Infinity General: Alien Pimp King Edition

>>55101158
I think the new Avatar is cooler and more intimidating.

Asking again in the new thread:
How do you run and support a Pain Train link? I am starting Corregidor and would like to build around a Brigada link.

>>55101281
http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/44453-a-primer-on-massed-armour-operations/

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>>55101234
Yeah but you didn't make the thread. I have a platform for my bullshit.

>>55101281
Brigada are pretty easy. Infiltrators and airborne troops for objectives, Jags for smoke, and either Rudy or a remote team for anti-camo. CJC has loads of cheap and order efficient button pushers, so it's a good environment for a big smashy link.

>>55101234
This.
Old Avatar looks like a retarded ballerina. All the older Infinity sculpts are pretty bad. But the new ones are all pretty nice.

>>55101334
Is it worth it using the Jaguar Haris option in such a list or is Senor Massacre too much?

>>55101234
Nope. The new Avatar is a hunter suit, not a command unit. It it were smaller it'd be a great Xeodron.

>>55101383
>not having your command units capable of hunting down things while giving orders
This is why the EI is winning.

>>55101334
I've made plenty of threads the last month, thought someone else might want to make their own lame jokes for a while. And OP is always a fag, anyway.

>>55101383
We already had one retarded argument too many on this shit.

>>55101362
Eh, he's good but he's also an expensive boy. If you're comfortable skimping on something else and figure he'll be more useful, then go ahead.

>>55101383
Really I think it's mostly the pose. And the gun, I don't know why they got rid of the integrated one. Giant robot that shoots you to death with its big rifle < giant robot that shoots you to death by casually motioning its hand in your direction

>>55101334
I totally forgot about that pic, now I'll be painting a brilliant smile on my Anathematic.

>>55101158
>new Avatar
>still no new Orbital Artillery munitions insects

Why even operate?

>>55101334
When making a Brigada core is it wise to go full with ML, HMG, Hacker and lieutenant all in one?

>>55101687
I prefer to drop one of them to cheapen the link, usually the ML. HMG is the only thing you absolutely need, though the LT is also very common since CJC doesn't have many good options in that regard.

Can Yu Jing run several HI outside a Wu Ming link in ISS properly? I'm thinking more a vanilla list since there's a new Dao fei in the red veil expansion but I am just not thrilled at playing the HI faction with only 2~ actual big boys

Also is the Guija any good? New sculpt is mighty tempting and I know tags aren't often very efficient but my gaming group is pretty lax

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>>55101234
I like the older one because it has more room for exotic patterns and unusual paint jobs.

>>55101897
>Can Yu Jing run several HI outside a Wu Ming link in ISS properly?
Well, I mean, there are Domaru+Haramaki links and Karakuri Harises.

You can comfortably field a vanilla list with three HI.

>Also is the Guija any good?

It's ok. The really bog standard type. Nothing to really make it stand out on its own, but still a power piece.

>>55101897
Yes. For vanilla I'd normally stop at about 4 with 2 big premium ones and 2 cheaper ones. You can get more in if you skew real hard though.
Sectorials are better in that regard, as ISS can do 5 or 6 with a WM link and extra solo piece while JSA can do even more since their HI tends to be cheaper.

Guijia is meh. It's nothing special, but can still be effective if you support it properly.

>>55101897
About the Guija, he is a decent killing machine, but slighly overcosted for what he is capable of.
No fancy tricks, just good guns and a mediocre pilot.
Most people use the mini to proxy the O-Yoroi, which is better in many regards.

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First attempt at list building. How bad is it, doc?

>>55102188
Could be worse, especially foe limited insertion.

>>55102188
If you are running a hi-link team, try to insert at the very least a paramedic, if not an actual doc.

>>55102229
So replacing a Moran with a Tomcat Doc would be alright, no?

>>55102269
Would be a decent alternative.

>>55101897
Only problem with the guija is you can get tag weapons on HI in china with the same BS as the tag so why bother spending 88 points when you can spend 53

Man, there needs to be Dogface terrorist sectorial.

A 5-man Wulver Core with a Dog-Warrior Duo would be tight as fuck.

As I mentioned some days ago, I had my first game in over a year which was also my second game of infinity in total.

> Met up at another friends allotment, where we usually play our tabletop games
> Set up a table, 200 points my CA against his Aleph, I go first
> We order some pizza inbetween
> Activate some transponder thingamajig of which there are three, try to take down a guy, a unidron goes unconscious 2, I move in with a slave drone and heal him up
> Shoot a warcor with my maakrep sniper, destry some antenae that gives an extra order, shuffle around some more, end of turn
> He moves around a bit, brings a TO marker closer to a unidron and my umbra lieutenant, reveals a boarding shotgun to my face
> Unidron goes UNC2, umbra dies, fuck
> We stop at this point to go to the gate and get our pizze
> Wait 10 minutes when I get a call, that the delivery guy was waiting at the wrong place
> We go down to meet him at a nearby super market, at first wanting to walk, but then decided to go by car
> We meet up with the delivery guy, get our pizza and want to drive back
> The one quick road back to the gate has at some fucking point been turned into a pedastrian zone, so we have to drive a looong way around
> Finally get back, gate has been closed, it's locked
> Don't have a key to get back in, only key I got is for my friends hut
> Drive to the lower gate, locked too
> Try to contact my friend, but he doesn't answer his phone
> We eat our pizza, then drive to the opposite end of the allotment where there is another gate
> That one is locked too of course, but at least its climbable
> Jump over the fence and get back to the hut, decide to call it a day at almost 11 pm
> Have to hieve our stuff and my bike over the fence
> Share a good laugh and be on our way


And that was my second game of infinity.
In hindsight we were glad we took the car for the ride, because otherwise it would have been locked inside and we certainly can't hieve that over the fence.

>>55102557
Yan Huo are slow as shit while TAGs are quite fast, and the extra toughness is a factor to consider. Guijia is certainly a more niche unit, but it does have some merit.

>>55102640
I blame Nomads.

>>55102640
>locked communities
*shudder*

>>55101310
He really doesn't address pain trains in that thread, he makes judicious use of suppression fire and utilizes the fact that the HI troops can be pushing up along different vectors.

>>55102557
The Guijia is faster, has a pilot for missions (until they update ITS), can allow you to bring REMs if you didn't bring a Hacker (not likely, but the option is there), has an arguably better suite of weapons, and are STR (big deal against Viral and the like).

The point increase is justified.

>>55103427
>arguably better suite of weapons
Eh. I could see the argument that a MULTI HMG+HFT isn't worse than an HRMC, but better is a bit of a stretch.

>STR (big deal against Viral and the like)
Anyone with more than 1 initial wound (such as HI) ignores the instakill element of viral, similar to how shock works. STR alone doesn't give you much aside from immunity to some CC skills like i-khol and protheion, without remote presence or a similar skill it doesn't even net you the 2 unconscious levels.
The wound/structure distinction is very minor compared to the fact that Guijia has 3 of them instead of 2, along with a decent ARM increase.

As someone who plays both YJ and CA I can tell you for sure it's got a lot more going for it than the Raicho. That's a case where the competition truly does make it obsolete.

>>55103427
viral is one of the better ways of dealing with tags if you don't have decent hackers or K1

yes, if you need a big rambo unit the tag technically should do it better, but nothing throws dice downrange better than an HRMC

>>55102188
I'd recommend swapping Moran for Daktari + Zondbot and upgrade one Jag to panzerfaust. Tomcats are cool but I'd want all the orders on the board for a 10 order list.

>>55101234
current Infinity models lose in personality what they get in details compared to the old ones.

>>55103882
>HMC vs MHMG and HFT
HMC has less negative range bands at longer range and one more Burst over the MULTI HMG, but for ARO you get Explosive Ammo. The HFT brings a lot to the table and fills the gap while being more versatile.

>STR v Wounds
STR can be repaired on the fly while W can not. You can only get wounds back after being unconscious. You're correct that once you have more than one wound you aren't worried about Viral, Shock, etc,. , but a single STR can't be instagibbed by by Viral was my point. So while that doesn't have to pertain exactly to the Guijia v Yan Huo argument, it does matter as STR is superior.

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>>55102876
Well it is that or letting the gypsies in, and trust me you do not want to have gypsies living near by. 2 years ago they got a 4 tier building in my city, with bathrooms, furniture etc. after 2 years, all the bathrooms, and kitchens are destroyed they destroyed everthing in 2 years and now asking the local goverment to fix their broken shit. It more or less looks like this pic

>>55104219
Thanks, completely forgot about the Daktari. Is having only one smoke in the army worth the panzerfaust though?

>>55102640
>hieve

I'm not hip with the lingo, but is that what the kids are calling it these days?

>>55104282
Being able to prone my HRMC has flat out won me games, so it's really just up to preference

Last tread LI ariadna player. Proxied the lists, first few games were fun, even very fun. I run in to a wall though, after the first two games my opponents started runing a ton of TR rems, specially those fucking rui shis and lu dans make me reap hair out of my head. Does anyone have any tips on dealing with TR rems in LI with ariadna, specially when multiples are being run.

>>55106150
By LI you mean light infantry or limited insertion?
Either way spec fire with LGLs is not something drones are fond of.

>>55106238
Or just a plain grenade from behind a wall, everyone and their dog has plain nades and high PH in Ariadna.

>>55105258
That's definitely in favor of the Yan Huo, being able to go prone. I won't argue that.

>>55104970
Omg I'm so sorry to get that one word wrong.
Here, let me make it clear for you old man.
I meant: heave.

Again, so sorry.

>>55101911

That's fucking cool

>>55101897

A lot of people are saying "meh" w/ the Guija.

These people are fucking dumb bitches.

The argument is "It's a no-frills TAG"

What they fail to realize is that TAGs are fucking deadly, especially w/ a MULTI HMG. Guija has the power to easily make its points back and them some. It's absolutely horrifying to face.

>>55102188

Looks badass. Have Intruder on one side of the table and Mobile Brigada on the other then you got a horrific crossfire for your opponent to deal with. Doubly so since you got Jaguars who can cover their advance.

>>55104054

Aren't STR units immune to Viral ammo?

Devil Dog should be fireteam duo

>>55107720

Nah, he's pretty much a tiny TAG for Ariadna. I'm not sure if Ariadna needs the power of a Devil Dog Duo.

>>55106150
Smoke is your friend.
Are you the no wolves Caledonia guy? Because McMurrough or Cameronians running through smoke to drop grenades on top of stuff that can't see him is pretty damn powerful. Though I guess you could also try doing that with Uxia.
And of course you can stack mods on them and outrange it. Caterans do that well, what with Camo, Surprise Shot and superior range. In cover you can easily stack a -12 on the thing. And since most of them only have BS 11...

>>55107856
He mentions Rui Shi, while not TR, can see trough smoke.

>>55108577
Rui Shi are not TR though, which makes plain outranging/outshooting them easier.

>>55107710
good lord no, they usually have BTS to protect them but the only thing they're immune from is the shock effect. viral still can do 2 damage per hit on a tag.

>>55108947

Ouch, that's a vicious numbers game.

Hey anons, so I'm pretty new to Infinity (only have 5 games under my belt so far) and I've been wondering about fireteams. Could anyone here give me a brief rundown on the pros and cons to fireteams and how to properly go about setting them up?

>>55109341

Fireteams are essentially a highly efficient way to get a lot of guys down the board.

Fireteam composition is pretty expansive. You could have them set up to be able to handle any threat that they come across at multiple ranges. You could have them operate at a single range and just camp that range. You could have them solely to buff a single guy who is always fireteam leader. You can have them be a flexible toolkit that has the ability to remove threats and take objectives.

The only con is that you are running a sectorial so don't have all the options of vanilla and that they have to be in coherency of the fireteam leader, meaning AoE weapons can be some real bad news.

>>55101158
Thanks, doc.

>>55109618
Okay, how do I set up core fireteams? I see the special rule allowing duo's and Harris fireteams. Can anything be in a core fireteam? And can you mix and match various units into said fireteams?

>>55109663
Option 1. Go into Infinity Army.
- anything that has Fireteam:Core in its skills (in the sectorial, it won't show in vanilla) can form a core team (duh).
- if anything can mix into a core team (like a named Spec-Ops), it will be mentioned as a note in either that unit or the base unit for the fireteam. If it's not mentioned, it's composed of the base unit only.
- Haris fireteams usually (always?) need a special loadout that has the Haris profile. It has to be in the team, if that model dies the haris falls apart even though it could become a 2-model link otherwise.
- Tohaa triads link like cores but: have max. 3 models per link, can have many links at the same time, can be composed of any units with the Triad skill (can mix and match so Gao-Rael+Makaul+Ectros triad is OK)
- Enomotarchos are limited to 4 models per link, can have many links at the same time, must have at least 1 Enomotarchos model pof the appropriate type (Myrmidons/Thorakitai/Dactyls) in each link.
- Spec-Ops (of the type you construct from XP) links like a plain model of its type, so Fusilier-Indigo links like a normal Fusilier, Hafza-Husam links like a normal Hafza, etc.

>>55109663
>>55109836
Option 2: Go into the army lists PDFs, they should have AVA tables, allowed links are listed somewhere in there. IArmy will get you by though.

>>55109836
Alrighty, awesome! Thanks anon.

>>55109836
>- Spec-Ops (of the type you construct from XP) links like a plain model of its type, so Fusilier-Indigo links like a normal Fusilier, Hafza-Husam links like a normal Hafza, etc.
It's worth mentioning that these do NOT count against the AVA of their base types, so it's totally possible to make a 5-men link of 3 Fusiliers+Indigo Spec-Op+Bipandra in MO, despite Fusiliers having AVA 3.

>>55109892
Well, except for the small issue of Bipandra not being a man :^)

>>55107451
Guijia also has the power to die like a bitch against a foe who knows what they're doing. TAGs suddenly become a lot harder to use when your opponents learn how easy they can be to counter.

>>55110102
Better use your TAG well and to its full potential, then :^)

>>55107856
yes, I am the person who doesn't want to use wolf people.
I tried using greys to smoke, and it was effective in first 2 games, but then they started runing one or two ruishis

>>55104702
It might not be. You could also try to do 2x zondbots instead of the panzerfaust Jag.

>>55109663
http://infinitythewiki.com/en/List_of_Fireteams
Do note vanilla (non-sectorial can not form fireteams normally

>>55111437
Just outranging and shooting them with an HMG is a good counter to Rui Shis. Or if they're positioned in suppressive fire where you can't outrange them just use grenades to hit them around corners. On the reactive turn things are a little more difficult, but Caterans and camo ML Scot Guards are solid ARO platforms that can at least scare off or slow down the relatively short range Rui Shi. Suppressive fire is also a useful tool, though it can't be used inside a link team.

>>55104664
Where the fuck do you live? The gypsies in Texas are fine.

>>55112040
probably in europe
gypsies are a fucking plague there
subhuman scavengers

>>55112161
Yet for some reason they work just fine in America. America's gypsy population is actually bigger than Europe's. I'm thinking the problem is Europeans not Gypsies. Either that or America is just that great.

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>>55112205
>I'm thinking the problem is Europeans not Gypsies.

In the main it often is. It's the same reason why the statistics in regards to blacks are so different between Europe and America. America has large sections of its population with lots of deep seated hatreds and phobias in regard to them, and the same is true in Europe with gypsies.

So I'm making a chess set for someone using infinity models, and it's going to be humans vs combined army, so far I've completely designed the combined army side, but I'm having some difficulty with the human side. This person doesn't play infinity, so the only thing that really matters is the looks of the model. What I have so far for the human side is probably either saladin or sun tze, pawns are going to be USARF grunts, and knights are going to be father knights. Bishops are going to be some sniper most likely, I just haven't decided what exactly yet, and rooks are probably going to be some heavy infantry. I have no idea who to make the queen though. I would do joan, but I'd like to get them their board before the new one comes out, and they don't want to pay for a limited edition one. The only other human badass females u can think of are uxia mcniel and Isobel mcgregor. Maybe I'll do a Reverend Moira or healer. Thoughts?

What is the best way to strip paint from infinity models? Would using simple green cleaner work?

>>55114083
I use straight acetone. It destroys plastic though, so make sure to get there model off the base first

>>55112205
>I'm thinking the problem is Europeans not Gypsies
Just a cursory look at Gypsy communities in Europe would quickly make you realize how wrong you are.
A Gypsy community is basically a mono-ethnic, inbred thieves' guild. They don't send their kids to schools (in a country with free education), teaching them how to beg and pickpocket instead, they live from begging and thievery and they outright refuse to take part in any kind of socializing drives. There was a town with a sizeable Gypsy community that ran a drive for Gypsies to find jobs. In 7 years not a single one even applied.

And I don't even live in Romania where they are the worst.

>>55114037
Kusanagi is a bit of an old model but has quite a dynamic pose that'd work well as a queen.
Sin eaters or reverand moiras might look good as bishops, with the advantage that in game they're religious units.

>>55114974
>moiras
Custodiers, maybe, to not involve the bare asses of the Moiras.

>>55106256

It's funny because the dogs literally do have grenades in Ariadna.

>>55104234

Depends

Half of them are become kinda generic but the others still or even have more personality while became less retarded, imo.

I think its because CB have different sculptor working for this game, each with their own style (One can be generic but the others can be more dynamic), unlike GW that was working more like an unified team.

>>55111437

First: Grow a pair and tell your playgroup to stop playing Limited Insertion.

Second: Shoot Rui Shi like normal. Yeah it has MSV 2 but it still dies to HMG fire. Vs. Husongs either spank them with a linked HMG or get within 16" with an infiltrator and shoot them from cover. Or, even better, throw smoke grenades in front of them and ignore them.

>>55115286
To add on to this, once you convince someone to play normal games try to stick around 16-18 orders at most. Immediately proving their fears justified wouldn't be good form, and they'd go back to LI pretty much immediately. Metas that rely on limited insertion tend to do so because it solved a problem they used to have with high order Ariadna armies shitting up the place.

>>55115363

My meta had that problem till I started running a T-Drone list to prove a point.

More than 20 orders is subtoptimal imo. I've played 20 order lists (in 400 point games) and been pretty content.

>>55115402
What does a T drone list look like and how would that help versus camo?

>>55114974
Kusanagi queen, Bran monkey king, sineater bishops, moira knights, riot grrl rooks, and moderator pawns. I want to make it happen now.

>>55115204
Ehh. In the past CB employed far more freelancers and people inside house, because hand sculpting is slower and you could sometimes easily tell the sculptor just from looking the mini. Nowdays there are couple of in house sculptors (the rest moved to other duties) and some freelancers they outsource to.

I fon't know the inner workings if GW, it might be that they just give less artistic freedom to their sculptors, it might even be that they want the people to not know the sculptors, but relate to the company instead.

>>55111437
>I am the person who doesn't want to use wolf people.
>in Caledonia
Literally why

>>55112439
It's funny because I haven't had a good night's sleep in like 4 days

>>55114507
*Rromania :^)

>>55115199
thejoke.jpg

>>55115007
Sin-Eater mk12 with bare ass now!

>>55116741

I think he wants to play the most tacticool faction and thinks werewolves are Unrealistic(TM)

>>55116760
>Caledonia
>tacticool
Well, there is SAS, but...

>>55116741
>Literally why
I don't like furries, but I do like how volenteers, SAS or non hood uxia look like. You know normal realistic stuff.

>>55117019
I see how you didn't mention Galwegians, Wallace, Mormaers and Greys. So, you like a whole 3 units from Caledonia? Why not just play vanilla Ariadna and make a proper tacticool force without gimping yourself?

>>55117019
>running around in kilts
>realistic
It's okay to not like the dogs, I'm not a fan myself. But they do provide some good utility.

>>55117072

Because he wants to purposefully gimp himself so he can whine like a bitch when he can't win games.

>>55117019

Go play a different fucking game then. Infinity is cyberpunk anime in space. Play Bolt Action or something.

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>>55117019

Seriously anon, go watch Dog Soldiers. It's the reason why Dawn has werewolves on it.

>>55117220
Rood. Not wanting to play some unit(s) for aesthetic choices is pretty valid.

>>55117428

Not really. That's when you make a conversion.

>>55117478
Depends on the case. Dog warriors don't have a fluffy alternative, unless you decide archaic robots are okay in your headcanon.

>>55117490

You're already going against the fluff by ignoring Dog Warriors. Alien/human hybrids are part of Ariadna's armed forces, deal with it or find a new faction.

>>55117490
In that case you stop being a furfag, remove the fluffy bits, buy suspicious Arabic drugs and make them 8ft tall supersoldiers.

>>55117542

Werewolves are not furries.

>>55117556
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>>55117519
They are very small in numbers. Hell, Wulvers are pretty much non-existent outside of Caledonia.

You don't have to love every model in faction to play it, Pavel.

>>55117601

It just pisses me off when people don't use certain units and then expect to have a fair chance. This is not a setting where your tacticool 20th century doodmanz are going up against hi-tech space Eurotrash and Chinamen and you win anyway because 'Murica (Or Scotland, in this case). Use the damn Antipode units, when appropriate; they aren't furry, they're fucking aliens, werewolves are not furry.

I hope the Caledonia player loses until he starts using Cameronians/Wulvers or quits the game and sells his models to someone who will actually play.

>>55117797
>werewolves are not furry.
>implying the Antipode Pack Controller isn't fucking all three/one of them
Though I suppose she's the furry in that case.

>>55117797
>werewolves are not furry

This, werewolves are monsters. You know the furry meme is out of control when you're calling werewolves 'furry'.

That said, if you don't like those units and don't want to use them, then that's your choice. I will advise the Caledonia player, though - Caledonian is kind of the werewolf faction. They get a lot of their tools from them, and in fluff they're alongside USAriadna as the most accepting and tolerant of dogfaces. Wulvers are something that doesn't exist elsewhere.

If you don't want to bring any werewolves to the fray, you may want to run Vanilla.

>>55117797
>they aren't furry, they're fucking aliens, werewolves are not furry
desu even if they were you don't need to want to fuck all your troops. You could always just field your werewolves platonically. Just because I use Shasvastii in my lists doesn't mean I'd bang them. I mean, I would, but that's beside the point

>>55117797
>It just pisses me off when people don't use certain units and then expect to have a fair chance.
Me too.
>I'll fight with my eyes closed and with one hand tied behind my back!
>wait wtf why is the game so hard?
>cb a shit, go bow to my arbitrary requirements, no but not in that way I don't like those!

>>55117931
>If you don't want to bring any werewolves to the fray, you may want to run Vanilla.

Or the Frenchmen. They only have one character dogman.

>>55101158
Wait, there's a new Avatar sculpt? What does it look like?

>>55118137
You can mistake it for the new Szalamandra or an overgrown Xeodron.

>>55118137
Thicc.

>>55118137
The rest of the Ur construct line (Unidron, Xeodron, etc.), which makes sense.

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>>55118137
Like so.

>>55118094
They're also the faction that hates dogfaces the most, right? Or is that the Kazaks?

II know Loup-Garou are dogface-hunters.

>>55118390
>II know Loup-Garou are dogface-hunters.
They're turbo-riot police, they only hunt ones that are actually a danger to Merovingian society.

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>>55118170
Couldn't find murkier pick, I see.

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>>55118595
Like an upscaled Skiavoro

>>55118595
That helmet really reminds me of something.

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>>55118170
>>55118595

The other one gives it a bigfoot sighting vibe. Makes it more sinister.

>>55118595
Kind of gives be a Doom vibe desu. Like somebody grabbed a demon from hell and strapped a bunch of mechanical shit to it.

That gun still has to go though. You can kill inferior meatbags while lugging around a big rifle, but you can't make it look effortless. You either aim it with both hands and look like you're a pleb who has to try hard to win, or you one-hand it like a pistol and just look kind of stupid. I expect my alien overlords to have more style than that.

>>55118595
I like it, aside from the helmet. I feel like it could be more alien. Also, I reckon it shouldn't have an actual gun. The gun on the profile should just represent its reality-warping effects, IMO. Last time I faced an Avatar I mobbed it with four Wulvers, and the idea that it just splattered one with a burst of spatial distortion before they jumped on him and tore his head off is far cooler than him mowing one down with a big gun.

Other than that it looks like a really good model, and I think I'll wait to pass judgement on the helmet until I see how a good paintjob brings out its facial features.

>>55118137
Generic nu-CA shit.

>>55118989
Thank you for your valuable input, Jimmy.

>>55117072
well alwagians are more of a can't buy thing, would buy them if I could. I do have 2 greys with hmgs, use one in every list. I just didn't have the 3+ some of the example lists shown. I also have and like scots guard, even if they are a bit slow. Mormaers I always found bad, tried them out with the lists people proposed and I still think they are no where near as good as other factions HI, but bettern then I though. Still I have 0 models for them, in casual games it aint a problem, but I can't use bases in normal pick up games. And I don't want to play vanila Ariadna, because I dislike the kazaks models.

>>55117220
people only play w40k, Infinity and warmahordes here. And small scale historicals. I don't want to play historicals, and I don't have the money to buy two warmahorde lists or one w40k list.
>>55117244
When I was six a dog that was chained near by got loose and bit me, a few times. I fear and hate dogs. Am not going to watch a film about them.
>>55117556
yes, and kebad is not made out of cats.

>>55117797
But I had a fair chance, before everyone started playing LI exclusvily. Am neither a super good player, nor is caledonia the top faction, but I was winning around every 3ed game. Since last christmas tournament I won 2 games. One because my opponent didn't show up, and one because my opponent had to suddenly leave and it was the end of my turn 1, with him starting. It is just stoped being fun to play, and before it was very fun to play, even if I wasnt winning all the time. And I do not have a limitless stash of money to suddenly switch to alpeh or yu jing.

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>>55119028
>When I was six a dog that was chained near by got loose and bit me, a few times. I fear and hate dogs. Am not going to watch a film about them.

Wow, what a pussy

>>55119163
I think the pussy word is not warrented. Pussies are people who are afraid of something that isn't realy scary. I can't walk properly because of dogs, and if my older brother didn't save me, I would be dead.

>>55119163
terrified of dogs, is a better description I think. Plus those fuckers always go crazy when they see or smell me.

So why does this game have the best miniatures on the market?

>>55119028
If you don't want to use dogs, Galwegians make a fine alternative. And they also make a fine bubble wrap for Wallace. Save some money for them.

>>55119313
>>55119330
"Pussy" perfectly describes a person that can't watch a horror movie about werewolves. Phobias are tough, but man up when it comes to imaginary shit.

>>55119330
They can smell your fear

>>55119369
Dude, a phobia is irrational and fires up even to pictures of the object of phobia. Are you just trying to stir shit?

>>55117797
>It just pisses me off when people don't use certain units and then expect to have a fair chance.
Are you fuming if someone makes a PanO list without a Swiss Guard too?

>>55119413
Yeah because that usually means they are taking a Cutter.

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>>55119028
>yes, and kebad is not made out of cats.
It's not. cat tastes different than dog

>>55119427
Joke's on you, the real no-exceptions auto-include for PanO is Joan.

>>55119028
Just LI is a pain, and not just to Ariadna or Haqq. My Corregidor lists usually end up being 12-15 Orders under normal circumstances, I don't want to be forced into playing Brigada Pain Train and Wildcats don't perform in LI very well. Well, worse than usual. LI is a fun diversion, but playing nothing other than LI is too limiting.

Recently I played an interesting format: 400pts, 16 orders limit, at least 100pts have to be spent on TAGs/HI (not that you really could make a list otherwise) and 16XP Spec-Ops.

>>55119572
Yeah, my armies are actually alright in LI (one is in fact Caledonia, but I'm okay with Wulvers which makes it easier) but it can still wear thin eventually. I hate running Corregidor or Tohaa with anything less than 12 orders.

That said, it does bring a smile to my face when I'm running ALEPH and my opponent asks if I want to go LI for the game.

>>55119572
Interesting I never played more 400pts. The limit of orders would deal with the possible army bloat. Seems like a fun format.

>>55119369
dude as I said, I live in a rural area, there are no "happy" dogs here. All of them hate me, and go crazy when they seem me. I had 2 accidents when a pack of wilde dogs tried to get me, only then I was already in my 20s and dogs struggle to deal with a man with a fence post. And the dog the hurt me when I was a kid, was not imaginery. I do not want to see them, if I could pick it I wish all dogs were dead.
>>55119374
fuck them and what they smell, If a dog comes anywhere near me I gets a stone or a cane if it comes closer.

>>55114507
Thing is that rings hollow. It's like Canadians hating natives even though they're constantly fucking the natives. "oh we briefly stopped fucking you, why didn't you make something of yourself". Same thing with how Americans fuck black people.

Americans are too stupid to tell Gypsies apart from tan Italians or white Mexicans. This means we don't generally actively fuck them. This means they have an employment rate higher even than whites if you include Appalachians as "white" or slightly lower than whites if Appalachians don't count.

I'm fairly certain that all whites would end up like Appalachians if they were forced into shitty Appalachian jobs.

>>55119805
>Thing is that rings hollow.
Try going near any Gypsies in Easter Europe and it's your pockets that are going to be hollow.

>>55119805
Thing is nobody forces Gypsies into their situation. Quite the contrary, there are many programs for education and integration into society. They don't want any of it. Living like a criminal in their isolated societies is their choice and nothing you do will make them change their mind.

>>55119904
Yeah we're not forcing Appalachians to live in their shitholes either. Yet somehow as soon as we stop sending them hand crafted labor jobs they all get addicted to opiates and start working at best Walmart jobs. It's cause you need actively be extending a hand to get that sort of society to break down into a better one.

Like if you stopped giving libertarian tech school graduates Silicon Valley jobs they quickly turn into those weird swamp dwelling bitcoins or other sorts of freed men on the land.

Yeah can't just leave a path open. You need to make that path more attractive than sitting on their asses. So the US just demanded the same of them that we demand of whites. Get a job and pay taxes or else the IRS will take all your fucking trailers. Just like to get a hillbilly to become productive the US needs to make moving out and getting a good job more attractive than popping pills. Which we've just given up on cause the pill companies like them as complacent wage slaves.

>>55119028
>When I was six a dog that was chained near by got loose and bit me, a few times.

Me too. Sort of, anyway. When I was that age I was living in Paris and some shitty frog hobo decided he wanted my croissant (I'm not even fucking kidding here), so he set his rabid hobo hound on me.

I now own three dogs.

>>55119369
Nah, phobias are involuntary reactions. Mulder had a phobia of fire but he wasn't a pussy. That said, you should try to work through them rather than blaming the problem on the rest of the world.

>>55120048
Leave it up to Americans to explain to us uneducated savages what exactly is wrong with society.

>>55120175
We fixed our Gypsies, why can't you fix yours?

Now could you help us with fixing our electoral parties, education, healthcare, labor protections, and infrastructure maintenance. Cause we don't really have a handle on all of that.

>>55120384
You didn't fix them, they are almost a completely different ethnic group. Just how Africans have little in common with Afro-Americans or oldfag yanks with brits.

>>55120470
A different ethnic group that we created out of your shitty one.

>>55120614
I don't know much about American gypsies outside of Holywood movies but don't they live in trailer parks and shanty towns doing petty crime for a living?

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>>55120850
Nomad Gypsies?

>>55120897
No, seems like alien gypsies.

>>55120048
dude you can't make an offer better to a clan based sociaty, which is no more and no less an orgnised crime organisation, that earns a ton of cash and doesn't pay taxs, and spends it on huge villas for their leaders in places like bulgaria or romania. They don't go to schools, which are free here, they do not want to. they sell their daughters as beggers, to gypsies living in france/italy/spain. They train their boys to pick pocket and rob stuff. Ah and if someone tries to "leave", which happens only to those who somehow make career in music, they have to pay a special "tax" to the gypsis family heads they whole life. And if they, they get killed. there is no job you can offer them that makes as much money as stealing/begging, specially those at the top and their enforces who control the whole community.

>>55120129
yeah see this, one time dog hurt you. I had 3 times when I ended up in hosptial, because of dogs and daily attacks from dogs till I grew big enough to wack them every time I see them.

To use the mulder example, he would have to live in a place that is constatnly on fire to have more or less the same thing. The worse thing is that my parents, like every here, breed dogs to keep others from stealing. And those dogs hated me, and dad when he was drunk found it "funny" for the smaller dogs to chase me and bite me, till my brother or my sister would chase them away.So Fuck dog, may a plague wipe them all out. They do nothing a human guard or a good fence won't do.

>>55102640
Nomads locked your gate.

>>55118602
I like the Skiavoro regardless what anyone says.It plays well but the most annoying thing is the one structure. Viral weapons wreck it.

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>>55121538
Fuck man you crack me up.

Honestly, it sounds like dogs weren't really your problem growing up - the disgusting people in your family/neighborhood were. Dogs don't randomly attack people unless they're trained to.

Seriously though rate my list.

>>55121586
It's got NWI, and the "instakill 1W models that fail save" doesn't work with STR.

>>55108962
Cover and BTS 6 on a Su Jian or Guijia means the avg Viral weapon only causes damage on a 4 or less though.

>>55121673
Honestly prefer Uxia over the scots guard.
Hope for Armory, keep Wallace safe.

>>55121673
Is it possible to make a more aggressive list than this?

>>55119904
Nailed it.
The nails were later pried out and sold for scrap.

>>55120659
Those are just vanilla Cigići, you're thinking about the sectorial. For one, those only move in groups of at least four.

>>55122264
Yes. Wallace core with Galwegians and make the Wildcats a haris. Add Uxia.

>>55121673
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkuu0Lwb5EM

>>55123082
It would be nice to have animal/alien creatures outside Ariadna. You know, beside pupniks. Like Helots for Varuna.

>>55123459
Hell, I'd be content with Helot HVT- or even Bootleg mini.

>>55123459
Do we even know what Helots are?

>>55123550
Some kind of sea monkey last I looked into it. Enough to give Cutters and Kamau trouble though.

>>55121760
Huh, i was told in my LGS that viral just wrecks it. . . Darn

>>55123550
There's a pretty detailed description in RPG (basic appereance, life cycle etc.), but I don't think there has been a pic yet anywhere.

Naturally Tohaas have fucked with their genome at some point, because space artichokes are dicks.

>Helots— who refer to themselves as the Omn— are an amphibious species. Roughly humanoid in shape, with a long muscular tail that they use for locomotion in the water and long, spindly limbs that end in six-digit grasping extremities with black, retractable claws. Their skin is an iridescent blue-grey. They have wide, flat-faced heads with two bulbous eyes.

>Their skulls do not completely encase their brains, which instead bulge out of the back of their heads and are protected with a highly muscled, flexible mantle. Similar muscular tissue fills their chest cavity, protecting their internal organs from the pressures of the deep ocean and assisting with respiration. The iridescent quality of their skin is caused by pigment proteins that are used to reinforce their body language underwater.

>>55122821
Romi sectorial next book?

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>>55121673
>d'ya like dags?

Perfect, nice summary of the entire thread.

>>55123801
Fun fact. The Paradiso Digester (metaplot Mcguffin) was originally from Varuna and transported to Paradiso by Tohaa.

Depth they're in has radical effects in Helot Physiology and Psychology.

>One thing the PanOceanians immediately noted was that the Helots are awful workers at any depth: In the deeps they are lazy. On the surface they lack focus. Once the source of “Helot schizophrenia” was identified, however, PanOceanian scientists created pressure suits that would stabilize their personalities. This had the immense benefit of turning them into industrious workers at any depth, creating a sizable labour force for the colonisation effort.

>Unsurprisingly, however, these pressure suits have proven controversial. Many of the Helot who choose to wear them speak highly of them, claiming that they grant a clarity of thought that they seemed to lack at any depth. Their critics, however, claim that these Helots have been blinded by their oppressors. The Libertos terrorist group, in particular, has made a point of targeting the suits, which are stolen in large numbers, smashed to pieces, and then piled up like blocks in a pyramid in public places.

>>55123801
The doom that came to sarnath.

>>55123801
Does the RPG say the Tohaa moved the digestor... Or that they fucked with the Omn?
I have read the rulebook but no more than that for the lore.

>>55123995
>What humans have not yet realised— and which only a few of the kossomn and pod-legacies remember in mythologised oral histories — is that the tete-kulu are the result of genetic experimentation by the Tohaa, who came to Varuna long before humanity did and—in an effort to create expendable cannon fodder for their war against the EI — attempted to heighten the aggressive tenden- cies of the species. When the Tohaa were done, they added the most successful subjects to their armies, and then abandoned their Oomnya colony (which they had named after the Omn, aka the Helots).

>When the Tohaa colony of Oomnya was abandoned, the seed-copy of the Digester which had been kept there was intercepted by the Tohaa Triumvirate. It was this Digester which was taken to Paradiso and triggered the secret history of the planet.

Tete-kulus being unusually aggressive helots.

>>55123742
It does, but not to the extent it would a W model of similar stats.

>>55123918
>d'ya like dags?
Perfect.

Let's say I've got an Ayyar shooting at a tag/remote at favorable range. Should I use the viral pistols or rifle+redscreen?

So the situation on Varuna is basically ESWAT vs Street sharks.

>>55124369
Yes.

also what the fuck is a redscreen

>>55119028

>kebad is not made out of cats

what

>>55119028

>But I had a fair chance, before everyone started playing LI exclusvily. Am neither a super good player, nor is caledonia the top faction, but I was winning around every 3ed game. Since last christmas tournament I won 2 games. One because my opponent didn't show up, and one because my opponent had to suddenly leave and it was the end of my turn 1, with him starting. It is just stoped being fun to play, and before it was very fun to play, even if I wasnt winning all the time. And I do not have a limitless stash of money to suddenly switch to alpeh or yu jing.

Well then your solution is fucking clear - get them to stop playing LI or stop posting in this thread. It's not our problem. Stop shitting up the thread with your "hurr dur I'm afraid of dogs and I purposefully gimp myself when playing a single, already restricted sectorial, why can't I win guys?"

Grow up, stop being a useless fucking child, get your group to stop playing LI or start using Antipode units.

>>55124462
E/M. Should have just said so but apparently not everyone has played xcom.

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>>55119795

>I live in a rural area, there are no "happy" dogs here

The problem is clearly you, not the dogs. Dogs are man's best friend. They can tell when someone is a shitty person. You're probably a selfish, childish little prick and they can tell when you get near.

The death of a thousand people like you would be worth it for the life of one puppy.

>>55124369
Usually pistols, but stuff like Gorgos are invulnerable in cover save crits.

>>55124667
I'm 85% sure the anti-robotic ammo in xcom was bluescreen rounds, not redscreen

>>55124739
>>55124667
>modern X-com
>sequel to boot

Only found some bug fixing videos by googling red screen.

>>55124692
Well, you sound like a shitty person, tbqh.

>>55119795
>fuck them and what they smell, If a dog comes anywhere near me I gets a stone or a cane if it comes closer.
how can you even wonder why they have a negative reaction to you?

>>55124692
There are three types of dogs here. Chain dogs, crazy mad, attack everything that comes near, including the onwers. Dogs that people breed for fights, crazier then the chain dogs. And wild dogs, which are dogs that escaped either from breeding farms or someone didn't want to kill a chain dog and let him loose, and the dog didn't die. Those are real bastards, attack everything that lives and breaths, cows,deers, people. Hunter each year shot as many as possible, but they breed like crazy. The only thing wild dogs do not attacks are herds of boars, and only because boars get crazy big right now with corn being planted instead of wheat.

>>55124589
no I don't want to use wulvar, because I don't like their esthetics. I was responding to the person that told me that watching some film about dogs is going to make me like dogs.

As to make others play the way I want, how do you expect that to happen. Everyone else who doesn't play ariadna doesn't have a problem playing LI, and all the other ariadna players stoped playing, so it would be me trying to make 16 people play the way I want, when they like it the way it is not, specially the new players.

Do every second poster in this thread live in Africa or something?

>>55124869
They attack first, and no one goes in to the woods without a strong cane, and even that doesn't always work. One of my aunts went out to gather smardz and was attacked by wild dogs, ended up in hospital because of the attack. Last year some escaped from a breeding factory here, and till hunters shot them all, people had to escort children to the boss stop, because they were attacking children.

>>55125093
I live in europe.

>>55125084
Not a single one of 16 players want to branch out of LI? Are they a hivemind? Maybe try to arrange a theme day for more adventurous modes of game. Not just games outside LI, but games in different point sizes.

That could work too. Ask for 200 points games.

>>55125156
I too.

>>55125141
Luckily winters take care of most strays here. The problems arise if they breed with wolfs.

>>55125084
>I was responding to the person that told me that watching some film about dogs is going to make me like dogs.

It's a movie about murderous werewolf soldiers. Do try to keep up.

>>55125093
>Infinity general: third world countries edition

>>55125093
Worse.
Eastern Europe.
KURWA

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>>55125213
But nobody has announced themselves as American yet?

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>>55125243
Playerbase reflects game.

What's the max number of dogs you can field? I've gotten up to 8
>Antipode pack
>Devil Dog team
>Dog Warrior or Cameronian
>Mirage 5
>Voronin).

>>55125141
Kurwa, stary, ja pierdolę, gdzie ty mieszkasz? o_O

>>55125185
In the past winters did finish most dogs. Sadly the last 9 years there were real winter. fucking dogs breed like crazy, beavers are protected by crazy eco freaks and destroy woods and flood fields, boars get fat on corn so fast, so that without real winters sows now breed twice a year, they fucking desolate fields in 40-50 huge herds. Meanwhile our goverment thinks it is a good idea to limit the number of weapons per hunter even more, when we are already the country in europe with the smallest number of weapons per capita. But the dogs are the worse, boars, beavers are stupid animals, boars unless they are with pigglets do not attack people and most of all do not seek out humans to attack them, unlike dogs. Sometimes I wish for a big rain storm that would wash up all the left over mines from the hills down to the streams and rivers where those fuckers go to drink, so they would end up being blown up.

>>55125318
McMourough

>>55125195
I have seen my share of murderous soldiers live in the 90s. seen them then, do not feel the need to see them again.
>>55125318
Crna Gora, braty.

>>55125339
Not available in vanilla unless playing relaxed mercs. And that's a can of worms. But yeah, it is a possibility.

>>55125195
Well actually it's really about murderous soldiers fighting murderous werewolves.

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>>55125356
Is the entirety of this general Poland + ex-yu?

>>55125356
That would explain the mines.

>>55123801
>>55123924
>>55124182
So, do we know how they're actually treated by PanO? Better than Antipodes, worse than Antipodes?

>>55125383
No, there's also a few Russians, a Lithuanian, a Slovak, and a few other shitty countries.

>>55124954
You live somewhere in Eastern Europe, don't you? I'm so sorry man.

Dags are great.

>>55125410
This is why we need PanOceania IRL.

>>55125440
Fuck no. I'd rather emigrate to actual Russia, with all its shittiness and all. At least there people are still prople and not slaves to the AI.

why yes, I do play Nomads as well

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Oh man, I'm from Brasil and these threads make me feel good living down on huehue land.

>>55125383
German. The dogs here are mostly adorable goofballs and the ones that aren't are muzzled.
Can't complain really, except for the poop. Was more of a problem when I had a flat next to a dog park though.

>>55125464
I dunno man. We got rid of socialism some 30 years ago. Though I guess it's warm all year in your land.

>>55125504
Also we're lucky that those crazy slav troll metas don't exist on the tropics.

>>55125383
I'm from Clapistan although it's been quite some time since I last played the game, so maybe I don't really count.

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Here's an interesting topic.
I've been thinking about a mat and this one caught my eye. As I have a lot of industrial and warehouse type terrain (as well as actual Icestorm) I thought this would be perfect to finish up my table.
However a local tournament player noted how the print shows clearly where the DZs and middle of the table are and where the quadrants are for quadrant based-scenarios. In his opinion this makes the mat "unplayable" (same with Terminus Segments from MAS, though those IMO are just plain impractical).
Is it really a problem or just an old pro grumbling? I don't think DZs or quadrant borders are hidden information.

Just so you know, I'm probably going to get the mat anyway, unless ZenTerrain switches theirs to mousepad type too.

>>55101668
They were taken out of the game, essentially.

>>55125093
Nah we just have a lot of Slavs. And maybe Fins?

I'm Britbongese but there are like five Finnish expats who play near me.

>>55125656
>I don't think DZs or quadrant borders are hidden information.
You can't measure them during the game if that's what you're asking about. So yeah, that mat does change the situation a bit.
But if you're not playing area control, the time limit is enough to make the issue moot.

I want to print such a map with the pattern slightly tilted and rescaled to a non-obvious size, like 93.1% or something, to fuck with the terrain-measurers

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>>55125407
They're wageslaves/actual slaves, depending who you ask.

Ironically enough for slavanon, the Eastern European attitude toward dogs is precisely why the Kazaks are so good at fielding tons of antipodes.

>Want to play Infinity
>Nobody around me wants to play Infinity

>>55124801

Obviously not. Dogs love me.

>>55125439

You can tell he's Eastern European, too, because he comes whining here when he can't handle his meta. He's so beta they've bullied the Ariadna player into only playing LI, and he's so cowardly he won't field dogs in his army. And he won't actually fight back, as communism has trained the self-actualization out of Eastern Europeans. All the worthwhile ones who know how to work hard and create opportunities became criminals; all the rest exist to leech off government resources and whine to their betters to save them like this guy.

Gotta admit, I find LI to be extremely refreshing.

I know it removes the full options available in the game, but horde meta is the most cancerous shit around. IMO if you're playing more than fifteen orders at 300pts you've pretty much missed the point of the game and are just wringing the fun out of it. Most people don't come to Infinity for large scale battles, they come for small teams of operators operating operationally.

>>55127289

Anything 20 or less I think is fair. Keeps things on the same order of magnitude. Once you get some games under your belt you get a feel for how powerful pieces (TAGS etc) can counter the numbers game.

>>55125262
No need. The amount of ignorant condescension on this board is a clear indicator of an American presence.

>>55126846
t. thinks wagging tail is a sign of love

>>55127547
Yeah. Largest I've run was around 17. We usually have a max two groups limitation in tournaments. One time we didn't, and of course some chucklefuck brought some 30 models, mostly proxied Scott-spam. Didn't even won.

>>55127735
Meant for >>55127423

>>55125093
Swiss.
Seems alot of Eastern europe players.
Knew a bunch of players back in Thailand

>>55127289

>Horde meta

Did you run no Chain rifles? No Rockets? No ML?

>>55127873
I run plenty of stuff capable of mulching low tier hordes.

They're just obnoxious, repetitive and uninteresting to play against.

>>55128113
>Oh jolly. It's yet another Galwegian
>Yaaaawn

>>55125093
Indonesian.
Well, play mostly on Singapore since there's almost no wargamers here. Even if there's one group, it was Warhammer.

>tfw being Indonesian is suffering

>>55128558
>Indonesia
>Poland
>flags almost identical, just reversed

I sense a pattern...

>>55124182
>no Helot units for Varuna
They better make some, them Water Abbos need to start pulling their weight in this war.

>>55127289
Anything past 16 in most factions is just bad.

12-16 is the sweet spot IMO, and in many top players opinions as well.

Denizens of Infinity Gen.

Give to me your most horrible 120pt list. We're starting a journeyman league. No advanced rules allowed first week (hacking, coordinated orders, command tokens).

What is the worst abuse you can come up with at 120 pts?

>>55131158
Bring the Shaolin Monks and laugh.

>>55131158
>>55131207
Handful of monks and a cat robot

>>55131237
Cat Robot with no orders is sad.

A Daofei with Spitfire is decent even with low orders though.

Alternatively shit up the midfield with Guilang minelayers and then drop in a Tiger Soldier with Boarding Shotgun.

Low point cost games rambo models are less effective because they cant get as far. You're better off with as many models that can hit above their weight as possible or infiltrators.

>>55131158
I guess that means just 1 SWC too so no heavies with big guns or mine spam? These anons are right to go Yu Jing. ISS sectorial. Cluster of Kuang Shi to get you to 10 orders, then rifle units that apply modifiers to BS rolls like Sforza, Karen KHD , Dakini, Garuda.

>>55132494
2 SWC. It's 1 per 50.

>>55128113

Then break the meta. Keep beating it until the people running it do something else.

Or talk to your group.

>>55132494
It's 1 SWC per every 50 points, so they would get 2 SWC

>>55129369
They already do for Tohaa.

>>55131158
2xDual Combi Geckos, Jaguar with LSG+smoke grenades.
I can confirm it will be a terrible experience all around.

>>55132745
not that anon, but I'm in a similar style league, except I don't hate my potential new community, playing nomads what's a good fun 100 points

>>55132745
Meanwhile the other guy brings order heavy list with some heavy infantry and tears you a new one.

>>55132682
Chaksa are not Helots.

>>55133333
See >>55124182

>>55133371
I was meaning actual game units.

>>55131158

Which faction?

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>>55131158
No Lt.? No problem.

>>55133670
Also, if you don't care about range and just want to swarm a nigger, you could go for 30 Gakis and add two thirds again to the size of your force.

>>55133670

You actually need to choose an Lt to have your list be legal.

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So, >>55133670 gave me an idea. And here it is.

Army won't let me go beyond four groups, otherwise there's be a whole lot more Gakis. 69 Gakis, in fact, for a grand total of 70 models on the board.

>>55133731
But this isn't an ITS game, so it doesn't matter.

>>55133764

Eh, Lt is a pretty core thing to the game. More so than Command Tokens imo.

>>55133764
Why have rules at all?

>>55133764
Sure, let's keep to the basic rulebook then.
>Army Lists must have a troop with the Special Skill Lieutenant.
Oops.

>>55133422
That was an odd jump of logic.

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>>55133795
>>55133807
Fine.

>>55133832
>I hope they make Helot units for Varuna
>the Tohaa have some according to this fluff bit here
>I meant actual game units
What odd logic jump?

>>55133836
>AROs don't exist: the List
>Ameriboard: the List

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>>55133826
We can have our own rules. With USARF Blackjacks and Nomad hookers.

>>55133842
>I hope they make Helot units for Varuna
>Tohaas have Helots
>CHAKSAS AREN'T HELOTS
>look at the fluff here
>I MEANT IN GAME

Whiplash.

>>55133846
The objective is not to win. It's >>55131158
>Give to me your most horrible 120pt list.

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>>55133747
>69 Gakis
That's not a good sign

>>55133866
>man is talking about potential game unit
>respond in way that makes it seem like potential game unit already exists
>wonder why he thinks you're thinking of something else
I blame you this situation.

>>55133940
Hey, we all know who's really to blame for all this misunderstanding. It's those filthy fucking Tohaa scum, as usual.

>>55133940
I still don't get how he connected the Chaksas to Helots. When the whole idea of Tohaa is enslaving other species to do its work.

>>55133983
OF COURSE!

>>55130523
I don't know people here play 18-20 orders here. I have 19 orders and I play aleph.

>>55134007
The fuck.

What are you even running?

>>55134007
Depends on the meta. You, for example might clutter the board with too much terrain. Makes horde armies much more annoying to deal with.

>>55134082
Yeah, I don't manage to do sensible ALEPH lists past 17 orders.

>>55133859
>our own rules
>with USARF
What is even the point then.

>>55134176
Burgers just want to embody the chaos that defines them.

>>55132523
Oh, there's no real horde meta anymore where I live. That went the way of the dinosaur a while back, when a few people got tired of it and built their lists specifically to make playing hordes as pointless as possible.

It's still cancer, even if it happens to be cured in this area.

>>55134512
>and built their lists specifically to make playing hordes as pointless as possible
post the lists

>>55134633
Probably a lot of TR bots.

>>55134633
I haven't had to run a list like that in almost three years.

If you're having problems, though, the answers for hordes are pretty easy to identify. Mines, rockets, cheap flamethrowers, Total Reaction nets. Smoke + MSV2 is actually pretty good at cutting them off, since most horde forces aren't going to have lots of hi-tech equipment floating around to see through it. The key is funneling them and negating the numbers advantage entirely.

>>55134633
He wont because he's lying.

>>55135337
Why would he be lying?

High order, multi-combat group lists have obvious counters. The guy above you summarized them pretty well. Metas come and go.

I guess you could disagree with the assertion that 16+ armies are 'cancer' (imo the cutoff being fifteen dudes is a bit stringent, you can make relatively interesting lists with sixteen or seventeen orders), but that's really a matter of opinion, that doesn't have anything to do with lying.

>>55135337
The eternal Pole strikes again!

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>Could give out one of the Turkish units for the Turkish Victory day like the Janissary or Bashi Bazouk
>Instead give out the odd colored skin, slow, semi-barbaric, hard to get rid of alien subservient to an overly ambitious master.
>Holding explosives
>Make weird implications
>What did they mean by this?

>>55136373
They gave up trying to make those models relevant a while ago. Now I'm pretty sure they pick them out of a hat.

>>55136435
>>55136373

They always do this. Ukrainian unit was Riot Grrls for obvious reasons and Canada got a Hassassin. Pretty hilarious if you ask me.

Is it stupid to skip on Red Veil to buy a YJ starter instead and miss out on the bow Ninja? For gameplay purposes, is it a viable choice or is it mostly rule of cool?

>>55136373
Perhaps you're thinking too deeply about it?

>>55136887
I guess? The old ninjas are quite different in style, but get the job done.

>>55136373
>>55136459
This is pretty great.

Turkey deserves all the shit it gets.

>>55136887
In gameplay purposes the Tactical Bow Ninja's the most popularly taken option because of the Killer Hacking Device which gives specialist status and Redrum, and the expensive close combat and infiltration skills a Ninja takes gets balanced out by a primary shooting weapon cheaper than a Chain Rifle. This ends up being a very well rounded skirmisher profile for 26-29 points and actually plays to the strengths of the Close Combat you likely want to use. The old Ninja Hacker gets the job done because she has no visible gun but the RV Ninja still looks good in comparison (although I personally prefer the old hacker model).

It's not stupid to skip RV though, for if you just plan one faction and don't have friends to split with it's illogical to pay more for things you don't want. Ninjas come in blisters you can buy, although hunt ebay or other sites to get the single hacker blister without the sniper as ninjas were repacked recently and the Sniper the hacker comes with has very debatable usage (most agree it's too pricey in game for poor performance although there are a few defenders).

>>55136908
>>55137193
On the topic of the old ninjas and the repackaging, are they in scale with the rest of the new kits or do they look a bit wonky?

>>55118646
Elites from Halo?

>>55137193
>a primary shooting weapon cheaper than a Chain Rifle
Ackchually they're the same price, as both are free.

>>55126281
That's just part of the struggle, my friend. If you don't play 40k or MtG, there are many shops that you and your games are simply dead to.

>>55139310
Is this really a problem in most LGSs?

Literally never been to a store where there was nobody playing other games.

>>55104664
Hello, Spanish guy!

>>55125887
GREATEST INFINITY 4CHAN THREAD EVAH

>>55139725
>>55139310
>playing in shops

Club masterrace!

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