>play paladin >use detect evil >DM asks for my definition

>>55100496
Is there such a spell as 'Detect Lawbreaker'?

>>55100523
Reflavor the move to detect chaotic?

>>55100496
>play paladin
>in DnD

You fucked up OP.

>>55100496

That's rough

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>>55100496
>Being willing to intentionally harm innocents for personal gain

>>55100523
Is 'Detect Criminal Scum' good enough for you?

>>55100523
I was going to make a joke of finding nothing but realized it was too /v/
>>55100496
Did he/she/it caused harm, directly or indirectly on another person/sentient whether be physical, psychological or other, for personal gain or gain of others?

>>55100611
Why did you post the hero of Diamond is Unbreakable, anon?

>>55100622
Fuck *Sentient being*

>>55100496
Possessing of one of the three Evil alignments as defined in the fucking Players Handbook. Tell your DM to stop being a cheeky fuck.

>>55100633
The correct answer. The DM might have a point if you're playing a morally grey setting, but Evil is literally a defined cosmological force and Detect Evil is quite specific about what gives a positive reading.

>>55100496
Wait.
So you could technically detect anything you wanted to by simply telling your GM that you consider them evil?
>Gold, bitches, and ale are evil!
>10,000 GP diamonds are evil!
>Hidden Doors, Traps, and Treasures are all evil!

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>>55100724
>Plot hooks are evil!

>>55100731
heh
I nearly typed that.
But I figured most players don't have trouble finding them.

>>55100629
Um...ok. If you insist.

>>55100802
>And that's how i met your dragon mother.

>>55100724
>traps are evil
I'm gonna fight you

>>55101106
Look fella, do you want to find all kinds of traps or not?

>>55101106
Trap being evil would give you a good excuse to take them somewhere private and attempt to "purify" them.

>>55100496
>constantly adapt your definition of evil to the situation
You now have a functioning "detect anything" mechanic.

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>>55100496
>Not having an "advance plot" spell when your party is fucking off and doing stupid bullshit

>>55100618
This.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd4NsMwKLx8

>>55100496
>my definition of evil
causing intentionally unnecessary suffering
that said, if you have the ability, your teachers will have taught you.

>>55100496
"A being who's alignment is Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil, or Chaotic Evil."

Then I tell my DM to stop being such a pedantic asshat

>>55100652
The DM wouldn't have a point even then. There is no moral grey in D&D, morality exists in the world, and just like dragons, so do demons and angels.
If the DM is playing a morally grey setting they shouldn't be playing D&D.

*Detect Evil* Sees OP "Shit it is stuck on detect fuckface!"

>>55100611
>Being willing to intentionally harm innocents

>>55100611
>BBEG doesnt ping because he wants to destroy the world out of pure disgust, not for any personal gain

>>55100622
>half the town flares up red
>little Timmy ate his sister's bread roll yesterday night, making her go to bed slightly hungry
Time to smite I guess

>>55102375
>There is no moral grey in D&D,
Lawful Neutral, True Neutral, and Chaotic Neutral.

Evil is not subjective in DnD. By not following the alignments as defined by the players handbook, the DM is unfairly nerfing the paladin class. This is the DM's prerogative, but he is a dick for not informing you that paladin was not a viable class choice at character creation.

>>55100496
>DM decides to take player's ideas of morality into account instead of just forcing his own
>Player thinks this is a bad thing

>>55100496

"As things stand, if this guy were to drop dead immediately, would he be showing up in the Blood War?"

>>55102553
Little Timmy should have remembered that actions have consequences and for that he'll get a piece of coal for his birthday and a lesson in bad behaviour

>>55102863
Forgot to add, if your Detect Evil is Black and White then you have a shit GM, mine sees in various intensities.

any time people try to get funny with alignments, it makes me want to roleplay my character as an Objectivist and completely fuck everything up

>>55102453
he's gaining a disgust free existence

>>55102575
Neutrality, Chaos, and Law are all as extant as good and evil.
There is no moral grey in the sense of "subjective morality." Morality in D&D is objective.

>>55102553
Little Timmy wouldn't flare up as evil for one instance of stealing food. If he was habitually denying his starving sister food, then you might have a good example and a leg to stand on.
And even then, a paladin is meant to temper his justice with reasonable compassion. Killing a child, unless it was some higher evil's illusory trick, would be out of the question for a Good paladin.

>>55102453
He wants to alleviate his disgust, which would be a personal gain.
Nice try.

>>55103338
of personal gain is the key indicator, then literally everyone would light up

>>55100496
> a player wants to play cleric or paladin
> "So, what is the one great sin against your deity, and what are the three lesser sins?"
> A character commits the great sin - he falls, a character commits a lesser sin - he loses deity's grace until he prays well enough or does something his deity approves of.
> A character casts Detect Evil - he detects everyone who has committed the great sin and/or all three lesser sins.

>>55100724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECcGZLvcz0

>>55100523
I can think of a few good circumstances where it should be. It could be an interesting way to define a city or region with a strong central authority.

In my opinion, it in general it makes more sense than D&D's assorted takes on alignment across editions, outside of 4e and 5e treating it more as a descriptive character trait than a prescriptive part of some ineffable metaphysical truth.

>>55103651
That's an interesting take, but the answer may not always be immediately apparent, depending on the deity.

The god of justice abhors murderers, thieves and con artists. The god of the forest hates arson, poachers and irresponsible loggers. But what does the god of luck hate? People who cheat at games of chance?

>>55104180
Nah, cheating just makes it funner if the other guy manages to still win.

>>55101537
Not this again Chanticleer, last time you just ended blowing him for 8 hours.

But he swore to never wear a dress again...

Well sure it worked but don't you think it's a little extreme?

>>55104180
God of luck? If I played a follower of one:
Gerat sin: cowardice. You may run from a great danger, but if you're not taking a risk, you're not worthy of being a cleric of luck.
Lesser sins: blight (you don't give up unless you've tried and failed), pride (if you are a winner today, it does not make you a winner forever, or a better person than losers), greed (wealth is easy come easy go).

>>55104462
Followup: and of course, my spell would not be called detect evil for that matter.

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>>55101885
>die you orc filth

>>55103634
As long as they hurt innocents for it. That's the important part.

>>55105049
whats the definition of "Hurt" though? Most actions people take in some way harm someone else, whether intended or not.

>>55100496
>detect evil

Is this really a thing?

>>55105300
Intentionally harm

>>55100496
>>DM asks for my definition of evil
"Anyone whose death would make the world a better or safer place."

>>55105811
You'd have Paladins smiting poor people and then, ironically, falling because they made the world less safe for "evil" people.

>>55105367
but op said
>willing hurt

The whole party would probably be pinged along with any living creature cause they being eating meat and shit.

>>55100618
>Sense Stolen Goods

>>55105985
It'd have them smiting almost anyone, honestly.

>DM asks for my definition of evil
????????????????

>Detect Evil and Good
>1st-level divination
>For the duration, you know if there is an aberration, celestial, elemental, fey, fiend, or undead within 30 feet of you, as well as where the creature is located.

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>>55106085
>Everything pings.

>>55106121
>anon attempts to be clever by insinuating that 5e fixed this spell, but just looks like a retard who hasn't played any games other than 5e.

>>55106136
I was having a shit day and that sent my sides into orbit. Thank you anon.

>>55106199
>"fixed"
>anon accidentally reveals he thinks the spell is "broken", indicating that he fell for OP's intentionally incorrect greentext predicament as a valid concern

>>55106252
He implied that, not me.

>>55100496
>play Paladin
>face goblin children
>"wat do"
>pray to god
>god says "Clease and Purge"
>cleanse and purge
>no more problem, if God says it's okay, it's okay.

>>55106252
>"What is evil" is an incorrect predicament. That question has an objective answer.
You what, mate?

>>55106344
Someones been reading goblin slayer

>>55106347
good and evil are relative terms. To the goblins, human's are evil for taking their ancestral lands.

Being a dick, however, is universal.

>>55106368
I don' t know what that is. I just know that Paladins swear to a God, therefore, that God's morality is their morality.

>>55106374
>good and evil are relative terms. To the goblins, human's are evil for taking their ancestral lands.
>Therefore, the question of "what is evil" has an objective answer and thus the question of "what, exactly, pings as evil" is a stupid question and OP is dumb.

Again, what the fuck are you saying.

>>55106394
Your incredibly specific choice of hypothetical scenario was gone over in a manga called "Goblin slayer".

Basically, it goes over the fact that if left alone, the little bastards will grow up to be just as bad as their ancestors, attacking and harassing people all the same.

>>55106410
Not everyone agrees on what is good or evil, and trying to define complicated things in simple terms is a goddamn nightmare if the DM feels like being a dick.

>>55106374
>good and evil are relative terms.
lol noobs

>>55100754
I could have someone hold up a fucking neon sign in the shape of the Skyrim quest marker and they would still miss it.

>>55106431
Oh. Still feel like I arrived at that conclusion from a different angle.

Unless Goblin Slayer has a literal God that talks to him.

>>55106441
>Not everyone agrees on what is good or evil
You're the one saying that the spell detect evil has no problems and doesn't need to be fixed, yet you literally just pointed out the largest one.

>>55106476
Nope. Just intense trauma and goblin autism.

>>55106504
Sounds like whiny emo crap.

>>55106497
I have no idea what is going on any more. I don't think anyone said that Detect Evil is broken.

Personally, I don't think Detect Evil was broken because it works within the game play system set up. Consistent rules and whatnot.

>>55106524
Not really, actually.

The trauma thing doesn't come up till later on, and the autism thing is sorta the point of the series as a whole.

>>55100496
I was granted the power to detect evil by my God, who defines evil. I trust in my holy sight with the same faith that I hold for Him.

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>>55106136
>not noting the most important difference between private and personal property.

>>55105811
>>55105985
>>55106096
Does this mean people are evil?

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>>55100496
>lean over the table
>pull his collar and hair into his pile of dice and paper
>stand up and pull your arms out
>"Bass cannon"
>leave the room and drop out of the group call

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>play healer
>cast Esuna
>DM asks if it's lupus
>mfw

>>55105985
Why would they fall, anon? If the DM is allowing me to define evil as anything I see fit, and killing any "evil" creature is by definition a "good" act, then slaughtering the poor because they ping as evil is not only permitted but encouraged by paladin's code.

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>>55107625
yes

>>55106039
>innocents

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>>55100496
>There's a Dragon Magazine article for Paladins with Detect heresy, Detect Guilt, and other such Detect spells
Detect Heresy the best tho.

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>>55107375
>>>/leftypol/
Marxists are my definition of evil.

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>>55108500
We have guns for if we are betrayed, which hasn't happened in Fascism by the way. Unlike you where apparently all communist leaders backstab you when they get power. I like freedom, I just don't trust people with it like an idiot.

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>>55102441
What if the innocents are evil?

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>>55108562
Then why do you trust absolute leaders to rule you absolutely?

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>>55100496
>Evil mirror changes my alignment to evil
>Act the same because evil is a social construct and cannot be applied to individuals, only actions which can only be truly judged after the fact from an omnipotent perspective, not from the point of view of a character or a player.
>DM gets upset

>>55103651
Paladins don't require a god to follow.

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>>55108678
We trust RULES, not RULERS. We have guns for as soon as they go against what they promise.

>>55108562
>citizens free to own an effective amount of weaponry
>under fascism
lol

>>55101885
That redguard dindu nuffin

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>>55108746
>being anti-Communist means you're pro-fascist

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>>55108887
He was talking to me specifically, retard.
Why even post if you're just going to make yourself look like a retard?

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>>55108959
>But the first thing every fascist group did was remove the guns from the people they deemed undesirable.
Yeah, people who didn't belong in the country in the first place. The government is supposed to protect their own people, not foreigners.

>>55100523
I believe that a hell knight or something of the sort had "detect chaos" (might have the name wrong) at some point.

>>55100611
>>55102453
>>55103338
>>55103634
>>55105049
>>55105300
>>55105367
>>55106039

This just goes to show how D&D alignments and belief in objective standards of morality in general break down when you examine them too closely.

>>55108959
>>55108974
So explain why in America, gun control came in to being and existed expressly to keep native blacks, hispanics, and Chinese from owning guns?

Thank dog 5e finally threw the idea of detecting alignments. One of the worst elements D&D ever had, the whole: "Detective plot? Let me just detect who's OBJECTIVELY EVIL, by MAGIC!" meme can't die quick enough.

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>OP jokes about definition of evil
>thread deranges into /pol/ shitfest

I don't know why I'm surprised. I'm out.

>>55109068
To be fair, i think people have realized that by now.

There's certainly enough threads about it.

>>55103338
Wow you've abstracted the concept of personal gain to the point where basically anything gets a pass.

>>55102441
>What is the trolley problem

>>55108974
If you are willing to accept that the government will not uphold it's own laws for some portions of it's people, then you are willing to accept domination. This is completely unacceptable and flies against the greatest strengths that have built western civilization. You want to preserve the idea of a "white only" west, which never existed, and never will exist. The fact is that many people came together to build great nations of wealth and power. You have benefited from these places, and you seek to destroy the foundation of them, with the idea of preserving them.

You are the destruction of the west.

>>55100496
>Tell GM my definition doesn't matter because D&D has objective evil and objective good and that even if it doesn't I'm not my paladin and he should know the true answer.

>>55100496
>FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL!

>>55109538
Americans came from many places, and in every single wave of immigration came feelings of anti-immigrant sentiment to that group. When that group settled in, they were accepted as part of normal Americana. You wouldn't have American beers if it weren't for German immigrants, for example.
And just how does a global Jewish conspiracy operate without internal whistleblowers in 2017? These people cannot even agree on their own religion, or whether Israel should exist.
Before you go on with your flawed ideology, ask yourself that. How can a grand globe spanning conspiracy thrive in the time when information is freely available?
Ask yourself why is it that only the white supremacist groups, which are certainly outside of the conspiracy, ever "blow the whistle" on it?

NICE TRADITIONAL GAMES YOU HAVE HERE GUYS.

>>55103320
What if it was an evil child? Or a baby goblin?

>>55109632
>You wouldn't have American beers if it weren't for German immigrants, for example.
One more reason to hate the Germans, then?

>>55102886
Evil's evil, giving people leeway just means they'll push the boundaries, and then you're dealing with five serial killers a month.

>>55103290
>playing neo-dnd
Good and evil were a mistake

>>55110348
Hitler was a shitty leader , just rip this bandage off as soon as you can

>>55110693
Nice argument. Also
>bumping the thread

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>>55100496
>>DM asks for my definition of evil
>painstakingly describe his exact political beliefs
>his face when

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>>55100724
There is good civilization, and evil civilization.

>>55113178
Dumplings are good civilization. The lunar festival is bad civilization.

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>morality in the DnD universe is explicitly objective
>the books only ever give vague definitions of what is good and what is evil
Why the fuck is this allowed?

fucking christ will you troglodytes go back to /pol/, this isn't the place to talk about how much you hate minorities

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>>55107625
Now you're getting it.

>>55109991
Monarchies were often known for trying to disarm the populace in one way or another, you fuckwit.

There's a reason why the only monarchies left in the world are all figureheads (noone gives a fuck about whether the King of Timbuktu actually has power), with a constitution and elected government doing all the real work.

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>>55109068
Postmodernists begone from this place.

nu/tg/ at it's finest, /pol/shit general.

>>55107625
Man was the only species banished from the Garden, anon.

Lel, people who unironically defend facism are hilarious. It's even better when they get confused about why people disagree with them.

>>55114055
Get into a hobby that has nothing to do with politics then.
OH WAIT, THAT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST

>>55100496
Anyone who isn't Lawful.
>>55114100
Boku no Not an Argument

>>55114474
Not making an argument, I'm stating that I find something funny.

I'm just here to watch the shitshow man.

Always go with deontological systems. Consequentialism will get too many false positives, and virtue-ethics wont detect shit.

>>55107375
>forgetting that Proudhon also said that property is liberty

>>55108562
>which hasn't happened in fascism
>Ernst Rohm.jpg

Nobody, not even devoted adherents, is safe under any form of authoritarianism.

>>55114841
>make an attempt

Nah. You're scum.

>>55100496
Wouldn't this become an issue if you're the kind of DM who loathes the alignment system and has removed it?

Detect Ill Intentions?

>>55115076
Lets be honest here anon, fascism isn't great.

In fact, there is no system man can think of that won't eventually turn belly up because mankind in and of itself will fuck it up horribly.

Your supposed "One true system" is just as fucked up as any other.

>>55100496
Detect /pol/

>>55115076
>whole country condemns your movement after someone drives into a crowd of protestors
>people lose jobs for going to the protest
>people get disowned by families
>even your own political party comdemns your actions
>statue goes down anyway

>"Ha! You're afraid that your side is dying!"

>>55114055
You literally only need one board.

>>55115404
>just out of high school

That explains far more than it should.

>>55115404
>just out of high school
holy shit no wonder.

Stip giving us 20 year olds a bad name, people are starting to associate us with your bizarre brand of contrarianism.

>>55115480
>fighting with strawmen
The imagination of the right is truly a traditional game.

>>55115484
No, its embarrassing that you think you know anything with a high school education.

>>55115404
>studies show that most members of generation Z are conservarive fiscally and more pragamatic with their money, due to growing up watching their parents deal with the economic turmoil of the 2000's

Woohoo, this generation is conservative!

>Ignores that this generation is most racially diverse ever
>ignores that 75% of generation that supports gay marriage and adoption
>ignores that 33% support tranny rights
>ignores that 76% are concerned about climate change
>ignores that they have grown up hearing about shootings and tragedies

You might get your conservative budgets, but socially these kids are far, far from facists.

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>>55115558
Have you not realized by now that people are playing along with your retardation on purpose?

>inb4 only pretending to be retarded

>>55115569
I would also add it's a generation that predominately voted Sanders and Corbyn.
They are fiscally "conservative" because they have nothing to spend and no bank will give a loan to somebody working shit job she can always lose.

But, hey, if you were a single retard believing in fascism, wouldn't it be nice to imagine you're not alone with just a couple of inbreds on /pol/ masturbating to Pinochet?

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>>55115651
Do you know where you even are?

Nothing you say here means anything. At all.

>>55115651
>only 55% of this generation will be white
But they'll tootally support the whati nationalist stance that America is for white Europeans!

>Don't go to rallies
So? Neither do most americans. If it comes up on a ballot, they'll still vote that way.

>Trans are the same
Even if that's true, they'll still vote for those rights.

>Still heard about the sand niggers
And yet this generation is less concerned about refugees and immigrants than previous ones.

Sounds like they've been succesdully brainwashed.

>>55115739
>lutker sees a guy screeching about jewish professors and burying his head in the sand
"You know this gentleman seems like he has some good ideas. I think, perchance, I'll investigate this /pol place I've heard so much about."

>>55115739
He honestly believes that phrases like "who cares", "Have never lived in a western society", and "We're all conservative" will convince people that his philosophy is worth pursuing.

wew

>>55115803
100% conversion rate to sheer shitposting.

There is a large faction of people there that are only there for the fact that its shitpost general.

>>55115803
I have a tab open on /pol right now dumbass. I lurk there and shitpost almost constantly, because I think it's hilarious.

>>55115803
Maybe because it's attended by inbred losers?
I'll tell you how most of the people found out about /pol/

>a bunch of worthless losers come up with an idea that it's not their fault they like to suck dicks, it's the feminist-Jewish conspiracy
>gamergate happens
>they flock to it like leeches to a piece of meat
>it's too retarded even for /b/
>all the autismos go to their containment board to cry how they get no pussy because Jews

>>55115855
Sometimes I wonder if /pol/ is self aware at all.

Like, they DO know they're the joke board, right?

>>55115907
see >>55115594
The point still stands.

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>>55115803
Not since it became full of Libertarians and T_D circle jerks. Infinity /pol/ actually discusses shit and actually has mods, believe it or not.

>>55109325
>What is refusing to act

>>55115893
>>55115855
Guys, stop baiting the poor anon. He doesn't know any better.

>>55115907
>he believes the illegal voter meme

Guys, I think he might actually be autistic. No bullying him, that's against forum rules

>>55115945
>redpilled
>on a board literally called politically incorrect

Whew boy.

>>55115945
>literally posts an argument that women shouldn't get to vote

Aw anon, was this all just a false flag?That takes all the fun out of it.

I suppose I should've guessed when he posted the "ebin jew infographic" and acted like it was something to take seriously.

>>55116017
if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, by golly it might just be a duck.

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>>55116030
Or it could be m00t trying to cozy up to the bitch he was eventually cucked by.

>>55116017
Anon, you do realise that most people don't view jews as inherently bad, right? You can't just say "But these people are jewish!" and expect people to change positions and join you.

It's like when they revealed the car kid's mom last name was Bloom, and all of /pol/ was like "Oh it was a jew! No wonder! We were almost worried there for a second."

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>>55116088
No shit. That's why you have to tell people why Jews are bad too.

>>55116099
And you people wonder why everyone think that you're natzis...

>>55116123

>Because they're smart according to the participation trophy grading

Seriously, what is with all the bitching about participation trophys? I remember doing extracurricular sport in high school, which was decades ago at this point and getting them. It's not remotely a new thing and kinda missing the point of them, they were for rewarding the hard work put into something and remembering the time you spent together. Getting kids out, every second day after school to put in a few hours batting practice is a serious investment of time.

Heck, companies have been doing them for decades. Giving long-time employees a symbol of all the work they put in over the years in the form of a watch or such even if they were not the #1 employee for all that time.

>>55100611
I would ping, unless I personally know you or your family, you can eat shit.

I wont kill you but I will take advantage of you if given the chance.

>>55116042
It's odd to me that this is supposed to say something about the inferiority of black people, when if you add a third bar for "ashkenazi jew" there's a similar gap in which whites are precisely as inferior. Awfully convenient that whites are exactly the right amount of smart.

It's this sort of divisive horseshit that keeps democrats in power. So what if black people aren't as smart? Who gives a shit if its genetic or just shitty schooling since school quality is based on real estate values? None of that fucking matters. You will know the mettle of a man by how well he treats his lesser man. Fuckweasles who treat dumb people with condescension and disrespect are everything that's wrong with the neoliberal elite. Don't fall for their trap nazi-dude. The black working class could be your ally if you didn't keep waving this white supremacy flag around. They're fully aware they're getting fucked by the democrats. They're just more worried rednecks will fuck them worse.

If you're really about intelligence as the metric of racial superiority, just fucking sterilize yourself and donate all your money to Israel.

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>>55116179
The glorious white power :3
Don't you have some LARP to attend to show your racial superiority in a cycling helmet?

>>55116179
>We are

Ah. Well, at least you've admitted that you'll never have any actual political standing, and have decided to just cosplay instead.

Because the Natzi movement is a joke. A meme. You're the boogeymen our children learn about in history class, the first thing that comes to mind when we hear the word monster.

You're our enemies in movies, and our victims in videogames. Natzis are used in media because you don't need to justify killing them, everyone knows that they deserve it.

The rest of the world barely even views you as human.

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>>55115932
i think were the ones being baited, anon

>>55116261
And this is why no one takes you seriously.
Claiming that race mixing is bad is just fucking hilarious at this point, you're about 50 years past relevancy, and 100 years past being able to do anything about it.

>>55116194
>>55116261
>Jews would be model citizens if they used their intelligence for creating instead of destroying
So where's your graph of "black murder rate", "white murder rate", and "ashkenazi jew murder rate"?

Or are the jew statistics being manipulated by reptilians from the hollow earth?

>>55116261
>just as we want Europeans and White Americans to stay with their countries and peoples

So they should get the hell out of america? As that's kinda not their country. That and most African Americans, due to the way slavery worked, don't have any idea which country their ancestors are from so even trying to send them back would be pointless.

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>>55116299
fug

>>55115315
That would be useful in rl.

>>55116299
he's been baiting the whole time, but we're humoring because we're a bunch of no lifes with nothing better to do.

>>55116312
>That and most African Americans, due to the way slavery worked, don't have any idea which country their ancestors are from so even trying to send them back would be pointless.
Yep, you can thank the South and Jewish ship owners for that. If Southeners hadn't killed Lincoln, we wouldn't even be in the mess in the first place, because he could have deported them.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8319858/Abraham-Lincoln-wanted-to-deport-slaves-to-new-colonies.html

>>55116366
This >>55115803 post is like the one post that isn't me ironically, but it's still good.

>>55116348

So basically 'Everyone needs to go back to their own countries, except it doesn't count with White Americans'. That is a hell of a double standard.

>They were killing each other before we got here and even killed an entire other race before we discovered them.

Europeans was pretty fucking good at killing each other too.

>>55116348
>media and artists destroy culture
Okay, I know this is a weird concept, because you don't believe in evolution.
But Evolving is not the same as destroying. Evolving culture isn't necessarily better, and it's not necessarily worse, it just is.

Your options are to adapt, or become increasingly less relevant in a culture that values your morals less and less with each passing year.

>>55116179
>censoring every single right wing and nationalist thing
Son, no they're not. They're blowing it up in the front page all day every day. That's exactly my point. Nothing rallies up the liberal base like a big scary nazi.

Media influence/bias/slant is very real, and what you call "jew" is really just "rich elites in general". The same shit happens in literally every nation in history by the ruling class, only there aren't jews in every nation in history (like China or Saudi Arabia for instance). Jews just happen to end up being powerful in a free society because they coordinate very well with an international support network, and trading favors is how you actually get wealthy- never mind the lies you were told as a child about hard work or brilliance. Either of those make you somebody's employee- not the guy who employs. And the guy who employs is the one with all the real money and therefore real power.

What you don't understand yet is how natural selection applies to a news cycle. A news cycle that is shared survives. A news cycle with which people agree is not shared, because it is uninteresting. A news cycle which people disagree with causes them to post replies (think trolling with bait)- just like I am now. You weren't alive before the internet but I was- and news was different back then. The money wasn't tied to how many clicks you get. And more importantly, controversy and rage sustain a news story for months.

The unambiguous murder of Eric Garner by the NYPD and subsequent acquittal made news 2 months before Ferguson and Michael Brown. Why was the latter a huge year long story that caused riots and not the former? Because in Ferguson the cop was *right*, the witnesses lied, and that stirred controversy. The riots, the protests, the BLM movement- all great to fill a 24hr news cycle. But it wouldn't have been possible if some people didn't take the bait and say "wait a minute, I think the cop was right".

>>55116348
>entire race
They killed aliens? Different hominids?
Race is a bullshit term.

Also your argumentation is nonsense. Your grorius whites did the same here in europe. So according to you they should give it up, too.

>>55116392
Muslims enslaved Africans and sold them to America.

>>55116459
>Yeah, but Italy doesn't ask for all the territory held under the Roman Empire

That was a pretty big part of Italian propaganda during WWII actually. Seeing themselves as the new roman empire reclaiming it's rightful place.

So your logic is 'If a place is conquered, than it no longer needs to be given back to the original inhabitants?'

>>55115048
Just use a "Detect Heresy" sort of effect in its place. If evil is subjective in the setting, then the paladin detects evil as that which is regarded as evil according to his religion/philosophy.
That said, if you're doing away with objective alignment in D&D or PF, you should probably tell the guy who's building a paladin what you're doing.

>>55116468

Yeah but from which country in Africa? That would be like deporting a guy back to 'Europe, we don't really care where on that continent'

>>55116492
>So your logic is 'If a place is conquered, than it no longer needs to be given back to the original inhabitants?'
Yes, they have to earn it back. Other wise, there is an endless list of shit taken by people and taken from people. If you want it, prove you want it.

>>55116308
Jews don't need to murder. They're not that desperate. It's really easy not to sin when the temptation isn't there. Sorta like how there's this invisible line in American history above which everyone found it real easy to condemn slavery and below which 60% of the GDP crucially depended on it and the economy in those regions is shit to this very day.

Likewise, when you can't trust the police and the only job that will hire you is drug dealer, the only justice you'll find is the .357 in your pocket.

Not one of you fa/tg/uys have ever been that desperate in your lives. You have the time and luxury to spend countless hours on imaginary worlds as a hobby. I love that hobby too. But the reality when you grow up in disenfranchised poverty looks a lot different. My experience was rural rather than urban, but all the same.

>>55116261
The problem I have with racists is that they cherry pick their evidence the same way Christians cherry pick the bible verses they like and ignore the ones about people eating shellfish being put to death. Because if you actually look at the genetics of race, it is a real thing, but it doesn't track what we historically identify as race. For instance Asians are like 99% white. Much like whites, they're descendents of neanderthals. The superficial differences are apparent, but they don't reflect the fact that most of us are more genetically similar to an Chinaman than we are a white guy who is part 1/8th cherokee (i.e. over 50% of the south). Meanwhile Ethiopians and Nigerians have almost nothing in common, even though they both look black. If you fuckers actually got scientific, looked at the genotype and phenotype overlap, categorized people appropriately, and advocated that, then you'd have a coherent position. But right now you're just barking about some arbitrary bullshit that doesn't match the actual reality of race.

>>55116459
Sorry, you don't get to decide which culture is best, that's done by the population as a whole.
And people who like modern art, culture, and globalization in general outweigh you by a large margin. Your only way to win that battle is by
A: Forming isolated communities like the Amish (Many California republicans are starting to do this)
B: Manage to turn the tide with public discourse (Requires mass appeal, so no race superiority talk)
C: Murder and Oppress everyone who disagrees with you (The Stalin gambit)

>>55116521
Damn. So when the minorities and Jews take over America, they own it by right of conquest? That's actually surprisingly open minded of you.

>>55116612
>Chinamen apparently have higher IQs than whites
No, Asian Americans have higher IQ that whites because only highly qualified Chinese get visas to come to America, and everyone who can is getting the fuck out of China. A good chunk of China is still illiterate, and you can get discounts by buying things in multiples of 11 because they can't do basic math. And lacking aggression? Motherfucker I've watched an angry mob beat a man to death in front of the police station for *reporting them for stealing* and then fist fight the police as a mob. China is goddamn Mordor. A land of smog and orcs that eat anything and will sell you their neighbors kidney for a bit of gold.

>>55102453
>thinking your feelings give you the right to dictate the fate of others
Yep, that's a smitin'

Is this whole argument happening because of that jontron/destiny debacle or did something different but equally stupid derail this one

>>55116612
Why would I care if my Grandkids are mixed? The culture they grow up on will be THEIR culture, not mine.

Culture changes over time, I've accepted that. The world my kids and grandkids grow up in won't be the world I grew up in, and that's okay.

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>>55116673
>Why would I care if my Grandkids are mixed?
Because they will be dumber and, on average, make poorer life decisions than if they were not. All this assumes that they will be mulatto since that's what most people think of when they think "mixed".

>>55106085
>>55106136
>>55108328
>>55107375


>>55116672
It started with that reply chain. Just another thread derailed by /pol/ bait.

Nuke this thread from orbit.

/pol/ corrupts everything it touches.

>>55102776
All you mortals need to stop appropriating Baatezu culture.

>>55116690
Then I'll marry a Jew if my kids being statistically more likely to succeed is so important. You should probably do the same.

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>>55101885

>>55109068
>"Man, it's hard to figure out this philosophical question!"
>"Well if it's hard, then it just must be impossible, then. Nothing hard has even been accomplished, after all."

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>>55116711
>Then I'll marry a Jew if my kids being statistically more likely to succeed is so important
Fuck, you got me there. Then again, I'd rather not bring another psychopath into the world.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1503098391461.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1502850149437.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1501798686209.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1501552071319.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1501302203841.webm

>>55100724
>>Gold, bitches, and ale are evil!
>>10,000 GP diamonds are evil!
See, if I was DMing I'd let that work... and then when they actually partake in that stuff, they Fall, 'cause they're willingly consorting with Evil.

>>55116756
People with psychopathy are more likely to succeed and attain leadership positions.
If you want your children have the best possible chance for the future, Jewish psychopath is one of your best options.

>>55116662
Yes it is. In China. Which are basically genetically identical to Koreans. Who don't do that shit. And Japs, who do different fucked up shit but not conman related. All of which could be compared to the genocide and war crimes white people did throughout history too. Once again, economics seems to be more relevant in how morally upstanding a person is. Seems pretty consistent that when you're living in a modern economy, you suddenly no longer have the temptation to do morally dubious shit to survive.

Like, you're just fucking wrong on the science here bro. Orientals are basically the fucking same as Europeans. Much moreso than anyone who looks white but is even a drop negro or redskin, which is *almost all white americans*. Probably including you- whether you realize it or not. "Race" is a scientifically real thing. The "white" race is kinda a thing too, if you include mongoloids. YOU are probably not actually a member of that race though, despite your appearance. Which means your whole dogma is based on a fiction compared to the actual reality. You seeing the problem here?

And another thing that doesn't match up to the science: hybrid vigor. Inbreeding and racial purity gets you some interesting traits and diversity, sure. Bulldogs look pretty sweet, but they're also degenerate fucking cripples from birth. Hybrids consistently win out over a few generations by having the best traits of both varietals while the shit traits that keep getting passed back and forth finally die off.

See, my thing is- I really hate liberal smugness. It's so completely unwarranted. And I'm glad you see that too and want to stand up to it. But instead you're just being a smug dipshit in the opposite direction. If you want to talk about breeding as it applies to humans, fine. But maybe you should talk to a fucking farmer who actually breeds shit- like cattle or new varieties of tomato or something. Somebody who actually knows what the fuck they're doing.

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>>55116775
But is it ethical?

>>55116780
By that reasoning its ethical to impart my white genes to a negro so as to uplift them and give them a better chance.

>>55116780
>Jews carry a brain damage virus that is transmitted by touch to non-jews
Huh. Seems legit.

And what do ethics have to do with my childs success? I'll tear down empires for my kid if I have to.

>>55116825
>Claims that Jews rule the world
>But your jewish kids won't function in society
Which is it? Do jews control everything or not?
And as far as I know, being unethical never got Asian parents lynched.

>>55116190
Why are you such a nigger

>>55116892
>Do you think psychopaths function in society?
Yes. They do. Extremely well.
There have been studies on this, psychopathic traits help you get ahead in life.

Your other point is that I need to behave myself and call Natzis the scum of the earth, which I do already without any help from them.

>>55116909
>Italians are farther removed from anglos than Asians
This is just plain untrue. You're mashing a mixture of data to reach that conclusion.

>>55100724

>Gold, bitches, and ale are evil!

Kanye the giant disagrees.

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>>55100496
>>DM asks for my definition of evil
>Didn't immediately answer "has a cooperative relationship with beings related to negative energy"

>>55100611
>BBEG thinks he is saving the world by killing everyone in it

>>55108692
But they require a code of honor to follow.

>>55114199
>everything is politics, the most important thing in life is politics, politics define everything and everyone
Fucking hang yourself. You have taken the media bait to damn hard.

>>55100496
It's not a relative notion of evil. It's the game's simplified and well documented notion of good&evil, which is based on the average person's notion of goo&evil and is used only as guidelines to help the characters interact with the setting's divine system.
Just tell your GM to take his fedora off.

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>>55100496
>Be moral relativist
>Can use "smite evil" against literally everyone
>Including the god of goodness itself

>>55122220
That gives the term 'I am the law' a whole new meaning.

>>55106476
How did you know Goblin Slayer was the dude and not just the title if you've never heard of it...

>>55114474
What about Lawful Evil

>>55109068
It goes to show that D&D alignment systems are needed to stop shitty DM's from tipping their fedora so hard they drive the table into a two hour discussion on whether or not the Succubus who fucks people to death is evil.
Either way "Detect good or evil" now detects fey, elementals, fiends and celestials rather than detecting moral alignment.

>>55122220
Explain how can you turn the god of goodness evil.

>>55125205
mental gymnastics

>>55125244
Elaborate.

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>>55125205
He forces his definition of good on others. Which is evil, because there's no such thing as objective good.
>B-But that makes no sense!
Welcome to post-modernism.

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>>55106039
Not only are you fucking autistic, you're dyslexic as well.

>>55125883
Makes perfect sense to me.

>>55123948
>comic about slaying goblins is called Goblin Slayer
>somehow the guy who slays goblins in said comic is not going to be the Goblin Slayer

Are you retarded?

>>55100496
What? ANON! Most DMs force THEIR opinion of evil on to you and always tends to be slightly different from DM to DM to Player.

This dm ASKS you what YOU define it as. This is the god-send to avoid retarded alignment arguments. Your spell works the way YOU the player perceive it.

>>55116722
The answer has been in front of your nose the entire time, dearest anon.

That answer is called David Hume.

>>55100496
>Pick up PHB
>Flip through until i get to the right page.
"You see this chart? Anything that, where it says "alignment" on their character sheet, has any of these three things, or an abbreviation thereof, written in. It Also detects entities from places which are inherently evil, and thingies with the evil subtype."
>Start to close book.
>Pause.
"Actually, asking a man to establish a clear definition of evil? Sounds like the kinda thing an evil person would do to corkscrew their way out of the ass whipping they are on the short list for."
>Close book
"You don't go asking the wizard how high the amperage is on their lightning bolts now do you? What amount of Ohms there are in the ogre's body, do you? What the frictional coefficient of their grease spell is, and how it adheres to a surface. If you want to engage in junior college philosophy, don't be surprised when technical school engineering responds."

>>55115451
>>55115418
>>55116179

Guys, I detected an error in the narrative. Natsocfaggot said he just got out of high school, but implies he was around when /new/ was transitioned into /pol/ back in 2011 and refers to "old /pol/" which was allegedly filled with Nazi's. The only conclusion is a violation of GR2 for what could be up to seven years.
Turns out aryan nigger was the summer all along.

>>55126851
I have images, never said I was there during /new/.

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>>55101106
Traps are recursively evil.

>>55126875
You wanna know how I know I'm part Jew?

>>55116017
>Well it WAS /new/ - news, m00t just wanted to decry us as "people who are contrarian" hence the name change. I still have some old /new/ infographs and shit too.
>decry us as "people who are contrarian"
>us
>I still have some old /new infographics
>still
Hand tipped too early. Remember, we're masters of deception, and your honest anglo blood makes you a terrible liar.

>>55127011
>us
Referring to NatSocs and rightwingers as a whole, not us as in /new/ or /pol/.
>still
They aren't posted on /pol/ as much but they are still there, and many are still on infinity.

>>55107375
>well, MY property isn't theft
>only property of people RICHER than me is theft!

>player kills a bunch of innocent prison guards busting somebody out of a prison
>dm gives the player an alignment shift because of it
>player throws a bitch fit because the character didn't think it was an evil act
>character doesn't consider killing innocents an evil act because sometimes he "goes crazy"
:|

>>55125164
This

People are puting to much effort into the questions of what is evil, is there is evil, can in be defined, what is good, etc.

Barring it being a central part of the themes of the campaign taking a hard look at the hard matter is not helpful. If it is a central part of the themes of the campaign try to narrow it down to a few issues and logical works in the world.

>>55100496
>In D&D session
>DM asks me about the concept of evil
>Put on the spot, start panicking but remember a certain quote from Witcher 3
>"Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degreee is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all"
>DM looks stunned, class gives me a round of applause

>>55100724
I thought detect evil wasn't to detect anything evil in the area. Isn't it for if you already see/hear something and want to know if that something is evil?

>>55125883
>I haven't so much as read the wikipedia article on post-modernism.

Why does everyone who bitches about it seem to know nothing about it?

>>55131025
No, it's >>55106121 but it works within 30 feet so the guy your replying too would be delusional even if this was a real problem.

>>55132562
I took a 4-month literature "science" course and I can't give a fuck what postmodernism is formally, all I know is all given examples of it in terms of drama, poetry and epic were utter shit in terms of quality and apparently the post-modernism movement is to blame for making quality unimportant for art.
Luckily, certain aspects of popular culture still retain value for quality because there's a market for well-written books and theater. Unfortunately music not so much anymore.

>>55100496
Wow, DM, it's too deep for me