You guys do realize this will be the death of GW right? In just

Sure nigga, the normie filth that watches GoT and SW are widely known to be so invested in their fandom to buy some shit miniatures they have to paint and go play wargames to the bar. Fuck off.

>>55049428
The writing's on the walls for games like aos and 40k. People are fed up with shit rules, and are willing to move on to superior rule sets. This is why xwing got so popular.

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>>55049428
>normie filth
Shit negroid, who pissed in your cornflakes?
Did the boys in the locker room laugh at you? Or worse, do they like the same things as you but also happen to be functional members of society?

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>Dropzone Commander will be the 40k killer!
>the Halo minis game will be the 40k killer!
>AT-42 will be the 40k killer!

I like SW and GoT.
But miniwargames based on them sound shit. I don't want to see it.

>>55049840
It's people calling the latest FPS game "Halo killers" or the latest MMO "WoW killers" all over again.
Sure is 2005 in here.

>>55049840
This. Also desu who really gives a shit. Let Gw have more competition to keep them on their toes. I'm liking their new "overpriced kits".

>>55049655
>This is why xwing got so popular.

Xwing is popular because it's fucking Star Wars.

If FFG had instead chosen to base the game on Warhammer 40,000 air combat with prepainted minis, instead of Star Wars, with the exact same rules, it would have died out within a year of release.

>>55050992
See: Wings of Glory

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LoL

>>55049840
>dropzone (lmao)
>spartan games
>pedro
lol literally no one ever said that unless they were tarded

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>>55049269
Oh look, it's the D*sney shill, taking some time off from astroturfing /co/ and /tv/, or maybe on break from damage controlling the dumpster fire that is MvCI on /v/. How's the shilling career treating you?

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>>55049428

>He is completely clueless

>>55051362
Take your meds lad

Whatever, fags. I'm screen capping this thread, and 2 years from now, you will see I am right.

>killing GW
Yeah, biggest miniature company, that makes some of the best miniatures, with a line so popular it took a generic name and made it its own. It is only a matter of days before GW collapse, sell your minis now, they will be worthless soon.

>>55049269
>death of GW
Honestly, I hope it comes close. Why? It would force them to reevaluate how they do things or die. Will it get close? Fuck no. But we can always dream of a better tomorrow.

>>55049269
>kickstarter or not
Unless it gets a massssive retail presence after the fact, the GoT game won't be booting anyone out, even though the miniatures look great.

As for FFG, who knows. The need for terrain and lack of pre-painted is going to scare away the casuals they've accumulated through X-Wing. I don't think the miniatures look very great, but star wars fans aren't really known for their high standards.

>>55049840
>>the Halo minis game will be the 40k killer!
Did that actually get released? The hype was building and then it just disappeared.

>>55052512
>and then it just disappeared.
Because after it got released, Spartan saw a squirrel

>>55049269
Every star wars miniature game has been widely popular so far so it's a sure thing.

Oh wait...

>>55049269
We've been hearing "final nail in the coffin for GW!" for something like almost 10 years running now, and then just had their stock more than double and climb up to the highest point it has EVER BEEN after the release of 8th edition.

Good luck with that "death of GW" dream, lol.

>>55049269
t. not a troll thread

>>55049269
Actually i am sick of the big IP licenses. That includes SW, ASOIAF and Warhammer.

>>55049269
It is pretty possible that Star Wars Legion will be shit, so big miniatures and boardgame+1 rules. And will suffer the same problem as the other SW games: expansion creep with an awful way to upgrade old things.

The meme series games looks pretty cool but will end like LOTR.

The real GW killer needs "your dudes" part for the sake of the hobby

May be the same fag, may be different. But another anon argued the exact same thing about soiaf being the biggest wargame on the market in another thread.

Poor poor soul

I could see how a GoT mini game could outsell age of shitcunts, in fact it could be an interesting game with very varied armies, but 40k being overtaken by Star Wars?

In your fucking dreams mate.

I'm excited for Legion and can it see it getting popular, but it isn't going to effect 40k at all.

>>55050992
>>55051010
Or D&D attack wing.

>>55049269
this is going to be like the 4th Starwars wargame. The others didn't kill GW and neither will this.

The Kirby era of GW couldn't even kill GW and now it's risen from the ashes three times stronger with the advent of 8th ed 40k, the most popular edition in history, and there are still people who think some janky flavor of the month games are going to kill it? Holy shit the delusion.

>>55049655
>This is why xwing got so popular.
Nothing to do with the fact that it's prepainted and tied to the biggest franchise of all time, I'm sure

>>55051457
That's an interesting point, it did really well for a few years, and many say it had the superior ruleset, but even though minis are still being produced for it (or at least the Hobbit) it's not much now the films are more than a decade in the past and the Hobbits turned out awful.
Probably did a lot of good introducing potential players to 40k and fantasy though


GW's not going anywhere though

>>55052979
Lord of the rings did ridiculously well when they used to sell the magazine combo that had a whole bunch of cool shit and tips AND some models for a very good price.

>>55051190
>These games will kill 40k!
>Oh, like those other games were going to?
>N-no, nobody ever said that!!
Right. Screen-cap away, b8r.

>>55049269
>star wars legion
I've talked with a LOT of X-Wing players, and only a few of them are even remotely interested in that. They say fantasy flight games has been on a pump and dump shovelware fling for a long time, and Legion won't be any exception. They're actually rather miffed about how fantasy flight is treating them, and X-Wing is starting to lose a bit of popularity.

>Game of Thrones miniature game
Few if any normies will play it. Either too nerdy, too time consuming (minis come in coloured plastic, look like shit), or they don't care about miniatures to begin with. For most tabletop wargamers, the miniatures are okay but not all that impressive. Great stand-ins for armies in other games like Kings of War, Warhammer Fantasy Battles or Age of Skidmark, but that's about it.

>>55049269
Saw a game of Legion play.

Lots of bullshit specialty dice, specialty movement bars, and an insane amount of playing cards and tokens for me to want to go over to it.

>>55051146
Kek.
Requesting the original pic as I can't find it.

GoT will have about as much legs as a wargame as LotR did, that is to say a big boost and then nothing.

>>55049428
>normie filth

Go back to /pol/.

>>55051146
b-but Disney said the Empire are white supremacists

>>55053791
>mfw you automatically associate normie with /pol/ even though it has been an /r9k/ meme since the boards creation

Fuck off newfag.

>>55051511
0.05RMB has been deposited in your account

>>55049269

The SW minis look neat and the GoT minis look super amazing, so I'm not bothered.

>>55053919
>the GoT minis look super amazing
Really?
They're incredibly static and details are merely acceptable. Also, promo minis already having bent swords is a very bad sign, check Clegane in the background of
>>55049269

>>55052427
Nigga where you been the past 2 years? They have massively changed as a company for the better, Jesus.

>>55053997
C U R V E D S W O R D S

>>55049269
And once GW dies, a good company can buy the rights to WH and WH40K and create actually good games with them. Everyone wins!

>>55049655
>People are fed up with shit rules, and are willing to move on to superior rule sets.
Objectively untrue, 5e and 3.PF are still a major thing.

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>1 YR RETURN 266.24%

This is all based on the increases in sales before 8th hit the shelves. You cry your salty tears, I'll be over here in my big pile of money. In fact, I think I might go and buy some more shares so I can reap all the rewards when OP's prediction proves false.

>>55053796
What?

The first character you meet from New Order is Finn, a black dude

>>55054553
Disney wouldn't lie about that

>>55054053
>implying

The rights will get bought up by some big company who will sit on them for decades before releasing an animated series only tangetially related which will still be better than the original fluff

>>55054564
I guess Finn could be a black white supremacist, I learnt me about Tyrone Biggums from Chapelle

>>55053796
>when you want to create a race war so hard you ignore your own movies, books, shows etc
Hope Disney explodes, fucking kikes

>>55054613
Anon learn your redpill 101. The Jews don't want the race war, they want to perpetuate miscegination and culture mixing while dogmatically enforcing ethno-religious-centrisim in Israel to erode the western world until it's nothing but a sock puppet for them.

Y'know, tongue in cheek, the fantasy setting /pol/ has constructed for itself might be fun to roleplay in

>>55049269
Legion will easily destroy 40k

>>55053796
>Opposed by a multicultural group led by brave women

direct quote of a star wars movie writer

>>55055007
>>55053796
you could, I suppose, LIKEN the Empire to white supremacists, in that they play favorites to the human race and generally suppress and look down upon non humans. And the major leaders of the rebellion did tend to be women

Will Legion have the same miniature quality as Runewars or Imperial Assault?

Because if it does, I don't see it drawing the hobbyists away from other wargames.

>>55049269
top kek

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>>55051362
Oh look, it's one of the small ARMY of GW shills who infest this site, taking some time off from Shitposting 40k memes on other boards, or maybe on break from damage controlling the toilet fire that is Age of Smegmar. How's the shilling career treating you?

>>55055100

>5 cents has been deposited into your account

>>55050535
This is so close to the truth its not even funny.
>>55049269
Listen, if these came prepainted, than sure there would me more interest. However, most people don't want to paint their shit. X Wing is fun because its a "drop in-get out game". These clearly another time to invest in the hobby, and while I think Legion is probably gonna get players, CMON GoT has two things going against it:
1- its GoT, a series that as much it has "armies" they are not really as important to the setting like most people say, in fact, if the Unsullied was part of these I think more people would be interested because they show up far more (with Greyworm being their captain).

2-GoT is getting its final season soon, and the interest of the setting might die after it. George is not finishing the series. Most people accepted that.

3-Apparently it has rules too close to fantasy, and dude, seriously as much as I liked fantasy, that game was a mess and annoying to play. All the movement in trays wasnt as stategic as people wanted, it was far more a hindrance.

>>55049269
First of all - Legion is crap game in the mechanics department. It is unnecesary complicated by rulest that dont add depth or anything. GoT will reach its final season and hype will end - there will be another show and people will forget.

Sadly for poorfags like you GW is doing everything right this time.

Lol, two more DOA games from FFG and CMON.

>>55055137
SW doesn't have real armies either. All the battles in the movies were either space sbattles or skirmishes. Even Oth (or how it is written) in the second movie was basically flyers Vs walkers.

>>55049269
>death of GW
>overpriced kits and terrible rules will be replaced
>the wargaming world will be better off.

>LouisCKSomethingNice.jpg

>>55049269
>You guys do realize this will be the death of GW right?
Nope, GW still pretty big and GoT are kickstarter project, but I could see how these games hunt 40k down to GW owns stores.
Also, GoT starter totally beats any GW starter box.
>>55049655
>40kfan
>whinning about normies
>>55052784
>but 40k being overtaken by Star Wars?
Outside GW-stores? Easily.

>>55055164
>Lol, two more DOA games from FFG and CMON.
Like X-wing?

>>55055153
>GoT will reach its final season
In 2018/19
>GW is doing everything right this time.
By doing the same?

>>55053796
You know, the Confederate South literally used black soldiers in their armies, right?

Allowing a class of people to serve as your meatgrinder grunt unit isn't exactly airtight proof that you respect them highly as human beings.

>>55055663
>meatgrinder grunt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kae-JjbLsgA&t

>>55055712
>post a vid of a white shadow stormtrooper, an elite unit that are literally called special forces in the vid, to prove that Finn, a member of the First Order stormtroopers that were the basic infantry of the empire, was not a meatgrinder grunt
Want to try that again?

>>55055761
>White
>shitskin
>white

>>55049269
GoT and SW:L will be lucky to carve their own niche, not to mention survive. As much as I'd like GW to have healthy competition, I don't think it will come from either of these two

>>55053796
>b-but Disney said the Empire are white supremacists
Lead storm trooper is a woman. The Starkiller gunner is a black woman. Snoke is Armenian. The leader of the new order military is a ginger.

>>55055761
>white

Fucking Americans, Indians are not white. Also she's part of "Inferno Squad", a new OC SF unit for Battlefront.

>>55055784
>GoT and SW:L will be lucky to carve their own niche,
GoT will take niche of fantasy-historical wargames, Legions will try skirmish niche if FFG will be smart.

Who the fuck let /pol/ out of their cage?

I swear to god that quests were better than this shit.

>>55055773
>>55055788
I guess by that logic Darth Vader isn't white either lol.

>>55055818
Eh, shills just know that the con-lib divide is good bait.

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Who is "team Lannisters" here?

>>55055815
>fantasy-historical
What on earth does that mean? Low magic?

>>55055818
>Who the fuck let /pol/ out of their cage?
It isn't /pol/, it's just trolls who have figured out the easiest way to de-rail a thread is to race bait.

>>55055859
Team "Wait for house baratheon" here.

>>55055867
>What on earth does that mean? Low magic?
Both.

>>55049269
Yeah, sure, let's replace an original interesting setting with two blatant cash-grabbers based on overrated TV shows and movies based on overrated books which will be forgotten once those shows/movies end just like it happened with LotR.

>>55055859
Only for Jaime, my friend.

>>55055918
>nu-GW
>original interesting setting

>>55055941
>nu-
Fuck off.

>>55055844
Shitty bait.

>>55055918
>warhammer
>original interesting setting

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>>55053796
>>55054613
>>55055007

Star Wars creator George Lucas sought to make the Galactic Empire aesthetically and thematically similar to Nazi Germany and to appear to be fascist.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Empire_(Star_Wars)#Themes

>>55052708
Warhammer isn't a liscensed game
Also, game of thrones will cease being relevant within the next few years

Game of Thrones won't be a good tabletop game or RTS for that matter. It's not about the battles, the armies are all fairly similar to each other. It's about the characters/politics.

>>55055164
he says while x-wing is beating 40k

>>55056282

>inb4 chart based on surveys of a handful of US stores

>>55049269
Legion seems to sit in an awkward position between normie games like x-wing and serious business miniatures wargames. I honestly don't expect it to turn out to be exceptionally popular, I'm sure it'll see a decent amount of play at clubs though.

The GT game I couldn't even hope to predict, AoS is kind of dead, even in a lot of GW stores, the barely coherent state of the initial release didn't help it and 8th edition 40k has basically sidelined AoS in GW stores. The Kickstarter page for asoiaf also indicates that they're coming out with a pretty decent range of armies for that product, so it might do pretty well.

My only concern for asoiaf is that it might not be fantasy enough.

>>55055963
Hey, if you're going to declare the race of the trooper character based who does her voice, it applies.

>>55056282
Holy shit, do you seriously believe this?

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>>55055948
>Fuck off.
Nice argument

>>55056137
>the armies are all fairly similar to each other.
So just like GW games

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>>55057281
As nice as yours.

>>55057393
>settings about Sigmarines and Sigmarines in Space vs CSM and daemons
>interesting

>>55057407
Again, nice opinion.

>>55049840
/thread.

GW may be stewing shit, but there's a lot of flies out there who love it. Unless there is some enormous, drastic change in tastes, GW will remain the Evil Empire of the tabletop. Just as Blizzard is to MMOs

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>>55049826
>he feels the need to take time out of his schedule to defend normies on 4chan

>>55057419
Nice shitposting
>>55057455
>Just as Blizzard is to MMOs
Except Blizzard is also killed MMORPG, while tabletop games industry are keep growing

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>>55049655
Yeah, just like when Privateer Press was supposed to beat out GW for all time.

We've all heard this one before.

>>55057779
>was supposed to beat out GW
Lolwut? PP always were counter-GW.

>>55056008
>Fascism is the same as National Socialism and racialism
HOO BOY

>>55057790
And then PP released Mk. 3 and nobody heard from them every again

>>55057830
>nobody heard from them every again
>nobody
Orly?
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/38061/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-spring-2017

>>55057522
Why would you have to take time out of your schedule if you were already posting on 4chan (free) to see the attack on normies?

>>55057830
It's still only behind 40K as far as games that have unpainted miniatures goes. You act like the game got worse, when it is probably in the best state that it has ever been in.

>>55051190
Spartan Games has died today literally

>>55056383
>40k is serious business war gaming
Ultrakek

>>55057870
Source?

>>55056383
I love GoT but the mini game will definitely flop.

>>55049269
The LotR games were popular while the films were big, the books are still far bigger than game of pleb trash ever will be and will remain so as long as there are books, but it doesn't translate into mini sales. The hype for any tie in game will die soon after the show ends.
Star Wars is another story though but increasing the number of people playing tabletop games isn't going to be bad for any company that produces them.

>>55049655
>The writing's on the walls for games like aos and 40k
You should maybe look at the stock price and sales figures then you fucking idiot, or consider that this board might as well be called /40k/ now or that you're so salty that you had to make a thread with your long outdated predictions. GW is to wargames what Rome was to civilisation, it might not last forever but the thing that brings it down will destroy all it's far smaller competitors at the same time.

>>55049840
Exactly, and don't forget the best example Privateer Press. Ten years ago it was quite easy to believe GW was done and PP as taking over, and now they've sunk into irrelevance through pure undiluted incompetence. As long as GW maintains their old fashioned structure they will literally never be able to fuck up so badly and that's the only thing that would destroy them as long as wargames are played.

>>55058296
>GW
>old fashioned structure
Please elaborate.

>>55058296
>Ten years ago it was quite easy to believe GW was done and PP as taking over
No it wasn't, only retarded warmahordes shills ever believed this.

GW was doing bad but it was still dominating the market by an untouchable margin.

X-Wing was the first thing to actually shake GW and even that has only made them stronger since they started getting their shit together for 8th.

>>55058082
They published some bullshit, there's a thread here now, just search "spartan"

>>55049269
>surely this shall end GW's dominance.
Top kek, not like that hasn't been claimed before.

>>55058238
>GW is to wargames what Rome was to civilisation,
Nope, GW is germanic refugees, who ruined patrician hobby of noble gentlemens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEC7dsFlvIE
>>55058361
>started getting their shit together for 8th.
top kek

>>55058455
>>started getting their shit together for 8th.
>top kek
>266% stock increase, all time highest in GW 30 year history
What rock are you living under, lol

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>>55058455
>top kek
>implying he's wrong

>>55058491
>>266% stock increase,
So how it reflects their product quality?
There is a lot of ways to increase stocks, especially if you are hiring third-worlders.

>>55058518
>So how it reflects their product quality?
Nice dodge and goalpost moving.

The point of the thread is retards thinking GW is going to die, when it is now reaching the apex of its power.

Furthermore the actual quarterly report breakdown showed that most of the increase came from sales. It has nothing to do with "hiring third-worlders". 8th edition is explosively popular despite the vocal minority of salty bitching grognards you see on this board, and even those faggots are drowned out by the people who like the changes.

>>55049269
Legion has shit plastic and mini quality though, just like runewars and imperial assault. That fact, plus the fact that the rules aren't great, means that it's very unlikely to do well with actual dedicated wargamers.
The fact that the minis are unassembled and unpainted is going to turn away a lot of normalfags.
But your a FFG fanboy, so you'll just blindly deny that, even though there's at least 4 other star wars wargames and none have dethroned 40k. Not even close for that matter. (No, X-wing is not a wargame)
Just give up trying to "kill GW" it's not gonna happen. Come play the superior infinty instead wasting your time discussing FFG or GW trash

>>55058577
>when it is now reaching the apex of its power.
And still cannot outsell X-wing outside GW-stores.
>Furthermore the actual quarterly report breakdown showed that most of the increase came from sales.
Well of course, they've hitted a bottom for a last 4-5 years.
>drowned out by the people who like the changes.
And here is the problem, GW cannot compete with SW IP for kids money.

>>55058604
>Come play the superior infinty instead wasting your time discussing FFG or GW trash
You were so close to making a good post and then you shilled the painfully generic weeaboo game.

>>55058618
>And still cannot outsell X-wing outside GW-stores.
Objectively false, do you base all your arguments on a single piece of data from over a year ago that only applied to a sample of stores in one country? X-Wing never overtook GW globally and it long since dropped below it again even in the US.

>>55058518
GW has had a massive increas in sales since the launch of 8th, and that was on top of the rise in sales they saw prior to that (sales were up 21% on a CCB for the 2016-2017 finical year).
That, plus the fact that GW's stock, revenue and most every single measure of success you can have for a company keeps rising means that you'd have to be delusional to think that GW is going to be killed by anyone.

>>55058621
Eh, just wanted to make clear I'm not a GW-fanboy, I left a longtime ago. It's not for everyone, but FFGfags are so retarded with their obsession with GW that if you don't make sure they know you don't suck GW cock then you're automatically a shill according to them.

>>55058650
>Objectively false,
here we go again
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/38061/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-spring-2017
>>55058655
>you'd have to be delusional to think that GW is going to be killed by anyone.
Anyone who hits the GW target audience hard enough will kill them. After DoW III failed to attract a lot of new people, only GW-sotres network are carrying promotion of GW brands

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>>55051362
>Implying he isn't so pathetic that he does it for free

>>55058720
>here we go again
>https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/38061/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-spring-2017
Those are only sales from independent retailers. Most people buy GW from online, you retard.

>Anyone who hits the GW target audience hard enough will kill them.
8th edition brought back the majority of people who had left for other games. There are people who haven't played since 5th ed who rushed back.

>>55058770
>Those are only sales from independent retailers.
Yep, the place where GW products forced to compete with the others.
>8th edition brought back the majority of people who had left for other games.
[citation needed]

>>55058765
So in your picture, the idea is you're supposed to find it empowering to get sheeped into drinking nutcase jizz and liking it?

>>55058618
>And here is the problem, GW cannot compete with SW IP for kids money.
You're retarded if you think fucking X-wing, a casual pre-painted non assembly required starship game at all competes with 40k's audience. Normalfags made it successful, because it's simple and easy to pick up. Legions won't be like that, because it's not. It requires assembly and painting, which most people don't have time for or interest in, and frankly as far as legion's minis go (which is one of the things that actual wargamers are interested in) they're really fucking shitty. Most anyother wargame, including 40k, offers better minis, paints, brushes, etc. compared to legions. So you're not getting the hobbyist aspect.
Then you have the rules. The rules aren't good. At all. You can argue about their quality compared to 40k, but almost any non-40k wargame has them beat. So rulesfags aren't going to be that interested.
Next you have support and accessibility. Tournaments, how easy it is to find other players, etc. GW is the king in this regard, legions won't beat them on that.
So finnaly you have IP. This is certainly not un-important, but other star wars wargames already exist. None of them have done very well. This shows that the IP isn't nearly as big a draw as you think.
It'll be moderately successful, but it's not going ti kill 40k.

>>55058720
>After DoW III failed to attract a lot of new people, only GW-sotres network are carrying promotion of GW brands
Is that why both of my FLGS's have a giant primaris space marine cardboard cutout standing right when you walk in the door, with shelves full of new merch that keep getting sold out? I've never even been to an official GW store.

>>55058808
It's called a joke anon. Do you have aspergers?

>>55058802
>Yep, the place where GW products forced to compete with the others.
Are you actually retarded? The competition doesn't only happen in the localized area where the products are on the shelves next to each other. If someone has money and can choose to spend it on GW product online, or in a GW store, or go somewhere that sells GW product and other product and buy something there, and they do one of the first two, then GW is beating the competition. Period.

>>55058720
>Anyone who hits the GW target audience hard enough will kill them.
But this isn't hitting the target audience.
See
>>55058815

You're really only hitting people who really like star wars, don't care about lack luster rules, aren't big hobbyists but are still willing to assemble and paint minis. That's a very very very niche audience.

>>55058815
>Normalfags made it successful,
Right, just like they've made 40k total hegemon of industry after DoW.
>Most anyother wargame, including 40k, offers better minis, paints, brushes, etc
And that's why GW need more and more kids, which will be stolen by Star Wars popularity.
>The rules aren't good.
So as 40k.
>GW is the king in this regard,
Yes, as I've said the GW stores are the only bastion of GW dominance.
>but other star wars wargames already exist.
IA is sort of mix between board game and wargame.

>>55058802
>compete
If I buy coke online instead of in a store, its still a sale for coke and not pepsi. They competed for my money and I gave it to coke.

You can argue that if my online model is so superior that coke sales in stores fall enough, then stores will not stock me and I lose a marketing vector - but I also don't have to pay for those expensive SKUs and the plupart of my sales aren't there anyway. Honestly it will probably still be in the store's interest to stock coke, but at amounts low enough that my rent is cheap while still cultivating those eyeballs.

>>55058518
Most GW shit is made in the UK.

>>55058823
Either I'm not in the target demographic or it's just not that funny.

I was hoping you could resuscitate the poor thing.

>>55058882
Right, that's why I've said third-worlders, cheap workers.

>>55058873
>Right, just like they've made 40k total hegemon of industry after DoW.
Literally what, GW was ruling the industry since long before that game. It was a blip on the radar.
>And that's why GW need more and more kids, which will be stolen by Star Wars popularity.
Kids old enough to wargame don't give a shit about SW, SW makes money because it sells department store toys and games to 6 year olds and sells collectible shit to old neckbeards who jerk off to the original trilogy.

>Yes, as I've said the GW stores are the only bastion of GW dominance.
Again false, I've never seen an indie retailer who wasn't dominated by some combination of GW and/or MTG, even after X-Wing, even when GW was doing poorly, and it just blew up again.

>>55058873
>Right, just like they've made 40k total hegemon of industry after DoW
40k was the king of wargames long before DoW, retard.
>And that's why GW need more and more kids, which will be stolen by Star Wars popularity.
>legion having shit minis compared to anyone else is why GW needs more kids
Are you retarded?
>So as 40k.
Legion isn't just competing with 40k though.
>Yes, as I've said the GW stores are the only bastion of GW dominance.
But that's wrong. 40k's tournament scene outclasses almost every other wargame, and for Christ sake they're the number one war game even amongst 3rd parties because X-WING IS NOT A WARGAME.
>IA is sort of mix between board game and wargame.
Same with legion. It's practically X-wing but with people.

>>55058914
>GW was ruling the industry since long before that game.
Yeah, because of LoTR who was GW most popular game in 00's before DoW.
>Kids old enough to wargame don't give a shit about SW
>8 yo kids don't give a shit about SW
Also, all categories gives a shit about SW, that's why it's most popular fiction franchise on Earth.
>Again false, I've never seen an indie retailer who wasn't dominated by some combination of GW and/or MTG,
anecdotal evidence

40k is like DC comics, will always be around and always have an active community despite people proclaiming it's end any day now.

>>55058944
>Yeah, because of LoTR who was GW most popular game in 00's before DoW.
I'm starting to believe you're a troll just seeing how much inane shit you can get away with posting before people catch on. Holy shit you don't actually believe this, right?

>>55057857
>Based on interviews
>no data of any kind
Well if we're pulling conjecture out of our assessment now...

>>55058802
>Yep, the place where GW products forced to compete with the others.
Every single avenue of sales is GW competing retard. People choosing to buy from GW online instead of X-wing or another game, or choosing to go to a GW store over any other store that sells other wargames are litterally no different than buying GW from a 3rd party. People are aware of alternatives, but still choose to go with GW over the competition. Absolutely nobody but you would think that you are only competing when the 2 products are in the same building.

>>55058945
40k is more like the Marvel considering it sells way more than the competitors.

Unless I'm just clueless about the comic book industry and that's incorrect.

can we stop with the stupidity? star wars has had at least 6 or 7 mini games over the past 15 years or so. all have ended up as a footnote. this will be no different.

>>55058944
>Yeah, because of LoTR who was GW most popular game in 00's before DoW.
You mean in the three year between LotR SBG release and DoW release? What about the decades before that when 40k was number one?

>>55058924
>40k was the king of wargames long before DoW, retard.
>source: my ass
>40k's tournament scene outclasses almost every other wargame
And thanks to GW policy by replacing fan-made events by officials now it's totally depends on local GW stores.
>Same with legion. It's practically X-wing but with people.
So this will attract people:
- Who loves SW
- Who wants to try tabletop wargames, but don't like 40k aesthetic and don't enjoy historical games and minis
- people who just enjoyed the last star wars movie and want to collect and paint some miniatures.

>>55058956
>Holy shit you don't actually believe this, right?
You can google it.
>>55058994
>What about the decades before that when 40k was number one?
Got a source?

>>55058944
>anecdotal evidence
So is yours. You're just claiming GW isn't popular in indie stores without any evidence. I've been frequenting hobby stores for over two decades, never an official Games Workshop™ store, only local independent guys. 9/10 of them are dominated by 40k.

>>55058997
>And thanks to GW policy by replacing fan-made events by officials now it's totally depends on local GW stores.
Literally what. This never happened you retard. The ITC is the strongest this year it's ever been, it just had a major event complete, there's also the NOVA circuit and whatever that big EU one was. Why do you say stupid shit when you don't even have any idea what you're talking about?

>>55059020
>without any evidence.
>results of interviews of all US indies
>not evedience

>>55058997
>- people who just enjoyed the last star wars movie and want to collect and paint some miniatures.
At my store those people play 40k and have no plans to stop.

>>55058997
>>source: my ass
Ok, so you're a troll. 40k has been around since 1987 retarded, and for most of the time before DoW it was the only major wargame.
>And thanks to GW policy by replacing fan-made events by officials now it's totally depends on local GW stores.
That's objectively untrue. The BAO, the LAO, adepticon, the entire rest of the ITC or ETC circuits are all fan-made and run events that GW actually visits now, and are all much larger than any official GW event.
>So this will attract people:
>- Who loves SW
>- Who wants to try tabletop wargames, but don't like 40k aesthetic and don't enjoy historical games and minis
>- people who just enjoyed the last star wars movie and want to collect and paint some miniatures.
VERY FEW PEOPLE FIT THAT DESCRIPTION RETARD. Most normal fags don't like painting and assembling, it's why wargames in general are so niche. And there are many many many other non-40k and historical wargames, most of which have much better costs, minis and rules than legion.

>>55059040
stop giving the cockmongler replies, for fucks sake.

>>55059040
>Literally what.
Tournaments in UK and US, all mjor events now runed by GW, instead of local communities

>>55059050
>he thinks they actually interviewed all the stores
>he thinks the sales in the store determine popularity
You realize most people buy GW shit online, then take that stuff into the local stores to play? And even with X-Wing having more sales 40k is still the #2, despite most of its sales happening separately?

>>55059055
>40k has been around since 1987 retarded, and for most of the time before DoW it was the only major wargame.
Still no source.
>VERY FEW PEOPLE FIT THAT DESCRIPTION RETARD. Most normal fags don't like painting and assembling,
>he says it while GW aiming for normies and kids, because it's the only audience which will buy the whole line of GW products.

>>55059068
LOL okay, tell that to the FLG guys.

You are actually completely unaware of what the tourney scene is like, aren't you? They were never run by "local communities", they're massive events with hundreds of people that are hosted in huge venues in Vegas and California where people fly out from all over the continent for a weekend, and those are increasing in size and selling out faster with every new event.

>>55059095
>They were never run by "local communities", they're massive events with hundreds of people that are hosted in huge venues in Vegas and California where people fly out from all over the continent for a weekend, and those are increasing in size and selling out faster with every new event.
Yep and now GW are in charge of all major events.

>>55059107
Except they aren't, and even if they were that wouldn't change anything because these events aren't hosted in tiny local stores and never were, they're fucking massive.

Look as much as I'd love GW to get taken down a peg, its not gonna because another game comes along.
GW's market strategy is when things get tough for them they up the prices of there models knowing that there diehard fan base will still pay for them. This gives them enough time to reevaluate there business strategy to think of a way for them to get in new customers (note the prices still remain the same.)
Should either of these games become successful chances are GW would begin to drop there prices to a more affordable rate for them to compete and with 40k being such a recognizable brand they will attract new customers like that.
Unfortunately the only way GW is going to die is if someone beats them in court on there clearly inflated plastic army men and anti consumer business practices. Which isn't going to happen anytime soon.

>>55059107
>>>/x/

>>55059107
provide your source. a direct link outright stating this.

>>55059121
Even that won't take them down.

The only thing that will kill GW is when miniature wargaming dies completely, and that won't happen for at least another decade or two at the EARLIEST if we suddenly have an explosion in cheap, consumer friendly VR tech, and that's assuming GW doesn't jump on the bandwagon for said tech if it starts showing promise.

Anything that could kill GW will kill the weaker competition much faster.

>>55058970
DC has BTFO marvel these days in sales, marvel comics are in pretty bad shape. They fired all the old writers, got rid of all the iconic heroes, and it's just SJW/diveristy stuff now.

>>55058988
Do you have any idea how much Disney dwarfs Lucasarts? How much of another level their resources and business complex are on? This is faintly like like WotC acquiring D&D in 1997.

>>55059117
>they're fucking massive.
Yes, but they've always organised by local communitis in these areas

>>55059177
They still are. The guys who organize those events just happen to be official external playtesters for GW now.

So I guess in the most technical sense you might say GW "runs those events" now, but it's still the same guys it always was, they just get paid by GW to fix their game now. And so far they're succeeding.

>>55059172
and? it doesn't matter if it's disney or not. in fact it makes it worse. disney is a lot more likely to yank the licence for little to no reason.

>>55059171
Well the Marvel sales tanking due to SJW pandering is an overall win for the industry at least.

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>this will kill gw :DDDDD

who remembers warmachine?

>>55059172
Except Disney isn't producing these games, they just sold the licensing rights to FFG. FFG is a good company too, don't get me wrong, but they aren't going to take down the giant that is GW.

>>55059214
>now, but it's still the same guys it always was
Except now they cannot do without GW approval.
>And so far they're succeeding.
Better than dead doesn't mean healthy by default,

>>55059250
>but they aren't going to take down the giant that is GW.
Asmodee-FFG larger than GW

No bully pls but what are the expected lines of models even going to be for the starwars game?

Original trilogy/ clone wars stuff / new trilogy? There's nothing stopping interplay between those era's rules wise but that's still functionally just two factions with maybe a dozen units each that most people would recognize. If they break into the spin off stuff for variety will rules actually make enough people care about a Hutt Army or are they banking on people buying 100 different kinds of Storm Troopers the way a bunch of Marine variants carry 40k?

How does the non movie stuff do in Xwing, are the rules enough to get younger kids to give a fuck about the Moldy Crow or Dash Rendar's Outrider?

>>55059256
>Except now they cannot do without GW approval.
Considering the events keep growing and drawing more people, I don't think GW cares to intervene. That need for "GW approval" has done literally 0 to hinder the tournament scene, quite the opposite. Unofficially it's more like GW takes their cues from the playtesters approval.

>Better than dead doesn't mean healthy by default
GW was never really close to dead, that was a meme, and now they're at an all time high net worth. How the fuck is more than tripling their stock not "healthy"?

>>55059269
Post proofs retard

Knowing Disney, this game won't have any prequel stuff and force shitty TFA shit down our throats

>>55055100
>not liking Disney makes you a shill for a direct competitor

Do people really think shilling is that prolific on this site?

>>55059299
>Considering the events keep growing and drawing more people,
Of course, since GW finished refocusing from geeks and nerds to casuals.
>That need for "GW approval" has done literally 0 to hinder the tournament scene,
Except it turned tounament scene into marketing.
>GW was never really close to dead
I was talked about 8th edition quality.

>>55059309
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/01/games-workshop-vs-asmodee-tale-2-companies.html

>>55049269
The guy in front with the 2 axes is a GW mini? Looks a bit too good to be one of theirs.

>>55059346
That's from January of 2015 you fucking retard

What part of "GWs stock more than tripled in the past two months alone" do you not understand??

>>55059250
You honestly think FFG can avoid piggybacking on of Disney's superior IP positioning, marketing, and penetration with their release? They couldn't help it even if they literally tried.

>>55050535
When will they learn, you have to let the top dog kill itself, not fight against it. Kind of like halo and wow.

>>55049269
Star Wars simply doesn't have enough factions to compete with 40K as well as people assume it will. Don't get me wrong, it will do well, very well, probably sell out many times early on. But Once you have your stormtroopers and your rebels, what then? A few bounty hunters and mercs here, a small squad of mandalorians or wookies? You can have clone troopers and Separatists, but prequel era will have less demand because the movies are hated and Disney is probably never going back to that time period. Things will get less and less interests the further removed they are from the original or current movies.

40K sold BIGGER SPACE MARINES and people ate it up. That's the power of GW.

>>55055881
This. No buy until they put out Stan the Man.

>>55057863
because I don't actually think any normie browses 4chan. If that's the case then I have fucking nothing to talk with you.

>>55059334
>Of course, since GW finished refocusing from geeks and nerds to casuals.
In your opinion. There are plenty of people who would argue that this edition is better for competive play than previous ones, including many of the top 40k players.
>Except it turned tounament scene into marketing.
Besides GW showing up at some events, not really. Playing the game alone could technically be considered marketing.
>I was talked about 8th edition quality.
You're a retard if you think 8th isn't a million times better than previous editions. And even if you do, that's still your opinion, and plenty if people will disagree and say 8th is better. So it comes down to objective data, such as stocks, company growth, sales growth, etc. all of which point to GW thriving.

>>55059974
If what's the case? Make some fucking sense, child.

>its another im still salty about WHFB episode

Always a treat

>>55060041
I love that, realistically, if something "killed" AoS, that would merely be making it as unprofitable as WHFB was near the end.

>>55059978
tournament players are 10% of the market or less it has alwyas been that way.

>>55060080
So then why bitch about making the game more casual if the majority of the market is casuals retard?
Also, proofs.

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>>55059392
GW did great this past year. Revenue grew by 33% year over year through May according to their just released financial report. So 158 million pounds. And that doesn't even include sales of 8th which appears to be selling like crazy. That said, Asmodee is still way bigger. They're now over 330 euro in revenue. A big part of this is a difference in how the companies operate, Asmodee has aquired a lot of companies to fuel its growth in part. GW does not do this, any growth is purely within the existing brand. Still Asmodee IS big and their reach and production muscle is not an issue.

That said, the idea that this is going to kill GW, particularly with the huge amount of buzz and goodwill GW has managed to garner of the past year or so seems unlikely. GW is the healthiest it's been in a long time and well positioned to compete. Looking at the Legion starter compared to Dark Imperium, FFG certainly seems to still be a several steps behind in model quality. I expect it will do reason well for them though. As for the CMON GoT game? Not a chance. Unlike FFG that one smells just like all the other "GW killers" to that have come and gone without a trace over the years.

>>55049269
Licensed games will never drop GW because their makers can't afford to keep paying the license for decades.
GW will eventually fall to GW's incompetence, nothing else.

>>55049269
I hope, but I highly doubt FFG has the ability to market itself properly, or at all.

>>55060226
Asmodee also does a lot of things, miniatures are just a small part of its business. It make sense for it to be bigger.

>>55053534
Don't forget your three different types of FFG brand custom size sleeves.

>>55059334
>Casuals
Change your metric.
Casuals/normies don't touch this shit.

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>>55053796
They are human supremacists, and rightly so.

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>>55053791
>normie
>go back to /pol/

>>55060226
>That said, Asmodee is still way bigger. They're now over 330 euro in revenue. A big part of this is a difference in how the companies operate, Asmodee has aquired a lot of companies to fuel its growth in part.
Not disagreeing, but source?
Also, asmodee is not just a minature company, so it makes sense for them to be bigger. An important question about that though is how much they could dedicate to minis, and would it be enough to outdo GW? Looking at the minis they're subsidiaries like FFG put out, I'd say they either don't care much about it or their current model doesn't really give them room ti try and compete with GW or other dedicated minatures companies.

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>>55049269
>he thinks these games won't just end up as glorified conversion kits for 40k and AoS
>just like every other table top wargame that tries to compete

>>55060287
You're absolutely correct. So it's not really accurate to say Asmodee is a bigger "minatures" company. That said they're big enough that size is mostly immaterial for the discussion. They're big enough. Unlike so many other "competitors" they aren't going to have to put out a Kickstarter to get Legion out the door.

>>55060341
>source
Their investor website:
https://www.eurazeo.com/en/societe/asmodee/

>>55053534
This. So much this.
It requires way too much shit to be useful. Specialty dice, decks of cards, fucking movement shit (and fuck off with thst non-sense, it makes fuck all sense in a wargame. Just give my men a god damn movement stat and let me move them as I see fit) and so on? That's just not worth the investment, compared to just minis and a book I can pirate or get for free from most other sources.

Also, it really doesn't feel like a very good wargame. It's more like X-wing but in the ground, and that's nit very enjoyable or what I want from a wargame

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Does anyone play West End's Star Wars miniatures anymore? How about WOTC Star Wars minis? I suspect not.

>>55060393
Neat, thanks. It seems like a large part of their growth is from card games. That makes me wonder if they'd have any incentive to really put much cash in miniatures, when card games are cheaper to produce and more profitable.

>>55060403
Interesting that this comes right as 40k abandoned the last of it's specialty tools. No scatter die, no templates. Just a tape measure and a pile of standard issue d6.

Boardgames+1 trying to be Wargames are a cancer

>>55060469
Yeah, I'm not sure what FFG is thinking. The ladt thing people want is more shit that only useful for one thing, since it raises the bar of entry even higher

>>55060567
Where is the line?

>>55060632
Yes, because GW is well known for their low entry cost games. Pull the other one.

>>55060633
When this >>55060403 and when a unit "box" is actually an expansion with rules updates and shit., you are pretty much playing a collectible card game with miniatures.

I am not saying that things like templates, or units cards are something bad, they are good and useful when you use them to remember stats, rules and stuff like that. They aren't a must.

>>55058765
I hope to find "His smile and optimism.... Gone" edit soon

>>55060711
When did I say that. Nice try FFGfag, but just because someone says FFG is doing something stupid doesn't mean they're defending GW.

>>55060711
know no fear is 80$ and has a similar amount of minis as legion which is 90$

>>55049269
It wont, but Im looking forward for my GoT kickstar goodies

>>55058765
Horus was my middle school gym teacher.

>>55055859
Me, but kinda waiting for Greyjoys and Baratheons too.

That game is gonna cost me so much money..

>>55049848
Star Wars could work as a 40k style game but not GoT.

>>55060009
That's the answer I was expecting. Never reply to me again n-word (normie)

>>55060327
if that's the case then why do they have nigger officers?

>>55062595
You seriously take 3 hours to respond to something as basic as that?

>>55062429
Yeah I immediadly made my own Version of Greyjoy about a day after the kickstarter ended.
But sadly my hype can't survive it as I haven't even finished it

>>55058895
good one buddy! good one! tell us again about how across the board success means GW will die to a shitty star wars effort.

>>55062696
Post progress.

>>55062660
Are you retarded do you think I spend the whole fucking day on this thread to monitor who replies to my posts? Guess I'm more normie than you huh?

How many times have you tried to force this?

X-Wings is popular because it doesn't require any painting or modelling. Have you see the quality of the Star Wars models? Just like Lord of the Rings killed 40k and shit, right? Fuck off. If Star Wars models (and these models are so shit their literal advertisement shots have bent bits and their painting videos LITERALLY use GW paints) could have ended 40k, they would have ended it 20 years ago. As now? GW's stock price has gone up like triple in the last couple of years. In fact, GW's stock price is literally the most valuable it's been since they became a PLC in 94.

>>55063426
Down to 1 hour! That's 66% faster, amazing! Or 66% madder, whatever.

>>55063809
Sauce on the first chick?

>>55063809
I'd pay a homeless man to lick her armpits while I jerk off.

>>55049428
>GoT and SW are widely known to be so invested in their fandom to buy some shit miniatures
Franchises known for obsessive fans that can and have fueled entire toy lines in the past. It's not the worst market you could ever try honestly.

>>55064276
GoT isn't a safe market to get into that though. At least not now. Isn't the TV series going to END soon?

>>55052979
LOTR minis sold really well honestly. Even without the rule set niche collectors liked the craftmanship that went into some models. Not a whole lot unlike people buying gundam kits.

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>>55049269
If the fuck times and age of shitmar didn't kill GW then nothing fucking will at this point.

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>>55063087
Here is everything I managed to make in the time it took my train to get to my LGS.

In theory the other commanders (and Attachment) would be Victarion ; Balon; Asha); Theon or Aeron

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>>55064299
>we will never get start collecting boxes for lotr
>we will never just have the legions rules but with actually existing models and without a few missing models that already exist but they didn't add
>Azog's legion and the iron hills dwarves are already armies in the game

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>>55049269
The fact that people who keep saying stuff like this don't know that a large part of the GW fanbase is hobbyists who like the versatility of their kits for modelling and [Your Dudes] support makes me kind of wonder if they actually know anything about wargaming as a hobby or just got into the game through the pre-painted SW stuff.

We are blind to the future but hindsight is 20/20.
Time will tell more than this thread.

>>55064509
Almost certainly. The SW game will have it's niche, but it's probably not going to be stealing many players from GW, since there are already a ton of SW games that have done that
The GoT game on the other hand... I don't see this as a good investment since the TV show is ending soon and the TV show is the only thing most fans of the show care about, it'll probably be dead within a few years

>>55057868
welp, I can tell you never played mark 1 circa pre superiority. mk 3 is just the least fun I've ever had with the game

>>55064582
GoT is very GoT-centric. Everyone I've met who watches it isn't interested in anything like GoT, they just want GoT. If the show stops it's all going to go downhill for everything tied to it.

>>55065197
That being said, the game DOES have a small chance to sell well for a couple of months since the fans will likey see the models and be like "Oh shit, these look cool, I want them" but the game will die out soon after since there won't be much interest post first release. It might die within weeks if the models are unassembled and unpainted since most casual fans won't want anything to do with that

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Remember this WoW-killer?

>>55049840
The first two make so little sense I don't believe it could have been actually said. Why would a wonderful 10mm mass battle game and a poorly thought out 15mm mass battle game kill a 28mm skirmish game? Because all three are sci-fi? More confusingly, why does stapling Star Wars onto a game make it successful? I don't get it at all.

>>55065264
To answer your questions in order:
Yes, because all three are sci fi
Because stapling star wars onto shit will make it sell. That's just the way things are

>>55065197
Well, the miniatures are based on the books, not the show ( Thank god ).

Still I dont think its gonna last long, should have made it like 4 years ago when the show was good.

The miniatures look very good though.

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>>55065246
No but I remember this one!

>>55064544
Gee, wanna try stuffing some more hollow platitudes in there? I think that you could go for the world record if you apply yourself.

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>>55051362
>>55055100
>>55055117
>everyone who expresses a view that contradicts mine is paid to do so

Everyone just calm down. These games will likely do okay, especially the star wars one, because of Disney's massive existing infrastructure, but neither will overtake GW's brand recognition within the tabletop minis wargame world any time soon.

While diensy and GW have pretty deep pockets (Disney more so) I highly doubt any of them actually pay people to post on our image board for grown men who play children's games.... because if they did I would have snagged one of those jobs by now.

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>>55066135
>but neither will overtake GW's brand recognition within the tabletop minis wargame world any time soon
That's a problem, with no competition GW gives us shit like age of sigmar and $30 monopose snapfit models.

>>55066595
There is competition.

>>55066612
Some no name manufacturers of games that you're lucky if anyone nearby plays are not competition.

>>55058720
ICv2 doesn't actually prove anything, the numbers are neither accurate nor comprehensive.

>>55066659
X-Wing and Warmahordes are probably the only real competitors and it's something like 25% vs. 75%.

X-Wing shouldn't even be a real competitor as it's a different market, but a lot of 40k players quit for it/play it so there's overlap.

>>55066595
AoS is cool. It chased toxic WHFB grognards away

>>55067002
(You)

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>>55067002
>>55067124
Could we not?

>>55066756
I don't see you providing any sales data or statistics of any sort to prove your viewpoint. From what data is out there, which is as recent as earlier this year, X-Wing does seem to be doing better with independent retailers.

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>>55066831
>Warmahordes

>>55067165
A quick fap to this wouldn't turn me into a furry, I'm gonna do this.

>>55067353
You're right
it turns you into a scaly

>>55067556
>implying there's a difference

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>>55067569
>thatsthejoke.png

>>55067259
>provides incomplete and incorrect data
>WELL I DON'T SEE YOU PROVIDING ANY NUMBERS

ICv2 admits they don't count all sales data from the get go. Burden of proof is on you, YOU have to provide actual numbers and not ICv2 garbage.

>>55067259
>X-Wing does seem to be better with stores that may not even sell GW product at all, and also don't count all the stores where GW is doing well

No fucking shit. How about you take a simple look at FFG's net worth compared to GW's quarterly revenue and see that it's literally impossible for X-Wing to be more selling more than 40K/AoS.

>>55053850
>muh secret internet club

>>55049269
I mean, I think the new ASOIAF game looks baller, but even I have doubts about a game released by CoolMiniOrNot lmao

>>55053997
The promo models are resin. The final models will be plastic with weapons in a thicker plastic to avoid said issues.

>>55060080
Yeah but the rule changes are better for both competitive and casual players. Turns out both groups would prefer rules that are (mostly) clear, and facilitate quick play.

>>55060711
Not gonna lie, templates and scatter die usually end up being far more of a hassle than they're worth. Using 2-3 lines of a universal special rule that cuts down the process of checking templates and extra steps of rolling does wonders for actually playing the game. It's not brought up often, but even small points value games can take a long time. The fact that a game can take 4+ hours is a turn-off to new players, and even as a veteran one of my biggest complaints is long amounts of downtime.

>>55068092
>No fucking shit. How about you take a simple look at FFG's net worth compared to GW's quarterly revenue and see that it's literally impossible for X-Wing to be more selling more than 40K/AoS.
IIRC, GW's financial statements have said that they make approximately 20-25% of their income from FLGSs. That means, at most, that they're making 3-4 times as much money as X-Wing, since X-Wing is outselling them in their stores.

All the rest of their income is from the video game royalties.

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>>55049269
If the rules are a bit more simple it would definitely expand the market size, also hopefully it's a bit cheaper that GW prices

>>55064292
>soon
In 2019
But anyway, game aiming for pre-GoT ASOIAF fanbase, you can see it by art-design and since niche of fantasy wargames with good models and rules are free it have a chance

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>>55049655
>People are fed up with shit rules, and are willing to move on to superior rule sets.
>xwing
>superior rules

>>55071113
>All the rest of their income is from the video game royalties.
I'm pretty sure only 6 million out of 158 million came from royalties.

>>55049269
fuck
>>55064509
beat me to it

also the plastic is going to be shit FFG stuff and

>>55067002
years and you idiots still say the same thing
>it's cool because people i don't like are gone
stupid fucking reasoning now that the game has squat proxies

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>>55049840
Turns out 40k was the 40k killer all along.

>>55059978
>You're a retard if you think 8th isn't a million times better than previous editions.
Low bar. 6/7 were unplayable trash.

>>55059978
>In your opinion.
On GW boxes.
>You're a retard if you think 8th isn't a million times better than previous editions.
It's still doesn't mean that >>55059256
>Better than dead doesn't mean healthy by default,

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>>55052512
WHY DOES EVERYTHING I TOUCH DIE

>>55049269
if that was true LotR would of killed Fantasy before LotR got killed

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>>55051457
>>55052979
>>55053021
The lord of the rings game did really well because it was released before video games were a "real" thing and because it was super affordable, partially to the magazine stuff.

But after the movie hype started to dry out over time, GW responded by doubling the prices (24 dudes for 15 bucks went up to like 35 dollarinos or something), which killed it for good. They made Ring Wars or whatever it was called later, but that was a huge flop because nobody gave a shit (and because rules written by Matt Ward)

The Hobbit was 1. nowhere near as successful as LOTR, especially in the current time frame and 2. the models were horribly overpriced right from the get-go.

Would the average millennial rather spend 70 buckos on 10 plastic figurines or buy Shadow of Mordor for the PC/Xbox/Playstation?

From my personal experience, the LOTR tabletop game was a horribly broken mess. The bad factions were so much worse than the good ones and everything was tied to super high rolls on a d6 (Power 2 bow shooting Armor 9 Dwarf needed 5 to hit and 6, followed by another 6 to wound), which caused 12-20 model games to last for like 12 hours.

>>55072908
We knew that when Andy left.

>>55073037
You have some bad memory friendo, the price hike came long after war of the ring which flopped because even at that low price it was even more expensive than Warhammer fantasy.
Also good armies, especially dwarves, are memes that you have counters for in any given evil force with things like trolls, ballistas, ghosts, and not being movement 5 with no spears aside from the easily flanked and neutralized vault wardens.

>>55073105
I only remember playing Moria against my friend who played dwarves and literally every game, my trolls got insta-killed by his ballistas and my 3 to 1 number advantage was useless, because I was literally unable to kill anything without stringing sixes on every roll.

I only started winning when I move out of my faction and put shit like shadows and specters into my army.

>>55073149
That's strange, Moria is one of the strongest forces in the game.
Did you use shamen, Groblog, or prowlers?

>>55073180
I stopped playing way before most of the Ring War shit released and it's been like 10 years or something so give me a break if I get some thing wrong.

What I remember having: Durburz the Goblin King, Shamans for the spell that made my guys survive on sixes or fives (I don't remember), some leader dudes to keep moral up, drummers for the same reason, two trolls, some Prowlers and then stuffed the rest with Gobbers of every kind.

My friend played Balin with the big axe, three ballistas and filled everything else with shield wearing dwarf dudes.

I was unable to win even a single game in that configuration. The ballistas had a rule that said they one-shot everything unless it has 10 hit points or something, so they always one-shot my trolls from halfway across the table and in the model grind, I either lost every single melee fight, because superior weapon skill (aka, the good guys) always win on ties or should I be able to win, couldn't kill a damn model because they have unspeakably high armor stats. Should I actually manage to surround a dude, he would just use that shield ability that allows to roll three dice but cancels attacks should you win.

This bullshit continued for about three months, until I hired two shades from the Angmar section of the book and my friend got butthurt because he lost every melee fight from that point on and never wanted to play again.

>>55073511
I found your problem, your friend is a cheating asshole. The dwarf ballista doesn't oneshot anything, it knocks things down and back, but that's it.

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>>55053796
in this day and age, i can see what you're getting at.
but the Imperials were designed to invoke facism
and in this day and age we are beginning to see the 'dark side' of the 'good guys' who oppose the traditional bad guys
so.
to keep it on topic:
>Finn was a great character who was given shitty writing and scenes in the script
>stormtroopers are boss, white armor fuck yeah!
>i will buy SW:L and paint the fuck out of it, my dudes and all
>and likely never ever play it.

i used to love the fuck out of star wars. this game harkens back to my past. so what if my force is 'white supremacist'
i'm having fun while they stress over their hate

>>55073851
>>Finn was a great character

He was pretty shit.

>>55058518
if no one is buying your shit, you are not running a successful business, stock shows GW is once again running a successful business and people are buying their products
kill yourself

>>55075132
>40k

>>55051146
>No female troopers
Triggered!

>shit games
>killing off fantasy
>the exorbitant price for models
>invalidating a bunch of expensive books a few months after their release
>making so many things only purchaseable in their online store
That they're even still alive, let alone making even more money, speaks volumes about their consumers more than GW themselves.

>>55073910
Not that anon but I dig the concept.
Like he said he got really shittily portraid in the film but hear me out.
>Seen some shit
>Defects from the new order
>Has no interest in joining the Resistance just wants to escape the horrors of war
>Only dragged back in because he wants to save his love interest
>Even says he isn't interested in destroying star killer base just wants to get Rey and get out
But yeah the writing really took that and put the most generic spin on it.
That and Rey/Finn was a really forced romance.

Great, two franchises that are absolute garbage. Woo.

>>55075894
Oh look, Warhammer fan talking about garbage-franchises

>>55076250
Oh you Infinity guys and your obvious inferiority complex.

>>55076326
>you Infinity guys
Wrong, I am SW-fan

>>55076456
Same watered down fantasy-scifi shit setting.

>>55076473
>watered down fantasy-scifi shit setting.
>says warhammer-fan

>>55076566
Warhammer is pure undiluted fantasy-scifi though.

>>55076599
>undiluted fantasy-scifi
>Dune, Steel Rat, StarshipTroopers rip-off
>pure undiluted

>>55077067
>not knowing the meaning of diluted/undiluted
As expected of a dumb SW fan.

>>55077207
But warhams is diluted, diluted with LAMENESS.

>>55077878
Excellent retort, make sure to get your medal before leaving.

>>55049269
hahahahaa