971562
>>5971994
>>5972834

Male collector here, feeling like weighing in for some reason. I consider myself reasonably well-adjusted, a 30 year old guy with a career and was in an LTR when I got into the hobby. My collection spans the age range, from one "loli" doll all the way up to a very "adult" Feeple65. To me, they're artisan collector's pieces and not waifus or daughters or sex objects, and that makes me feel like I'm not a creep for having them, but I definitely get how people could think otherwise.

I've seen all sorts, and sadly a lot really do live up to the stereotypes. There are definitely exceptions, though. I had a really awesome DD meet group in my old area, about 50/50 guys and girls and all were pretty normal. We'd usually meet up, take pics for an hour, and then all go to a bar or restaurant and have a ton of fun. They were all people I'd happily hang out with if they didn't share the doll hobby.

My new area couldn't be more different, though. I tried going to meets here a few times, and it was exactly what you'd imagine - cringey fujoshi and awkward 40-something fat guys, nobody able to make conversation except about dolls and even that was a struggle, etc. It may well be that in local communities with a few people like that, the more normal ones get driven out, as I did, and it's kind of hard to get alternate meets together without stepping on toes. For whatever reason, I've noticed that the guys all seem to share an obsession with dressing their dolls like "the girl next door," and you virtually never find them dressing their dolls, well, like dolls.

The BJD scene seems a little bit different. I've only ever met a couple of other male resin collectors, and they were all very openly gay "pretty boy" types (not that there's anything wrong with that) who exclusively collected male dolls. The women ran the gamut, but if there's one stereotype that stands out, it's the "cat lady" type rather than the young fujo type.

>>5980850
Ran out of space for my incoherent rambling.

Anyway, there are plenty of normal people, but there are also enough abnormal ones that it kind of ruins the community for me.

I feel like I'm kind of alone in this scene, honestly - The male collectors are too weird/creepy for me, and the female collectors give me the cold shoulder because they expect me to be like the other male collectors. Chances are there are plenty of other people in my situation, but like me, most have given up on interacting with the community and just enjoy our dolls in private.

>>5978413
I agree that people should speak out about artists who do shitty work. However, the BJD community is vicious and would likely attack anyone that publicly criticized a well known artist.

>>5980579
Well, if there's anything we can take from this, it's no matter how bad you think you're doing, there's some one that's been doing longer and is still worse than you.

>>5981006
Truly inspiring.

>>5980850
>>5980865

i feel you too anon. im in a wide range of hobbies and communities and know a lot of people from all walks of life but for bjds (DDs) i just tend to enjoy them myself or with my close friends because most male DD owners look and act like omegas.

they're pretty to look at, fun to take care of and get emotionally attached to, but most male DD owners as far as I've seen take it too far without a conscience and substitute interactions with women or society in general with them.
with that said some of them are incomprehensible assholes.

>>5980850
I feel sorry for male owners.
They are often seen as a threat, creep or not taken serious (and in some cases, badly objectified by thirsty individuals).
As if it's not already difficult enough to defend your hobby in front of 'normal' people, fellow collectors can be pretty bad too.

I don't have lots of guys in my local group, but they both don't look much like stereotypical collectors.
One is your usual buff metal dude, pretty big but very gentle.
Loves horror stuff, Giger, fantasy and co.
He has a mixed group, but his females are pretty much all tough fantasy women.
However, they all dress like whores/have otherwise very impractical clothes...they look like those typical warrior women on Metal CD covers.
He's a pretty cool guy though, very friendly and calm and his dolls are well cared for.

The other guy is a dude with shaved head, also pretty big in height.
Total family man, collects with his wife, has a mostly mixed group too but also prefers female dolls.
However, he mostly has sugary cute ones and I doubt anyone but us knows he used to collect them (he's pretty much inactive now).

All other guys I got to know where either:
- transguys
- gay guys
- DD creeps
- guys who thought they were special for owning a BJD and had to rub it in to everyone that yes, they are a guy
- guys who bought a doll in hopes of attracting certain girls from our local group (I kid you not, we had 'fake doll collector guys').

The first two can be difficult depending on how they behave.
They can be the "LOOK I AM A MAN I AM SPECIAL" type or they flat out get objectified by your 'I love the gayz' yaoi loving female.
Sucks on both sides.
I am always glad though when I met a stable, friendly male collector who's not in it because he can't get a girlfriend or who think's he's special for collecting dolls.

>>5980850
>For whatever reason, I've noticed that the guys all seem to share an obsession with dressing their dolls like "the girl next door,"

I thought about that several times already, mostly when I was still more active in the DD community (I mostly collect BJDs, but was interested in DDs fora while too).
Most good looking DDs all look the same, and the western guys all copied what they saw on asian websites too.
They buy the same clothes, style the dolls the same, and the fact they usually all keep the default faces just made it worse.

I honestly was not sure if it was because they honestly lacked a feeling for what looks good/have zero creativity or if truly everyone liked that one particular style and it was just a coincidence.
By now I think it was the feeling/creativity thing, which put me a bit off from DDs.
With BJDs you see lots of different styles, and people tend to be a little more brave with extreme mods, paint jobs and co.
With DDs it was just 'casual', 'casual slutty', 'casual comfy'...but all very stereotypical anime inspired and often not realistic at all.

Of course it's probably also the thirst of 'she's my little animu girlfriend and I wish a real girlfriend would look like this too'.

>>5980818
I knew she jacked up the price, but that high is truly a little ridiculous.
I bought a pair of shoes from her (those Gaga shoes that are currently being made), because for once I was too lazy to dig on TB for them...and I knew she was asking more than what they probably cost from the source.
She just knows people are desperate for SIO2 stuff.
I still think I should have bought a couple of those sheep, store them, and then sell them for mad money.

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>>5981393
Guy you replied to, and yeah, I'm totally on that page with you.

I started with DDs and still own a couple, but I totally know what you mean with "they all look the same" and how everybody dresses them the same. I lost interested because of how "flat" they look, and, don't take me for one of those "my dolls are alive" people, but they're "soulless" compared to BJDs.

DDs just feel so mass produced compared to resin dolls. Resins have a kind of warmth and character that comes from the fact that they're semi-unique items that are made in very limited numbers and hand finished and all that jazz. Even the feel and weight of the materials really make a difference - holding one of my DDs makes me wonder how the fuck this thing cost $1000, while some of my resin dolls make me amazed that a piece of art like this only cost a grand.

I also don't get the clothes that so many other people, especially other guys, choose. They're dolls for god's sake. They should be about fun outfits and stuff. Go get a damn girlfriend if you want a cute girl in jeans and a T-shirt, it's really not that hard.

I'll admit that I'm not into aftermarket faceups. One of my dolls came with a spare face that I've been meaning to get done, but other than her, most of them are ones that I bought because I liked the default face so much. Pic related, she's a reasonably common sculpt but with a limited faceup that I totally fell in love with.

>>5981389
>DD creeps
What makes a DD owner a DD creep? Asking for a friend desu.

>>5980850
Male here too just started and found myself owning a Feeple60, A DD and an upcoming Soul-Zenith lady in lthe future. Yea basically matches all the statements in first Paragraph. But I do see them as adoration piece, and also becomes a vent for my stress. Also I am still sane to say I still have the drive to go meet and interact the opposite sex.
>inb4 hotglue, my waifu, creepy stuff you get out of context.

For stereotypes though, as much as possible I would not go above and beyond as to speak too ill of them , as we never know they have a condition that is beyond our understanding; Be it hormonal, social, mental, spiritual, physical difficulty or anything they are experiencing.


>>5980865
Depends anyone why you feel lonely in these scene. Sometimes embracing it is the only way. Denying that some people act that way makes it more difficult for you to accept that group. Maybe because we are being hostile with each other in the group like >>5981389 anon is experiencing.

>>5981006
A least this anon should try using anime characters or any form of reference that resembles a face.
Maybe practice drawing faces on paper first? (least this is my advice for this aspiring artist if he ever does read it).

>>5981270
Extra feels on this, Only been to one doll meet so still not sure how I will feel once I get further in the rabbit hole. Tho playing with your dolls alone is kinda lonely and can lead to mental complications and would prefer interacting with other people.I think that is exactly the reason dolls are made so that they are adored. But some male doll owners which do fit the description are cringe worthy and especially ones with attitude give the decent male collectors a sour note. Though I wouldn't bash the other guys who make them their waifus but not to the point that it controls their life and they insist that their dolls is a real person.

>>5981420
Continuation

>>5981389
>DD creeps
>guys who thought they were special for owning a BJD and had to rub it in to everyone that yes, they are a guy
>guys who bought a doll in hopes of attracting certain girls from our local group (I kid you not, we had 'fake doll collector guys').

Me being a straight guy.
Loves sugary kawaii stuff in and out of the BJD hobby.
Bought a doll from a group I joined before I even had one.
New to the hobby.
Owns a DD

Oh Gee this made me feel better.
I bet people in the group I am newly attending is assuming this stereotype.
Or maybe my actions are being justified this way.


>>5981393
Well that's one of the reason DD's were made,though they can be customisable. The only limit is your expectation on the doll.
Vinyl dolls and Resin dolls have their stereo types as Vinyl dolls are animeish and Resin dolls fit the "Resin Maiden" in the not so distant past. Owning both types I can say even Resin dolls have their distinct stereotype being that hime mentality and that superiority complex some resin doll owners have.

I admit my preference in Mori styling is a bit still too "casual" as my dolls wardrobe is still too small considering.

I have an affinity in the creative side but I am also a collector as I have some urge to keep the original style than change it.
FYI it takes to much time, effort, resources and practise to just change the faceup; with the chance of fucking up the faceup and also some shitty artist you paid for fucking it even worse.

>inb4 uncreative lazy fuck
I orderd 2 practise heads (1 DH-A Practise head and a Xiao Xin ) in the name of art.

>>5981406
Aftermarket faceups are a hit and miss, and mostly "fuckups" especially when they dont have a large portfolio to showcase and tryhards that try to offer shitty service to sheeple.

>>5981413
The fact that owning a DD itself makes the owner a creep.(according to some or thats what the community makes you feel)
>Not Being strung
>Not having master race Resin
>Being animooo

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>>5981420
>>5981446
>pic related
Still not mori as I said small wardrobe and waiting for more. DD is sugary as.

>muh wallet

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>>5981413
Okay, for you anon, a few things that come across as DD creep:
- it's always all about sex/being sexy/implying sex
Only panty shots, outfits are always supposed to be obviously sexy, always pictures of your dolls making out (hurrdurr, hot lesbians).
Even that cute MDD is showing her panties while eating that banana.

- taking that "daughter" thing too far/calling your dolls "daughters" at all
Adding that daughter part, after everything is so sexual, just gives it a creepy incest vibe on top.
And next to looking desperate you also seem now like something is seriously wrong with you.

- it's always very anime
i.e. it's obvious that you have no clue about women, how they really dress, how they behave, everything you post comes across as a living anime stereotype.
Like your typical harem type anime, and the owner is the dude in the middle.
I mean, not everything has to be realistic and people who collect anime dolls = tend to like anime....but it becomes very obvious when someone tends to think anime = this is real life.
Some also take that roleplay part too far.
We get it, your dolls own you, please stop taking photo stories of you being "humiliated" by them.

In short: if it's weirdly sexual all the time and comes across like you are not in it for the dolls but because you are lonely/desperate.
Add a dash of 'no clue how the real world works'...then you come across as a creep.

Just to mention, you have those types on the other side (i.e. BJDs, Blythe and co.) too.
Those nutjobs who think their dolls are their children or people who have dolls that are walking and fucking stereotypes (look at Crackupmadness and his army of gay incest drug dolls who just fuck around 24/7).

But with DDs it's just more 'in your face' because it always comes across like it's the goal to aim for (since often the fawned at japanese collectors act the same), and not that weird minority that is shunned by the majority of DD collectors.

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>>5981446
>I have an affinity in the creative side but I am also a collector as I have some urge to keep the original style than change it.
>FYI it takes to much time, effort, resources and practise to just change the faceup; with the chance of fucking up the faceup and also some shitty artist you paid for fucking it even worse.

You see, I'm the opposite.
I'm into it because of the whole creative part and the fact it costs me time, money and resources to get that thing just right doesn't bother me.

I totally get though why some other doll collectors don't like this.
However, it's not really needed if you just aim to have a nice looking doll anyway.
Most people who customize have a very specific picture in mind that can't just be bought (like I have) and thus send the doll out or learn how to do it on their own. Or they really like the art part.
Okay, and some are cheap fucks/think they absolutely need to do everything on their own, but that's a different story.

The usual DD collector is not the creative type or wants something 'unique', they just want a pretty doll or a big version of their favourite anime character.
Blythe are often the same, but they tend to buy pricy finished customs by certain artists instead.
If you just want a pretty doll going for default face-up/nice custom is fine.
I sometimes wish I was like that, makes buying easier and you can just buy dolls 'because pretty'.