Flames of War General: Conscript Assault Rating Edition

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you boys ready

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So NATO is getting the everloving shit kicked out of it in the online Firestorm: Red Thunder campaign. So are Soviets fixed and completely fine? I'll let you look through some of the battles yourself but some of the things that humoured me were:

>50 point battles
>Americans getting seal clubbed
>One guy beating his mate 6 times in a row
>Getting points of units completely wrong. (Guess the cards aren't helping...)
>Parking lots

>>55031904
I guess NATO players just don't know how to play.
Warsaw pact for good players ONLY

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>>55031904
it is possible the T-64 wielding WarPac guys had a plan, got fired up fast, and came down hard on the unsuspecting NATO guys, who were thinking this was a fun campaign.

meanwhile, in Warsaw:
>"YOU THINK THIS IS A MOTHERFUCKING GAME!?"

i am not presently involved, so it's not like i can just get up and rally the Germans.
If the Milan-players think they are bad-asses, then maybe they should play like bad-asses.

burning car parks or GTFO, as we say on the 'chan.

>>55033651
The WarPac guys got organized and started clubbing the poor American players at their shop before people with decent Brit or west german lists could respond. Not seeing too much of any T-64s in these batreps.

>>55033715
i was right! i have seen plenty of mass-campaigns go to the side that was better organized, the lists be damned.
so, the soviets are using T-72 and BMP to hammer the Capitalists in unison?

>>55031904
>using the simplified map

The official one has a lot more territories to fight over.

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>http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=5076
>We have a lot going on with Team Yankee this year with Red Thunder giving Soviet players a larger range of options and Stripes is doing the same for the Americans later this year (including the much anticipated M113 Scout Platoons with both the Scout and Spearhead special rules!). Stripes will feature new plastic kits including the M60 (both the A1 and A3 variants), LAV (with the -25, -AT with TOW missiles and the –M mortar carrier), the HMMWV and the UH-1 Huey (with both the Army and Marine variants).

4 new plastics? Even with no Bradley american players have no right to bitch after this.

>>55034992
>No Blackhawks
>No Bradleys

Man what's even the point without your badly made copy of the BMP and the second coolest helicopter in the world?

>>55034992
>yay, card boxes possible?
>Hammerfall is El-Alamein: 2 M1's and 3 T64
>Plastic UH1 means 101st?
>literal movie objective
>no plas.infantry to go with tanks/hueys
>NAM' pic at the bottom,
>2nd weekly briefing for AiW
>and one more thing....

i don't know how to feel
>we did need a Bradley recon platoon over a M113 scout
i should solve this with sleep and alcohol....

>>55034992
So plastic humvees confirmed, neat.

>>55034992
>m60, turret armor 250mm
>t-72, turret armor RHA 270mm (according to TY book), having FA 16.
So I expect FA value of M60 is 15.

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>>55034992
So let me get this right. The Soviets get 2 new plastics, one being essentially a delayed release for the DDR. I know the soviets are also getting plastic infantry, but we still aren't sure if they are hard plastic or the mudmen soft plastic. They part and parceled out the BRDM-2 based kits (which are expensive as hell, just buy the old glory one) so you have no ability to mix and match options.

Now the US get 4 new plastics including an LAV with 3 variants, a tank with 2 variants, a Humvee with at least 2 variants, and a helicopter with 2 variants? What the fuck?

Also it's pretty funny that Hammerfall even exists. Apparently they think the sales from people buying 5 El Al boxes will translate over to Team Yankee. Hard to believe that this is the same company that put out Open Fire.

>>55037062
CHEERS

>>55035176
literal drooling retard here, which movie is it?

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V A L U E

>>55037304
I SHOP AT HOME DEPOT.

>>55034992
But what about M1A1s? I mean it is on sprue.

>>55031713
>>55034992
>that Vietnam teaser at the bottom

Pretty hyped for "Nam.

>>55037396
VALUE IS NOT PRICE

t. economics degree

>>55037481
BF forgot that they did that. You'll need to but the NEW VALUE ADDED M1A1 BOX to get the unit cards.

>>55037520
V A L U E
A
L
U
E

>>55037510
What's left for 'Nam at this point? A Fall of the South Book?

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British Battle Tanks: British-made tanks of World War II (Osprey General Military)

Plagued by unreliable vehicles and poorly thought-out doctrine, the early years of World War II were years of struggle for Britain's tank corps. Relying on tanks built in the late 1930s, and those designed and built with limited resources in the opening years of the war, they battled valiantly against an opponent well versed in the arts of armoured warfare. This book is the second of a multi-volume history of British tanks by renowned British armour expert David Fletcher MBE. It covers the development and use of the Matilda, Crusader, and Valentine tanks that pushed back the Axis in North Africa, the much-improved Churchill that fought with distinction from North Africa to Normandy, and the excellent Cromwell tank of 1944-45. It also looks at Britain's super-heavy tank projects, the TOG1 and TOG2, and the Tortoise heavy assault tank, designed to smash through the toughest of battlefield conditions, but never put into production.

https://mega.nz/#!noNB2BhD!hMra1W9Esvp-qSOwjOUqxxal9YFm5cFFHQcav7tvdus

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>>55037207
>literal drooling retard here, which movie is it?

Stripes. A military comedy movie starring Bill Murray and Harold Ramis, who would both later go on to star in the original Ghostbusters.

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>>55037739
>Another Osprey about British tanks
Fuck yeah

>>55037644
The Easter Offensive is hands down the best part of the war in terms of FOW playability.

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>>55038041
Private Benjamin expansion when?

>>55038082
I must admit I've never seen Private Benjamin.

>>55038041
You forgot to mention that another excellent comedian of the 1980s is in it, John Candy.

Although I can see why you'd focus on Murray and Ramis.

Also, I think Ivan Reitman, the director and producer of Stripes, would eventually fill the same roles on Ghostbusters.

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>>55038265
The movie is actually kind of funny and rather sweet
I watched the tv series as a kid because I had a huge crush on Lorna Paterson
In all seriousness it is, like Stripes, an interesting snapshot of the public view of the US Army in the immediate post-Vietnam period

>>55037304
I will not buy psc product if there are bf plastic counterpart is exists.
Their tooling is awful, needs careful trimming because their parts not fits well togethe and have bad surfaces, big flash and deep mould lines. You can't even rotate turrets of psc vehicles unless you trim the pin of turret or magnetize it by cutting the pin and drilling a hole at the right size of the magnet. A work takes long times and produces many dust.
It takes 45 minutes to an hour to build a psc vehicle when BF one needs less than 15 minutes.
Also their parts break much easily while BF products are sturdy.
Psc kits do not have decals while BF plastics have decals when they needs.
Many psc kits can be built in variation but having many variations is not important to me because most of BF products have all the needed variation in their game.
I do not insist things like "We need to support the company", and will buy psc one if there is no option like t55.
But when both of psc and bf plastic kit exists I will choose BF one because it saves my time and shows me better result. It is worth than save $3 per vehicle.

>>55039191
Depends on the kit to be honest. There are certainly PSC kits that are fiddly, but the generalizations you make don't apply across every kit. I primarily buy Battlefront plastic when given the option because I like the detail that comes from the bulkier scale. Time to build and issues with kits varies from kit to kit. I can build a PSC T-34 faster than a Battlefront one,even with multi-part tracks, because Battlefront put T H I C C sprue connections right on the edges of the T-34 turret which makes them an absolute bitch to clean.

>>55036621
Yeah but the paper hull is only around 100mm at 64 degrees

>>55037062
Yeah it makes me feel really bad since it seems BF will never do something a good as Open Fire

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>>55039746
Yeah, didn't stop battlefront giving the Chieftain stupidly overrated armor.

>cue the Curb Your Enthusiasm music

>>55040044
True, fuck the Cheersmonster

>>55039811
Open Fire was a blatant copy of a Games Workshop level "half an army for both sides" starter set.

The gaming industry as a whole however seems to have moved away from that, with X-wing style "a handful of toys" starter sets and slightly larger "another core platoon or two" style army booster sets.

Games Workshop's own "Start Collecting" sets are pretty much exactly what the various Team Yankee and Mid-War 4th Edition army sets have been based on.

>>55041401
Yet GW release both kind of starters.

>>55041459
I'm just trying to get inside the heads of the guys at Battlefront, and that's the best I can come up with.

*shrug*

And Games Workshop can do practically anything because they're almost too big to fail.

>>55041401

But look at the X-wing or Armada starter in the context of the size of games you actually play. The starter gives you the basics, so you can learn the rules and get a feel for them in a scale that is smaller than the actual game, but not like orders of magnitude. Two armada or x-wing starter sets get you to the small end of what you would consider a normal sized game. El Alamein is much much smaller, and only gets new player acclimated to scooting a tank around the table and shooting.

>>55043042
Well, you're not wrong.

I don't fully understand El Alamein or Hammerfall either, other than to say they wanted a small affordable X-Wing-like starter set.

Now granted, that doesn't get you nearly as far in FoW or TY as that gets you with X-Wing, but that's probably what they were going for. A small affordable buy-in that shows off the basic game mechanics.

As for a larger starter, I feel that as long as you know what army you want to play, their current army boxes are pretty decent. I still use everything that I've gotten in the various US, Soviet, and West German starter boxes I've purchased for Team Yankee.

The closest Open Fire equivalent I can think of, would simply be to have both players buy a one-army starter box.

Although that wouldn't be anywhere near as affordable as Open Fire.

Open Fire was an absolute *steal* for the amount of minis, tokens, cardboard terrain, and dice that you got in that box.

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>>55044074
Open fire was such a superb way of getting into V3.
Sadly this wasn't enough for the people in my area.
But i have people who want to try team yankee before they buy into it and i kill for a team yankee open fire

>>55045796
>>55044074
Really this is where Games Workshop is getting it right. They've got three separate starter boxes out, a small one that's just one squad each of Chaos and Imperials, one that's an additional two squads for Imperials and an Officer, a Vehicle and a squad for Chaos. Then there's the big ass Dark Imperium Box that has basically the core of two separate armies, like Open Fire.

Really if Battlefront was going to copy Geedubs, this is where they should copy them.
Hammerfall is fine as it is, then slap us up with, 'Sickle Stroke' Which builds two Platoons each and maybe some artillery. Then bring us a full Team Yankee box that is basically Open Fire but TY.

>>55034992
PSC should do a Bradley kit.

>>55037062
Everyone knew it was coming, anon. It's the same as ever.

>>55046368
It's a nice idea.

I doubt they ever commit to that many levels of starter sets, but it's a nice idea.

>>55046368
That is something that suprised me about GW when the other day i was looking at the store.

i really like how they make 3 "tiers" for their starters for both W40k and Sigmar, how they treat them as mini boardgames. I hate to admit it but i ended buying the small one of Sigmar and is really useful to as gifts or to make demos.

I would love El Alamein and Hammerfall if they were the cheaper version of an actual starter so i could treat it as a mini-boardgame to play with my no wargamers friends to take interest in the actual game.

>>55049373
It's certainly an idea, and kinda what they tried to do with TANKS, but that game never really took off.

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Building Beobachtungspanzer M-113

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Meme corps bmp

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>>55052734
Painted in NATO tricolor

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Played against the DDR with my PanzerAufklarungs unit, and it was fun. Dealing with massive Zerg forces was exhausting though. Opponent had 20 tanks all broken into minimum sized platoons, 13 BMPs with associated infantry broken up into 2 groups, Shilkas, 4 Hinds with infantry, and 4 frogfoots. I had 7 Leo 1s, 3 Leo 2s, 4 Gepards with redeyes, 8 luchs, and 2 Fuchs aufklarungs teams.

Got a bad roll on the mission table with breakthrough. I positioned myself so that my opponent would have to come around the flank delaying most of his assault. Killed 9 platoons, but one of his T-72Ms on the objective survived 4 Leopard 1 shots to the face and 4 Gepard shots to the flank. The rest of his forces overwhelmed me after that turn bought them the time they needed to move in.

How do you deal with the East German Zerg rush? I have no idea how you'd roll all the required dice in a 2 hour tournament scenario.

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>>55055087
I mean this with air and 2 additional units in reserve not pictured. This is at 80 points.

>>55055087
>>55055115
Game is perfectly balanced
Cheers

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/NVA/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia63Ca7b4AA

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>>55055087
Honestly, a lot of it comes down to positioning and concealment.

As long as you can hit him, but he can't easily hit you back, you should be able to take decent chunks of his army out each turn.

But yeah, it's a Zerg Rush.

>>55052734
>>55054722
Nicely done.

>>55044074
To be fair, IMO the small starter content with 3 vs 2 tanks is perfect for teaching basic mechanics.
From that point, you can get 2 of the army box starters for the same cost as a Dark Imperium set but with actual choice for factions (once enough factions are out).

It's a practical setup.

>>55059292
I agree. Hammerfall is not about selling a bunch of minis for cheap. It's a low cost impulse buy type item for prospective players to dip their little toe into TY with the most minimal investment possible.

>>55059625
Yup.

Most of my FoW V4 demos have been with El Alamein or equivalent forces.

In fact, I'd also made equivalent US and Soviet forces with homebrew stat cards.
Lee with long 75mm and 2 M5 Stuarts for the US (Confident Trained) and a T-34/76 and 2 T-70s (Fearless Trained, H&C) for the Soviets.

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R8 my weathering

>>55062946
Was the tank in a salt flat where a sand storm stripped all the paint off, then buried all but the turret, which rusted off due to the salinity and a rare spell of humidity?

>>55063027
They're making a tank sandcastle and using a log for the barrel, come on man.

>>55063565
Sandcastle? It looked more like a snow-fort to me.

>>55062946
I bet Rommel did this

>>55063583
Those look like afrikakorp uniforms (or PSC spare figures painted to look like afrikakorps), so I assumed sand.

>>55063583
>>55063622
That's some dirty sand if it's a snow-fort.

>>55062946
I love this. The man standing on it is rather brave though.

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So these are some of my obsolete teams by V4. Instead of whining about it I'm going to retool them.
>observer teams with rifles makes good sniper teams
>staff team rebased on large base to make an objective
>Arty cmnd as a HQ team
What do you think? I'd love some more ideas.

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WAR

HOOOH

WHAT IS IT GOOOOD FOR

>>55062946
Looks great

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>>55065535
nice. i like the optimism. and, it shows your creativity.

>>55052734
awesome! see my pic related, i hope you do a better job than i did!

>>55046368
well spoken.
seconded.
fuck the 5-tank micro-starters!

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>>55037062
>mfw mudmen plastic

>>55038041
i am fucking stoked for that objective

>>55066431
wow that conversion's awesome

I want to make a Canadian army in team yankee. I know there's options for canadian models out there, should I just use American unit cards? or is there going to be official canadians from BF eventually

>>55066728
There are some unofficial leaf rules floating around.

>>55066728
There are unofficial unit cards that have popped up here and there across the internet, but there's nothing official yet.

If you want to go mostly official, a West German list from the Panzertruppen booklet can get you pretty close.

The infantry is mounted in US M113s, and their MBT is the a slight variation on the German Leopard 1.

>>55066993
Wow i didn't even bother to look up what they actually used, I had just assumed there wasn't BF models of them. Thanks!

I'm thinking of a "defense of Alaska from the Soviets" styled Canadian force, with snow camo and US allied support. Does that make any sense?

>>55067168
I don't know enough about the US and Canadian militaries and any potential cooperation between the two to have any idea if that makes any sense.

Although it certainly sounds very cool.

>>55067342
All I know is that canada and the us has very close cooperation between their militaries.

>>55066403
ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN

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Can anyone recommend some good documentaries about the Cold War?

I'll take regular filmn too if they depict the era without too much movie bullshit

>>55069410
Deutschland 83 is a pretty good drama about East German Spies, it's in Subtitled German. There's a great scene where the spy is presented with a Floppy Disc "The report is on a plastic, square thing."

>>55067844
YEA
WHAT IS IT GOOOD FO

>>55069410
Literally "The Cold War" from 1998

>>55069665
sweet Ill check it out

>>55067342
Well, for one thing, NORAD is a joint US-Canadian project, even if it's mostly controlled by the US.

it is Saturday morning

who is amassing armies for war?

>>55073413
I'm probably going to be spending most of the day editing Panzerfunk.

I'm currently at 100% on Acts 1 & 2, and about 20% into Act 3. With some work I could be finished tonight or tomorrow.

>>55073413
Saturday evening, so watching some virtual divegrass and working on a roster poll.

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Haven't played FoW since 3rd edition like 6 years ago, I was only about 15 but it was some of the best experiences I've had in tabletop gaming.

Is it worth getting back into FoW 4th edition? I'm looking to remake my SS pgren company, where do I start?

>>55073887
>Is it worth getting back into FoW 4th edition?
That answer is going to vary wildly depending on who you ask and what time period you're looking at.

>I'm looking to remake my SS pgren company, where do I start?
Late War SS panzergrens? The current lists for them are in Grey Wolf and Ardennes Offensive. Early war I don't know, and if you're looking at mid war you're out of luck, we just have generic panzers at the moment.

>>55074001
Yeah just Late War SS Pgrens last time I had a 12.SS from Cobra.. Man those days were comfy af

>>55074040
Those are probably in Atlantik Wall now. The various smaller books with two sides got compressed into large single-side hardbacks. The big ones for Germany are Atlantik Wall (D-day and followup), Bridge by Bridge (Market Garden), Ardennes Offensive (self explanatory), Fortress Italy (Italian Front), and Grey Wolf (Eastern Front). There's also four books that haven't been compressed into a big book yet, generally dealing with forces in the final desperate months of the war: Desperate Measures (eastern front '45), Berlin (obvious), Nachtjager (supposed to be all northern germany vs brits, but the NV equipment was only confirmed in use on the eastern front), and Bridge at Remagen (last attempts to stop the US). There's some reports that Battlefront is going to make one last big compilation of those small books, with the same pointing and stats as all the other large books instead of making it the only LW book pointed and statted for V4 (so that it doesn't add its own imbalance factors to the existing edition conversion ones)

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>>55073887
don't be too dismayed
V4 is literally just patch rules for the EW/LW books, so, expect some wonk.

it helps to have some kind of 'army sheet' written down, so you can see the stats with the adjustments naturally in place.

i made this.

>>55074281
Oooh. Nice template. I'll have to fill a few of those out for the units I use on a regular basis.

>>55039191
HOME DEPOT
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>>55076197
Why is this a meme now?

Just because some idiot with a poor grasp on economics spouted nonsense on the official forums, that doesn't automatically make it funny.

>>55077687
It was wwpd. And it's as meme worthy as Nachtjager (translator's note: Nachtjager means Night Hunter) is/was.

>>55077865
why is that a meme?

>>55078465
Because we found it stupid and hilarious? Especially with how much BF repeated it when Nachtjäger (means Night Hunter) launched.

>>55078465
Because pretty much every piece of advertising for Nachtjager included something along the lines of "Translator's Note: Nachtjager means Night Hunter".

It became a bit of a "We know this already! We're not idiots!"

>>55078544
>>55078551
Yeah, wow, that's a real knee-slapper.

>>55077865
Anyone got a screen cap of the original Home Depot post?

>>55073413
Just bought 2 boxes of Yuri's Wolves and some bmps. To war, comrades

>>55079115
>Yuri's Wolves

I want to get myself a copy or two as well. T-64s seem really good to me.

Sino-Soviet war when? Everyone talks about Warsaw Pact vs. NATO but forgets that the Chinese probably would have invaded the USSR if that broke out. China and NATO were semi-allies during the 80s.

>>55079099
You can read through the epic drama of stupidity here.

http://forum.wwpd.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=20691&start=25

>>55080574
the models are awesome! I only owned Flames of war stuff before this, it's insane how much bigger the tanks are

>>55080647
I second this. Stoked to see China and glorious North Korea.

Also as another poster above said, a Soviet invasion of Alaska would be an awesome campaign. Snow camo is my favorite

>>55081173
I don't just mean the models, although they do look great.

I'm also talking about their in-game stats.

Including the gun-launched anti-tank missile upgrade.

>>55081237
that too. they're absolute monsters in-game, not like the sickly t72 (although there's something to be said in swarming your enemy with lots of cheap, weaker tanks) I prefer the "elite" style armies with fewer, more powerful fighting vehicles

That said, anyone have opinions on BPM1 vs BMP2? i find it hard to choose one over the other, especially with artillery being what it is currently

>>55081376
BMP-2 is vastly superior if you are looking for an anti vehicle capability. BMP-1 is useful for cheap platoons to use as a small flanking force.

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>>55081376
>buy bmp company
>build bmp-2
>use bmp-1 turrets for toyota SPGs

>>55080811
>http://forum.wwpd.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=20691&start=25
what the fuck is going on in that thread holy shit

>>55081784
Holy fuck that's awesome. Might have to make some mujahideens with that technique

>>55081993
Any idea where to get 1/100 scale pick up trucks relatively cheap?

>>55082989
Peter Pig and Old Glory both spring to mind. Might not be the cheapest though.

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Who EW Soviets in here?

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>>55086188
Ayyy

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Cheeseburger tears?

>Cheers

>>55088700
He's not entirely wrong.

Salty as fuck, but with some legitimate complaints.

>>55088729
Yeah, I can see american players feeling left out after the Britbong and WGer lists had so many toys. But they have a heap of good shit coming so there's no need to get so salty.

>>55088770
Perhaps he's unaware?

Either way, the lack of abundant AA, the expensive ground attack aircraft, and the lack of a good way to counter spam lists are all legitimate concerns about the Americans in Team Yankee.

>>55088729
He's just straight up whining. Only legitimate complaint is the lack of AA, which will sound be addressed.

>The IFV already gives the Americans TOWs out the ass, and the HMMV and LAV will only increase it.

>The M113 has better armor than the BMP, and has a perfectly servicible .50 cal. For 6 points you get 4 MG teams, 3 Dragons (which aren't great, but can at least kill light stuff) and 4 APCs. The Dragons and M113s can be used as makeshift AA.

>The M1 may struggle in blue on blue, but it's significantly more affordable than the Leopard 2 and has 2 AA MGs, helping somewhat against enemy air and making it a superior vehicle against infantry. He makes no mention of the superior tactical movement, skill, or the to hit rating.

>4 A-10s are 20 points which is expensive, but they are the most survivable air in the game and the range on the Maverick is really nice.

I know the wait for an update has been a long one, but soon they will be the biggest and best faction. No need to cry.

>>55086188
I'd love to but I'm not wealthy enough

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>>55075603
i need to improve the template...it prints like shit.

>>55077865
>>55078544
>>55078551
you do know....
Nachtjager means Nighthunter!

>>55080647
>>55081204
Sir, please. Muh Penniss can only get so erect.
>i'd play chinese in half a second. i'd name all my unit leaders after R3K characters, and ahistorically have CaoCao in my command tank.

>>55081376
BMP-1 will actually travel farther

>>55088700
his last few sentences about their site are overstated. NZ internet needs to run off older protocols so it will load faster, and they do update every thursday, even if the update is shite.

i need to stop posting. when i post, threads slowly die.
*sadness*

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>>55034992
>LAVs
Yes

>>55077687
>Just because some idiot with a poor grasp on economics spouted nonsense on the official forums
he came on here too

>>55091216
>that hobbit dared set foot in our Mordor
cool. was he the guy bitching about PSC?
we like PSC.

>>55091200
i know. it's great, isn't it!

>>55088700
Yet the Russian need far more the update since they are supposed to fight against 3 factions alone before the East Germany book.

>>55092513
we really need news on Poles, Czechs, and WARSAW pact nations....we need their books, and anything else they've got.

>most likely their ratings would set them apart...what ratings would we expect?

>>55092713
>Pact
>being hit on anything other than 3+
Haha, nice one
Cheers.

>>55092713
>>55093330
Yeah I mean the only thing they could really do is add some Czechnology or make things spammier for the Poles or Romanians with worse ratings.

>>55092713
>what ratings would we expect?
we might get 5+ courage 3+ skill poles, 4+ everything czechs. Such difference.

>>55092713
BF has backed themselves into a corner. Top-tier Soviet units are 3+/5+, so the vast majority of the Pact should be 2+. At the same time these """"top-tier"""" units are so fucking spammy that nobody plays even 100 pts and a BTR army can have trouble fitting in a deployment zone. Again, that's how BF has made the very best Soviet forces. I predict there will never be a Poland and co included in the game because they've already pushed the system to the breaking point with spam, and minor Pact would be twice as spammy. TY's Pact has no design space left.

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>>55094633
30 tanks, 21 points worthy. You still have 79 points space left. And they are best trained troops in Pact.

>>55094949
"Miho...why?"

>>55095151
ok, now i know you are shitting me

>16, 16, 16, 1
to make it a real force, add 1 HQ tank and sail into a 50 pt. game with a real assbeater.

>>55095965
Platoons of 3 comrade. Basically a way to ensure a 4-3 or a 3-4 finish.

>>55092713
At this point, no thanks. You know why? because they would be even more spammer than East Germany, the nation that is supposed to be the Finnishs of TY

>>55088700
>waaaaaaahhh soviets got afghansty
>afghantsy which uses red infantry figures all the same, also no VDV kit in the slightest
>US update is nothing but miles of plastic
>complaining the m113 is garbage, when surprise, it is
>can't pen leo2s
Salty and unjustified af

>>55094949
I should not be laughing so hard at that...

>>55095151
>>55095965
>same number of the same tank
>wildly different points cost

Was it Cheers or?

>>55097606
It's because of how TY/V4 handles morale. Drop below 2 active tanks, take a morale check. So a blob of 9 needs to lose 8 tanks to start worrying, while three platoons of 3 only need to lose 6 (two each).

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>>55096533
.....oh, fuck.

>>55095151
>>55096533

what if we did max tanks?
3 platoons of 7 + HQ is 31pts.
3 companies is 93pts
7 pts for some random shit, +66 Tanks.

or,
- O R -
if you really wanted to spam: with your 21pts spent, you now fill up the 3 other BMP and the other 3 BTR infantry company slots on the chart, and then go to support....
>i bring a division at 100pts....

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>>55097988
>>55096533
Did someone say Spam?

>100pts
>39 T-55s
>17 BMP-1s
>12 SA-9 Gaskins
>39 BTR-60s
>66 Infantry Teams
>With room for 3 Spandrels

Would you play it?

>>55098576
>3 tank platoons

No way. In my opinion it's okay to have one or two small units to help with reserves, but once you start putting everything into it, you lose your ability to win a decisive battle. Your opponent can and will destroy enough of the 3 tank platoons to force a 4-3 at best. Why strive for mediocrity?

It's honestly a bit cheesy if you don't factor in points (like the firestorm campaign). It just lets you bring so much junk at a discount. And with T-55s, you aren't hurting that much if one decides to run away (there won't often be more than 1 survivor).

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Finished 4 WG tornados

So ZSU M17 MGMC's quad .50 cal gun has moving ROF of 3 and can be affected by Hen and chicks?

>>55101030
Very sharp paint job. I just wish the academy kit came with some kind of bomb.

>>55101030

They look nice, but aren't those the air defence variant and not the (TY-appropriate) ground attack version?

>>55101045
Looking at Desperate Measures it is moving RoF of 4. Sadly the letter of the law would imply that they do suffer from Hen and Chicks, as they are a tank team and the quad 50 cal is listed as gun and not MG. So moving M17s will have RoF4 with +1 needed to hit, while static M17s will be RoF6 with no penalty to hit.

>>55101030
Very nicely done.

>>55094949
LOL

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I finally had a chance to build some PSC T-55s.

It's a good kit overall, but there are some difficult to place pieces, such as the fuel drums, the unditching log, and the smoke launchers.

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>>55108541
A nice looking kit.
>deploying_soviet_tanks.jpg

>>55108704
>4+CrossCheck.jpg

Soup guise.
Played a demo last week, Team Yankee seems pretty fun.
How much am I looking at cash-wise for a multipurpose force of 'standard' size?

Probably leaning Soviet, if it's relevant.

Cheers.

>>55109427
To be honest you are probably looking at least $300 US unless you go really heavy on T-64s. Team Yankee is an expensive game, especially for WarPac due to cheap support and spammy infantry/apc's. East Germans need more models than Soviets.

I think I spent $400+ US on my West German force but it was mostly in resin and metal. Just keep in mind that there are cheap options for your air. The academy frogfoot is good as is the Revell Hind.

>>55109427
>malifaux general
>wants to play sovs
>cheers
I smell a troll...
j/k you need a lot of stuff if you're playing soviets. The army box Yuri's wolves is a start.

>>55109570
Ah fuck, woops.
Though I didn't know manners were such a problem.

$300-400 is a hell of a lot more than expected though.

The demo game was three squadrons of tanks and two stationary guns - how far below a full game is that?

>>55109569
>>55109570
>>55109654
So Yuri's Wolves is $50ish.
Am I looking at two or more of these and a couple of extra boxes?

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>>55109654
Cheers is a meme here, not to worry.
Soviets are expensive but this game is pretty cheap if you go NATO, forego spam and stay away from resin.
My west germans cost me around 160-190 euro

>>55109714
A good starter for core units would be 2 Yuri's Wolves, a BMP Box, and a motor rifle company would be around $200 and give you a around 69 points of stuff. The plastic infantry will save you about $10, but they got delayed until November because lol Battlefront.

>>55109730
>Cheers is a meme here, not to worry.
Well shit, maybe I should commit and play Brits then.

>>55109931
And from there I'd probably buy a single T-64 Sprue, some Zvezda Shilkas, and more BMPs (for a larger motor rifle force or scouts) or Zvezda 2s1 Carnations or Revell 1:100 Hinds.

>>55109935
They have the same number of plastic vehicle kits with one book that the soviets got with 2 releases.

>>55109654
>Ah fuck, woops.
>Though I didn't know manners were such a problem.

It's more that "Cheers" is a bit of a meme in the Flames of War and Team Yankee community.

The lead game designer ends all of his forum posts, especially the condescending 'this is why I'm right and you're wrong' kind of forum posts with "Cheers".

>>55110033
Sore spot, perchance?

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>>55110072
N-no... why would you think that?

>>55110062
The thing is that Phil ends all of his posts with "Cheers" no matter if he's being condescending or not.

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>>55111529
Phil makes non-condescending posts?

>>55110108
Why is that Russian tanker holding a comically oversized cartoon caveman club?

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>>55098576
>mfw seeing that deployment zone

>>55113402
It's a photoshop. Look at the end of the club.

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>>55111629
You be the judge

>>55113892
He's definitely throwing some shade at Romania in that post.

I've worked with some guys from Romania.

Alexandru and Stefan are some of the best MacGuyver-level improvised engineers I know.

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A WG mortar platoon and OP

>>55116688
Looking sharp, anon. It's making me salty that the Soviets aren't allowed to have their portable mortars as well though.

>>55116897
yeah what's the deal with that? Phil just a dick or will we see them eventually

>>55031713
>using the chinese edit of that photo

Tip, did you know that that ended up doing nothing at all, and that man is either dead or rotting in a chinese prison?

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>>55117474
I've always preferred this version - he didn't stand in front of four tanks, he stood in front of 20.
There's also no proof of anything happening to tank man, good or bad.

>>55117430
There's no record of Soviet agents using mortars in our documentary records of Red Dawn, Rocky & Bullwinkle and Red Alert 2.

Cheers.

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>>55116688
Very nice!

Excellent work on the observer. That conversion is amazing!

>>55118306
In that case, I want my Apocalypse tanks, Tesla tanks, and Kirov airships.

>>55117474
It's just a zoomed in photo, but hey anything to complain about the op image, right?

>>55118292
I am surprised they didn't just run him over. I guess they got enough bad press for shooting like 2,000 people the day before. There are videos out where fellow protestors go grab him and take off with him before anything happens.

>>55118621
You joke, but I honestly would play a Red Alert or Tiberium Universe tabletop game.

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>>55120904

>>55120904
>>55120970
Who said I was joking?

Yo anons, a good starting (50 points) and money saving warsaw pact army?. I love west germans too, but iam a fucking communist pig here..

>>55121058
Yuri's Wolves
2 BMP boxes
Extra BMP sprue
Company box of infantry

You will can run a BMP batalon with a medium and small BMP company, T-64s in support. You'll need to proxy the gremlin team you get as a rifle team because Battlefront fucks you over by giving you 10 AK stands instead of 11.

>>55121668
It's still like $200 dollars... but what I listed here >>55109931 gives you a few more points for your money.

thx!!!

>>55121668
>>55121715
Different anon, I just bought Yuris Wolves and a box of T64s (already have infantry and BMPs are in the mail)

Is there any point in taking T72s over the T64 other than to spam an opponent to death? Or is having more fighting vehicles better (I guess it's more to shoot through)

Also, is it worth buying a bunch of Hinds? All the warsaw players I know don't bring them in matches at the LGS and they don't seem to preform that well in batreps i've watched (although theyre a transport so undoubtedly good at redeploying troops across the board, and I love the model so I'll buy some regardless)

>>55120904
>>55118621
I was actually trying to whip up a home brew for it for a bit.
Forgot about it
also as much as i hate to say it
the tesla tank is shit.

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>>55122732
A bit of a glass cannon.

>>55122777
and a bit over costed and a bit slow to fire in RA1
in 2 it was trash i mean, slow and short ranged
>but it can fire over walls.

>>55122086
The only reason you'd want a T-72 at this point is to use it as a T-72M for Volksarmee. The soviet T-72 is overcosted. The T-64 gives you more for the points cost.

As far as Hinds. I'll let you make your own decisions, but in my experience if you bring air, you better bring a lot, so you can overwhelm the AA with numbers.

>>55122898
Roger, makes sense I think any hinds I buy will just be for the shelf for now

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>posessed helis when
Chaos always get their stuff after marines...

>>55117430
No gun teams in TY because it's a mobile game and all the tanks and APCs would outrun bulky and cumbersome guns.

Please ignore that mortars fit inside BMPs and that the soviets had mortar carriers too.

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Plz have the latest offering from the ty fb group.

>>55126671
It looks like someone sneezed yogurt on it.

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>>55126749
Not sure if this guy is serious or not.

>>55126817
Holy shit what the fuck. This is some advanced esoteric preshading technique, right? R-right?

>>55126817
I don't get it. Is he bitter that he got thrown out of art school? Is he retarded? Is he a child?

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>>55126872
>>55126865
I'm still not sure if troll or impaired...

>>55126956
>17 layers
Impaired.

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>>55126956

>>55126956
No punctuation, several misspellings, and yet "I" is capitalized every time.

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You know, we should all paint up some joke tank and see who can activate the most almonds.
Lets call it the grogtober challenge or something.
C'mon it'll be fun.

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>>55127897
>joke tank
So this dumb contraption?

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>>55127897
Let's make this a thing.

Dibs on the 37mm stug in dunkelgeau over dunkelgelb.

>>55117430
Just the usual NATOboo oversight.

>>55126582
Or the milan sitzkrieg.

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Episode 21 of Panzerfunk is now available!

Panzerfunk Episode 21: Communists and Capitalists

In this Episode the Funkmeisters discuss:

- Intro & Recent Hobby Activities (00:00 to 28:17)
- Red Thunder (29:05 to 1:07:41)
- Stripes Speculation (1:07:41 to 1:24:55)
- US Team Yankee Nationals (1:24:55 to 1:48:21)
- Fighting First Preview (1:49:06 to 2:27:46)
- Ask The Funkmeisters - Questions from YOU, our listening audience about our swearing habits, medium AT guns in 4th Edition, what books are needed to play the game, how we would have handled the 4th Edition roll-out, our reccomendations for battle reports, and what rules we like from 4th Edition as well as what rules we would have kept from Version 3. (2:27:46 to 2:58:37)

https://panzerfunk.podbean.com/e/panzerfunk-episode-21-communists-and-capitalists/

>>55129693
May I ask you how many M10s can be included in a TD formation?
I think TDs are better than any other American armor in most of case except in assault, especially with a command card makes them skill rating of 3+.
I am going to make a pre order few M10s with the book and card set, so I want to know how many things I would need.

>>55129796
Buggered if we knew at the time. Or now I guess. Probably more than few.

>>55127897
seriously?

i have some hard dibs possible

>>55129693
>https://panzerfunk.podbean.com/e/panzerfunk-episode-21-communists-and-capitalists/

>mein audio.
back to angry cylon sex, eh?
fuck, i though i had it fixed.

fuck.

>>55130156
I honestly thought it was better than it had been in the past.

*shrug*

Or maybe I'm just becoming numb to it at this point.

>>55129796
I think the answer is 8.

2 platoons of 4.

And the HQ are Stuarts.

I think WWPD revealed that since they actually have the advanced copy of the book given out to the BF-approved podcasts and blogs.

>>55127897
Oh shit I know what to do.
I'll paint a zvezda stürmtiger as an ultramarine vindicator.

>>55130849
nice. keep in mind we have Mk IV's and M113's as well.

>>55130849
oh god that would be glorious, people would get so mad on the forums

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>>55116688
Finished jaguar 1 platoon

>>55133522
nice work anon

>>55133522
Can you let us know how they do on the table? Honestly haven't heard much about the jaguars, but that's something I want to add to my force later on.

>>55133522
Looks great anon. You should cover the transfers with some matte varnish though.

does anyone else make sound effects when moving their models

i sure as hell don't no sir

>>55135419
My local group takes great care to play only with painted models. Correctly painted too, no historical inacurracy or proxies. We have beautiful terrain too. We sometimes argue about the terrain layout not from a gaming perspective but from a logical and realistic view. We even avoid unhistorical matchups.
And still we make fartsounds when pumas move, child giggles when infantry moves, tie fighter sounds when aircraft attack, pew pew, la cuccaracha, nya cat, every inapropriate sound imaginable.
I sometimes wonder what is wrong with us.
>and then realize we play with plastic soliders

>>55134755
I didn't used them yet, but I saw storms from Red Thunder have great efficiency. So I am expecting jaguars work well despite they are expensive twice than storms and their targets are cheap half than storm's.

>>55134643
Thank you.

>>55135133
I applied matt vanish after taking the picture. Thank you.

cyka bylat! post your favorite Fow/TY related memes, I need a good laugh lads

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>>55137898

>>55137988
holy shit
those poor sunburnt mudmen bastards never stood a chance

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>>55137898

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>>55137898
>how Soviets protected their tanks

I'm brand new and have decided I wanna play Afrika Korps tanks. I've bought a box of Panzer IIIs, Panzer IVs, and Tiger tanks.

I'm running 5 Panzer IIIs with 7.5cm guns (which will run as 1/4 or 2/3 hq/platoon) a single Tiger, and 3 Panzer IVs with the long 7.5cm guns.

Is this okay? Did I interpret rules correctly? I don't know if I need an HQ tank to issue orders or something, cause I'm reading the rulebook and haven't been able to get a game in (cause I'm still building).

>>55140750

That sounds legit to me - but beware putting too many points into fewer expensive units. Your 5cm Pz IIIs will be your affordable workhorses; the mantra of "boys before toys" is generally good advice.

>>55127989
For a moment i thought i was in the WoT or WT general.

>>55135667
Sound like a good place to play.

>>55135667
>>and then realize we play with plastic soliders

And that's the beauty of it. I'm sure even the podcast crew has expressed the same sentiments multiple times in the past.

You can take the game as seriously as you want to. Or not.

But at the end of the day, you're still just an overgrown kid playing games with his toy army men.

>>55141210
I could trade the Tiger for more panzers. It would just mean buying another box.

If I did, I'd double up on Panzer IVs and run 10 Long 7.5cm guns and go nuts. I was told I can't use Panzer IIIs after Mid War so I'm sketchy about investing too much into that venue, though I'd love to make a well represented Afrika Korps army, since the desert campaign was one of my favorite periods, aside from Barbarossa.

>>55141701

Panzer IIIs are rarer after Africa, but the HG division used them in Italy, and a few of the lists from Desperate Measures use them, representing things like tank training schools which suddenly found themselves on the front line.

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>>55137898
Nactjager (means night hunter)
What colour is feldgrau?
Fames of War
Veteran Soviets

>>55141728
Do i need an HQ tank to do orders like blitz or can any tank just do it?

>>55141851

Platoon leaders issue orders. But you need a formation HQ tank to have a valid force composition.

>>55141863
Yeah so what makes a platoon leader and how many orders can it issue?

>>55141781
>Fames of War

I will never live that down, will I?

>>55141434
>I'm sure even the podcast crew has expressed the same sentiments multiple times in the past.

In almost those exact words.

We're playing a game of toy soldiers. It's important not to lose sight of that fact as we're all going off on rants about which aspects of the game we do or do not like.

It's a game.

We play it with toy soldiers.

It's hardly the serious business that so many people like to treat it like it is.

>>55141701
In North Africa, Panzer IIIs are probably your most efficient purchase both in terms of points and in terms of stats.

Maybe field a few with the long 5cm, or with the long 5cm and the additional front armor, but even the standard armor and the short 5cm gun are pretty solid for Mid-War.

>>55141930
I was thinking that, cause I could run 7 IIIs and 4 IVs instead.

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>>55137898
>golden gaytime
>my tracks are moving on their own
Please someone post that pic, I still can't believe mods censorsd that thread.

>mg nests and tanks as described by sir Richard Attenborough
Plz post this if you saved.

I don't say this enough but, sometimes when we are done arguing about inane shit, you guys really shine with some prime wit making me laugh out loud.
from the bottom of my heart ( really mean it)
a pure, and unironic cheers

>>55142094
How would you do the setup?

HQ - PzIII
3x PzIII
3x PzIII
4x PzIV

I'd advise going up to 4 or 5 tanks per platoon if you can for the PzIIIs, but the set-up I posted above would be how I'd breakdown 7 PzIIIs and 4 PzIVs.

>>55145851
I just bought the 222/221 light scout, and a 10/4 AA platoon boxes as well.

I think I have a good basis for a well rounded list. I can play some games and fiddle with things.

>>55146427
Off the top of my head, I'd say it's a decent start.

Although I don't have a copy of Afrika Korps in front of me to look at.

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https://firestorm.warconsole.com/195715

>>55148596
Please tell me that there's a Bradley and it's every bit as shit as the actual vehicle

>BREAKING
http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=5739

Rules Changes for Early and Late:
>Soviets nerfed into the ground.
>Rockets and bombs un-nerfed
>Rocket Launchers nerfed
>Cannon Aircraft nerfed
>Discounts for units with removed teams.
>Hen and chicks somehow worse than ever.

>http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=5741

>New Generic Forces book in the vein of Fortress Europe updated to V4 standard.
>Italians this year,
>Desert War concluded next year with more Brits, Germans.
>Nam and Six Day war next year.
>Eastern Front middle of next year.
>New, less shitty Army deals soon.

End of the War compilation book de-confirmed.

>>55149810
How did you find this? it's unlisted and the date in JAN 1st 0000.

Also holy fuck now pretty much all soviets are hit on a 2+ now in addition to having less points than everyone else. At this point Phil may as well just make this a western front game because the soviets are fucked so hard by him. Is his mother a soviet rape baby or something?

>>55150087
Their date system on their site's been fucked for a while, and it was on the front page.

>>55149810
>quick the soviets are as good as the yanks used to be, nerf them into the ground.

>>55149810
>soviets nerfed
clockwork

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>>55149810
Phil: Oh man I gotta fix these gaps in my rules.

Other Phil: Let's just make all soviets hero or hit on 2+.

>>55149810
I'm so glad I quit playing this shitty game and started playing Battlegroup.

>>55149810
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>>55150087
>s his mother a soviet rape baby or something?
this is now canon in the battlefront lore

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TIME FOR CHEERS POSTING

does artillery suck as bad in Team Yankee as it seems? Im going to grab some mobile howitzers because they look badass but do they preform well? (soviet player if that makes any difference)

>>55151994
has anyone freehanded a CHEERS slogan onto a tank yet? that should be a thing

>>55152013
Acacia batteries are great because they have Krasnopol.

>>55152013
I'd get Acacias if you are only bringing one unit. I think artillery has a place. If you attack and can put your prerange marker down in a good spot then you can really do some good with them. Bring the OP, 5+ skill is rough.

>>55149810
You know Soviets got hit hard when even Facebook is in their favour.

>>55149988
The Wildcard box sounds interesting but for their sake I hope they are going to make the rules easy for existing players to get without buying the box. The players upset about no Dianas already have them and want to use them.

I'd like it if they put the Desert Rats book in the next British book even though it'll be more expensive. I don't want to carry one book for my Shermans and one for the rest of the army.

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I really wanted to play V3 in 2013 but my gamingclub was made of infinity fags so couldn't get anyone into it and now V4 looks like garbage

>>55152111
It isn't despite the fresh round of bitching. V4 is much better than V3. At least in my opinion.

>The Hen and Chicks rule becomes, Tank Units are hit on a roll of 2+ if they start the game with more than one Platoon
So HnC doesn't affect shooting anymore? Am I reading this right?

>>55152144
> worse assault rules
> Soviets looking to be nerfed again
> confused, messy balance
> uncertain degree of support for early and late war stuff
> slow release schedule for mid war, which currently eschews the Eastern Front

> IT'S JUST BITCHING GUYS!

>>55152173
Unless Patched soon, yeah. Soviets can now move and shoot, and if you play a company with only one tank platoon they're hit on their proper training.

>>55152178
I've like how simple the assault rules are even if the assaults aren't as lethal as they used to be.
However hamfisted Battlefront's attempts, they did just address some balance issues like that Rockets Launchers and Cannon Airplanes are too powerful, and just un-nerfed rocket and bomb planes.

Also they just announced that Eyeties are in November with plastics and a redone metal and resin range wht a confirmation that we're getting to Eastern Front by mid next year.

>>55152144
>>55152178
>publish Vietnam in the beginning of 2018 because everybody plays it, right?
>MW Eastern front pushed for middle of 2018 because nobody plays Soviets, right!

> IT'S JUST BITCHING GUYS!

>>55152249
>>55152178
Not all Bitching is bad, it's and I completely agree with some of it. There was probably a lot better ways to address the balance issues than by taking a metaphorical sledgehammer to the nuts of every last Soviet Late War player.

>>55152281
Agree, I like to make difference between Complaining and Bitching. Former is stating legitimate concerns or complaints, later is, well.. just bitching. The way they may be formulated sometimes (this is 4chan, desu) probably makes it hard to differentiate sometimes...

>>55149810
>not mentioning AT11 cannon aircraft
So Rudel is firing 3 AT 11 FP3+ shots, right?

Will V4 be Battlefront's 7th ed 40k?

>>55152431
translation for those of us who have long since stopped giving a shit about what geedubs does with their grimderp?

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>>55152441
Is V4 such a huge cock up they have to reboot the game with a whole new ruleset

Soviet player with opinions here.
I think most of the nerf was justified, rocket arty and stutmoviks were too good.
New HnC is actually a boost imo. Sure some specific builds become so bad that you just don't take them but ooh boy no more nerfed shooting! Like, a standard list of peredovoye otryad plays exactly as before with the exception that no tank is affected by +1 to hit when moving.
The conscript rating on inf is harsh though. But I'll play a game or two with it first before complaining.
And the transport nerf isn't hard enough but thanks for it anyways.

The moaning of grown men on the forum is a sobering sight though. Many get the rule changes wrong too.

>>55152441
7th edition was a tower of bricks ruleset with no deal depth but a colossal degree of complexity with dozens of army books, mini-dexes and expansions released in attempts to fix it.

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So do Phil and the FoW team know like, anything about the Soviet Union during WW2? Is there even a vague understanding of Soviet strategy or ability?

God damn I hate Wehraboos so fucking much for making it near impossible to find a wargame where the Soviets are depicted as a functioning force and not some Tyranid/Zerg horde.

>>55152501
Maybe it's a boost depending on how you play. I always felt the old Hen and Chicks was manageable. Put your tanks into a shooting position then next turn hold steady and fire. I always used 2 larger groups so I had to points of attack. I'd throw my reinforcements into the one that broke through. Now I think 2+ to hit is really going to suck. Especially against germans with stormtrooper and PAK40s. In those cases you have less chances to shoot them or they have a tough save and the 2+ to hit makes your tanks very vulnerable. I just feel that I have less control over how my tanks perform now. At least Heroes are still an option.

I am not happy about the changes, but I guess I 'll have to give them a try.

>>55152178
>>55152249
samefag harder

>>55152549
Phil thinks Soviets are drooling retards literally worse than Americans at Kasserine Pass. Seeing the garbo tier US units for Fighting First should have been a red flag.

Also in the design team, there's someone who babies some force or nation of almost everything. Except Soviets. The Romanians probably get more love despite being dirty gypsies.

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>>55152568
: ^ )

>>55152589
Thanks for the free (You) : ^ )

>>55152588
So Phil has no real knowledge of history and can be dismissed as a dumb Freedomboo.

Good to know.

>>55152501
>Sure some specific builds
Like guards anything.
>stutmoviks were too good.
They were massively over costed. That's why nobody ever took them.

You know,
Just for once I'd like to publish an Episode of Panzerfunk and have it be relevant and timely for more than two or three fucking days before Battlefront goes and does something newsworthy that we won't be commenting on until at least a month later...

I don't even have time to read the proposed rule changes. I'm literally headed to the airport for my vacation in less than half an hour.

Fuck.

I guess I'll add my $0.02 to this conversation after I get back on Monday night.

>>55152722
Panzerfunk and the quest for relevance.

>>55152687
>They were massively over costed. >That's why nobody ever took them.

You high? They were immortal gods of the skies, killing king tigers like it was nothing.

>>55152687
>overcosted IL-2
I hardly believe you played a game with/against Soviet.
IL2s are ineffective if its opponent fielded only infantry, but that is a case Soviet artillery like zis battery and katy loves.
If there are any tank units fielded IL2s will erase them immediately when they come.

>>55152732
Remember that.

It might make a decent title for the next episode.

>>55149810
>THIS IS NOT SET IN STONE. For the love of God, I'm just about at the end of my tether here. Play test the rules, post on the forum, let BATTLEFRONT know how annoyed you are with the updates! I'm off for the day. You won't find me on FB CHEERI-F***ING-O

>>55152737
They were ridiculous overcosted in v3

>>55152739
>If there are any tank units fielded IL2s will erase them immediately when they come.
They're expensive, unremarkable, and are overarmed.
>>55152737
This was never true. And they certainly weren't efficient.

>>55152796
Are you back pedaling or trolling? Are you aware of V4?

>>55149810
Welp looks like I have to finish that FOW replacement I was working on. Would posting the playtest rules here in roughly a month sound good to anyone?

>>55152840
Make a separate thread and link.

>>55152840
Yes, it'd be totally fine.

>>55149810
>>55149988
So I guess we meme'd on Phil so hard he embraced the CHEERS and turned it to 11 where even our parody CHEERS would have been better than this.

>>55151994
For some reason this picture always appears in my results when I am looking for T-55 photos.

>>55152501
I agree, especially for 3 team TD unit.
The most anticipated, not handicapped yet still cheap tank hunter units for Soviet players.
A huge boost for them.
Also ZSU M17s are now free from H&C, as this unis is designated as a platoon.
For infantry, just take a platoon is an answer. Following V4 reserve limit and allowance of multiple formations it's better taking many smaller unit than taking large infantry blob.
Taking many smaller infantry units affords better firepower by adding a HMG team to each unit, and I don't think 9 team strength infantry unit(a cmd, 7 R/MGs and a HMG) is unusable.
IL2 nurf is huge, they still can hurt big cats with their rocket. I would not call it effective, though.

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gonna need to add more cheers rules to this

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>>55153876
Don't talk to me or the list I run ever again.

>>55153990
You mean HERO cavalry?

>>55152404
Oh God you're right. Rudel got even more OP. Jesus fuck

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>>55153876
No HMG

>>55154107
My bad.

>>55153990
RAW, Soviet companies count as platoons, or was this changed?

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>>55153990
Let's be real here. Soviet cav started out as unplayable in V3 and it's only gotten worse since.

>V4 Morale rules pants on head retarded. Platoons fight to the last man regularly.

>Hmm Soviets have like 30 stands per company... nah that won't be an issue with morale.

>Instead of fixing morale rules or splitting up soviet platoons they make Soviets easier to kill.

>Now my red banner strelkovy are essentially overpriced conscripts with 4+ skill.

>And I only get to bring 85% of what I could before since my units (which were nerfed) magically cost more

>Won't get to have fun with Hen and Chick T-34 positioning. Have to switch to heroes or live with explodium coated tanks.

>None of this is even decided, so we are stuck in limbo for now. Who knows, maybe the changes won't stick, but if Phil can just throw out rules that fuck over the entirety of a nation's force overnight, then what's to say something similar won't happen again.

Feel bad man. I know I am bitching, but I woke up this morning to find that like half my Flames armies have been flipped upside down. I appreciate that Battlefront is willing to change V4 rules, but why can't the morale rule itself be changed instead of messing with one particularly army. I don't have much confidence for the Soviets in MW.

The new Hen and Chicks mechanic is quite a step back in regards to balance. For the simple reason that some Soviet units stopped being affected by it (All Conscripts) while Trained units that have it are hit hard, in MW there is simply no point in taking non-Conscript Hen and Chicks Soviet armour.

Though some who complain here should actually read the changes better. Not every Platoon counts for making Soviet late war Infantry suicidal.

>>55155815
>but why can't the morale rule itself be changed
Because they don't want to admit what everyone's saying: that V4/TY morale and command are completely goddamn retarded.