Transformers General

Bumping for Botcon

>>5600937
>>5600719

Is this the new one?

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>>5601828
Might as well.

How come in Japan the Decepticons are named after bad guys from Masked Rider?

Yeah. Big Bad Toy Whores cronies supposedly bought the last bunch of Megatrons. The one guy who helped carry them away was behind their table later, They deny it but they had a lot of them on their table and a bunch stacked behind it.

Tfw was reporting it was 400 but my buddy in line said it was only closer to 50 when they cleaned them out.

>>5601848
So still no confirmation.

>>5601848
I shall be buying my toys from TFsource from now on.

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Man, this set looks so cool. I love these "team in a box" gift sets. AoE had a few, too.

I know they're stingy about BW homages, but a BW set would be cool, too. Do a Season 1 Maximals set:
>Gen rhinox
Gen rattrap
>Universe dinobot in proper colors
>Cybertron/BWX Optimus Primal, for scale reasons(though the original is a better toy)
>BW Deluxe Cheetor(because no one wants that Universe mold)

And the 07 movie's 10th anniversary is coming up. An Autobots United set would be neat

>ROTF Optimus
>Battle Blades Bumblebee
>Deluxe Jazz, with some of the remolded parts from later remolds like Final battle Jazz's weapons
>ROTF/2010 Deluxe ratchet(for accuracy reasons)
>Voyagers Ironhide(both have their pros and cons. Kinda want the Leader one here but he'd tower over ratchet too much.)

Or a TF devastation set?
>Classics Optimus
>Gen Wheeljack
>Classics Bumblebee
>Universe Sideswipe
>FoC Grimlock

Decepticon set?
>Classics Megatron
>Classics Starscream, Thundercracker, and skywarp
>FoC Shockwave
>WfC Soundwave

>>5601860
Is Arcee missing her two smaller guns like the last box set?

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Here's how to get your blurr-I mean "brainstorm" early.

Sentinel prime looked like ass but he looks worse here

>>5601848
Yep, there where only less than 100 left on Saturday morning(which means a whopping 750+ sold between Thursday and Friday..and not even a tenth of that has gone on ebay yet..) 4 or 5 people each took up to 10 Megatrons at the beginning of the day, while the line was still long and full of people waiting for their Megatron.

>>5601861
>last box set

Was there ever a box set?

I don't know about the generations, but I know the legends release had them

>>5601862
I really hope Takara heavily remolds Brainstorm. We'll be stuck with his Headmasters face, but I'll take that over slightly remolded Blurr.

>>5601864
Did they seriously not have a "one per customer" rule?

>>5601865
The SDCC box set of fire guts Windblade, masked wrestler Chromia, and stealth Arcee with huge-ass weapons.

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>>5601860
>Or a TF devastation set?

I'd buy that in a heartbeat.

>>5601860
I'd rather the mp bots in the devastation pack thank you, screen accuracy, that and I'm rich

>>5601869
They did until Saturday.

>>5601860
Arcee's deco looks better than the Generations, almost the same as Takara's.

Differences I ca see:
Face is darker pink
Hands aren't fully white
Wheels are black+white hubcaps
Pink sections on the thighs
Still attempting to not have the "panty" crotch, though it looks like it's painted all the way around.
Silver on the head-light section instead of white?
Blue its under the kneecaps looks metalic.

That UM looks nice though, but I already own every other toy in there.

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Hasbro wins this time.

>>5601862

wow that windblade looks like shit

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I shouldn't have since I've been saving money for a move, but I just bought pic related for $47 off eBay. I just love this mold so much.

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>>5601860
I think springer is inside the box backwards waist wise, look at that screw, its almost a bad joke

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>>5600716
that dude that kept asking for bisk?
well he looks awesome

>>5601887
Being a BM/Machine Wars kid actually came in handy this time. Everyone guffawed at them choosing that for a years theme, but I thought it was really cool. Just wish we got a better, bigger Starscream.

>>5601842
they aren't the only Destrons, there's a couple others as well(if I recall properly the bad guys in Detonator Orgun are also called Destron)

>>5601884
No? There's not enough orange, and it's the wrong shade of orange.Chest is wrong color, has too much black. Green window for no reason. I'd like an orange Afterburner but this ain't it.

>>5601867
Well I mean, we did JUST get a voyager mold of him. It's comicy, and the deluxe is ugly G1.

>>5601896
>Complains about wrong shade of orange
>implies it's not better than the red one
ok

>>5601888
I actually went and looked at my Springer

Horee sheet Hasblow

So anyone want to run down what would be acceptable buying prices for this year's Botcon shit? Started looking online but needs some help figuring out what is a reasonable price and what is scalper scum price?

>>5601902
I know, but it's not compatible with this line... but I guess I'll settle for a third party add on for it?

>>5601910
Absolutely nothing, ifits from this years botcon chances are its there to profit

>>5601907
It's ain't. Takara's is more accurate to the red appearances than Hasbro's is to the orange appearances. Doesn't even look like the toy colors.

>>5601910
Honestly? You shouldn't pay more than double deluxe price for a deluxe (except for Tigatron/Ravage, you pay Deluxe retail for them), or double a voyager.

200 seems acceptable for Megatron.

>>5601860
Minimus should have been Wheelie

>>5601888
Good catch. Also can't seem to find Arcee's guns, I don't think they're hidden somewhere else in package either.

>>5601910

Just right now look away at TM3 Megatron's rapey prices and hope they go back down to the prices they were on Friday for the figure.

>>5601910
If you can get Megatron at around $200 at this point, be thankful. I've been following the prices since Thursday and the prices blew up Saturday morning thanks to the great scalping.

Airrazor and Terrorsaur, I'd probably consider $80 a decent price. Maybe closer to $60 for Terrorsaur. The rest will probably sink hard to the $30-80 range after a few weeks, with Tigatron probably dipping to $20. Besides Megatron, terrorsaur, and airazor, I'd say most of this year was a bust.

>>5601910
Expect to pay rape dollar price for TM3 Megatron.

If you can get him at $200-250, get him ASAP because he's destined to be a $500-800 buck figure

Same with CW Ratchet. Customization class figures go for premium, around $400-500. Right now he's going for $150 unpainted so grab him NOW while you can.

The combiner set is going for $400 which is standard. If you can get Tarantulas by himself, grab him because he's the hot ticket item of the set. Tarantulus was going for $100-150 and will probably stabilize for around $100-200 eventually so if you see a $100 one, grab it.

Everyone else in the box set is going for dirt cheap $60-100 but expect that not to last as supply starts to dry up. But I would fully expect them to be $100 figures.

The Reflector bots will probably go for $100-150 for all three but if you only want one, you may have to wait for people to start breaking up their sets for individual sale.

>>5601864
Man, I'd have been SO fucking pissed off seeing that happen. I'd have just walked off the fucking line, that was the only figure worth buying. If you're doing a Beast Wars character, I would want a figure that actually, you know, has a goddamn BEAST mode.

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>>5601930

Stick with the wise man's choice, and avoid all of this. Not a single one of these is worth those prices.

Con exclusives are a fucking joke.

>>5601925
Some one needs to take the heads and recast them just to fuck with the market. If I could get my hands on a Megatron I'd duplicate then head then resell the toy and replace the head on my old Gigatron.

>>5601942
Yeah, no one's going to fuck up the head on a $500 figure. Your best hope is to take a decent Beast Megatron head and resize it, maybe the BWX Megatron, or the 10th anniversary Ultra remold. Granted you'd still have to paint it and the Gigatron mold(though honestly Gigatron's purple fits BW Megatron already.)

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>>5601920
Minimus is Minimus.

>>5601930
>TM3

What the hell?

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>>5601940
See, thats a fine sentiment when its something we'll inevitably get from the regular line, MP, or 3rd party. But for those of us who wanted this Megatron, it's the only chance well ever get. Hell, people pay $500+ for G1 bricks.

>>5601948
This shit always confused me as a kid
>Ultra Magnus gets blown to pieces
>they just put him back together
>Optimus gets a little cut in his side and dies in 3 minutes

It would make sense if Ultra Magnus was just power armor and the little guy inside him got ejected right before.

>>5601955
Prime took multiple body shots, including one to his head.

>>5601955
Apparently only junkions can fix exploded transformers.

That and optimus's plot armor ran out while UM had an extra life

>>5601862
>Windblade isn't a headmaster
What is the point of her in this set?

>>5601862
ugh, that brainstorm does not look very good. the generations brainstorm shits all over that.

>>5601867
agreed. would be nice of someone will put actual effort into it

>>5601960
She is Scott's pet character and I believe she has a lot of influence in the SDCC exclusive sets like last year.

>>5601960
She's part of a new team again now called "Headmaster Hunters".

>>5601962
I just wish you could use the head from the Generations version on the TR Brainstorm.

>>5601878
Most of the Devastation models are based on recent toys modded to look like the G1 cartoon .

Wheeljack and Bumblebee have the backs of their vehicle modes fold over their head rather than part of their torso be the back, for example.

>>5601960
She's the city speaker, she can apparently talk to metroplex, she's also IDW's go to character when it comes to singular bots smashing combiner bots!

>>5601962
>superior VOYAGER vs current day DELUXE

This is like shooting fish in a barrel

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>>5601891

Yeah I'm pretty happy about this.

I love this stupid fucking lobster car for some reason. And he has Cyborg's voice from Teen Titans and that makes me laugh because of that stupid "hit those showers" comic.

I hope those antenna don't snap off super easy.

>>5601954
>Hell, people pay $500+ for G1 bricks

People are retarded. The trick for collecting is never to fall for stupid shit like these con exclusives and never pay more than you're comfortable with for anything. There will be other toys, in time.

>>5601952
When the toy was originally pitched, it was supposed to be Beast Machines Megatron reborn, so TM3. Then FP got stupid and made it Megatron BEFORE Beast wars, and the body is called "tri-materium 3" armor. Nothing to actually do with Transmetals at all.

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>>5601969

Now get me a Deluxe scale Clampdown so I can have two stupid ass retarded crustacean bots on my shelf.

>>5601970
At this rate, I doubt we'll see something like this for BW again. too busy with G1 homages. Even if we get an MP Beast Megatron, it'll probably be the season 1 body yet again, which I don't like as much.

So basically the money I save on not buying CW or TR goes to stuff like this.

>>5601948
>When the inclusion of a random new character by necessity of the toy and its mold actually fixes a major plot hole

>>5601960

She only gives head, she doesn't receive.

>>5601954
Yeah but look at that and try to justify $200

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>>5601978

>>5601976
>it'll probably be the season 1 body yet again
Well duh.

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>>5601973
He already has a legion toy that's actually pretty okay for its size considering the weird ass alt mode.

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>>5601979
Its a limited production figure of a character I've really liked since I was 5 years old, and one of the reasons I collect toys. Besides that, Car robots Gigatron has been one of my favorites since I first discovered the internet, and holds nostalgic attachment for being the first toy I ever got online. That's my reason at least.

It's like having a new version of my Woody.

>>5601907
Lad, Takarafags don't actually care about anything besides being Takara

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Is Gen Hound worth getting? Or is CW an acceptable enough Hound? Like, the generations one looks good, but does he have any hidden fatal flaws or anything?

>>5601991
I don't care who makes it, I got for the one that looks the best. Sometimes it's Takara, sometimes it's Hasbro.

>>5601988

RiD's greatest sin is having a bunch of really cool Decepticon designs and no toys of any of them.

>>5601867
>but I'll take that over slightly remolded Blurr.

It's pretty fucking obvious Brainstorm is the intended use of the mold and Blurr is a premold you tool

>>5601954
Oh, wow. That's a bit worse than I thought it'd be.

>>5601993
I have CW Hound and I think he's great. He should be shelf warming at your local store right now so he'll be a decent price compared to a 2nd hand chug Hound, but that one looks good too, so it really depends on what it is you want most.

>>5601993
Honestly I think Universe Hound is one of the most overrated figures ever. It helped push the "It must look like G1, and if it looks like G1 lets overlook any flaws" fetish that annoys me. Upper arms are weird and stubby, same with upper thighs that are barely there. Basically kill all usable articulation. Te only think I think it does particularly well is the ankle tilts.

He's basically the Classics Starscream of Universe. So if you liked that, too, guess your taste is the opposite of mine, so go for it.

>>5601989
Then buy the original RID megatron for considerably cheaper.

>>5602001
>partsforming shield
>not intended as Blurr
You want to try again?

>>5601993
Generation Hound > CW Hound.

>>5602013
Already have it. Like I said, first figure I ever bought online.

>>5601979
>Yeah but look at that and try to justify $200
I can't help but to agree with this. I've been collecting for almost 15 years now, and I think it's because I've been doing this for so long that I've become REALLY selective.

I wanted to like that Megatron, and I've been dreaming about putting that figure in my collection since the concept was leaked almost over a decade ago.

But then I look at the figure, and then see that people are asking over 200 bucks for it, and I just can't justify it. The red plastic looks like ass, they haven't bothered to paint the dragon's eyes, and where in the world would it fit in my collection? I already have TrU Season 1 Megatron, and TM2 Megatron is already an awesome (and WAY more affordable) figure in it's own right.

I just can't see myself paying more than $100 for this thing.

>>5601993
If you have to ask Classics/Universe/Generations or CW ALWAYS go for the former. Not a single one of the CW Autobot repaint shits are better than their older classics toys.

>>5601936
10/10

>>5602029
Except Ironhide and Ratchet.

>>5601993
He's pretty great. The gun doesn't really peg into the shoulder well, though.

Last time I checked even a used Hound w/ Ravage went for 40ish, which is a bit steep for a deluxe, but maybe the CW version brought the overall price for the universe one down.

>>5601860

I still want a 2-pack of Skullcruncher and Mindwipe with Megatron and Optimus Prime style Headmasters as an homage to the original BW 2-pack

>>5602048
I do too but it sounds like an exclusive.

>>5602035

>>Ratchet

What Ratchet?

>>5601873

Only if they were done in a cel-shaded paint job.

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>>5602009
>He's basically the Classics Starscream of Universe.

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>>5601896

Im surprised you could even see the image at all with your nose stuck so high up in the air.

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>>5602055

>>5601909
>Hasblow

Grow the fuck up

>>5601954
>Botcon 2016: The year FunPub got a great deal on red plastic.

>>5602061
You seem upset that I shattered your perception of Hasbro's Aferburner being accurate to any incarnation of Afterburner.

>>5601920

Minimus should have been Dion

>>5601920
>>5602070
The minicon shouldn't be there at all.

>>5602035
no. Even Ironhide and Ratchet. At least they actually look like Ironhide and Ratchet instead of generic combiner port chested bot #17

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>>5601936

>>5602077
>defending generations Ironhide and ratchet
Now we know you're just bullshitting.

>>5602077

Universe Ironhide and Ratchet are the worst figures in all of Classics. The new ones are complete improvements.

>>5602070
>>5602075
Since so many of you have such a weird tism for Minimus, if anyone ends up with the set would they be interested in selling me just him?

>>5602090
Why don't you have one?

>>5602092
He got stuck up my ass and never came out. I need a new one

>>5602092
>40 dollarioos for Optimus Prime's lawfag samefag

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>>5602094

>>5602086
You can say one nice thing about the Ironhide/Ratchet mold

Greatest ankle tilts ever made.

>>5601864
I'm so mad. I had a middleman, but I didn't have the brains to calculate whether I needed to secure a non-Minicon package to get the souvenir {which still would have meant being stuck with an undesirable boxed set I'd have to flip}. I've been collecting for years and yet somehow I didn't see this coming. I only saw from the quantity that I should grab one, which is why I called my middleman. I am so fucked now. I give up on this one.
I remember with MotUC Shadow Weaver I was initially pissed and decided I wouldn't pay, but relented and paid a local person a high but relatively decent market price that ended up going even higher, so I still got a good deal.
but with this, I have no chance at all. Between getting it at cost and paying a 5x mark-up was a thin line I tripped over.
I also missed out on the Junkion 3-pack, which had the exact same situation happen on Saturday, and I managed to get one for $150 later at TFCon. I just don't see that happening for Megatron.

What a huge fuck-you this last year is to us. I really wish the worst to Brian Savage. I feel like capitalistic greed is just growing with no consequence. I really wanted that to change.

>>5601940
I agree with that for everything but Megatron.
The Reflector bots were made in such a large quantity that no G1 love will overcome this very strange non-G1 redesign. I also think a few people won't bother with having all 3 despite the cartoon look requiring that. I see them being cheap.
The box set is shit, and Tarantulas's head is doughy so no matter how much people wanted him before, he'll be less desirable now.

>>5601947
You don't have to fuck it up to recast it.

Some bootleggers need to get on this figure ASAP. Considering how cheaply they can make the figures, they could sell it at it's original price and still rake in profit while people would be so willing to pay that price compared to market price of an original. Look at the Shattered Glass Prime and Hot Rod, both bootlegged.

>>5602087
>Universe Ironhide and Ratchet are the worst figures in all of Classics.

Nope. That's Galvatron. People exaggerate how bad Ratchet and Ironhide are. They're still better than a generic shit that doesn't even look like the character.

>>5601895
those were evoluders, written in kana with an イ instead of the エ you see for gaogaigar final!gai.

>>5602117
See, the thing with Galvatron is he LOOKS fine. If you don't touch him, you don't know how bad of a toy it is. It's not particularly Galvatron looking, but it's not a shit design, looks wise.

Ratchet and Ironhide on the other hand look terrible, transform terrible, have terrible weapons and terrible engineering. They're terrible in absolutely every single regard. Galvatron sucks too, but at least he doesn't look absolutely terrible.

>>5602101

Because Savage gets more money if they sell out, and then are scalped later, right? Maybe if you want to be sure to get everything, save up and go to the convention yourself or be sure to ask your toy mule to pick up everything they can.

P.S. - I'm at Botcon right now, suck it.

>>5602130
How does it smell?

>>5601955
In the original script, Ultra Magnus was quartered- aka ripped in four pieces by cables extending from the sweeps. Transformers have been shown to survive being pulled apart.

What made it into the final movie is strange, as being blown to pieces doesn't make much sense in terms of survivability.

I guess you can pretend there was a white Prime inside there all along and that section of him survived in an offline state...

>>5602115
I heard Ravage/Tigatron was the one whose headsculpt was garbage(Doughy face and unnecessarily flat back to the head) and that Tarantulas was actually pretty alright aside from him not really fitting the Rook mold.

that feelio when some kid on another chan actually did stick a Sharpie in his pooper and it got stuck so he had to get his dad to bring him to the hospital

Thanks for the reminder.

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>>5602122
Did they ever make toys of those robot sluts from GGG Final other than the model kits that cannot transform or combine?

>>5602130
If it takes him longer to sell them he will get less money because he can't reinvest the money sooner, so it's in his best interest to allow a scalper to buy up the remaining stock.
He could do even better if he got profits from the scalping by pretending someone else is selling them. I believe Mattel is accused of doing that with MotUC.
I had the money, I asked my middleman to get them. I didn't realize he would wait until Saturday morning to try and buy one though, as I thought the Minicon package his son was under would be able to buy them and I didn't think to ask him. I just assumed. I'm not even sure if they can't or if he just thought he couldn't.

>>5602141
Eh. The paint looks really thick on the picture that I saw earlier on here for Tarantulas.

>>5602126
>Ratchet and Ironhide on the other hand look terrible
They look fine though. They look like Ironhide and Ratchet. Is it because they're fat? That's what Ironhide and Ratchet look like.

>transform terrible
the transformation is more fun than the exact same transformation every cw toy has. And I like the weapon because it actually STORES somewhere unlike the CW shit that just pegs on top of the vehicle mode. And it's cool that it transforms between a melee weapon and a ranged weapon instead of just one piece of plastic like we get now.

>>5602142
Lel

>>5602155
Dude you're so bad at this.

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>>5602166
bad at what? liking superior toys with molds designed for the character instead of reused mold cw shit?

>>5602092
I have the Takara Magnus with Alpha Trion cause I liked the Magnus deco better but I wanted a Minimus.

>>5602174
Why

>>5602171
You're bad at being discreet in your lies. Work on them.

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>>5602177
Why not? Mini-Cons are cool.

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>>5602058

I like you anon

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>>5602155
We're not talking about other figures and the fact that CW Ironhide and Ratchet share the same transformation scheme. Irrelevant information. The weapon being able to store doesn't mean shit. Especially when the weapon is shit. Weapons don't need to be stored. And none of these has anything to do with Universe Ironhide and Ratchet just looking plain bad.

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>liking the one on the left more

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>you have to mod the figure for the arms to even go down all the way
>you have to mod the figure so the head came life up all the way

>in the end it still looks terrible

>>5602210
CW Ironhide doesn't look too much like Ironhide, really. I still think it's the better toy but it's not perfect.

>>5602210
They both look like shit, but if someone was going to shoot me if I didn't grab one, I would take the left

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>>5602210
The cw ironhide isn't a bad figure, he just doesn't look like Ironhide to me, I'm working on this custom using FoC Blaster as base adding pieces from the constructobot hide.

>>5602224
You should be put out of your misery anyways if you make that choice.

>>5602229
Hey that's pretty cool.

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I really want to like this mold. It actually has great articulation in beast mode unlike Alpha Trion, and looks decent in robot mode too. It seems to have a 3-step "stand him up and detach his tail for a weapon" transformation like every other beastformer, but I can overlook that...

But that fucking doghead kibble man. It's obviously just a giant solid thing on a hinge. You can tell how the art tried to hide it behind the shoulders too. I can already imagine how it will look in robot mode. The beast hands and feet are really obvious in robot mode too.

But I can overlook all those things. What I CAN'T forgive is that this thing doesn't have opening jaws. Even RID Quillfire has jaw articulation! I'm pretty sure the wolfhead doesn't have any articulation in the neck either, since the only kind of swivel it has room for wouldn't be on the right axis.

Not a horrible toy, but it really feels more like an upscaled legends.

>>5602238
...you can't tell if the jaws open or not from the pictures we've seen.

>>5602234
lol good reply anon

>>5602238
>a TW figure without ugly hollow forearms

Stop the fucking presses

>>5601955

Ultra Magnus was also put back together on Junkion right after he got blown up. I figured it was some special technique the Junkions had that could revive a recently demolished robot. Kinda makes sense when you consider everyone there is made from junk

It probably only works on recently destroyed robots, as Wreck-Gar tried to revive Optimus but couldn't

>>5602238
>that fucking doghead kibble
>this thing doesn't have opening jaws

These are some really petty issues.

>>5601960

To make faggots cry.

>>5602238

I'm more pissed they didn't do something like this and make a whole fucking CW Predaking instead of doing Skylynx or White Optimus or...Etc. You get the point.

Rip out the headmaster ridealong chest, shove in a combiner peg, swap the animal heads/feet as needed for Headstrong/Rampage/whatever the fuck the other guy is named, and then make a bird mold for Divebomb.

THEN they could've remolded this shit for Abominus to boot.

>>5601973

Get two Clampdowns to serve as subordinates for Bisk. Pose one on either side of Bisk

>>5601973

Is the Legion Clampdown any good?

>>5601993

the CW Rook/Swindle/Hound mold is one of the best molds in the line.

You can even mount the gun on the shoulder of Hound / Swindle by way of a spot on the roofs underside

>>5602252
Bisk is pretty smart. I give you Clampdown. If we could get that submarine octopus, oooooooh.

>>5602253
He's more fun than he looks. You can change his expressions and there's quite a few poses you can get. More than youd expect.

>>5602242
I guess there's a slight chance the jaws have a hinge on the inside, but it really doesn't look like that to me. If it does turn out to have opening jaws, I'd gladly eat my words and enjoy the toy.

>>5602247
>These are some really petty issues.
I guess they might be. But for a beast former with such a simplified transformation, You kinda wish they took an extra step to make the beast form more worthwhile.

One other thing. This thing could've really used a swivel under the shoulders and hips. I dunno why they would omit that since every other deluxe has those things, and I'm pretty sure this one is already on the low side of parts count. Thought it does look like it might have a waist joint even thought it would be very limited by beast mode kibble.

>>5602251
The jets could probably be easily remolded into birds.

>>5602259
I'm pretty sure that if it has a jaw joint that itd be one of those held in by friction that can pop out with too much pressure. I'm not saying he for sure has jaw articulation just saying we have no way of knowing yet.

>>5602259
>This thing could've really used a swivel under the shoulders and hips.
Look at his left arm. That looks like a swivel in the bicep if that's what you're looking for.

>>5602259
>Thought it does look like it might have a waist joint
There's no "looks like." you can clearly see that it does.

>>5602053

As long as it's someplace like TRU or Target I can accept that.

>>5602265
I'm looking at the beast form which has a bigger picture, and it looks more like one solid piece to me.

I hope I'm wrong. Because with no wrist joint and no swivel at all in the arm, this thing is gonna be pretty crappy at posing with that sword.

>>5602069

Not upset in the lest.

Just be grateful that we're getting ANY Computron at all.

>>5602075
>The minicon shouldn't be there at all.

Yeah, well he is. Deal with it. May as well have it be something that makes a little sense

>>5602280
There's definitely a bicep swivel. If you look at the forearm bits they're facing different directions in beast and robot modes- the bottom in beast mode being the top in robot.

>>5602286
You're right. Good eye.

>>5602280
That's why I said look at the left arm. The left arm isn't shown that well in the beast picture so what would that mean for you to look at?

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>>5602253

>>5602259
>>5602265
>>5602280
>>5602286
>>5602287
Also look at the bot legs above the knee. That's a swivel joint.

Boy you sure aren't looking at the pictures close enough.

>>5602153

May Brian Savage drown in his own vomit

Im pleased that we're getting all 6 of the original regular G1 Headmaster characters

Might get an extra Hardhead to give Brawn a body. Maybe I can find a workable weapon to mount on his shoulder

>>5602283
They could just release the toy without the waste of plastic, like they did with the minicons for the reused Armada molds back in Cybertron.

man I know I'm going to get shit on for this but I feel like we're getting the best range of stuff this year that we've gotten in a while. I unapologetically love -master type transformers and I will be buying each and every one of the deluxes (except probably blurr and scourge) and I need that fucking adorable baby apeface. Astrotrain for sure too. Am I the only one that's actually pleased?

anyone else with a botcon megs have paint chipping on the chest?
i asked the guys at the con but they said they cant replace it as they have no more :(

also on mine the eyes are unpainted, is that for everyone?

>>5602306
Nah I'm excited. It has nothing to do with liking the characters or nostalgia. I'm just excited for new beast bots and wheelie and Astrotrain.

Kind of want Soundwave but I already have the Hasbro MP so I'll see how I feel when I see it in person. Unless it's this line's Magnus and I never see it in person.

>>5602311
Shut up.

>>5602007
mine doenst have the dragon mode eyes painted. is yours also like that? paint on the chest is also coming off but they said they dont have any replacements.

>>5602311
>>5602318
The Dragon eyes not being painted is old news.

And using faces is pretty stupid here.

>>5602316
ayy way to be a faggot

>>5602305
I love how triggered you are that they're including an extra figure that in no way effects the set.

>>5602303
Can you take that shoulder mounted cannon off? I'd like my brawn to kill people with his fists (going to hunt down those Bulkhead mini-cons).

>>5602238
>but it really feels more like an upscaled legends.

could you shut the fuck up

>>5602306
I am so excited. This hits all the sweet spots. Cool characters that I have nostalgia for, most of whom haven't had mass-released updates.

Tons of little extra heads/little dudes, with room for those dudes to ride on the vehicles. In cockpits, in turrets (the opening turret on Hardhead's tank gun is so awesome), and of course with the base modes and the titan master vehicles.

So much interchangeability. And so much stuff you can actually do with them all.

I am just imagining the manchild fun I'm going to have when tiny Apeface rockets up to Astrotrain, turns into monkey mode, rips Darkmoon off of Astrotrain's body, and then takes over Astrotrain.

How are we not all unreasonably excited? Headmasters that look great, smaller toys that interact with them, and then big base Transformers, too.

This is everything I want. But I grew up on headmasters and micromasters.

>>5602323
It removes Ultra Magnus from the set, though.

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>>5602306

Nah, I've been really happy with the past year or two of stuff. CW/UW was fucking amazing for getting us GOOD G1 combiners with few flaws, and the TR stuff looks good so far.

>>5602333
I like a ton of these things, but I do have one issue and that was changing the guys who had Targetmasters into Headmasters.

A few figures I really liked being head only also kind of soured it a bit for me, but maybe they'll fix it up when they reveal the last 2 waves.

>>5602337
>this guy

>>5602341
I want Horri-Bull and Nightbeat and Squeezeplay as full figures. But getting those little ones is fun, too. I'm not super worried about it.

And I never think "targetmaster" when I think of Blurr or Scourge, even though they had Targetmaster releases. The cool thing about them being Headmasters is you can just put the head on, put them on a shelf, and never think of it again.

Or enjoy the gimmick when you play with them.

I'm a little bummed PM Optimus is a headmaster, but it doesn't ruin the toy for me or anything.

>>5602346
>I'm a little bummed PM Optimus is a headmaster, but it doesn't ruin the toy for me or anything.

Powermasters being Headmasters doesn't bother, it's not like their gimmick was great or anything. I don't like PM Prime regardless, but that not one of those reasons.

At least Fangry has a shot at being made since it looks like you can make him out of Mindwipe.

Though, I do want a new Squeezeplay badly, since he was the first Transformer I ever got.

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>>5602287
>>5602293
It's nice to see that they've maintained the articulation standard they set for Combiner Wars. Plenty of these deluxes have waist swivels when possible, everyone has bicep and thigh swivels, and a few of them even have useful wrist articulation! Very pleasing to see.

>>5602324
>Can you take that shoulder mounted cannon off?
Looks like Hardhead's main cannon is attached via pin-hinge, and thus cannot be removed normally.

>>5602346
>>5602356
Only thing that bums about PM Prime is that horrid deco he looks to have so far, with that "smoker's home" tan/grey he's using.

I'm holding out for a TAKARA WINS AGAIN for him.

>>5601954
>orange dinobot spark crystal

Anyone else glad fanpub is done?

>>5602364
My main gripes are:

-The really noticeable hollow arms and the trailer kibble also on the arm. Having the trailer be a separate piece to cover the hollow bits would have been fine.
-The cab looks terrible
-Awful PM chest homage
-Wrong guns
-Cab doesn't turn into a tiny Optimus (I can live with that, but I had to throw it in here)

The head also looks weird, but I'll at least wait for it to show up before I judge it.

>>5602356
I fucking love Squeezeplay, too. So I'm with you there.

PM Prime was the Optimus I grew up with, so I am going to buy him no matter what. Some of the design choices (hollow arms, the big gray planks attached to the arms, the weird chest armor, the reused Magnus guns) aren't my favorite, but I really liked CW UM. So I'm sure I'll love this one too once I have it in hand.

>>5602364
It doesn't strike me as too far off from the original one, but I can see that now that you mention it.

I'm sure the Takara one will look really cool.

>>5602376
>PM Prime was the Optimus I grew up with, so I am going to buy him no matter what. Some of the design choices (hollow arms, the big gray planks attached to the arms, the weird chest armor, the reused Magnus guns) aren't my favorite, but I really liked CW UM. So I'm sure I'll love this one too once I have it in hand.

Let's hope Takara pulls off a miracle. Ginrai's apparently still really popular, so they might fix a few of the issues.

>>5602029
>Not a single one of the CW Autobot repaint shits are better than their older classics toys
Maybe not BETTER. but I think CW Mirage and Wheeljack have much nicer proportions than their Classics coutnerparts.

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>>5602144
>Did they ever make toys of those robot sluts from GGG Final other than the model kits that cannot transform or combine?

Nope. Bandai made prototypes of them, but they havent been released yet and most likely never will (Bandai does this alot)

>>5602360
Who else are we missing? I only watched Rebirth like once as a kid.

>>5602360
>3 decepticon beasts
>3 autobot vehicles

I'd be down for a line like this. Like reverse beast machines.

>>5602386
Snapdragon and Apeface are still missing. though Apeface is getting a Titanmaster toy. its a shame cause his original toy looks so cool and an upgrade would be nice..

>>5602378
Makes sense. Ginrai was a really fun character.

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>>5602392
Galvatron and the Horrorcons are best friends!

>>5602378
I'm starting to think they will not fix PM Prime's guns, since they might include them with Godbomber/Apexbomber (who's apparently getting a toy if we go by rumors).

HTS has Legends Shockwave again, for anyone interested in him that doesn't want to be raped in the wallet.

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>>5602396

>>5602029
CW Prowl and Smokescreen may not be as accurate to the original designs, but they are better toys than their classics counterparts.

>>5602401
>GalvatronGetsReadyToTakeAShitOnYourFloorBecauseFuckYou.jpg

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>>5602383
*sigh*

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Thats not the Rodimus I was waiting for.

>>5602410
Is that the titanium?

>>5602410
Oh wow

>>5602255
Even better, if you have Animated Swindle his cannon will peg into that shoulder hole so Swindle can have his bitchin' arm cannon

>>5601860
Any word on price and availability for this set? I don't actively collect Transformers anymore but I love The Movie and this looks like a great way to replace some of the extremely crap versions I currently have.

>>5602410
We'll probably get a new one, look at Blurr and Scourge who got new molds and their old ones in Platinum sets.

>>5602410

So glad I got MP-28.

The fuck is that monstrosity in that back?

>>5602417
They announced it as a target exclusive, but didn't say how much.

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>>5602386
Those six deluxes plus Brainstorm actually complete the set of '87 regular Headmasters. Apeface and Snapdragon -- the Horrorcons -- make up their own pair.

If we include the individual Titan Masters (since we probably won't get individual toys of them in this line), we still need:
>Snapdragon
>Hosehead/Cab
>Fangry/Wilder
>Minerva

And also Scorponok, but that's a given.

>>5602420
The Planet Junk set I'd assume, based on the brief glimpse of a spinning saw axe.

>>5602410
Can either of them even hold that Matrix?

Can Classics Hot Rod or Optimus hold it, for that matter?

>>5602428
That and the classics rodimus gun.

>>5602430
Galvatron can techincally cup it, if you rotate his arm so his open palm faces flat.

Rodimus, Hot Rod, and any Optimus that isn't MP all have Cube With A Tube for hands.

Goddamn it feels good to be a headmaster fan.

I only had a few as a kid, maybe four or five but only like two or three heads and one had a broken arm. I was too young to take care of my shit properly in the 80's.

But holy shit these new Transformer lines are toyetic as fuck. The cobiners, the new headmasters, Fort Max. It's like an 80's revival.

You got headmasters and tiny head robots and a big cityformer playset that turns into a giant robot and shit. This is how you do toys.

I wish I werent so poor right now. I don't even have a combiner team atm.

>>5602438
I grew up without being able to experience any of the original Headmasters, but I fucking loved the concept of little robots that became heads and guns for bigger ones. So now that it's a line-wise gimmick rather than just assigned to a specific wave, I feel pretty damn good about it all.

>>5602456
Same here, anything with robots becoming parts of bigger robots and/or piloting bigger robots is always the best shit.

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>>5602438
>I wish I werent so poor right now. I don't even have a combiner team atm.
If you save up around a hundred bucks, you could always pick up one of the box sets. Complete combiner plus mini-robot accessory in a single purchase.

>>5602438
my first true transformer was skullcruncher
so i'm estastic to get a modern toy of that character

>>5602463

Not even a hundred. Amazon has the G2 Superion for like $80 already because no one likes G2.

>>5602399
>>5602399
>>5602399

Again, for anyone who wants CW Shockwave.

>>5602472
Don't even bother. I've replied to many people on here acting desperate for a shockwave letting them know I can middleman for shipping + retail and not one has even tried. There's a lot here at one of my wal marts.

>>5602473

Was just trying to help folks out. I lucked out and managed to get a CW one months ago the first time they went up, in like the middle of the day during the week. Fucking thing sold out within the hour, couldn't believe it.

>>5602475
I got one today after managing to catch walmart finally fucking restocking, along with Chop Shop. They're pretty damn great, but Shockwave alone is going to have me habitually rearranging Bruticus between combined mode and his components.

>>5602476

I ended up doing the same with Bruticus and Shockwave, so hard to choose what modes I want them all in.

>>5602476
>>5602479
I didn't get bruticus, but I really like the idea of Prime shockwave with the insecticons and predacons so I have him with all the legends/cyberverse/legion insecticons and non-cassete beasts by CW Devastator's feet with megs and starscream on devs shoulders.

I have no desire for the cassette birds, but MAYBE ravage for Shockwave. I want to see the articulation first.

>>5602480

The animal cassettes don't look so great, but the Rumble mold looks like it'll be solid.

>>5602487
Yeah the humanoids are fine. I had zero interest in Buzzsaw until I saw him in person. I appreciate the size of it. Buzzsaw was larger than I expected, but lack of flapping is bullshit. Like I said I'll wait and see ravages articulation. If it's decent then I'm okay with with its weirdness to an extent.

>>5602489

Is it bad I'd rather see all the cassette guys get Deluxe sized toys so they weren't forever condemned to (usually) shitty altmodes with piss poor articulation?

>>5602480
Sounds like a neat display. Pics?

>>5602492
To each their own, personally I'm willing to sacrifice a lot to have them store in Shockwave / Blaster.

>>5602492
No it's not bad. Can be like a real gear thing, though of course it will bother a lot of people.

>>5602498
I can maybe get one tomorrow? Bout to pass out. Its 2:16am here and I can't handle lack of sleep like I used to.

>>5602410
Wow, 2 wonderful figures in one pack.

It will fly off the shelve in seconds.

>>5602412
He's probably plastic this time, but yes.

>>5602506
Maybe that will make it a better figure.

Maybe.

>>5602489
>Buy buzzsaw
>Apply wood texture sticker
TaBIRD transformer.

>>5602510
>Buy 54 Buzzsaws
>Apply wood texture stickers
Jenga Transformer.

>>5602472
>>5602473
>>5602475
Maybe its because of the preorders for Takara Legends Legends Shockwave (Rolls right off the tongue)

i'd have got one from you anon but i like, just preordered that one

>>5602518
I've been offering to middleman for a while though. It gets annoying to see people complain they "will never own" shockwave after a while.

>>5602513
>Buy Buzzsaw
>Paint it entirely black
>Attach wires
Electrical transformer transformer

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>>5600716
Generations Wheeljack is better, but CW is still pretty good

the new one has nicer proportions and looks more accurate with some paint

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>>5602525
By the way if you dont like the open hands on Generations Wheeljack, you can use 1970s Camaro Bumblebee hands with no mods

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>>5602529
Anyone like TF Devastation??

>>5602525
If CW Wheeljack had been like that out of the package, it would've been an instant purchase for me.

>>5602532
Game looks fun, haven't played it. Appreciate the old Va's coming back, those that are still kicking.

I think this year I'm going to stick to the original 7 headmasters and that's it, maybe wheelie and eject. I really should not have gone out of my way to purchase 20 figures over the Combiner Wars line
But is it weird that I don't want Fort Max but I do want Cerebros?

>>5602540

Should play it. Best action game in years that wasn't MGR or Bayonetta 2.

>>5602410
are we still getting a headmaster rodimus by like wave 3?
I am fucking tired of the deluxe being re-released to death and now they're pushing it with re-releasing the titanium. Might as well use Energon Rodimus.

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>>5602540
Corey Burton didn't come back though, which sucks.

It sucks more because in this game you can get the characters to say their original toy quotes. Hearing Burton say "Clarity of thought before rashness of action" would have been choice

Great game though, definitely buy it. It's short, but its cheaper than the average game so it balances out

>>5602542
>is it weird that I don't want Fort Max but I do want Cerebros
I'm kinda in the same boat, I like how he looks.

>>5602544
>are we still getting a headmaster rodimus by like wave 3?
Apparently yeah.

The same source who said we'd get a new Rodimus also said we'd get a Titanmaster Apeface, which did come true

>>5602305

Well this is the way it is. Complaining isn't going to change anything.

Just put the smaller figure aside. Problem solved

>>5602311

The unpainted dragon eyes are likely a ref to Beast Machines Noble

>>5602324

Pretend the shoulder gun fires FIST MISSILES

Of the deluxe headmasters, only Chromedome of the Autobots is in contention. Meanwhile for the Decepticons Mindwipe is an instaget but Weirdwolf and Skullcruncher will depend on reviews.

I also need to beef up my Decepticon forces so Galvatron is likely. Astrotrain looks great in robot mode, but garbage in train and really flat in shuttle mode.

I'm considering Alpha Trion just because I don't have a figure for him yet, and his robot mode is pretty solid.

>>5602559
i gotta say, it's so nice to have actual Decepticons now.

Remember during Classics and Universe? all we had was Megatron, Astrotrain, and some seekers.

>>5602333

Oh Im fairly pleased with what we're getting.

Even Apeface

>>5602563
Yeah.

Guess I'll get Scourge too. Looks kinda meh but hopefully reviews will have him not suck.

And I suppose I should get CW Cyclonus if I can still find him.

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>>5602558
>Brawn has a bunch of fist missiles that reload really quickly, so when he uses all of them it looks like he's giving a combo

This is overall a nice release. However, given the theme, it's kind of sad there's no sight of a new Omega Supreme
Speaking of "base mode" bots, can someone please repost Soundwave/Blaster/Titan O.P. images and the release date thing please?

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>>5602337

>>5602532
>Bumblebee, being the only MP, ends up unusually large in comparison
I like it.

>>5602576
thanks, its cause in the game their sizes are more similar. I dont have a proper G1 Prime or Grimlock though... mostly cause they dont exist yet

>>5602346

Maybe theyll retool Chromedome's body into Nightbeat

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>>5601862
>that brainstorm altmode

just noeffort my shit up

>>5602588
Still better than the Generations one.

>>5602372
>-Wrong guns

You can easily find original PM Optimus guns on Ebay for cheap

I even took the long pblack gun, trimmed the prongs off the handle and it makes a perfect gun for Menasor

>>5602601
It's really, really not. Especially considering like the entire front end partsforms.

>>5602372
the chest piece really stands out because it's taken straight from one of the movie Prime toys, that "ultimate" set no one bought. It was some piece of pelvis armor.

But now that I see the vehicle mode those tiny windows and massive grille look like crap.

At bare minimum, expect a 3P replacement chest piece(looks like it pops off on the hinge), because I doubt Takara will replace that part.

>>5602601
>I must defend Hasbro's efforts, no matter the cost!

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>>5602489

Do this with him

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>>5602608
Yeah, and the old one had giant legs that dangled out the back of the jet mode and bent elbows just farting around along the main body. This new one is a better design, mostly because it's not based on IDW.

>>5602615
They're both made by Hasbro, genius.

>>5602608
>the entire front end partsforms
Isn't the nose just on a detachable hinge? I recall Blurr being on display at NYTF with the front end on his back instead of as a shield.

>>5602618

Im okay with the new one existing. It's just odd to get another Brainstorm this soon

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>>5602617

Sleeker supersonic speed mode

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>>5602608
>>5602622
Here it is. The front end can be removed to be used as a weapon, but it can sit just fine behind the figure.

Why do they have massive butts [spoiler]and no torso twist[/spoiler]

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>>5602628
Forgot image

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>>5602626

And a mobile artillery mode

>>5602238

>finally ball jointed beast legs and ankle rockers
>no wrist anything

Does it even have a bicep swivel? Christ.

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>>5602624
Yeah, there it is. The biggest problem people have had with Brainstorm so far, nullified.

>>5602629

>>Go on, light the match, Eject! This is gonna RULE!

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>>5602632
Yes, it does.

This picture from Hasbro's display where they mistransformed the front legs of the wolf mode show it.

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>>5602635
Rewind.

>>5602640

No, I meant Eject. Didnt want to use the homobot

>>5602640

I imagine an Eject is inevitable.

>>5602641
But when was Rewind, the Autobot cassette minion, ever homosexual?

>>5602643

IDW

>>5602643
James Robert's fan fiction. Same place Star Saber's an evil decepticon and Cyclonus and Megatron are the most heroic autobots ever.

>>5602369
i mean, brian sodom and pete shitclair had to go

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>>5602645

>>5602645
>>5602644
When was he Blaster's little buddy in IDW?

>>5602627
>>5602622
Oh, well fuck me then.

>>5602647
>umad.jpg

>>5602645
star saber was not a decepticon, brainstorm was.

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To those bitching about titan returns blurr having a parts forming shield, while not animation accurate it is toy g1 accuracy, something that carries to the legends toy from takara before they "save" you

>disclaimer-I've only skimmed the thread and saw some talk

BUT one thing that does concern me as its something I don't have, brainstorm, seeing as he's a retool of TR Blurr, that front section isn't meant to come off right, or is it?

I do hope for takara's they retool the guns to be removable, that said if accurate its fine I guess, I only know the generations voyager brainstorm's front section was intergrated into the transaction

>disclaimer-I saw it via emgo's reviews and feel asleep half way but pretty sure I didn't hear anything about shields being formed

>>5602684
The bitching was about Brainstorm; who, by virtue of sharing tooling with Blurr, also has a detachable front section.

While they are removable, the front sections of both toys are actually hinged on the figures, so the piece only separates if you want it to. So if there's anything to complain about on TR Brainstorm, it's not partsforming.

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>that head
It seems like a passable Orion Pax I guess.

I don't think this is the mold we're getting a bat Optimus out of.

>>5602690
You can put Fortress Maximus' head on a deluxe? Neat.

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>>5602687
Ah, thank for for the information, I thought the parts forming was mandatory, so the only problem lies in the guns on the front section of brainstorm now right?

>>5602696
>pic related

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>>5602696
Of course, anon! In fact, the Titan Masters work across all size classes. What else could it be, a symbolic representation using the line's flagship character?

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>>5602703

>>5602684
Just, once, I want a space car blurr with a NON removable hood that folds up inside him instead if becoming a shield.

>>5602711
Well as >>5602687 said its optional.

Not that it folds inside him but it remains, plus toy accuracy brownie points

>>5600716
>>Deluxe Groove (from UW) being released online in May
And of course no solicitation because EE can't get its shit together (Slingshot/Wildrider was available so assuming Groove is supposed to be too).

Those transformers rescue heroes mini con things like the drill thing, may I ask.

Do they work on figures with minicon ports?

Or more specifically, generations/legends starscream or CW leader/legends megatron.

I'm tempted to fill them out as cheap as possible for shits and giggles

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whats the long thing supposed to be>

a train?

>>5602718
Battle canoe.

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>>5602643
>But when was Rewind, the Autobot cassette minion, ever homosexual?
Well he did spend most of his time inside another dude.

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>>5602717
The Rescue Bots Mini-Cons are compatible with most Transformers via their 5mm pegs. However, they don't have the standard Powerlinx port that Armada Mini-Cons have. The RID Mini-Cons don't have Powerlinx ports either, for that matter.

If you want a quick way to amass compatible Mini-Cons, try looking for the Mini-Con Assault Team from two years ago. Some places here still have them, and marked down too.

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>>5602717
>>5602725
If you can find them, Takara's Arms Microns also work on Powerlinx pegs.

But if you were looking to find a really cheap way to fill out your Powerlinx pegs, maybe see if eBay has some original Armada Mini-Cons lying around.

>>5602725
So those rescue bots wouldn't work on say a leader megs?

Well not so much work more like stick them on there as extra kibble I guess.

>Mini-Con Assault Team

I've seen these at a holiday in the phillippines, sadly Australia doesn't have anything as generations and if they did they'd overcharge as they do with anything.

>>5602728
>Takara's Arms Microns
...I have one of prime megatron laying around, forgot about him, cheers!

Now I can have a(nother) starscream wield a transforming megatron, cheers!

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>>5602731
>So those rescue bots wouldn't work on say a leader megs?
They can attach to his hands for him to hold, or on the holes in his forearms. But not on pegs shaped like pic related.

You were the anon who visited the PH last year, aren't you?

>>5602741
Why yes I am indeed, and thanks for clarifying with the pegs, that was exactly where I was thinking of jamming them on.

I...might go again this year, still on the fence about it but on the cards

>>5602728
>tfw you came to the AM game too late
>tfw you will never complete the Dark Matter Calibur

JUST

>>5602690
>Optimus helmet covers almost completely the headmaster
what's even the point then?

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Hello Autofriends.

Superion here.

I seem to have forgotten the Autobot security codes to enter the secret base.

Would you be so kind as to remind me of them?

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>>5602744
Feel free to talk about your Philippine finds again if you do; it's fun to see how an outsider experiences the toy market here.

Also, I should let you know that the Powerlinx peg that Starscream and Megatron have are the same size as the standard weapon peg. That means anything with the 5mm hole will work on those things.

Combiner Wars Rook has a handfoot gun with a hole right in the palm, and the Swindle/Hound retool also has a compatible hole in their smaller weapon. (If you're particularly silly, you can jam the whole figure onto that peg if you want!)

>>5602757
I'm sorry superion but you need to update to the takara OS, the hasbro one is easily hacked, apparently it was made by the guys who coded the sony ps3's security keys.

>>5602703

You look like you're angry about something, friend?

Maybe you need to down a couple of pills for that.

>>5602759
Hrm, good points, I shall indeed share when I head there again.

I totally forgot about that peg point, gives me something to muck about with, cheers!

>>5602718
right now, I'm interpreting it simply as the stationary gun turret mode of the vehicle on the right side during those times where you need heavier firepower. It can clearly shoot from the front and back as needed.

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>>5602771
Yeah, sorry. I was really riled up by the argument from a few threads ago.

>>5602660
>>>/9gag/

>>5602766
>"Superion" tries this
>His coloration becomes a fucking nightmare of shifting silvers and blues
>Firefly and AB's foot kibble nearly absorb into them
>Air Raid's wings try to snap off and onto the chest
>The aerialbots disconnect as if it triggered a gag reflex

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Daww, isn't that adorable?

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HOLD DA FUCK UP, SCOURGE HAS COME,SAY YOUR PRAYERS HASBRO

>>5602577
>proper g1 prime or grimlock
>dont exist yet
>MP's exist

Uhhh