So what would happen if the Hive from Destiny encroached upon

>>55263895

For those of us not familiar with Destiny, what makes the Hive special? What are some of their accomplishments, and what defines them as a faction?

>>55263970
they're the bad guys

>>55263982
>the bad guys
>in a setting which literally all the factions are varying flavors of 'bad guy' (even Guilliman and his 'muh Imperium')

You're gonna have to be more specific then that mate.

>>55263970
they do vague bad things like the steal (which is bad) the light (which is good maybe)

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>>55263970
I shall just post some stuff from the Wikipedia itself.
>The Hive are an "impossibly ancient" race born from a pact with the Worm Gods. Hive structures delve deep into wherever they lay claim to, unheeding of the damage done in the process, crafting linked caverns and gothicesque columns; these underground spaces resemble a dungeon recently pulled up after an extended period underwater. They are able to manipulate the physical world in ways humanity can only begin to imagine, and have witnessed the Darkness consume countless worlds in the past.

>The Hive are not an enemy military so much as rising force. They base their entire existence around the extermination of other forms of life, especially those that follow the way of Light and the Traveler, and approach their task with religious fervor. To the Hive, killing and conquest are not merely acts of war, but of worship.

Destiny races are shit and uninspired even by 40k standards. Also power wise Imperium would deal with them quite easily

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>>55264012
Since there is just *so* much stuff about these guys, I shall only be posting the relevant parts.
>Crota's spawn will snuff out the worlds of Light, and Oryx's coming shall be unfettered."
>—Osiris

>The Hive have a complex religious system based around profane rituals and the worship of a pantheon of dark gods. These gods exist on "a higher plane of misery" and are always hungry for the suffering of others. The Hive Gods live in the Ascendant realm, locked outside of physical reality, not unlike the Vex realms locked out of time. These realms house the god's Oversoul, which protects them from permanent death should their bodies be destroyed. The Hive have sacrificial altars, which Warlocks have attempted to study to no avail. Sacrifice plays an important part in the Hive religion, as after the weakening of Crota's army, the Hive attempted direct contact with Oryx by sacrificing two Forsaken Ogres. They also sacrifice lesser Hive souls in order to become Ascendant.

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>>55263895
Aren't the Hive Tyranids + Necrons that use magic?

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>>55264075
>The god-knight Crota is one of the youngest Hive deities. He and his broods proceed the coming of Oryx when they invade worlds. Oryx is Crota's father and the central figure of their religion as well as the God-King of the Hive; through his shrines he maintains contact with his force spread across the universe. Other deities include the greater Worm Gods Eir, Ur, Xol, and Yul. Like Crota and Oryx, they have disciples named after them.[62] A fifth god, named Akka, is recorded in the Books of Sorrow and it is from his remains that the Dreadnaught is built. Apart from a glyph-based writing system, the Hive hold a special holiday called Eversion Day, which celebrates the creation of the Taken King's Dreadnaught by turning things inside-out in the same way Oryx merged his Ascendant realm with his ship.

>>55264075

Huh. Honestly, they sound like they come from another galaxy and have their own Chaos God(s?) completely unrelated to the 4 we know. Clearly still operating on Chaos god logic, just a different pantheon.

I wonder how Khorne and the boys would react to finding out that a new band, presumably just as strong as they are, is starting to muscle in on their turf. 40ks Chaos gods fight each other as much as anyone else, a pantheon of Chaos Gods from another galaxy that are all on the same side could be a real problem for them.

>>55263895
Tau: Would talk nice and try to convert to blueberry communism.
Imperium: Exterminatus
Eldar: Divert them into human or Ork worlds cause they are dicks.
Dark Eldar: Kill, Rape, capture as slaves
Orks: Fightin and Crumpin
Necrons: Either wipe them out (or collect them if you are Trazyn)
Khorne: Drain their blood, collect their skulls
Tzeetch: Use them as pawns and enjoy dicking them around.
Nurgle: Show them the love of Papa Nurgle and kill them for rejecting it (unless it's The Purge who's goals of exterminating life is similar, in which they'd either kill them or seek to use them as Biological weapons)
Slaanesh: Same as Dark Eldar
Chaos Undivided: use to sacrifice to Gods, and fight for personal glory.
Tyranids: Eat them.

Pretty much how the 40K factions deal with all the other factions.

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>>55264100
At their most basic, I suppose you couldon't call them that. But they are also rather metaphysical, and abstract when you start digging deeper however.
>The Hive have great hatred for the Light, and to them, the eternal struggle between light and dark is not only a war, it is a crusade; all Light must be devoured so Darkness can reclaim the universe. They have even attempted to attack the Traveler directly, through a ritual in which they drained its light through a fragment that they captured in the Chamber of Night.

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>>55264185
And here is how their "Sword Logic" works.
>Sword-Logic
>"Ah, Oryx, how do we explain it to them? The world is not built on the laws they love [...] but in the cold hard self-verifying truth of that one ultimate arbiter, the only judge, the power that is its own metric and its own source—existence, at any cost. Strip away the lies and truces and delaying tactics they call ‘civilization’ and this is what remains, this beautiful shape."
>—The Darkness

>The Hive religion is not based on any sort of conventional morality; in fact, they see morality and the "false hope of comfort" as an abomination of the living. Instead, Sword-Logic forms the basis of the Hive's belief system. In short, it can be described as a survival-of-the-fittest (or even a social Darwinist) ideology taken to an incredible extreme. It is not enough to merely defeat enemies, but to utterly annihilate them, and take what's left, feeding the victor. All power must be taken by force, not received as a gift. That is why the Hive's swords are so deadly to Guardians; they create a bridge in which the wielder saps the power of the victim.

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>>55264268
>This also extends to sacrifice, as Hive become ascendant by consuming the souls of lesser Hive. The Hive's lust for power is a direct reflection of their Worm Gods' insatiable hunger for Light, and that the Hive must always be powerful, or else they themselves will be consumed. Even if they wanted to, the Hive can't stop killing or else they will perish. The Sword-Logic determines the right to rule, as anyone who can depose the current King is rightfully the new King of the Hive. Anyone who cannot defend themselves, whether it be a person, or a civilization, does not deserve to live and is fit to be obliterated. This is how the Hive intend to "liberate" the universe from its false hope, and the existence of the Hive themselves is proof enough in their belief.

>>55264135
>presumably just as strong as they are, is starting to muscle in on their turf
Presuming being the keyword here. I'd put them on the level of maybe the old Eldar Gods, and that's being generous.

Honestly?

Khorne, Gork n' Mork would each take turns using the lot of them as punching bags.

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>>55264308
>Presuming being the keyword here. I'd put them on the level of maybe the old Eldar Gods, and that's being generous.
When you have the raw power that can turn a shy, introverted alien girl into a monster capable of turning into species into soulless husks bound to you will, and can grant one the ability to merely SPEAK, and make "two different numbers become equal", you are *far* stronger than the Eldar God's ever were.

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>>55264289
>The Ascendant Realm is ruled in totality by the Sword-Logic; when Crota accidentally allowed the Vex into his father's realm, they learned the Sword-Logic from him and adapted it to their own functions, learning to worship and bootstrap themselves into divinity, striving to become the most powerful beings in the universe. At the time however, they were unable to fully comprehend the role that the worms and the acausal Darkness played. While the Sword-Logic helped the Guardians in defeating Crota when they stole his sword and used it against him, they broke the Sword-Logic when they recovered and uncorrupted the Light found in the Dreadnaught's cellar, and used it against Oryx, then refusing to take up the mantle as the new Taken King.

>>55264075
>>55264012
What is "Light" "Dark" and "Traveler"?
I assume they're proper nouns for a reason

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>>55264389
>What is "Light" "Dark" and "Traveler"?
>I assume they're proper nouns for a reason
You assume correctly Anon. The 'Light' is the paracasual force that grants the Guardians, the sworn defenders of Humanity, the power to u make God's, and to even resist being unwoven from the very fabric of existence. The 'Dark', or rather the 'Darkness', is the cosmic force, and timeless evil that seeks to remake the entire universe into its "perfect, Final shape". It is the very embodiment of utter nihilism, and the raw struggle of all life to endure and survive. The Traveler is the godlike being that granted mankind the ability to use the Light in the first place, and is the sworn enemy of the Darkness and its forces, having been hounded by them across the stars for untold aeons.

>Hive Biology

>Several varieties or "morphs" of Hive exist, each representing different stages of growth. The Hive are an eusocial species; how reproduction exactly works is never explained but the proto-Hive consumed a substance called "mother jelly", similar to bees in order to reproduce, between the age of four and five Fundament years. Wizards are the only fertile females, and are capable of either self-fertilization or being with a mate.
A Hive Thrall.

>Each individual Hive starts out as pupae, much like colonial insects, birthed from cocoons, and swallow a worm whole in order to become symbiotic. These grow into Thrall, and Thrall that survive into maturity become Acolytes. Acolytes who have proven themselves can become Knights, who in turn may become Princes leading their own broods.

>Worm
>"Take into your bodies our children, our newborn larvae. From them you shall obtain eternal life. From them you shall gain power over your own fragile flesh: the power to make of it as you will. And should you find an imperfection in the world, an injustice or an inconvenience — you will have the power to repair it. Let no mere law bind you."—Yul[1]

>The Worms are an ancient, parasitic worm-like species that dwelled deep under the oceans of the gas giant Fundament. They are disciples of the Darkness and draw their god-like power directly from it. It is through a pact with the Worms that the ancestors of the Hive became the Hive and launched their conquest of the whole universe. The Worms are worshipped and revered as the Hive's highest deities, beyond even Oryx, the Taken King and his sisters Savathûn and Xivu Arath. All Hive are infested with a larvae from one of the five Worm Gods, which drives them to feed off constant conquest and destruction lest the Worm grow unsatisfied and consume them instead.[1]

Fascinating. Reminds me a little of the DEldar.

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>>55264386
Now to move onto the Pantheon in full.
>Pantheon
>Gods like Oryx and Crota are capable of being killed in physical reality without truly dying. So long as their souls are preserved in the Ascendant Realm, they can reemerge in the physical realm at a later time. If they are killed in their respective Ascendant Realm, however, their death will be permanent. However, under certain circumstances, Hive gods can be reborn even if killed in the Ascendant plane.

>In descending order of importance, the Gods of the Hive are:

>The Formless One, the power behind the Hive Gods

>The Worm Gods, who give the Hive their immortality in exchange for a tithe of Light
>Akka, the Worm of Secrets
>Eir
>Ur
>Xol
>Yul, the Honest Worm
>Oryx, the Taken King, God-King of the Hive
>Crota, Son of Oryx, crown prince to the Osmium Throne.
>Savathûn, Witch-Queen
>Xivu Arath, God of War
>Nokris; unknown Hive God.

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>>55264780
So since we very that outta the way, let's move onto the big guy himself. The Taken King, the Shaper Of Shapes, and general all around eldritch bad ass, Oryx.
>"Where is my son? Where is Crota, your lord, your princely god, your godly prince? Tell me no lies! I feel his absence like a hole in my stomach. Where once his tender tribute whetted burrowed mouths, now only hunger remains. Hear me, O waning stars, O tattered rags of Sky — I will stopper up this tearing gulf with vengeance."
>—Oryx

>>55264389

The Traveler is a big basketball on mars that does space jam magic.

The Light is good space jam magic that empowers the followers of Shaq O'Neil to fight the darkness.

The Dark is bad magic that's trying to steal the hoop to stop any more dunks happening.

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>>55264865
>Oryx, the Taken King, born Aurash and formerly known as Auryx (meaning "Long Thought"), is the current sovereign of the Osmium Throne, the God-King of the Hive, and master of the Taken. Reborn from the Darkness itself through a wicked pact, Oryx is the founder of the Hive race and the source of their terrible power. Of all the Hive gods, he alone holds the power to bend other races to his will. Oryx is also the father of the dreaded Crota, a deadly Hive Prince who slew thousands of Guardians during the Great Disaster. Enraged at the death of his son, Oryx has traveled to the Solar System aboard his Dreadnaught seeking revenge but was slain twice, first in the material world and later in his Ascendant Realm, his second death permanent.

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>>55264937
Time for some detail on his origins.
>Origins
>"I am Aurash, first daughter of the dead king. I will chase my father’s last screamed warning. I will know what changed the motion of our moons. If the end of the world is coming, I will understand why. On my center eye I swear it. I will understand."
>—Aurash

>Oryx, the Taken King traces his origins to a gas giant named Fundament, where the proto-Hive eked out a harsh existence on floating "continents" comprised of the shards of their shattered homeworld. Oryx was born as Aurash, a proto-Hive female and one of three surviving daughters of the Osmium King, ruler of the continent called the Osmium Court. Aurash's sisters were Xi Ro and Sathona, who together made up the final brood sired by the Osmium King.[1]

>>55263895
If there fanaticism doesn't accidentally a new Chaos God, its just a matter of time till they get planet cracked down to their deities, Said deities get eaten by Chaos used to killing those with loose definitions of existing.

The Hive is a problem like an infestation is a problem. Hard to get rid of just them, but a burnt down house isn't really infested anymore is it? Destiny heroes don't have the luxury to planet crack any Hive stronghold and rely on surgical strikes against any leadership presenting themselves to deadlock enemy actions.

How would Marbo deal with them?

>>55265038

You underestimate the scale in Destiny. Just because the Guardians and Earth can't do it doesn't mean fighting doesn't take place on a level where paracausal weapons are brought to bare and groups are literally throwing planets at each other.

As a matter of fact the Awoken have such a weapon that lets them do just that and they used it against the House of Wolves where they through a moon at the Fallen Fleets.

In a number of conflicts the Hive were involved in their opponents were able to "kill' Oryx and his sisters multiple times until he was able to create Taken.

The Tishibethi had a god being that could litterally claw moons apart until she was taken by Oryx.

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>>55265038
>Destiny heroes don't have the luxury to planet crack any Hive stronghold and rely on surgical strikes against any leadership presenting themselves to deadlock enemy actions.
They don't *need* to planet-crack. Guardians are tailor-made to murder God's, and endure against reality warping. Guardians are basically their own superweapons.

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>>55265014
>Oryx, the Taken King traces his origins to a gas giant named Fundament, where the proto-Hive eked out a harsh existence on floating "continents" comprised of the shards of their shattered homeworld. Oryx was born as Aurash, a proto-Hive female and one of three surviving daughters of the Osmium King, ruler of the continent called the Osmium Court. Aurash's sisters were Xi Ro and Sathona, who together made up the final brood sired by the Osmium King.[1]

>When the Osmium King was ten years old, a lifetime to the proto-Hive, he succumbed to senility madness, fearing an event called the Syzygy wherein Fundament's fifty-two moons would align and create a massive tidal wave that would destroy all of Fundament's civilizations. Taox, a sterile mother who served as the teacher to the King's daughters, feared the royal heirs were too weak to succeed the King and invited a rival kingdom, the Helium Drinkers of the Helium Court, to invade the Osmium Court, kill the royal family, and allow Taox to rule the Osmium Court as their regent. The Helium Drinkers invaded and slew the Osmium King, but Aurash and her sisters, two years old at the time, escaped on a ship and vowed to return one day for their revenge.[2]

>>55265071
Efficiently.

>>55264185
>>55264268
>>55264289
okay so they're "The Bad Guys" driven by the metaphysical Badness that exists as a cosmic antithesis of Goodness, and being Guys, their existence is universally conditioned by the mystical principle of Badness, which in turn determines their actions in such a way as to make them the Bad Guys

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>>55265441
>After a year of traveling the sea, the sisters salvaged an ancient, high-tech ship they called "the needle" from the Shvubi Maelstrom. Xi Ro wanted to sell it at the Kaharn Atoll, a gathering place of Fundament's many species, in order to raise enough money to hire a mercenary army, but Aurash wanted to take command of the ship. Sathona sided with Aurash, goaded on by a worm that their father had kept; the worm had washed up on the Osmium Court's shores and was seemingly dead, but Sathona could hear it speak. The sisters spent the next two years reactivating the ship, until Aurash decided to use it to fulfill its intended purpose: she wanted to dive to Fundament's core in the hopes of learning a secret that would prevent the Syzygy.[3]

>As they descended, the sisters encountered a vast creature called the Leviathan, a disciple of the Traveler. The Leviathan warned the sisters against proceeding further, telling them that they faced a choice between the Sky and the Deep, the Light and the Darkness, the way of life and the way of death. The sisters rejected the Leviathan, unable to accept that allowing their people to suffer was the better way, and instead decided to follow the worm Sathona had saved, which urged them to continue diving.[4]

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>>55265652
>Deep within the Fundament Ocean, the sisters encountered the Worms, who drew their power from the Darkness itself: Yul, the Honest Worm, and Eir, Xol, Ur, and Akka, the Virtuous Worms. The Worm Gods claimed that they had lived and grown in Fundament's depths for millions of years, trapped by the Leviathan and the Traveler. They had called many species to Fundament, hoping one would be tenacious enough to find them. They offered Xi Ro, Sathona, and Aurash immortality if they would allow themselves to be hosts for the Worms' larvae, with the caveat that if the sisters ceased to obey their natures (Xi Ro's desire to test her strength, Sathona's cunning, Aurash's inquisitiveness), their Worms would consume them. Furthermore, the stronger the sisters became, the greater their Worms' appetites would be.[5]

>The sisters accepted the pact. Xi Ro took the knight morph and became Xivu Arath; Sathona took the mother morph and became Savathûn; and Aurash took the king morph, transforming into a male and becoming Auryx, the king of the Hive. Over the following years, the siblings returned to their people and spread the Worms among them, creating the first Hive and enabling them to first liberate the Osmium Court, then drive Taox and the other fearful species of Fundament to Kaharn Atoll, and finally to build spaceships and break free of Fundament entirely.[6]

>>55264374
Cegorach is pretty powerful desu senpai

>>55264012
They base their entire existence around the extermination of other forms of life, especially those that follow the way of Light and the Traveler
>especially

"Especially" when they're already dead set on killing all life regardless

>>55267160
I guess when they see a Light following society 40LY away and a few neutral/dark ones 10 away, they'll gun for the light one and turn around after?

>>55266043
Bybthe sounds of it they'll be able to establish a foothold. But if they start encroaching on major imperial worlds or a hivelfeet runs across their territory they'll get pushed back or eaten. But unlikely to get completely extermunated.
Theycan be beaten by Guardians, who are pretty good supersoldiers. But still only soldiers and 40k has its own supersoldiers.

So, I can't be the only one sitting here reading these in game quotes and log entries and going, this is all very interesting but doesn't actually tell us anything about how much of a threat they would be in 40k. It's all coming across as fairly standard posturing.
Give us some actual facts rather than IC propaganda. What is their eye of terror equivalent? How do they operate? What sort of weapons do they wield? How numerous are they? Etc etc

>>55264871
Now I know this reply isn't supposed to be taken super seriously, but isn't the Traveler the big ass ball hovering over Earth that acts as the main hub in the first game? Or did I miss something from the expansions

>>55263895
What I have taken from this thread is that the Destiny writers are haaaaaacks. This is as derivative as 40k, with out any of the fun bits

>>55264308

Why? There's no reason to believe that one galaxy's Chaos gods should be that much stronger than another galaxy's Chaos gods, all other things being equal. The only reason to say that OUR local chaos phenomenon is somehow special is favoritism.

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>>55263895
Oh look, it's this kind of thread again.

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>>55267920
>What is their eye of terror equivalent?
They don't really have one. Not like they need it, the Darkness already seems to infest every nook and cranny of the the entire universe to some degree.

>How do they operate?
Slaughter any and every species that they come across, especially the forces of Light, in the name of the Deep, and their Sword-Logic. If they are ever defeated by any of the races they assault, then it just proves that they weren't worthy enough to become a part of the "Final Shape".

>What sort of weapons do they wield?
Ever hear of the 'Vex' from the same game? Those where *really* powerful, and positively ancient aliens who had built superstructures within practically every star, and had even started to develop weapons of pure ontology in order to rewrite reality to make themselves the Supreme rulers over every reality. And they do all this because, they wish to be more like the Hive and the Darkness they follow, whowever utterly curbstomped them, and proved to them the strength of the Sword-Logic through their powers of ontology and death manipulation.

>>55263970
Tyannids mixed with necrons

>>55268217
>Vex
>aliens
>Imblying

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>>55268353
Does this shit look natural to you Anon? Does this look like the work of a bunch of basic construction drones? Be honest here.

Jesus Christ this writing sounds terrible.

>>55268375
Yeah bro, they're fuckin crystals. Not that hard.

>>55265163
>Single dude with one gun who has the power to hack multiple lives from life
Or
>A montherfucking giant planet cracker that can take out every single enemy without wasting ammo or resources, or the lives of countless Innocent while we wait for them to carve their way to the BBEG.

>>55268432
But they're Bad Crystals of Badness, made by the Bad Guys using the Bad Force they were given by the Bad God to do the Bad Things.

>>55268375
>He thinks the Vex are extraterrestrials
>He doesn't know

Is it bad that this thread made me want to buy destiny 2 even though I have Destiny 1 and found it shit?

Look, I get it, you play your vidja gaems and you run across some reality warping villain faction that some writer wanted to be terrifying in an abstract cosmic sense. And that can be cool, I get it, I liked Evangelion for much the same reason. Now what you don't seem to be accounting for is that 40k is kind of retarded when you get into the meat of the lore. Between orks, chaos, and even goddam psychic tyrants reality warping is pretty frequent. And yet some how people manage, nobody's overrun the entire universe yet.

>>55268217
That is still not a solid answer anon.

You have to understand you aren't giving us anything to work off of besides lore. This is like if a player asked their GM how much damage their enemy does and the GM just makes explosion noises.

>Darkness already seems to infest every nook and cranny of the the entire universe to some degree.

He wanted to know a solid range not
>They is the bestest and can see everything!

If they can see everything then how the fuck could the guardian rogue class even exist?


>How do they operate?
>Slaughter any and every species that they come across

So does more than half or everything in 40k.

But, one infests the planet like fungus to overwhelm, one eats everything to gain their power and use it against them, one sends waves of easily killed soldiers, and then a air strike to wipe the planet. Because the Emperor's currency is human lives.

Their special fluff are not tactics


>What sort of weapons do they wield?
Ever hear of the 'Vex'

Super star structures... That do what? It's neat, but what do you do with something placed in a Sun? Won't their Light hating worms they admire hate that the literal physical embodiment of light is their tool?

Rewrite reality
Chaos Gods do that every day.
Hell, a human planet that has too much corruption can end up with possessed people and demons running around.

If anything their super awesome machine would attract something unsavory the second they tried to turn that shit on in 40k

But they are not the Hive, the race in question.

I know nothing about the game. So far as I've seen and learned they are primitive rage filled exoskeleton zombies that are infested with worms and worship giant worms.

They seem to wield swords, blast magic, and use guns. Like everything else in that game giant ships are only used for travel. Because what is air support?

>>55267943

I did say it was a BIG basketball.

>>55269236
Praise be to Shaq, may his shots be hella' rad

>>55265071
He already did.

>>55263970
Basically tyranid necrons. They actually have some cool lore behind them (Their leaders basically sold them out to a parasitic worm-god in exchange for black magic, said leaders basically killed their own deaths, they originally hail from floating islands in a gas giant, etc) but none of it ever comes up in game.

>>55264871
This is the best explaination for it that i've ever seen

>>55263970
Destiny is pretty vague, but the Hive are basically Warp Fucker combined with Tyranids, their king literally killed death. They're a bit like Rakghouls really. Definitely would be a Chaos Xeno race

>>55263895
As interesting as I think some of the ideas in Destiny are, you run into a problem trying to measure any antagonists races power, namely that everything is presented in vague yet menacing terms.
As a Guardian you massacre tons of target practice enemies leveling up until for whatever reason your Ghost needs to hack some space computer while you murder another wave of enemies. Ghost will then reveal that the enemies you've been fighting are just a landing force and the rest of the Fallen/Hive/Vex/Cabal/Taken have already killed/conquered/eaten/created the rest of the universe, so you better be careful.

>>55268041
>Why? There's no reason to believe that one galaxy's Chaos gods should be that much stronger than another galaxy's Chaos gods, all other things being equal
Because based on what I'm seeing here, the Hive's Pantheon is simply NOT Chaos God-tier. The closest equivalent to the gods in the Warp (Chaos Gods, Gork n' Mork, Emps by technicality) in the Destiny universe that I can see are the 'Light' and the 'Darkness', which don't exactly come off as sentient like the Hive Gods.

The Hive Gods themselves really do come off as the old Eldar Gods such as Khaine the Bloody-Handed, or if we're really going to be harsh here, they're a bunch of jumped up Daemon princes powered by 'the Darkness'.

Better question. If the Imperium were to discover a group of Guardians fighting xenos in all of their space wizard commando glory, how would they react? Would they consider them psykers? Would they integrate them in? Or us relying on the Traveler for immortality too much of a deal breaker?

>>55272025
Everything would get purged.

>>55272217
Bummer.

>>55268709
For a non meme answer, they fight almost exclusively with infantry, as far as we realize, and their space craft are severely limited as well compared to other Destiny and Warhammer races.

They utilize nearly endless waves of Thrall, which are basically runner zombies, supported by more disciplined infantry (Acolytes) that utilize light automatic weaponry and hand held mortars.

Compared to undead magic commandos that the Guardians are, Acolytes aren't very impressive by themselves, but would prove to be relatively superior man to man than your average guardsman.

Superior to Acolytes are Knights, which are safely Astartes level at the very least, Tyranid warrior tier at the most (for standard knights). They almost exclusively utilize the hand held mortars (Boomers) as well as giant power swords. They can generate a (mostly) impenetrable wall of "Darkness" behind which they can heal, but it prevents movement.

Above Knights are typically Wizards, softy magic types that provide extreme rapid fire power and area denial in the form of gaseous clouds of magic poison, an easy inbetween of a Zoanthrope and a Chaos Sorceror, depending on the rank of the Wizard in question.

Another enemy type is the Ogre, which is basically a Carnifex with a psychic machine gun jammed into it's head. Alone they're usually not too bad, but the Hive typically never fight alone, unless it's a Big Bad. And Shreikers which are floating balls of exploding AIDS.

Beyond that they have the Taken, which are other races infected by extradimensional bullshit and bound to the Hive. They're annoying as fuck to fight because they don't abide by the laws of physics or reality and they might not die when you kill them, simply escaping to the Hive shadow realm

>>55268217
'it's a super amazing amazing super op guys!'

Stop fanwanking

>>55274045
By and large, the Hive derive their power from magic bullshit and their persistence once they've lain groundwork. The Hive are almost worse than Tyranids because they can also fight defensively and have actual tactics to their name. The entirety of the Hive would be no match for the entirety of Chaos, unless they find their gods lacking and instead take up the banner of the Ruinous Powers. In which case ggez, ABD just came his pants.

The Necron may finally find an equal, the magical, rotting counterparts to their metallic mastery of super science.

Assuming the Darkness doesnt have the same effect on Biomass that Chaos does, the Tyranids would most likely have a fucking field day with the Hive, and the Hive's ability to persist on a planet nearly forever would give the Nids the biomass jackpot.

Tau are fucked, and Eldar as well probably. Most Guardsmen are going to get fucking creamed.

Astartes, especially Psykers, stand a fair chance, being a bit bellow Cabal warriors and Guardians in terms of man to man physical and fire power. The Imperium itself being essentially Post Golden Age, Post Collapse, would be able to stand it's ground, through sheer numbers and convince of other threats alone.

Orks would have a jolly time drowning in waves of Thrall and bashing Knights in their teeth, but they're always winning, no matter the cross over.

All in all, the Hive would be a serious threat and not easily confined to the category of Minor Xenos

>>55274045
So in other words
1)Inf only army would get stomped by the Guard (Taaaanks)/Marines (Dreads)
2)Shitty limited space craft that the Imperial navy/Eldar/Chaos ships would rape
3)Got some op land troops, which is kinda negated by the lack of any way to move 'em when their navy gets raped
4)Wizards? That's asking for rape via daemons
5)Ogres is another name for 'Balisk pls shoot me'
6)'Don't abide by the laws of reality' so daemonic creatures with Necron tier 'but did I really die?' Sounds like a job for Deathwatch

>>55274147
> derive their power from magic bullshit and their persistence once they've lain groundwork.

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>>55274147
All that being said, the major weakness of the Hive is their perverse sense of honor.

If you're a bad enough dude to Doomguy your way to the Hive Ascendant Realm (the place where their gods live, and would essentially just be either a pocket realm in warpspace or a comparatively tiny slice of land in the warp, nestled between Khorne's fields of skulls and blood and Tzeentch's labyrinth), then you get to face the Hive Gods one on one, as the very act of reaching the Ascendant Realm is a ritualistic gauntlet to not only prove your worthiness by Jack yourself up on juju.

The Gods are no joke, and fighting them is a ritual onto itself, but if you kill them you essentially get to BECOME that God. So if you're a bad enough dude, you can beat the Hive.

>>55274182
Yeah, pretty much. Unless the Hive get to pull out their Deus Ex Machina bullshit god powers, they're fleshy Necron with shittier guns and no vehicles.

That being said, with what I've said in this here post, this really is a job for the Deathwatch/Inquisition/dubiously heretical Rogue Trader team. Or Sly Marbo. I'm dead serious.

Destiny the setting is built on the concept of Heroes succeeding where armies failed. I'm every example of the lore, the only great successes of the Good Guys were either by extremely morally grey uses of overwhelming force and super weapons leading to pyrhic victories at best, or a gaggle of lads 'avin' a go at an eldritch space god/alien god king/extradimensional extratemporal machine god. And the Hive exemplify that , their only compitent fighters being exceptional individuals and can only be beaten by the same.

So as a table top army they would be made redundant by the Nids and Crons, but as an RPG/vidya/lore enemy they would be pretty cool and satisfying to beat.

>>55274194
Essentially, either you take out their leadership with Traveler sized balls or trash the planet they're on and call it a day. Most societies in Destiny aren't despotic super dystopias willing to trash planets Willy nilly though, and those that are get trashed by the trillions by bored guardians farming for loot.

Humanity at their collapse couldn't afford to blow up their world's like that, since it wasn't a fraction as expansive as the Imperium and was objectively utopian (one of the reasons the Hive fucked them), and the current humanity can't really Exterminatus planets because they don't have the means, and Destiny is Noblebright High Science Fantasy at very best, so Duh Good Guys won't be glassing planets any time soon

>>55268375
...that looks like Xel'Naga planet-thing from the end of Starcraft 2's campaigns. I' m pretty sure there's a scene where Kerrigan and Artanis are standing in front of a big triangular gate just like that.

>>55264012
Sounds like the Empire of Man, desu

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>>55271446
>which don't exactly come off as sentient like the Hive Gods.
Oh how wrong you are my friend. The Traveler and the Sky are most certainly sentient and aware, they just need other beings in order to convey what they wish to express. And as for the Darkness itself? Well, I'll just let this conversation it had with Oryx do the talking.
>Oryx, my King, my friend. Kick back. Relax. Shrug off that armor, set down that blade. Roll your burdened shoulders and let down your guard. This is a place of life, a place of peace.

>Out in the world we ask a simple, true question. A question like, can I kill you, can I rip your world apart? Tell me the truth. For if I don’t ask, someone will ask it of me.

>And they call us evil. Evil! Evil means ‘socially maladaptive.’ We are adaptiveness itself.

>Ah, Oryx, how do we explain it to them? The world is not built on the laws they love. Not on friendship, but on mutual interest. Not on peace, but on victory by any means. The universe is run by extinction, by extermination, by gamma-ray bursts burning up a thousand garden worlds, by howling singularities eating up infant suns. And if life is to live, if anything is to survive through the end of all things, it will live not by the smile but by the sword, not in a soft place but in a hard hell, not in the rotting bog of artificial paradise but in the cold hard self-verifying truth of that one ultimate arbiter, the only judge, the power that is its own metric and its own source—existence, at any cost. Strip away the lies and truces and delaying tactics they call ‘civilization’ and this is what remains, this beautiful shape

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>>55274976
>The fate of everything is made like this, in the collision, the test of one praxis against another. This is how the world changes: one way meets a second way, and they discharge their weapons, they exchange their words and markets, they contest and in doing so they petition each other for the right to go on being something, instead of nothing. This is the universe figuring out what it should be in the end.

>And it is majestic. Majestic. It is the only thing that can be true in and of itself.

>And it is what I am.

>>55264937
>>55265014
Wait, is Oryx a boy or a girl?

>>55275316
Xie/Xir is genderfluid.

>>55275316
Trans male.

Her sisters took into themselves worms that made them into gods, but their roles were agender. Aurash took the King Worm, which is gender dependant

It's 2deep4u Kirkbride lore, not SJW Propoganda, I swear

>>55263970
The Hive have the following badassery;

>Leaders can revive themselves if killed, need to invade their fucking PRIVATE UNIVERSES where they are literal gods and beat them there to kill them permanently
>Weird ass magic, that can also eat your magic... somehow. They get it from symbiotic worm-god larvae that live in them, and will fucking EAT THEIR HOSTS if they have second thoughts about what they're doing.
>Fought a millions, if not billions of years long crusade against all other sentient life in the universe. So far, they've exterminated every race they've encountered (except the Vex, but that's because of time travel shennanigans).
>One of them killed one of their gods, then built his flagship out of the corpse. A flagship so large other factions drive their largest capital ships into it and fight wars of attrition instead of conventional boarding actions.
>Oh, and their fleets are (in the lore, not in the game) composed primarily of BATTLE MOONS, which are literal moons they basically hollow out, fill with technology and Hivers, and fling at their enemies.

But since their most badass character gets fucking solo'd by the Destiny PC, they suck.

>>55274383
? Anon, we're on about what would happen if they got into 40k.

The point was that the 'they settle in on planets' was rended moot by the Imperium's ability to just decide to unplanet things

>>55275864
>'BATTLE MOONS, which are literal moons they basically hollow out, fill with technology and Hivers, and fling at their enemies. '

Literally ork tier

Also, how did this go from 'Guys how would my far far far far weaker sci fi villians do in 40k' to 'let me shill destiny's lore'

>>55263895
They all easily gunned down by what? 100 low level magic people and dudes with normal guns.

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>>55276285
>Guys how would my far far far far weaker
Absolutely *none* of the factions in the 40k setting possess ontological weaponry, except for *mayyybe* Tzeentch, and even that's a stretch.

>>55274147
>The Necrons finally find an equal.

No Anon... they don't... at all. You SERIOUSLY underestimate how fucking broken newcrons are.

>>55276593
Necrons.

>>55276596
Or you don't realize how broken the Hive are.

Im not wanting, but their Gods and magic are some serious bullshit

>>55276648
>wanting

Wanking, fucking mobile

>>55275864
>But since their most badass character gets fucking solo'd by the Destiny PC, they suck.
Oryx could still revive at that point.
It took a fireteam of six very strong guardians invading his private universe just to kill him off for good.
AFAIK the only things that have the luxury of reviving whenever they like in 40k are perpetuals and Daemon Princes.

Honestly these guys seem like they'd just become part of the lore rather than overrunning everything or being stamped out immediately.

Much like the EI, the Tohaa, the Hiigarans, any early-game Endless factions, and the Tenno, these Hive blokes are one of the sci-fi factions that could successfully cement themselves into the eternal stalemate that is 40K lore. They'd have a blotchy empire carved out somewhere on the edge of Segmentum Obscurus and be constantly expanding/deflating in regular intervals like every other 40K faction. They'd never take over the galaxy, but they'd never lose everything either.

There'd be an event centered around their release that would be about them kicking ass, then their codex wouldn't be updated in roughly a decade while the Marine codices take turns smacking them up in fluff. When they finally get a new codex they'll be hyped for a little while, making 'great gains' against other factions, then will fade into the position of Marine boot polish again for seven or eight years.

>>55276256
And...I'm agreeing with you???

But that's not the core of their tactics. It's just what we've seen so far with their interactions with Earth, since the humans are dug in and shielded by Plot, so the Hive dug in as well.

>>55276680
And then they'd get squatted

>>55276648
No, you don't understand how fucking broken the Necrons are.

The Necrons in 40k are basically a bunch of geriatric old men playing bridge.

At their Height, they killed Old Ones and Star Gods, and hid away from the Eldar, who AT THEIR HEIGHT were able to fuck the universe so hard it birthed a chaos god.

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>>55276617
Necrons WISH they were on the absolutely broken level of the Vex and their timeline fuckery. And the Vex still failed to understand the ontological bullshit of the Hive, and even straight up *broke* trying to fathom Oryx.

>>55276593
Both Eldar and Necrons do, actually. DoAT humanity is heavily implied to as well.

Eldar only use them in a tight spot because they consider them intrinsically wrong, and Necrons... it's never really explained how Necrons haven't won yet.

>40k faggots arguing with Destiny faggots over whose special snowflakes would win

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>>55276710
>*Predicts your downfall*

>>55276593
Actually time manipulation has been recorded tons of times, it just seems to be a very very bad thing to do in 40k and usually results in things getting deleted from reality.

>>55276593
aside from all the ones that do

>>55276762
Even Tau have time manipulation bombs.

Dark Eldar use time-folding trinkets for fun and profit.

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>>55276710
You mentioned the Hive worship their worm gods who have space magic.

Necrons shattered their gods who have space magic.

I don't think you understand how the Necrons have zero fucks given in their universe.

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>>55276747
>DELETS you from every timeline at once.
Checkmate Orikan.

>>55276820
>Orikan just goes gigger nigger mode and slaps his shit.

You're forgetting Orikan is not only Doctor Who, but also Mumm-Ra the ever living.

>>55276813

I mean, so did the Hive. Oryx figured out what he needed to do to get stronger when the Hive were getting their shit kicked in and after killing Savathun and Xivu Arath he went to Akka, tore his shit sideways and "Took" the knowledge of Taking and then went to re-rez his sisters afterwards.

They really arn't all that different from each other besides the fact the Hive are okay with their situation.

>>55276846
The Difference being a C'tan can send a lightning bolt into the past to kill your ancestors for fun.

Literally, the only thing stopping a C'tan from doing anything is it's imagination.

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>>55276813
>Necrons shattered their gods who have space magic.
C'tan aren't "gods". They are just *really* powerful space whales who got crammed into metal shells. They obeyed the rules of physical reality for the most part. Hell they could even straight up DIE in certain circumstances.

>>55276879
>The Difference being a C'tan can send a lightning bolt into the past to kill your ancestors for fun.

Clearly it wasn't all that useful considering they lost.

>>55276843
>>55276820
If a jackhole magic zombie and five of his drunken, idiot friends can all load machine gun fire into a Gorgon and kill it, I'm pretty sure a Necron Bullshitmaster can as well.

And I say that as the biggest lore shill in the thread.

>>55276892
You know those circumstances were

>Merced by the Necrons using their strongest tech
>Falling into the Warp, which is their literal Anti-thesis
>Being eaten by another C'tan

>>55276907
Sort of shows the Strength of the Necrons then.

>>55276892
And the Hive are Space Zombies controled by mindworms that give them spooky space magic.

The fact that they're gunned down by what is basically your average deathwatch kill team, including their super special mega boss Oryx sort of puts it into question how these things are a threat in their own universe.

>>55276945
Well calling a raid party (presumably max level if they've gotten gud) an average Deathwatch kill team is a bit unfair to Guardians from a lore standpoint.

As for how they can kill a god >>55274332

The raid is an occult ritual that turns your buds into Doomguy, just so you and the god can fight on equal terms like men

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>>55276945
>The fact that they're gunned down by what is basically your average deathwatch kill team, including their super special mega boss Oryx sort of puts it into question how these things are a threat in their own universe.
You seem to be forgetting that those "space zombies" are literally paracasual thanks to their Light, and are *literally* made to kill gods, and tell reality-warping eldritch abominations to go fuck themselves on a daily basis.

>>55276927
>Sort of shows the Strength of the Necrons then.

Indeed, it's just that in the case of the Hive, they were slowly by passing the Worm Gods to get directly to the source of their power which was the Darkness itself. Hell Oryx made the Tablets of Ruin for the purpose of allowing him to explore Death and the Darkness and even has a conversation with it.

The Necron have their super level "we're done with science" science and all they had to do was BTFO the C'Tan to get control of themselves again.

>>55276945
Because they are paracausal beings that can control their own fate and resist the powers of other paracausal beings who can literally bend reality over and fuck it on a whim.

That and the main weakness of the Hive is the fact that their worms require so much tihting that Oryx had an infrastructure in place that if you faced him directly you were fucked but the Guardians dismantled him system of tithes and weakened him considerably.

>>55276973
>>55276980
>>55276983

So a bunch of guys can shoot low calibur machine guns at them, but because of some tell and not show reasons, they're super hard and serious guys?

And the way to defeat the super mega skeletor satan was literally grinding a few dungeons.

So again, this all sounds like Standard Deathwatch shit.

>They find out this "Raid Ritual" by blowing up a few Guardians and hyjacking their tech
>They drop pod into the Hive
>They kill everyone
>Rinse and repeat

>>55277022

Well, unlike a standard Deathwatch squad they can re-rez after being killed but don't let that stop you.

>>55277058
>>55277022

Space Marines can read people's memories by eating their brains.

>Kill Guardian
>Eat brain
>Do Raid Ritual
>Cleanse Hive
>Done

Also, nobody would re-rez because Chaos gods don't like Souls doing that.

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>>55276983
>That and the main weakness of the Hive is the fact that their worms require so much tihting that Oryx had an infrastructure in place that if you faced him directly you were fucked but the Guardians dismantled him system of tithes and weakened him considerably.
Even heavily weakened, Oryx was still *ridiculously* powerful, and required the Guardians using the power of the corrupted light he and his Hive had devoured over countless years, against him. His most powerful attack, known as "Doxology", was literally him using the devoured light of the trillions of beings he had slaughtered over the aeons, to unleash a single wave of pure "FUCK YOU" to utterly annihilate his foes.

>>55276945
In-universe it's literally a war of attrition. Strong Hive can come back if killed unless you find where they hid their pocket dimensions and kill them there.
Weak Hive get shit out and Zerg rush you.

So they can just chuck dudes at you all day every day for as long as it takes. There's one war they were engaged in that was like 300 years iirc and it only ended because their leader chatted up his god, killed him, and took his power as his own to immediately assfuck the other sides empress and drive them into extinction.

>>55277076
Guardians are beings of pure light. No brains in there.

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I wish destiny actually used more of this lore in the game. Hive and Taken lore is fascinating to me but the most that we ever see of it is 'Kill them and hope you get an exotic'
Where is my sunbreaker bungie

>>55277097
>>55277111

And at the end of the day, this was all shlock written up to make them respawning as farmable dungeons canon.

40K has plenty of people who would be able to farm those Dungeons And plenty more who can break those Dungeons over their Knee.

Hell, this all sounds like a fun new Dark Eldar Sport.

>>55276892
>C'tan aren't "gods"

They are. Solar vampire energy being stuff got retconned.

C'tan are metaphysical beings that predate material existence, and whose presence is integral to the functioning of reality. Necrons actually harmed reality on a grand scale by shattering them, which is one of the reasons why The Silent King is so fed up with his people.

C'tan are actually closer to real gods than the Chaos Gods, who are in reality just huge psychic parasites.

>>55277148
if you're talking about the subclass you can get it back

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>>55277166
>40K has plenty of people who would be able to farm those Dungeons And plenty more who can break those Dungeons over their Knee.
Then they all get killed via Deathsingers singing their deaths into existence. Or the Throne Realm just straight up devours them because they don't have "Verified Light" protecting them from the Darkness straight up dissolving them.

>>55263982
Part of 40k is how the entire galaxy is consumed by wars fought against the 'bad guys'. To each faction, all other factions are 'bad' compared to themselves. Or in the case of the 'Nids, all they do is eat. Plant, animal, sentient, squeaker, screamer, shooty, Orky, it's all just food. Nobody is 'on the right side'.

>>55277231
Which does nothing, and the Dark Eldar kill them for phat lewt or they respawn.

>>55277231
You know when you start whining about universe specific things like that, it gets really difficult to make comparisons.

For example? Does anything in Destiny actually have a Soul?

If it does, well, it's fucked.

if it doesn't well, it's also pretty fucked.

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>>55277231
>Sing "Death" into existance

The Eldar have sort of done that collectively already.

>40kfags attempting to make it seem as if their lore is deeper or better than bungie
One is for selling action figures the other is for dlc lmao

>>55277231
>Or the Throne Realm just straight up devours them because they don't have "Verified Light" protecting them from the Darkness straight up dissolving them

This Sounds like it came from Kingdom hearts.

People need to stop making these threads because I can tell they don't actually want to discuss this stuff, they just want to bait 40k fans to responding so they can wank over how powerful their sci fi universe is. I understand that the 40k universe isn't as powerful as some others but I can do without all these people masturbating in my face.

>>55277349
The End result is always the same.

Some big Stupid magic thing is mentioned in 40k and then people get Angry.

Here, I'll just solve the thread.

Khorne has every weapon ever invented and every weapon that will ever be invented.

There, he wins. Case closed Khorne wants Bloodshed.

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>>55277349
Personally, I wish to discuss this. The Hive ending up in 40k would certainly be a welcome change of pace compared to "Guilliman fucking Eldar Whores: The Series" that we are currently having ramped down our throats.

>>55276285
the problem is that due to how Destiny functions as a game you can't really show how powerful the NPC factions actually are outside of dialogue and the occasional cutscene

>>55276926
>>55276945
>>55277022
honestly it's best to completely ignore the game itself when discussing Destiny lore(really anything involving Earth itself or Humanity in Destiny has always been the weakest part of it's lore, the enemy factions have always been more interesting)

>>55277405
>Chaos Necrons showing up would be more interesting

No, it wouldn't Destiny is full of the same old Bungie shit we had since Marathon, except Marathon is at least Sci-fi and not boring Magic.

It's like when people said >>55277426
About Halo.

It's the same shit

>This Alien race can break the laws of Physics with their technology
>AND THIS Alien race are parasites, who beat those other guys.
>Then we have Warlike conglomartes of various aliens who all suck the previous old guys dicks
>And the plucky Humans solve everything by firing assault rifles at it.

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>>55277454
>boring Magic.
Yes, because the same generic "IT'S ALL SCIENCE GUYZ" tripe is sooooooo much better, right?

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>>55277844

>>55276892
"X aren't gods just almighty powerful"

What the fuck do you think the definition of a god is then you dumb ass

>>55277532
>Yes, because the same generic "IT'S ALL SCIENCE GUYZ" tripe is sooooooo much better, right?

Imagine being this retarded.

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>>55278660
>Calls others retarded.
>Unironically enjoys the direction GW is taking the 40k verse.
Hmmmmmmmm.

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>>55263895
nigga i keep reading these replies and there's nothing about the taken, bc in pretty much any universe theyre a huge advantage, assuming Oryx is considered alive for the purposes of this stupid argument

For those who don't know, Oryx (basically king of the Hive) was fighting a losing war against these dudes called the Ecumene. To fix that, he killed the shit out of one of his gods (Akka) and gained the power to 'take:' that is, suck a living thing into a darkness dimension (not really clear on exactly what that is), suck their soul out, and replace it with unswerving devotion to Oryx. This is really powerful, because for every shitty Hive soldier Oryx loses, he can just Take an enemy soldier to replace it

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>>55279197
>suck a living thing into a darkness dimension (not really clear on exactly what that is)
I think it's literally mentioned that they get dragged into the Darkness itself. Hell, the Taken grimoire cards are apparently the Darkness speaking to them.
>You are an Acolyte. Half-grown backbone of the Hive. Cunning and ambitious and crushed beneath your mighty rulers.

>You have been taken.

>Stop praying. Give up your recitations. Your faith is fulfilled. You will be strong now.

>What is your creed? What do you believe?

>That you are alone. That you may, with caution and care, survive to grow and gather tribute. That you may one day lead a centuries-long crusade. But you are lightly armed and craven. You hide behind cover and wish for greatness. Glory escapes you.

>You need help.

>There is a knife for you. It is shaped like [not alone].

>Take up the knife. Call on its company. Take your new shape.

>>55279197
>>55279297

In the Lake of Shadows Strike it's implied that there is someone else who can take. Speculation is it's Savathun

>>55279365
sick i guess

also its kinda funny how many grognards here like a linear halo-style fps like destiny so much

>>55279365
Probably is since some adventures on Io have bosses following the Oryx naming convention (So-and-So, Eye of Savathûn)

>>55276980

Though it does kinda highlight that if you have any protection against paracausal shit they're basically pussies.

Very much a glass cannon of an unstoppable doomrace.

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>>55279365
Which implies that Best Sister went and pushed in Akka's shit again, in order to gain the power to 'Take' as Oryx had.

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>>55277349
I find the Culturefags 'Our ships have fuckhuge range, speed, and power' to be less annoying than the Destinyfags 'Our ships are actually like living ideas or something'

>>55280240

She wouldn't even have to do that, Akka is a spaceship and is currently hanging out in the giant ring made when Oryx used his super weapon on the Awoke Fleet.

Literally, all she would have to do is walk up and take Oryx's place. Toland even says as much when he berates the Guardians for not doing that and then you have the various Taken trying to do exactly that.

Then again, there is still Nokris whom we don't know anything about but my headcannon is that he or she is the child of Savathun

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>>55263895
The Hive would fit very comfortably in 40k, but they'd have about the same traction as every other villain faction. Win some, lose some, get the shit kicked out of them by some space marines with plot armor. You know, same shit in both Destiny and 40k – both settings are just a bunch of grimdark menace held at bay by the player characters until the writers get bored.

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>>55280317
>Literally, all she would have to do is walk up and take Oryx's place. Toland even says as much when he berates the Guardians for not doing that and then you have the various Taken trying to do exactly that.
That raises the question of what she was doing before Oryx's fall though. Was she just scheming in the dark the whole time, just waiting for her brother to be killed, whether by outside forces or his own Worm, so that she could take his place?

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>>55263895
>Wanting the Hive
>Instead of based sun-crushing, planet throwing, big dick CABAL.
There's a reason they needed two games to establish the best faction in Destiny.

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>>55280545

>>55280428

Who the hell knows. Oryx at one point crippled the tithes of his sisters so they wouldn't be as powerful as he was and at some point they said "Duces bro, you're cramping our style" and they both left with Oryx and his family all dead I would think the other two would be interested in whomever killed their brother and their neices and nephew neverminding the fact that:

A Eris Morn is still hunting them
B. Taox may or may not still be out there as well.

>>55280428

Who knows, besides that she still has her pet Vex Mind that Oryx gave to her. Quoria Blade Transform. The Vex mind that began to learn and teach the Sword Logic to the Vex in the hopes of bootstrapping into divinity.

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>>55280660
>I would think the other two would be interested in whomever killed their brother and their neices and nephew neverminding the fact that:
Where Ir Halak and Ir Anuk truly killed though? Shouldn't they have had thEir own Throne Realms, with their own Oversouls? Or did they just share one with their father?

>>55280809

Good point, especially when you consider Ir Yut survived when we apparently killed her and her baby daddy Crota

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>>55280962
Omnigul also survived and has returned as of Destiny 2. Keeping Ascendant Hive down is certainly a challenge.

>>55279197
>This is really powerful, because for every shitty Hive soldier Oryx loses, he can just Take an enemy soldier to replace it
Yeah, if Oryx tried that with Orks (ESPECIALLY Weirdboyz) or anything Chaos-related, I'm pretty sure the 6 big shots of the Warp would straight up no-sell this bullshittery.

>>55275864
so like chaos demons if they were robot zombies? theyd fit right in

>>55270818
That was honestly one of my least favourite things about Destiny.

>that mission where you go to Mars for the first time
>your Ghost tells you all about how the Cabal have fucked everyone's shit up, and they WILL fuck your shit up if they find you creeping around in one of their bases
>alarm triggers
>Ghost starts freaking the hell out because he thinks you're about to fucking die
>that dropship swoops in and giant dudes that make Space Marines look like normal people with guns that fire fist-sized bullets start jumping out
>it feels like this fight is going to be a really tough one to pull off, welcome to Mars motherfucker
>lol jk they all die in a single headshot and deal no damage just like every other enemy :^)

Destiny constantly wrote checks the gameplay simply could not cash when it came to the various enemy factions. Especially the magic time-travelling Vex who are apparently impossible to stop but walking in and shooting some random stuff with your regular-ass bullets stops their takeover of the world because ????

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>>55287360
>impossible to stop but walking in and shooting some random stuff with your regular-ass bullets stops their takeover of the world because ????
Plot armor anon.

Obviously.

Bungie's 'wayward son' 343 Industries also took a lot of the creative writing staff went it was created as I recall, so that may have impacted the quality of the writing on Destiny.

'course, those writers at 343i decided to out-do 40k in the over-the-top size when it came to anything Forerunner related in Halo 4, so... mixed bag I guess.

Pic related on that last part.

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>>55287360
>Destiny constantly wrote checks the gameplay simply could not cash


At least the Darkness didn't send in Wilhelm.

>>55276709
I do wonder if the vex could be stronger.

>>55287360
>Destiny constantly wrote checks the gameplay simply could not cash when it came to the various enemy factions. Especially the magic time-travelling Vex who are apparently impossible to stop but walking in and shooting some random stuff with your regular-ass bullets stops their takeover of the world because ???

Because the vex strategy relies on being able to analyze anything and anyone in such a way that they can find and predict a win point for themselves which is something they can't do with literal god beings whom they can't analyze (Guardians, The light and Darkness, The Hive, and Warminds).

The Vex arn't imaginative and their whole thing relies on just being able to accumulate enough data to show that they would win absolutely which is something they can't account for.

In one instance there is a scenario where the HIve have defeated the Vex in their entirety.

I'm not going to sit here and try to convince you that the story is some kind of literary masterpiece because it's not but at least invest some bit in learning about the lore beyond memes.

>>55291941

so why can't they beat the cabal?

>>55292329
Because paracausal duh.

>>55292329

I don't know because the story doesn't have the Vex beating everyone else before trying to beat humanity?

Are you autistic?

What is the light and the darkness?

>>55292777
A good thing and a bad thing.

>>55292777

Yuri and NTR.

>>55292350
>>55292439

I thought the cabal were just rhinoguys, why are they acausal but otherwise fairly low tech compared to the other things?

>>55293452

They're not paracausal you're just retarded

>>55279365
Isn't that a PlayStation exclusive

>>55293296
Netori and netorare.

>>55293526

Why are you so angry?

>>55293840

Because I'm not in the mood to entertain base line trolling, just say the story sucks and be over with it, i'm not going to defend destiny's story to the death.

>>55293752
Yes, Lake of Shadows is PS exclusive Strike although I imagine at some point they'll release it for all platforms

>>55293871
>Because I'm not in the mood to entertain base line trolling

Someone literally said "they're paracausal" though in response to someone else asking if there's a story explanation for them being wiped out if they're not paracausal.

>>55264374
>I came here to fanwank destiny

>>55294775

No, the Cabal don't have any sort of paracasual/acasual powers or ability. As for why the Vex havn't wiped them out is because apparently it wasn't written in the story that the Vex have anhillated everyone else except humanity. I don't know what else to tell you besides that.

>>55295102
Might as well balance out the 40k fanwank

>>55295343
>40k fanwank
Is it really fanwank when (as of September 10th, so tomorrow/today-ish depending on your timezone) 40k will have 30 years of over-the-top lore to draw from against Destiny's wafer-thin (by comparison) lore?

Chaos Gods/Gork n' Mork > Old Eldar Gods.

Old Eldar Gods ≥ Destiny's Hive Gods.

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For those who are wondering *why* the Cabal can fight with the Vex on an even playing field, and not get bsolutely curbstomped? It's literally because the Cabal are the *only* race that truly understands the Vex's reality-warping technology, and can study it with mostly no harm coming to themselves. They aren't just giant power-armored turtles, they are literally highly-advanced warrior-architects and scholars who just happen to be giant turtles in power-armor.

>>55296285

There's also the bit about their battle net which allows them to respond relatively quickly to Vex attacks, it was how the Blind Legion was able to hold to Vex at bay for so long because just shooting at their shields would trigger the battlenet and give the commanders info on where the fighting was going on.

I don't know if they conviently forgot about this in D2 or if it simply didn't matter.

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>>55296309
>don't know if they conviently forgot about this in D2 or if it simply didn't matter.
I think it's still a thing, given how quickly they still respond to attacks. They just seem to be focusing most of their efforts on uncovering the secrets of the Traveler and its Light, for the most part.

>>55276285
This literally happens whenever some self-wanking faggot decides to pit his fandom against WH40K and being the enormous autist that he is, he will ALWAYS set his faction to be the end-all of the Warhammer Universe.

Arguing with these nerds is like talking to a brick wall, fucking pointless and plain skub.

This is not even the first time. Others like him have tried:
>The Starcraft Universe
>The Star wars Universe
>Halo
>Star Trek
>DC
>Marvel cosmic powergaming faggotry
>Dragon Ball
>Xeelee sequence

And of course, being a fanwank thread, WH40K loses period.

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>>55296406
Fool! Everything that you listed could *easily* be defeated by the power of barbed wire! Do you doubt it's strength!?

>>55296348

That would make sense, if they are trying to keep their focus on the city and gathering what they need to extract the light and getting the Almighty ready to fuck the sun you're not going to be to concerned with the goings on of other factions in the area aside from shooting them to keep them away.

>>55295118

Man, destiny's story really sucks, it's just terrible.

>>55295343

I'M TELLING GIRLYMAN ON YOU

>>55296661
>Man, Destiny's story really sucks, it's just terrible.

There you go, feel better now?

>>55264386
>Thunderlord_target_practice.jpg

>>55263970
Where do the Taken fit in all this?

>>55276593
>Be Space-Roman Rhinos
>enemy contact is very large vessel / god-corpse
>enemy is almost certainly supernatural in nature
>please advise
>...
>board and discharge explosive to neutralize target

The Cabal fucking rules.

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>>55279713
Seems like the best bet are Sisters of Battle as main ground forces with Grey Knights taking on the role of elite strike teams.

Sisters of Battle have Acts of Faith that protect them from different non-conventional attacks and allow them to dispatch such enemies. And at their basis they are battle-nuns who devoted their lives to killing enemies of the Emperor and protecting his Imperium. All their equipment is blessed (though almost all weapons and armor in Imperium are protected by blessings and prayers).

And Grey Knight, beyond being psyker murder machines on steroids also have their hate fuelled psychic strikes that can delete demons with all their buddies and parts of the city block.

>Light of the Emperor shine from my eyes
>Ensure the alien surely dies

>>55298518
Grey Knights would exist fairly comfortably within Destiny, and would not be wanting for purging

>>55296285
Why don't all the races that wont the light, to use it and not destroy it, make peace with the humans?

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>>55299058
Because they are assholes who can't fathom that they may very well damn the entire cosmos to oblivion with their selfish, and petty actions.
>Pic related.

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>>55299125
So there a cross between Elites and Brutes? How long until a second covenant civil war?

>>55298518

Holy Promethium (Via Immolators) would do a lot of work clearing out the hordes while Exorcists put blessed melta missiles into the poor leadership.

>>55299125
You think they will stop at taking the Light? His title is literally Dominus. In case they succeed what will happen next is written in big bold letters over entire orbit of Earth - We gonna take Light and then we gonna take everything else.

Darkness will be next.

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>>55299470
>You think they will stop at taking the Light? His title is literally Dominus. In case they succeed what will happen next is written in big bold letters over entire orbit of Earth - We gonna take Light and then we gonna take everything else.
Considering what happened to him once the Traveler got tired of his BS? Yeah, the Darkness would likely bend him over and take him to Brown-Town.

>>55299620

Frankly I think the Darkness would welcome Ghaul with open arms and tell him not to concern himself with the light but "take" the Darkness and gain power from that.

>>55265126
Don't forget the Warmoons from the Books of Sorrow. These fucks literally pilot warships built into and out of moons, by the thousands.

>>55274182
In regards to air combat, the Hive have Tombships, which can warp via wormholes to just about anywhere in space(including inside very small caverns). These tombships are equipped with powerful void weaponry and are very speedy, see the Taken King cinematic intro for visuals.

>>55291941
>at least invest some bit in learning about the lore beyond memes.

I played the game from start to finish and practically none of that is explained or even mentioned in the game itself, which is another massive failing of Destiny's. And in any case they have literal time travel (that's one of the very few things the game does tell you about anything) so how the fuck haven't they conquered at least the entire galaxy yet?

Surely their logic powered supercomputer battle machines would be able to figure out that they'll always win if they go back to before their enemy even existed?

>>55296669

I was hoping giving you who I assume are Darkness from Konosuba and only like this stupid lore because it involves peter dinklage telling you that "darkness is evil and wrong" and that makes your panties moist the contempt you apparently want would make you less unnecesarily agro and pissy.

It's generic videogame lore, no one gives a shit except you.

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>>55300011
>And in any case they have literal time travel (that's one of the very few things the game does tell you about anything) so how the fuck haven't they conquered at least the entire galaxy yet?
I *think* it's mentioned in either one of the grimoire cards, or the Dreams Of Alpha Lupi, but it's pretty much stated that the Traveler directly warped reality other the point where beings like the Vex, couldn't express the full weight of their blitzes, outside of their self-contained nether-realms such as the Vault Of Glass.

How would a battle between cabal and space marines look like?

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>>55302623
It would probably result in a planet-wide conflict that ultimately culminates in one of either side nuking the place into space dust to deny the other side a victory. Bad for anyone who is on that planet at the time, but absolutely epic for anyone who's an outside observer.

>>55296406
>>Xeelee sequence

tbf literally every science fiction setting ever would lose to the xeelee

Also the technology level of the setting =/= Quality of the fiction. 40k is cool and all,
but I like the Expanse more because it's better written, even though the imperium of man would roll over the Expanse universe

>>55264451
shorter, less purple prose version:
>Light is the magic lasers that prevents natural entropy
>Darkness is the magic lasers that make entropy happen sooner and scarier
>Traveler is a Used Light Salesman who doesn't know how to actually sell anything and gives it away to anyone who seems nice
>Forsaken seemed nice but weren't so their magic Light cars went away and now they're pissed and edgy because they want their daddy back
>Hive thinks Light is a faggot and wants Darkness to be in charge
>Vex think this whole thing is stupid and want to masturbate in binary while killing everyone
>Cabal think being big and homoerotic is good enough to get Traveler to sell them Light for free and are pissed when Traveler says no homo

>>55303771
Oh, and Guardians are the magic undead Traveler invented after coming to Earth and playing so much Dark Souls that he died for real.

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>>55303771
>Hive thinks Light is a faggot and wants Darkness to be in charge
>Vex think this whole thing is stupid and want to masturbate in binary while killing everyone
>Cabal think being big and homoerotic is good enough to get Traveler to sell them Light for free and are pissed when Traveler says no homo
Glorious.

>>55303207
wouldn't the downstreamers do fine?

>>55298357
The Taken are just Oryx's dark Worm God magic affecting other races.

>>55295102
>I live to gargle GW spunk

>>55281349
Omnigul's back again?
TELL ME HOW TO MEET MAH WAIFU

Destiny is one of those sad cases where absolutely everything outside of the gameplay is interesting.
It has beautiful visual design, interesting (even if a bit retarded at times) lore, and is a desperately needed breath of fresh air in this day and age.
But the gameplay could not ever measure up to what the lore paints the setting as.

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>>55306148
Well the closest thing will be Warframe probably. It has nice artstyle, even if somewhat hampered by not so great graphics and it's lore while ridiculous still can be pretty fun. Warframe's basic gunplay and movement is ok too.

But then come the missions. Which are grind upon grind and with a grind on top. Did I mention the grind?

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>>55308042
>But then come the missions. Which are grind upon grind and with a grind on top. Did I mention the grind?
I guess you could say that it, GRINDEERS your gears, am I right?

>>55310917
If Cabal so smart why not brush they're teeth, huh!?

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>>55310936
Are you judging him based on his appearance!? He could likely be a very attractive male to the females of his species!

>>55309554
Carlos!

This entire argument hinges on whether or not the Hive get Oryx.

If not, they're fucked.

If so, Taken Eldar, Taken Necron, Taken Astartes, and worst of all Taken Tyranids. The galaxy would get fucked hard

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>>55277231
>the emperors golden light shining from his golden throne, blessing all humanity and all his soldiers.

>not good enough light for you.

>>55296553
This
Barbed wire>shitty gods from all settings

>>55312750
But anon, everyone in 40k is already fucked, that's kinda the point.

>>55311370
>Cabal women
Funny.

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>>55313374
Does his "light" turn you into an immortal supersoldier blessed with the ability to murder Dark Gods, and steal their shit for yourself, as well as being unbound from the laws of causality? Nooooo? That's what I thought.

so did Variks unite the Fallen in the wake of the Red Legion? and will he ally them with humanity, now that the Traveler is awake again? she seems like she'd give them Guardians if they ask nicely, especially with Savathun or Xivu Arath or whoever coming in for the next shot at Earth.

>loyalist Cabal
>united Fallen, possibly with Guardians of their own
>Guardians
>against more turbo-Hive and angrybots

>>55312750
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Oryx has to take the 'soul' of beings in order to corrupt them into being Taken, yeah?

Because you're going to run into some problems in 40k if that's the case.

>the 40Kids in here losing their shit because there's finally a challenger in the "retardedly op setting no for realz guys so powerful" competition
Hy-larious

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>>55313920

Actually kinda sorta? Though really that sounds a lot more like the Waaagh!

The Traveller isn't just a really big orc or something, is it?

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>>55314240
>The Traveller isn't just a really big orc or something, is it?
>tfw the Traveller is really Gork n' Mork's long-lost cousin twice removed

>>55296045
Yes? The amount of material you have to draw from has no bearing on whether or not it can be called wank. To say otherwise would make it impossible to fanwank works beyond a certain timeframe while also allowing for people to say things like; Peter Parker could solo all of 40k.

>>55314141
Culture, Xelee and even world of Honor Harrington would be better candidates.

The last one may seem like not a contender but it just too straightforward for 40k to work around. Probably only necrons and eldar have enough tricks to stop or evade Weber's missile boats. Everything else just gets blown the fuck out.

Hive is more or less long lost cousin of 40k factions that will fit right in.

>>55295118
If I remember correctly, the specific Vex Mind based on mars that was fighting the Cabal was trying to out-attrition them. This wasn't working out too well as the Cabal weren't breaking under the constant assaults, and were even pushing back taking territory from the vex as well as capturing important vex sites (like the one you use to gain access to the black garden) in an attempt to understand them and exploit possible weaknesses.

So pretty much why the cabal weren't getting fucked as hard as they could have was because the mars vex were incompetent and the cabal military wise were better than the mars vex

>>55314265
If you crack open the traveler it's just a bunch of weird boyz stacked on top of each other

>>55314603
Also as seen here >>55276593 the cabal just don't give a fuck about all the magic shit flying all over the place

>>55277022
>low calibur machine guns
Any Guardian worth the title is shooting a magic gun.

40kek writers have no sense of scale, nor does Destninny's. The guardians of the galazy are chucklefucks with Bungie-approved NATO 7.62 in space.
>m-m-m-m-muh magic boolets tho

>>55313920

So...Celestine?

>>55313920

That's more or less the SOB thing. The ability to no-sell supernatural stuff and 'Come back from the dead' is literally a basic faith power next to 'move more' and 'shoot more'

>>55313859
I mean more so than usual.

>>55314059
It's kind of unclear. He can take Vex, which are brains in a can, and it's debatable if the Hive have souls of their own

>>55318329
He just meant that "taking souls" is not something new to 40k. All eldar live under Slaanesh and the moment one of them drops their guard they lose their souls and their bodies could very well transfrom into some unholy warp abomination.

Demons and even high level cultists do it all the time. Or try to do. Because Emperor (or faith in him) really protects.

Necrons are specifically protected from such things. Trying to rip out a soul of an ork can very well lead to wrestling match with Gork and Mork, in case it succeeds, which is really unlikely considering that orks have incredible resistance to any warp fuckery related to corruption/damage of mind and soul. And Tyranid... Well, good luck trying to wrestle against a soul of a creature whose body is comprised of billions upon billions of other creatures and who seems to have only two emotions - contempt and hatred.

The best bet is probably tau. They have pretty weak understanding of all this soulstuff.

>>55318581
Tau would just shoot him with railguns while being protected by bullshit and asspulls, just like always.

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>>55318581
>contempt and hatred.
The Hive can literally only feel Hate for basically all things, although they 'feel' "love" which is basically a warped version of the concept that still has their Hate flowing through it. Oryx and Savathun is/are still capable of Taking them with ease. Besides, even if Oryx can't take them, he can still blow them away with "Doxology", or just smash them in the fucking face with Willbreaker.

>>55318991
Umm, Tyranid would be basically Darkness 2.0 in Destiny universe.It eats, prepares to eat or plans to eat. Survival of the fittest at its finest. It also hates or ignores everyone else. And it is powerful enough that its mere non-concentrated presence is capable of messing with supernatural abilities of everyone else around its "cells".

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>>55319283
>Umm, Tyranid would be basically Darkness 2.0 in Destiny universe.
No, not really. The Darkness is more of a sapient idea, that doubles as an actual being, as well as a location, as well as the embodiment of the philosophy of utter nihilism and "Might Makes Right". Tyranid haven't got shit on the actual Darkness itself. They would likely be made into harbingers of its will however, if only because they embody everything that it loves within a species.

>The Darkness
>The Light
Destiny was written by toddlers, right?

>>55318581
Well I mean that it wholly depends on how Taking actually works. The lore is kinda wierd, but the fact that most Taken actively want to die and be set free implies that Oryx doesn't actually steal their souls but just snatches them out of reality and enslaves their bodies. Taking Vex strongly implies that the Tyranids or Necron wont be safe

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>>55320478
>The lore is kinda wierd, but the fact that most Taken actively want to die and be set free implies that Oryx doesn't actually steal their souls but just snatches them out of reality and enslaves their bodies
Actually this isn't -quite- right. Most would -definitely- prefer death to being Taken, but those who have actually been Taken aren't in perpetual torment as one might think. They are actually in complete -ecstasy- and that's why their bodies twitch and shudder so horribly. They are in complete and utter bliss, as the Darkness has completed stripped them of all binding structures and moral fibers.
>You are a Hobgoblin. A particle fountain. Your first purpose is to provide energy — to channel power where it is needed for thought. Your second purpose is to eliminate threats to that thought.

>You have been taken.

>Worship this acausal environment. It is the only adaptive response. Think about the final shape, and the exigencies of its creation.

>Your function makes you a priority target. You will be equipped for retaliation.

>Accept the changing blade.

All the wank about acausal shit in this game is pure bluff. Vex, Oryx, etc never actually show any real capability for flexing that sort of power. They just throw spoopy particle effects around.

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>>55320736
>Doesn't know about Doxology, the Templar, the fucking Gorgons, or Atheon itself.
Imagine being this retarded.

>>55319521
If you didn't notice I write Tyranid, not tyranids, because they are not a species per se. It is one single individual decentralised organism. Yes some of its cells do have what lower life-forms consider to be intelligence and are capable, in certain sense, of independent thought. But ultimately they are all part of Tyranid.

If you want to find actual mind behind all these creatures you'll need to look into Warp where you could see its Shadow. And it is hellbent on seeing everything to die or become part of its body.

>>55320782
>spoopy particle effects and debuffs

>>55320782
Erm, but that's like basic shit in 40k. Every interaction between Warp and Materium works more or less through similar means. Minds of sapients form ideas that attract power flows in the Warp depending on how powerful these ideas are and become some from of demon or similar shit. And now when they have power these demons can exert certain force over Materium.

For example of technology using Warp - void shields on Imperium ships work by shunting attacks from realspace into Warp.

On the other hand demons are capable of redefining reality in accordance with their nature (what ideas were in their creation) if there is no will to oppose them. But in 40k almost everyone has at least miniscule amount of resistance to this. Those who have powerful faith (Sisters of Battle), training and willpower (psykers) or other backing and abilities (chaos worshippers, necrons, tyranids, orks) could resist such attempts pretty effectively.

Materium also has a hard "no way, you fag" answer to reality warping fuckery - blanks. Creatures who by their very presence stop any reality bending effects. Though they too have different levels of power and radius of effect - most notorious are Sisters of Silence and Culexus Assassins.

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>>55321008
>Those who have powerful faith (Sisters of Battle), training and willpower (psykers) or other backing and abilities (chaos worshippers, necrons, tyranids, orks) could resist such attempts pretty effectively.
Vex fuckery doesn't work based on the Realm of Souls though. Vex time-fuckery is literally them going "Oh, is this your current Timeline? Your very history and being all written down upon the skein of the cosmos? No, it is no longer. Submit yourself onto the Pattern, and be reforged." They quite literally make the very -concept- of You from all potential realities, with no hopes of you ever being recovered, making it as if you had never existed in the first place... Not even Guardians are immune to their ontological fuckery.

>>55321139
That's just not a thing in 40k. If you want it to work like this you can't crossover it with 40k, because in Warhammer time travel while possible has unpleasant side effects or leads to self-consistent time loops. And reality warping effects are not absolute and always could be opposed, at least in theory.

>>55321241
Considering that the Vex is just superscience/seeming magic through applied technology, don't Necrons already establish a precedent for powerful stuff like that?

>>55319590
If you mean an exec who threw out years worth of writing several months before launch and tried to rewrite it from scratch, yes.

>>55322111
No I mean the general premise is very childish.

Then the actual resuly is awful

I mean ffs, Variks exists. And all of the Ghosts inane lines.
Christ.

>>55322078
They do have some similar achievements. Though Imperium too has some remnants from DAoT that could work on similar level - Mechanicus has them in different vaults waiting for the blackest of days.

>>55314661
>some weirdboyz figured out how to store WAAAAGH! in a ball
>proceeded to katamari it across the battlefield of a major waaagh!
>smashed it into gretchins until it was bigger than squigs
>smashed it into squigs until it was bigger than the boyz
>smashed it into boyz until it was bigger than nobz
>smashed it into nobz until it was bigger than 'noughts
>smashed it into 'noughts until it was bigger than rokz
>it got so heavy it fell into the warp
>punched through the warp
>this was how the third Ork god, Chorks Borkley was born into the destiny universe.

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>>55321241
>Implying the Vex care for logic, or the arbitrary laws of material space.
These are the same beings who have managed to implant their super-structures within the hearts of every star. They likely wouldn't give a singular fuck about how things work for everyone else.

>>55323455
All the stars in the galaxy are already taken by necrons. They can extinguish them by a hand wave. Literally.

>>55265071
>Oryx Dick! What is happeni-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>55276980
>>55276983
>paracasual
You keep using that word, and I don't know what it means.

>>55323707
It means 'lol magic',

>>55323831
But that's just...inconceivable!

>>55323831
I'm still confused.

>>55322152
>No I mean the general premise is very childish.

It's basically Bungie's generic setting outline without the bits filled in or built on like they usually do - you see a lot of similar ideas in Marathon and as far back as Pathways into Darkness or even some of the lore surrounding the "plot" of Gnop!.

Basically things like the Light, Traveller and Darkness are the core concepts that bungie usually develops into the Pfhut or Forerunners/Flood rather than just leaving them without even the veneer of originality applied to them.

>>55314603

Okay, see, that's a good reason for the Vex not timefuckerying the cabal - they're using the cabal as a way of testing attrition warfare, presumably if the cabal ever beat them too hard they'd just swish back to the start of the fight with them with all the knowledge already gained and start again until they have techniques for defeating attrition warfare easily.

>>55323707
>>55323971

Effect precedes cause of the effect - basically waving a hand and using magic to become your greatest foe's dad by retroactively banging his mom.

Which is basically how Oryx works and why she had to be a he to become king of the taken - he basically uses his paracausal abilities to bang each taken's mom and impregnate her so that the taken become his sons and thus are sort of hivey and bound to his will like the rest of his children from the hive, hence why they're now all glowy and shit.

tl;dr: timey wimey miscegenation

>>55324217
So Acausal is where the effect happens regardless of what the cause was.

>>55313882

You don't know, that could have been a female. Females fighting in legions just like males do.

>>55324161
More or less. In the grimore it even says that the rest of the vex aren't happy with the Mars Vex's performance and they are probably gonna get replaced at some point. So at that point if the vex did put another mind in charge of mars they might start using vex science/magic bullshit against them

>>55313882
>The Consul exists

>>55326139
>grimore
>canon

>>55326156
We don't have too much to go off of besides it. Also bothered to actually look up the card on the mars vex.

"Mars is wracked by an ongoing theater-level conflict between the Cabal and a Vex subtype known as the Virgo Prohibition. These aggressive, relentless Vex constantly test the Cabal exclusion zone, apparently heedless of losses.

In spite of the Vex onslaught, the Cabal have managed to expand its beachhead and maintain a hold on several mysterious Vex structures. The Prohibition's tactics seem to be failing in the short run.

But it seems unlikely that an organization with the sheer computational scope of the Vex could be dragged into a losing war of attrition. Is it possible that the Vex are trying to draw out the Cabal strength? Or that their surface losses are a distraction from a deeper strategic ploy?

Ikora Rey has proposed that the Vex units can best be understood as algorithms - each a unique mapping of inputs to behavioral responses. Perhaps the Virgo Prohibition is simply the wrong algorithm for its environment, and its failure will drive the greater Vex network to adapt and improve."

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>>55326156
And what else would they be other than a part of the canon, you cum-guzzling whore?

>>55323455
>>55323529

Oh shi-

>>55327739
They aren't canon.
They're just something to keep the writing team from completely quitting. Friendly reminder that Grimoire is gone as of D2. It's not a thing, bro.
Story is in game, or it's just a cute diversion.

Or did you think Fall of Reach is canon?

>>55320782
And yet this unimaginably terrifying being (whose definition of perception is apparantly limited to sight) is killed by a squad of assault rifle toting chucklefucks

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>>55328202
>And yet this unimaginably terrifying being (whose definition of perception is apparantly limited to sight) is killed by a squad of assault rifle toting chucklefucks
Only if they -perfectly- time their attack, and are in complete sync as they do so, with all their Supers prepped and ready to go. Otherwise, TPK.

>>55328202
Yep. Guardians don't give any fucks, ever. If it can't be killed by a squad of assault rifle toting chucklefucks, they bring in two squads of pulse rifle toting chucklefucks.

>>55263895
The one question I have is: Are they fuckable?

>>55328334
Omnigul is cute af

>>55320651
There are definitely some Grimoire cards that imply that some Taken, especially high ranking ones that retain some individuality, want to die

>>55263895
You have to remember. Doesn't matter what universe your throwing dudes into 40k from, chances are they're going to get raped....brutally

>>55328334
Yeah, but you're going to have a bad time

>>55328334
>>55329390
So, a Slaaneshi cultists whose purpose in life is to fuck everything, EVERYTHING!, and compare experiences. Though he/she is probably a demon prince already. Has a lot of arms and other appendages. Always has a notebook and writes down notes and grades for the current partner.

Every time this fucker is killed Slaanesh casts resurrection.

>>55329390
Unless it's from Xelee in which case a horde of angry neckbeards start screeching

>>55314141
>start another shitty vs thread just to fanwank destiny
>have to throw out some additional low quality bait because no one gives a shit

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40k is quite weak in the grand scheme of things.

The hive would be just as dangerous as chaos or tyranids in small battle,s boarding actions and urban warfare. How would they do in open warfare against tank formations? We don't have enough information to say.

We don't know how fast they travel, though we do know that Hive flagships are nigh indestructible and can eliminate entire fleets with ease. Small hive ships and fighters are fairly typical and would likely trade equally with most 40k space craft. The impact of the hive on the galaxy would depend largely on their ability to move quickly and win space engagements when needed, and we just don't know enough about them.

Considering current events, the hive would probably have a large amount of wiggle room before the imperials could afford to pay any attention beyond a local level. We do know that it is likely champions of khorne would flock to the hive for the sake of novelty skulls.

>>55330425
Considering the new Shreikers anything infantry is fucked, but to solve the Hive problem all you really need is a conventional military with air to ground, artillery, and armoured support.

In Destiny 2 you get a tank in a Hive level and they are literally powerless to stop you unless you're a retard and sit there and get hit.

>>55296348
Didn't the traveller win already and destiny is an ancestor simulation?