Starfinder General /sfg/

What will your character buy in the level 2-5 gap? There are no good weapon upgrades at those levels (or are there?)

How does your character rationalize his/her/it's inability to use a more powerful weapon due to level restrictions?

As a DM how do you rationalize companies producing upgraded weapons despite 99.9% of the galaxy being literally unable to utilize them?

>>55177748

You have to find them or have someone build you one or the right parts to build one.

You find a rare crystal that can be refined and added to your laser gun but you don't have the tools and skills to do it just yet so you study and research before you go fucking up this invaluable tool that can give you a stronger gun.

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>>55177653
Smoke, flash and stickybomb grenades. Never enter a room with enemies without tossing a grenade in first.

How's it feel knowing the Android exists entirely as a sloppy slave race with prominent SJW overtones on gender and privilege?

>>55177776

>Be Starsham
>Give zero fucks and vent the room into space
>Wait til the smoke is sucked out then close the door

What now?

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What 3.5 or 3.PF race that is currently not in the book are you most hoping to see, /tg?

>>55177748
They can use higher tier weapons fine. The question is whether Vesk grunt #1 will have a 500,000 dollar rifle on his body when a 2000 dollar one will do the job and his boss can split the rest between missiles and bribes.

An elite mercenary company of retired special forces or the automated turrets in a drow corporate HQ OTOH - those sorts will have the nicest, most min-maxed weapons they can afford.

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>>55177577
I WANT TO VISIT OCEAN PLANETS AND FIND SUPER CUTE FISHGIRLS AND TAKE THEM OUT TO DINNER AND DANCING THEN TAKE THEM HOME BEND THEM OVER THE BACK OF A CHAIR AND TAKE THEM THEN CUDDLE TOGETHER IN BED UNTILL MORNING

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>>55177831
Triaxians

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Realised I posted the old version in the last thread: This version has a few new alternate racial traits, a new race (Half giants) and patches up a few elven bits.

>>55177866
Summer Triaxians are completely bald, the Winter Triaxians are covered in fur! Very gorgeous, soft, canonically silky fur.

>>55177893
100% uninteresting

>>55177898

I think the Lashunta Technomancer iconic has a Traxian boyfriend? That said, even after reading over some of the races they just don't catch me as interesting enough to use. I actually find the Ysokai more interesting besides humans or half-orcs.

>>55177893
Can there be elf-kitsunes?

Cuz I think that would add something to the setting.

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>>55177805
Obviously our tac-pike blitz soldier goes in after the flashbang explodes, anon. The smoke grenades aren't for making people cough, they're for concealment from snipers with readied actions when you're crossing a gap in cover.

>>55177831
Tengu. Plz gib space birb.

>>55177944

If you mean a Kitsune that has an elf as it's alternate form? Changeling Kitsune allows you to pick any medium race rather than human.

>>55177953
>>55177805

You know, this gives me an idea.

A giant space-ship is renovated to act as a battle grounds of sorts. several teams go in and are stuck in locked rooms until the ship enters the drift at which point the doors open.

The ship will only come out of the drift when one team has managed to capture the other three team's home bases. killing is optional. special weapons are hidden around the ship.

>>55177653
A personal upgrade, a null-space chamber, maybe a biotech version of the wide-spectrum ocular implants, clothes and naughty wyvern 'toy'.

>>55177929
Yeah, she's got a Winter Triaxian boyfriend with fluffy fur. Really cute stuff, and extremely surprising that Paizo actually wrote a woman with a continued heterosexual relationship (especially Lashunta.)

>>55177831
TENGU. I desperately fucking need Tengus for my game.

I'm running a custom setting called "The Disc of Kal-Vortun", and in it Tengus are a pretty big race. Essentially bird-poland, with these big ancient orders of hussar cavalry. It's like my most developed part of the setting.

But I'm now running a starfinder game set in the same setting, but 800,000 years in the past.

And the Tengus are still around, as a repressed slave race looking to rise up and form their own idealized nation.

>>55177893
> Elves
> Proficient in bows
I will laugh at any space elf wielding a bow, so there's that.

> Alternate racial traits
kill it with fire. you know we have themes now right?

>>55178041
>ARTs
>bad

nigga Gnomes already have two variants which I hope is something that gets backported

>>55178041
Themes replace the non-racial traits you goof. And they bring them more up to par with the campaign specific traits which were always much stronger than the generic ones.

>>55178041

>I will laugh at any space elf wielding a bow, so there's that.

Well it's supposed to be combined with >>55145292 which adds high tech bow options.

>>55178077
Campaign traits aren't real anymore, though.

Is your character ranged only, melee only, or both ranged and melee?

>>55178202
I've got one who's ranged, one Melee, and one that's both ranged and Melee (his droid's the Melee.)

Is there an SRD-style wiki for the game yet?

>>55178326
http://www.starfindersrd.com/

>>55177577
Why isn't the OP an anime? What did you do /sfg/? I go to /pfg/ for a bit and this happens.

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>You will never play a Starfinder campaign

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>>55178497

The machinations of the space foxes have come to terrible fruition, anon.

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>nebula entities seduce the crew and mind control them to walk out into space where their juices and souls get sucked out untill they are a dry husk and the soul is disgarded into the void to wander the infinite black without a body

>>55178497
you were not missed.

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>>55178637
Give it time, I'm sure there will be plenty of games to choose from in no time at all.

>>55178637
you wanna do play by post?

>>55178719
Yes! Yes!

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>>55178653

Just you wait, vulpine scum! We almost got to modern, soon we will soar among the stars!

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Earlier (>>55169296), I was asking for advice on how to create an optimal "good at starship fighting" build for four 2nd-level PCs' tier 2 starship. I had previously created a ship that abused a turret and kiting, but now, I am starting to think that the following build may be more ideal:

Budget of 75 BP:
• 12 BP: Base Frame: Explorer
• 10 BP: Power Core: Pulse Gray, PCU budget 100
• 5 BP: Thrusters: M10 Thrusters, PCU consumption 70
• 6 BP: Armor: Mk 2 armor
• 0 BP: Computer: Basic computer
• 5 BP: Crew Quarters: Luxurious
• 4 BP: Defensive Countermeasures: Mk 3 defenses, PCU consumption 2
• 6 BP: Drift Engine: Signal Basic
• 6 BP: Sensors: Budget long-range
• 6 BP: Light turret mount upgraded to heavy turret mount
• 12 BP: Heavy antimatter missile launcher, PCU consumption 15
• 3 BP: Shields: Light Shields 20, PCU consumption 10

This ship is effectively a glass cannon. The idea is to rush in to a distance of 8 hexes of the enemy ship, fire the heavy antimatter missile launcher, and hope for a hit for a whopping 10d10 (average 55) damage.

This ship's defenses are not quite as good as the tier 2 shuttle from earlier, but good grief, is its offense far higher. If it cannot end the starship battle in a total of five shots, then it was going to lose anyway.

Plus, I have managed to squeeze in luxurious crew quarters for six people in this ship.

How does this tier 2 starship build stack up against the earlier build?

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>>55178729

Does someone want to be manipulated into becoming a militaristic society and then bomb themselves into extinction? Because it sounds like someone wants to be manipulated into becoming a militaristic society and then bomb themselves into extinction.

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>>55178789
Why not genetically modify them with the Delicious trait? Nerve-staple them too, while you're at it.

>>55178726
https://www.myth-weavers.com/game.php?g=29551

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>>55178789

The machinations of lesser life-forms never cease to entertain us.

>>55178729
worst race of all time. they didnt even bother to reshaped the head into something sane

>>55178835
I don't even have to advertise my own games, anymore. Thanks for linking him in, need more applicants.

>>55178745
I'd slow it down a little, dump the crew quarters to good, and use the freed PCU (you need 3bp, maybe dump the sensors to medium range basics) to feed a particle cannon. Since it's a glass cannon, staying further rather than risking some plasma cannons and rippers (because - and this is rare - it's actually badly shielded enough for rippers to be a threat to it) from round 1. That in and of itself becomes a bit of a defense, as most fighters won't hold a candle to it at long range.

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>>55178902
i noticed, which is why im helping out

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>>55178835
Thanks, my friend!

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>>55178949
you got it, buddy

>>55178637
I'm running a Starfinder game in.. Technically -2 minutes, but we have a new player that's still on character creation. It's on a private discord server though, and I'd prefer to keep it to people I actually know.

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>>55178905

A particle beam would cost 15 BP; that is well outside of the budget.

I believe the only ripper weapon currently available is the chain cannon, which none of the premade ships have.

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>>55178745
>>55178905
>>55179327

For that matter, is there any reason at all to bother with starship weapons other than turrets? The freedom to fire where one pleases is immense.

It seems much more cost-effective to concentrate on turret weapons (ideally linked weapons), especially given how the gunner actions work.

>>55179363

Mostly I think it's 'Once you've run out of room in the turret'. Or you've somehow got a ship that capital weapons can be mounted on (Though the book doesn't seem to want you to have that)

Thinking of joining a friends Starfinder game, someone give me a quick overview of the classes power level wise.

>>55179414

The Soldier is the king of combat BUT it's also very focused. Basically no non-combat stuff at all.

The Solarian has serious trouble, with a lot of MAD issues and it's crowd control side being very weak. If you want a melee brawler it works though (Stick with Photon, not Graviton)

The Operative is a skill monkey without compare AND does offence nearly as well as the Soldier. A little more fragile but also a lot more in can do.

The Mystic and Technomancer are your classic spellcasters. The Mystic does a hell of a mind control game, the Technomancer has a lot of tricks.

The Envoy is a skill monkey like the Operative but without it's combat mastery. It's built around support but it's action economy and resolve costs means that it flags a bit there.

The Mechanic has a bit of non-combat and a bit of combat (Either with a minion or with the Exocortex buffing BAB). Generally, the Drone is a lot better (Especially early game where a second dude VASTLY outdoes +1 BAB)

>>55179407
That's how my players did it. Twinning the heaviest weapons they could gave their small ship near-Capital damage.

>>55179484
So if I wanna be decent at combat and other things, Operative is the way to go?

>>55179407
Point defense. Or very tight budget constraints in a ship that can reliably win initiative, but mostly point defense. Stick a laser in every quadrant when you can afford it, stick your main guns on the turret.

Oh, and of course, maybe your DM doesn't read ships without pre-provided turret mounts as being able to have them added. That's a pretty strong reason for not using the turret, if your frame doesn't have one.

>>55179563

Very much so. Operative gets a scaling bonus to Literally Every Skill and has the most skills/class skills in the game.

Get used to using Pistols though, as Pistols are basically The weapon for Operatives (They can only use their combat stuff with operative weapons and pistols and pistols are a lot more useful generally)

>>55179563
mechanic probably has the best DPR right now, and can do lots of computers and engy stuff

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>tfw I want to have the renown of an Icon towards a corporation
>tfw my class doesn't use Charisma

God dammit, I just want to be an up-and-coming name in AbadarCorp.

>>55179597
It's just one point, you can deal with it.

>>55179595
Group already has a mechanic, I don't wanna double dip.

>>55179613
With point buy as it is, that's devoting almost 10% of my points to nothing!

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>>55177797

The whole book is dripping with sjw bullshit. Neck yourselves if you think it's ok

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>>55179327
your heavy antimatter launcher is 12. that's just 3 less than the particle beam. swapping it out is not a huge expense.

>>55179407
Turrets have limitations on the largest ships (no capital weapons) and are more expensive to equip by a handful of points at low levels.

A perfect-maneuverability ship can face any way, so for fire-at-will you want to link on a turret and link something in one of the four arcs, giving you your two weapons.

Also, uh, the R-13 is kind of a bad-end choice... Remember what the Cross-the-Rubicon ran into later on?

>>55179803
I don't see what's wrong with those entries.

>>55179803
>The whole book is dripping with sjw bullshit

Pic... Related?

>>55179575
The GM would be flat out wrong though.
Even fighters can have a pair of turret weapons.

>>55179819
>>55179820

Are you women?

>>55179893
I mean, they had to pick a gender, and assumed feminine pronouns have been the standard in DnD for what, the past ten years?

>>55179912

Or they could have used 'they'

But go on and make up some more excuses

>>55179893
>Feminine pronouns
Are you really that thin skinned that seeing "she" and "her" occasionally trigger you this much? Fuck, man, pick better battles.

>>55179991
>Fuck, man, pick better battles.

Are there any better battles for Starfinder that don't involve the half-baked mechanics?

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>>55179991
>pick better battles

Says the ass blasted she giving (you)s

>>55180059
Why are Asians the most low-test race?

>>55180059

Why not go to his class like that? Wouldn't be the silliest outfit I've seen at a uni.

>>55179803
> Book had an entire section on Genderfluid Androids
I was genuinely mad reading it, completely fucking hamfisted bullshit that doesn't belong in the game at all. At the very least, when I mentioned it to my players, they mutually agreed that such a thing was degenerate as fuck. I don't have to worry about my players pulling this bullshit, but I'd kick them from the game if they tried.

It's fucking shameful that they had enough time to shove their PC bullshit into the book, but not enough time to proofread their own fucking work.

>>55180015
Shit even the tinfoil hats of "no white males" and "trannification of the lashuntas" would be better battles to fight than "HOW DARE THEY USE SHE!?!"

>>55180108
Fuck, I haven't even read anything about Lashuntas yet. Other than my friend told me the race has significant sexual dimorphism as referenced in it's stats. What the fuck did they do to that race?

>>55180108
>Shit even the tinfoil hats of "no white males"

The game has plenty of white males.

As faceless goons you're meant to gleefully gun down.

95% of all the humanoid enemies shown as "enemies" in the books are white men. Compare this to the fact only two out of maybe 50 images of humans are white men. Also one of the white men in Dead Suns is the leader of "Strong Absalom," a nationalist organization to "make Absalom great again" and "kick out the aliens from our neighborhoods."

>>55180121
That was in Pathfinder.

They removed it for Star, and now they just have two different subtypes that they become one of during puberty. And can take chemicals to choose which they want.

>>55180121
>Other than my friend told me the race has significant sexual dimorphism as referenced in it's stats

They got rid of that and made the consensual decision to become short-n-squat or tall-n-slender an allegory for Hormone Replacement Therapy, as said by Crystal Frasier who was VERY excited to "fix" the race.

>>55180133
>95% of all the humanoid enemies shown as "enemies" in the books are white men.

95%? It was 100%. Someone went through the books a bit ago and found out every single human "enemy" in the art was a white male.

>>55180135
>>55180189
Not gunna lie, but that's also degenerate as fuck. That's still having an entire race of trannies,

This needs to stop, WE NEED TO GO BACK. I just want to have fun with my friends and go on weekend dungeon crawls. Not have this kind of bullshit shoved down my throat, nobody fucking wanted any of this. Nobody wants to have a fucking mental illness be the sole focus of their entire existence.

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>>55180225
anon, plz stop trolling.
its not the same thing when its an alien species.
lots of earth animals do the same shit.

i just want cute plant people

>>55180251
>i just want cute plant people

Wait for the Alien Archive, coming this October.

Many plants are self-fertilizing, get ready for hermaphroditic plant people.

>>55180225
>This needs to stop, WE NEED TO GO BACK.

The way to do this is simple, you just need to make sure Starfinder fails. Poison the well for other people, in other words, tell them all the faults and problems of the system, make sure they don't see it as something they want to play.

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>>55179804

12 BP is still a bit much for an extra weapon; those BP could be going into more defenses for the ship.

>>55180251
Watching space whales and elementals play and travel around the sun while soaking in that delicious solar energy, getting baked. Sunglasses are given to everyone when the debark their spaceships, like getting a Lei when you go to Hawaii

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>>55180251
You call this trolling? It's a deep seated anger against a fucking form of insanity that has taken over this country, twisting the minds of people into horrifying parodies of what should be good and wholesome. Instead now people are taught that it's okay to be mentally ill, and should have their dicks chopped off in the pursuit of "gender identity". When all this does is throw off a ticking time bomb of hormones and brain juices that leads down a dark path to further mental illness, and eventual suicide.

And these people want to shove it down everyone else's throats. To make it seem completely normal and acceptable TO MY CHILDREN, AND TO MY FRIENDS AND MY FAMILY. Just so that they can feel good about themselves pretending to publicly be "righteous and good", when its all a form of dark psychopathy and Machiavellianism.

I too want cute plant people, but not if they're genderfluid degenerate trannies, who reject cultural traditions and societal norms just for a political purpose that should fucking stay out of the game they live in.

>>55180346
>I too want cute plant people, but not if they're genderfluid degenerate trannies, who reject cultural traditions and societal norms just for a political purpose that should fucking stay out of the game they live in.

...why would Plant People have gender like humans do?

>>55180357
>What is pollination

>>55180346

>conservaderping on a mongolian basket weaving mat

Go play Myfarog

>>55180346
>and should have their dicks chopped off in the pursuit of "gender identity". When all this does is throw off a ticking time bomb of hormones and brain juices that leads down a dark path to further mental illness, and eventual suicide.

>tfw people were actually upset at the Serum of Gender Change being a cheap item on the Paizo forums because it "cheapened" the "struggle."

That's the audience Paizo is appealing to, dude. They don't give a fuck about you, they don't give a fuck about most of us. This game isn't for you.

>>55180379
EXACTLY! This game is for good people. Not for hateful regressive shitfags that the world would be better off without. So just gtfo.

>>55180365

Yes but plants don't have gender like humans do. A perfect plant has both stamens and carpels, it's unusual plants that have lost one of the two. Hollies are an unusual plant, for example, because they DO have 'Either male or female parts' and some plants chance which sort they are during their life cycle, starting non-sexual, going male and then later female.

If you want plant people, you better expect weird gender stuff.

>>55180379
I don't know what you're smoking, but the Core Audience for tabletop traditional gaming is 30 - 50 year old males, who make up the bulk of spending. There's exactly one trannie in the entirety of my gaming area(somewhere in the ballpark of 500 people), and he's an autistic fuck that nobody likes.

>>55177577
>Which planet are you most looking forward to visiting?
The one that replaces these last few organic bits with proper machinery.
>Why?
Obvious reasons.

>>55180423
>starting non-sexual, going male and then later female.

>Young bishie plant-men that engage in so much /ss/ with the busty older plant-girls their dick falls off and they develop a hankering for the dick.

>>55180433

And the majority of them don't really give a shit what gender the book uses by default.

>>55180433
>but the Core Audience for tabletop traditional gaming is 30 - 50 year old males, who make up the bulk of spending.

No shut up, they're reaching out to new audiences. Why should they appeal to their core demographic? That's stagnation. Nobody gives a fuck about their core audience because those sad little shits will buy anything you offer them.

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anons, i am afraid of space.
space is horrifying.
and i like it

>>55180346
I'm sure you don't care, but the hyper-sensitive thin-skinned tumblrites bandwagoning onto it as the current hot thing for their SocJus hatemobile aren't actually the whole of the transgender population. But since you're mostly interested in venting, don't you think it's just a little hypocritical to complain about degeneracy? Here, of all places?

>>55180474
Just relax, and give in to the inevitable end of existence. The Devourer will come for you, in time, and all will be nothing once more.

>>55180493
>hatemobile aren't actually the whole of the transgender population

Considering how tiny the transgender population actually is, such a large portion of them coming out "odd" kind of suggests many of them are engaged in this sort of stuff, otherwise we're arguing about a literal cabal of transgender icons manipulating the SocJus movement.

>>55180474
Now imagine there's no glass in those windows.

Eoxian fighter pilots are hardcore.

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>>55180509
Good thing the literal "Light Side" of the Duality between Order and Entropy is out there, and SHE is doing everything she can to stop that evil male-gendered deity.

>>55180516
Pretty much exactly this. Trannies make up such an EXTREMELY TINY proportion of the population, that it's tantamount to economic suicide to alienate literally half of your consumer base just to get maybe 20 more people to play your game.

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>>55180509
the devourer turns your body inside out and rips out your eyeballs and now you have no skin and no eyes and you cant see and the the space ship is falling apart and you cant repair it cuz the monsters ate your eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTr5CjpSp-g

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>>55180539
>Eoxian fighter pilots are hardcore.

They have a reputation.

>>55180516
I did use the term "bandwagoning," didn't I? I did imply that a good chunk of the tumblrite crowd is just hopping onto it because it's the trend in their social circles rather than any genuine identity thing, right? Because that was the implication I was trying to imply. Implicitly.

>>55180557
That thing is just decorative.

It's very clear in Dead Suns 1 that it's just decorative.

It's not a real undead bean.

>>55180550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp70vEiAn7E

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>55180549
>that it's tantamount to economic suicide to alienate literally half of your consumer base just to get maybe 20 more people to play your game.

That's why you market yourself to the huge population of bleeding hearts that will earnestly buy your product because you're marketing towards Transgender people.

The Social Justice label is in the same vein as "Made in the USA" or "Green."

>>55180575
>It's very clear in Dead Suns 1 that it's just decorative.

... What? It literally says right in the description that you lay in "eerie repose" within the sarcophagus and guide the ship that way.

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>>55180570
>tfw the vast majority of those people are going to grow out of it and look back on these days with embarrassment as they stand around with the other parents at their kid's soccer practice

>>55180313
you already spent them on the nuke launcher. I was just saying it's a bit more defensive and doesn't run out of ammo if you use a long range particle beam for just +3BP.

You don't need to worry about getting up close in that case (in fact keep yourself a few extra turns by burning away) and the slower thrusters will be better for your piloting checks anyways.

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cant we all just post space waifus and get along?

>>55180610
That is the big fear that people will regress into normative culture.

We can fix that by making laws that require people to be socially aware, and through constant education.

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>>55180717

>>55180717
>I want to post sexualized images of women because it gets me aroused and associates this inclusive game with "busty bitches."

Ugh.

>>55180601
That's what you do inside.

The corpse thing on the outside is an oversized, decorative sculpture.

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>>55180838
Not in my headcanon anon!

>>55180870
>That art

Why did I forget about the tough hellcat archetype for sci-fi women, god dammit.

>>55180906
You didn't have female space marines already in mind?

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>>55180999
>tfw no THICC marine GF

Okay guys, I need to replace an NPC's hand (and lower arm) with a gun. Now I could just do this in fluff and just have him never ever drop the gun and be immune to disarms, but I was wondering if there was anything that would allow this to be within the rules.

In cybernetics you have a standard prosthetic limb which does nothing, a prosthetic limb with storage, and one with HIDDEN storage. The last two of those could store a gun, but don't seem to BE a gun. There is the polyhand prosthetic, which gives you an amorphous blob of adamatine that can replicate a tool of 8th level or less, so if you consider weapons tools you could theoretically turn your hand into a snub shotgun or the like (though you would have to bring your own ammo, since your polyhand can't provide fuel or power).

Are there any better options that I haven't seen?

LGS is going to be starting SFS next week. Anything I should look forward to or plan for?
I still don't have a character made.

What type of character Ideas do you have?

>>55181092
Not really, no. That's basically it, mechanically, because SF recognizes that you can stick guns in people, but doesn't model that you can make them actually be part of the person yet. You can have the arm pop the gun into your hand, even stabilize it a little, but you can't have the gun actually be your hand.

The closest you could get would be really heavily refluffing the Energy Ray cantrip, but that's basically the worst option.

>>55181328
Nothing in particular. Normally for pfg, I try to come up with a concept or choose a character from a different media and then work backwards to somewhat emulate them. Not coming up with anything for Starfinder, though.

>>55177970
>>55178038

The Starfarer's Companion has a lot of the Pathfinder races converted to Starfinder, including Tengu.

Check >>55035576

Might want to add these links to the pastebin.

>>55181544
General feeling is that Starfarer's Companion is poorly ported garbage, though, so take that as you will.

>>55179721
With point buy as it is, an odd point is only useful if you're leveraging it for a feat. Are you?

I'm just getting into Starfinder and I have a question: am I right to think that, with the 1:1 point buy system the only racial ability scores I need to be concerned with are the -2's (because you can't dip your dump stat to 8 to offset the penalty)?

>>55177893

please stop posting this hot trash

>>55181738

What could be improved with it/what makes it trash?

>>55181738

They look like decent translations to me.

>>55181533
How about a Whale person? Just go for Max size.

>>55180769
Wow what if its a queer poc posting those images to express their sexuality?

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>>55181893

>Whale person Envoy Icon

>>55178637
I'm gonna strong arm my college buddies into it but I fear this

>>55181381
>That's basically it, mechanically, because SF recognizes that you can stick guns in people, but doesn't model that you can make them actually be part of the person yet.

You'd think that because they have weapon mounts for drones, they'd think to add weapon mounts to people. Hell, one would think one of the drone mods you can use for exocortex would include weapon mounts so you can turn yourself into the Borg. I mean, you can add EXTRA ARMS to yourself but you can't mount a gun on your arm? Seems like a bit of an oversight, given how integrated weapons are a staple of cyborg action.

>>55182291
You'd also think that starships would have a logical connection between size category, length, and mass, but they threw that out the window entirely. Hopefully both of these things might be fixed eventually, but it probably won't be soon.

>>55177577
SFSRD IS UP
http://www.starfindersrd.com/

>>55180225
>I just want to have fun with my friends and go on weekend dungeon crawls.
THEN DO THAT. Nut up, realize that the flavor text in the book does not truly affect you AT ALL, and roll your fucking dice.

Play the Lashunta the way you want, or not at all. IT'S. YOUR. TABLE.

>>55181964
Was thinking Rescue Whale, but sure,

>>55180225
Just fuckin chill out. To compare them to 40k's Tau they genetically engineered themselves out of having all their women turn Water Caste and their men Fire. Now they can choose what subrace they want to grow into and they're not associated with sex or gender any more.

>roll20 now has starfinder on their game listings
>Still no sheet support

Am I missing something here?

>>55182991
Little by little I guess. Better than Mythweavers throwing up a slightly renamed Pathfinder sheet.

>>55182991
The sheets are made by fans, not the Roll20 company

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>>55182958
A Rescue Whale sounds so cool, to be honest. I'm imagining them with all kinds of search and rescue gear on them

>>55183055
It's also ugly as fuck.

>>55180769
No one wants to see an non atractive art in a TRPG, pretty shit sells mate.

Since it uses BAB, does it have rules bloat from PF or is it refined and better, how does combat usually go?

>>55184513
>No one wants to see non-attractive art

Explain every tumblr art, the people Paizo is marketing towards, doing exactly that.

I got a Starfinder leaflet recently on a Con, didn't know it was about to come into existence. I think I got to "Space Goblins" and "Space Undead" with a "Space +4 Mace", before I space 360'd and space moonwalked the fuck away.

>>55184945
>"Space +4 Mace"
Those don't exist in SF though....

>>55184966
Yeah the last one was a space joke. Just saying this amount of Space Fantasy is just not my cup of space tea. I just lack the hyperdrive to space slay the Stardragon with my Technospells for some cyberloot.

>>55185014
But it now comes fresh, exciting tumblr-colored hair styles and a mastercrafted commentary on gender identity.

>>55185053
Starfinder is boring, you on the other hand are actually revolting.

After reading trough "Tactical Rules" (Could have just named it combat.) and looking at Feats and "Warrior" class I dig the system. It fixes shit Pathfinder has, not sure how needed it was to make two HP tracks as you regain them the same way. Feats are actually all usefull and it does not seam you are going to pick the same ones every time you play a certain class. I like how you can have max 3 attacks as a fighter, would kick the 4 handed PCs out, that shit is too much for my taste. I haven't read any other class but the warrior, so far it looks amazing. How does HP scale? Do you get some every level or do you stay at around 20-30 most of the game?

>>55184945
Nobody cares that your autism got triggered, you just sound salty as fuck.

>>55185491
That's right I'm devastated over reading a free RPG day promo. It remains to be seen if those scars ever heal!

>>55185014
Fair enough. To each their own. Though you might want to avoid coming into SF threads just to say that so as not to rile up the flamers (both pro SF and anti SF). Like these two >>55185053 >>55185491.

>>55185657
Nah I won't - it was just literally the first SF thread I saw after reading anything at all they put out.

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So everyone says operatives are really good at combat, but for someone learning the system what actually makes them good at it?

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>>55185708
they have a sneak attack ability you can use every round. BUT they can only do that with shit weapons. i think they mostly cancel each other out. operative i think will end up above average at damage.

will be no where near a overcharge droid mechanic in DPR

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>>55185791
So in general the default way of fighting for operatives is to be a pistoleer and use trick attacks over full attacks?

>>55185810
Depends. If you are fighting a single or a few high CR monster use trick attack, if fighting many lower CR monsters use full attack.

>>55179928

>15 year old anon raised on modern 4chan culture reads his first tabletop book

It's been standard to use she as the default pronoun since the early 90s.

>>55186276
>It's been standard to use she as the default pronoun since the early 90s.
no it hasnt. stop being a lying homosexual. they would switich the pronoun on every article.

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>>55177577
im gonig to post alien jungles

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Got any Alien Oceans to go with the Rescue Whale suggestion?

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>>55186653
rescue whales? wahts that?

>>55186276

>Defending garbage product
>Defending hamfisted political propaganda
>Calling everyone who disagrees 15 year old 4chan losers

Starfinder confirmed as the Ghostbusters (2016) of RPGs.

>>55177653
You buy a personal upgrade, or two, thanks to solarian getting a free weapon.

>>55177748
I rationalize it in the same way arms races always work. The cheapest weapons are the obsolete/outdated ones.
The US spends half a trillion dollars on the military, and they aren't even a planetary government. In the far future where infrastructure is done by robots, medicare is unnecessary, and you can slap trade tariffs on whole planetary populations, that military budget easily handles the extra couple of (hundred) thousand credits per man.

>>55186552
>>55186561
>>55186584
>>55186584
>>55186599
>>55186628
>>55186646
>>55186663
>>55186681
Nice work, thanks.

>>55186681
Apparently where a request wound up. I recommended someone just play a Whale Person and try to max out Size, and then someone mentioned they were going with a Rescue Whale. I kind of like the idea of some Orca with Search and Rescue gear. It's pretty unique without being complete garbage.

>>55185462
>Feats are actually all usefull
you clearly haven't read it.

>>55186514
Some did. DnD 3e swapped from class to class. Didn't quite line up with their iconics; the iconic Paladin and Paladin write up talk about "her", but the iconic Rogue was Lidda the halfling and the writeup talks about "him".

But most books use "her" by default if they don't want to get into the grammatically dubious "they" as a gender neutral third person singular. Good enough for Shakespeare you ridiculous grammar nazis. It makes business sense, which is the only reason large companies do anything. There are more people who would be willing to give a book a try because it tries to be welcoming than there are people insecure or bigoted enough to dismiss the book because of it.

>>55186552
>alien jungle
>no helmet or at the very least a respirator
It's like he WANTS to get space aids.

What's the best way to ask a player for their preferred pronouns without sounding problematic or triggering? Starfinder seems to be a more inclusive game for a more diverse audience, and I want to make sure I don't be a shitlord over other people while DMing

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CAREFUL
NED
CAREFUL

>>55187310
More wine, your Grace?

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>>55187367

>>55187381
THE WHOOOOOOOOORE IS A BOOOOOOAR.

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>>55187236
Easy, picrelated for their character, *not* the player.

>>55187413
>Boy or girl
>Enforcing the binary

Ugh.

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>>55187413

Also, this is such a terrible thread. I guess there's not much to discuss about the actual game.

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>>55187444
>Ugh
>butthurt.png
Not everyone knows your setting anon. There are plenty of people who might play their game with the absurd amount of gender identities that have surfaced lately, and there are others who play it with extreme discrimination.
Keep in mind that it's just a game, not real life. So calm your fatass.

>>55187472
A shit product deserves shit posts. Let the system rot right outta the womb.

>>55185053


I don't get the uproar, there's just small tidbits of lore that has to do with Gender, and none of it is like "There are 100000 genders and I am a demi-fat-boi", all it does is talk about how some androids are agender and that triaxian culture has a caste of supersoldiers that are agender, which actually has a precedent in real life, where some cultures have social roles which are considered neither men nor women, such as males that perform womanly duties in some african culures.

>kitsune
wat
i tought it was a space game

>>55187881
There's also the Lashunta as a poignant commentary on HRT and assigned gender, the Serum of Sex Change, the Shirren "Host" and the race of seven-gendered furries on one of the moons.

Also, all the heroes are women while all the villains are white men.

>>55187937
Also, every single "Good" deity is female while an uncomfortably large portion of the Evil deities are men.

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>>55187899

Since kitsune were a playable race in Pathfinder, it was inevitable someone would raise the question of them appearing in Starfinder, if only to make Star Fox jokes. However, they are not currently a 1pp race in Starfinder.

>>55187937
If you want to be bothered by all that I'm not going to stop you, but I think it's stretching it a bit to be bothered by weird bug aliens having weird alien reproduction.

>>55180135
And it has nothing to do with gender. One is tall and thin, and gets +2 Int -2 Con. The other is shorter and stockier, gets +2 Str, -2 Wis. Lashunta all get +2 Cha as a baseline.

The /pol-tards looking for reasons to get pissy in everything has ascended to retarded meme status.

>>55188093

>Upon reaching puberty, Lashunta are given the opportunity to take hormone therapy and become "Male" or "Female," some cities still think nature or their own bodies should decide, but they're not common at all and dying every day.
>Crystal Frasier herself worked on the changes, comparing them to HRT and gender

Weren't the tall ones always women and the short ones always men in Pathfinder? You might claim this isn't gender related, but it's very clearly meant to be seen as analogous to gender.

>>55187881
>How some androids are agender
>Small detail

Everyone I've spoken to IRL about Starfinder laser-focused on that aspect of the Androids, either showing interest in making a non-binary character or an outright transgender one - male soul in a female frame, that sort of stuff.

Gender identity is an enormous aspect of the Android, I'd go so far as to say it's their hallmark.

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>>55188302
not sure if you're reading the Beta or not here's the official

So the setting is like a shadowrun but not cyberpunk? i mean elfs, giants, KITSUNES?

>>55188596
No Elves, no Giants, no Kitsune in the base setting.

Space opera with magic.

>>55188626

There are elves, anon-they live on Castrovel. They're pretty unfriendly ever since they lost their memories, though, and they spend most of their time being bitter douchebags about shortears and outfitting "independent fleets" to attack Apostae (because Pact World sanctions prohibiting them from openly attacking the dark elves).

>>55188412
>A child's right to choose their "subspecies."

Anon... Do you even know how allegory works, especially when a noted progressive writer and literal transgender woman spearheaded their change from a "men are this way, women are this way" race into one defined by therapy and personal decision determining what they become?

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>>55188302
>Gender identity is an enormous aspect of the Android, I'd go so far as to say it's their hallmark.
You know, up to now I've been thinking that argument was just the meaningless screeching of right wing internet trolls, but it occurs to me that if you wanted to write about being asexual and nonbinary in a sci-fi setting, a created organic race rather than a conventionally born/hatched race is the way you'd do it. That almost makes the fact that they're called "Androids" but they're not overtly mechanical on any fluff-explored level make sense.

Warforged don't sleep or get tired, and that's part of their race fluff, with them taking 24h jobs but needing a hobby to allow them to refresh their still-needing-rest minds. Androids don't breathe... but that doesn't really change their day to day lives. The created race aspect is only fluffed out by the gender stuff.

Odd that it has a classic gender-binary duo to illustrate the race though. That doesn't fit with the theory. They should have a David Bowie looking motherfucker standing between them, thrusting suggestively.

>>55180098
Why would robits need to conform to human gender binary?

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>>55188828
Why would robits need to conform to any gender at all? They're robots

>>55188856
that's what I wanted to say but it came out wrong

>>55188887
Just refer to them as their ID code or name or whatever.

>>55188764
desu I'd rather refluff Androids as being some kind of highly advanced Homunculus rather than something "technological". That would at least make them not being particularly "robot-like" more palatable to me.

>>55187957
Eh. The evil side is pretty much the norm for pantheons in that regard.

And characterizing the Good male deities as stubbornly staying with Golarion to protect it wherever it went is thoroughly male. The evil deities are better mixed because they would have bailed to avoid the suspected trap.

The result is unfortunate, but lore and RW consistent. Not having the archtypical sun god available in a sky full of stars, or the community god to keep far flung groups together, would not have been my first choice.

>>55181690
If you're still waiting for an answer, that depends on your group's optimization level. You can hit 18/16 in your primary and secondary if it matches up with the race, or either 16/16 or 18/14 if only one does. you can only get 18/12 or 16/14 if neither does. Also consider that at levels 5-9 and 15-19, starting with an 18 is no different from starting with 16.

If you're in a group that's optimizing for every single +1 it can get, the racial bonuses become more important, but they're not as critical otherwise. If you're in a group that's not as concerned about optimization you could even get away with focusing on your off-stat (Vesk Mechanic, for instance), but it's going to hurt. If you're careful, you can at least ease the sting by carefully matching your actual bonuses to your secondary or tertiary stat, at least.

>>55180225
You don't have to swallow their shit. The cool thing about an RPG is you can run it how YOU want to, to hell with the developers.
And it's very fun to subvert their bullshit too. My Starfinder character is an Android Hellknight. He hates the degeneracy of his species and sees their moral weakness as a new form of slavery. So I took perhaps the most SJW race and made a /pol/-tier character, while still staying within the race's theme.
I won't make the developers suddenly give up on being SJWs, but it will let you enjoy the game while feeling that you're also flipping them off.

>>55188856
Or if they did conform to gender, why would it be our genders? Modern gender roles and traditional gender roles aren't the only conceivable gender roles, even when you look at humans or other species with male and female sexes.

I feel like we miss part of the dialogue when we use "gender" as a way for extremely prudish people to talk about the biological sexes. Regardless, the Androids are clearly built to conform to traditional human appearance, sex included. They don't really work as sex-neutral. As for gender whatever, who knows what the traditional gender roles are in futurespace. Maybe women do the fighting and men are the emotional ones? Do we care? Do we just use modern standards because the important thing is the story about the exploding star, not the underpants politics of the people preventing that from happening?

>>55189311
I think the problem is not the fact that there are aliens with alien biology- that would be fine if the intent was to underscore how alien they were. I think the problem comes from the fact that the 'fans' of the game on the forums are gushing how they can finally have a character based on their cockroach-kin spirit.

>>55189310
Personally, I just make staunchly white heterosexual male characters and play them better than the rainbow snowflakes, thus interesting the DM in my character more and suggesting to the others that being a whacky atypical does not a good character make.

tfw another starfinder thread devolves into /pol/ getting triggered

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>>55189474
Does it bother you that we have so much power?

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>>55189537
im not that anon, and im a hardcore antisjw, but /pol/ is becoming even worse than SJWs. maybe youre a falseflagging cunt, because no one here is convinced by your shit. i just want to talk about the game and playing it.

also, your life must be very empty for you to spend all saturday morning and most of friday night shitposting the starfinder thread. go clean your room anon.

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>>55189604
im gonna post aliens and stuff

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>>55189620
exploring the darkness and finding terrible mysteries is gonna be my favorite part of this game

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>>55189641
oh no waywire robots from a AI asteroid project! hodl them off untill the ship arives!

Is there anywhere that has a good critique of this damn game? Paizodrones are already automatically defending literally every obvious issue no matter what and this thread is full of retards.

Are maneuvers really this shit still?

I have heard bad things about starship combat...

HP seems crazy high across the board, is combat even slower or what?

>>55189676
thanks anon

>>55189680
I'd just try playing it rather than getting caught up on trying to find a review. You'll probably waste less time that way desu.

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>>55189676
finding a asteroid base!

>>55189680
>Are maneuvers really this shit still?
well.... in pathfinder you could easily make an effective wrassle baba. in starfidner, theres no strength surge class. maneuvres will be hard.

>I have heard bad things about starship combat...
the skill DCs are broken at high levels, but before lvl 15ish or so still ok

>HP seems crazy high across the board, is combat even slower or what?
weapons do more damage as you lvl up. and the weapon spec feat gives +lvl in damage

overrall, its a flawed game. but nothing too terrible. easily fixed with a few homebrews

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>>55189780
exploring space for the purpose of finding space waifus.
degenerate?
yes!
fun?
yes!

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>>55189811
but other species are doing the same!

>>55189676
>Tiny slave colony full of inbred aristocrat vampires poised to burst like a boil and infect greater space if you lead them back
>Escaped totally-not-shoggoth multipurpose servant race seeks a mutation to make them immune to control rays
>Trapped on abandoned space station with helpful AI who's actually the ghosts of the crew
>Horrifying symbiote brain worms just want to have fun that involves more than just crawling through mud and eating smaller worms
>You found abandoned Space Graceland and it's creepy as fuck
>A planet is shrouded in darkness due to an ancient curse
>An experimental outpost of hive-loyal infiltrator skirren that aren't quite getting the whole "Individual" thing yet
>Abandoned cache of crazy valuable timelocked wines, too bad two other survey groups got the same lead and are pursuing the same thing
>THE GALACTIC LEYLINE

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>>55189868
ship wrecked!

>>55189860
whats graceland?

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>>55189912
in the wildstar MMO, there was an entire jungle zone with gigantic trees as huge as sky scrapers and there was life magic in the whole area. an ancient nun ship crashed there and they became immortal space amazons in space bikinis.

>>55189912
>whats graceland?
Elvis' old mansion refitted into a tourist attraction; Basically an early look at what happens to people when they come into more than sane amounts of money.

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>>55189965
that is kinda creepy
fits the retro future aesthetic too
retro future best future
pic related

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>>55190001

So if I want to make a not-jedi do I go for Solarian or Mystic

>>55190198

Solarians are the space monk fight-guys, Mystics are casters.

Is there a reason to slap two Melee weapons on your Combat Drone, or am I better off going with one two-handed?

>>55190346
at high level, it seems you could make 1 attack per weapon, but the rules are unclear.

>>55190322
>>55190198
So, depends on what type of jedi you want.

>>55190421

Pretty much, yeah-guardian or consular.

So, just got out of the Starfinder panel with Bulmahn and Mona at DragonCon...
Important questions were answered. There will be future releases giving details on alien crossbreeding and hybrids.

>>55191014
High Saint Kirk is watching carefully.

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>>55189811
space waifus?
i like space waifus

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>>55191014
>There will be future releases giving details on alien crossbreeding

>>55191328
Waifus are objectifying loser garbage.

A real man would share his wife, to satisfy her needs.

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>>55191426
YES SWEDEN!

>>55187957
Now you;re just making shit up to fit your narrative.

>>55188693
Are you seriously so fucking assbalsted and terrified over the "liberal agenda" that you see some deep conspiracy in a tabletop RPG book? Fucking christ, it'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

>>55191747
I like it. It's appealingly weird.

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>>55191747
>35 hp
>eac15
>cr3
my mechanic would down that thing in 2 rounds
jesus christ tho, its attack bonus is massive on that harpoon

>>55191602
It is pathetic. But what else would you expect from cis-het white men?

That's why WE need to keep doing our part - fixing the world, one step at a time.

>>55189604

>T. Sjw cuck

>>55191842

That's Starfinder's intended design actually, high to hit and low AC on creatures, low to hit and high AC on PCs. This makes mind controlled PCs less of a TPK risk and makes summoned monsters able to hit reliably (once those spells drop in October).

>>55191747
Can I domesticate one?

>>55191747
where is this from?

>>55180346
you complain about trans suicide but attitudes like yours are literally what causes it.

>>55191907
By hanging yourself from the nearest tree?

That'd fix all your problems~

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Anyone else hate the caster classes? They feel far to samey and their themes are weak. Mystic should have been a Psionic class and thier ability should have been mental and illusion based. Technomancer should have been more like 40k necron crypteks with a mad scientist bent. Right now they share too many spells and are too much like pathfinder casters only space themed.

>>55192762
I think they're alright. You've gotta have a baseline to work from, we'll get the weirder casters later.

>>55178861

Are you or have you at any point been an Eldar?

>>55192294
Spoiler
It's from the second Pathfinder society adventure, The Commencement

I was just looking for a picture for it and found it off some dudes page in DeviantArt.

I looked on Artstation but couldn't find something that would be similar to a feathery alien that could shoot out feather spikes.

>>55192762
All the classes except for Mechanic and Envoy feel samey to me.

>>55189604
>/pol/ is becoming even worse than SJWs.
Yeah because all the games nowadays have nazi and white nationalist sympathizing. OH WAIT

Instead I get a shoehorned gay faggot alien with rules using she/her instead of the normal way to write rules using he/him/his.

The only reason I don't buy products is because Jewzo is sucking diversity cock, when Mohammad and Anita barely play Table Top RPGs.

>>55180098

Really, why should we effen care about android gender mechanics? If it bothers you, have it feature in your games,I will gladly file it under "androids, being created, obsess over finding a personality," and stop caring.

>>55180225
Just flavor it as a coming of age thing. It was worse before, when it was explicitly tied to sex - and people could make it about gender. Now it it more of am alien self-determining physiological thing, and being binary can actually help disentangle it from gender. Ain't a big thing unless you specifically make it out to be one.

>>55193237
>Jewish subversive culture
Dude, stop drinking the bong water.

>>55193145

Yes, no games ever have had a culture talk about purity or preserving is old, militant ways in the face of modernist decadence or intermingling with foreign cultures.. Wait, those have been there forever, too.

Gender-whatever alience or the like exist. They are just there, and some people get triggered at them just being, even if it is just eye-candy to sell the game to someone else. If I wanted to make a game about how Eox, the Elves or whoever is about ditching the unwanted ballast to preserve the survival and thriving of the worthy in the face of decadence, I perfectly well can.

>>55193330
>If I wanted to make a game about how Eox, the Elves or whoever is about ditching the unwanted ballast to preserve the survival and thriving of the worthy in the face of decadence, I perfectly well can.
Sure you "could", but then your game isn't canon and ISN'T Starfinder.

So instead why don't you fuck off and go play something else.

>>55193237

Yes, the Jews are after our TTRPGs, this is why we should be offended at anything that could possibly be interpreted as offensive.

>Bypass
>Mechanics get a +1 insight bonus to Computers and Engineering, reaches +6 by level 20

>Operative's Edge
>Operatives get a +1 insight bonus to ALL skill checks, reaches +6 by level 19

Imagine the Operative telling you he can do a better job at repairing things than the Mechanic.

>>55193383
This, we're talking about the original setting here. If you want to insist your "homebrew" world does things differently, warn us ahead of time.

>>55193191
I don't, and I actively fucking discourage it in my own game. I outright ban people from my games for Degeneracy.

It's pretty fucking simple, Androids are created one particular way. Either they're created as a male, a female, or more like just some neuter form. No futzing about with degeneracy when you don't have a dick because the corporation that made you decided those were pointless to have on a Military-grade android. On the other hand tits make for a nice distraction, the corp-science boys claim that putting a nice rack and a pretty face on the combat androids makes people less likely to want to shoot them.

>>55193383

It is perfectly in line with the setting, just me as a DM choosing to explore the reasons for creation and the implications of one particular aspect of it.

In canon, the eoxian elite embraced undeath and spread it to the masses to survive the cataclysm. In the same canon, the elves saw the happenings as a betrayal from an unknown hand, became massively paranoid and quite xenophobic and are sure they were betrayed from within No parallels with interwar Germany there, oh no sir.

So I was thinking of playing a Shirrin outlaw operative ghost based around pistoling the shit out of people a lá John Wick style.

Is this entirely unfeasible or am I on to something?
Going for Shot On The Run aswell.

>>55193557
No. No it's not. I see what you are doing, but just stop. You are bad.

>>55193733
Why shitren instead of something cool like human or android?

>>55193783
Rougarou are cooler. Spaaaaaaace wolf!

>>55193783
Because that's what I want to play?
Also, free blindsense is pretty legit.

>>55193874
>Because that's what I want to play?
Selfishly playing a sub-optimal character that will drag down the rest of the group isn't very cool.

>>55194031
I've been playing RPG's for over 15 years, not even in 3.5 would a race fuck up your character.
I'd say that it was a nice try but you're obviously trying way too hard.

Also;
>2017
>not realizing that humans are the worst option
>not realizing that androids are just human-lite
>shiggidydiggidy

>>55189680
>Are maneuvers really this shit still?
Yes, they could create some feat or class that specialize on them later, but until then they're shit. Almost makes me miss CMB/CMD.

>I have heard bad things about starship combat...
Starship combat really needs help right now. DCs are impossible at later levels and most role actions scale badly at later levels because of their static bonuses. For example, a +2 bonus from the Captain is pretty sad when you're up against a 40 DC, and a Pilot's Evasion Maneuver only ever adds a +2 to Ship AC

Starship combat can also be slow and tiresome. I've had to double all starship damage to make it faster for my group.


>HP seems crazy high across the board, is combat even slower or what?
Everybody getting Weapon Spec at 3 helps with this, but yeah combat is slow especially if your heavy hitters starts rolling low damage dice. More damage dice and less flat bonuses means damage rolls are fairly spiky.

>>55189680
Starship combat is a wreck because the DCs to do anything more than basic movement and shooting scale faster than your skill bonuses. This at least has been acknowledged and will likely be changed at some point in the future, so that's progress!

Though chunks of the starship creation chapter could use rewriting too. I'm less optimistic about that happening.

I don't have a feel for how combat pacing will go overall, but keep in mind that while HP is up, so is base weapon damage. If you're using advanced melee weapons or longarms/heavy weapons for ranged, it's not uncommon to be throwing around 10+ dice that are d8s or larger once you get to the highest levels. And as mentioned, everyone gets weapon specialization. In Starfinder, WS adds your level to damage - or half your level, if it's a pistol or an Operative (dex) melee weapon.

>>55194070
>I've been playing like shit for 15 years
Fixed that for you son.

>>55194321
>trying to convince people that humans are anything but a shit option
I know you're twelve but come on kiddo, let's be real here.

>>55194333
>kid
I've been playing rpgs before you were swimming around in your daddy's testicles.

>old white manchildren trying to be relevant by arguing about games

>>55194333
>>55194427
>Dickmeasuring on /tg/

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>>55194483

Everyone knows there are more important things people should measure-like the size of their ship.

How big a ship do you plan to have, /sfg/? Big enough to launch fightercraft?

>>55192400
A shocking amount of people can't get around the idea that trans suicide isn't because they're trans, it's people's attitudes towards them.

>>55194614
That's what the Disguise skill is for, anon! No-one needs to know you've been using those potions if you keep your skill levels up!

Would /tg/ rather use a space station, or a large mobile spaceship as a guild ship for adventurers?

>>55189811
She is 80s as fuck.

>>55194533
Not much bigger than the Firefly; just enough for cargo and a few docking strike craft or shuttles.

Comfortable living for crossing the galaxy, but with guns enough to make the trip.

>>55194729
*Firefly-Class

>>55194849
The only degeneracy is that 'people' like you aren't being accepting enough of societal changes to help them.

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>>55194919
Why are you even on 4chan you fucking niggeroid.

>>55194686
A large mobile spaceship, an old retrofitted bulk cruiser turned into the local solar system Milita's patrol craft.

New thread

>>55194962
>>55194962
>>55194962
>>55194962

>>55194849
Okay, I'll bite.

How should it be treated?

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>>55194849
anon, im not that guy, im not a SJW, and im not a mentally ill tranny, but aliens are allowed to have wacky sexes. they are aliens. there are animals in real life that do wacky sex changes and shit. aliens are allowed to do so as well. its not degeneracy to have aliens in a settings that mimic real life biology. i agree with you that trannies are degenerate, but aliens are not humans. please stop shitting up our general. thank you.

pic related

>>55194974
As someone with a non severe mental illness.

>>55186749
Keep in mind though that the US has an extra 0 on there compared to what would normally be regular military overspending, due to a complete regulatory capture across multiple industries of the entire government.

Sure most militaires are gonna pay 40$ for a 5$ toilet seat, but then the pentagon pays $640 for it.The brass knows, but their hands are tied: some congressman has stock in the ass-seat factory and forced a no-bid contract onto them.

>>55194974
> Worst case scenario:
With electroshock therapy, and a bible vigorously applied to the temples.
> Best case scenario:
Put them in a catholic school and give them a therapist who can teach them how to meditate to remove stress and clear their mental issues.

>>55194985

Yes but most mental illness help is not about 'Curing it'. They are about 'Helping you live with it in a healthy way'.

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>>55188764
genderless androids should give so little fuck about "gender identities" that anyone trying to tell them otherwise will be treated as a fucking retard.

>But you are male. You have male organs.
>I'M NON-BINARY!
>But you have male organs. The only use of these parts of vocabulary are as an indicator of which set of organs breeds with yours.
>TRIGGERED!

>>55194985
That's not an answer. What treatment should actually be applied? If the thing being railed against is the "lifestyle," does this include reassignment surgery? Is that degenerate? What alternative are you going to use to treat it?

>>55195004
That's not an answer, that's a shitpost. Please stop.

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> He thinks getting put in a catholic school is a bad thing.
> mfw

>>55195056
Those girls were...

Okay you can't come out of a catholic high-school without a fetish for those uniforms. It's impossible. If you went there, that's what the girls you had sex with wore. All of them. You graduate and every time you see one of those you just remember having sex.

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>>55195131
Having sex outside of marriage is an extremely degenerate, ungodly thing to do. It's literally one of god's commandments, thou shalt not commit adultry.

And besides, my real fetish is for pointy ears. I can't get it up unless the girl in question has them, and last I checked girls think it's super weird to have to wear them around me if they expect any action.

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>>55195131

>>55195004
>i am actually retarded

>>55194974
Not all mental illness can be, anon. Some people think they're a glass of juice and musn't tip over! The best we can do is take care of them instead of enabling!

>>55195379
The best we can do is push them off the fucking stairs, and when they realize they're not a puddle of fucking orange-sparkle-soda, then we can finally help them up, dust them off, and tell them of reality.

>>55195379
And what does taking care of them entail?

>>55195434
I'm sure this approach will do wonders to help people and turn them into productive members of society rather than drive them deeper into isolation or suicide.

>>55195717
According to the people themselves, it entails completely buying into their belief that they are a glass of juice and that things capable of tipping a glass over like you having hands or a cat are a hate-crime. To do any less, like insisting you keep your hands, is hitleresque.

>>55195829
Okay, we're clearly not going to get anywhere at this rate, so here's what I'm trying to get at. If you're talking about "trannies" as the tumbleresque bandwagon that's using gender as their hot new brand of SJW politics to fuel their personal outrage boners, then yes, those people can fuck right off. If you're talking about that crowd, that probably has more people jumping into it for social reasons and deluding themselves into thinking they have problems they don't, then yes, they can fuck right off. We can agree on that!

But even if you cut out that giant, hideous mess, you still have people who are transgendered and suffer from actual dysphoria, and who really just want to get that dealt with so they can live their life in a body they don't hate. I know there's going to be overlap, but those two groups aren't the same thing. But if you think they are, if you genuinely think they're entirely equivalent, then I'm pretty sure this conversation is pointless and we'll never convince each other of anything except how wrong we are to the other.

>>55195920
You asked what taking care of the ones that think they're a glass of juice entails.

The ones that go 'you know what, fuck this, I want tits. I've always wanted tits, and I will get some fucking tits'? they're not juice glasses.

>>55192125
Can confirm. The fighter 4 pregen hits herself on a 16

>>55196098
I started asking questions because "degeneracy" was being thrown around, and the orange juice thing came afterward. But if that's your stance, we're not actually disagreeing about anything, so have a good day with maybe one less pointless argument about nothing in it.

>>55193145
One is pushing tolerance in the most obnoxious way possible, and the other WAS pushing ignorance but wasn't up in your face about it.

Now, you hateful chucklefucks are screaming from the rooftops. People ignored you because you were quiet and SJWs were loud. Now, you're loud too and you've lost your only advantage.