EDH/Commander General /edhg/

Hornet Queen in cats to hose Vamps and Dragons?

Y/N?

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Anyone do anything fun with their tokens? I have people I play against alter them.

>>55071435
i draw my own shitty stick figure tokens

I was going to build my own cat deck to throw felines at people. But wizards gone and did most of the work for me.

>>55071468
the cat deck is dog shit as it is, ive yet to see it win

>wizards is a shit deck
>won every pod with it

is everyone else a scrub but me?

>>55071483

It's only been 1 day and regardless Edgar is unbeatable in precon-only games

>>55071483
It just needs a bit of tweaking is all.

>guy plays mono-g selvala
>Drops Paradox engine turn 3
>Turns go around, it's turn 3 so not much happens, but one guy windfalls and another guy drops heartbeat of spring
>the turn before the paradox engine player

So yeah, he played out a ton of threats with his near infinite mana, got all his creatures killed but forced me and the wrathing player to tap out with Vorinclex, then killed both of us on his next turn. He lost due to being a moron, and took 30 more minutes to do it.

Yay for paradox engine...

>playing Edgar Markov right out of the box
>vs Angry Omnath, Locust God, and Newzuri
>play some cheap vampires, get tokens
>think I'm going to durddle and lose
>play Captivating Vampire and it takes over the game
>steal every commander and tilt the whole table

This vampire deck is nuts. I won 3 out of 4 games (two games with all precons, and then this one.) Anyone else having a good time with this deck?

>>55071538

>taps out for paradox engine and passes in a multiplayer game

???

>>55071538
>>>Drops Paradox engine turn 3

paradox engine is gay as fuck but honestly a full turn rotation is enough time to deal with just about any threat, even on turn 3. that guy more or less deserves to win if 1 player is feeding him cards and another is feeding him mana

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>building Mimeoplasm
>looking on EHDrec for inspiration
>it's all comboshit
>just wants a reanimator deck

>>55071579
Reanimation lends itself to comboshit is the thing.

>>55071514
Its a toss up between it and Wizards right from the box. Cats/Dragons dont really stand a chance.

>>55071579
take all the combo shit out then. or do the crazy thing and start from scratch and look for more specific search terms on edhrec or even magiccards.info

i've already seen you post this once already, no excuse senpai

>pre-order wizard deck
>comes in the mail on monday

perfect timing

>>55071579
reanimation is almost always combo focused though

>>55071587
>>55071678
not really though??? reanimation can be focused on grinding value, interacting with ETBs or reanimation some eldrazi fatty and smashing someone with an annihilator early on

>>55071713
Yeah, except it's more efficient to just build the deck to kill the moment you cast the jellyboy.

>>55071713
ya but why when you can just reanimate your combo on turn 4 and win?

>>55071723
yeah if you're a pussy

>>55071750
it's boring and not fun for the other players

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animate me!

>>55071766
Yeah, but most people that use EDHrec are sociopaths that don't care about the other player which why the only things up there are combo lists.

>>55071766
the only thing boring and unfun in MTG is when Im losing.

t. everyone who plays the game

>>55071483
It's not dog shit tho. It's cat shit

>>55071483
who cares. mtg is about fun.

I need spicy Boros suggestions. I already have Sunforger.

>>55071838
Yes, that's true. Sadly playing with a shit deck isn't fun, wood thunk?

Extra turns are degenerate. Prove me wrong.

What support spells should I use for "Kill Tribal" Mathas?

Got stuff like Kiku in there, but looking to flesh it out a bit more.

>>55071872
Who is the commander? Do you play Brion or a shit commander?

>>55071887
Extra turns to win a game? No.

Extra turns to durdle? Totally agree.

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>>55071889
Toshiro Umezawa could work well, because he lets you double up on kill spells

>>55071872
alms collector + wheel
archangle avacyn + batterskull
aetherflux resevoir + serra ascendant
bloodmoon + aether membrane

>>55071898

>Brion

I want to use Aurelia...

How are the new decks? Anyone here get good play time in with them already?

>>55071932
>Aurelia
My nigger.

>>55071579
Use the advanced search to only look at Mimeoplasm decks that include the reanimation cards you know you'll use.

I think there is a way to exclude some cards too so you could look at all the lists that don't have Lab Man or cancer like that.

>>55071921
Why archangel avacyn + batterskull?

>>55072056
Vampires is the best of the four. Tons of removal, free vampire tokens, and a commander that is pretty good at beating down.

Dragons is Durdle.dec . It doesn't have enough ramp or a reliable enough mana base to really beat down. Cute, but bad.

Don't have the other two. But, looking at deck lists, Wizards has a ton of good cards and UR staples. (Archaeomancer, Izzet Chronarch, Mercurial Chemister, Nev Disc, etc.). I imagine it's pretty good and probably right underneath Vampires.

>>55071932
>wanting to support the "muh combat" stereotype
Capital K kill yourself

>>55072143
living weapon gives a repeatable non angel creature to activate her flip and batterskull gives avacyn lifelink.

>>55062408 #
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-07-17-hapatra-edh/

This is what I've ended up with after about a month of playtesting and tuning. I'd say it's very conditional on your meta; some people have gotten pretty salty about quilspike + devoted druid going infinite. Even without that, the triggers can get out of hand fast when you start putting counters on more than a few creatures at a time. If your meta is creature-heavy enough to support her I would definitely recommend. She snowballs harder than almost any deck I've played

good commander for a chaos type deck? destroy everything, deal damage at random, flip coin, discard hands, etc.

one card i know for sure is going in is the new goad sorcery

>>55072209
N O R I N

>>55072209
mono red grenzo

>>55072056
>>55072168
the wizards has a bunch of good cards but the deck itself is kinda garbo. inalla's eminence ability is so niche that it doesn't really do much in the precon. the best part of the wizard deck is Kess, Dissident Mage and maybe a few other cards like Shifting Shadow and so on, but they don't fit in the precon at all.

Dragons probably needs like 20 ramp cards, like 10 2-drop ramps and 10 4-drop ramps to consistently get to that 6 mana to actually be able to cast your stuff. and even then you mostly want to cheat your stuff out with stuff like selvala's stampede and lurking predators whenever possible

the vamps seem to be the best out of the box yeah

>>55072209
Norin is captain of chaos

>>55072233
>>55072257
norin doesn't do anything

>>55072209
Probably some kind of UR commander would be the best. There must be a lot of Izzet of cards with random effects, and lots of card draw to keep on going.

>>55071838
and losing every time because of the shit deck isnt fun

>>55072301
>>55072209
Also, Izzet has many cost reducers for instants and sorceries, so you can cast more stuff.

>>55072284
No, he does nothing.

thanks for the recs. i'll have to read up on Norin, he looks.. special.

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>>55072284

>>55072284
He survives.

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>>55072330

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>>55072343
*homewards your path*

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>>55072363
*bloods your moon*

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>>55072328
>izzet
this looks like it can be fun

>>55072284
No, he does nothing.

>>55072444
She's much more cute in her card art.
Nice trips though.

>>55072195
Ah, using the equip to cause a mini wrath, now I get it

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>>55072056
I like cats if you just focus on selesnya equips, your general gets you the magnet hammer and lets you do dumb things with the Blade of Selves. Exponential axes make me giddy like a schoolgirl too.

>>55072455

That's her promo art, it looks good foil but normal jhoira foil is of course better

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Have you remembered to bow to your lord today?

>>55072487
hey nicky b, is curse tribal viable yet?

>>55072465
This card is too much fun. I need to make a bunch of custom axe tokens.

Here's a question: If I have an equipment attached to Creature 1, can I pay the equip cost of it to move it over to Creature 2, or does Creature 1 need to die before it can be moved?
If I can, does this mean Leonin Shikari + Lightning Greaves is a instant, sliding shroud?

>>55072493
No because even if they were were to be good, you'll lose all your progress once the victim dies.

>>55071427

Seems lame, if people are upgrading their precons, they should be designed to compete against real decks in a real meta, not be tailored to get cheap wins on not-upgraded precons

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>>55072444
>they nerfed Jhoira assets

>>55072499
You can change equips between creatures before they die, but Equip is Sorcery speed.

>>55072627
So with Leonin Shikari that let's me do equips as an instant, I can basically make any spell targeted at my guys fizzle? Cool.

>>55072470
It's not a promo, it's the duel deck art

>>55072174

>wanting to play blue and/or green in edh ever

exile yourself

>>55072499
Yes & Yes
You can equip whenever you have priority & able to cast instants with Shikari out. The downside of Lightning Greaves's shroud is also negated with her shince you can just bounce them around until the other equips stick.

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How do you dudes feel about the Theros block Scrylands in your decks? Is the scry that helpful? Trying to see what I can replace some of my taplands in my Atraxa deck with.

Murmuring Bosk isn't coming out though because I can grab it with farseek.

>>55072679
i play them because they're cheap duals. scry is always nice

>>55072284
oh how wrong you are

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>chaos warping a turn 1 sol ring

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>>55072714
>sol ring cWarped into Iona

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>>55072714
>Chaos warping a cabal coffers
I really should run ghost quarter

>>55071515
how would you tweak it? if i attempt to keep it still in theme, and prices of single cards mostly under 5 euros?
Should i start emphasizing the go tall strategy as Arahbo supports it, or just change the commander and go wider? Or more specifically is one or the other easier to achieve with a budget cards

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>>55071435
I made a sand token with actual sand last week

>>55072790
Better artifacts and equips.

Switching out the Ur Daddy with the Scion makes the deck so much better already.

>>55072839
please tell me that it was in a sealed sleeve

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>>55072839
>putting sand on the table

>>55072884
>Not playing on the beach
What are you? An inland fag?

>>55072679
Depends how much draw you have. I played a Temple of Mystery in Edric until I realized that I was drawing half my deck every game and the Scry didn't matter. In Karlov, where it's pretty important that I don't get flooded or screwed, and I don't have that much draw, Temple of Silence carries its weight.

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>>55072879
>>55072884
Don't worry, it's all under tape and the sleeve is taped shut as well. It's pretty lazy, but now that I know it works I might try to make some nicer ones.
I also made two shitty tokens for Arjun.

>>55073007
Cute

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>>55072374
Brands your ass

>>55072790
Go with master smith catman and his magical magnetic hammer, though Arahbo does let you pull random blowouts with stuff like lost leonin.

>>55072862
You might as well just play the old Scion lists at that point, Ur-Dragon is for people that actually want to play their dragons instead of one-hit killing people while entombing mass revival fodder.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-wonder-twins-1/

Still looking for suggestions for my zombies deck before I purchase the upgrades. Thoughts?

>Question
I didn't buy a precon yet.

>>55073007
11/10

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>>55073112
nice zombies you got there

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>>55071769
here ya go

>>55073176
holy shit i'm dead

thanks anon, thanks!

>>55072679
I'd say they're the best always tapped duals, but all always tapped duals are worse than always untapped/conditionally untapped duals. Worth it over a basic in 2c, maybe worth it in low budget 3c, not worth it in 4c/5c.

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>>55073176

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>>55073007
Among all the crap in these threads, this made me very happy.

>EDH tomorrow
>new decks didn't arrive today

God dammit, this is the only time I can play EDH for 3 weeks

>>55073176
I keep imagining he's going to fly off into another sketch.

>>55073242
>>55073160
>>55073024
Thank you!

>>55073176
Nice

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>be a Europoor
>pimping elfball deck
>pimping it oldskool style
>arena beta forests
>old bordered promo's, etc
>slow but getting there
>it turns into collecting old green foils
>only Ursa cards left to complete
>Yavimaya Hollow, Hermit, etc.
>saving up 'cuse expensive as fuck
>MCM gets completely cleaned out in a week
>literally everything get bought up
>allllll. offfff. itttttt.
>mfw being so close yet so far

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>Mirri is only $3
I know, "dies to removal," but goddamn. Were other commander singles prices as weird on day one?

>>55073904
Mirri doesn't enable broken bullshit nor does she autowin on her own, she's just good at making combat asymmetrical.

So, I built a Mairsil list and it doesn't feel TOO bad right now. But I want to be able to run Panharmonicon and Conjurer's to get more cage value.

Problem is, outside of Mairsil, I have only one card that works with it. Corpse Connoisseur.

To save me the trouble of looking at 2000 cards with colons in them again, what are some solid creatures/artifacts that have ETBs AND good activated abilities?

>>55073938
There are no good creatures/artifacts with both etb and activated abilies

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>>55073007
>When you cast Hazezon Tamar

>>55073951
Okay. I guess I'll cut those two.

This list is a nightmare to trim down already, so any cards I can just cut are a relief. Aetherling and Argent Sphinx will have to be my only "flicker" for Mairsil.

>>55074014
Keep Conjurer's. Getting more things in the cage if the enemy doesn't obligingly kill Mairsil and charge you commander tax is important.

>>55073938
>>55073951
Theoretically, Multiform Wonder could be useful if you could support an Energy theme.

>>55072671
>implying combat is exclusive to Boros
Hell, only UG deck I have is Rafiq combat triggers.
Nice projecting though, fagola

Mer-Ek Nightblade and Abzan Falconer on aggro Edgar deck. Yay or nay?

>>55074119

Actually forgot about all those dudes that etb give you energy and then have energy activated abilities. Some of them might be good enough to justify conjurer's closet or panharmonicon in mairsil, the only one coming to mind is the whirler virtuoso, I don't think multiform wonder is good in edh, random interesting beaters are more suited to limited and cube

>>55074172
>random interesting beaters are more suited to limited and cube

Yeah, but making your commander into a random, interesting beater could be useful.

>>55074167
Falconer yes. Deathtouch one no

>>55071411
Got Vampires, pretty much just added all 1cmc vampires and Drana in place of all the fatpires the precon came with. Also a real mana base.
It's been ruining shit everywhere, Only multiplayer tables I've lost have been against turn two labman bull, and I have devastated everyone who challenged me to 1v1. After 16 games I'm sitting at 32-1 and that one was a round where Meren got a recurring fleshbag loop.
Newzuri, Zurgo, Breya, Radha, Inalla, Abubu, Bruse-Reyhan, Selvala, Traximundar, Rafiq, Meren, Geist x2 and Anafenza x2 have all gone down to an in-development Edgar. The guy's getting banned in 1v1 and the only thing that keeps him safe in multy is that he's not blue.

>>55072174
I play Aurelia as a control deck with Aurelia as a finisher, what now faggot?

>>55074364
Free bodies are a spoopy thing.

>>55072338
I can guarantee you that you will have a ton of fun with Norin.

But you'll be the only player at the table who does. I know I am.

>>55073007
You're awesome. Don't make nicer ones, those are perfect.

>>55072493
The best way to do it would be with Zur so you can cheat out the cheap ones.

My best friend plays Azami Paradox Engine combo, and now more recently Zur the Enchanter prison. Those are the only two decks he plays regularly.

I'm usually opposed to this "spirit of EDH" bullshit but how can I get some of this spirit of EDH in him so he at least occasionally brings out his cool Jenara and Nahiri decks? I'm all for having uninteractive combo decks at a table but that's not the full extent of the format, right?

>>55074425
good idea but you'd miss out on red curses. WBR seems like the best colour combination

https://deckstats.net/decks/91953/796525-kambal-life-steal
still working on this deck
main is cards I have on hand now
sidebaord is carding comming in mail
Im bad at cutting cards would love some advice on which ones to cut to make room for lands

>>55073007
Nice!

>>55073007
Can I... can I commission some tokens from you?

>>55073938
Demon of dark schemes is a poor man's massacre wurn that can reanimate shit.

Is cEDH pretty much just singleton Vintage?

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>>55074119
>>55074517
>Grixis energy can actually be a thing

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Please to advice or criticism on this casual list.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sidisi-jank-tyrant/

Leovold isn't banned in my playgroup.

>>55074119
>>55074552
>>55074517
I was considering an energy subtheme, but I'm afraid it would eat up too many slots. Then again, with Energy, I could use Contagion Engine and Proliferate (which also works with Charge Counters).

Hm. Dang it. Maybe I'll make multiple lists and see what ends up most fun. Energy seems like a nice fun unique way of going about it since it isn't 2 card combo-y.

>>55074067
Maybe. I'll see how it plays. I'm just worried someone will cast Nevermore and I'll be stuck staring at my Conjurer's Closet in hand upset.

>>55074470
Outside of Aetherflux Reservoir I don't see any real win cons.
This looks very much like a Uncle Karl deck, almost all of your cards are lifegain triggers.
You don't have any bombs.
The deck would be fine if you just swapped out the commander, though.
And Crested Sunmare.

>>55074520
No, vintage sees more much more aggro and control play. cEDH is pretty much just combo with the occasional Stax deck.

>>55074220

Hmm fair enough

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>>55074552
>aethertide whale with mister jank and panharmonicon
Is this a good idea or a great idea?

>>55074606
yeah most of the stuff in the "sidebaord" is the reall meat
and yeah commander will be swaped for karlov I just need to cut stuff to fit in the "sideboard" not sure what though

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>>55074625
Be sure to also have Aetherworks marvel and pic related in there

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>>55074625
Damn it, I was trying to find cuts, not new subthemes.

Fuck it, building two lists. The "run big creatures with amazing activated abilities and drawbacks" was awkward anyway. And I have all these energy cards anyway.

>>55074692
I love the art on that guy.

Captcha: Thank you zone

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I tried Edgar as a hardcore aggressive deck, but it didn't work out so well in my meta. I built him into an aristocrats-style deck that generates value off the tokens and either goes for a purphoros/blood artist win or transitions into an aggressive deck after controlling the board, but I'm having some issues with that. When I played Teysa, she was a 3-drop and most of the good cards she interacts with cost 2 or 3 mana, but the curve for a similar Edgar deck is so much higher that I'm usually not doing anything until I get to 6 or 7 mana.

What can I do to make Edgar aristocrats better?

>>55074725
Probably run more ramp and early drops that synergize.

Signets, Hordeling Outburst, etc.

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>>55074712
He has some decent stuff

>>55074744
well sure, but what vampires other than the obvious blood artist and viscera seer should i be running to take full advantage of edgar?

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>>55074758
Oh wow, now that I look into it he's done a lot of nice stuff. Glorybringer, Horizon Chimera, stuff like that.

>>55074783
pulse tracker
blood seeker

>>55074783
bloodghast

>>55074725
Voldaren Pariah

>>55074783
>Asylum Visitor
>Bloodghast
>Bloodthrone Vampire
>Falkenrath Gorger
>Gatekeeper of Malakir
>Guul Draz Assassin
>Insolent Neonate
>Kalastria Highborn
>Olivia's Bloodsworn
>Vampire Hexmage

>>55074811
>>55074832
>>55074783
can't forget nighthawk

>>55074783
Falkenrath Aristocrat is a free sac outlet too. Olivia Voldaren to steal opponents stuff?

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>>55074855
>Voldaren Pariah
That's nasty, I need it

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>>55074783
Bit expensive manawise but..

Also Bloodline keeper.

>>55074783
nameless inversion

Eminence was a mistake.

>>55074924
agreed and i have only played against oloro

>>55074924
We've been saying that since 2013.

>>55074924
We have to power creep EVERY FORMAT

>>55074950
Power creeping through commander abilities is the worst because it reduces diversity. It draws more players to those commanders specifically.

I'm all for power creeping through other cards in the precons though. Just not the commanders themselves.

>>55074970
ramos is so good though, way better than the ur-dragon

>>55075004
Yes and I won't mind Ramos at my table because you can interact with him. You can't interact with fucking eminence.

>>55075053
at least the cat and dragon aren't overwhelmingly strong though

>>55075140
IMHO none of the new Eminence legendaries are stronger than Oloro. Wizards comes pretty close though

>edgar makes 1/1 dudes
>in colors that easily access Skullclamp
Edgar Winter Group.dek is some bullshit

>>55075213
Edgar's Eminence is actually extremely strong.
Inalla's main benefit is Bloodline Necromancer combos.

>>55075140
>turn 2 Tek
>turn 3 Draco
Never been meme'd so hard in my life.

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A token for my Endrek Sahr deck I've made the other day

can someone give me a quick rundown on the Wanderwine Prophets + Inalla combo? What champions what and which merfolk do you sacrifice?

>>55075528
>What champions what and which merfolk do you sacrifice?

The answer is always Wanderwine Prophets.

>>55075528

Wanderwine prophets etbs, stack the inalla trigger such that it resolves before the champion a merfolk trigger resolves, the hasty wander wine token etbs, champion the original wanderwine prophet, the hasty one attacks, deals combat damage, sacrifices itself to take an extra turn, which would return the original to the battlefield

I'm not sure how to make this infinite but that's a "combo" in that you get to take an extra turn without any other Merrfolk in play the urn you play it

>>55075524
>no pants
Where's he keep the spinnach?

>>55075271
It turns Wanderwine Prophets into a one-card infinite turns combo if you have enough mana

>>55075528
>Wanderwine Prophets enters the battlefield
>Champion trigger goes on the stack
>Inalla trigger goes on the stack
>Resolve Inalla trigger, creating a copy
>Copy Wanderwine enters the battlefield
>Copy Champion trigger goes on the stack
>Resolve Copy Champion trigger, championing the original Wanderwine Prophets
>Original Champion trigger resolves, doing nothing
>Attack with Copy Wanderwine Prophets
>Copy Wanderwine Prophets ability triggers
>Sacrifice Copy Wanderine Prophets
>Original Wanderwine Prophets returns to the battlefield
>Go back through steps 2 through 8
>End of turn
>Exile Copy Wanderwine Prophets
>Original Wanderwine Prophets returns to the battlefield
>Go back through steps 2 though 8

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>>55074914
She's served me well in standard, but she just doesn't seem that good in EDH and multiplayer formats in general. It's like what's sac 3 to target opponent in this playstyle? And that's not counting killspell in response to you feeding her 3 guys.

>>55075271
inalla does some wacky bullshit with archaeomancer, snapcaster, dualcaster, etc.

>>55075613
you then make a copy of the returning original, champion copy using it. Copy 2 dies EoT, returns original, make a copy 3, champion it with original as past point in turn where triggered EoT happens, so you have it ready for next turn.

>>55075646

Then on the extra turn you have a token wanderwine in play, you attack, sac it for another extra turn, original returns into play, you copy it, copy champions original, end of turn it goes way, original returns to play, copy it, copy champion original, and again next turn you have a copy in play that can attack

Cool combo

>>55075663
If you've got a Gravepact or Butcher on the field then it's 3 for 6
And some decks aren't too creature heavy/would've already lost their chump bodies to your vamp attacks so trading 2-3 1/1s and a chump for their important shit is a good deal.
And 5 mana for 6/5 flying isn't awful all things considered.

>>55075639
>granting him more spinach than he can carry in his only free hand
A recipe for a disaster

>>55075663
you can easily feed her 1/1s no problem, you should have 4 or 5 by the time you drop her. and forcing someone to sac 3 things is pretty stellar

>>55074364
Got a list? I thought edgar looked really good but no matter how I thought about it didnt seem strong enough to compete with most of the higher tier decks in mulitplayer, and seemed worse than arahbo in duel (playing a cat adds 3 damage, playing a vampire only adds 1 but is cumulative, you have to run cats out one a time or just only get a max of 3 more damage). What exactly are you doing? Skullclamp is a thing I guess but that didnt seem like a thing you could hang your hat on.

>>55074364
Did any of those red or black ones have a good amount of small/cheap sweepers? Something like that and an inferno titan seems good against cheap body spam.

>>55075861
what he's doing is playing mana rocks and cheap vampires against baddies that don't have removal or wraths in their decks

>>55076169
Zurgo with no removal or wraths would have to be a really, really bad Zurgo list

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How's it faring so far?

>>55076198
yeah. aggressive edgar folds to a turn 4 wrath of god if you don't have teferi's protection in hand.

it's like saskia. you can easily one-shot someone the turn saskia comes down assuming no one has any removal for any of your creatures.

>>55076218
I've already used Ertai's Meddling against a friend who cast it. It was pretty funny.

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>Thinking of picking up the Vampire or Cats deck and playing them as-is.
>Know they'll get stomped in my playgroup without serious upgrades.

Sigh. If only my mates would lighten up, we could have fun for once.

Aside from that, Path of Ancestry in Edric? Y/N? I don't like the comes-into-play-tapped part, since the deck has to be fast as hell, and maybe the scry isn't worth it since I usually draw a lot anyways. But sometimes, early-on, when I only have two or three creatures, I like to make sure I am not getting a card that I don't need.

>>55076447
it's sort of just a better scryland. replace temple of mystery with it if you're running that.

I have been making my deck more wizardy for a while, and am trying to up my wizard count. What should I cut so I can add a Disciple of Bolas to my deck?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/10-10-16-marchesa-the-black-rose/

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What's that? You want to build board? Too bad

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>>55076447
I played Vampires and Wizards with a friend and hated the inconsistency. The amount of cards I'd never want to see in my hand is staggering and lady luck hates my ass. When I'm playing wizards my shit is blown up every turn, when I'm playing vampires it gets returned to my hand every turn.

>>55071505
Honestly, having a one mana repeatable Twinflame live at almost all times is pretty fucking powerful.

>>55076752
Cats has been pretty consistent for me because it's literally just play dudes and give them sticks to hit people with.

Mairsil is a 4/4 too? Jesus fucking christ.

I am so excited. Though this mana base is gonna suck. I want to be able to cast Kozilek in case I can't cage him, but Arcanis and Kiki-Jikki are triple colored, so what the fuck ever.

>>55074857
I think you can forget nighthawk. 2/3 LL DT for 1BB is just not great. Much better things that you can be doing for that mana.

>>55074167
Cathar's Crusade

>>55075646
Thank you

Is The Command Zone decent or a bunch of chucklefucks who don't know what they're talking about?

>>55077123

The latter

>>55077123
It's mostly good. Why not just check it out yourself?

>>55077090
Lifelink Deathtouch Flying. Nighthawk is a pure value play and you can throw swords or buffs on him and go to town.

>>55077123
Best decide for yourself, I think. I listened to a lot of their episodes when I was relatively new to the format, but nowadays I don't really get anything out of the show. EDH can vary so wildly from playgroup to playgroup that you're better off making your own conclusions based on your experiences.

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Thought on Carnival of Souls in Inalla? It effectively makes her ability cost 1 life instead of 1 mana. Makes wanderwine loops essentially free and bloodline necromancer combo with any sac outlet (with enough life).

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HELP SENPAI!
Is there a way to search for cards with activated abilities on magiccards.info?

>>55077483
You can do it on Gatherer so I assume it will work on magiccards.info -- Search rules text for the : (colon) character since all activated abilities are templated as cost : effect

>>55075646
>>55075528
Damnit I was hoping for a Bogs gestalt

>>55077583
Thanks

>>55077375
It's not a may ability. Hope you don't kill yourself by accident.

>>55077123
theyre trendy nu-nerds in the same league as wil weaton and the reason why mtg is pandering to sjws

theyre shitters and absolute cancer to the game

>>55077375
On the other hand unless you have some sort of life gain it makes your infinites finite. With Wanderwine Turns, for instance, you'll be losing 4 each go, which is the same that the wanderwine will be dealing to one opponent. True, that gives you 9 turns (from a fresh start) to find a win or out. Bloodline Necro spam will cost you two life per token -- with just Inalla to kill you get (about; the math gets more complicated with trigger stacking) 7 damage per 5 vampires, technically per turn but really you want everyone to get dead before you have to untap your shit. That's not going to happen at 7 to them for 10 to your dome though you can at least reach parity with Goblin Bombardment and maybe win with Pandemonium

If you want to ignore the cost of Inalla's ability, and even profit, take Mana Echoes instead.

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Are there some specific lands that goes into every monocolored deck?

>>55077801
Scavenger Grounds.

>>55077731
that was so many buzzwords it was almost art

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>>55077801

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Help me solve this bloke.

A big stupid dragon with some with a killer effect.
I think there's some real power to his effect.
A dragon swings and you free cast a permanent. Surely there's a way to make that brutal? Let's look.

Cons:
>da faq is that mana cost
>need dragon synergy
>aw nah nigga dont instant speed kill mr ur dagon
>if you're looking for free shit through combat triggers there are better commanders

Pros:
>those other commanders pull hate. For now this guy could easily fly under the radar
>every single color has it's perks
>one more point of power and ether a extra combat phase or double strike would voltron kill someone.

Would be easy to put a few auras and protections in to him him into a sneaky voltron.
"yeah yeah ill let the guy with the pre con swing once"

>>55071624

>wizards winning

how

>>55077861

This is more of a cube card than an edh card, still can be good in a smokestack type deck though

>>55073007
>the sand is double sleeved
>THE SAND
>DOUBLE SLEEVED

Ive seen niggas not bother to double sleeve foil mythics. This anon is the truest of gangstas

>>55077914
Skullclamp bra

>>55077123
They're okay, but they leave out a lot of more advanced discussion because they feel people don't want to listen to it/it adds a lot more editing work. They're a good source for starter information, but I've found myself enjoying it less and less as I get more experience with the format

that and the FUCKING SINGING

Yo /edhg/, I'm building Sidisi, Brood Tyrant.
Hit me with your fanciest basic lands, bonus points if on theme.

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So, if Mairsil eats pic related he can then use her ability to let the stuff he ate back out of their cages? Not sure if there would ever be a situation where you would need that though

>>55078060
No, look up "linked abilities" in the CR.

>>55078060
Linked abilities. Kaho's activated ability only works with cards exiled with her ETB.

>>55078075
>>55078086
Oh well

>>55078056
>norin the wary with 37 arabian nights mountains

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>>55078056
These are pretty fucking nice.

>>55078411
You can't deceive me, it doesn't say "Plains" on the card

>>55078391
>>55078422
MAYBE i should reformulate.
I'm looking for BUG lands.
Possibly on theme with Sidisi.

>>55078422
yeah man it's a forest

sidisi likes those

>>55071579
I'd say look at meren, a lot better for value reanimator.

>>55078456
that's a forest mate

>>55078474
Then why does it have plains painted on it

>>55078498
they accidentally printed forests of that set in germany with the plains art and border

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>>55078056

>>55078529
Holy shit, those are expensive.

>>55078056
Update: going for Rob Alexander Forests and Islands, Forests still up.
By the way, how much blue cards do you have in your Sidisi deck?
I've got just an handful, wondering if I should add some.

>>55078626
Ops, Swamps are still open, not forest

>>55078586
i've got one of each as the basics in my 100% scion deck.

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>>55078626
>>55078634
Here's my objective best lands list, enjoy perfection.

Q: With Smokestack [with 1 soot counter] and Chisei, Heart of Oceans out simultaneously, can you layer the upkeep triggers to remove a soot counter via Chisei, sac none, then add a soot counter?

Or will you always have to add soot or don't, then sac permanent because the triggers are on the same card in that order?

Shamanic Revelation or Rishkar's Expertise in Mazirek?

>>55078764
yes, you can. you won't be getting full use out of smokestack but it works.

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>>55071411
I wanna make Cats as degenerate as possible, and I plan to do that by making Mirri Stax/Hatebears, with win condition either staxing everyone then Stampeding, or gaining life to tutor for a quick Felidar Sovereign(Cats and White both have tons of Lifelink creatures and enablers)

Any good cards I might not know about to start making this?

Help settle my indecisiveness. Wizard or Dragon?

>>55078784
wizards if you like mairsil
dragons if you like ramos

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>>55078056
I think Kaladesh lands will be top tier in 10 years. They're fucking preety

>>55078784
Dragons performed way better than I expected in a sealed tournament. Cats underperformed. Everyone says Wizards is trash but it has preety good cards and I don't know if it's that bad honestly, considering everyone was bashing dragons until they played it and it wrecked shit

>>55078767
Rishkar's.

>>55078792

>Wizards if you like Mairsil

I do like him. I'll probably build around Inalla, because I want to make Wizard tribal.

>Dragons if you like ramos

I'll probably build Scion or Ur Dragon for dragon tribal.

>>55078803

I guess my one hold over with the wizards is I'm not sure how to win outside of infinite combo, which I'm trying to avoid I guess. I've wanted to build Wizard tribal for a long time though.

Dragons is 'easier' and while I'm worried about getting blown out harder I do like the fact that it comes with a full set of the basic lands which I think look kind of pretty.

I guess that's where I'm at.

>>55078774
So in essence, you can let smokestack get as big as you want, or control it to keep it at a specific value?

That's worth including then.

>>55078793
I agree.
Too bad I already use this one in my Patron of the Moon.

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>>55078106
Would I be able to hit other caged exiles if I caged Synod Sanctum?

>>55078878
"all cards exiled with Synod Sanctum" means all cards exiled with Synod Sanctum's first ability. No.

>>55078878
>>55078075

>>55078855
you have the combo, right?

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this good for protecting your commander from a total boardwipe? tap in response

>>55078997
Only boardwipes that hit all creatures and artifacts and don't exile, unless you've got a lot of artifact sacrifice outlets.

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>>55078911
Oh well. Thanks.

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I wanna make a white commander deck with this guy as my gneral. Any suggestions for cards to use other than a lot of white planeswalkers?

>>55075004
The dragons precon did it right

Ramos is preety good, but the best Dragon Tribal commander will always be Scion. The Ur-Dragon is good for casual gayming but will never be more than a Timmy's wet dream

I like this year set's decks. We have a deck for Timmies(Dragons), a deck for Johnny/Spikes in Wizards and Timmy/Spikes with Vamps, and a deck for fucking retards with Cats

Last year were great, but what they printed was far more powerful than anything outside there for the colors. People have no reason to not play Breya, Atraxa, Yidris or the Partners if they want to 4 color. This year, none of the decks are THE BEST EVER at something, which is nice

>>55079138
Maybe Orbs of Warding/Leyline of Singularity to keep from getting burned and having the damage redirected? White staples like Tithe, Land Tax, a few Wraths won't hurt. Anthems, Secure the Wastes, go with Elspeths to win.

>>55079108
Yeah, learning how linked abilities worked killed a lot of jank that Mairsil can do, but there's always more jank, Anon.

Always more jank.

>>55077375
I actually thought about this in edgar since it makes each vampire cast repay 2 mana which nets mana on 1 drops and youre in white for enchantment tutors but couldnt think of where to go with that.

I know its subjective but what are the most fun decks to play in your opinion?

hard mode: why?

>>55079178
i've never seen a dragon tribal scion deck, it's always been a "double strike skythrix turn 4" deck

>>55079246
combo deck, feels like i'm playing a slotmachine but i'm not wasting money and chance of jackpot is high

>>55079138
Norn's Annex, Archangel of Tithes and Sphere of Safety protect walkers.

Inheritance and Mentor of the Meek will help you have card draw. I'd run a Mind's Eye and Staff of Nin anyway.

>>55079246
Yisan. The idea of pathing through my deck to handle any situation and go for the win is incredibly appealing to me. I have to know my deck like the back of my hand. I have to play around my opponents. I have to predict whether I should go for a faster combo or keep things slow and grind out value. Do I go for a Double Verse now or later? The possibilities are immense and it's never the same game.

>>55079246
Decks that have janky synergies that don't win the game.

Even simple shit like using Arena and Bow of Nylea mid combat. Or using Cackling Counterpart on a Eternal Witness token.

>>55079299
>Yisan has to play around his opponents

Loving every laugh.

>>55079320
>i play jank with no answers
(You)

>>55078731
those are nice indeed

>>55079299
Yisan masturbates furiously to the thought that no matter how hard people try they'll fail

>>55079247

This is the reason why I want to run Ur-Dragon over Scion. Scion seems like it wants to run toolbox/combo, but I want to play big retarded timmy dragons. Scion helps by making them cheaper but also being the biggest retardedest dragon ever.

>>55079209
Yeah, true. Can still abuse my brain in a jar and Aladdin's lamp.

>>55079420
I just realized that even if I failed to cage up Engaging Licid, if I phase out Mair with Mist Dragon's phasing, he comes back with haste!

Whoooo.

How to win as control with no combo? I play with a fairly casual group and I don't enjoy combo winning on the new players. I'd even be okay with lab maniac.

The deck in question is Zur Control, but not stax. I just want to fetch out Necropotence and gain life cause I miss big daddy Griselbrand.

>>55079541
>No Combo
>No Stax

You need a lock of some description. This is Zur we're talking about so I think you could manifest a Stasis-based hard lock fairly easily. At that point you can pull out good old chronatog and just let your opponents draw themselves to death one card at a time.

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Banefire or Comet Storm?

Or both?

>>55079635
molten disaster

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>>55079440
I somehow missed that the creature doesn't have to be a wizard. This changes everything.

>>55079138
Moat

>>55079635
Both

>>55079635
Comet Storm is the best fireball effect in edh imo.

>>55079204
>Elspeths
sorry, I'm a chump and dont know what Elspeths or what Anthems is. Can you elaborate?

>>55079295
Thanks lad, thanks to both of u.

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>>55079743
Oh man, you're pretty new to all this. Elspeth is a planeswalker, one of the three monowhite characters to be one.

Anthem is Glorious Anthem or cards similar to it. They make your creatures bigger.

>>55079587
I mean I'm trying to still have fun. If it was a competitive meta then absolutely I agree with you. At the kitchen table, I'm looking for something more fun I guess is what I'm trying to say.

My tastes might just be retarded and unreasonable though I get that.

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>>55079743
White has an affinity for making a bunch of little 1/1 creatures. I highly suggest adding pic related to patch White's only glaring weakness: Card Draw.
Skullclamp is literally the most broken equipment in the game and is ($)cheap to add since it's banned in a lot of the other popular formats

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>>55079635
>love drinking fireball
>been seeing adverts for the fireball tour all weekend at Reading
>reading this while drinking

why do you do this to me

>>55079960
>Clamp
>not Greaves
In other formats, maybe. In Commander, nah.

>>55079984
0/10

>>55078793
Nah, fuck all the wibbly wobbly parts

>>55071411
Got Dragons and swapped out some lands for shocks and fetches and looking to swap some rocks for better color fixing if i don't hit my shocks/fetches

>>55078997
>hurr I put my commander into big rock
>alright, I let it resolve then cast Return to Dust/Cyclonic Rift/whatever on it
>durr where my commander go
Great idea

Hey why is dragonlord dromoka now a $20+ card.

>>55080090
I think it sees some play in legacy nic fit, it's also just a good beater.

>>55080090
Buyout.

>>55079794
It's difficult to make control work without being at least a little mean. If you don't lock or Stax, there's only so long you can suppress a whole board before you run dry, even given Zur's advantages, so you generally want to combo in order to win. If your commander is a legit wincon, this is less true -- I run The Scarab God as a bounce/discard control shell but Scarab God does global life-loss and alchemizes anything I kill into another 4/4 on the board for me, making my resources psuedo-infinite.

Zur doesn't do anything like that: Instead, he tutors. Being able to snag specific cards from your deck lends itself to (given what subser Zur can fetch) either Combo (Grab Necropotence or a compo piece that fits the bill) or Voltron (Grab Battle Mastery/Daybreak Coronet and shit).

If you really want to play Zur Control, you might consider Voltron on Zur as your wincon. He can make himself this big, shroud, double-strike monster that can chew through players pretty fast. If you use your control elements mostly to protect him, you'll have a chance in a casual fun group.

>>55080090
c17

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>>55072714
>mental misstepping a turn 1 sol ring
>winds of changing everyone's hand to crap turn 1

what do you prefer?

commandzones 40 minutes commandergames

or this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZrcEhRdM3E

I prefer the latter, got me into commander, can't stand the reality-tv crap that is commandzone

>>55075861
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-08-17-eWc-edgar-markov/
This is my currently undefeated (19-0 matches, 38-2 in games) 1v1 list.
I even won a game vs Nissa with one land.

For multi I played the same list with the following changes:
>Drop: Lightning Greaves, Smuggler's Copter, Liliana of the Veil, Daretti Ingenious Iconoclast, Cracling Doom, Fatal Push, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Helix,
>Add: Purphoros God of the Forge, Impact Tremors, Cursed Totem, Damping Matrix, Rest in peace, Stony Silence, Vampiric Tutor, Teferi's Protection
It's not 4c Hermit Druid, but it's been beating or at least doing massive damage in non-100% tables.

And Abobo is shit, literally "dies to removal" the commander, my bro bought it and built it for 1v1 and it's been losing to others in our playgroup like Zurgo, Karlov, Baral, Tymna-Kondo and Tymna-Kraum While I've only had a bit of trouble vs Titania and Meren.

Found a bunch of wal mart cubes with commander decks, one had freya. I wasn't playing when she came out so can someone tell me why her deck is $60 online and if I should upgrade it/ or pull it apart .

>>55076009
Yes, I ran my dudes into Rolling Earthquake, Sudden Demise, Toxic Deluge, etc. And Still got back on track. Only trouble I had was with a Fleshbag Marauder coming back every turn plus spot removal.

>>55080253
I don't usually have 3 and half hours to sit down and watch someone else play EDH when I could spend that much time playing it myself.

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>>55080299
I meant freyalise

>>55078626
Just wait a couple months for Uncucked's new Avon full arts.

New thread

>>55080348
>>55080348
>>55080348
>>55080348

>>55080253
Starcity and Goldfish's series are both unironically better. Suarez comes up with neat tech often and the retards at Goldfish are pretty much a crash course on jank and how to break MOL.

>>55080299
It's pretty much a pre-built Ezuri deck. You just need Wirewood Herald, Wirewood Lodge, Wirewood Symbiote, Heritage Druid, Sylvan Library, Gaea's Cradle, Nykhtos and you're done.