when is "I Kill this guy for insulting me" appropriate?

>>55132555

When your character is an angry little insecure bitch, or is from a really really decentralized culture with no central authority where it's every man for himself and you can't let people punk you, and they can either get away with it or are willing to suffer the consequences.

If you aren't some sort of psycho or hella tribal, you really shouldn't be doing that shit.

>>55132555
For death to be the response to the insult, the insult must exceed a certain level of effect. For average people, even strangers, just insults tend only to provoke fights. Insults that have large social affects may inspire homicide however, such as extremely public insults or ones that cause a person to lose significant face with people in power. Similarly, insults against leadership could be seen as an attempt to stir discontent or inspire a coup, so they may be treated as treasonous.

Unless the a character is insecure or mental, the insult has to have a tangible effect to them. For raiders or gangs, the effect tends to be "If I let someone talk to me like this, I won't be given due respect", for more rational authorities, the aforementioned dissidence is a significant reason.

To kill a person over a personal insult with no stakes is evil, petty, insane or any combination of the above.

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>>55132574
My character is actually pretty insecure/perpetually angry about a lot of stuff. for context he's a Ghoul from the Pre War who was drafted into the war against his will. grew up as a Nerd who jockes pushed around.

after the bombs he had a epepheny that could be summarized as simple "Hey! I dont need to be pushed by anyone anymore, I can just shoot people I don't like now!

He's also slowly turning feral, or at lease at the bordering of being a "Degenerate" Ghoul

>>55132658
also, to balance things out, He became a Mercenary and after a few years he realized he isnt going to go anywear if he keeps killing everyone involved with the Contract, so if you have the caps, bullets, or beer, he's going to do anything you say that doesn't involve killing friends/allies

>>55132555
if losing face would cause you trouble, you have to make an example out of anyone who steps to you

>>55132555
After a warning. At least that's what happened in fallout.

>>55132555
An example for when it would be appropriate is this:
>the guy in question who is insulting you was part of a gang of bandits that tried to kill you and take your stuff
>you warned the character insulting you that you are giving them one last chance

In short, there have to be certain things that have already happened before you kill the guy who is insulting you.

Killing someone purely for insulting you is pretty stupid.

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>>55132555
>when is "I Kill this guy for insulting me" appropriate

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>>55134848
Or you can pick pistols, if you don't want excitement today.

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>>55134860

>>55132635
I'm going to be running a Fallout game, soon, and naturally the players all want to play a raider group. A raider group with a pet deathclaw and a child-sized ghoul. I suspect I'll be running into that a lot.

>>55132555
Considering how often NPCs open combat with the player due to insults in the Fallout series, I'd say it sounds totally acceptable at any time.

>>55132555
when he's your henchman.

>>55132555
maybe you are a barbarian cheiftan or similar society that respects honor or whatever

You're the one who decides what is appropriate and what isn't. Kill that fucker dead.

>>55132574
Yes but no.

When you are higher status than the attacker so you have something to lose, but not high enough that the gap between you is large enough to not take him seriously.

>>55132678
>>55132658

In Fallout its every man for himself (most of the places) so it makes a lot of sense for a character to respond very aggressively to slights. Especially if the character was a bitter, hateful person even before becoming a ghoul and suffering the bundled discrimination everywhere he goes

Also watch this for a discussion on culture's role in how we react to insults etc. (manual English subtitles in menu)
https://youtu.be/gPxQFyxdDz4

>>55134875
Why are they bashing each other with pistols when they have swords?

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>>55139429
Because if you pay attention:
1. Pistol has a reinforced bottom end, making it into a good bashing tool
2. They are fully armored, meaning hey can't really be stabbed
3. They already shot each other, and only managed to kill each others horses
4. Both of them are carrying some variant of cavalry sabers, which doesn't really work well for their situation

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>>55139429
>Fall off horse at same time as opponent
>Drop empty pistol
>Try to draw sword
>Opponent just clubs you with HIS empty pistol before you can draw it
>Stunned
>Clubbed again and again by large, heavy, reinforced blunt object
>Fall over, start dribbling
>Opponent stands up and stabs you with his sword as you try to regain your wits

>>55132555

Directly after you've responded to their insult with, "I ain't no bitch."

>>55132555
Depends on the setting and the group.

In most pre-modern settings that go for realism, it would be expected of your character to challenge another person to a duel to the death for an insult, or just to beat the crap out of him. In a society without a legal system to uphold the rule of law it becomes every man's duty to protect his own honor, and not doing so is an open invitation for people to take advantage of him.

That said, many groups aren't cool with little detours like that, no matter how in-character they are, because they feel they get in the way of the story or the progression of the game or whatever. So if you find yourself in the situation where your in-character actions get in the way of everyone else's fun, you have to ask yourself whether doing something like that is a meaningless detour to you, or if you would rather play with a group that saw such in-character moments as the heart of the game. If the latter, then you should probably find a different group.

>>55132555
If the NPC insults the guy in power armor wearing a lazer gatling, he sincerely deserve anything he can get.

>>55132635
>To kill a person over a personal insult with no stakes is evil, petty, insane or any combination of the above.
"Argument" is currently the most common reason for given for homicide according to the FBI crime stats.

>>55142220
>"Argument" is currently the most common reason for given for homicide according to the FBI crime stats.
And an argument isn't an insult. It may contain insults, but an argument is a disagreement between two or more people.

When two people want different things, holy shit, there's all sorts of resolutions, and people dying is one of them.

>>55136821
>A raider group with a pet deathclaw and a child-sized ghoul.
Christ that sounds awful.

If someone insults you, why shouldn't you kill them?

Why should anyone tolerate an insult?

>>55142312
>legal repercussions
>you might get hurt in the process
>family and friends may seek vengeance
Take your pick.

>>55142511

So you are saying that we should be ruled by fear?

That we should tolerate insults because we are afraid of what happens if we stand up for ourselves?

>>55132658
you know, its funny, I just always kind of assumed Eddy was evil. I never thought, "Hey, maybe hes just a guy, you know?"

>>55142748
So what, you're going to beat the shit out everyone who hurts your feelings?

>>55142748
People who say shit that cuts to the bone aren't really worthy of your empathy. It shows they are too scared to trust and don't have the courage to be vulnerable.

If you let your guard down and somebody uses that opportunity to deliver a sucker punch, they were already scum to begin with.

>>55142948

>hurts your feelings = being insulted

How old are you?

>>55143080
Unless of course, you are completely full of yourself and someone needs to take you down a peg, you special little snowflake.

>>55143100
So what then, someone damages your reputation and you fire back with a cunning retort?

I'm not sure what you think an insult is.

>>55143146

You don't need to insult someone to cut them down a peg. You need only demonstrate that they aren't actually all that they are claiming to be.

>>55143174

>So what then, someone damages your reputation and you fire back with a cunning retort?

What? Are you even addressing what I am talking about?

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>>55132555
conan the barbarian sometimes thinks about this. in the harsh, barbaric north where he's from people don't insult each other lightly because the other guy can bash his skull in and not get punished by law

then when he goes to the south he gets in trouble when arrogant, rich or even drunk people insult him in one way or another and he sometimes kills them in retaliation. so he concludes that laws and order aren't that civilized since people can insult each other without fear of retribution

to ask your question, when a guy that follows a code of honor more than some community's law gets insulted

>>55132555
It's okay if the guy agreed to a duel of honor.

If he accepts and you kill him it's okay, if he refuses he will look like a giant pussy.

>>55143221
I am asking you what you think an insult is, if not something that hurts your feelings or your reputation.

>>55143294
Pretty much this, though most duels aren't to the death. Most people don't want to die over something someone said about your mother.

>>55143223
killing somebody over an insult is about the most childish, petty, vindictive thing you can do. Its like stabbing somebody over a game of 4 square.

>>55143434
Not him, but you are wrong. A game you can win or lose, but the objective is having fun, some times winning something.

An insult the objective is hurting your own worth: be it your name, your reputation, your character, your status. You would be defending yourself against an attack against your own self.

>>55143434
>this is what people from guilt cultures unironically believe

Sounds like you need some diversity, anon.

>>55143434
in witcher a guy tore his own tongue out because he made the mistake of insulting his king while drunk

>>55142291
That sounds pretty cool but who the fuck in their right mind will be insulting people who have a Deathclaw for a pet? Also what does a child sized ghoul mean? A Ghoul Child or a Dwarf Ghoul?

>>55143684
It means you have a pedophile in your group

>>55143504
>You would be defending yourself against an attack against your own self.
and a little grievance of your reputation is worth more than another human life, i see.

>>55143792
When your reputation is a key component of keeping yourself alive or powerful and human life already has impaired value, like in a post post apocalyptic setting, yes. Definitely.

>>55143792
Sorry if you consider an idiot worth more than your own fucking name.

>>55143920
Kill him, then what?
Then they whisper behind your back, saying that what he said must be true, as it sure struck a nerve..

>>55143920
Sorry you consider the words of an idiot more important than your actions and character

>>55143792
Yes. Duelling had to be outlawed by Royal decree in both England and France because the nobility couldn't sustain the casualties that duelling culture was inflicting. Early members of Congress in the US spent a good deal of time retracting insults levied against their political opponents on threat of a duel.

Reputation has been worth more than life since pretty much ever.

>>55132555
Never.

"I kill this guy for insulting my wife" is a different story though.

>>55144003
>literally never happened
Yeah anon, I'm sure that Sir Quickblade killing Sir Idiot in a honorable duel means that he is really honorless.

>>55144025
It's actually pretty in character killing a loudmouth as long as it's in a fair battle.

>>55143920
>everybody who stands in the way of my ambitions in a worthless idiot
i am smart enough to understand people like you and where your lack of ethics leads to. i love insulting people like you and should you raise your hand against me i would love to kill you not for my name or merely to protect my life but to remove one more ambitious, unscrupulous human being from the face of planet earth. making it overall a better place.

>>55144025
he has none, all he has is ambition. he is literally defined by his will to be seen superior to others and will not stand it being questioned. i question it, come hell or highwater.

>>55143223
That's not a Conan-specific thing, that was a common saying in the US around the end of the 19th century, and is often involved in the romanticization of the old west. There are court cases to back it up at times, like when Edward Muybridge was let off for a murder he definitely did when someone in the Jury went "wouldn't you all do the same?" and they were all like "yeah I guess so".

>>55144043
you will note that lethal honor duels have fallen out of fashion because it's been recognized as pure stupidity.

P U R E S T U P I D I T Y.

>>55144073
>Yeah anon, I'm sure that Sir Quickblade killing Sir Idiot in a honorable duel means that he is really honorless.
yes, killing another man in a duel that has been fought fairly according to rules isnt anything honorable. it's something antiquated and retarded.

anyway, enough with this baiting.

>>55144125
Pretty sure it's because they're decreed as such by authority figures, not because there's nobody left who actually wants to do it.

>>55144145
>enough with this baiting.
Well, I suppose it's well enough that you've gotten tired and stopped on your own, then.

>>55144091
>i am smart enough to understand people like you and where your lack of ethics leads to.
Yes anon, you are so smart that you don't realize that you shouldn't go messing with other people.

>. i love insulting people like you and should you raise your hand against me i would love to kill you not for my name or merely to protect my life but to remove one more ambitious, unscrupulous human being from the face of planet earth.
Seeing how you are retarded enough to throw yourself in a death fight because you simply cannot act like a decent person, I'm pretty sure that will end for you. Really anon.

>Making it overall a better place.
Sure thing roleplayer. Removing another retard such as you will indeed improve it.

>he has none, all he has is ambition. he is literally defined by his will to be seen superior to others and will not stand it being questioned.
Yes anon, simply asking to not be insulted is like claiming to be superior. You should turn on your brain before posting.

>i question it, come hell or highwater.
Yes, please don't kill me with your shitposts.

>>55144145
>yes, killing another man in a duel that has been fought fairly according to rules isnt anything honorable. it's something antiquated and retarded.
And to think you could have avoided looking like an uber retard if you looked at the setting...

>>55144145
>yes, killing another man in a duel that has been fought fairly according to rules isnt anything honorable. it's something antiquated and retarded.
It's... because you said it is? Nice argument.

>>55132555
Seriously anon, do you have no interest in history?

>>55144930
im asking in the context of a apocalyptic world.

>>55142312
It's immoral and a disproportional retribution.

>>55145304
>It's immoral
Subjective. This fantasy society can hold standards different than ours.

>disproportional retribution.
Subjective. Honor can be hold as more important than life.

>>55144125
Only in some areas. Honour duels / honour based conflict is still pretty prevalent in areas without strong central authorities. In America we call them drive-bys.

Blood feuds are most certainly still a thing.

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If it's a matter of honor and prestige for you, your family, or your superior then you gotta step up and challenge the guy to defend what he says. Either he accepts and you take em down or he backs down like the lying coward he is. Don't dishonor your good name and shoot him in cold blood. Even the Wasteland has got some civility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie_ltlRVCrk

>>55132555
Our group kills everyone so DM stopped giving us NPCs

There actually three options, which is something many anons here aren't considering
>a. The guy who insulted you backs off and outs himself as a coward
>b. The guy who insulted you accepts the duel and you kill him
>c. The guy who insults you accepts the duel and kills you

What happens if C occurs?
Do you go down as the man willing to put his life on the line for honor? Or as the idiot who actually challenged that guy for an insult and died?

I feel like, when matters like this are being discussed, people in favor of defending their honor with violence assume that being insulted gives you some sort of superpower that will allow you to win the duel everytime.
Like some anime girl that suddenly gains enough strength to lift a 100 pound hammer and whack a man so hard they fly into low orbit because he touched her boob.

To go back in topic; Let's say you make a character that is quick to resort to violence when slighted. How would they handle being insulted by somebody clearly more powerful than them? Heck, how would they react to losing against somebody on their level, or lower?

>>55146049
You seem to be misunderstanding the nature of duels. You don't challenge someone to a duel over a small slight you overheard while at a party you attended. Duels take place after your adversary has been actively dragging your name through the proverbial dirt for an extended period of time, to the point where it's actively harming your social standing.

Duels also largely take place between peers. A superior mocking his underlings comes off as petty and you'll probably get more respect for shouldering it. Inversely an underling actively undermining his superior seems conniving or bitter and can expect to get challenged by his peers who have more respect for the superior.

Thats just for "classy" nobility and martial society duels however. In a wasteland scenario you ice every mother fucker who thinks their hot shit and tries to tear you down. It's not about honor, it's about being respected as the crazy motherfucker you are. If you're not in a position to retaliate right away, then you wait for the opportunity to arrive. Unless your character is stupid, then you go for it and die. Thats just good roleplaying.

>>55146578
Interesting, but I was refering to the anons (And users on other forums and communities) who seem hell bent on the idea of "defending their honor" and bring the idea of duels of old to justify their views.
While i appreciate you giving more insight into historical duels, by "more powerful" i meant somebody who will is more skilled than you (read: your character) and win, especially if they were the ones that started insulting you and damaging your reputation because they are sure of their capabilities, and have the skils to back it up.

>In a wasteland scenario(...)
This is the correct answer, given the context

>>55146760
Well in that case you cheat discretely and hope that's enough. That would actually be a decent mini-quest, finding a way to covertly and nefariously defeat a stronger opponent in a duel.

>>55132574
t. weak little manlet upset that he can't talk shit without getting stomped

>>55143434
>>55144003
And yet the one that insulted you is sobbing through broken teeth and bleeding to death while you stand over him laughing. Meaning you won.

>>55146578
>It's not about honor, it's about being respected
That is exactly what HONOUR is

>>55143324

It's when someone says an insult.

https://www.google.com/search?q=insult&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS697US697&oq=insult&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61j0j69i61j0l2.3642j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

>>55143792

It's not about a grievance of reputation.

It's about whether or not such a vile creature deserves to live.

>>55144003

Let them whisper. My actions will prove all truth. So long as they don't say it to my face then they do not die.

>>55132555
If it's in the true spirit of fallout, it should always be an option. However, from the lowest raider to leaders of post war polities, it should always have consequences. You can gun/bomb/slash/punch your way through life in the wasteland, and a lot of folks do. But the truly successful are the ones who have learned when to talk and when to fight.

Or you can be the asshole telling Joshua to put a cap in general gobbledygook. Your call

>>55142312
Society collapses if you're going to kill people for every insult.

It's especially bad in a culture focused around fighting and war, seeing those as the ways to get honor and glory. You have to be able to constantly direct that outward so you don't tear your own community apart.

>>55143434
It depends on the culture you're in. In some cultures refusing to fight - or just being unable to fight - when challenged is incredibly shameful. You're letting someone besmirch your honor, and it doesn't matter why - you're supposed to be doing something, and you're not.

There's a lot of places where you really don't have the choice to let an insult go. Getting a reputation as someone people can insult to their face shows petty weakness, and that is something that can be real fucking dangerous. More so if you also represent something else. If you are a Feudal Baron or motorcycle gang member you can't let shit go because an insult to you is also an insult to your people.

Don't make you crazy. You might fucking hate it, but you still have to kill an idiot because Clan O'Donald isn't a clan of bitches, so if someone calls you one you've got to make them swallow the words or choke on them.

>>55149706
Society is overrated.

>>55142899
Never saw Eddie as explicitly evil. He's just a dead guy always in a middle of some bloody mess with some stuff vaguely pointing at him as the perp, but nothing definitive.

>>55132555
depends on how hard he's going you, and what the culture is like. Up until the 18th century there very much were "fighting words" where people were willing to look the other way if you straight up merced a man for saying it, though that often times depends on who you were and who he was.

>>55149706

Not really. People who insult people aren't valuable the long-term health of a society.

>>55132555
When you have to for political reasons, ofc. If you want to kill someone for personal reasons your a child.

>>55149819

When you kill someone for reasons outside your own then you are a slave.

>>55149831
We're all slaves to mortality and our station in life friend. From slaves to Caesar we all must do what we must do.

>>55150073

Dude, you can't be a slave to something that is natural.

>>55150234
You are compelled to eat, to fuck, enjoy yourself. Your a slave to your own needs and desires. You can deny them as a slave would his master, and you will suffer for it. Some think its better to suffer like that, stoicists and some religions.

But you are a slave to your mortality.

>>55143792
It used to be, yeah. You are looking at it with modern morality which is the wrong way to go. Back when people looked at it more like "talk shit, get hit." If you don't go around insulting people, you ain't got to worry bout nothing. But if someone insults you and you don't defend your honor then people will just walk all over you.

>>55144003
Not how it worked, if the other guy is talking shit, and you kick his ass then that means that he was speaking lies because surely god has aided you against his vile slander....or you are just a bad ass motherfucker so people will think twice before shit talking you while you are in the room.

>>55132555

Is he useful alive?

If so, stay your hand (Most, if not all PC's are useful alive)

You may kill him, but not yet... not yet. (Save it for a finale or climax, with GM/PC discussion.)

>>55136821
>pet deathclaw
>not outcast/descendant of vault13 deathclaw that leads the raider gang
disappointing.

>>55150271

Homie, you are not a slave to what you want to do. You are taking up a pointlessly unhealthy outlook on life.

>>55150271

Men fear the chains that bind them to death, never to discover they run oiled and free from his domain.

We all run out of chain eventually. How far can you run with them? How many lengths can you carry?

The only thing that disgusts me more than nihilists are idiots who think they're nihilists. It doesn't fucking matter, stop whinging about it and go blow your face into a mountain.

>>55150408
That's not at all what I said. Specificity man. You don't HAVE to do anything. But unless you magically have the ability to turn off your desires then you are a slave to their existence. You either indulge or resist and suffer. It's not unhealthy to be realistic, it's unhealthy to fool yourself just to feel better.

>>55150438
How the fuck is it nihilistic to understand the concepts of mortal bounds of our lives and our human limitations?

Ok fuck off thinking you'll be a superstar one day and have billions of dollars and never die and be super happy. Sorry you aren't the special boy your mommy told you that you were you shortsighted twat.

>>55150463

I asked you questions, You're the one who assumed I intend to be god.

I walk where I want to and I carry what I can.

And when I'm done, I'm going to blow my face into a modest mountain with a single inscription.

"I found my limit here."

Anything else, and you're a disgrace to your biology "mortal".

>>55150447

Yes you did. You list things that humans want to do. You are the only one seeing yourself as a slave.

wuxia

>>55150525
That's saddest most fedora shit I have heard in a while friendo. You aren't escaping shit. You aren't surpassing shit. Your a sad bum who think's he's better because he didn't fail because he never tried.

>>55150533
See yourself as whatever you want five bucks says you still feel like eating from time to time. Prove your really free and just stop eating. Or are you just eating because you feel like it not cuz i told you to?

>>55150576
Frankly, nobody gives a shit what you think.

>>55132555
probably in case the insult hits a particularly sensible point, has enough roots (and witnesses) to have consequences or it's the 99th time the same NPC called you a brahmin-fucker

but overall, i'd say that a good beating+humiliation can do the job well enough

>>55150590
Apparently you do enough to get absorbed in a conversation about what I think on a Salvadorian finger trap collecting forum at 3am for the better part of an hour.

Get better bants faggot.

>>55150576

I'd be wounded if you knew a thing about anyone here.

As it is, you've failed the most basic litmus test of thriving: You seem to actively resent continued homeostasis.

I don't speak for all of us, but I think I speak for a few of us here when I say this.

In whatever you do/don't, Just don't make a mess for us. I might not make it to the heights I envision, but the most you can do is stay out of the way.

>>55150648
I thought you killed yourself at Columbine?

>>55149792
>running around the Wasteland, looking for salvage
>somehow trigger an explosive mine, blast knocks me out
>wake up to see a stranger tending my injuries
>as he sews up my wounds he says I'm an idiot for stepping on a mine
>muster my last strength to lift my gun and shoot him in the face
>bleed out from my injuries
>honor is satisfied

>>55151026

Why would you kill someone just for calling you an idiot?

>>55151044
... Because that's an insult?

>>55151069

Well were you an idiot for stepping on a mine?

>>55151083
An idiot never thinks he's an idiot, anon.

>>55151108

But were you an idiot for stepping on the mine?

>>55151158
Does that matter? The important part is that I felt insulted for being called one, and apparently that entitles me to murder.

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>>55151209
>>55151026
You are fucking retarded.

>>55151209

>I felt insulted that means I am insulted

Just because you feel something crawling on your back doesn't mean something is actually there.

Thank god you're not schizophrenic.

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>>55132555
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little shit?

>>55132555
Depends on what society your character is from.

Most medieval societies put tremendous import on honour and image. Accusing someone of, for example, being a thief could have extreme consequenses to the accused as it could potentially shatter the public image of him/her as an upstanding member of the community which basically meant a close to irreplacable stigma would be attached to the person.

A false accusation could therefore be seen as a mitigating circumstance which might drastically decrease, if not entirely remove any potential sentence. However I doubt that killing someone would go entirely unpunished in any society.

>>55134848
There's as difference between killing a guy in a duel and killing a man in a spontaneous fight.

>>55151827
I might be mistaken but I seem to remember that false accusations (atleast of the more severe degree) would, according to some old norse laws, net the accuser the status of becoming a niding (outlaw). As a niding you could be killed, on the spot, without legal repercussions.
To make it worse for the accuser, IIRC, any sentencing could only happen at the ting (the tribal meet) where the whole tribe gathered.

>>55149230
Yes, it's called civilization.

>>55132555
When you're carrying a big gun?

>>55151962
Depends on how much bubble gum he got.

>>55143741
>1000 year old child

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>>55149770
Excuse me?

>>55149606
>whats an insult
>an insult
confirmed troll

>>55132555
Literally whenever you want. It's a tabletop game, you can do whatever the fuck you feel like.

>>55151574
>>55151504
Are you saying that calling someone an idiot isn't an insult?

>>55152414
I think that the point to be made is some people don't feel derogatory words to be insults when they're factually correct.

For example, if I were to say to a person who drinks a glass of wine perhaps every other week a sopping drunkard, he's going to be insulted because he's not in fact a drunkard.

If I were to say that the local barfly - the guy who drinks four bottles a day and his liver is crying out for mercy, a drunkard, he may not consider that an insult, because it's accurate.

Similar, someone being an idiot for stepping on a mine could be considered true. That's no insult, it's a fact.

>>55152482
another point is when parents scold their children. it's to teach them (calling them idiots for doing a stupid thing) not to insult them

>>55152482
That seems to be a very optimistic view of how reasonable and fair-minded people are going to be about your negative remarks in this world where you can get away with murder by claiming that the victim was slandering you.

Besides, some factual statements are still insults. If I call you a son of a whore it doesn't actually matter what your mom does for a living, you're still probably going to do some very unpleasant things to me with an axe if you can get away with it.

>>55142748
>So you are saying that we should be ruled by fear?
Yes. Any culture that makes it out of the Stone Age is. You store crops because you fear the harsh winter. You build walls because you fear the invader. You build doors because you fear the criminal. You build civilizations because you fear the time when you'll be sick and alone.

>That we should tolerate insults because we are afraid of what happens if we stand up for ourselves?
Yes. That's literally what the rule of law is. Your actions have consequences, so you tolerate petty things because it's not worth bearing them.

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>>55132555
>"I might think that too, if I came from the seed of a drunk grave digger and the rancid womb of a whore."

>>55146049
>I feel like, when matters like this are being discussed, people in favor of defending their honor with violence assume that being insulted gives you some sort of superpower that will allow you to win the duel everytime.
No one thinks that. There is always a very real chance you can die. But defending your name is a worth reason for risking your life.

>>55151857
Considering that the end result is the same, one wonders why people don't players don't challenge those who insult them into duels more often.

>>55132555

When the person insulting you shows no fear of doing so. Allowing disrespect sends out a subconscious idea that you can be messed with without repercussions, which can mean the difference between life and death in an apocalypse. Killing them also gives the added bonus of making you seem unpredictable and extreme, further reinforcing that it is best not to cross you.

>>55153306
>one wonders why people don't players don't challenge those who insult them into duels more often.
The end result isn't the same. Yes, one person is dead, but the perception of the person still alive is different to the bystanders, if there are any.

If you kill someone without a reason bystanders will consider you unstable and a threat, and will plot to take your life. If you kill someone with a definite reason, they will understand crossing certain boundaries will lead to violence, and therefore avoid crossing those boundaries.


People kill what they don't understand. They respect what they *do* understand.

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>>55132555
>kill a few asshole NPCs
>GM either starts making them really strong or less dickheaded
Easiest way to find out if your GM is good or not.

>>55142748
Because maybe you don't want to deal with the crap that comes from killing this little shit later down the line.