After many times suggesting my GM to make a historical Byzantine

I don't see the problem here.

>>55030463
>turks are on the doorstep
>everythings looks bad for byzantium
>PCs go down into a random catacomb or some shit
>they find dragon eggs left their by justintinen just in case shit like this happened
>rest of the campaign is dedicated to BTFOing turks and restoring the empire

>>55030524
Don't get me wrong it's cool but it just kills the purpose of a historical game.

Are you sure your GM isn't just secretly putting your group into the Drakengard/Nier setting? You know, with timeline events like...

858 - The Eastern Roman Empire is destroyed by dragons.

>>55030573
I mean, did you tell your DM what yoy wanted to do in byzantium?
Because if not he has full liberty to do whatever the fuck he wants as long as it isn' too non-sensical

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>>55030463
Better pic

>>55030630
Pls remove this porn

>>55030615
I've asked him to try to be historically accurate but I think he is trying to take a piss at me.

>>55030653
Can't handle aesthetic borders anon?

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>>55030653
nihil

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>>55030754
Treat this borders with the proper respect anon

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>>55030630
That's a nice Sicily and Naples you got there. Would be a shame if something... happened to them.

>>55030573
If you are so obsessed with doing it your way why not GM yourself?

>>55030809
Normans are the ultimate scumbags no wonder they are the ancestors of the eternal anglo

>>55030837

And actually doing shit? Like research and GMing? Gee, anon, you surely must be joking.

>>55030901
To be honest anon GMing isn't my forte.

>>55030929
>>55030929

Bullshit. Being good players IS being a good GMs, regarding disposition.

Just haul your ass that side of the screen.

>>55031049
>Being proactive and actually taking iniciative

You ask to much anon.

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What if instead of carrying around those little Draco banners they carried around actual dragons

>>55031111
Then we would be speaking greek and latin and the whole image of dragons in christianity would change.

>>55030463

>He puts dragons in the setting.

Sounds like he made it better.

>>55030929

Ah, so you'd rather bitch at other people to do stuff for you and then bitch some more when they do what they think is fun?

>>55030683

I think he's just trying to make a setting that his friend will enjoy and that he will also enjoy.

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>>55031275
Why would you put firebreathing creatures in a setting where the people have flamethrowers.

>>55031314

>fire breathing boats = dragons

>>55031275
>Burns muslim crops
>Takes the hills around the heathen city
>Defiles the mosques of Cilicia, Melitene and Crete
>Destroys the Normans in Cannae

Why isn't there a rpg style video game about them yet?

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>>55031314
It'd be cool seeing a dragon unaffected by fire earlier in the story and then it gets all cocky and takes its time to toy with a Byzantine soldier armed with a cheirosiphon before killing him, but it turns out that Greek fire's unique properties allow him to kill the dragon instead

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>>55031390
Tortor pic

>>55031403
*Forgot

>>55031396
Byzantines fighting dragon hoarding gold in order for the Empire to contract mercenaries for a great reconquest campaign

>>55031314
Those people have to have got the idea from somewhere...

>>55031769
Necessity is the mother of invention, as in "i need to burn this Camel jokeys ships that are trying to take my city" said Leo III.

>>55031971
But that's what catapults and ballistae are for, anon...

>>55031390
If Byzantines have dragons, then the Turks have Efreeti soldiers.

>>55030524
Fucking this. Roasting Turks with dragon fire sounds nice.

>>55032508
In fact, the Turks used cannon bombards in besieging Constantinople. In this time line, they're Efreeti fireball artillery.

>>55030463
> loves the setting so much he calls it by a bullshit academic name
It was the Roman Empire. No one was very calling it anything else.

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>>55030793
So beautiful.

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>>55030463
>Wishes he had dragons.

But seriously. Nothing wrong with historical fiction/fantasy. Have you tried, you know... Asking your GM about it? Maybe saying it wasn't quite what you were expecting?

>>55030463
>not wanting different dragon bloodlines supporting different potential emperors, different species supporting muslims, dragons being involved in the split between the caliphate, dragons stealing the pope, etc.

Its like you hate fun.

>>55033048
There are no dragons in Spain though

>>55033062
>Isolationist basque dragon killed sir roland

>>55030809
Could a cataphract beat a knight? Did they ever fight in history?

>>55032617
> Byzantines
> Roman

Please, they were greeks, they spoke greek not Latin. At most they adopted certain aspects of Roman Law.
More importantly, no true Romans would abandon Rome to the Barbarians.

>>55030463
Pure historical games are boring unless you enjoy dying for drinking water

>>55035536
Most Romans you know of didn't speak Latin

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>>55030463
>A cute, hungry, East-Roman dragon girl wants to eat Turks
Would your DM accept my PC?

>>55031111
>witnessed
This guy has a point.

>>55032617
>>55035536
>>55035577
"Is the Byzantine Empire Roman?" is the Theseus ship of historical arguments.

I want to play in this setting.

I want to play in an ERE fighting with and alongside dragons. I want to play in an ERE where one of the governors is himself a dragon scheming to get himself elevated to the Purple. I want to play in an ERE where the Athanatoi truly are without death, a horde of proud undead legionnaires who fight for the glory of Rome even beyond the pale.

I want to play in an ERE where the Muslims have Efreeti soldiers and flying carpets. I want to play in an ERE where the Germanic tribes have enlisted Knockers and all the other horrible dark things that live in the woods above them.

Fuck you. Fuck you for complaining about this. I get that you wanted a historical festival so you could shit in a trench and die on campaign or something but this is the kind of thing I wish my players could get their heads around, the kind of thing I wish any of the other GMs in my group were interested in. I wish any of my other GMs would run Ars Magica or something so I could do exactly this.

Fuck you for asking for gold, getting platinum, and complaining about it.

>>55032617
Look it's just shorter way to say Medieval Roman Empire.

>>55035929
Fucking writing a setting then faggot, i can't stop you.

>Byzantines
>Do nothing but crumble
>A constant downhill spiral
>Get fucked by Venitians and everyone else

>Ottomans
>Actually bothers to restore the glory of Rome
>Constant conquests
>Only reason why they are hated is because they don't worship the kikestick

sumuhuh, byzboos are pathetic

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>>55036921
What if you like both?

And have a grudging respect for Venetians for being masterful scumbags as well?

>>55036921
You forgot that they last half of the time of the Romans.
And ottomans do not deserve to be called heirs of Rome you steppe mohammedian.

>>55036948
Venetians are backstabbers and failures they get no sympathy from me.

>>55036997
So what? Made utterly nothing out of their position, pathetic """""empire""""".

HRE is probably a better succesor than them but Ottomans rightfully took the title and restored a decent bit, oh wait, for some reason Christianity matters

>>55031111
Seems heavy.

>>55036948
I see Venice is the foundation of the proud Italian army tradition.

>>55035536
>they spoke greek not Latin
As did everyone who was anyone in Rome.

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>>55036921
>>Actually bothers to restore the glory of Rome
>Implying Ottoshits had something in common with Rome and are not a bunch of arabized mutts

you have to go back, mehmet

>>55037021
They lasted 1000 and sometimes prospered even though they were set by enemies on all sites, that's accomplishement enough.

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>>55037054
>arabized mutts
You mean Muslim Greeks

>>55037054
>This
The turks claims on being Rome's are as ludicrous a setting where Byzantium had dragons.

>Some of you guys are alright. Don't go to game night tomorrow

>>55037089
Don't you know we defeated Emperor of Rum? It means we are Sultans of Rum and shit.

>>55037194
Truly the black supremacists claims seem small compared to nonsense spouted by the turks.

>>55036921
>Only reason why they are hated is because they don't worship the kikestick
Actually I can't think of a single reason to like Ottomans if you're not Turk. Like seriously, did Ottoman Empire make a single contribution to humanity as a whole or do anything good to be remembered? Except spreading Persian cuisine and creating basis for vampire fiction, of course.

>>55037293
Their tariffs on the trade with India was the reason Europe went colonnial.

>>55037293
They also helped to propagate black slavery and enslaved up to a million europeans with the barbary slave trade.

>>55031546
That actually sounds cool.
Cataphracti cooked alive while they charge the dragon, meanwhile the artillery crews are firing up the flame throwers and ballistas and drowning the dragon in greek fire and artillery missiles while the horse archers blot out the sun with volley after volley.

>>55037561
Why isn't there a thread on /qst/ already?

>>55035536
Being this retarded.
Do you also think that England ceased to be after the hundred years war because they lost their possessions in northern france and that there can be no Russia after the exstinction of the Rurik Dynasty?

>>55037602
With this kind of arguments I fear us might.

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>>55030463
>be me
>forever gm
>just finishing up epic campaign
>the autistic that guy hasnt shut up for 3 months about me spending a large portion of my time making him a historically autistic camapign
>say no at first because everyone is really enjoying this swords and sorecery camapign
>his autism only grows stronger with time
>eventually I give in because i cant take the autism and constant derailing
>tell him that ill do it
>"you better make it byzantine" he wheezes
>your wish is my comand
>monkeypaw.png
>"you find yourselves travelling through the sands, on a holy pilgrimage"
>"overhead you see something burst through the clouds, it slowly becomes clear, you see a large blue dragon wheeling through sky"
>over the hum of chatter an all deafening REEEEEEEEE is heard.
>the source of the reeing picks up his character sheet and takes his snacks and leaves
> and thats how i got rid of out groups that guy.

How was your day /tg/?

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>>55030463
I wouldn't mind dragons. Or son of dragon.

>>55030463
>He puts dragons in the setting
Hey, maybe you like Byzantine vampires more?

>>55032509
Roasting any muslim with any fire sounds nice

>>55037917
Can this dragon breath fire?

>>55030463
WHAT IF
Stay with me here
WHAT IF

What if the DM can do whatever the fuck he wants since it's his world and if you wanted a world you control you should have been the DM yourself?

>>55038035
Yes
and kebab too

>>55037917
>Wallachian fantasy setting with botar cavalry being mounted drakes and Vlad tepes a dragon rider.

Hmm maybe.

>>55030463
I think you mean dragoons

>>55037054
Ottobros were huge romanboos only topped by their persiabooness.

Their predecessors were the toppest romanboos tho. Even called their sultanate the roman one.

>>55037293
You named two already...

>>55035342
Depends western knights of the period were certainly lighter than cataphracts but better are won on the general ability to adapt to the circumstances.

>>55036997
They took over the ERE completely. That gave them a damn good claim.
Certainly a stronger one than Moscow got as "third rome".
And much stronger than the child molesters in Rome. Aside from the borgia time where they were competent.

>>55038273
I would like to hear some new ones which aren't my bad jokes about stolen kebab recipe and Vlad

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>>55030463
Nice slow collapse

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>>55030754
>>55030793

Move aside you tease

>>55037779
You forgot the part where i took a shit on the table.

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>>55038297
>royal marriage to Byzantine princess (organized by Pope, mind you)
>actually residing in and controlling Rome
>weaker claims to the legacy of Rome than conquering Asian land hundreds of kilometers away from Rome

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>>55030463
Neden kavga ediyorsun? Silly Romalılar

>>55038543
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>>55030463
>not liking fantastic history


You are a fucking faggot for hating a patrician taste setting.

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But anon, they already had dragons

>>55039041
LEGIO COMITATENSES

>>55038850
Every fucking game so far was tolkienesque it gets boring.

>>55038850
>fantastic history
>patrician taste
I'm not OP but fantastic history is pretty low tier. Of course it's not as bad as isekai or god forbid isekai alternative history.

>>55038387
Muh Dick

>>55039199
>When you realize that england conquered the world with the symbol of a eastern roman saint.

>>55038405
Constantinople was the nick name, officially it was always New Rome.
It was also where the Empire officially moved their capital, since it was a better location than the original Rome. Better sea access and closer to the volatile eastern border.
The eastern empire was thoroughly Roman, and after the collapse of the west there wasn't even a contest.

>>55039231
>When you realize Catholics and Protestants will force you in unholy threesome with two other saints and just call the result Jack like everything else

>>55039374
>officially it was always New Rome
New Rome is like New Coke, it's not the real deal.

>>55038387

>ireland

>roman

>>55039486
I think it's just represent areas of influence.

>>55039486
Yeah, and Colchia isn't. This map isn't very accurate.

>>55039441
Except that they stripped Rome of everything worth a damn and shipped it to New Rome, leaving the original an empty shell devoid of both art and infrastructure. The new city was qctually competantly designed from scratch to be better than the organic mess of the original, with water storage and waste disposal that actually worked.
New Rome was ten times the city the original was.

>>55039719
Rome is still Rome, Ahmed. It didn't go anywhere. Why didn't you take it if you were so great? By the way thank you for showing me who pushes that 'Byzantine Empire was Roman' idea.

>>55039719
Since you are probably from Turkey, can you help me with this >>55037293 please?

>>55039850
I'm British you damned yank.

>>55039985
that's what he said

>>55030809
FUCKING NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>55035703
Only if I can hug her.

>>55030463
>but now it'll be just like le game of thrones xD

>>55037044
No, the upper classes in Rome spoke and wrote letters in Latin, even the ones with some education in Greek.

>>55040166
That's actually what i fear, specially because the setting is during Irene reign
YAAAAAAS QUEEEEN SLAY

>>55039140
This if you wanna go fantasy go all out don't go and half-ass it.

>>55040062
>tfw no cute dragonloli to feed Turks to.

>>55040887
Why would you feed your dragon shit?

A setting like Shadowrun, where magic suddenly returns to Earth, but in the time of Byzantium?

Count me in, this is awesome.
Byzantium as a setting is awesome in itself.

When does OPs setting take place? The early years, when Byzantium was still very Roman and a great power oder the later years with lost power, treacherous Crusaders and overpowering Ottomans? These would be totally different campaigns.

>>55040940
>A setting like Shadowrun, where magic suddenly returns to Earth, but in the time of Byzantium?
Have you heard about Earthdawn?

>>55040940
It's during empress irene reign with charlemagne to the west.

I was thinking something more like Basill II and the end of the first ressurgence.

>>55040940
I made similar setting a few years ago. The Hagia Sophia was ground zero for magic returning, turns out it was built over a Cthuthonic portal (I wove in real life myths dating back to the founding of Byzantion). The Empire was wrecked (what with their capital suddenly turning into a necropolis of the damned), but everyone else was dealing with their own shit so invasions didn't happen.

Elves suddenly appear in the British Isles, and it turns out they're masters of manipulative bullshit.
Giants claw themselves out of Norwegian mountains, some go on rampages and othets set up their own neo-Norse kingdoms.
Orcs tumble out of portals and make a new Khanate, rampaging over the eastern steppes and causing the horse-lords to fight for their lives.
Pope suddenly has to decide if magic is godly and can be used to fight back or not. Catholic church splits as a result.
Etc etc.

I should finish writing it some day.

>>55035852
It really isn't. It's clearly the ERE, the state haven't changed, only the culture have and culture is by its very definition fluid.
Anyone who argues otherwise can't be taken seriously as it would mean that old countries can't exist. Being a roman had long ago seized to be about ethnicity and had become about culture, manifested in obtaining roman citizenship which at the time of the ERE was given to all roman subjects.

>>55041240
>Pope suddenly has to decide if magic is godly and can be used to fight back or not. Catholic church splits as a result.
Why not include the patriarch of Constantinople and to a lesser extent the other three in Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria?
Seems like it would make for obvious centers of new religious doctrine if the five (or four if the one in Constantinople died during the recurrence of Magic) patriarchs can't decide on a official united stance.

>>55030463
This just reminds me if how much I wish we could port warhammer assets to atilla total war.
I always wanted a total war game with fantasy elements more similar to age of mythology, with myth units being hard to get or use.

>>55042111
And would u mod the units to work with the time period.

Listening the New episode of history of Byzantium podcast while posting about the empire, maximum comfy

>>55041818
There actually was some of that. The Patriarch of Constantinople (in exile) focused on Healing magic, the other orthodox patriarchies had their own specialty. The Anti-pope was a generalist, all magic was allowed but was mediocre in most ways. The Bishop of Rome outlawed magic and specialised in negating it.

>>55042676
Neat!
Post more if you got it.

>>55035536
Did the Greeks ever give up their language during the Empire? I don't think so.

>adopted
You mean had Roman Laws and then changed them later as the times demanded it.

>abandon
By the time the Western Roman Empire fell, they had long abandoned Rome, and no one ever gets their knickers in a twist over whether or not the WRE was Roman or not.

>>55035536
Obvious bait is obvious. According to his own reasoning the WRE wasn't true romans either since they did abandon Rome to the barbarians on more than one occasion. In fact, if we were to stick with his own (lack of) reasoning it would follow that the ERE were more true roman than the WRE seeing as the ERE did reconquer Rome after the fall of the WRE.

>>55036921
Lets just conveniently forget that the Eastern roman empire lasted a 1000 years to the ottomans pathetic 400.

>>55041240
"Raiding the City of Death's Desire" sounds like a lovely adventure module into the damned necropolis of Constantinople.

What happened to the rest of the Empire?