/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

Time for a repost.

>>55159622
Okay, so now the question is...how would Ruin exploit this to push her way of preventing people from seeing their Mystical Destiny when it's right in front of them.

Her thing is making people sceptical of the opportunities presented by the the following the light of the Watchtowers so they never think they could be anything greater than what they are now.

>>55159813
First for Changeling Supremacy

>>55159856
Chances are? Murder. Encourage the Atariya to develop the destiny-eating merit, that sort of thing.
>>55159813
Purified being 'minor'. Let them learn influences, unlock their numina progression, give them an 'endgame' by bolting on some sort of titles that lets them build influences north of six.

>>55159813
Beast lessons, just take 'em out. I'm only the first to reply with this, everyone thinks it.

i miss atamajakki

i miss aspel

>>55159813
I pick Mage supremacy. Fix it by removing Creative Thaumaturgy. Mages now have a more linear casting system, as they should have always had.

No more sandbox magic systems.

>>55159988

They're not doing much hese days.

>>55159970
Just go visit your grandma
>>55159988
Just take a huge shit

>>55159900
>Murder. Encourage the Atariya to develop the destiny-eating merit, that sort of thing.
I like it, clearly they would get an upgrade that turns said merit from a pair of secateurs...into a wood chipper.

Maybe with some elements of choking vines, tendrils of the Ataryas own fate that reach out and rip away or constrict the the possibilities of Awakening in the masses and, in doing so grow and constrict things further afield.

>>55160018

How would you fix Mage's problem of not actually being a horror game?

>>55160018
Yeah let's just remove the thing that has defined Mage since it first came out, and Ars Magica which came before it.

>>55159963
I would have dropped Hungers myself, because they aren't an Organisation Axis, no matter what anyone says.

>>55160048
By removing it from CofD altogether. Let the magefags keep their superhero themes as a standalone setting.

>>55160043
It's anyone they touch turns all failures into dramatic failures for a day. And tells them. That's plenty damn powerful. A pack of Ruin cultist Atariya would be given any possible training they could want in it and Damn Lucky, the prerequisite, then told to fuck off. Every dramatic failure fated to occur strengthens the Exarch. No need for range, not at all.

>>55160018
How about fuck you, creative thaum is fun and it isn't strictly linear but it is strictly bound by what each practice can do. Idiot players who can't understand that shielding can't cause nuclear explosions aren't the fault of anyone but themselves and probably their mother's drinking.

>>55160048
Ayyyy lmao

But yeah I love mage but at best it is spooky and dramatic, no real horror without a good GM and players. Hard to argue that one.

I wish they had left Hunter alone, I'd rather not even get a 2e if it's going to completely gut all the things that was good about it to appease their rancid SJW fanbase.

>>55160048
More Left-Handed Legacies, more Abyssal temptation

>>55160133
New SJW Hunter organizations will be good for a larf at least.

>>55160113
How about I compel your heart to stop? Butt hurt changeling fag

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>>55160153
Isn't that the Plain?

>>55160170
>Someone is arguing in favor of Mage creative thaum
>He must be a butthurt changeling fag! Its the only thing that makes sense

Would it be fair to model 'hot piranha solution' as aggravated damage?

It always amazes how quickly these threads can go to shit. Just one post is enough.

>>55160153
We lose the Ashwood Abbey and get a new all-black compact of descendants of royal bloodlines, from when WE WUZ KANGS!

>>55160225
The Jagged Crescent now sells harmless nootropics that are oppressively banned by the racist authorities because they unlock the mystic power of melanin

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>>55160225
Fucking rad, Kang is amazing and I hope we get him in MCU Phase 4 honestly.

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>>55160194
Fuck you. I wouldn't have a changeling FAG tell me I can't shield myself from Gravity and fly away

>>55160295
No but with enough potency you can shield yourself from Gravity and enter a black hole unharmed.

So I'm going to talk about fan splats here, so I'll spoil it so nobody who literally gives no shits doesn't have to read it:

If you were writing a Mortal Remains chapter for Hunter based around hunting Princesses from Princess: The Hopeful what key themes would you focus on for *why* hunter compacts and conspiracies might be going after them? The methods seem pretty sane to me: ID their normal lives, then attack them in a place of your choosing to force them to not risk exposure.

>>55160317
GM fiat. But if you wanted to walk into a black hole I'd require more than just a Gravity shielding spell.

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>>55160317
OH Well I guess now you're going to tell me I can't GO kinetic Shield and be Immune From Attacks? UH? Changeling Fag?

>>55160225
>>55160261
>>55160268
>Implying Yakub, the first Kang wasn't an Atlantean Mage.
>Implying the supernatural powers of melanin aren't Awakened Magic
Hunterfags get out.

>>55160268
Why so they can kill him off in the same movie they introduced him?

>>55160383
Well yes you'd also need a ton of other shit, but if you can cast at potency 10 I think that is about as tough as the universe can allow.

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>>55160385
You seem a bit mad. Would pumpkins help?

>>55160409
Or so he can be Thanos, sitting on his chair and not doing shit for ten films. Or maybe they'll find some way to make him a recurring Loki like figure but also one who is a credible threat after the first film.

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>>55160378
Why? Befriend them, take them on the worst of the worst hunts. Slap them with the reality of the World of darkness and be the cold heart sempai. and watch them break down and then off themselves when they can't take it anymore

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>>55160499
IFCUKING LOVE PUMPKIN PIES Changeling Fag. I Love stabbing them and cooking their insides, while carving a smile on their faces

>>55160402
I wish everything didn't have to be Mageshit.

Can Wraith by run without players as shadowguides for other players?

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Re-posting question because last time peeps were dicks:
How could a Vampire weather a natural disaster in place? For example, a Vampire's plans to get out of town before a hurricane landfall fails utterly.

>>55160538
>and watch them break down and then off themselves when they can't take it anymore

We have a princess in my mixed game and he's in deep denial about how bad his friends are and is probably slowly going to slip down the Twilight paths and give into his anger or something. Its pretty fun

>>55160679
It depends on the vampire and the disaster.

>>55160402
mages is privilege and kangz can't be privilege

>>55160679
>Flooding
No need to breath so this one isn't a problem
>Tornado
Impact damage

Hidey Hole in a safe place. Still worth wild to get out of town if you're a an unlucky fuck. I'd hide in the wheel well of a bus or something then drop when you're far enough away.

>>55160679
Hide in an abandoned building, kill stragglers for as much blood as you can hold or feed sparingly among people in shelters. Maybe get ahold of a blood donation truck.

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>>55160681
>anger
That could be party burner. Storms Jyhad the darkness. They are Angery at the World for the hardness it's become. Extremist to the core. Might attack the lesser evil, read your party, on site.

Mirrors - madness could work with the denial angle

Tears - Keep mines safe. This one works if he's all about going off on people attack his friends and famly. They even make the most compromises to keep themselves safe. They work great for undercover operations

>>55160679
Is protean a clan discipline? Can't you just use 'unmarked grave' to ride out most disasters?

>>55160969
Yes, it's the Gangrel clan discipline.

What are most interesting Keepers you've come up with for your Chronicles? I am asking the completely original stuff as opposed to premade stuff?

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>>55161065

>>55161128
I unfailingly read this in his voice.

>>55160998
Ah right. I always forget which disciplines are and aren't clan.

>>55161065
A hivemind swarm of glittery ticks that infest animals in a fetid forest, it drives them to eat and fornicate or go kidnap others to keep providing it blood to feast on.

>>55161128
That's one way to summarize True Fae.

STing a long term DtD chronicle. All four characters are relatively strong at the moment. One of them decided that their Hell is going to be craved out past the Hedge, in the Arcadia. Probably due to them messing with some Changelings.

I have them barter for some Goblins so far. But is it even possible for Demons to claim domain in Arcadia? Should I let them? I kinda like the idea of them warring with the Gentry. Some Story based guerrilla warfare, fucking up others realities.

>>55161065
It's not that original but I had a lot of fun with the 'fairy godmother'. My character was a teenage runaway and his time in arcadia was actually wonderful except his keeper was obsessive and was torturing and destroying others for his comfort. So he fled back to the real world and was on the run from his keeper because as long as she was trying to 'rescue' him she wouldn't be hurting others.

>>55161065
Freehold on the coast is exploring a large underground lake in the Hedge. It has nonstandard Hedge navigation where you have to aim for lights on the lake's islands to reach them. They maintain a light back at the entrance and if it goes out they'll be lost on the water. Some islands are locations in the Hedge; others are locations in Arcadia. Some of the area's changelings escaped from island Keepers.

The changeling who maintains the exit light comes up with a plan to put a disco ball of stadium floodlights up on the cavern roof, enhanced with Contracts and Pledges and Hedgecrafting to provide twilight visibility throughout the cavern. Flying Changelings sink mounts into the stone surface with power tools. The light assembly takes months to put together and bless properly. Everyone in the freehold lives in expectation of a future when harvesting goblin fruits from the safer islands isn't too dangerous. When the time comes, the lights are loaded on a special raft, sailed out into the cavern, and hoisted up to the top.

When the lights are activated, they're more effective than expected. The cavern seems sunlit. The changeling tinkerer undergoes a transformation, becoming a sun-god Keeper. He begs, then demands that the freehold come with him. They fight him off with cold iron and escape.

Now their best-known Hedge region has entirely new dangers, not least of which is a Keeper who knew them as equals.

>>55161237
If the GM can construct Infrastructure in the Hedge, then Demons can as well, or subvert existing infrastructure to their needs.

>>55161128
Are these real episodes of SVU? I can't tell anymore.

>>55161268
So I thought. I had them face a tiny stronghold in the Hedge. Mostly to save myself some time while I plan their Arcadia adventures.

>>55160679
Blood-bind / ghoulify couple mortals and dig in with them.

>>55161178
What how? I don't even play leech the requiem and I know the clan disciplines by heart. In fact I'll rank them from best to worst
>Protean
>Majesty
>Nightmare
>Dominate
>Auspex

>>55161661
Dominate and Auspex low? Nigga you trippin, it's not all white room fights

>>55161661
Nightmare goes over Dominate? I mean, I like Nightmare's style, don't get me wrong, but it seems like merely spooking and misleading people would have less utility than outright mind-controlling them.

>>55161862
Even the Nosferatu get more use out of Obfuscate than Nightmare. Nightmare is the coolest Discipline, but it's far from the best.

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So what are some creative uses for Vicissitude? Anyone have any interesting ideas that could be done with it?

>>55161764
Dominate is a worse majesty

>>55162248
Disfigure yourself to 0 App, pose as Nosferatu.

>>55162271
Why would you want to pretend to be a clan you have 0 disciplines in common with?

>>55162341
Animalism?

>>55162248
Make all your fingers penises and stick them in your multiple vaginas.

>>55162357
That is only old clan who trades Vicissitude for animism

>>55162387
What about removing all the unneeded organs and putting armor plates to keep your vital bits safe.

>>55162248
Is there an more Edgelord Discipline than Vicissitude?

>>55162433
Old Clan "trades" Vic for Dom.
Tzim: Ani Aus Vic
Nos: Ani Obf Pot

>>55162474
Serpentis?

>>55162474
Temporis [teleports behind you]

>>55162462
stop being a edgelord and just wear normal armor like everybody else.

technically though with vis you can move your heart to somewhere else and not have to worry about getting staked again, if you are brave enough, since failing that roll and you will end yourself.

>>55162474
Necromancy

>>55162477
>Old Clan Upgrades Vic to Dom
ftfy

>>55159813
>hate about a splat
The blogger aspect of the Plain
>fix
Remove the blogger aspect entirely, heavily emphasise the religious/Amish bits.

>>55162543
Can you create more mass with it? Or can you add more?
For instance could you take some bones and add them to a new creature, or alter bone density and things of nature.

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Vampire discussions.

More annoying than Mage wank.

Anyone got the M20 Art book pdf? I need inspiration for my game.

>>55162248
Pick up Klondun or however it is spelled, make a Vozhd that is a massive venus fly trap that squeezes blood out of its victims that you can take from it later.

>>55162634
>what is a vozhd

>>55162487
Snakes are at least thematic. It's more protean ripoff than anything else
>>55162498
Ding ding ding. At the high levels yes, but you have to build into it. Vic is edgelord from the get go.
>>55162603
More goth than edgelord, but the clan is definitely edgelords material

>>55162634
>For instance could you take some bones and add them to a new creature,
That's how Vhozd / War Ghoul are made.

>>55162685
You can use vis to make vozhd too, esp in modern day when Kolduns arnt really that common.

>>55162688
Could you to it to yourself though? Like let's say you are a midget, normally you are limited in how much height you can add, but is it possible to add more raw materials to work with so you can make yourself average? Also Vozhd require sorcery still right?

How would I make blood magic more on par with true magick?

I don't like the idea of vampire sorcerers being inferior to human wizards.

>>55162723
Yes.
Vozhd were made before kolduns came on the scene, it was then retconned that koldunic sorcery actually made vozhd originally when dark ages came out but that eventually they learned how to make them without it.

>>55162752
Make them get plot device earlier.

>>55162752
2/5 bait. but in this general someone will take I'm sure

>>55162723
You just make your bones longer.

>>55162776
What do you mean by that?

>>55162782
I swear on my life I'm not baiting.

>>55162788
Wouldn't that make them more brittle though?

>>55162723
The single most "edgy" use I heard of was along the lines of:
>Child Tzimisce
>acquired out-of-clan Dominate
>ghoulifies obese person
>rearranges their insides and shovels out the lard to create child-sized pocket inside their gut
>crawls inside and seals the cut
>Vessels the ghoul

>>55162796
>What do you mean by that?
Normally plot device is something you get at ten dots in a single discipline, it gives you narrative power.

>>55162752
Mage magic is supposed to be more powerful than Vampire magic. That's kind of the point.

>>55162802
No, your a fucking magical blood sucking monster. That can use blood to regenerate wounds, you stretch your bones, then make them regrow to full girth or something.

Stop asking gay assed questions that folk 20+ years ago were asking. Google is a thing, im sure plenty edgelords have spewed shit out on how edgy they are using vis. There is probably umpteen novels about it in the storyteller vault.

>>55162843
Well that and tremere was a shitty mage.

>>55162674
I do. Its okay. Would have liked more technocracy art.

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>>55162845
Where did the Fiend touch you anon?

>>55162839
That's 10 dots though. Mages get that at 10 as well.

I'm looking more at the 1-5 dot area.

>>55162918
Nowhere, my kinetic shield is intact

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>>55162796
>not baiting
We'll see.
Use a purview system.

Have a list of purviews they can buy.
Use the list of spirit invictus chart.
Have rituals the players can buy at the cost of Purview + manipulation level. Set duration to blood potency night.
Limit the number of running rituals by Power stat, Blood Potency.

Dice pool = power stat + level of purview

Make the blood cost of the rite equal to the influence level.

Example Control animals
Level 3 power with the purview animals
1exp for the purview 3 exp for the ritual

Pay 3 blood
Roll: Purview dots + Powerstat.

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>>55163066
>giving spirit rules to vampires

>>55163066
Well there's something to consider. Thank you. Though I'm not sure if Influences match the Arcana as a whole. Too specific.

>>55163129
Blood Tenebrous is cannon. Why you mad?

>>55163148
>Though I'm not sure if Influences match the Arcana as a whole
They don't. But they make the Spirit Arcanum fucking overpowered because of it.

>Be Thyrsus without Forces
>Enslave spirits of fire, sound, light, etc

I'm always irked that people proclaim Fate(or Time) to be the most broken Arcana, when it's really Spirit.

>>55163208
Yeah, but until you get to Spirit 4, you still need to run around catching your Pokemon.

>>55163148
>Too specific.
It's suppose to be. Mages just do what they do better.

Mage arcane comes packed with lots of purview because they're all about the magic. Death has Darkness, decay, ectoplasm, ghosts, the Underworld, souls, cold, absence, enervation, endings. All this system does is give them a tree to stat into. The trade off is that it cost less.

What level of Prime would you need to take a handy supply of a given supernatural fuelstat and convert it directly to another?

>>55159813

every time I see this pic for the WOD general I have to post about how awesome this band is live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHvSTT6PA8

>>55163250
Not to mention the gnosis limit to spells is kind of a bitch. You have to do shit ton of leg work with spirit

Is it possible to make a Dracula style vampire if you play an older higher exp character?

Bram Stoker's for the record although Castlevania is acceptable as well.

>>55163286
Zero, You cant do that.

>>55163320
Not without Archmastery.

:^)

>>55163319
wut?

ru a retard?

>>55163286
Patterning + Patterning of closest Arcane of the fuel stat.You're transforming one part of fuel into another

Essence would be Spirit4+Prime4. or just outright break apart their patterns for raw mana.

>>55163319
Yes what properties are you looking for specificly? In setting Vlad was an old tzimisce. So that would be a starting point.

>>55163337

Not at all. Bram Stoker's Dracula demonstrates a number of different powers and abilities as well as weaknesses. I wanted to know if it's possible to emulate that using the rules for Vampire the Masquerade or Requiem. I'm not very fluent in those games yet hence why I am asking.

>>55163320
Did they write that out of 2e? I'm pretty sure in 1e you could turn essence into mana, and creative thaum of the matching arcana could easily do the same to say, vitae.

>>55163349

In short any of the abilities he demonstrated in Bram Stoker's book.

I imagine it's harder to quantify his capabilities when you use the Castlevania version but that one was also of interest to me.

>>55163348
Cool

>>55163362
Any vampire can learn any* discipline, as for weaknesses you can take flaws that emulate them.
*There are a few exceptions.

>>55163383
For castlevania probably someone with Vicissitude if his battle form is anything to go by, it could also be protean however.

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So how do we fix the Sword of Cain?

>>55163362
Drac is total Gangrel with some blood sorcery

>>55163298
I usually do but I contained myself in the OP this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5mYiIhzyos

>>55163521
What's wrong with it?

>>55163521
Two ways. both completely different

Make them more rational and stop destroying shit for no reason. Play up the ideological and religious divides. and stop writing over cool factions. Set the factions in a city and watch them play out for power and turf.
Or
Turn back the clock and make them their 1st edition verse. Crazed cultist bad guys

>>55163555
I'd picture Dracula as a very powerful sorcerer going by Bram Stoker.

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>>55163562

hello fellow awesome person

Would it be possible to emulate the lore version of Dracula, a ghoul that hunts vampires for their blood.
What would be the best way to do it?

>>55163702

Very high exp elder Ventrue or Gangrel with Blood Sorcery and some unique powers all his own?

Fuck me. Its really dull without magefags

>>55163813
>Fuck me.

I don't know. How attractive are you?

So to learn flight do you need to actually have wings of some kind? Or would you just generate them from learning the discipline like the salubri eye?

>>55163813
1/5 bait
Come on now begging just gets everyone soft

>>55163958
How the fuck is that bait. Are you that terrified of Magefags?

>>55163702

Wasn't he described as one of the devil's apprentices?

Anyone play Demon the Fallen? I was looking to get a group started for it.

>>55163977
>Totally not bait
if you had anything interesting you would have said it already

>>55164025
I own physical copies of all the Demon books, but I'm pretty sure no one plays the game.

>>55164025
>oWoD
>fedorashit
No

>>55164006
He was one of the ten apprentices of a dark entity (possibly the Devil) within the Scholomance.

Makes you wonder who the other nine students were.

>>55164036
Anything that doesn't interest you is going to be labeled as 'bait'

>>55164025
post something on game finder thread or roll20, you'ld get more direct answers

>>55164078
You don't even have any images to shitpost with. Go home kid

>>55159813
>>Discussion:
>Pick something you hate about a splat (not necessarily your least favorite), and propose a fix, or simply find your favorite thing in your least favorite gameline.

Remove triggers from Forsaken, they are always feel forced or clunky and go back to "the DM tells you when to roll for kuruth"

Remove the theme of hubris from mage, its not done particularly well and is as subtle as Spawn, make face-to-face magic better than wanking in one´s sanctum.

>>55164118
Well aren't you just precious.

@55164169
At least good shitposters had pepe

Too good to give (You)s ?

>>55164093

Sounds good just thought I would check here first.

>>55164045

I suspect a lot of people did not really play it due to the timing of its release. Still it's one of my favorite games they made for classic.

>>55164148
I agree especially with the fucking sympathetic casting being far superior to face to face.

>>55159813

Take the time limit and near auto deathrage off of Gauru form. Also get rid of the everyone falls into death rate simultaneously so we can't attack each other' nonsense. Both feel very video game-y and too meta to be believable in-character.

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I am getting ready to Storytell my first ever CofD game. It will be werewolf the forsaken. However I think I may have a potential red flag. One of my player's don't want to play as a werewolf. They want to be a kitsune which I believe is some kind of Japanese fox spirit. Should I allow it? Do they exist in Cofd? Are there any other kind of were animals period? The setting will be in the rocky mountains.

>>55163774
Hi you. Post more HCtM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iUghiwTFIA

>>55164283
Not really you have do way more leg work with sympathic magic. You lose dice, and basically open a mythical wormhole they can fling spells at you with. You're making a 1-800 phonecall. You're paying for a two way connection and betting you're more powerful

>>55164353
>player wants to be kitsune

DON'T DO IT

>>55164369

> can't cast magick without a safe space but will try to justify it at every turn

Lul pussies

>>55164353
There aren't CofD Kitsune. If a player wants to play off template to your game, just tell them no. Its literally never going to pan out well, they won't mesh with the group and will try to be a snowflake every time.

>>55164353
>they want to play a kitsune
Do not allow this. They essentially want to play a full spirit around werewolves.

Either that or they want to play a fox shifter with spirit powers - and fuck that.

>>55164353
Anybody wanting to play a fox person is a massive fucking red flag.

Expect them to be a young naïve teenage fox-girl who's learning to control mary sue powers.

>>55164353

Kick that player out and invite me instead.

>>55164393
There were Kitsune in OWoD. They were kind of interesting, but depressing.

>>55164369
not in 2e

Cant cast back via sympathic casting in 2e mate. You only loose a yantra slot and need to beat sympathy withstand of 1-3 (+1 not knowing name, +1 if spell has withstand already)

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>>55164353
>Kitsune
Nope that shit right out.

>>55164353
If that's the worst he's asking meh. Play it cool. There is a book changing breed. DO NOT read it; it is shit. Look in it, jack the fox changing breed's form stats. Give that stat block to the player. Tell him he's an abomination. Tell him people are going to call a shit unless he proves himself. Mechanically a negative to social maneuvers.

>>55164353
Tell him to play a Mage instead.

>>55164353
Tell the special snowflake to fuck off.
Dont pander to special snowflakes ever.
You will have a better game without them.

>>55164425
so average of 4 withstand gotcha

>>55160153
>>55160261
I'm actually hopeful Hunter will be spared the SJW treatment. In my experience, it's attracted the least amount of those types. (Ironic since Hunters are mortals, the most oppressed group) Besides, even if we get Kangz and Network 0 being turned into angry Tumblr bloggers, we've still got TF:V, Malleus Malfecarium, and all the good stuff from 1e, which through Mortal Remains can be run 2e no issue.

How would I, as a mage, go physical against vampires and werewolves?

>>55164890
>physical
Flail your arms around until you remember you're a mage and pull out your crystal wand

>>55164848
Well, it's only natural Network Zero is going to be on Tumblr. But I assume they're only angry about how all the normies don't believe their obviously photoshopped pictures of ghosts and werewolves are real.

>>55164425
Then just make it so that Mages can and will cast back along the connection if you want sympathetic casting to be less of a decent option.

>>55164890
A Mage built for close-quarter combat is more monstrous than any single Werewolf or Vampire.

Life isn't mandatory either.

>>55164925
Why would i nerf sympathetic casting?

>>55164914
For once I think oWoD Hunter had an advantage here. Hunter.net was such a dumb idea but I loved it.

We need a HtV Hunter.net.

>>55164890
Forces.

Kinetic shield and Kinetic blow. Just punch through them while they cant punch you.

>>55164985
Why are you trying to cuck mages? Are you that much of a terrible gm you got to cuck your players out of any real power so your precious railroady plot can playout like you want it to?

>>55164986
I'm not really familiar with Hunter: the Reckoning, what was Hunter.net supposed to be like? From what little I've heard of it I've assumed it's like how the Union's internet forums are. The thing is, since hunters are split among all sorts of compacts and conspiracies with wildly different backgrounds, it would be kind of weird if they all shitposted on the same website.

>>55165053
Wtf are you talking about? Im not trying to cuck mages you faggot. Can you read?

>>55165060
Its this thread for hunters. "Spooky mages about run away"

>>55165031
Fuck you I want to fly with shielding gravity. why are you being an unimaginative fuck?

>>55160048
Make the players fight eldritch abominations, and always die at the end of the arc.

>>55164985
I said if you want to. Just saying, a lot of people complain about Mages having it too easy, when they could easily fix that for their game. And if you aren't playing the game, what are you even whining about?

>>55165060
Hunter.net was this weird site any of the imbued could find to shitpost together. It's a shame all the Vigil Hunters are so divided, because having a universal shitposting site for Hunters sounds great.

>>55165068
Oh I bet you're the same changeling faggot that says you can't stop a heart with ruling. God if you can't handle your players coming up with out of the box solutions why are you STing? Christ just put on your big boy pants and just admit you have no idea what you're going and we can just fucking playing a dungeon crawl already.

>>55165031
>>55164890
>How would I, as a mage, go physical against vampires and werewolves?
>Forces

Using Forces almost feels like cheating.

It's one thing to beat a leech or woof in combat, but you don't need to humiliate them in from of their leech and woof friends. That's just gauche.

>>55165137
Im a magefag in full support of mages you fucking faggot, you have the wrong Anon.

>>55165157
You are being baited so hard.

>>55165157
God if you're that fucking pathetic that you can't understand no one cares about your shitty fanfic story get over yourself and start writing a book already. Seriously you're just humiliating yourself and highlighting why the neckbreads are taking over this hobby away from the hardcore audience. MAGE IS FOR MAGIC

>>55159813
I rather hate the Forces arcanum. It is ontologically absurd, and I assert there's nothing you can accomplish with forces that couldn't be accomplished with proper use of Matter alone and vice versa. It's frustratingly physics illiterate.

The obvious solution is to unify the two schools, and create a new one to fill the gap. But this has proved difficult. I considered reviving entropy from oWoD- carving a chunk out of Death, Time, and Life- but this has proved questionably satisfactory.

Any suggestions?

What's the best splat to use when you want to use mostly-human characters with magical spells as antagonists or even player characters, but don't want them to have the raw, unstoppable power of Mages?

>>55165268
>Any suggestions?
Be less autistic. The arcana refer to concepts not to irl science/physical laws.

>>55165276
Hedge wizards. Although the majority of Mages are hardly unstoppable in their own game.

>>55165276
Mage of course; what are you autistic?

>>55164055
>fedorashit
>game's setting treats the Bible as canonical
whatdidhemeanbythis.jpg

>>55165276
The rules Hunter has for witches works pretty well for actual, non-power wanky magic.

>>55165318
God is a She in owod

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>>55165268

You make the common mistake of trying to shoehorn the Arcana is scientific division.

Matter is not chemistry, Forces isn't physics and don't even try to scientifically how Death controls cold and shadows . The Arcana are not bound at all by scientific laws (although they can exploit them).

The Arcana are magic. Embrace the nuance. If you insist on scientific paradigm, stick with the oWOD and the Technocracy.

>>55164848
>most oppressed
But also the least special. You can't be racist against Hunters because victim equals powerstat plus Integrity replacement.

>>55165340

God is dead in the oWOD.

It's the only explanation / excuse for the setting and metaplot.

>>55165361
Mages killed God

>>55165361
Not to Caine. and He's a real bitch about it too. Wahwahwah I killed my brother and I get cursed. fuck that I'm not apologizing to that bitch she can suck me off

>>55165340
Oh well, at least it's still a pronoun from the English fucking language.

>>55165340
God is a Xer in owod

>>55165384
>English
English went into the Alley way with twenty other languages, KNIFED the shit out of them, and stole their words. It's pretty fucking metal to be honest.

>>55165359
Oh no doubt. Special snowflake don't understand real oppression. That's why we're driving them out of our homes.

>>55165343
>stick with the oWOD and the Technocracy.
Funny you should mention it. I never once considered abandoning oWOD fluff. But nWoD has much cleaner mechanics obviously.

>>55165279
But no, it's not a matter of me having a stick up my ass. And yes, of course its fucking scientific you illiterates. If a ghost appeared to me tonight IRL I would science the shit out of that obviously scientific ghost because that's how natural philosophy works.

At any rate, the real problem emerges when I can just use forces to simulate all matter. Like the "one dot" is control over light. So, in other words, I mediate photons and therefore 100% of all electromagnetic force. But 2 dots gives me control over electricity. This is so bafflingly meaningless and is equivalent to having a toddler try and explain to me how the sun is somehow a different entity than the stars.

Which results in a game where my success and failure are based entirely on how the ST's toddler like understanding of physics arbitrarily decides my fate. Funny enough- I like feeling like I have some responsibility for my success in games rather than just having somebody tell me "you win because I'm in a good mood today".

But yeah, lets just call it autism because, much like electromagnetic force, apparently nobody actually knows what that word means in a way that's useful to communication.

>>55165566
This has to be bait.

>>55165595
This comment is bait for saying its bait.

>>55165612
You're bait.

>>55165566
Magic isn't science in Awakening. It's symbolism. You're really going nowhere with this.

It's also a matter of perspective, magic in fiction is either separate from science or a part of it.

>>55165566
I prefer magic that isn't explainable, even with science. Like Game of Thrones.

>>55165630
What if I'm bait?

>>55165566
>Is given an explaination
>Continues with belated understanding
>Not autistic
Please continue with the display of Autism it is amusing. Quality bait

>>55165566
With Death you have control over darkness too even without there being a light to cast the shadow. Magic runs on symbolism as much as anything else. Of course light and electricity are different, one is from light and the other is Zeus' lightning bolt!

>>55165566
Sounds more like your toddler like understanding of magic is the problem.

>>55165692
Str8 or jail?

Yes homo.

>>55165648
>magic that isn't explainable, even with science
That's not how science works. It is actually logically impossible for there to be a thing that cannot be observed over time, such that a pattern (theory) can be established about it. Even in absolute stochastic chaos, patterns will emerge out of sheer probability.

Once a thing is observed, it can be measured. Once measured, it is studied. Once studied, it is science. Saying magic isn't scientific is like saying it can't be thought about. Which is obviously false.

>>55165635
I get the feeling you don't know anything about symbolism/linguistic/signal to noise ratio/entropy/information theory. But very few people do, so its not like that's a point against you really.

At any rate this doesn't address my problem of wanting a game that isn't arbitrarily decided by the ST. I'm not playing this to have a book read to me. The rules need to be internally consistent and transparent in order for there to even be an element that distinguishes a "game" from a "drama told to me by a friend". It ceases to be a game when the rules are 100% arbitrary, and the ST just says "you succeed because I've decided physics works like this today, but probably won't work like that next week because the RAW is internally incoherent". That's not a game.

>>55165785
Definitely bait.

>>55165785
Fiction is fiction. If the writer decides that magic isn't science, then it isn't science.

Fucking deal with it, broski.

>>55165785
>DM says rocks fall you die
Triggered yet?

>>55165785
Except there are settings where magic literally cannot be measured and will bite your ass for it.

>>55165785
>get the feeling you don't know anything about symbolism/linguistic/signal to noise ratio/entropy/information theory

This is fucking rich coming from you.

>>55165785
You sound pretty damn pretentious right now.

>>55165834
I think its more likely I'm the one being baited. Surely not everyone in this thread is truly so dense they can't see my point? In all of /tg/, not one person understands what distinguishes a "game" from /lit/?

>>55165848
No. No that's just not how this works. That's like insisting there is no such thing as language in this story, then telling me about all the conversations people are having in the story. That's a logical failure. Math applies even in fiction, sorry.

>>55165566
I'll bite.

Magic in Awakening isn't from the Fallen World. Well, Supernal magic isn't. It doesn't care for science at all. Obviously if you say, made yourself super strong and hefted a car over your head, the car would still crumple and bend around where you're hold because of its own weight. But if you made that car grow or shrink with Matter, it wouldn't be subject to square cube law or be super small and still weigh the same as a car, because you aren't physically expanding or condensing the car. You're manipulating the car on a metaphysical level, screwing with the symbolism, the Supernal aspects of it. Likewise you can manipulate cold and shadows, create things from nothing, destroy things entirely (including energy), etc. You can shapeshift into a swarm of insects with a single consciousness, or just into one insect. No problems about mass or anything.

There's no point in trying to apply known scientific principles to Awakening's magic, because it actively denounces them. Doesn't even pay them lip service. It's a game where you literally do magic by superimposing the laws and symbols of higher realms onto the mundane world.

>>55165785
Magic is coherent, you are just an arsehole.

>>55165893
Fiction isn't real. If the author says math doesn't apply, it doesn't apply.

:^)

>>55165893
>Math applies even in fiction, sorry.
Math is part of the Lie.

>>55165893
It's not that you're being baited, it's that you're failing to grasp the fundaments of Awakening lore.

It would be easier to argue such a topic with Ascension. Magic and science are both effectively the same thing(and not) in that setting.

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>>55165785
This really depends on the setting. Using GoT as an example; magic can't be measured whatsoever and is why the Citadel despises it so much and are actively trying to 'eradicate' any eldritch happenings. It doesn't follow the rules.

This is coming from the actual damn author.

>>55162892
Can you post some pics? Or the PDF, since it has no DRM.

>>55165785
What if something behaves differently across multiple case studies even given the same set of parameters?

>>55165903
Sure. I'm not saying you can't destroy energy because that violates a physical law. That would make it a game about... not mages.

What I'm saying is the "symbols" have to map onto mundane concepts in a logically coherent way. You're connecting Symbol X to Mundane reality Y. But you can't just change it at random such that sometimes X connects to Y, sometimes X connects to Z and not Y, and sometimes X connects to W and not Y but Y==W. If you're doing that, you're not actually playing a game. You're listening to someone ramble and then tell you "you win!" based on a dice roll that has no connection to anything at all.

Photons ARE electromagnetic force. There is a possible reality where illumination is not related to the mediation of force. But if I'm in that reality, I am capable of discovering the relation between illumination and force. That relation will remain constant and will have (extremely drastic) consequences for the world the ST is portraying. To establish X and then if X then Y as both true and valid, then deny Y as the result arbitrarily is as disappointing and unsatisfying to a player as it is confused.

If it mattes, my ST is 100% in agreement with me on this. We simply don't know what to replace the missing school with.

>>55166116
Don't even respond to it. It's probably in the process of writing out a massive wall text.

>>55166125
Eh, you can misunderstand the setting all you want for your own benefit.

House-rule what you wish.

>>55165785
I think you're missing the point. Supernal magic can probably be observed and tested and so on just the way you explain, but it functions in ways that don't make sense if you try to apply fallen world laws to them. Take you're light example. In the fallen world light and all the other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum are part of the same fundamental force. In the supernal they aren't, they are separate symbols entirely.

>>55166125
>We simply don't know what to replace the missing school with.

Nothing. The ten Arcana represent everything.

>>55164353
Tell him it is Forsaken not apocalypse.
Did the fera ever wind up in Forsaken in any form?

>>55166125
>What I'm saying is the "symbols" have to map onto mundane concepts in a logically coherent way.

Except they don't. That's kind of the point.

>>55166125
I don't think World of darkness, or any table top, is for you have you tried starting some science projects? They might be more inline with your , condition

>>55166125
>Sure. I'm not saying you can't destroy energy because that violates a physical law. That would make it a game about... not mages.
I don't even get your angle at this point. You're missing some pivotal keys here.

>>55166194
He's making the tragic mistake of overthinking things without actually reading into the mythology of the setting.

>>55166116
Lots of things do that IRL. When that happens you just measure the probabilities and work with those. Statistics- as in pretty much everything in economics, psychology, and sociology.

>>55165118
I can see it now
>Help how do I kill a werewolf?
>You are either stupid or lieing.
>No really I need help!
>Just force feed it cheese anon werewolves die if you feed them something that is not meat.

>>55166125
>If it mattes, my ST is 100% in agreement with me on this
I take it you guys have never ran Mage before, go figure.

>>55165276
Second sight.

>>55166125
Ah, no, thats were the confusion comes in. Like I tried to say here >>55166145 supernal forces, phenomena and so on can be tested and observed just the same way anything else can, but you need to realize what you're doing is just that, testing and observing the supernal, not the things it represents. This then gets confused by the lie.
>Photons ARE electromagnetic force.
In the world of mage, this is simply false. It might look that way, you could run a bunch of tests looking at photons and similar electromagnetic stuff, but its not true, any of it. The 'truth' is that the symbols representing those forces are these separate disparate things, you only seem them as being similar because of the way its interpreted through the lie.
So in turn, trying to assume that manipulation of supernal forces matches 1 to 1 with fallen counter parts is going to land you in very weird places

>>55166162
How do you know? Do you have a formal proof?

I can think of a few things it doesn't cover- but none that would be useful as an arcanum in itself. Unknowables for instance. Incomputables. Chomsky reference classes. Information could be an arcanum in itself but I like how they divided it between the ten and think it should stay that way.

Paradox/Abyss have been suggested as a new arcana but I think it should stay where it is as a sort of "zero" arcana for channeling sleepers.

>>55166288
Anything that the Arcana don't cover(which is pointless, because they do cover *everything*) lies within the Abyss.

>>55166288
I will bite. What doesnt it cover?

>>55166288
>Unknowables
Prime
>Incomputables
Prime Matter Forces
>Chomsky reference classes
Don't know enough about this one

The Arcana represent everything as a point of the setting.
If you're not noticing this, then it's one of the more esoteric purviews you're not seeing.

Less bitching, more mummies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4jl3iFeJoQ

>>55166288
>unknowables
what is the practice of knowing.

>>55166288
>10th Sphere
Just don't. owod butchered that idea

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>>55166288
>Unkowables
Practice of Knowing...?

Man, you're going ham right now.

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>>55166125
In the metaphysics, Supernal Magic doesn't threat Light like the EMF I know it is. You can tell me up and down that Light is made up of photons that are particles that act like a wave and travel at a set velocity no matter what. But that doesn't matter to the Supernal. The Supernal treats it like a Force within the environment that illuminates the scene and allows people to visually observe an area.

>>55166228
Chocolate is clearly the best way to kill woofs.

>>55166366
And this is why hunter.net was a stupid fucking idea.

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>>55166265
Sure, but then the ST has to redefine "light" and establish the internally consistent rules of the supernal. That's a lot of work just to get them consistent, and even more work to avoid bugs and catastrophic exploits. This shoudl be evident to anyone with a cursory background in Computer Science.

And the inevitable point of failure when I find an exploit isn't that I dominate, but the realization that some other better mage should have found this millennia ago. Which again means my success of failure is contingent on the whim of the ST. That isn't fun for either of us.

But look, I'm getting no where trying to explain my reasoning. So lets just skip the part where I justify myself and have a fun little exercise in creativity.

If you could create an 11th arcanum, what would it be? What's something that isn't currently covered by the 10? Alternately, if you had to break something off of the others and put it together into a new category, what would it be?

>>55165118
>>55166228
It's easy enough to bring back, just make some Network zero thing. It'd be a bit tougher to explain how hunters from different compacts get to it and so on but there are larger contrivances in the setting

>>55166366
Oh yes, and the best way to kill vampires is to dip them in a river of garlic sauce.

The weakness of a mage is their beards if you rip it off they lose all powers

>>55166288
>How do you know? Do you have a formal proof?

Are you serious? This is the entire point of both Mage lines. It even goes further with Archmastery.

>>55166412
>The weakness of a mage is their beards if you rip it off they lose all powers

This is True, anyone who tells you otherwise is a servant of the Lie. Don't let vicious untruths implying anything otherwise spread!

>>55166410
It's not even that hard to explain, I could see the government setting something like it up just to observe and keep track of these loonies.

>>55166395
>Sure, but then the ST has to redefine "light" and establish the internally consistent rules of the supernal

You fucking outed yourself as a troll in your first sentence, as that's not how the Supernal works.

>>55166308
>>55166288
>Unknowables for instance. Incomputables. Chomsky reference classes. Information could be an arcanum in itself

>>55166395
>ST has to redefine light?

what are you fucking smoking??

The whole point about the supernal is that they are getting rewritten by archmages all the fucking time. The rules are whatever X archmages wants them to be until somebody else changes them.

Give examples of when the whims of the ST have cucked you perhaps? It sounds more like your ST is a fucking nobber and has no clue about Magic in awakening.

>>55166395
You really don't though. I mean this is a role playing game, the idea is the ST can make judgment calls on how the supernal does or doesn't work around particular fringe cases on an individual basis, without necessarily needing to map out the whole of the heavens so to speak. I mean, if you can't do that sort of thing I don't think these sorts of games are for you

>>55166395
>means my success of failure is contingent on the whim of the ST.
That's the job of the ST for any action really.

>>55166395
>11th Arcane
>10th Sphere
Suck ST's dick

>>55166447
I bet the moron IS the Storyteller. Jesus Christ.

>>55166445
What is owod Data?

>>55166445
>>55166288
>Chomsky reference classes. Information could be an arcanum in itself
I'm sure that Mind could help you in this. Mind is all about the conscious experience of rational beings and covers literally any thinkable concept. There's a whole Invisible World called the Astral to explore.

>>55166423
Er, no. I think you misunderstand. I don't mean "because its canon that's all there is" to be internally contradictory. I'm saying you can modify the canon to have 30 schools and then say those are all that is. Like, why 10? Why not 16? Why not 2?

Ten is a great number for balance with 5 paths, so that's why ten. But it didn't HAVE to be 10. You can't divide all human creativity into 10 classes of things. So what is something White Wolf didn't think of?

Ignore the idiot.

>>55166496
Everything fits into the ten Arcana. I'm not sure what you're getting at. There doesn't need to be more than ten.

>>55166500
Fuck you this is better than /x fag

>>55166412
Don't be ridiculous it's clearly weapons coated in heparin.

>>55166496
>You can't divide all human creativity into 10 classes of things

You're right. Human creativity falls under Mind and Mind alone.

>>55166543
Ghosts are weak to burning their home to the ground.

>>55166572
This happens to be right more often than not because their passions are just right there in their past residences. Wifes, wallets, cherished toys. Which just leads to more people burning down more houses.

>>55166474
Yes! I liked that idea. But I also like how they split divination so that each arcanum gets a little bit. Doesn't work well to have both.

>>55166461
>>55166447
No, see >>55166125

The ST and I are on the same page. She's monitoring this thread right now, and we're both a little confused why you're all so resistant to what we're saying.

>>55166449
So why even play at all? I know some DnD guys at the FLGS who are just dying to tell you their story for a few hours every week, and you don't have to make a character or roll dice or anything.

>>55166601
>we're both a little confused why you're all so resistant to what we're saying.

We wouldn't be so resistant if you actually bothered to get along with the damn themes of the setting, which you're just not doing.

>>55166564
*facepalm*
Yes, internally, that is correct. I mean externally. From the perspective of game design, not spell design. People *wrote* this, therefore these ten categories are a product of human creativity. Said creativity can surely produce an additional category.

>>55166601
If Autistic Chan's TOTALLY REAL and not Fake Girlfriend is present please give us a sign!

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>>55166601
>So why even play at all?
I like indulging in my ST's LSD driven madness. I could just sit there for HOURS listening to his nonsense. Every so often injecting "my" characters actions. Really it doesn't make a difference to me that the vampire's haven is burned down. I just love to hear how he describes that leeches body burn to the crisp. O Forces how I love you.

>>55166628
*Autistic Chan's TOTALLY REAL and not Fake Wife

>>55166601
You have yet to grasp the difference between the symbolism of magic and the science of the Fallen.

You're evidently new to Mage and aren't up to date.

>>55166601
When has the ST cucked you? Give a fucking example you piece of shit. So we can tell who the faggot is. You or the ST or both.

>>55166649
That's cool and I'm glad you have an entertaining and eloquent ST. But that's not a traditional /game/ you see- that's just listening to a dude read his story to you.

>>55166656
Well I was trying to stop a guy's heart with a ruling practice but she said It wouldn't work until I sucked her lady cock

>>55166654
Speaking of new to mage, i was listening to a 1e actual play podcast thing and had to stop because the players bought 2 point imbued items that did exactly what they could do with arcana they had. One bought a dispel magic imbued item with prime 1 when she had prime 2 already....

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT????

>>55166679
He's called a Storyteller dude. What did you expect?
>>55166681
Well did you? That's a story I'd like to hear, with all the fucking details. Don' t you fucking puss out on us. We damn this story.

>>55166595
Well fire tends to solve most supernatural problems.
Fairies and/or wolves in your forest?
Burn the forest.
Beast in your closet?
Burn the home.
Ect.

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>>55166681
STORY STROY STORY

>>55166656
Uh, no I don't think you understand. We AGREE. I do not feel cheated by the ST. Rather, without a coherent system of arbitration, it ceases to be a game, and that is boring to both myself AND the ST. The ST likes being surprised, and that cannot happen if the ST is responsible for every outcome.

>>55166735
spell slots. or you give them to retainers so you can pull out the big spells in a big fight. Action economy

>>55166766
Oh? Pray tell us just what is incoherent about Awakening?

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>>55166766
Motherfucker, I didn't agree with nothing. You're on this fucking thread telling that lame-ass shit. I told you that you shouldn't be thinking about Mage. Because you just fucking don't get it. I've had to talk to at least two players who were seriously thinking about leaving the game, because of exactly this fucking nonsense. Just Stop.

>>55162266
Nigga what? Dominate can literally solve every problem in NWoD. Unless it's been gimped to hell and back for CofD you are high as fuck.

>>55166766
>The ST likes being surprised, and that cannot happen if the ST is responsible for every outcome.

It's not the STs job to be surprised. It's the STs job to surprise YOU. Jesus, you're sounded dumber as we go on with this.

>>55162248
Make a suit of armour out of a blood bonded gangrel. Fortitude + Stamina + Blood Buffing those attributes + your armour has health boxes that they need to get through before they can get to yours.

>>55166799
No it can't.

>>55166776
I've been doing so. For hours. But all I really wanted was just new ideas for arcanum. It's not like any of you have to play in it.

How very disappointing this has been. I thought the Philistines all stuck with 3.Pathfinder and that WoD players would have a more sophisticated understanding of roleplaying. It's just fine to like having stories told to you by someone with the time and energy to create one, but its kinda sad you'll never enjoy an interactive experience that table top can offer which vidya cannot.

If someone wants to discuss ideas for new arcanum, great! Otherwise, I'll be ignoring further commentary in this thread.

>>55166800
>ST likes being surprised?

What does that even fucking mean? How fucking often do gm's get surprised by the fucking rules? A players actions i can understand but who the fuck gets surprised when running a game about the fucking rules?

>>55166867
good, bye!

>>55166867
You haven't really elaborated on anything, other than you proving what little understanding you have of Mage.

Yes, it's disappointing.

>If someone wants to discuss ideas for new arcanum, great!
Which nobody will, because the ten Arcana already cover everything.

>>55166831
1) Give a one word command that anything short of suicide they have to do.
2) Give a long complicated command that anything short of suicide they have to do
3) Can hypnotise a person to tell you whatever they know, implant commands to be carried out at trigger moments and then completely rewrite memories including the fact you just hypnotised them.
4) Condition people during your everyday conversation with them to make them more aggreable to all previous powers.
5) Literal body swapping.

>>55166125
>What I'm saying is the "symbols" have to map onto mundane concepts in a logically coherent way.
First of all, says who? Second of all, how is it not coherent? Forces makes up energy. Matter is inert substance. Death is decay, absence, souls, dead things, etc. Prime is truth, raw magic. Fate is probability, destiny. Time is time. Space is space. Mind is mind. Life is all living things. Spirit has to do with spirits. How exactly is this not coherent? What part do you not understand?

>>55166799
Your house is on fire. What the fuck is dominate going to do to put it out? You are all alone.

>>55166818
Jesus, is that really the most creative people can come up with?
If you wanted to do something cool, take some science skills, learn some crafting, get really smart and build some wiring to your house that uses a ghoul to automatically open doors, sound an alarm if enemies draw near, ect. Your ghoul will of course be blood bonded, but if you keep all your wiring hidden most people won't even be able to tell what it is, it will keep your home looking presentable, well keeping it safe.
Or build a Vozhd tank with armor, ERA and a pneumatic spike thrower you propose built.
Make yourself a pair of wings you can hide in some way, and dig out enough bits you don't need so you can make yourself light enough to fly.

>>55166739
>>55166756
Well I guess I can tell you guys. See me and teh cabel were fishing out some Yankuza. We had been told they had some really power occult item. Artifact of some mage, the Original Art of War. So we decided to inflitrate them and make out with it in the dead of night. Turns out we actually liked working for the Yakuza. So we stayed on and did a bunch of jobs for them. At the end of it we were high ranking bosses. Anyways turned out The Art of War was actually a signally Becon for a time mages that had shunted themselves out of time and space. Not the Artifact was stolen. Fate + Time + Space. So figured oh shit high level magic at play.

Turns out the mage plans to kill his descendant and take over his life. We were pretty far down in the wisdom pits, so we said we would totally do it for him. Turns out a fae 'tricked' him into not killing his family. So turns out she's actually the heir to the rival gang of Black Panthers. We weren't questioning the whys of the setting we were just going with it. So strap on our guns and make a hit on their main fronts. Of course we messed up our drive bys. Shit rolls. So they come after us.

back at our Yakuza hide out the Black panthers drive a bus right into our backyard where we had a pool. With their gats going off and everything. The ST presents the PC pic, and turns out my buddy has jungle fever. I'm like well fuck me. He's my bro so I decide to turn on our Art of War Time Mage. It was at this time we revealed he never meant to kill the heir but to steal her body. his heart was failing It was a big reveal

Our Obromus bossed his counter spell when he tried to book it. I had a few points in life but a but load more of spirit so I'm like Hey can I just stop the old guy's heart with ruling? Turns out she was all hot and bothered from all the raw combat that she was horny. So she said her line. I dropped to my knees did the deed. and that's how we became swingers

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>>55166901
Shhh... Anon.

I know the thread derailed. But the Motherfucker wanted to stop a guy's heart with Life 2. And I told him he'd have to suck my girl cock.

Shhh.... Bitch aint worth it.

>>55166867
>But all I really wanted was just new ideas for arcanum
The problem is you can't really make one unless you want to butcher two or more of the existing ones and cobble together the remains. And if you do that you would have to retool fluff. Paths, the Supernal, Practices, spells, etc. And all for what, so you can satisfy your autism because the ins and outs of magic are whiffing right over your head? Go and stay go, you tard.

>>55166946
Thanks for reminding me that that guy is dead.

>>55166898
You are staked in your sleep.
You are blood bonded.
The aircraft you are in is crashing.
You are stuck on an uncharted island in the Pacific alone.
You are being attacked by an automated defence system.

It's strong and has narrative clout but, by no means is it the answer to every problem you could ever face.

>>55166963
Darwin took him to young.

>>55166794
>>55166946
RIP Anton Yelchin

>>55166898
Don't you have to be looking into their eyes for this?

>>55167164

>>55167118
Yeah but if someone takes protective measures against your one trick win, it is just your ST being a meany and shutting you down.

anyone ever played WoD on GURPS ? How did it feel ?

>>55167175
Not really even the person closing their eyes is only a negative modifier of five and when all you need is one success it's hardly an issue.

Not to mention the carthian devotion that lets you just shout commands at people without eye contact if you use their name (it's not true name bullshit either if you shout out a name and I realise that they're talking about me it will work ecen if I'm using a fake name or a title).

>>55166965
>>55166913
Both good counterpoints, I was mostly speaking in hyperbole but you are right.

>>55167274
So it won't work on most people, most people will ignore you unless you call out a name they identify with.

>>55167301
Most people will look you in the eyes the ones that won't are vamps that fear dominate and that's what that powers for.

>>55160591
It's so easy for them to bait idiots. They sure as hell aren't serious.

>>55160679
Well, Katrina showed: Not well. Many vampires were annihilated being plucked out of the mud in torpor, for example, and some were 'rescued' by other vampires doing 'charitable' works - try the Daeva clanbook.

So could a werewolf bodily roam the dreaming whorl? There are paths from the Shadow to the Astral, after all.

>>55167968
>what is google