Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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How could I go about modeling these guys? Would it take too much effort to do for a whole army?

Xth for FW has overpowered rules.

>>55273809
Ok

What is your(within the realm of possibility and realism) wishlist for your army(ies) codex release/update?

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>>55273811
yep

>>55273697
Primaris Psyker are IG which is the better army than Chaos, by a long shot. They can also be taken in an IG detachment while Malefic Lords need to be slotted in with a Renegade and heretics Detachment. which means you'd need to bring atleast 3

The Primaris Psyker also has Weapons while the Malefic lord (literally) fights with his bare hands.

>>55273811

>>55273833
>Tau
But the worst FW offenders are Malefics, Elysians and maybe Levis

>>55273841
The Primaris Psyker also has TWICE the Wounds of the Malefic-Lord.

>>55273809
Necron body
Fire Warrior Helmet
a file
green stuff

>>55273824
Well I started with Death Guard.

The thing I want is for the Plague Marine kits to be very rich with bits. I've got 17 Plague Marines at the moment, of which I've build/based/painted 10.

If I were to get the 3 man kit again, and a new set I'd have 30.

That means I could run 6 lots of 5 or 4 lots of 7 easily. And I want tons of plasma guns, tons of blight launchers, tons of flamers and stuff from that kit since those weapons are quite good.

>>55273841
>>55273861
They both have 4.
The FW one has a 4+ invul sav, Primar has a 5+ armor save.
The FW one gets much better and more attacks if it ever takes perils. 2+WS S8 5 attacks with -2 ap and 2 damage.
So no, the FW pskyer is much stronger.
And 10 points cheaper.

>>55273861

Doesn't it cost more?

>>55273824
Tau codex

Helbrutes or Predators? What are their comparative advantages and disadvantages?

>>55273951
The Primaris is still in the objectively better army and much easier to slot into your IG army than it is to Slot an Malefic-Daemonhost into your CSM Army.

It is better side by side. but unless youre full Waac and literally spam nothing but them its really no big deal.

>>55273979
RIP anon

>>55273880
I am on the same boat. I trimmed from excessive stuff a bunch bought for cheap on ebay, then (I don't think I am original) I used heads and weapons from the blightkings and other nurgle bits. Waiting for new ones got on ebay, I am having a blast just converting.
My only fear is that the Terminator and Power Armor characters that are not unique will suck. That is a lot of conversion work that will be lost.

>>55273965
Some high hopes there
I just want those Enclaves melee options since I like their flavour and style better. Up close and personal when you want etc

>>55273841
I think the real issue, statline and weapons aside, is that their is a real floor on the points cost for "dude with a full smite" and the MLord is pushing it.

>>55273979
anon got SMITED

>>55273824
I'd like to see subteranean and spore mine themed stratagems for Nids.

I'd like to see a genestealer stratagem that reveals one of your opponent's units was sabotaged or subjugated somehow before the battle. Like maybe a "hidden traitors" stratagem that allows you to make a shooting attack with one of your opponent's non character infantry models.

>>55274015
>>55273992
My finger twitched and hit the post button on Clover.

>>55274015
By a 30pt full smite 4+ invul model.

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>>55273475
And there. Frankly I'm surprised they manage to hold a society together at all if they're all that stupid, but I suppose we've seen a non-representative sample of 85% complete idiots.
Maybe things will improve a bit now we're a proper faction.

>>55273513

Given he seems to have bothered to make all the other factions in said novel less than cartoonishly retarded it seems a little much to just go with "you're all fuckwits because GRIMDARK". It's always been pretty ambiguous how much the Admech actually know, but the BL writers seem to have come down hard on the "they're all a cargo cult apart from the plot devices" recently.

I didn't just use the novel, given it was mentioned he was a main designer for 8e. I put together TWO pretty much completely unfounded assumptions, which is even worse in terms of credibility. I concede that point, although I mentioned it all of twice.

>>55274005
You don't think being able to stick 12 psychic characters in a valkyrie, have them disembark within smite range of the enemy, summon 1500 points of daemons and then get 12 smites off, all for less than 500 points is completely appropriate?

>>55274024

Give us tau walkers please gw>>55274037

>>55274024
I know this is a custom mini but I thought Tau were supposed to be the reasonable and practical faction. When did they decide to focus on giant stupid mecha?

>>55274057
I think the Lord and Primaris Psyker should probably have -1 to cast and deny or something.

>>55273833
Tau FW units don't seem overpowered at all to me. They had to give R'alai and R'myr errata buffs to make them playable. All the other special suits have only two hardpoints. Crisis commanders are objectively much better. (But tell me if there's something I'm missing. I haven't played with all of it, of course.)

>>55274024

Lol @ the pathfinders laying prone like "guys i sure hope they won't see us"

>>55274069
>Why would you want to have very heavy long range guns in an elevated position and be able to move around
Yeah I can't work it out either m8

>>55274069
actually I think that's a ch mini from way back

>>55274003
This. I also heard rumours about a 'non-Tau Tau affiliate' codex or supplement for this edition.

>>55274097
Stabilizing his gun I suppose.

How does one counter Magnus with a space marine army?

>>55273978
Helbrutes can use tactics unlike predators and contemptors.

>>55274097
1. Better firing position for yourself
2. Snipers will still shoot at you

>>55274117
and makes it less likely to accidentally catch a bullet.

>>55274110
You mean the non empire Tau models? or is there something else

>>55274121
Lascannons and meltas.

Also smite.

How __fun__ are Genestealers?

>>55274130
hellforged contemptors can use tactics theyve been errata'd to have the helbrute keyword

>>55274110
What like gue'vesa?

>>55273980
>easier to slot into your IG army than it is to Slot an Malefic-Daemonhost into your CSM Army.
Use Malefic Lords as your HQs to unlock your Brimstone Horror chaff via CHAOS

>>55273824

>Realism

Bah, give me a plastic hierodule for my nids.

>>55274099
Tanks can do it better.

This doesn't matter however because logic went out the window as soon as 40k was involved.

>>55274168
A tank will give your gun a ground clearance of about 5 meters at the most

>>55274140
Very FUN®

>>55274144
Thank fuck I don't have to cheat anymore.

>>55274138
Smite not so good against someone who can deny 3 powers a turn with a bonus to the deny.

>>55274137
The implication of what I read, so I thought, was something that worked with the Tau empire, but wasn't the Tau species. So >>55274150 or kroot or something. But I'd be pretty pleased with an enclaves codex too. Me want CC crisis suits.

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Only Scion I like thanks to the paintjob.

Looks very Blanche-like or maybe GW's paintjobs fucking suck unironically.

>>55274173
You can give a tank a torso, arms, and knees.

The tank vs mech argument has been done to death already by people far smarter than me. Go argue with them.

I want to know the crunch of the new plague bombard thingy, its the dealbreaker if im gonna start DG or not.

>>55274173
not when your tanks can hover/fly

>>55274216
Look I'm with you as far as real life logic and constraints are concerned, but for the Tau, building huge af walkers makes sense

>>55274224
It lets you crash this stormbird with no survivors.

>>55274140
You mean the unit or the genestealer cult army?

>>55274166
Tyranid plastic LoW fucking when?

>>55274240
If I take off Mortys mask, will he die?

>>55274235
This. If Tau were constrained by real logic, they would just use hammerheads and fire warriors. And while we're at it, why are they ever fighting land battles? They should just blast their opponents apart from orbit. And oh yeah, why don't they just enslave or hire psykers to pilot through the warp so they can start doing that all on a grand scale.

>>55274254
It would be extremely plagueful

>>55274268
Theres always room for diplomacy without nuking them first. Mechs are a part of Tau aesthetic. I agree that Tau do need SOME form of better FTL to fit into the larger universe. And the original guy I replied to was trying to ask why the Tau built bigger mechs when it's not "logical" which is why I made the claim that evetything 40k isn't logical so this claim is very minor.

>>55274346
He's a big Primarch.

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What was it like for DG players when they learned that DG would get new sculpts and attention?

It must be bittersweet, essentially having your old models invalidated with how stark the difference in quality is. Such a feeling Marine players must feel to a degree with Primaris too.

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>>55273773
>With the power to overcome even Chaos, the Tyranids may well signal the end for all life in the universe.
Carnac eternally BTFO

>>55274373
IV U

>>55274244
The army.

>>55274373
7 u

>>55274386
Considering the old models are shitty manlets and the new range comes with all sorts of sweet stuff and new weapons and shit I'd say they're probably not sweating it too much.

>>55274386
The new DG models really struck me with the amount of detail. The old plague marines really looked kind of just shit

>>55274359
Originally Tau used tanks and aircraft to combat shit like knights or bigger.
Mostly because in their eyes it was fucking retarded to build such huge things when you have hover tanks with rail guns.

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>>55274396
It leads to a lot of fun posting on this board that's for sure

>>55274415
I've heard that too in 5th edition. Do you have the source?

>>55274388
This is the best 30th anniversary present GW could have given us besides longcoat plastic guard.

>>55274422
oh I remember this image evolving over the shitfest threads

>>55273773
What are some interesting obscure minor races in 40k?

>>55274140
if they where a soda they would be Insane G-rape

>>55274069
The big suits are all designed by one mad earth caste who stole resources for his crazy plans. They let him get on with it because the first few worked. He still doesn't get that much funding.

>>55274434
Old FW books with the manta or tiger shark. One of the aircraft.
It was also in the old GW site when GW at least pretended to care about the hobby and lore.

>>55274442
Tau aren't that interesting.

>>55274140
>>55274449
If they were a top hero they would be Best Geneist

>>55274359
>Mechs are a part of Tau aesthetic.
Yeah, I agree. I'm not the guy you were talking to earlier (I'm only the guy you responded to with this post). Tau can't be constrained to IRL logic, but they're closer to it than the other factions. And that's how it needs to be. With the exception that yes, they need FTL travel because this is absurd. It would be easy enough for them to use a client race. In fact, they must already have a client race that could help them with this. This is my actual greatest hope for the new Tau codex. An update on this aspect of their fluff. We have an entire sphere of expansion that's just missing and could easily have gotten flung off somewhere interesting.

>>55273824
Since it's coming pretty soon-ish, here are my hopes
>give back Doctrina in some sort (maybe as strategem)
>give some other/more HQ options

Just minor things, but gosh please.

>>55274489
>>give back Doctrina in some sort (maybe as strategem)
That's almost definitely 100% happening.

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So because there's no WIP thread are there any tips for painting with acrylics that are meant for painting on an easel? Do I thin with water or some of the citadel medium?

Here's some in progress shots trying to get a base plan of action. I want to do neon colors on my Eldar.

>>55274442
felinids

>>55274489
Considering most factions have multiple HQs that give different bonuses. Could see a new AdMech HQ that gives Doctrinas as its buff.

>>55274479
>they're closer to it than the other factions

I think the Imperium have more working prototypes for their tech IRL than the Tau.

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>>55274508
On this one I repainted base white before trying to add the pink. It just doesn't want to stay a coherent color/flow.

>>55274507
>>55274524
One way or another would be good.

I do like Dominus as a HQ, but some more diversity besides him and Cawl would be awesome. Especially in lower-point lists or smaller army-parts.

>>55274508
>painting warhams with acrylics
Just... don't. Don't do that. Stop.

>>55274512
>the felinids live on carlos mcconnel
riveting

>>55274566
>stop using acrylics
>citadel paint is acrylics

u wot m8

>>55274563
Dominus is fine as one of the HQs but when you're trying to fill out a Battalion with a second HQ slot we could really, really use a cheaper secondary.

>>55274434
The first tau codex from 3rd edition mentions the manta missile destroyer being their equivalent to imperial titans and ork gargants. IA3 expands on that, and added in the railgun-armed tigershark.

...then GW released the riptide

>>55274188
It was supposedly something outside of the Empire, not non-Tau
So something Enclaves is plausible. Need sprue pieces for Enclave stuff

>>55274588
Not that kind. You know what I fucking meant. Read his post.

>>55274386

Well I had Space Marines and now I'm doing DG

Primaris suck and not for the size difference, they look shittier generic sci-fi to me instead of proper40k, and they're just monopose and bland as fuck.

Space Marines had the advantage of tremendous customization with bits.

>>55274528

railguns prototypes are a thing
bolters and lasguns not so much, weaponized lasers still isn't doing that great

>>55274637
>they look shittier generic sci-fi to me
Fuck yes. It's as if they made them to chase Infinity.
Same with this focus on named character - looks almost like they are chasing Warmahordes.
Fuck no, thanks.

>>55274442
The Hrud. Read their 1d4chan page

>>55274660
We've got weaponized lasers already being used standard in the field, they're just not the sci-fi PEW PEW ZAP kind.

>>55274676
we arent allowed to use 1d4chan for anything because reasons. how dare you. kill yourself.

>>55274677
Partly because of lasers not being realistically represented in most fiction most likely.

>>55274680
>butthurt 1d4chan contributor

>>55274680
What are you talking about?

>>55274680
1d4chan only has the meme version of 40k.

>>55274442
Umbra.

>>55274388
#RememberShadowbrink
#ChaosDaemonLivesMatter
#TyranidBullies
>t.Carnac

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Ĥow would you guys achieve this white armor? Is it just an off white color with copious ammounts of agrax earthshade?

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>>55274736
Forgot pic.

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>>55274388
>>55274743
Next time Carnac starts shitting up a thread I'm just going to post variations of this image over and over until he fucks off.

How can his autism even compete.

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What would Commissar Kilmister do?

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>>55274743
>>55274388
>NPCs get BTFO by Ka'Bandha
>W-We're w-winning!

Lmao

>>55274781
Immediately fall to Slaanesh and get declared a Daemon Prince.

>>55274785
Hi Carnac

>>55274785
>it took a massive blood crusade plus unprecedented warp storm plus a Primarch and his entire Primaris Marine Crusade plus Legion-strength Blood Angels with every successor Chapter to beat one single tendril of one Hive Fleet
>thinking Chaos has a fucking chance now that GW has explicitly stated Tyranids have the power to beat Chaos all by themselves
Hahahaha stay mad

>>55274769
I'd say ushabti+aggrax

>>55274785
>chaos daemon wins a single time in a sideshow battle on a moon while most of the nids are fighting space marines
>chaoscuck clings to this victory like his life depends on it

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I bought a Gargantuan Squiggoth, 2 regular Squiggoths, a Kill Blasta, and 2 Supa Kannons, all recast

Am I the WAAC /tg/? I bought them to cap off the ten thousand plus points of Orks I have ;-;

>>55274869
No, Anon, you're not.

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>>55274769
That mini actually looks likes it's been "dipped" with polyurethane stain rather than painted with a wash.

>>55274386
Ive owned every generation of plague marines and the current (4th ed) ones were acceptable when they came out. I bought the basic box and the limited print plague marine havoc box back in the day and everytime they updated the tac squad it struck home how antiquated the chaos line is.

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>>55274852
>>55274829
>>55274807

Lmao, even NPC skulls serve the Gods.

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>>55274829
What? The Blood Crusade wasn't anywhere Baal. In fact, the Great Rift is many many light years away and whatever took the Tyranids did nothing to harm the planets of the Baal system and nearby celestial objects. So the only logical conclusion is that the Tyranid somehow fucked up. My speculation is that the Tyranids saw the birth of the Great Rift and then travel towards it before plunging inside.

>>55274388
Now how has it BTFO me when I always said that the lore says that Chaos is the greatest fluff? Fluff always had bits that say their factions can do stuff like picture related. What you quoted is not something new and you are trying to strawman.

>>55274911
>Necrons don't have skulls
Troll-zyn strikes again

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>>55274911
Lmao, wow, it took them a year to get 8000 skulls, the nids grow 80,000,000 bugs in like a couple of days, they probably didn't even notice

No wonder Nids will eventually win

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>>55274929
Here is the map. The Great Rift is nowhere near Baal. The only clue to what happened to the Tyranids is Ka'pandaman's symbol of a moon and I think it's a red herring. Trillions of Tyranids couldn't disappear like that unless the Hivemind miscalculated.

>>55274442
Interex (technically a multi-racial empire, but whatever)

>>55274508
>So because there's no WIP thread
Wait for the WIP thread. Half the replies in here are going to be shitposts. Judging by the photo, you need to use a softer brush. Try doing 2-3 thin layers instead of 1 thick layer.

>>55274561
Also don't leave your brushes in water.

>>55274769
Prime white, base light grey, highlight white, wash, wash, re-highlight, wash.

>>55274936
Actually, Necron heads count as skulls. Bloodletters destroyed a Necron force and then moved and pilled thousand of Necrons in their conquered tomb world.

>>55274907
As someone who loved the 2nd Ed. Plague Marines I found the 4th Ed. Ones loathesome.

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>>55274929

>>55274957
With the power to overcome even Chaos

>>55274950
>>55274957
Continued....

1: The Great Rift

>Just when you thought the Imperium couldn’t get any darker, Abaddon – and the birth of another Aeldari deity, and Magnus tearing whole planets out of the warp, and loads of other reality-ripping events – go and split the whole galaxy down the middle! The fall of Cadia was only one of the triggers in a chain reaction tearing reality apart at the seams and threatening to send the galaxy as we know it spiralling into the maw of the Chaos Gods.

Nope, Number one on the list is Chaos.

And the "Devastation of Baal" novel says that Chaos is the far greater threat than the Nids. Destroying all of reality > eating stuff.

>>55273860
Elysians are because of the relatively cheap Deepstrike, and the Grenadespam order. Malefic Lords because lollecheap smitespam.

>>55274974
Necrodermis melts if it cannot teleport after dying (ref. 6e codex).

CSM are too stupid to know the difference between skull and head, so touche.

>>55274561
It's hard to tell but did you use a primer to begin with? Because that's the whole point of a primer, to help paint stick.

A retarder medium might help too, it's supposed to increase the working time of the paints, the one i have is almost gell like so might help flow. But then again, some paints just suck too, and short of an airbrush, won't go on well.

>>55275033
That's the number one catastrophe.

Note it's an actual event.

Tyranids made number 4 just by showing up. Literally by existing they are a top 5 catastrophe.

How can Chaoscucks even compete lol

>>55275014
>>55275030
The Necrons also have the power to overcome Chaos as stated in their codex and the past rulebook. Doesn't mean will though. You are not bringing anything new. And even in the list you are fourth rate.

>>55275058
>4th place just for existing
Ahahahaha

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>>55275033
if the tyranids consume all life in the galaxy chaos will have nothing to empower them,
so in the long war tyranids will win

>>55275058
So Chaos are weaker than Tyranids AND Necrons. Interesting.

>>55274911
Man I'm glad I decided to play a race so irrelevant I can't even read a piece of lore without Chaos or Imperials shitting and pissing into it

>>55275046
WRONG. Necron phase devices have malfunctioned before rendering the Necron body unable to teleport. For examples, one of the deathwatch banners have the skulls of several Necron Overlords and an Ork warboss wears the the head of a Necron lord as a mask.

Necron heads are shaped as a skulls. They count.

>>55275054
>That's the number one catastrophe.


Which is the most threatening thing in the galaxy and is in a course to drag all of reality screaming to the Warp.

>>55275091
The Necrons also consider Tyranids the greatest threat to existence. So if one of the top 2 races that can beat Chaos considers Nids the greater threat that pretty much settles it.

Carnac on suicide watch.

>>55274911
>8000 skulls over a year
Like an atom of water being taken from the ocean

>>55275014
> GW press conference 2017

GW: "I´m sure you noticed our hints, regarding the tyranids. Sadly, we made them too powerfull, and so, they will drain the galaxy from all life and then move on. Too make it short: 40k is over. Questions?."

Reporter: "No hope? What if..."

GW: "No, sorry. We will shut down business in a week or two. There´s nothing we can do about it. Simply too powerfull...." *sighs*

>>55275091
How the fuck did you take that from my post? Quit throwing words in my mouth.

Nope, Chaos wouldn't be labelled as the GREATEST THREAT if it was weaker.

>>55275089
Wrong. Chaos's objective is the annihilation of all life in the galaxy.

>>55275120
>The Necrons also consider Tyranids the greatest threat to existence.

Bullshit. The Silent King Why do you lie like this when we have the lore? Only the Silent King sees the Tyranids as a threat but not to the galaxy or the Necrons since the Necrons will survive the coming of the Tyranids. He sees them as a threat to the Necron apotheosis back to flesh.

So far the Necrons have made little contributions in the war against the Tyranids as if the Necrobs as a whole don't give a fuck.

>>55274229
Yeah, but we don't know what the stability is on hover tech. Railguns still have recoil, and if "scifi levitation magneto gravbubbles" are "floaty," a big enough gun would cause the platform to fly backwards/downwards, if not catastrophically, then enough to fuck up the shot. Legs can absorb shock and add stability, which is why certain trucks, cameras, and guns have them.

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Fuck. RIP thread.

I guess I'll post Sisters.

>CHAOS REQUIRES LIFE BRUH
>In "Hand of Darkness" by Gav Thorpe Nurgle was using the HoD to create a plague capable of exterminating all life in the galaxy

Really makes you think.

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C-could Orks maybe win the Galaxy.....

>It's a anons purposely start arguements with carnac episode
Come on guys, don't feed the trolls. Just ignore and hide.

>>55275153
>Chaos's objective is the annihilation of all life in the galaxy
and lead to their own demise? yeah no Chaos have what they wanted (like orks) a constant universe in complete and utter chaos, with Big E and his plan in ruins humanity is fucked in its eternal cycle of chaos.
why would the gods that feed of humans emotions want their source of power dead? they wouldnt it aint malal kind of shit

>>55275223
Orks already won though

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>>55275223
NO. As the Aledari said in the Beast series, the Krorks are always destined lose. However, the Orks have a original purpose that they might fulfil someday.

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HEY CARNAC.
I MADE THIS JUST FOR YOU
<3<3<3<3<3<3
:P

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>>55275237
Why do you try to dispute things easily provable by opening a codex or rulebook? The Chaos Gods are immortal in the Warp. Whatever happens in reality will not threat their existences. Chaos will not stop until the multiverse is consumed whole.

>>55275275
Stick Belakor getting killed by rocks in there too.

>>55275228
What do you have against fun?

>>55275251
No, they didn't. Ghaz and the Ork Gods say that the Orks are mucking around. That the Orks have a birthright to conquer the galaxy.

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>>55275253
O-oh thanks Carnac

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>NPCs think they matter

Sad.

>>55275332
>purcheses

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>>55275275
>But the tyranid swarm numbers in the trillions, and they are not the only danger to the Chapter’s future. As the galaxy slides toward a terrifying new era, events far away threaten to unleash a greater evil. A further enemy must also be overcome, that of the Black Rage that lurks in the souls of all Sanguinius’s bloodline.


>far away threaten to unleash a greater evil
>unleash a greater evil
>a greater evil
>greater evil

Sorry. You the Tyranids will always be third rate.

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Do you guys like my Tattoo?

>>55275283
is this from the new codex?
so what the fuck was Big Es plan to take humanity into the webway to starve out chaos if they wont die out

>>55275361
What was so special about 2013-15 for you, out of interest?

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>>55275199

Only the most qt Sisters.

>>55275361
Girl (male)?

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>>55275361

>>55275361
Pasty white skin.
No back musculature
Imperial tattoo (SO ORIGINAL)
GINGER!

Keep it hidden from Antifa/10

And get a tan.

>>55275361
Glorious. now you should hit the Iron Den and grow a strong back to display that tattoo upon

>>55275046
>CSM are too stupid to know the difference between skull and head, so touche.

During GW's livestream trying to show off 8th, they pit some Khorne Daemonkin against Tau. KDK scores first blood by killing a unit of....drones. The commentators and views make some cheeky memes about a bloodletter offering up a drone "skull" to Khorne.

>>55275361
Acceptable, should not prevent you from getting a white collar job.

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>>55275361
cool but be prepared to be called a nazi

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>>55275362
You could just read MoM and read it straight from the Emperor's mouth.

His plan is to isolate humanity from Chaos so that they won't use humanity's psychic evolution to (picture related).

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>>55275223
Orks already won. They exist in a perpetual state of win. Everybody else just doesn't understand the game.

>>55275427
Ghaz and the Beast disagree.

>>55275408
What if he IS a nazi, you insensitive prick?!

Genestealer Stratagem:
>3 CP
>You may play this at any point after the first battle round.
>choose a non character infantry model in your opponent's control. That model betrays is a sleeper agent, ready to reveal his treachery. Roll a d6 for every model within 2 inches of that model. Every model that a 3+ was rolled for suffers 1 mortal wound. If a 6 was rolled, that model suffers d3 mortal wounds instead. Remove the model that you choose as a sleeper agent.

You heard it here first.

>>55275444
Wouldn't be surprising after all all white people are racisis

>all this cool Nurgle stuff coming out
>all the 40K-centric Tzeentch stuff besides an extra sprue on the Tzaangors are all Thousand Sons bullshit
Life as a Tzeentch-worshipping Chaos guy is suffering. Kairic Acolytes are only useful for their heads, Tzaangors look not great. WIsh we coulda gotten something else with this.

>>55275445
Conscript counter.

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>>55275375
He lost his virginity during that time in a turkish prison.

>>55275471
It could be worse anon. You could be a slaanesh fag, constantly fearing that your faction is gonna get squatted.

>>55275184
Literally only one Necron showed for Armless' little shindig on Cadia and it was for fun. They're really lazy.

>>55275361
Pretty sure these are supposed to go on your lower back.

>>55275283
So were the Eldar Gods. And M'kar. Until they suddenly weren't anymore.

>>55275502
you could squat me, baby ;)

>>55275502
I suppose. The Tzeentch release just screams "wasted opportunity", though. Seriously, take a look at the Kairic Acolytes. When I think of guys who devote themselves to Tzeentch, I don't think of cardiobunnies with switchblades at a toga party who've watched Eyes Wide Shut too many times. At least we've got Slaneeshmas next year to look forward to.

>>55275503
Necrons suffered greatly by their retconning. Ever since 5th ED, the Necrons were removed from the main storylines and made a background faction. I mean of all the factions the Necrons should know the most of the consequences of the pylons destruction and yet they have no moved a single metal finger to do anything about it.

It's as if GW is either clueless about what to do with the Necrons or simply embarrassed by them.

>>55275520
The Eldar Gods were swallowed by Slaanesh. Yriel saw a a vision of them reemerging after the defeat of Slaanesh.

And M'kar isn't a god.

How good are spore mine generators? I think making an army that focuses on shooting people with spore mine guns and dropping spore mine bombs on people could be fun.

>>55275471
Speaking of Nurgle, should I wait until the kits come out (I assume that the Poxwalkers kit comes with both the DI ones and the ones in the ETB box, and so do the Plague Marines?) or just pick up what's available now?

>>55275567
You might as well get the Nurgle Side of DI and start painting. That should last you while you wait for the full kits to come out.

Can the Swarmlord beat Girlyman in the lore and TT?

>>55275622
No, and No. NPCs can't beat PCs

>>55275622
No.

>>55273824
Klan rules
Psyker character
Return of Wazdakka
Return of Nazdreg (not likely though, Badrukk stole his entire concept, from clan to wargear.)

What are an ok amount of Conscripts and Scions to take in a 2k game? We have some open play games coming up and I don't want to be called a WAACfag with my unpainted IG army.

>>55275549
Necrons are forgotten and considered boring by a lot of people
Sucks to be a fan of them

>>55275622
On the tabletop I'm not sure, but I suspect it's a "charger wins" situation.
In lore probably not, because Primarchs are never allowed to lose duels to anyone not snowflake enough, which literally just means other Primarchs.
Day of the Scorpion when?

In either case, throwing a big pile of Genestealers at him would be a better option. Primarchs are very squishy for their supposed power level in lore since bolters can kill them, so they'd flay Guilliman pretty quickly considering he only has two arms and two legs to hold off the horde. In tabletop, obvious rending buttrape is obvious.

>>55275596
What would even be the difference? GW have gone full monopose, so the assemblies might only be slightly different.

How would people feel if Farsight Enclaves got a few unique units? Namely, melee suits.
Would people be happy about Tau armies having more options including meeting people in combat. Or annoyed by it existing (for whatever reason)

>>55275669
Klan Rules are confirmed, Anon.

>>55275725
Because Tau need their only weakness to cease to exist so they can finally go back to curb stomping the rest of the armies. Yeah no, this is a horrible idea.

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Fuck you, I like the tau

>>55275560
Eldar gods are dead, and Ynnead exists for killing Slaanesh.

Chaos "gods" are literally big daemons, there's no fundamental difference.

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>>55274254
>>55274346
>>55274373

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>>55275725
>Giving the separatist more attention

>>55275749
Me too, Anon.

>>55275725
Both.

I would be fine with it if they made the melee units not have the Tau faction keyword (but have the Enclave keyword), so they couldn't join regular tau. And maybe did the same in reverse to some tau shooty units, so those units couldn't join farsight enclaves.

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>>55275677
Just paint them, faggot.
You'll be labeled a WAACfag for playing guard anyway.
The best you can do is to actually paint your army and be really polite and friendly during games so that they feel bad about calling you a WAACfag because their own sorry armies are unpainted shit.

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>no -1 to hit once in a blue moon
>shitty bolters shoot twice in closer range

Wow its fucking nothing.

Sucks when people like Alpha Legion, Black Legion and Night Lords have better legion tactics than you.

>>55275745

>No longer a game of keepaway, can you make it yes/no?
>Not an improvement

>>55275745
I thought tau weren't even that good in this edition?

>>55275777
Fuck off Nurgle, you don't get to be OP.

>>55275758
>Eldar gods are dead,

Not really. They are in Slaanesh's belly. If they are dead, then they wouldn't reemerge after Slaanesh's defeat.

>Chaos "gods" are literally big daemons

They are massive vortexes of emotions, dreams, and thought that exist in a timeless realm unlike daemons that are a single thought made manifest. No, a drop of water is not an ocean.

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>>55275777
I think it is going to be great

>>55275777
>777

Nurgle has spoken.

>>55275772
hey im a newfaggot
whats WAAC ?

>>55275722
Because the full kits are cast in far greater numbers of different parts they have more detail, options, and fewer undercuts. This is really obvious on something like the Inceptors, look at their guns and jet cowlings for example, but is present even on something like the Intercessors. Plus, although they are keyed to a single pose the separate pieces of the full kits are far, far easier to use as the basis for conversions or pose changes than the "Easy to Build" versions from DI. You can often just cut the keying and change a pose just like you would with an older kit.

does the icon of despair stack?

>>55275831
Win At Any Cost

Basically powergamers.

>>55275760
>>55275749
There are dozens of us, DOZENS!

>>55275777
t. Clueless idiot

im trying to write a grey knight list but i dont know what im doing

>>55275844
With itself? No. With other leadership debuffs? Yes.

Why hasn't 3D printing put GW out of business?

>>55275855
Explain it then.

Go on.

>>55275874
quality's not good enough.

>>55275725
Unique units: No
Stratagems to represent training vs melee opponents: Yes

>>55275777
>mobile heavy weapon squads (5" ain't nothing, man)
>run and gun lets you cross the table quickly with assault weapons
>have the longest range rapid fire weapons in the entire game (Tau have 15")
I think its pretty damn neat. You already have Disgustingly resilient and T5 on your basic troops, you shit out mortal wounds like diarrhea, and now your Heavy weapons can move, you can mix heavy guns and CC on your helbrutes, and can put out a shitton of rapid fire shots at range.
Remind me, again, what do AL, BL and NL have?

>>55275777
What is a plasma gun
What is a las hellbrute in an army with no havocs

>>55275741
I play Orks, I know not to wish for big shit, I just want to be able to have fun and win a fight with the units I like.

>>55275874

Because current 3D printing looks like play dough, It won't be allowed to be played in a FLGS, It still requires a lot of resources and a 3D printer to create minis and because you're so, so stupid.

>>55275874
No, but it will significantly reduce their profits until they are forced to innovate.

>>55275884
Not yet.

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Hello fellow 40k-ers, do you happen to have a pdf or epub of Black Legion by ADB? Thanks in advance

>>55275874
Quality is shit.

Also GW will just switch to selling files.

>>55275924
>and because you're so, so stupid
bit rude m8

>>55275932
http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/featured/black-legion-ebook.html

>>55275857
Get Draigo.

Get Paladins.

Get a Grandmaster in baby carrier (As your warlord so you can get the reroll charges warlord trait)

Get Stormravens

Get Doomglaive Dreadnaughts

>>55275924
My friend hasn't had any problems using his 3D printed Tau Drone models in our FLGS, but that's b/c he's low key about it and they are painted, so as not to draw attention to the fact that they're printed.
The FLGS issue will vary from store to store. Now GW stores, those I expect would ban them, for good reason.

>>55275914
Everyone has plasma guns nigger.

And lascannon hellbrutes are massive range, if you need to move to hit, you're doing it wrong. And if you wanna move up to melee,-1 to hit is negligible. I'd rather be an army like Alpha Legion which can take Obliterators or Havocs.

>>55275932
Why yes, I have it.

>>55275961
Local Grognard at my LGS 3d printed some objective markers and manager was not happy about it.

>>55275962
Then play them. You are worse then the guy in here saying armies are bland and samey.

Can't find the wip thread, so I'll ask it here. How do I paint fur? Currently putting together a set of thunderwolf cav and I have no idea.

>>55275975
My LGS has a 3d printer behind the counter and makes bases and terrain prices. He even made a Gul'dan model for a dnd campaign. It's pretty cool.

>>55275222
>Nurgle was using the HoD to create a plague capable of exterminating all life in the galaxy

Nurgle just wanted to destroy Tzeentch.

>The galaxy can't change if you kill off all life.

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>people this butthurt that Chaos is the best and most loved faction by GW

God damn it feels good to be a traitor. I can't wait till all the whiners are put down again when Chaos crushes everything in 40k's end of times and the Tyranids probably turn to Chaos like the Skaven did.

So not tired of WINNING

>>55275962
A plasma gun that shoots twice at 18" on a T5 3+, BS 3+ FnP platform?
Is all made to make the army play more as in 3rd, that was according to the fluff.
being tough as fuck with a little edge on short range engagement.
Mortal wounds and melee to weaken/finish off in base of the situation.
Synergy stacking multiple buffs/debuffs on walkers.
Is kinda (KINDA) a 40k Cryx.

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>>55275899
That'd be funny

>>55275361
Take a shower, your hair is greasy.

>>55275393
God that's great. Confirm CSM for tards

>>55275880
Plasma guns are Rapid Fire and Plague Marines are all about firefights. 3 Plasma Guns per five dudes in Plague Marines. An extra 6" of optimal range and doubled firepower is huge. 12" means you're almost guaranteed to be chargable next turn. 18", not so much. Plus Move and Fire Heavy turns Helbrutes into very respectable firing platforms.

>>55275999
>basic
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-EIKHXgymJY

>advanced
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YHGBMzDeA8s

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>>55275857
Paladins are the shit.
Strikes are for filling detatchements for Command points.
Voldus is the best HQ.
Razorbacks are cheap, durable and have dakka.
Purgation Squads are cheap as fuck if you use psilencers, which are pretty sweet.
Support Character like Apothecary and Ancients are very good force multipliers.
Falchions>Halberds>Swords, Staves are max 1 per unit for dat sweet invuln, stack with sanctuary for a 3++ in combat on paladins.
Land Raiders are good again, but realistically too expensive for our already elite army. I use one anyway, though. CRUSADER FTW.
Dreads with Lasmissle and Astral aim.
Dreadknights, specifically GM Dreadknights are really fucking good, but only faggots and weak ass bitches use dreadknights. Real men dont need that pussy crap.
Focus on force multipliers, since our guys our so expensive and powers and stratagems can only be cast once. 10 man paladin unit with hammerhand, sanctuary an apothecary and a warding stave for a 3++ charging the enemy ? yes. GM Dreadknight with Psycannon and Psilencer with Psyactive Stratagem? Sure, your a faggot, but its breddy damn gud. 10 Strikes teleport into rapid fire with psykbolt ammo stratagem for 40 S5 AP-1 Shots, maybe rerolling ones due to a character? Carnage.
Theres alot of good stuff in the codex, learn to use it wisely.

>>55276026
>That face
Genestealer.

Novel recommendations?
Hopefully involving Mechanicus, Tau, Imperial Guard, Space Hulk life, or mundane Imperial Citizen living? I loved reading AGP and want more like it.

>>55276046
>taking plasma guns on Plague Marines

Nigga why? You got literally 0 reroll 1s in your army.

>>55276071
Or alcoholic mother.

>>55276017
>Chaos is the best and most loved faction by GW
Chaos is the clear second but are you telling me with a straight face that GW doesn't give space marines more love?

>>55276076
s7 ap-1 2 shots at 18" isn't good enough for you?

>>55276076
Yeah, but 6 plasma shots from 5 dudes at 18" is nothing to sniff at. And you don't have to overcharge, it's still a damn good gun in normal mode.

>>55276026
No named ones. Feel free to make your own.

If you made me pick an official chapter who it would make sense to hate Chads though, I'd say Red Scorpions.

>>55275975
>>55276001
I don't get why the manager would be unhappy about it, except if he had objective markers for sale at the store. But even still, it's such a minute thing that it's not hugely impacting his margins.

>>55275677
>open play
Conscripts are literally broken when using power level because their points to power scaling is fucked up in the index. Just keep that in mind

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What is this style of painting called? /40kg/ loves it for DG but it looks like shit to me.

Looks like thick paint that a child would do.

>>55276119
I meant not campaign, not tournament. Just come and play. I only play points.

>>55276076
I find amusing the assumption that you should always overcharge.

>>55276026
There's some suggestion the space wolves may not be very accepting of primaris marines made with russ's geneseed.

>>55276073
>Tau
Look up Phil Kelly books

>Imperial Guard
I think Gaunt's Ghosts would be a good contender. IG and a bit of civilian life from what I've heard, also a popular series

>>55276108
>13 points
>for 1 damage

That's the problem with Plasma, people see the good statline but forget it does as much damage as a lasgun.

>>55276139
Then why take Plasma guns and not Blight Launchers?

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>>55276026
I imagine Minotaurs would be a bit pissed about them
As their bosses got fired because of their primogenitor and probably won't be getting any anytime soon.

>>55276136
>What is this style of painting called?
Gritty and weathered? Everyone has their preference between realistic and cartoony. This is the former.

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>>55275777
>my whole army ignores damage on a 5+, ignores moving and shooting, and has 18" rapid fire as well has shitting out tons of mortal wounds
>why are other legions so much better even though we have access to the same strategems, powers, and relics as well as our own powers, strategems, and relics?
>WAAAHHHH WHY DO WE SUCK SO MUCH??!

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>>55276086
Last I checked Chaos had 2 Primarchs and Space Marines with better rules than the normie marines.

>>55276151
>Then why take Plasma guns and not Blight Launchers?
You wound T6 with a 3+.
Also, you CAN overcharge when things go crazy. Is just risky to spam even if you have FnP.

>>55276157
>and probably won't be getting any anytime soon.

On the contrary! If Guilliman feels any hate towards them he could simply give them new Primaris recruits and deploy the old guard into suicide missions, the whole chapter would be swiftly cleansed of any bad apples as they are all replaced with Primaris marines.

how isn't the fall of the eldar the biggest catastrophe? the eye of terror > great rift

>>55276157
Only a few High Lords got replaced.

>>55276199
Didn't that cause the age of strife too?

>>55276076
"Nigga" it's pretty likely Mortarion will let you. See Magnus vs. Ahriman for example.

>>55276151
>as much damage as a lasgun
...per unsaved wound. But, a plasma gun will inflict a much greater proportion of unsaved wounds than a lasgun. Remember, some targets can't realistically be killed by lasguns over the course of a 6-turn game.

>>55276185
You get no save at all with Plasma gun fails, you just die. Which means its super wasted on expensive and tough Plague Marines.

>>55276207
>you need to spend 480 points to reroll 1s

Or I don't buy shitty plasma guns.

>>55276145
That's about their Primaris successor chapter. Not the Primaris of the Space Wolves themselves.

>>55276233
Yes, it makes more unsaved wounds than a lasgun but it costs 13 points.

Plasma Gun is basically shit unless you have reliable reroll 1s which DG don't have.

>>55276234
This guy thinks FnP is a save.
I think we found why he's such shit, he doesn't play the game.

>>55276196
That's fucking depressing

>>55276234
You don't bring Mortarion to re-roll plasma. You bring Mortarion to bring motherfucking Mortarion.

>>55275777
There's a Nurgle spell for -1 to hit and a strategem to become basically immune to shooting for a turn.

You're dumb.

>>55276255
Grimdark, Anon.

>>55276247
It's not FNP, and there's no mortal wounds to ignore, you remove the model if you roll a 1.
Splat gone.

>>55275818
>After Slaanesh's defeat
A)That's according to some random vision I have yet to see a source for
B) You're acknowledging Slaanesh can be killed

>No, a drop of water is not an ocean.
So literally they're the same thing, just bigger and even more stupid and one-dimensional. Should make tasty snacks for the Hive Mind when the Tyranids eat the galaxy.

>>55276234
>>55276246
Yes anon, the entire 40k community is wrong about this, it's just you who's cleverer than everybody else that plays the game. Plasma guns are indeed shit and you should just take cheaper lasguns instead, because everything dies to lasguns now.
You stupid twat.

>>55276247
Not him, but he's right about that. The wording states "the model is slain", so doesnt take any wounds, thus disgustingly resilient isnt triggered.
He's still being a faggot tho, I can only imagine what my GKs could do with 18" Rapid Fire and army wide Relentless.

>>55276247
He's correct, you are wrong. Most plasma, including those of Plague Marines, do not inflict wound of any kind to be negated with disgustingly resilient. They simple slay the bearer.

plasma guns are the best special weapons

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>>55276269
>>55276290
>>55276291

You are correct. I am retarded. I play Plasma tanks and 1 wound plasma models so it's the same to me. Please take this picture as reparations.

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>>55276234

>480pts
Nigger what? You get Princes and Lords for rerolling 1s and sorcerers for prescience

>>55276312
Is that (you)?

>>55276073
AGP is pretty unique, but Ciaphas Cain has plenty of most of that.
If you want a little more grand adventure Forge of Mars was also very good despite shoehorning in Black Templars, Eldar and Guard into the book and taking all the screentime as usual. Gives us a good look at the significant capabilities of the Mechanicus outside of just making more Guard tanks, some fuckawesome Magi and DarkMech and the two Cogbros Primus that were Archmagos Kotov and Secutor Dahan.
Might not really be the silly tone that Cain and AGP have, though.

>>55276333
No, that is the autists trap BF from I think MWG

>>55276266
>-1 to hit spell?

Not reliable. Enjoy your perils. Or enemy stratagem. Or their deny.

>'immune shooting statagem'?
Quick, name one infantry unit from DG that's a big threat where this is worth using on.

Answer: its mostly melee guys. Melee guys will see next to no benefit from this. Your opponent is not gonna care about your 7 bolter marines in the back. They will just destroy your Mortarion or tanks or whatever.

>>55276281
I've said it, Plasma Guns can be alright. Hellblasters have it good since they have more range and -1ap, plus easy ways to reroll 1s.

None of that applies to DG though.

>>55276325
>lords
No Nurgle model.

>princes
They are melee beasts. You want them babysitting some shitty plasma units?

>480pts
Going by Magnus and working his points backwards, gives you around 20pts pwer power level, making Mortarion 480pts.

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>>55276076
We still got Chaos Lord you tard. GW confimed it in their article today

>>55276325
>No Obliterators
>No Havocs

>>55276312
Of all the traps, trannies and androgynous turbosluts this thread has seen over past couple months this one is by far the worst.

>>55276344
#traplivesmatter

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>When even the 40k page laughs at Iron Hands
Most cucked confirmed, plus. Ferrrus never ever returning

>>55276358
#trapholesmatter

>>55276076
I dunno, the article that literally says that we keep Chaos Lords disagrees with that.

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>>55276017
>Best and most loved
You rang, Chaoscuck?

>>55276370
Good, Ferrus died because he was weak and let his emotions control him.

>>55276344
Not a trao you dumbshit

>>55276349
>>lords
>No Nurgle model.
Wait what?
Fucking convert one you faggot.

>>55276270
>A)That's according to some random vision I have yet to see a source for

Iyanden supplement and Valedor. Tyranidsfags should read stuff other than wiki pages.

>B) You're acknowledging Slaanesh can be killed

Put back to sleep more likely. Like in AoS. You can remove the head but you can do nothing to the body.

>So literally they're the same thing

Nope, made of the same thing but different. A whole order different.

>just bigger and even more stupid and one-dimensional.

No. But your butthurt is showing.

>Should make tasty snacks for the Hive Mind when the Tyranids eat the galaxy.

Hivemind was never shown to eat warp entities.

Also the hivemind was casually brushed aside by Slaanesh in Valedor and was burned to flight by the Light of the Golden Throne in "Shadow of Leviathan".

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I posted this on my LGS 40k page and the FWDF is up in arms. I didn't even say anything about bannings. What cucks.

>>55276407
>>55276355
>>55276325
You guys realise this is the list from the index and not from the deathguard book right?

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>>55276312
AAARRGH
THIS MUST BE REVENGE
WHY ANON
WE WERE ONLY TRYING TO HELP YOU
MY FUCKING EYES

>>55276349
>>lords
>No Nurgle model.
What do you even mean? You won't field something without an official model?

>>55276349
So you're just autistic then. Ok. I'm bored, pooping at work so I'll play along for awhile.

>>lords
>No Nurgle model
There doesn't have to be a Nurgle model, retard. It had the <Mark> and <Legion> rules in its entry.

>>princes
>They are melee beasts. You want them babysitting some shitty plasma units?
Says the one complaining about having to spend 480pts on Morty for rerolls.

>>55276355
They're obviously going to be getting some for of Havoc along with Terminators. Probably some retarded name like Virulent Plaguespewer Deathgunners.

Why are Chaos players so utterly retarded

>>55276428
If you have banned supreme commands its fine.

Its only when 10+ show up you need to worry.

>>55276431
You realise that the articles have confirmed both DPs and Chaos Lords for the DG right?
Or were you too busy thinking of how to bait /40kg/?

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>>55276416
Also Yriel injured the Hivemind.

>Yriel plunged his spear deep into the rearing serpent. It keened terribly, and Yriel salivated as his weapon drank. Since the day he had lost his eye due to the spear feasting on the limitless hive mind, he had managed to control its fell power and its obscene appetites, but at this final pass he no longer had the strength, and the spear’s murderous soul overwhelmed him. He could not stop it feeding, drawing upon the infinity of spirit the Great Devourer possessed. Yriel felt the hive mind, heard it howl. It thrashed about, and Yriel was battered by its anger. Its thoughts were utterly, unimaginably alien. But one thing came through strong and loud. Hatred, hatred for this creature that had for the first time in untold aeons wounded it.

-Valedor

There are like 6 weapons out there the legendary Crone Swords that are sisters to Yriel's spear. That means the Eldar have melee weapons capable of harming the Hivemind.

This proves the weakness of the Hivemind. Name me a single instance of a Warp God getting personally hurt by a mortal weapon?

>>55276452
Edgy Autism.

>>55276473
I mean, all 5 of them together can kill Slaanesh, so...

>>55276428
Its kinda fluffy, but i would have preferred shit HQ choices and the res of eh list to not be hot garbage. It's also part;y responsible for my local scene putting in a 400pt hard cap on Forge World.

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>>55276026
Imperial Fists are probably not great seeing as Gumbawam's back and after the whole splitting the legions thing they had a bit of a falling out. Templars would probably be salty because muh purity, Dark Angels would probably not want any untested marines in their secret club and the chapters with less stable gene seed (BA, SW) are bound to see some freaky mutations.

The chapter I play, Iron Knights, are on a penitent crusade, so they wouldn't receive them anyway.

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>>55276431

You do realize that GW said that everything from that list plus a bunch of new stuff is going to be in the Codex, right?

>>55276455
Someone tried to tell me I wasnt allowed to play a Supreme Command against him, I told him I would literally do just that and bring 2 extra units and call my list complete, he bitched the entire game and lost by a single roll then bitched some more. It was really stupid, if you cant kill one unit of Necron warriors and lychguard and fucking 8 various Necron HQ's with 1000 points worth of Space Marines then that is your fault for being shit and letting Trazyn dish out Mortal wounds on everything in melee because Girlyman got fucked twice by 4 warscythes and the Empathic Obliterator

>>55276492
5 of them are suppose to be create the beacon to awaken Ynnead. They aren't meant to kill Slaanesh.

>>55276431
What a retard you are, Anon.

>>55276523
And what will Ynnead do? Kill Slaanesh. Ergo the swords will kill Slaanesh.