"Revivalists" edition Faction Stat Card Almanac:

>>55211560
the subject field is the other box

Has anyone played Mcmourning with his new upgrade to see if Academic or Beast Mcmourning is better?

>>55212041
You don't have to choose, its and/or

>>55212163
huh, must have misread, that creates some interesting combo ideas in terms of things that work with poison.

Does Malifaux have any plot?
All I can find online is really basic stuff
Really want to start collecting/playing
The models look cool and playing with cards seems like a great way to get immersed but I really need to know a good bit about the universe and story before starting a miniature game

>>55212447

Yes, there's an ongoing narrative. It's primarily in the rulebooks, with world-building via Wyrd's bimonthly e-zine and the rulebooks for the Through the Breach roleplaying game.

There's quite a bit to the setting actually.

>>55212502

lol, I still didn't fix the name. I'm the worst.

>>55212502
could you give me a quick rundown of the plot then?
I don't really want to buy a rulebook to then be like "oh, turns out i don't like the plot. guess that's money i'll never see again"

>>55212604

It's basically about humanity's efforts to colonize the alternate dimension of Malifaux, while fighting itself and the natives (the Neverborn and Gremlins). Added wrinkles include the Tyrants, spirits of powerful beings that nearly achieved apotheosis in ancient Malifaux, attempting to rise again while the Neverborn pit humanity against them. And the Grave Spirit, embodiment of the concept of Death, teaching Necromancy to humans through eldritch whispers as it attempts to do more than slowly seep into Malifaux through cracks in reality.

There's many personal narratives running through all of this, ranging from the playable characters to average citizens just trying to survive another day.

Hamelin just won at NOVA apparently.

>OP is stupid enough to fuck up writing in a subject
Sasuga. And people wonder why some threads don't hit bump limit.

>>55212604
You can always shamelessly pirate the PDFs (Links in the OP) and see if you like it. There is also The Breachside Broadcast which is the audiobook version of a lot of the stories in the rulebooks.

>>55212824
Whatever. As long as it's still searchable, why does it matter?

I think McMourning is my favorite character, personally. His stories are pretty entertaining, veering between Frankenstein and Young Frankenstein. It kind of catches you by surprise when he does something legitimately evil.

So boxes often come with three dudes but players typically don't feel three of them at the same time.
Why do I see players build all three? Why not just sell the extra? Options?

>>55215376
For the possibility that you will run three, and of course pose variety. For summoners the three poses aren't even enough to avoid identical twins. And they do sell some guys in two or even one packs. For instance they cut down the Draugr and now apparently the Kentaroi to two a box rather than three, as that is realistically the most you will use in a game.

>>55215412
>as that is realistically the most you will use in a game.
Tell that to my five Kentaroi Nico list.

>>55213140
Him and Somer for me. Lucius and Nico get a lot of points in my book for pimpness.

Perhaps continuing the McMourning talk from last thread, what kind of combos do you like for him in Ressers? There's obvious synergistic pieces, like his thematic models and Rafkin, but anything in particular you like to do? Unusual hires?

>>55215657

I do like that Lucius took a massive kick to the balls in the lore lately. Interested to see how he bounces back; it's nice to have the characters that seem to have their fingers in every pie and always be one step ahead get put on the backfoot every now and then.

Shame with Zoraida, after Broken Promises.

>tfw painting a little bit of Malifaux each day
>tfw haven't played in months
The locals just aren't my kind of people. A bit of a shame.

>>55211611
It's possibly a meme at this point, I mean, Malifaux isn't exactly new player friendly, from an inreractions and mechanics standpoint

>>55216235

No, this is OP. I can confirm I'm just a complete retard.

>>55212521
You might also want to put it in the title next time.

Any ETA for the Broken Promises PDF?

>>55216248
just put it in all fields next time

>>55216375

I think the PDF is out in a month or two?

Lore question, exactly what is Hoffman's relationship with the Arcanists? He's not tied closely enough to be dual-faction but then there's Arcanist Assets. In the stories I've seen so far he seems vaguely antagonistic towards them.

>>55216786
Iirc, his brother ryle had the arcanist connections.
Ramos is the one who "saved" Ryle turning his into the monster he is now. That's the big train for the bad blood between them.

>>55217167
>train
Reason
Fuck you phone

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>>55212734
Depressing, isn't it?
Still, maybe GG18 will go some wayto fixing htat.
I don't really see how, but maybe.

>>55215376
I've got loads of models painted that will never see the table.
The hobby side of it is just as important.

>>55216212
How so?
Are they so obnoxious you can't stand them for three hours a month?

>>55216235
Shit, I did it too when I made a General last week.
I expected the box that came first to be the one I was aiming for.

>>55217167
>>55217179
And yet not really an inappropriate typo, given that that is where most of the fun happened.
I'd always got the impression that it was less 'Arcanist Assets' and more 'Arcanists have the most robot constructs, rather than just construct constructs'.

>>55216786
Ryle had the Arcanist ties, I think the reason they came to malifaux in the first place was because Ryle hoped there could be someone to help Charles, but thanks to Anna Lovelace Ryle nearly died on the crossing. Ramos saved his life with a crapton of augments that pretty much kept his body going while hopefully his mind heals, but as of Ripples of fate it doesn't look like he's going to get better.
The arcanist robots he can hire are all M&SU, it's more as the head of the amalgamation devision he has the authority to requisition any mining robots, and Ramos would want Hoffs talents on his side, so would probably make the union grant any requests Hoffman put in, so there would probably be very little resistance when Hoffman wants to use them.

>>55217179
>>train
>fuck you phone
I think your phone knows a bit more about the lore than it lets on

>tfw your gencon order still hasn't left the USA yet.
waiting for stuff is the worst

>>55219717
I know right. I once had to hold hands with a family member as they died, but that was nothing compared to waiting on vacation Malifaux shipment.

>>55217459

I dunno, any GG18 changes that might tone Hamelin down seem more than compensated for by his new upgrades.

>>55220728
>new upgrades
Yeah I'm not sure what the fuck they were thinking.

>>55222403
>I'm not sure what the fuck they were thinking.
More rats.

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>>55220728
>>55222403
That one in particular was egregiously bullshit.

Any Hoffman players here? I'm curious what models and combos you like with him.

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>>55223572
I've actually just bought him, but I've played a few games against him and he looks like he works very well with just his box crew.
The Hunters in particular are solid (though at 7ss they should be).
Add an extra Watcher or a Guild Hound (or Guard, I guess) and a Peacekeeper and you should be golden.

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>>55223572
>>55223641
I get the impression that Hoffman is one of those that is a bit too fiddly and it's not necessarily obvious the way that his crew is broken, so he's not been 'cracked' yet, sort of like Guild McMourning.

Havign said that, the "no ignoring armour" thing on the new upgrade is probably going to bring him back.

>>55223956
I think Hoffman is in a weird place, with a sturdy, but not particular fast or punchy or schemey crew. Lots of armor and heals but not nearly as impressive offensively.

Who's the better leader out of Seamus, Nicodem and Yan Lo?

>>55224052
Each of them does their own thing, but probably Nico for a competent player.

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>>55224021
He's tank as all fuck though.
Not sure how GG18 will shake out, but he was a pain in Extraction - once his crew get to the middle, they do not leave, and the damage output is respectable even if not amazing.
The Watchers can usually do teh easy marker-based schemes.

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The Oiran look fucking amazing, but how well do they do in the game? By the looks of it, they seem to be a good support character to leaders that aren't specialised in combat.

>>55225012
meh/10
They're ok but there are better and cheaper options for whatever you'd want to use them for

>>55225031
Such as? I'm open to suggestions but probably wanna pick up a pack anyway just because of the look

>>55225012
With TT at least they aren't very useful, with their damage output being pitiful and their lures needing to be suited. The lures are better of being used on your own guys, if ever. That said if you can have someone like Yamaziko carry Smoke & Shadows, they can be much more useful as they are the cheapest models that can make use of said upgrade. It helps you block off areas of the board, but their applicability is very much not an every game thing.

>>55225040
>look
They do look swank. If nothing else that work as alternate performers/belles.

>>55225855
I think there going to be pretty solid work Seamus. With Belles doing the luring there got a good chance of making use of their 2 action.

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>>55225012
Folks seem to ignore the fact that they are Disguised with an 8" charge.
That's pretty good for locking something down for a turn or two from a surprisingly long range.

If you need to control where the engagment happens, charge their frontline early to pin it in place, and if you survive until next turn Lure your own beaters upfield to keep it there.

Even better, if you have a high Mask(?) you can hit their trigger that stops the target from attacking her back, adding to the survivability.

Think Ramos will actually run either of his new upgrades?

>>55225040
As support models? Low River Monks with The Peaceful Waters. You aren't going to focus on hitting dudes with them due to them not having a damaging attack. Rather you can remove conditions, tank up easily, heal from a good distance away, and even get a free scheme marker to go with that heal. They are only 4 stones too. TT Bros are also a good pick, as while they won't be hitting dudes too often, they have a ton of versitality and can tie up models and tank easily. Being able to stop your markers from being removed helps as well.

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>>55228051
Apparently the Leviathan Generator is pretty handy for expanding his battlefield role past being a spider expert.
Means his lighting becomes more useful at about the time in the game you want to start using it.
And the bonus to Ca means he can save the face cards for duels and still summon 3 Arachnids.

>>55229982

I'm certainly interested. I like Ramos in theory but how 'solved' his playstyle has become is a bit of a put off.

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Will Ramos ever fix his giant mech spider he used to destroy Kythera in book 1?

>>55232168

He's been working on it since book 4. One of his new upgrades in book 5, the aforementioned Leviathan Generator, is utilizing it.

>>55232168
Well seeing as how he's in prison currently, it will be awhile.

>>55232175
I think he's been working on getting it back up and running since book 2.
I think it was good master plan in the same way Nico's was to speak build an unstoppable undead army.

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>>55232270
>>55232168
I can't wait for theThunders to spoil everythingjust as he's poised at the moment of triumph.

>>55232182
As the number one Ramos fanboy I'm glad something is finally not going just as planned for Ramos. He's been a little too perfect in all dealings. It also gives Toni some much needed character and her own story, of which she was lacking.

Though at the same time, her buying freedom for everyone thanks to the good graces of the helpful white man is distasteful in its own way.

>>55233938
Naw fuck the ten thunders. They have no reason to be the force they are in The setting other than an attempt to get more weaboo bucks.

I want the new governor to make them a priority and crush them

>>55234000
Meh. Ramos had his fingers in a lot of pies, but it didn't seem to be getting him anywhere. The guild was very much aware that the MSU was an arcanist front, and he's been trying and failing to get his giant spider up and running again for half a decade now with no success.

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>>55234050
He (was) a known active mafia boss with a sideline in constructing doomsday weapons, previously untouchable.
That's fairly somehwere.

Now obviously things are different, but Tony Soprano was getting somewhere.

>>55234017
They are as powerful as they are because nobody knew about them. In book 2 I think hamelin works out they exist but nobody else really knew save probably lucius. Over time they have gotten more and more attention, lucius definitely knew by book 3 but the majority of the guild still didnt but after misaki fought against nicos horde it almost outed them.

>>55234136
>untouchable
I think he was more secretive than untouchable. I don't think he was walking around out in the open without fear of reprisal.

That aside I don't think he was really getting anywhere. No populist uprisings, insurrections or any real shows of strength other than occasionally being a thorn in the guild's side.

My backlog is too big to paint and I cant get better swapping between too many masters. I am going to shelve all my models somewhere and play gremlins till I git gud, focusing on only one master and building/painting everything before I use it. I dont want to play somer, brew, zoraida or zipp to start. So should I go mah, ulix, wong or ophelia? Ulix get no real use around the gremlins I know so they seem the best choice to me, simple to paint pigs and bringing sething new to my local.

>>55234175
>They are as powerful as they are because nobody knew about them.
Which is dumb. They're a criminal organization. You can't sell protection, extortion or do any of the major things you need to as an organized crime syndicate without trading on your reputation. You can't have a sinister reputation and also be a complete unknown.

Maybe the fluff is just bad for trying to point them as both Yakuza/tong/triad and super secret ninja clan.

>>55234201
He wasnt powerful in malifaux or innocence but the msu and by extension him literally ran most towns.

>>55234230
Ulix is good, and fun. Ophelia is a bit behind the curve, and the new upgrades didn't help a lot, but a pay straight forward beater.

Mah is so bad it's absurd. Pretty much every henchmen in the game would be significantly better than her if they had an the extra ap.

>>55234240
>msu and by extension him literally ran most towns.
Gotta source on that?
I could see most mining towns.

>>55234232
Its about compartmentalization. Everyone knew about the scary brilliance dealers, the asian gangs, the asian ressurs, mccabe's notoriety etc its just nobody put them together. Hamelin for example found out about the thunders because he saw a torakage working for lynch, he knew of both forces seperately. The yakuza and the ninjas etc are all seperate branches seemingly unconnected but with the ten thunders in the shadows.

>>55234280
Almost every town is a mining town. TTB fatemasters and Into the Steam

>>55234280
Also that story from chronicles were levi is hired by ramos and rusty tries to fuck ramos and he is mortified.

Can anyone post link to new Arcanist upgrades? Links I had before are not working :(

>>55234293
>>55234299
Maybe that's why I got a significantly different impression. I have only read the guild in the core rule books not ttb or Chronicles.

>>55215585
I see you are a man of culture too.

I'm also planning to run 3 with Molly, Mortimer + a crooligan for fresh meat fuckery and a turn 1 alpha strike.

>>55234268
Mah's new upgrade has fixed her, she's no longer card intensive and doesn't have the obnoxious 1" ML anymore. She can push 14" per turn between one of her (0) actions and get off my land. She is flat out the most mobile beater master in the game now.

>>55234547
That just makes her 70 percent of mcmournings speed.

Okay sounds like my underdog gremlin restart is down to ulix or mah. What does each crew want to start with? I was thinking ulix, piglets and taxidermy for a ulix starter. Expand into burt, gracie and slop hauler.

>>55234664
Guess there arent a lot of ulix or mah players here.

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>>55234664
If you pick Mah you want to get Rooster riders + Slop Haulers first. If you can get your hands on Fingers too he is THE best scheme runner you can get your hands on. Last but not least, get Burt + an Iron Skeeter ASAP.

>>55235083
Are there no alternatives to roosters now they are nerfed?

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>>55235083
>Fingers too he is THE best scheme runner you can get your hands on
Best single model?
Probably.
Best 12ss?
Questionable.

>>55235246
If you think the nerf makes them unplayable you are horribly mistaken.

Mah can throw them up the field with her pushes on turn 1, they are a guided missile/distraction while Mah and the rest of the crew get in to position turn 1/2.

>>55235266
Why is he 12ss? What upgrades are you taking on him? He's 10ss base. I generally don't run any one him with Mah, drinking problem doesn't go on Fingers in a Mah crew, for obvious reasons.

>>55234299
>Also that story from chronicles were levi is hired by ramos and rusty tries to fuck ramos and he is mortified.

What.

Please bear with the idiot here. Is the Through the Breach 2E Core Rulebook available for download? I can't find it anywhere.

>>55234664
I played solo Ulix for my last tournament.

2 boxes of Piglets, 2 War Pigs (I usually start with 3 Piglets on board but you could do less). Slop Haulers, The Sow, optionally Gracie and Burt Jensen.

Haven't tried taxidermy yet even though I have the models, might be good too.

>>55236211
Came in second too (albeit we only had like 8-10 players and we made a crucial play error in the last game, I'd have probably lost if not for that)

Ulix is amazing in scheme marker heavy pools. The reason for this is corn Husks, an incredible upgrade (which goes on Old Major, mind you) that gives Piglets (0) action interacts and allows Pigs of all shapes and sizes to remove nearby scheme markers at the end of their activation to heal themselves up.

Ulix plays a volatile game, what with Pig triggers giving you tons of options (I pushed the enemy Kaeris out of my deployment zone in the last turn of the second game with Penelope and a Piglet, which won me the game). He's certainly good and fun, but has some counters which is why I'd recommend using and learning another master in conjunction with him. Anything that prevents charges makes for a very sad Pig army.

>>55235625
They take a while to put PDFs up, as a way to encourage people to buy the books from stores.

>>55236366
I literally don't have room. Do you know how long the delay usually is?

>>55236371
Based on the ripples of Fate pdf release last year probably sometime this month or next

>>55236426
Thanks, I'll keep my eyes peeled.

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>>55236211
How many piglets do you normally used? I am trying to see if I can get away with one box and the extra piglet from the hog whisperer box.

Today I walk into a thread I know nothing about and see how confused I can get.

>How many piglets do you normally use?

An excellent start!

>>55235488
Not unplayable, just i assumed there were now alternatives to them and wanted to explore those.

>>55236689
The real question is piglets, stuffed piglets or flying piglets. Personally I'm beginning to think flying piglets have a place, especially if you use a taxidermist's "never happen" ability to give them flight.

>>55236689
Just wait until you find out you can play a gang of zombie hookers...

>>55236547
>>55236689
4-5 are quite likely, though it really depends on your play style. The 2nd War Pig is less crucial, although still nice to have. I'd say try it out for a while, and see how many you end up with. Especially if you use the Sow (which is very good, but Gracie presumably performs a similar job, I haven't had her until now) having 2 extra piglets on hand that spawn when she dies is good. 4 seems like the bare operable minimum, but you should be fine.

The real shame is that the Boars that come with his box are rather subpar (at least with Ulix, they're ostensibly good with Zoraida).
>>55236780
This guy raises a good point, although I feel Piglets and Exploding Piglets perform entirely different roles. I have no experience with Flying Piglets, they may well change his playstyle a bit (though having looked at the card, I dunno about that).

>>55234000
Yeah, but that kind of stuff always comes at the good graces of the helpful (insert non-opposed class here). It's not like emancipation or voting rights would have been secured in the real world without the good graces of some white men.

>>55236860
Just as often its through violent uprising.

>>55236547
Oh, and another thing.

Despite appearances Hog Whisperers aren't really that amazing with Ulix, you already have 2 models with a large calming aura and Old Major prevents them from charging each other anyways.

They're a better fit if you're importing Pigs into a non-public master crew (and even then they're iffy, Ulix truly does it best). If you haven't bought them yet I'd say you're better served just getting another box of Piglets

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>>55235488
I have no idea why he's 12ss.
He's more reasonable at 9ss, but he's still not three activations per turn.
I fully support people taking him instead of spamming Bayous though.

>>55233938
Misaki just spoiled everything for the Thunders. I'm guessing this is Wyrd's easy out to make the TT start failing once in a while.

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>>55237111
>He's more reasonable at 9ss
Holy shit I'm retarded.
I mean 10ss.

>>55237040
How are swine cursed with Ulix? Haven't played in long time and the other gremlin player is strictly Somer

>>55237509
Doesn't somer have both pig and gremlin synergies? Though his pig synergy is less than ulix i would expect somer would use swine cursed.

>>55237509
>>55237657

Swine Cursed, though this is only from what I've heard, are great with Wong, and passable with Ulix. You can certainly include one, but that's probably your flex spot.

Somer can do pig lists, but in a purist sense Ulix just does it better. He has other strengths, but Somer is not the pig master. (Again, mostly hearsay and theory craft, I'm an Arcanist/TT player who got a great deal on a Ulix crew).

>>55237927
Tossed Feed looks just as good as if not better than disembodied sooey to me.

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Finaly the first of 3 is painted...I will post some more pics.

Btw. Has anybody painted mirrors before? I just did what you see and put a glossvarnish on top of it, but I am not quite satisfied...

>>55238028
Somer is a good pig master. A lot of Somer slots resolved around being able to change from gremlin spam to pig spam if the need arose.

It's less common now, since Ulix was added and has significantly more pig synergy.

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>>55238441
>>55238460
Looks good.

Apart from smoothing and gluing aluminium foil over the surface, then a thick clear gloss varnish, I have no idea how to do a mirror.

A quick ze googles shows nothing useful.

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>>55238441
>>55238460
>>55238500

>>55238533

Also crop your photos holy shit.

>>55238533
>Apart from smoothing and gluing aluminium foil over the surface, then a thick clear gloss varnish,
That actually sounds like a good plan to me.

>>55238480
Does he? Pigs fucking love triggers and his do it like dis is fucking amazing, Tossed Feed is amazing action economy with even just 2 pigs, let alone 3-4. then remember that whilst lenny can give rams its only in a 3 inch aura where do it like dis is 8 inches so your pigs can declare rampage over and over, since they don't have to worry about "once per activation" when its not their activation. Wild Boars would be the best choice for this due to + flips outside activation, relatively cheap cost and being able to "eat your fill" with no fear.

>>55238939
The issue is multifold, for instance, Piglets aren't great at punching through DF with their meagre MI of 4, and War Pigs are usually too costly to be bought, rather than summoned.

This changes through + flips on charges, which Old Major can hand out. I'm not arguing Somer can't do pigs, but Ulix is generally better suited to a Pig heavy list, whereas Somer may prefer a smattering along with some other models.

>>55211560
How would you rate the Effigies from best to worst?

>>55238939
I think the issue is that it's a very small crew at that point that needs to huddle in the middle.

If it's a moshpit, I can definitely see what you are talking about.

>>55239104

Arcane, Brutal
Lucky, Shadow, Hodgepodge
Carrion, Mysterious

So, how does one actually play Kaeris? Did her new upgrades help at all? She looks like she invests a lot of Master AP putting out Burning every turn just to get functional, at a glance.

>>55239273
I'd like to know too.
I've got a friend who wants to run her, and I don't want to play a competitive kids against her if she's as bad as people say.

>>55239140
Aw, is the Mysterious Effigy truly that bad?

>>55239140
>carrion
>second to worst

Full on retarded

>>55239881
And I am an idiot, thought we were talking emissaries

Yeah carrion effigy is trash

>>55239104
Depends. If you're running Collodi, any of the heals are too tier, since it's stronk with hard to kill.

>>55239574
It's really not. Rapid Acceleration is a great condition. It's easily better than Lucky and Hodgepodge, and on par with Shadow.

>>55236819
That's just one of the pillars of good game design.

There any non-gremlin, viable suicide leaning crews? Like engaging enemies and having abilities or triggers that could reliably kill upon its own death?

>>55240715
Nephilims due to black blood.

>>55240715
The Witchling stalkers with Sonnia, Ice Gamin and Ice Golem with Raspy. Although not quite the same, the various models with Black Blood.

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>>55240715
Sandeep leaning hard into Gamin?
Not just summoned but hired, focusing on Fire/Ice/Poisonnotreally instead of Wind.

They tend to explode when killed,

Please help, I've only just started looking at the game and I already have perverse desires for the female goblins.

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>>55241698
You fucking weirdo. Get pushed away

>>55241698
Yeah. They sort of trip my trigger too.

>>55241530
I love witchlings, but their death explosion is kinda meh.

>>55240715
Asami sends out guided missiles that disappear from existence after their attack? Also Obsidian Oni explode so that's something.

>>55239574
New upgrades has made it pretty good in a titania crew.

>>55241928
Effigy, not emissary.

>>55242099
woops

>>55240715
Zorida can take both Papa Loco and Pere Ravage, two of the nicest explodey units in the game. Obeying the up the field into annoying positions.

It's a fun if kinda gimmicky list.

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>>55242308
>Zorida can take both Papa Loco and Pere Ravage,
She can do that in Gremlins, no?

So you could Pere-bomb and then Papa-bomb with Iron Skeeters?

Kinda gimmicky doesn't cover that.

>>55242934
Skeeters carry ht 1 only if I remember

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>>55243300
That makes sense.

I guess you could still triple-Obey Papa up the board and land Pere end of Turn 1 and then Papa start of Turn 2.

Still, even just doing it with Pere is enough of a cheap, unanswerable, sucker punch.

>>55242934
She can do it in gremlins and Neverborn.
A nurse would help too to get them walking up the board. A Reckless Pere+2 wk could probably make it up the board himself without Zorida's obeys.

Gets shut down hard by some models that ignore pulse damage.

>>55241698
>plural
Who else is honkin your horn?

>>55244556
Probably ophelia and trixie because he's a pleb.

>>55244621
What's the patrician choice?

>>55244749
The Lovely Assistant of course.

>>55244817
>The Lovely Assistant
What a truely cruel and ironic name. I'd actually go for the female hog whisperer first.

>>55244885
She can whisper my hog if you know what I mean.

>>55244749
Gracie. She's actually worth fielding

>>55245025
Speaking of Gracie, has anyone run her with saddle+Lenny?
Constantly having a 4/6/8 damage spread sounds swank.

Also I'm a bit slow, but I just realized her take a bite heal is after damaging, but it doesn't specify enemy models.

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>>55244621
>>55244749
>>55244885
>>55245025
>not picking best girl

>>55245305
I'd smash. Not a gremlin though.

>>55245305
Ew, granny titties

>>55245389
gremlin is a way of life

>>55245559

Apparently not, since the Gremlins kicked her out in Broken Promises for not being a Gremlin

>>55245605
Was she kicked out? Or just not allowed to vote for Gremlin-general.

>>55245628

Kicked out of the vote. Somer, Mah, and Ophelia were in agreement that Zoraida has no business being there as only Gremlins can vote

>>55245742
Kinda surprised that they had the balls to pull that off.

So, Lucius. Good after errata and new upgrades?

>>55245847
They might not always have the brains, but gremlins usually aren't short on balls.

>>55246743
The errata was a huge jump in power. The upgrades are pretty spiffy too.

The being able to remove scheme markers when you're up on VP seems sort of meh, as it's a bit of a "win more" option, if that makes sense.

>>55246837

Aye. I'm a bit more impressed with the other abilities

>>55244556
Merris Lacroix
Trixiebelle
Ophelia
Lovely Assistant

Basically I just want to lewd the female goblins. Biggest interest in Merris and trixie tho.

>>55247087
>Merris
Wanting Gremlin pussy is one thing, being a chuby chaser is unacceptable.

>>55247087
>not wanting hot zombie Faen ass
Shit taste detected anon

>>55247087
>goblins
Cmon now.

Also, who are yalls go-to mercs for high base damage?

>>55248564
Depends on the list. Johan and Burt after pretty solid damage dealers. Burt is probably better generally but If I've got access to a nurse, she works really well with Johan's rebel yell.

>>55239104
I would actually have taken wild boar with somer. Nearly war pig level stats for 66% of the cost and + flips out of activation without even having old major, which he could have as well.

At the moment my dream is to play bayou mcmourning and somehow make pigs work with him. Hog whisperer merc and up to 4 hired beasts are my tools, but i have no idea how to make it work or if its even possible.

>>55240715
Molly gives her horrors or spirits black blood like nephilim and has to summon them next to enemies, they only get 1 hp per enemy near them. She is designed to summon allahu akbar style units. Sadly i dont think the things she can summon explode, if only little gasser was a horror!

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>>55247087
>Merris

Best Malifaux girls:

1.Molly
2.Trixiebelle
3.Rasputina

Deal with it.

>>55248930

Molly's sumons get 1 wound per model they are summoned near.

Summoning a crooligan, using it's aura and then having your other models hit the crooligan is an interesting way to blow shit up.

>No roosterless mah suggestions
Well thank you all! Ill probably get ulix. Rooster riders just look like fake pigs to me so i dislike them. Worse than that they are the austringers of their faction!

>>55248906
>At the moment my dream is to play bayou mcmourning and somehow make pigs work with him. Hog whisperer merc and up to 4 hired beasts are my tools, but i have no idea how to make it work or if its even possible.
I want to get it work to. Little gassers are Gremlins, so they work for set'er off. Gracie isn't a beast but is a Merc.

The sow seems like a solid pick, as once of the four beasts.

>>55249279
>they are the austringers of their faction!
Because they both use birds?

>>55249375
Burt too. McMourning can easily shit out the scheme markers for sow with ON THE ORDAH OF THA GUVNAH's SECRETERAH I FOOKIN' LUV SAYIN THAT and Injection plus though he may lack the slop hauler guild and ressur have their own little healers, especially nurses.
>>55249378
Amongst other things like balance and omnipresence. But yes, that is totally it.

>>55249403
Austringers are way more cheesy than roster riders after they lost reckless.
I haven't ever actually seen them in a list

Wrastlers, good, bad or somewhere inbetween? Their tap out condition seems to make them amazing anti-johan/ama no zako/whatever tech.

>>55249403
The sow can only eat enemy scheme markers, otherwise she's been able to crank out tons of piglets.

>>55249510
Unfortunately, overshadowed by roosters and lightning bugs, like everything else in the faction.

>>55249510
If they can heal back up they should be solid against big beaters.

Driving charge and the push should help mobility. If they can actually get a charge and discard a corpse/scrap/scheme +tag team they should punch way above their weight.

I think we'll have to see how often things work out for them.

>>55249607
To me the obvious synergy seems to be to have the mechanical walk up once or twice laying down a nice scrap marker for em then have em charge from near him taking 1 damage for the + flip and getting + to damage.

>>55249725
Sounds like a pretty solid plan. If you can get it to work right, they're a 5ss model hitting for effectively min damage 4 with a ml of 7.

A pair should also be really good at locking down beaters, since they will have ml 7 disengaging strikes, and if they've y min damage is 3+ they can't hit them more than once a turn.

Are Nellie and Sandeep as broken as people tend to make them out to be? Or is it an echo chamber exaggerating how flexible they are as generalist Masters that many players haven't played against enough to really understand how to counter?

>>55250142
Nellie is result of echocamber dunno bout sandeep.

>>55250104
If a taxidermist charges something and drops a corpse the wrastler can follow up brutally. Not sure its a great synergy on its own but in a crew that has both models its a good trick.

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>>55246837
>Lucius' remove scheme markers when winning
>it's a bit of a "win more" option
I'm surprised they went down that route, given the whole focus on removing NPEs.

>>55249403
>Rooster Riders' omnipresence
From grumbling, I had thought they vanished after losing reckless.
Idon't know though, my local Gremlin moved almost exclusively to elite Zipp shortly after acquiringhim.

>>55250142
I thinkpeople still haven't learned how to play Sandeep, so people definitely don't know how to beat him yet.

Nellie - the activation control and AP efficiency seems scary, but I don't actually really know what she does on thetable.

>>55250570
My local nellie uses her to enable shit. He draws lots of cards and builds stones, pushes and hands out fast then has other models like bishop, peacekeeper, judge, executioners, phiona gage or whatever do the killing using the card, ap and activation control plus free stones. If her scheme runners get in trouble she starts replacing them.

>>55241698
I want more female Gremlins. I want them because I think it's frankly strange that it's so male dominated. But hey, if it pleases the weirdo fetishists as well, that's also fine!

>>55251297

I say that, I'm probably a little bit fetish about female luchadores, and I'm damn sad that it's just 3 male luchadores. Where's my luchadoras in tight latex with tassles!

>>55211560
I was wondering who is the guy with the mustache, second from the left and the guy with the gimp mask at the back are, I've never seen their minis before.

>>55240715
Ramos can explode his summoned spiders and they have a trigger to explode themselves dealing pulse damage. The electrical creation and mobile toolkit also both kill themselves to deal damage.

On another topic; has anyone else looked at the wording on the protection money ability of the Katakana Crime Boss and the Lotus Eater? It seems that if you and your opponent both bring one of these models, you both draw whenever the ability is triggered on either of your models, which is kind of weird.

>>55251582
Gimp is executioner, thats an executioners hood. Second left looks like maybe rafkin converted into francisco?

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>>55251582
>>55251621
I think that's alt Francisco's head on Rafkin's body alright, but not sure what the additional gubz around his hands/belt is.

>>55251586
That wording just means that even if your opponent places a marker in multiple Protection Money auras, you still only draw one card.

>>55252946
The protection money ability doesn't specify friendly models. This means that if you and your opponent bring one of these models and you place a scheme marker in the enemy's aura, you both draw a card.

For the lazy, here is the exact wording: Protection Money: If an enemy Scheme Marker is placed within (aura)6 of one or more models with this Ability, draw a card.

>>55253180
That doesn't work. It has to be an enemy scheme marker, you don't draw a card if the scheme marker was friendly to you.

>>55253180
>>55253233
I guess in a mirror match-up if your opponent dropped a scheme marker near their own model with this ability you could still draw a card if you also had one. But even then only one card is ever drawn.

>>55253280
No, a friendly scheme marker is being placed in within the aura of one or more models with Protection Money from your point of view, so no card drawn.


>>55253180
Somewhat unrelated, if I ever see one of those fuckers across the table from me as Titania, that thing is dying as quickly as possible. Especially if it's a Crime Boss.

>>55254644
It says "placed within (A)6 of one or more models with this Ability", meaning it'd trigger on all models with Protection Money, including your own. So if an opponent drops their scheme marker near their own PM model, your own PM models would treat that as an enemy scheme marker while your opponent would not.

>>55254770
Yeah, but both crews don't get a card draw out of it, because an enemy scheme marker is only being dropped for 1 crew.

>>55255012
>But even then only one card is ever drawn.

>>55255193
Oh, I clicked the wrong message initially. Meant to be responding to this guy>>55253180 with my first one.

>>55255350
Summon!

>>55254770
Sounds like a pretty weird interaction. I'm wondering if it's going to get an errata.

Did Union Steamfitters get changed to be able to give armor to masters or is it still non-master as the last playtest?

>>55257799
Iirc, they dropped the non-master part.

>>55257799
>>55257943 is right.
>(1) Weld Metal Plate (Ca 4/ TN 10/ Rg 3): Target friendly model in range gains the following Condition until the end of the game: "Reinforced Sheet Armor +1": If this model would suffer Severe damage, it instead suffers Moderate damage. Then, reduce this Condition by 1."

For introducing new players, has someone already done the testing for prebuilt 25-35ss crews which are balanced from the perspective of incompetence? Just want to use something like 5v5s to teach people and would prefer to not do all the testing.

>>55258476
Thank you

So I'm very interested in Guild McMourning and Hoffman. Who would you guys suggest for another Master or two to pair with them?

>>55258668
Perdita, so you can get Francisco, and Nellie so you have an actually viable guild master.

>>55258668
Perdita even if you just get her for the models. Cyborg Francisco (Or just Francisco in general) is going to be very useful.

>>55258668
Sonia and Pedrita's boxes are pretty good.
>>55258679
Friends don't let friends play Nellie.

>>55258825

Haha, what's so wrong with Nellie?

>>55258886
I don't know. I just have an usual hatred for her.

Maybe because after a ginger.

>>55258886
She's too much fun to play is what is wrong.

>>55258917
>usual
Irrational

Anyone know what size base the Steamfitters are on?

Just got a funky little idea... Does anyone think Asami's new Borrowed Time could be good with Fate of Mortals? Borrowed Time is restricted to only being usable once if you don't want Asami to flicker out turn 5 or go Melee heavy, but Fate of Mortals would let Asami get the +1 flicker as opponents score VP to sustain her. It's a 3 SS investment and fills up her upgrades but it could be quite useful. And if you absolutely need to you can always use Amanjaku to drag her through another round.

>>55258529
prebuilt 25-35 teams sounds like a good idea, but i'm not so hot on 5v5's.
Waiting fir 4 other players activation kinda cuts down one of the most attractive aspect of this game to me, the minimal ''my turn, your turn, next turn'' aspect.

>>55258920

Looking at her cards it seems like there's a decent amount of bookwork to keep, but she does look pretty fun. Her totem looks like a nightmare to assemble and stick on a base though.

>>55259034
The last beta I saw said 30

>>55259256
>Her totem looks like a nightmare to assemble and stick on a base though.

I took one look at all the individual legs and said fuck that. Made a little table from a 25mm square and some sprue bits and glued the press sans legs on to it. Walking is overrated.

>>55259325
Did the table at least have wheels?

>>55259270
Thanks.

>>55259169
>>55258529
I mean ~5 models per crew, to cut down on the amount of text a new player must grapple with.

>>55259325
>>55259342
Yea, could harvest from Abuelita and give it the wheels + exhaust.

>>55259690
That much is true, but they still won't have memorized what each unit does, so they'll probably be reading them each time they use them, with time adding up before you get to activate your own stuff.

It's not a huge problem, i'm just saying it's unrepresentative of the normal gameplay.

Not a big deal, but is there a particular lore reason that Perdita has Obey? Does it just represent the Latigos being a close-knit and organized team under her command?

>>55259866
>it's unrepresentative of the normal gameplay
How?
Most crews are 6-10 models excluding summons and games regularly go to time at t4. If I am playing against and teaching a novice opponent, even if they continuously refer to the stat cards, with no more than 10 activations between us I don't see how this 'miniature' game could possible deviate so far from a normal scrap at to remotely represent the greentext above.

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>>55259866
>>55260351
I fully agree with demo guy a five model crew is fine, but can be built to allow sufficient complexity that the new guy gets the point without being overwhelmed with options.

Perdita, Francisco, Santiago and a Pistolero might work on a sufficiently terrain-heavy board.

I've been toying with Joss, Howard and two Metal Gamin as a HH squad, might work for a femo too.
That way they are both pretty killy but have tricks, letting brand new players do what they will always do, which is moshpit, while learning the system.

The Colette, Cassandra, two Performersand a Mannequincomes out after they get the hang of the mechanics, to teach the objectives.

>>55259999
I'd read it as that, and the big gun makingher pretty intimidating.

>>55259999
Its her nephilim blood manifesting itself.

>>55261246
> her nephilim blood

uh... what? Since when did she have nephilim blood? How does that even apply to obeys when no Nephilim even has an obey or pseudo-obey?

>>55261316
She's half nephilim, it's why papa loco is loco.

>>55261462
Since when was she half nephilim? The breach wasn't open when she would have been conceived.

>>55261246
No. Her Grandma has it too.

>>55261923
Also this. We've had a blurb with hey background when she lived earthside.

Is it possible to play hamelin and not make everyone hate you?
I picked up the cat version at gencon, it's more of a painting project but getting a few games in might be nice.

>>55262185
It's not too hard. I would recommend just planning your moves ahead of time. There are crews that can be much less fun to play against.

>>55262185
Yes, play against people who arent assholes and try not to make your activations take too long.

>>55262870
New zoraida, new viks, raspy and new lillith can really be annoying. Never was bothered by levi, pandora, hamelin etc though.

So, I've gotten the Alt Huggy and painted it and after all is said and done... Am I crazy that I think I like the old Huggy better?

>>55262938
I don't like the new huggy at all

>>55262938
New Huggy is an amazing model that is super cool. It does not give off the idea it is a drug spirit at all.
Old huggy is a looming spirit, its not perfect but the idea it is a representation of a concept and that it is without set physical form is more clear.

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>>55262938
No, the new one is too big.I think I would've liked Huggy more in either form if it was just a giant mouth

>>55263296
I would have liked it to be something like smoke forming into a monster rising from a cracked bottle/barrel/container of some sort, the idea it was actually coming out of the brilliance or it was the brilliance escaping the container.

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>>55263296

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>>55261923
Wasn't there a whole thing with her gettingsort-of possesssed around the Kythera (Nythera?) incident?
With the big not-dragon riding bit?

>>55262185
>>55262870
>>55262876
My problem with Hamelin has always been that his style revolves around denying you space and AP to do things, rather than the time factor.

It's irritating having all your movement lanes blocked by rats, and all your AP consumed by killing rats, and then getting Obey'd around and killed by Blight.

>>55263326
I take it you've never faced any of the dozen other masters who do that then?

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>>55263318
That would be really cool - a less anthropomorphic evil genie sort of deal.

>>55263296
>the new one is too big.
Some of the pics going up on AWP are mad - noticeably too big for a 50mm is bananas.

>>55263527
Google the grootslang.

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>>55263555
Oh yeah, I have no idea why they did that.
At the current size, it could still be the 200% mock-up and I'd be more likely to believe it than the current HulkVenom thing.

>>55263340
I prefer Pandora.

Hamelin has a bunch of rats that serve no other purpose than to get underfoot, which I guess is more insulting or something?

The annoying interactions there just seem very low-stakes, whereas Pandy paralyse is a contest of wills (and cards, and Master AP).

To be fair I've not actually faced the Brewmaster bubble crew either, because the one guy I know that plays Brewiemoved on to Yan Lo and Asami.

>>55263318
>>55263527
>smoke forming into a monster rising from a
Insulation foam and piece up Hungering.

So how do you take in brilliance? Do you smoke it? Do you snort it? do you inject it?

>>55263689
You can get it even by having it in contact with your skin, hence Tannen handing out poker chips coated with brilliance. So all of those would do, but it is generally more subtle than being a straight up drug that you can hold in your hand.

I'm looking forward to the Domador de Cadaveres sculpts. The woman in Book 5's art looks pretty cool.

Going back a few threads, Marlow was "The Sorceror" option among the new Governor-General candidates so he is indeed a mage.

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>>55263968
Pics?
Or have they released art for them in Chronicles?

>>55263740
The whole Honeypot fluff bit is a really good bit of worldbuilding.

>>55265108
Makes sense - the whole power ritual thing seems a bit beyond the reach of a normie bureaucrat.

>>55263740
>>55267221
My theory (closer to headcanon) is that it has something to do with when dopamine synapses fire, so anything fun laced with brilliance is addictive.

Cue Malifaux which is actually just a set up by Huggy and Lynch is just Aaron's subtle cry for help.

>>55241773
>Gets pushed towards her.

Uh, I can explain.

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AWP fighting the good fight to be allowed to hold forth with trash opinions from trash players, because the expectation that you won't state opinion as fact when you have no experience to back it is an unreasonable elitist stance.

I salute you, brave Dunning-Krugerites.

>>55267309
I'm pretty sure it's a spiritual/magic thing that (just barely) needs some (any) sort of physical medium to carry it.

>>55267221
A picture of the male cadaveres was posted in an a earlier thread, and the female one was shown with earlier promotional material and with Chronicles.

Anybody has an Adze card picture from the new book?

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Are Ressurs still the most balanced faction?

http://www.malifauxmusings.com/2017/08/top-10-lore-reveals-from-through-breach.html

#3. It actually is feasible than Perdita has Neverborn blood of some sort in her lineage.

>>55269912
>Titania was undead before being sealed away.
But Nythera said that she only become undead after being sealed in Nythera and being exposed to the grave spirit for a good amount of time. New canon supplants old canon I suppose.

>>55269496
NOPE.

>>55269966

Wouldn't be the first major error. I remember when the Grave Spirit was called a Tyrant.

>>55270558
That was more because Sonnia didn't know what she was talking about than anything. The Grave Spirit was it's own thing since 1E book 1, though that was understandably confusing.

>>55270584

Wasn't it Molly, using her Tyrant-given info, calling it a Tyrant when talking to Sam?

Man, I've been reading up on Hoffman and he honestly looks really fun. Especially with the new Enhanced Harness upgrade.

Also, odd that the forum doesn't know what page we're on.

>>55267559
What yeah opinions are people having? I'm alright with a more casual atmosphere. As long as people are careful to not frame their opinions as facts and mislead people who are new to the game.

>>55270174
What's unbalanced at them?

>>55271412

But that's how AWP talks; little to no experience with the new models, but their opinion is presented as pure fact. The loudest voices don't even play the game much despite carrying themselves as experts.

>>55260656
...But i dont want the hat on Collette! Halp!

>>55271843
Cut it off then you fucking baby. It's a plastic model, it's not rocket surgery.

>>55271843
>>55271898
Also, IIRC she has an alt head with goggles and no hat, like the book art.

>>55271898
Wow calm down, im just a kid wanting to whine, okay?
>>55271919
Nope, not really. Alas.

>>55271843
I definitely prefer the metal version.

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>>55270813
>Also, odd that the forum doesn't know what page we're on.
?


>>55271667
>But that's how AWP talks; little to no experience with the new models, but their opinion is presented as pure fact. The loudest voices don't even play the game much despite carrying themselves as experts.
QFT.

>>55271919
>alt head with goggles and no hat,
Never seen one, if that is the case.

>>55272259
I don't - she looks too much like a prostitute, rather than a theatre owner, show runner, lady-about-town.

I've got myself the Alt. Sybelle coming though, so I might paint her up to match my other Colettes (metal and plastic) so I can have three versions.

The current plan was to use Sybelle as Angelica (fucking hate the boa), but that might change when I see the model.

>>55272259
I prefer old Sonnia over new one, but not the old Colette over new one.

>>55272906
>I don't - she looks too much like a prostitute, rather than a theatre owner, show runner, lady-about-town.
I definitely liked the can-can dress over the current one.

I got the impression that the theater is more than a little bawdy, especially considering that they hired a male stripper and they've always had push type abilities reminiscent of the Belle's lure.

The new Collete comes off as a bit manish, instead of cute/alluring.

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>>55268537
They are big wisps.

>>55267926
So you're saying it affects a person's soul rather than solely their biology?

Interesting.

>>55272906

A favorite example of mine is Fetid Strumpet instantly dismissing Showgirls as viable for Seamus, including Cassandra not being very good.

Any suggestions for Arcanist purchases for Hoffman? Ramos' box seems a no brainer, and I think he could run the Rail Gokem better than any Arcanist.

what year is it in malifaux, heard the new book pushes the date forward?
My guess is it's 1911 unless someone has some hard facts

>>55276464

1908 I think

>>55276118
I don't even.

>>55276464
>1911
I hope we get Colt 1911s.

>>55274547
for you

>>55276464

Just one year past last book, whenever that was set

>>55276464
It was 1906 in Book 4, so 1907 with Book 5.

>>55272140
>im just a kid wanting to whine, okay?
No. Now fuck off.

>>55276305
Metal Gamin to copy CA?
>>55277337
Wow dont be mean.

How's McCabe in Guild lately? No Yasunori but there's a lot of other options he can work with.

>>55277677

Oh, good idea. Forgot about its CA

>>55277904
Not even sure why Yasunori gets such a rep specifically with McCabe. With Yu and any master you can launch him 10" up the board and give him fast. That's only 4" less than if you push him twice with McCabe and give him nimble.

>>55277904
Witchling Thralls are very nice targets for reactivation, and you have a lot of really good Guild minions in general to choose from. Missing out on Terracotta Warriors is kind of sad though, as you can't dupe upgrades or score for Show of Force with McCabe's upgrades as a result. On the other hand some toys like Debt to the Guild are nice, as the upgrade doesn't get discarded letting models who take it benefit from Promises for the whole game.

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Love the models, absolutly hate making them

>>55278921
Jesus Christ.

>fucking shoes are separate pieces.

>>55278993
It's that tiny 4 piece seperate cat i'm most worried about

>>55279017
Shouldn't be too difficult. Joining floating separate limbs on have never been difficult. It's two handed grip styled arms that are fucking impossible.

>>55279075
would it be that hard to make keyed joins?

Friendly reminder Levi's nerf wasn't actually because levi himself was beating everyone, its because one list of levi was beating everyone. Ratjoy Levi.

>>55278921
I actually like assembly more than painting them, though it does take time. The only annoying part for me is filling gaps.

>>55278921
WHY
I BOUGHT CATELIN
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Though the slippers being optional is pretty good

>>55278921
Jesus wyrd, why? What possible reason could you have for punishing us like this?

>>55279351
What was so bad about Killjoy +Levi?

>>55279549
It's punishment for playing Hamelin.

>>55279549
It is the "Nightmare" version for a reason. Hamelin's regular box set is much simpler to assemble by comparison, especially if you don't use the optional cloud that goes on Hamelin's base. The new one is worth it IMO as you actually have more than four sculpts for the cats/rats.

>>55279636
>It is the "Nightmare" version for a reason
can confirm this is true, I got the wild ones box last year, i've never been more frustrated trying to build a set before.

>>55279562
It wasn't killjoy + levi it was ratjoy. The strat where you use a rat catcher to reactivate a rat and some other shit so the rat ends up in enemy deployment first turn and then dies popping killjoy in deployment. Waifs + rat shenanigans meant opponent would have to have activated all models. It was 100% two models dead, probably more and Levi thrives against a crew that is weakened. Viks and Hamelin used it a lot too (all outcasts did) but levis status as a "finisher" of models put him in the best situation to abuse it.

>>55277945

Does Yasunori have a rep with McCabe? I thought it was more that yasunori is amazing in general.

are tyrants some sort of analogy for corporations?

>>55281419
...no?

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>>55273517
>I definitely liked the can-can dress over the current one.
I think my ideal sculpt would be the plastic dressed like the metal inpic related but with a full skirt instead of the gash-flash front.
Fully showgirl, but more seductress than sucky-five-dolla.

>>55275530
Absolutely - there are a couple of good Breachside Broadcasts (can't remember the book story title) that go through an inventor's addiction pretty nicely.

>>55276118
>A favorite example of mine is Fetid Strumpet
Could've just stopped there.
The boy is a grade A tit.

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>>55279137
>would it be that hard to make keyed joins?
They do, they are just shitty because there's not enough limb-thickness to put a meaningful slot in without having the join so big you either accept the giant seams across the limb or effectively resculpt that bit yourself.

>>55279423
>Though the slippers being optional is pretty good
Yup.
Fuck the rest of it, but I'm always in favout of optional modular bits.

>>55281419
Care to expand on that theory?
Mite b fun.

>>55281397
Well, at least on the forums somehow that combo seems to be singled out specifically. Never quite knew why. Probably just the forums being their echoy self..

Speaking about the forums...
>>55281702
Any other members that should be ignored at all times?

>>55281702
That style of dress is great, it really aint much of a prostitute thing either.

>>55281793

I was pretty ok with Trikk up until their tangent about Nellie making Guild McCabe obsolete, on the basis that trikk has never actually played McCabe and hates him on paper while liking Nellie. Even then this wouldn't get much more than an eye roll if not for Trikk being a very vocal poster who tries to shape and steer the meta.

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>>55211560
New thread
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