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>The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It

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>The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It is alive as dreams are alive, more real than real ... for a moment at least ... that long magic moment before we wake.

>Fantasy is silver and scarlet, indigo and azure, obsidian veined with gold and lapis lazuli. Reality is plywood and plastic, done up in mud brown and olive drab. Fantasy tastes of habaneros and honey, cinnamon and cloves, rare red meat and wines as sweet as summer. Reality is beans and tofu, and ashes at the end. Reality is the strip malls of Burbank, the smokestacks of Cleveland, a parking garage in Newark. Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot. Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest Airlines. Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?

>We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La.

>They can keep their heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to Middle Earth.

Is he right?
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>>55347936
Depends on the taxes
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>>55347936
About what? It's a non statement.
>fantasy is exciting, so we read fantasy

Wheeow boy, yes that's true.
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>>55347936
A reminder that I completely humiliated the disgusting Martin apologists in the last thread, and they had to come in on page 10 to attempt to fight me.

I won. Martin is a hack and will not be remembered because his series will not be finished. You lost decisively and one-sidedly. And if you disagree, then the more you drink, the more you shat, squatting by the riverside.
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>>55348413
Wrong.
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>>55348499
THE MORE
SHE DRANK
THE MORE
SHE SHAT
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>>55348496
im amazed this isn't copy pasta and people literally can be this pathetic
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>>55348413
Keep everyone informed.
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>>55348507
All that is necessary for it to become copypasta is for you to repost it once. And if you aren't, you're a childkiller.
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>>55348496
This has to be some kind of roundabout attempt to make the right look bad.
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>>55348502
This scene makes sense in the context and is thematically appropriate for Daenerys' character development.
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>>55348496
>he holds opinions I dislike
>he must suffer eternally, a concept which my human brain can not in fact fathom so it compartmentalizes by thinking of the worst thing I've ever experienced, but even that isn't much because I'm a helpless shut in who has suffered nothing worse than a stubbed toe while climbing the stairs from the basement to go get tendies
>not even mentally developed enough to undestand than a disparity of opinions is critical in developing civilization because if we didn't have it we would still be under a rule supported by divine right.
>thinking it's not ok to have different opinions that should be shared and measured
>thinking it IS ok to try to "win" an "argument" based on subjectivity.
RIP the dream, faglord.
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>>55348540
Content-free non-argument, you pseud. He's a childkiller. Fortunately my descendants will not have to share a world with his, because he has none.
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>>55348561
Abloobloobloo, he said I made a non argument! My butthole is sure to run red with a torrential flow of blood from the detestation I have sustained! Bloobloobloo. Does your high school councilor know you shitpost on 4chan? Does your shrink? Be careful not to shoot up you school now, anon. That would make you a triple hypocrite.
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>>55348561
Assuming you're not being ironic, with the amount of generations of inbreeding you seem to represent it'd be a miracle if your children's children are still bipedal.
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oh boy what's going on in this threa-
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>>55348622
Calm down everyone, it's a troll. Hide, report, and move along.
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>>55348622
excuse me you triggered me apologise immediately
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>>55347936
>George "My dragons has two legs" Martin

he will never be right sweetie
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>>55348530
No, this is how the right actually thinks.

Underneath all the memes, underneath all the irony, this is their mindset.

This guy thought he was among friends, or at least in a place where he can't be punished for speaking his mind. So the filters come off, and his raw thoughts come flooding out.
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>>55348724
>one guy's ramblings=actions/opinions of an entire side of political spectrum

hello [REDACTED]!
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>>55348724
>No, this is how the right actually thinks.
This is akin to saying every feminist is in full support of the ritual castration of males. Those with the least to say oft speak the loudest, and they are by no means the majority.
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BRAVO MODS.
You can delete some posts but not a shit thread. Didn't you just hit it out of the fucking park.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmKhGqWcJGY
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OP, I honestly wish I could kill you just so I could stop hiding your threads every time you make them.
It wouldn't be a painful murder, just a quick expiration and then you'd be gone.
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>>55348914
Can't you filter by key word?
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>>55348924
What's the key word to filter here?
He change the text it every time he Martinposts and because our shit-fucking janitors likely can neither speak English nor bother paying attention at all he just gets away with it over and over.
I'm just going to the hide the thread and be on with my evening.
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>>55348884
Truly, he is the Lord Dunsany of our generation.
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>>55347936
>They can keep their heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to Middle Earth.

"They can keep their egalitarian heaven. When I die, I'd sooner go to a feudal Apartheid Monarchy run exclusively on Numenorian-Supremacist Primogentiure that excludes women from all decision-making processes" said the low-IQ underachieving liberal feminist, while trying to sound smart and progressive.

Press F for this fat fucking retard's intellectual integrity.
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>>55349017
I don't think Martin is a feminist

Unless you can prove me wrong
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>>55348413
You sound like that guy who routinely masturbates to his own posts.
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>>55349026
Sure he is, just look at his characters. Cersei in particular is a well-written example of internal misoginy - hence the often mocked "myrish swamp" bit. Brienne is a woman, who wants to be a knight, but does not reject her feminine nature and is unapologetic for it. Sansa uses her empathy to survive instead of a sword or poison.
A lot of people seem to have this sexist notion that a feminist character must be some butch lesbian who kills men for no reason and laughs about it. This kind of a character may appear in the show (Brienne), but not really the books.
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>>55349017
>all of Middle Earth was Gondor
Okay.

Nevermind that, however silly it is, Numenoreans were better than the Men of the Third Age in every concievable way. Of course their descendants were in positions of power. Kind of like how people with high IQ are always better, in aggregate, than those with less.
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>>55347936
Stop Martinposting
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>>55347936

I get there's a song of fire and ice ttrpg but >>>/lit/ pls go
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>>55348536
Because Dany is shit and getting shitter all the time?
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what's this guys story
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>>55349017
What on earth gave you the impression that GRRM wants to live in Gondor, rather than the Shire where he can have five meals a day?
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>>55347974

You don't have a poetic bone in your body.
Fucking robotic human beings are the worst.
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>>55350581
Dude, glass houses. This is some "World of Darkness opening fiction"-tier "poetry".
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>>55347936
This board used to be a place that facilitated fairly civil discussion on any and everything pertaining to fantasy and science fiction escapism.

What the fuck is happening
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>>55350675
GoT happened. /tg/ is a contrarian board that hates everything that's popular. Give it a few years until the show dies.
Maybe the fat man will write a new book by then.
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>>55347936
>>>/lit/
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>>55350689
>x happened. /z/ is a contrarian board that hates everything that's popular. Give it a few years until r dies.
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>>55348413
Goodness, does your penis hurt jerking it so hard?
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>>55350581
Why beat around the bush and say "fuck you"?
Everything he said is absolutely right and you're just getting angry that he isn't falling for your bait
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>>55350689
>/tg/ is a contrarian board that hates everything that's popular
Just because you say this in every thread doesn't mean it's true
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>secondary antagonist of the series is literally called Sauronman

Tolkeinfags will defend this.
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>>55354822
>sauron
>saruman

Yes, such creativity indeed.
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>>55354591
You're still right
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>>55354800
Explain autistic hatred towards DnD.
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>>55350675
4chan became more popular, so more shitposters and autists came to it
And it's not that bad you drama queen, you can still find fun discussion
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>>55354822
>>55354865
Did anyone ever asked Tolkien why he made both the main antagonists have such similar names?
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>>55355768
>>55354865
>>55354822
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>>55354822
From the wiki (tolkiengateway, the good one):

"Sauron is a Quenya name, said to mean "the Abhorred".

Several accounts of the origin of the name Sauron were suggested in different linguistic manuscripts:

- deriving from Quenya saura ("foul, evil-smelling, putrid", from the root THUS).
-deriving from Quenya saura ("foul, vile"; from root SAWA). The manuscript continues saying that Sauron "could be a genuine Sindarin formation from saur; but is probably from Quenya". However, this origin appears to have been rejected, as it is followed by the comment "No. THAW-, cruel. Saura, cruel" in the manuscript.
- deriving from the Primitive Quendian form Oaurond- (formed from the adjective Oaurā "detestable", from root THAW).
deriving from Thauron, which includes the Sindarin element thaur ("abominable, abhorrent"; also found in Gorthaur).


Saruman is a Mannish translation of Quenya Curumo, his original name in Valinor as a Maia; and Sindarin Curunír which is supposedly the same name (with the ending -ndîr "man"). All names mean "Skilled Man" or "Cunning One" (root curu "skill").

Saruman is derived from Old English: the root word searu means "device, design, contrivance, art" and the whole name means "man of skill".

Looking this up reminded me why Tolkien is so great. I love ASOIAF and all, but the sheer depth of LOTR is something Martin just can't match. He's a good worldbuilder, but Tolkien is truly exceptional in his detail.
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>>55355312
Because it is a legitimately bad system?
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>>55356498
Which of the ten editions are you talking about?
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>>55356498
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>>55350581

Well he's right. He waxes poetic about saying "fantasy is fantastical." It has little content to say outside of some disappointing views on reality.
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>>55350689

Ah, a confused /v/ermin. You need to understand that /tg/ is much different than your disgusting home.
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>>55350619

I agree. It's pretty cool. You can see the writer's enthusiasm and some neat syntax shit.
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>>55355312

Because /v/ermin and /a/nimals have infested the board along with a good dosage of /pol/ution.

People don't want to create content, they just want to meme. So they took what was a super tiny meme from back in the day and latched onto it so they could also pretend that they played roleplaying games.
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>>55350557
After what Saruman's done, I'd just set sail for the undying lands.
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>>55357398
It's really not.
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>>55357453

Oh /v/ermin, you have such love of being contrarian but such a hatred for hard evidence. I can tell you are only interested in (You) so have one more you poor creature.

Now the only question is if you will desperately bait more responses. Whether in this thread or another.
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>>55348413
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>>55357491

I'm not even that guy and /v/ is a shithole, but holy fuck dude, you are desperately autistic. Just making sure you knew, because I would want someone to tell me.
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>>55357605

>/v/ is a shithole

Glad you agree.
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where does these Matin post get those quotes, does he have a book about fantasy theory?
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I fucking hate how GRRM ruined fantasy forever. stop posting him/about him please.

DISINFECT THE GERRM
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>>55357827
He didn't ruin fantasy. ASOIAF came out about 1997 & it wasn't the next Tolkien.
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>>55348413
>I won.
the value of such a statement is literally and unironically zero. except as bait of course. seeing you got your (you)s already, i have to congratulate you, anon.
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>>55348502
>getting triggered by a description of diarrhea
lel
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>>55354800
But he's actually right. This board has become increasingly hostile towards GRRM and his writing, same with /lit/.
Just look at posts from 2010 with search term "george martin".

>https://warosu.org/tg/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=george+martin&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=2010-04-14&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

How else to explain this shift than contrarianism and hatred towards the show's fanbase?
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>>55350689
Truth. Everyone here wants to be a special snowflake that hates the popular culture of their day and is only in to "cool" shit.

>I LOVE [GAME], YOU WERE PROBABLY TO BUSY PLAYING [OTHER GAME] TO HEAR ABOUT IT. LOOK AT MY NERD CRED.

It's exactly what happened to /mu/
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>>55358452
The shittier the show gets the more people hate GoT and ASoIaF in general so the bookfags start defending it by insulting the show haters making the haters even more hateful. Of course you have the people who did go through ASoIaF and still hate it.
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Write your own fantasy, if you're so great.
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>>55359195
Eh. I like traveller, star wars e4-6 and the show Dark matter.
Does that make me some sort of freak on /tg/ ?
But I think one upside is that sci-fi lacks a uniting setting like middle earth
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>>55347936
>dreams
The only dreams I have all involve my ex somehow. I don't think that qualifies as heaven I think it does damn it fucking hell fucking shit god damn it why why whyyyy
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>>55360071
Oh man does George has some fucking books for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi4oDl6fAI0&index=25&list=PLCsx_OFEYH6uDx4PBx6uAH_Pbfc5Sg1EQ
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>>55359590
I don't think a unified setting for sci-fi is necessary. I think middle earth's influence on fantasy is felt a bit too strongly, where almost all works are can be compared to it.

Having a unified setting has its merits, but I wouldn't want that to happen to sci-fi.
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>>55358452
Bitterness over the fact that he's almost certainly not going to release a new book before he croaks, due to either laziness or apathy?
Frustration that he's letting a subpar show be the final closure?
Annoyance that he let the show devolve as far as it did?
Rereading them and deciding they don't really hold up?
Hatred over cocksucking fans telling you to stop being "entitled" for wanting closure on the series, when they ignore that peole buy into series with the understanding that the author will do his best to finish them, and this hatred boiling over to other areas?

If you want to jerk yourself off over being the lone voice of reason in a world gone mad, go ahead, but don't do it in front of everyone else, and close the fucking door when you do
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These threads need to end
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>>55364016
>this thread needs to end
He says, bumping the thread.
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>>55364037
He's a Newfag. He doesn't know how it works.
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>>55347966
Kek
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>>55364073
Saging doesn't achieve anything anyway.
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>>55347936
Stop greaseposting and obeseposting, please.
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>>55363703
Jokes on me, we never go that far Time to bring out the rope again.
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>>55365385
Okay, made a mistake, finally watched it all. Still need to break out the rope.
I miss that ass. I think I need to be a forester and unwind.
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