Should barbarians be allowed to wear armor? What if they decide

>>55240153
conan wore armor, but i prefer the frazetta barbarian

i make a point about classes in my setting having very striking visual designs, that means the naked oiled look is essential to a barbarian just like a ridiculously huge hat is for a wizard

>>55240153
That poor girl, with light shining through the thigh gap ... her right leg had to be dislocated or disfigured.

>>55240153
>Should barbarians be allowed to wear armor?
If you mean in D&D, then why not?
They always used to, both in real life and in classic editions.
>What if they decide to accept the penalties and do it anyway?
The whole "Barbarians wearing no armor" is just a gameplay mechanic, and a very recent one at that.
>Or do they stop being barbarians if they're fitted out in plate mail?
It depends on the system you're using I guess.

If you have actual D&D-related questions for 5e, ask it in /5eg/.
If you just wanted an excuse to post that picture, start a character image thread.

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>>55240330
I prefer stylization over mechanics too.

Well I don't DM but if I did, my rule would be that a Barbarian taps into their primal self to gain their Barbarian abilities. If they wear armor that isn't hide or leather they can't do that because animals don't wear metal.

>>55240153
> Barbarians not wearing armor
Do you even Celt?

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>>55240359
>If you have actual D&D-related questions for 5e, ask it in /5eg/.
>If you just wanted an excuse to post that picture, start a character image thread.
>only 2 threads allowed on "My TG".

kys

>>55240153
>Should barbarians be allowed to wear armor?
Depends on the person's status in the tribe, the type of armor and how serious they are about fighting.

In certain situations, yes.

>>55240153
The whole naked barbarian meme is way too pauldroncore fantasy for me

5e handled it correctly by giving Barbarians different reasons to use either Medium armor or going unarmored.

I'm perfectly okay with both the archetypes of the Herculean tank and the Panther-like dexterous warrior coexisting.

>>55240520
>>55240535
>The armor and jade

It just dawned on me... is Conan an East-meets-West setting?

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>>55240330
>conan wore armor,
>>55240499

But when Conan wore armor he stopped being a barbarian and became a fighter.

Anyways, Conan isn't the best example because he was really a Thief/Warrior.

Slaine was the true barbarian.

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>>55240374
As do I

>>55240153
I think so.

It's like, just don't make such a big deal about them needing to fight unarmored.

But then again, I also think that you don't need any special game-mechanical distinction between civilized warriors and barbarians, aside from different stat and skill allocations to reflect a different upbringing and values, and perhaps higher combat skills to reflect the greater combat experience of a typical barbarian soldier.

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>>55240596
>Conan the barbarian
>Not a barbarian

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>>55240584

More or less, with its own sort of continental drift. It's somewhere placed before the ice age and the fall of Atlantis, Lemuria and all of that.

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>>55240619
>greater combat experience of a typical barbarian soldier.
Is that actually true? I would think a professional soldier like a Roman legionaire would have far greater combat experience than a barbarian that only fought intermittently.

>>55240652

>Black Kingdoms.

Ha!

>>55240646
You can have a background as a barbarian (savage from outside civilization) and not have the class Barbarian (berserker). One could argue Conan's title there is based on the former.

>>55240374
WE

>>55240660
wouldn't a professional soldier have large amounts of garrisoning time, while a barbarian might be fighting in smaller raids and skirmishes more often?

Obv. depending on the time period of course

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>>55240646

>>55240717
Wait, I thought "barbarian savages" was what you guys WANTED black people to be portrayed as.

>>55240153
>Should barbarians be allowed to wear armor?
>allowed
What makes you think a barbarian is going to listen to you?

>>55240726
>check and mate!

>>55240726

How long before they make Conan the King of his own Kingdom?

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>>55240740
By Crom! He Will!

Maybe barbarians should only be allowed to wear armor they make themselves from the body parts of their fallen enemies or monsters.

>>55240378
That's dumb because then they just wear hides from magical monsters that are functionally identical to heavy armor like dragonplate or Manticore skin or whatever. It's like druids using ironwood shit as a copout

>>55240652
I thought it was after Atlantis but before Aryans conquered India, or was that just the movie?

>>55241191

It's after the fall of Atlantis, but it's not clear before exactly what (ice age, recorded history etc).

>>55240330
>conan wore armor
Hell, Conan wore plate once he rose through the ranks.

>>55240942
He was king in the first story ever published.

>>55240153
Actual barbarians did wear armor. So yes.

Barbarians should be full nude like Celts or Beowulf in the movie

>>55240660
The idea is that a barbarian would be exposed to near-constant violence warfare and raiding. That is as opposed to a civilized soldier who lives peacefully much of his life before serving, then spends most of his service between training and being garrisoned.

And yeah, it does depend on a lot of stuff. I'm picturing the sword-and-sorcery stereotypes more than any particular historical period.

>>55240942
>How long before they make Conan the King of his own Kingdom?
At least 85 years ago.

I'm not an expert on Conan, but "The Phoenix on the Sword" published in Weird Tales in 1932 and featured Conan as king of Aquilonia.

>>55241816
>violence warfare
While this looks like it could be the title of the next triple-A shooter, I meant to write "Tribal Warfare".

>>55241882
I actually thought you forgot to put a comma in there, but "violence warfare" is evoking all kinds of trash images in my mind. Like bad flick from the 90's levels of trash.

>>55242051
The term you are looking for is 'fun'.

>>55240437
>kys
Kill yourself.

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Yes, but it needs to be just as Barbaric as the user.

>>55240737
She doesn't look straight out of a Wyatt Mann comic, so still not good enough.

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>>55242100
That was the wrong picture.

But BARBARIANS none the less.

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Post more barbarians fuckers

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>>55242126
Diablo 3 Barbarians are one of my favorites.

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>>55242151
D3 Barbarian is pretty dope

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>>55242176
When I think "Armored Fantasy Barbarian" D3 Barbarian always comes to mind.

>>55240330
The heaviest kind of armor Conan ever wore was chainmail.

>>55240153
I don't see why not. I assume they just didn't wear armor because they didn't have the resources/knowledge to mine and refine ore. I could see them wear bits and pieces of armor they picked up off of people they killed if the size fit them though.

I am sure they would totally wear armor if they could though. I don't see why they would be opposed to it if the option was offered to them.

>>55240697
I've struggled with this, and come to roughly the same conclusion. In D&D class terms, Conan would not really be a barbarian.

>>55242234
It is outright stated in Black Colossus that they make him wear plate instead of chain.

>>55240652
I'm pretty sure Conan's age is post-sinking-of-Atlantis, because his people, the Cimmerians, are descendants of the survivors of Atlantis who got to the mainland.

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>>55242221
have a bigger version of that pic

>>55242264
Conan is a Barbarian 4/Thief 3/Fighter6
Or something around there.

>>55242314
I stand corrected.

>>55240697
Conan is skilled in so many different kinds of weapons and armor that it is expedient to say Conan is a fighter, probably dual/multiclassed as a thief.

>>55242417
His Rage and savage upbringing are talked about at great lengths though.

>>55242443
Berserker rage was never a factor in his fighting, unless you can find me a source that tells me otherwise.

>>55242354
That sounds about right, and it always seemed Conan rolled pretty all-around good stats to be able to pull off so many classes.

>>55242496
Going by his descriptions he has max physical stats, above average int (he has a talent for languages) and charisma.
Only wisdom might be considered average or slightly bellow.

>>55242563
A lot of heroes tend to have above-average stats in nearly every area. It has a weird relationship with the RPG ideas of game balance or stat rolling.

On the other hand, in older versions of D&D, the idea was that you rolled up characters who were just aspiring adventurers until one of them managed to survive for a while, and that character was the one who stuck. Maybe part of the reason heroes are so legendary is because of lucky rolls.

>>55242234
You do realize that that's some of the heaviest armor there is, right?

>>55240153
>are you checking out my ass?
>>n... no...
>well why the fuck not!? I've worked hard to get my ass looking that good!

>>55242221
>>55242176
>>55242151
>>55242126
But why is it an old guy, I can't self insert. Why does he ship the enchantress and that retarded templar.

>>55240153
Sure, if you wanna go historical there's been people that could be described as barbarians that went into battle anywhere from fully nude to what most anons would consider well armored. If you want to stick to fantasy, well who the hell cares? Your settings barbarians can go to battle in ball gowns and lace for all it actually matters.

>>55240652
So Conan is North African?

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>>55241048
How about armor made of swords.

>>55243064
Because Originally, it was supposed to be the Diablo 2 Barbarian, who got old.

Fem Barbarian was supposed to be his Daughter. But people whined it made the Barbarian "The main character"

>>55240153
Not if she looks like that.

>>55240153
I don't see why not, though I can't see them wearing armor like a knight. Scavenged armor or armor without any shiny bits, solely practical.

>>55242476
Not Quite a Berserker rage, but his Barbarian heritage is often said to fuel his blows.

Alot of "These are not the wild swings of a pictish savage, nor the trained blows of the Aquilonian, Conan strikes with the Controlled Primal Fury of a great hunting cat"

Conan was compared alot to a Big Cat.

>>55243127
I mean it's the celts, the guys who are famous for Woad and pants only combat, are also the guys who invented Chainmail.

>>55243166
Not at all.

Cimmeria is probably central Germany, as the areas north are literally Proto-Vikings in the Vanir and Aesir.

>>55243183
I can see how that would be a problem, either come out clean and say what is supposed to be the story line, or have everyone stay equal. Not that I care about videogame dramas.

>>55243306
It really was a non-issue, and actually raised further problems, because Barbarians are a race in Diablo 3, and were nearly extinct.

All of the classes had their backstories, and Ironically, the Barbarian does not.

>>55240153
>Should barbarians be allowed to wear armor?
Well, no shit. Only a few moments after the first spear was chucked, humanity figured out that putting something between yourself and the spear helps you survive.

You can make them advanced Celt-like barbarians who straight up have chainmail, or just faggots with hides and leather. Don't underestimate thick hides, they can help you survive an arrow or a slash.

If there are barbarians in your setting who have no armor (natural or otherwise), you have a lot of explaining to do. Even fucking African tribesmen figured out how to make wooden shields at least.

>>55240374
>Amazon warrior that relies on personal wit and hand-crafted tools to survive
>still manages to get a terrible boobjob

>>55241679
Actual barbarians meant anyone who wasn't a Roman, so it's pretty meaningless.

>>55243441
It would be hard to do a boobjob with just stone tools, no wonder it didn't turn out great.

>>55243507
And considering silicone shouldn't really be a thing in that setting, her breasts are probably stuffed with the flesh of her enemies.

Yes. The only thing that separates a barbarian from a fighter is that a "barbarian" has extensive knowledge of the outdoors.

>>55240341
>another retard who knows nothing about anatomy assailing everyone with his shitty thoughts

I guarantee you're fat.

>>55243465
Actual barbarians meant anyone who isn't Greek, i.e. someone who "bar bars," or barks in some strange animal language.

>>55243680
Sorry, but the point still holds it's vague to the point of meaninglessness, it's basically anyone who's from a society less advanced(or that is considered less advanced) than the default. If the main society in a setting is spacefaring laser wielders the guy with a machinegun is a barbarian.

>>55243183
>see
He's not the Diablo 2 barb anymore?
I also always kinda figured the canon was that all the classes were there fighting together, at least in D1 and 2. That one Necromancer mentions that he's the disciple of the one from 2.

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>>55240559
>5e handled it correctly by giving Barbarians different reasons to use either Medium armor or going unarmored.

You mean "time to use half-plate armor because that'll be higher AC anyway"?

>>55243166
No. The Mediterranean Sea hadn't formed yet, and the Stygians are pre-egyptians.

>>55240616
There's nowhere near enough porn of red sonja on the internet

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>>55240330
i like big fat hats too.

>>55240652
>More or less, with its own sort of continental drift.
Howard wrote before the continental drift theory was accepted, so instead there have been all these cataclysms that have made landmasses rise and fall. It's stupid/simplistic based on what we know today about tectonic plates, but it was the "accepted" theory at the time he was writing.

>>55240596

It's the classic conundrum, Conan is not a barbarian in DND (or at least has very few levels of that class, I think he did what could be very generously called "rage" perhaps twice in REH stories).

I like DW's Barbarian, honestly, who at the start can perfectly well use armor and is based on being thirsty for glory, loot, violence and general larger than life desires.

>>55243264

Generic celtic regions (tough at that time he didn't care that much for germanic vs celtic).

Personally I link Cimmeria to Wales the most.

>cause honestly I can't see him in a kilt

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>>55245129
You're bad at looking. Well, or you think the number of pics with her tits out and more just aren't enough, even though there are lots.

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>>55242138
Fire and Ice was an amazing film

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>Should barbarians be allowed to wear armor?
Realistic? Yes
Stylized? No

>>55240378
That's dumb. Just keep it simple to the books and stop trying to change it up for no reason or benefits.

They can do wear the armor if they want but they have to accept the penalties. That is what the penalties were put there for. Otherwise the book would say they can't even wear it.

And what if I mulitclass and/or make a barbarian with no agility?

Unless your useing a odd system in which case your an even bigger dumbass for not saying so.

>>55247159
>that picture
I want that

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>Should barbarians be allowed to wear armor?
Realistic? No
Stylized? Yes

>>55240153
Barbarian is a social epithet not a job

>>55240584

the movie, not so much the books unless you count the Near East as "East"

>>55243264
Ironically the Cimmerians themselves were considered a proto-Celtic people by Howard, as evidenced by their deities; Crom (Crom Cruach), Morrigan, Macha, and Nemain, etc.

>>55243183
The Fem Barb is supposed to be one of the blacksmiths from 2 I thought, I think the rogue encampment one or the one from the expansion.

>>55248302
She's too young. It's been twenty years since 2 when three picks up.
>still waiting on word of what happened to Pally, Sorc, and Amazon

>>55242151
>>55242176
>>55242221
He was cooler in Diablo 2.

>>55240341
Fat people arent human

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>>55243044
>Barbarian woman keeps hitting on the nobleman she was hired to protect
>She keeps offending his puritan sensibilities with her straightforward nature, her refusal to wear clothes and her inability to understand the concept of personal space
>She doesn't understand why he wants to bathe separately

>>55240385
You mean the guys that invented fighting naked to get protection from their warrior gods?

barbarian women should be diapered at all times

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>>55241681
U wot m8?
While certain groups within Celtic society did fight naked, the vast majority would wear pants and a helmet, and those who could afford to buy more armor would wear it. The naked guys were for the most part drugged up religious fanatics, and don't represent the average warrior. In a tabletop sense, they'd be a kit or archetype or somesuch, not the base barbarian class.

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Why do barbarians shave their body hair and oil their muscles? Don't these things go against what it means to be a barbarian?

>>55250320
Many celtic groups would use concentrated lye to burn all their body hair off, both for fashion and to discourage lice.

>>55250320
>thinks he can properly do honor to his ancestors
>with unsightly body hair and muscles that don't glisten

Get a load of this decadent city-dweller.

>thinking a nude bear-man hopped up on goofballs with a battleaxe isn't doing his ancestors proud

>>55250122
You are not human?

>>55240153
>Should barbarians be allowed to wear armor?

Well the Romans did.

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Historically barbarians could be surprisingly well kitted out.

>>55250539
You really got him good there anon

>>55240153
Sure, at a penalty.
After all, whats the difference between a fighter and a barbarian if a barbarian is just a fighter with rage.

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I prefer the sexy Saxon look. Northman inspired geometric details, dyed tunic, round shield ad spear.

>>55240153
I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed - but I prefer my barbarians to have their well-oiled muscles on proud display.

My 5e barbarian traipsed about in nothing but a simple loin cloth for years - up until the party defeated the BBEG, and he became a king, of course. In order to fit in with the cultural norms of high dwarven society, he had to upgrade to a much longer, more elegant loin cloth.

He also armor-shamed other barbarians in the setting for their perceived cowardice.

>>55240153
A barbarian living with his barbarian pals in their lands would have less access to metal armor as their people are less developed and poor. A traveling, adventuring, tomb raiding barbarian would be decked in gold and have proper metal armor.

>>55246167
That ass produces an amazing film atop my glans

>>55240697
>>55242264
But the class itself was based off of him. That's akin to saying that Gandalf wouldn't be a real wizard when translated into D&D!

>>55251802
Roland the Paladin would actually be a cavalier in D&D terms, you know.

>>55251802
Well, he was better at fighting with a sword than most D&D wizards I've personally seen.

>>55243379
Yeah, but even the most advanced African kingdoms didn't wear armor because it wasn't that useful in the environment they lived in versus the penalty in mobility it gave them. The Zulu were able to go toe to toe with men armed with rifles due to their tactics, be it through ambush or pure berserk rage, and are perhaps a good example of how a "barbarian" functions in practical terms.

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>>55251802
Gandalf wouldn't be a wizard in DnD, no. Beyond that, Gygax decided Conan was a Fighter/Thief multiclass. Though to be fair, he decided this before Barbarian even existed as a class, or at the time, a subclass of Fighter, as far as I can tell.

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>>55240330
>ridiculously huge hat is for a wizard
but real wizards wear dome caps

>>55250320
You know why.

>>55251869
>animal telepathy
He uses it once and it was more a 'glyph of warding (nature)' rather than telepathy.

>>55251924
Because the chicks dig it.

>>55250625
After seeing all the over-designed shitty barbarian art in this thread it is nice to some nice simple historical uniforms.

Lovin it.

>>55251802

Wasn't there an old /tg/ post explaining that Gandalf was a level 18 fighter?

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>>55251877
I've always preferred funny hairstyles over skullcaps.

>>55250320
Throughout history, cultures that wore revealing clothing also shaved while cultures that didn't wear revealing clothing shaved a lot less.

>>55254218
>>55251877
Wizards are usually high as fuck so any kind of ridiculous headgear is appropriate.

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>>55254657
It is known.

I've always thought D&D barbarians should be played like the ones in every 80s cheapo barbarian film: muscled, oily and with a giant sword.

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I mean, these two blokes are like the Platonic ideal of D&D barbarians. They even have an insane scream to work themselves into a rage.

>>55240153
if they get roughly ten times the HP of everyone else, yeah sure forbid them to wear armor

>>55242984
>>55242563
Real life is MAD. Heroes in mythology and fiction arent just hyper-specialized in one or two stats, but for game balance it doesnt make sense. Thus, trying to make Conan in DnD accurate to the source material brings out the faults of the system. Not that its necessarily bad, just that it doesnt reflect reality like some believe.

>>55247979
There's actually a kind of explanation for this; the real Celtic culture originated in an area of what is now Germany (the Hallstatt-La Tene culture). At the time Howard was writing, the British isles were believed to have been inhabited by "Picts" before the Celts came (we now believe the Pictish peoples were likely a different bunch of Celts). So that's what he based his setup on -- more or less.

>>55243064
>But why is it an old guy, I can't self insert
Well you'll just have to wait until they introduce a fat smelly NEET class.

>>55254938
this movie was pants-on-head retarded. but fuck me, it was pure muscle oiled awesomeness

>>55255132
Well there is Ghom.

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>>55255159
I agree 100% on both points. It ticks nearly every box in classic barbarianing - muscled, oiled barbarians; hot evil witch; mega-evil big bad; his insane sidekick, and bloody hell is Michael Berryman awesome at this.

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>>55255292
>>55243168

>>55241048
Sounds like an excuse to run a Monster Hunter themed game.

>>55255132
>everyone else must be fat like me
nice projecting

>>55248333
Sorc got killed by the Assassin, anon.

>STOP posta
If only, Captcha.

>>55255535
Fine, fine, you can play a goblin or a skeleton.

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>>55240153
I once tricked the party into going to the setting-equivalent of Themiscyra specifically so that I could beat the not!amazon women in fights and then fuck them.

The rest of the table weren't men of culture like me so they kicked me out.

>>55250671
My nigga

Power of the Uterus > gay ass plate

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>>55240153
I like getting creative with what a barbarian might actually mean in terms of the setting - which cultures are on the frontier, etc. Sometimes barbarians can just be trappers and other people on the edge of civilization, not whole tribes - while in other case it can be groups of tribal people, 'uncivilized' groups that don't really have access to the wonders of certain parts of the world, shit like that.

But a barbarian doesn't stop being a barbarian if they wear armor or fancy clothes - being one is a culture, or a state of mind. It'd be like claiming a rogue can be a paladin just by wearing the armor and bearing the holy symbol. At the end of the day he is a rogue in paladin's clothing.

>>55251802
>That's akin to saying that Gandalf wouldn't be a real wizard when translated into D&D!
He wouldn't. He'd be a maiar with levels in bard.

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>>55256346
I've always wanted to play a barbarian that's a proud not!Englishman safari master that fills himself with PATRIOTIC FERVOR instead of rage.

Instead of drawing upon the totems of Wolf, Bear, and Eagle, he calls upon the awesome power of the Empire's finest: Infantry, Cavalry, and Navy, the hands of His Majesty the King.

>>55251877
thats a sorcerer you imbecile

>>55243044
>>55250135
Hnnng! Why is this so hot?

>>55251802
But Conan isn't even a Berseker.

>>55241048
If it was good enough for Hercules,

>>55242100
That picture is so fabulously awful on so many levels, but his tiny cylindrical abdomen is my favorite.

>>55250291
The fat dude is so resentful that they always make him hold the pig standard.

>>55256609
I can already imagine his ferocious battlecries
>God save the Queen!
>For crown and country!
>Rule Britannia!
>I bet the French are behind this!

>>55240374
Same

>>55240359
>Only post questions about X in the X general
Hell no, generals are shitty

>>55250139
Except they did wear bronze armour, more often than fighting in the buff. Doing the nude thing was mostly about intimidation and when it came to really mashing heads they geared up properly.
It's just a pity they sucked as soldiers.

>>55251802
well in D&D wizards are learned yes? but gandalfs powers are inherent in his form not something he learned
gandalf is an angelic sorcerer if anything
and there are scant references to foul human "sorcerers" who learn paltry comparative magics, but in d&d they would be just be really shitty wizards

so there you have it

>>55258916
Are there ANY mythological or classic literary characters that correspond to D&D wizards? People always use Gandalf and Merlin as examples, but clearly they don't fit.

Almost as if the class is just an asspulled excuse for godgaming.

>>55259953
merlin does and doesnt fit depending on the backstory attributed to merlin
there is a whole lot of "learning" implied especially if your in any sort of merlin backdrop with morgan le fay as his apprentice for instance

but with everything shoehorned into and out of d&d
"it depends" "well maybe if you..." and "who the fuck cares" are all the most common true ramble answers you can expect

>>55240949
I fully approve this and want the rules on how to play this. Daddy needs his hobgoblin-hide armor.

>>55259953
D&D wizards are based off the Jack Vance novels, where were pseudo-futuristic novels about being able to memorize mathematical equations that you could fire out, and good wizards could learn a certain number of them per day and your skill was based on how many of the arithmagics you could keep straight at a time. It even had the "You cast the spell and you forget it because the equation flies out of your brain because magic"

>>55240719
"professional" soldiers have experience in formation fighting and stuff like that
barbarians have experience in duels
a gaulish warrior would destroy a legionaire in a 1 on 1 situation

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>>55250671
>saxons
CHRISTOPHER LEE LEND ME YOUR STRENGTH

>>55240153
>hit by arrow
>die immediately
Oh I'm laughing at you armourlets

>>55240949
How do you even move effectively with all that nonsense?
>can't even walk through a door

>>55256143
>Rance is That Guy

>>55240153
Barbarians: Sure
Berzerkers: Of course not

>>55259953
>Almost as if the class is just an asspulled excuse for godgaming.

Implying that that's not the point. You're just jealous because you aren't smart enough to play the magic classes in a game that's explicitly about being the magic classes.

Keep playing objectively wrong, fuckboi. You only make people like me look better by comparison.

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>"I am playing a big buffed dude so does that mean I'm not allowed to wear armor ?"

>"should wearing armor be a bad thing"

>"if I wear this plate armor thingy would that mean I am magically no longer an angry fighting dude/foreigner ?"

>>55259953
Mazirrian the Magnificent.

Also Rhialto & Cabal Friends.

>>55242354
According to AD&D, he is Fighter 15/Thief 10.
Probably a little off, but he was epic level.

>>55259953
None.
Wizards, as-is, really have no business being playable because a huge score of their abilities really have no place being available for PCs.

>>55260333
>>>55240949
>How do you even move effectively with all that nonsense?
>>can't even walk through a door

Fuck doors. That's why.

>>55260272
>pic
I chuckled heartily.

>>55240153
Irl, barbarians actualy created most of the armour the civilised peoples used

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>>55250135
>Implying Barbarian women are not ultra-traditionalists
Why are you all so shit at Barbarians?
Barbarians wear armor if they can afford it and if they're going for practicality, however some will go into battle naked because they perceive it gives them magical powers, especially if they also choose to wear the hide of a predatory animal, such as a bear, wolf, lion, etc.

>>55265519
I >>55265624
Fantasy barbarisch =\= irl barbarians. Almost all fantasy humans are barbarians by the original Definition of the Word but that doesnt mean that "barbarian" as in frazetta isnt a valid meaning for the Word in the context of a fantasy game

>>55252221
Beyond the Black River was the best fucking story in that series dude, holy shit.

>>55265675
Okay, so why have any discussion about Barbarians? They can be whatever anyone wants to be.

That's the answer to 90% of all /tg/ questions anyways. Don't be so boring.

>>55258707
And what archetype is the DND barb? The Bronze age soldier or the pumped up gesetae? The Form is a fighter who happens to be a Gaul, the latter is a barbarian who happens to be a Gaul

>>55255047
>in germany
>hallstatt culture

Ww2 is over gramps

>>55242315
http://hyboria.xoth.net/history/hyborian_age.htm

Here is the original writing of Howard himself, complete with illustrations so you can understand wtf is going on.

This fucking ethnographic essay is easily my favorite thing that Howard ever wrote besides Red Nails.

>>55265705
The evidence certainly supports the idea. The people we think of as "Germanic" only migrated to Germany a few thousand years ago.

>>55255047
Funly enaugh the Le tene culture and their Roman era celtic ofshoots fit the cimerians quite well living in a mountainous place and inventing steel before anyone else. Same with everyone coveting cimmerian steel: real Life Romans used Norric steel for their galdii once they got their Hands on it. Or specifically all their swords were Made in norricum.

The Name cimmerian comes from a people in the near east iirc that clashed with the greeks quite a Bit unr

Romulus and Remus were Barbarians, but their subsequent descendants were fighters. Warriors are Barbarians, Soldiers are Fighters. Barbarians prefer individual/small-scale combat, raiding, skirmishes. They prefer hero-to-hero, champion fights, instead of the mechanized murder of civilized war.

>>55265725
The point is that hallstatt is not in germany and the original hallstatt culture originated in what is now austria, slovenia and Parts of swizerland aswell as southern germany, they then spread to france where they became the Le tenne culture.

It was just geographical nitpicking.

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>>55240153
Barbarians should fight completely naked. Especially female barbarians.

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>>55266264
yea

>>55266319
Those women were still wearing *something*. That was their mistake. The power of nudity is an all-or-nothing kind of thing.

>>55240153
The "role", so to speak, of Barbarians is to HP tank, and to be more agile than the Fighter.
The Barbarian looses some of their abilities so that they aren't just a better fighter. If you want armored barbarians, then Fighters need candy as well.

Thematically, the Barbarian probably has a harder time leaping 60 feet to some dickweed while wearing a gorillion pounds of armor, but honestly the point becomes moot by around 8th level. You could give Barbarians an equivalent to the Pathfinder Fighter thing of ignoring heavier armor penalties, but again, Fighters need something to not just be shittier Barbarians as a result.

>>55240330

I don't like this. It's not WoW where your name and class are floating above your head; people shouldn't be able to look at you and instantly know what all your combat abilities are.

>>55266457
>It's not WoW where your name and class are floating above your head
But maybe that's exactly what he wants to play in?

Like I said, this is the problem with talking about RPGs. They can be anything you want, so arguments are kind of pointless.

>>55241191
>>55241279
The phrase in 'The Nemedian Chronicles', the quote that opens the first Conan story, is paraphrased by Mako at the start of the movie. The second part is 'The rise of the sons of Aryas'. That's a pretty vague statement, doubly so in 1932, and quadruply so when the worldbuilding for the story involves plucking names from the bronze age and throwing them all about the map in places they might not be expected.

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>>55250333
They also bleached their hair and spiked it up with lime. Guy Fieri's spiritual ancestors apparently

>>55265689
>Barbarians better meet my exacting definition, and no other!
>Oh, you have a different definition? YOU'RE the boring close-minded one!

>>55266319
Always been highly curious how long the actual artist would last in a fight.
I mean, clearly being an expert and all.

>>55266798
>being this butthurt

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>>55266788
Again, if they can be anything, why have the thread? Why have any thread about any class? Why have any discussion at all? Also,
everyone hams up their agression in these discussions because it makes it more fun and interesting. The real answer is "Pretty much whatever you want, doesn't really matter."

>>55266811
>Again, if they can be anything, why have the thread?
To talk about which things you like them to be, and why, perhaps?

>>55243247

>Conan was compared alot to a Big Cat.

I cannot thing of a single fucking story where the adjective 'cat-like' is NOT used to describe Conan. What the fuck was UP with that.

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>>55266830
Which is what I was doing.

>>55266858
You didn't have a lot of television in the 50's, so adjective based descriptions meant something more.

>>55265709
Cool, thanks.

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>>55266319

>>55266811
>Also,
>everyone hams up their agression in these discussions because it makes it more fun and interesting.
I am pretty sure that they are hamming up their aggression because this is the barbarian way, and entering berserk rage is important.

>>55250539
Zing!

>>55265624
>Implying Barbarian women are not ultra-traditionalists
Play with it then. Have the barbarian lady mock the "civilized" noblemen for being aroused just by seeing a woman naked, like some sort of pervert.

When a Germanic Barbarian tribe, the Teutons, were defeated by the Romans, the Romans demanded 300 married women become slaves. Rather than face the dishonor of enslavement, all 300 of the women committed suicide- killing their children aswell. To them, if they and their children did not serve their own people, than there was no point to living at all. This exemplifies one aspect of Barbarism; feverish devotion to the 'Tribe'.
Warrior men were the elite of their day, living a high-danger life of constant conflict. Genetically, they would have to be far above average physically. As one's size and strength increases, so does their combat ability, exponentially. This is especially notable, as the average 'Barbarian' would be much taller and larger than the average civilized person, due to both heavier physical activity, and Darwinism favoring the larger and stronger. In addition, the typical Barbarian, though uneducated, would be significantly more intelligent than the typical civilized person. A Barbarian must know how to hunt, fish, identify edible plants and gather them, cut wood and build small structures, make a fire with no tools, make simple tools, and a plethora of other survival and bush-craft skills. The common civilized laborer, even if he were a high-skill one such as a smith or carpenter, would really only need to focus on one profession and a few other skills. The Barbarian also must spend more time moving and navigating, whereas those inhabitants of the civilized world may spend their entire life in one city. The Barbarian knows his history and religion through oral tradition. He must use his mind and speech, instead of using a book. He relies less on technology, and more on his own mind and body.

I am purposefully favoring Barbarians, because of personal taste.

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>>55267585

> be barbarian
> be hyper masculine giant with superior genetics
> get defeated by Etruscan midgets and stabbed to death
> women all commit suicide
> entire civilisation subjugated for centuries
> only win because the Italians party themselves into oblivion and get lazy
> whole of Europe then desperately tries to emulate the glories of Rome for the next 1000 years.
> suckmydignitas.exe

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>>55267716
lol k
Again for the most part im over-emphasizing the whole Varg-esque Barbarian Ubermensch thing for style.

>>55266457
>compare it to an mmo because it doesnt fit my taste

Read up on earthdawn, classes as quasi mythical callings is a strong Part of This setting and I lifted it from there.

>>55267716
>whole of Europe then desperately tries to emulate the glories of Rome for the next 1000 years
Napoleon was 1300 or so years later, so you're being way too modest. And then count in that after that, everyone tried to emulate the Napoleon who tried to emulate Caesar.

>>55267585
If part of being a barbarian is devotion to the tribe, why would a barbarian character adventure?

>>55244052
D1 canon is warrior. Sorc and rogue are shown corrupted in 2.

D2 canon is all were in a party together, like a multi-player session with one of each class. Makes sense they'd need everyone since humans were at their weakest at the time due to the worldstone.

D3 canon, I'm pretty sure, is the class you played. No set canon, except that it was only one person

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>>55267585
Pretty cool senpai

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>>55269681
Many young warrior men would leave their tribes and form warbands. These warbands would roam the land, raiding and plundering, and return part of their riches to their homelands. The Celts, specifically, would often have great meadhalls where warriors looking to establish themselves would use their plundered riches and trade with civilized lands for various luxury goods, such as wine, and then hold feasts, which would bring them fame and respect, which would bring them more warriors for the warband. This cycle might go on until that young warrior finds himself the leader of a new clan. It could even extend to building his own hillfort, or going down in history as a legendary king who fought in great battles.
Celtic and Germanic Barbarians often served as mercenaries in the civilized world, some Gallic warriors even ending up as far away as Judea.
The 'Tribe' can also mean many different things. Throughout both primitive and civilized cultures, there is a common pattern of the 'Mannerbund', a militaristic, sometimes mystical or religious, brotherhood. Berserkers exemplify this. They were a cultish group, with mystical secrets and traditions, with strict rules, but each member was seen as remarkably talented, not only in warfare but also in poetry, music, and other arts. They were feverishly devoted to the gods, and also to eachother. To the common people, and even to the nobility, they were seen as very strange, yet still highly respected. Half warrior, half priest. Such a Berserker, or other warrior-shaman, might wander the world, seeking to glorify his gods and strengthen his bond to his 'spirit-animal' or God. In some ways he would resemble a paladin, with a strict moral code and sacred traditions. Warriors, mystical or not, were also almost always dedicated to a lord above them. And dedicated fiercely. An 'adventurer' may be a champion of a king or chief's army, wandering the world with them.

>>55269681
Just make something up.

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>>55266394
>>55266319
stilettos are the real problem, it is known

>>55240153
>Should barbarians be allowed to wear armor?
Barbarians? Yes. Berserkers? No.
The problem is that most fantasy media suggests that both are one and the same.

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>>55266264
Agreed, but you obv. posted a nude rogue.

>>55270792
Wouldn't a berserker in particular be wearing armor?

I rolled up a Nymph Barbarian who somehow has 20ac buck naked at level 5.

Should I ask my GM for a chainmail bikini or some other form of magic armor that will increase my AC even more without conflicting with my natural defenses?

Also, should I take levels in Paladin? Are Paladin/Barbarians a fun combination in 5e?

>>55270792
>>55271499
I hate to go full Lindybeige, but isn't the word berskerkr a norse term that the French translated as champion?

>>55271580
There are some magical items that will grant you some extra AC as long as you're not wearing armor.

Bracers of Defense give you +2 AC as long as you're not using a shield and not wearing armor... But, then again, talk to your DM about it and see how he feels. He might be totally fine with you having a magic chainmail bikini that is esstienally +1 to your AC while not granting any other bonuses to your armor class.

>>55271706
And monks are mechanically suited for being birthday suited, so if you can make up a sect your GM accepts go for it.

>>55266811
>Bronze Pussy Hat

>>55240341
>its another fat people deny thigh gaps exist episode to deny they're fat episode

>>55267786
>"Again for the most part im over-emphasizing the whole Var"
>Trash collectors are coming tomorrow.

>>55272328
But thigh gaps don't exist /when your legs are crossed/.

Certainly not in a well-muscled individual.

>>55272679
I decided to check for myself, and I can tell that you're fat and in denial.
I have a body fat percentage as close to zero as it gets, but plenty of leg muscles from biking 10-15 kilometers every day for ten years straight, and when I cross my legs even further than on the picture, light comes through even though I'm wearing jeans.

>>55240153
>classes

>>55271621
I think the translation was bear shirt, which indicated a champion.

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>>55256609
I'd want to multiclass as a cynical barbarian/merchant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUHixYn0-WA

>>55271621
The etymology is confused because the words for "bear shirt", as in wearing a bear pelt into battle, and "bare-shirted", as in going half-naked into battle (suggested to be either a mark of heroism or because amanita mushrooms, supposedly eaten to cause a battle rage, cause severe sweating and a rise in body temperature) are almost the same in Old Norse.

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>>55243064
If you're an old barbarian, you must be really fucking good at fighting.

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>>55240153
Barbarians should be allowed to wear armor; the extra mass adds more momentum when they RAGE.

>>55274251
[CLANG]

>>55260333
That's why you make a hole in the wall.

>>55240584
Honestly, its more west meets new-world than anything else what with the huge abandoned temples, and jungles.

>>55240153
Depends. Average barbarians probably shouldnt, but your above-average warlord would probably use some plate. Contrary to memes plate doesnt make you slow or restrict freedom of movement all that much.

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>>55240153
Barbarians can wear armor, why not? Anyone can wear armor even a wizard. There are penalties to wearing armor without training and experience with it compared to someone that has trained in it for years.

You probably can't swim or jump in full plate and climbing is going to be very hard, so is sneaking and running around a battlefield.

A barbarian just wont be as trained in plate mail as a Renaissance knight.

>>55266429
Roles and tanks are MMO mechanics not RPG mechanics. Barbarian is a warrior.

>>55277069
Just casual the terms any came about in the MMO doesn't mean it doesn't apply to pen and papers

The Barbarian was a warrior with lower AC but higher HP then the fighter. The term tank applies.

>>55240153
The word 'berserker' actually comes from 'bear skin'. The berserkers named themselves that way because they deliberately didn't wear anything but bearskin capes into battle to show their devotion to Odin. Given that druids can't carry much worked metal in a lot of settings, there's probably a similar kind of trust in the forces of nature that barbarians are supposed to display.

In cases like that, I'd say a barbarian would definitely lose their special barbarian powers if they donned armor, the same way a paladin would lose special paladin powers if they blasphemed. Whether it's a semipermanent thing requiring a rewilding or just a case of 'Grognar can't fight proper in this crap, Grognar take off' depends on the fluff.

Obviously a lot of barbarian cultures would just be unfamiliar with armour and a barbarian from those setting could just use it untrained.

>>55266394
I thought the joke was that the armored one is a girl, hence the immunity.

>>55279189
I'd rather it be something that simply inhibits their style of combat rather than supernatural forces taking away a part of their being. As such, there might be a few niche cases where a Barbarian would want to temporarily use armour (chargning a position of archers who would go down like wet tissue paper regardless of the penalty the armor gives them while said armor protects them from becoming a pincushin) without making armored or unarmored barbs superior. Make it a situational thing.

>>55278792
No it doesn't, there weren't tank mechanics in those days. They got per level 1.5 more hp than fighters and 2.5 hp more than cleric. It's not a defining feature.

The original barbarian kits rewarded superstition and their personal experience awards came from destroying magic items and killing wizards. They had kits like berserker and mage slayer, they could go berserk and ignore most charm and death magic until end of combat but it hides their health. In 3.5 they quickly passed the massive damage threshold so they could insta kill.

But hey if that's how you describe a "tank" whatever floats your boat or toots your horn.

>>55279577
No it doesn't, there weren't tank mechanics in those days. They got per level 1.5 more hp than fighters and 2.5 hp more than cleric. It's not a defining feature.

It made a been a raw trade but the Barbarian is defined as being bold big and beefy. They were only class to use 1d12.They were the best an taking a hits. That fill the definition of Tank in my book, I don't know what is. Care to elaborate more?

>The original barbarian kits rewarded superstition and their personal experience awards came from destroying magic items and killing wizards. They had kits like berserker and mage slayer, they could go berserk and ignore most charm and death magic until end of combat but it hides their health. In 3.5 they quickly passed the massive damage threshold so they could insta kill.

I like that. They are anti wizard.

>>55279868
My point is they are not tanks they don't defend other characters. In fact I don't think any classes in old school games ever had that focus until 4th edition.

They're untamed front line warriors akin to throwing a molotov cocktail into a skirmish. Their old rage mechanics had a chance they would attack their allies too. If you want to use MMO "roles" they're dps like every other class. You have the dps that uses a sword, the dps that heals and has magic, the dps that summons and has damage magic, the dps that has magic and shapechanges, the dps that scouts and backstabs. Barbarian is the dps that recklessly smashes everything with little regard to how hurt they get until their adrenaline runs out.

I don't know in which game they stood around and said "I say old chap, yes you there, attack me, don't attack them, I'm the one you want, huzzah let me forgo damage to absorb your hits while my companions can abuse your dumb AI for extra damage!"

Only thing I know with mechanics like that was the 3.5 knight class and some knight prestige classes.

>>55266788
Welcome to liberal America. Don't forget to pick up your "My side or your my enemy," T-shirt on the way through. Vote Democrat.

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>>55280156
Incorrect. They had no slang name for it, but you put your fighters in the front to take hits in every dungeon ever entered. Low AC and high Hit Die were key. Dwarves preferred, easier to fire over their heads (though truth told that only mattered to hardcore DMs).

You are obviously a noobtard. Get back to lurking. I suggest here >>55257513
to learn yourself a thing or two.

>>55280156
>My point is they are not tanks they don't defend other characters. In fact I don't think any classes in old school games ever had that focus until 4th edition.

4e is simply the edition that came out explicitly used the terms like defender and the like.

You're right Barbarians leaned more into DSP compare to other warrior classes like but they were still meat shields. Simply making sure there was a guy who could take a few hits between the monsters and the Wizard is old school dungeon crawl fundamentals.

>>55280520
I suggest you actually read the books and play the games before trying to appear authoritative. They could take damage but their purpose was never to take damage.

>>55280831
Most classes had more hp than wizard but wizard defenses got quite high towards end game that there's no reason to think they needed a meat shield. The wizard hiding behind others at low levels had more to do with early game wizard weaknesses than with the features of the mechanics of the classes they hid behind. It also had to do with wizard spells being highly disruptable when hit in early editions rather than the tactics that form the basis of MMO design.

>>55254160
i would love to read this.

>>55247159
I can only get so erect.

>>55245795
>>55245129
>>55240616
Sonja does not need armor
She is one of those rare people that is simply a natural born killer.
Combined with the fact that most men she fights don't want to kill her because they want to fuck her afterwards and her absolute lack of restraint and she's walking death.
If she were a man, she would have a hundred bastards by the time she was twenty

>>55254397
Shaving anything but your head or face has literally never existed anywhere in world history before the early-mid 1900's

>>55281945
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're joking.

>>55266994
This would come off as a lot less pathetic if the art wasn't so shitty and it didn't seem like a butthurt manchild desperately trying to scribble an asspained response to his microdick fantasies being laughed at by someone that can actually draw.

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>>55240153
I've always loved Bisley's art.

He did great work on the Death Dealer comic, managed to capture something of the essence of Frazetta's work

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>>55282906
Have you read the Celtic barbarian stories he drew, aka Slaine from 2000AD?

>>55250539
172cm/76kg here, can confirm that i'm a fucking ape

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>>55283560
Of course

I got turned on to the Slaine comics after I heard where the band The Lord Weird Slough Feg got their name

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0bp10rwZpc

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>>55240740
Best answer

>>55260333
>How do you even move effectively with all that nonsense?
The fact this bitch *can* move and kill in this nonsense makes her only more scary to face

>>55250320
Because the hair gets caught in chain-pants

>>55274251
I think Guts is a really angry Fighter, zerkering only in skull's armor

>>55279868

Except you are forgetting that a Barbarian's entire trick is to suddenly grow an extra 3-30 HP when they flip their shit.

>>55280156
So Barbarians and Wizards are equally good choices for taking damage back in the good ol' days when men were men, and parties didn't have any of these gosh darned roles the kids keep talking about these days?
Nevermind what Attacks of Opportunity do to the battlefield, never mind the fact that the nasty has to walk all the way over there through the Barbarian to smash the wizard, both targets are equally valid, and equally effective to hit. Monsters just flip some of the gold on their loot table when it comes time to decide what they attack.

>>55250320
Hair gets caught in armor and armor padding. Hell, it gets caught in modern clothing. Oiling your body means you can't be grabbed and stabbed.

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>>55284991
>Oiling your body means you can't be grabbed and stabbed

It also means you look good whilst treading the jeweled thrones of the world under your sandalled feet.

>>55286625
>deathstalker
Ah the good old days of movies made to contractually include a huge amount of tits per hour.

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>>55260189

Say that to my face filthy Gaul!

>>55241816
>The idea is that a barbarian would be exposed to near-constant violence warfare and raiding. That is as opposed to a civilized soldier who lives peacefully much of his life before serving, then spends most of his service between training and being garrisoned.

This bugs me, because there's a difference between a farmer that is used to picking up a spear and defend his houshold against half-naked cattle thieves, to a professional soldier that seldom fights but spends most of his time drilling properly and regularly

90% of barbarian armies that the romans faced were composed of the former, that's why they got curbstomped everytime they met on even ground

>>55286837
I can't hear you over your screaming about "muh Legions! Give me back MUH LEGIONS!" I know their Germanic, but I couldn't resist

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>>55287126
>forget picture like a retard
I bring shame to my family and ancestors. I'll commit Sudoku this eve.

>>55287078
You are implying that there was no such thing as a professional barbarian warrior, which is completely false. The entire upper class was composed of elite warriors. That's why the Romans took on so many barbarian warriors as mercenaries in their armies.

>90% of barbarian armies that the romans faced were composed of the former, that's why they got curbstomped everytime they met on even ground

Oh, you're just historically illiterate. Okay.

>>55240153
Barbarians should want to act first, heavy armor should give an initiative penalty.

>>55240153
barbarian just means one who doesn't speak the native language, sure they can have armor if their civilization is advanced enough. I am not going to try to balance that though.

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>>55283689

Why separate barbarian and fighter as different class? Shouldn't Barbarian be a fighter archetype or something?

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>>55287612

>>55287612
>Shouldn't Barbarian be a fighter archetype or something?
It started out like that, and in my opinion should have stayed that way.

I think the same thing for rangers too. Thief/Rogue/Ninja/etc could be replaced by having a better generalized stealth/sneak-attack mechanic and a fighter specialization.

>>55254160
Fighter with 18 int I think it was.

>>55287612
Don't they technically have different roles? Fighters act as meatshields and are meant to tank damage, Barbarians are meant to dish out damage.

>>55240153
I don't know about barbarians and armor, but that chick should definitely not be allowed to wear pants.

>>55287612
Originally Barbarian was an archetype any non-educated class could take to say they were uncivilized and used to roughing it.
Berserker was a fighter archetype that said they could rouse themselves into a battle-fury that gave a combination of offensive and defensive boons at the cost of not being able to use ranged weapons, cast spells, or focus on non-combative actions while amidst the fury.

>>55287822
Berserkers are quite durable and resistant to damage, depending on which edition of berserker/barbarian they even got loads of bonus HP while enraged. The difference between fighter and barbarian has typically been versatility versus smashing everything to death.

>>55287612
Barbarian used to be a AD&D 1E class that was focused on leading hordes of barbarians, destroying magic items and killing wizards. It was later turned into a 2E kit for Fighters.

Berserker was a 2E Fighter kit that traded heavy armor for rage and damage

Then when 3E was being made someone had a 'bright' idea to take the latter, call it the former and pretend that's how it always was

>>55268270

comparing tit to an MMO because it feels arbitrarily limiting and removes agency. I think thats a good reason to do so. If my thief has to wear a thief hood all the time so everyone knows he's a thief, he can't be a very good thief, now, can he?

>>55288703
And the 1E barbarian couldn't associate with clerics or magic-users until he hit a certain level. Sucks to be the tribal priest, I guess.

>>55266319
wow really makes you... fuck, dat ass.

>>55240949
>first level barbarians have ratskin armor.

I like this.

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>>55240682
*Kangdoms